game-update

[vivid ruin]

I bring those to toa but that loot isnt toa

[scarlet dawn]

nice money sink method, gz sir.

[brisk hill]

man will give away his secrets but not a bond

[prime vault]

Toss a 5er?

[restive storm]

Bro that is so brain rot have at it (I also spam hit people doing it in giga max)

[prime vault]

Lmaooo

[restive storm]

Hoarding gold for when they inevitably remove PvP as a whole and I can’t afford to play the game anymore

[limber creek]

i killed a clue scroller in december for oathplate and stuff LOL i can try to find the screenshot

[merry smelt]

Some people need to learn the hard way that the wilderness is a dangerous place

[vivid ruin]

If its someone in gear like that falling for a tp scam or something, they most likely bought that gear with credit card

[limber creek]

Just not for bots that 1t teleport under 30 wilderness.

Ik a good fix to that.

[ember grove]

I got almost killed doing a clue in rags a bit ago

the pker stopped, said "female?", and I laughed and he let me go

and I was at 2 hp, so I got killed by a chaos dwarf on the way to below the tele line, lost the clue, and started cackling

the wildy is hilarious

[vivid ruin]

I have a hard time believing anyone who plays female character is actually female lmao

I know a few are real but i know more dudes who do than females

[icy relic]

some people just don't have any sense of self preservation I guess

like all those irons who lost their cash stacks greeding for cannonballs on pvp worlds

[leaden vale]

@sullen parrotAsh its time to make a slash equivalent g maul weapon! 🙂

[covert cradle]

hopefully soon

[limber creek]

Wait we can just @ the mods like that. 😤

[restive siren]

he didnt even @ a mod

[vivid ruin]

Dont tell him, but thats not ash.

[restive siren]

but no, its encouraged to only do so while said mod is active in the chat

[winged mantle]

I feel like you could even tie the sarachnis instance to kourend hard diary

[hard axle]

AI Hallucination, but reddit with pkers

the spiderman glasses meme

[chrome lantern]

I haven’t read any of this channel up to this point but I’m glad they actually edited the body of the blog post this time for once

Instead of just an update at the top and the body not reflecting changes

[restive storm]

True, next is getting them to actually talk to us for a change

[fresh forge]

What do you think a blog post is exactly?

[round lintel]

First ever time i see this

[merry smelt]

I'm happy with their response to the latest concerns received feedback first thing after the weekend can't ask for much more

[ember token]

i actually talked with goblin about making this cheaper and he was like "well we cant make it too good so might as well not change it at all"

[analog crow]

Can't risk giving people a reason to play tb

[chrome lantern]

tbh I think it would be good to make it BIS med clues

[restive storm]

Them spitting a buncha their internal conversations at us

[chrome lantern]

Compared to getting implings yourself

Not compared to buying them on the ge

[restive storm]

We used to have it so good with the livestreams and then actually answering questions man 😭

[round lintel]

2-3 clues an hr doing tb doesnt sound bad to me

but 1 every 2-3 hrs is really bad

[chrome lantern]

Given how much they nerfed the xp it would be a really good niche to make the minigame popular but I would probably tweak it so that afk is a lot less rewarding

[ember token]

its not 1 every 2-3 hrs

[chrome lantern]

And active play is more rewarded

[ember token]

at the very best, with max rum made and full contribution, you can get 390 pieces of eight from one game iirc

and games are effectively 23 minutes

[analog crow]

that's terrible lmao

[ember token]

you are (in the best case scenario) getting 1 medium clue per like, 5-6 hours

[round lintel]

so thats 3500 every 3 hrs ye is bad

[analog crow]

reduce the price to 1/10

[chrome lantern]

Make it like 5x better reward points to play the minigame actively than afk meta, and make active trouble brewing bis med clue rates, sounds good to me

[round lintel]

i just got my first peg crystal ever on my iron so gotta send med clues again

[ember token]

its easier to get full contribution by just dumping 100 buckets of water than it is by actually playing normally, making rum

[round lintel]

i was looking into whats the best without doing eclectics

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that’s what I mean though

Just fundamentally change the contrib system

If you do 100 water you shouldn’t get max contrib

[ember token]

yeah

[analog crow]

If all you do is water but no rum is produced you shouldn't get any contrib at all imo

[chrome lantern]

Set filling water the entire game as the baseline for standard contrib and make actual active stuff worth more maybe

[ember token]

no and yes

[chrome lantern]

Just speculating

[ember token]

really not that much water is actually required

[chrome lantern]

Been a while since I played it but when I did I played actively

Unironically fun minigame

I am not expert enough to balance it though

In terms of relative reward

[round lintel]

ive only done the diary game

[chrome lantern]

But obviously some is needed and shouldn’t be punished for doing it or just nobody will fill water

Maybe just a cap at a relatively low team quantity

[round lintel]

then i remember people being hyped up about it being really good for free fletching and cooking xp

[ember token]

yeah that is true

[round lintel]

then it was nerfed

[chrome lantern]

Radical idea

You only get points if your resource is used in a processed rum

And make the rum production worth more

[analog crow]

Good idea

That's probably the only way to incentivize people actually play the minigame as intended.

[round lintel]

only kill them on task

20 nails is criminal

[analog crow]

That's hella profit for a slayer mob with no mechanics

[round lintel]

yeah im just an iron 🙁

i did make some profit on my main

i think back when they were 2.2m

[analog crow]

wowzers

on the plus side, are you really an iron if you don't go dry?

[round lintel]

but all the profit went to the drain with ship upgrades and cannonballs

[analog crow]

TIL in rs3 BA has a hard mode
Hello?? We need that in osrs!

[silk thicket]

Can we add the teleport change with these restrictions:

• if skulled and u die to pker
• and losing < some gp threshold
• only in singles
• potentially make the timer longer as u continue to return
  There’s no legitimate reason to endlessly return in Crystal Bow and snakeskin 👍

Why it doesn’t affect ironmen:

• pvmers risk their looting bags and will be over threshold
• most pvmers aren’t skulled
• pvmers aren’t instantly returning and don’t need to
• drop ur clue and it stays for an hour
• ppl bring a full rune pouch and 50m of tele scrolls anyway

[analog crow]

I'm sure they'll come back with a revised suggestion
Manked seemed to like the risk threshold idea

[restive storm]

Hopefully he’ll revise singles pj timer while he’s at it

[hard axle]

yeah, people were saying it from the start, but folks being able to run around in max with no risk of dying to singles teams is worse for pvmers

[brisk hill]

Unfortunately, Reddit will only feel “predator v prey” as long as the current system is in place

[limber creek]

You have your world 19 already. Give our other 300 worlds a chance at revitalizing first 🙁

[vivid ruin]

I second this

[restive storm]

Yeah definitely need to do something for all the worlds

[scarlet dawn]

Why do we need a risk treshold anyway and not just erase this whole idea.

As long as your clan is infested with spies you will get hit either way.

If u dont like rag wars, dont attend.

[vivid ruin]

He specifically said singles if im not mistaken. Not wars that generally take place in multi (sometimes gets dragged to singles but usually people who do that are risking at least 300k+)

[restive storm]

Ragging in singles isn’t even currently a problem tho so like why bother lol

[vivid ruin]

Thats also true lmfaooo

[scarlet dawn]

I read that yes and was pretty confused lols, so just ignored it

Oh but speaking about getting near singles, horrible mechanics when a person runs into single and nobody can hit it for a split second or 2

Then gets a gap etc.

[restive storm]

yeah... its all a disaster but mostly cuz just none of the jmods do the content so they have no idea the extent that things are broken

[scarlet dawn]

That stuff didnt happen prior to the time you could hit multi from singles while being hit in singles (who even wanted that?)

[scarlet dawn]

Idek if this was an intentional part of my previous message above or due to spaghetti code

[restive storm]

its mostly spaghetti code, up until like a few months ago you could run in multi, attack someone, run outta multi quickly and if some1 else was hitting that 1 person in multi and theey couldnt hit you back you could just log out

like it was just a mess lmao

[brisk hill]

https://imgur.com/RvygBJ6

Consult the clans

[limber creek]

voidwaker on no pj timer is end of wilderness for anyone not top dog. I think singles is okay w/ the amount of powercreep avail

tryna revive multi

[brisk hill]

While I do agree, hard to dispute the change in wilderness before & after

[restive storm]

this is not true at all? w19 functions with vls AND vw

like what are we sayin

[limber creek]

why aint the clans there then

we got no multi revs we do have a bh world

js

[restive storm]

this is a video from like 3 days ago

where else is that active lol

the only down side is with only 1 world youre forced to join a mega clan or not go at all

[brisk hill]

Yer

[restive storm]

also i may have it wrong but it aint like ppl are out there running around in torva/claw/vw and masori dbows etc

maybe all the torva sets are in the fall in :3

[limber creek]

hell yeah now imagine multi revs

[vivid ruin]

Youtubers always bring crowds

[limber creek]

with sparc mac

😤

[restive storm]

not to w304 they dont lmao

i hear them whine about it constantly

[limber creek]

i mean dont they? They were hopping chaos altar on release pretty heavily too lol.

[analog crow]

ofc youtubers draw crowds
their viewers hop on to be on the stream

[tacit wharf]

hasnt sparc's community done pk trips quite frequently for a streamers cc and for quite a long time on top of that?

[meager flame]

lmao im like

99% sure that scorpia unique was going to be overloads for the wild

and they probably suddenly became self aware enough to not mention it before it really got out there

[true talon]

These are the guys advocating for no pj timer

[restive storm]

yeah looks way more accessible to learn to pk in that gear than in like a 10-20m set where if you die the average person aint goin back out lol

[true talon]

Being falled in on by 100 people with weps that cant miss

looks like it would be a fun time

[restive storm]

how many of those guys there realistically look like they got a vw on them lol

[true talon]

dont matter there is people with void waker, vls, d bow ect

You could even start having people with burning claws or even the 250k arkan blade

would start putting insane pressure on someone with burns

[restive storm]

ok?

maybe someone would finally die in the wildy

instead of freeze logging

[true talon]

I just dont think its healthy to be allowing 100 people spec trade 1 person in risk even if its easier to escape if you dont

[limber creek]

tf just use a sub 1m set lmao

[restive storm]

yeah bro just kill some1 in a 1m set xD

[limber creek]

i do all the time

[restive storm]

not anyone that has any sort of gear on them

boners maybe

[limber creek]

if boners are all you can kill in a 1m set bro im sorry.

[restive storm]

i mean i dont pk in a 1m set i pk in like a 600-700m set

cuz 1m sets are jst a waste of time

[limber creek]

they blocked the word lmao

[restive storm]

?

[limber creek]

boneman

[restive storm]

ah

[tacit wharf]

still feel better having single's + removed back to how it use to be

[restive storm]

yeah def would be better w/o

singles plus just so zzz being forced to play alone

[tacit wharf]

i just think its too safe atm

in singles

for you to die, u have to just do something so incredibly dumb if yr actually in gear

[true talon]

They can fix wildy by removing brews

[tacit wharf]

which just makes people bring more and more risk, and creates a bigger and bigger gap for entry

[restive storm]

one of my friends just killed a guy for 150k at altar and he said first kill of the day after 4 hours

we need SOMETHIN lol

[tacit wharf]

i mean my chaos alter prayer, i believe i only died 3 or 4 times from 85-95

[restive storm]

he killed a little timmy pker in an air stick 🙁

wanna guess how much fun that guy had?

[tacit wharf]

but i also only ran 14 bones at a time and did during slow time of day

[restive storm]

oof god bless, i just did gilded cuz i cba

[tacit wharf]

and im pretty sure all my deaths were to lvl 90's

actually think i died more during zombie pirates for my anchoring scroll (425 keys)

[restive storm]

nothing like splashing 4 in a row in full virtus and treads on black dhide while a guy gaps me on the loop de loop 🙃

[tacit wharf]

nothing like being frozen time and time again in hides by a guy in mystics

[restive storm]

yeah sadly i was born in NA so i dont got the god rng

[restive storm]

even better yet being refrozen in hides, while theyre still in hides

[tacit wharf]

i miss mage prayer reducing binding spells

[restive storm]

i do not omg

itd be literally impossible to kill anyone

[tacit wharf]

also harder to escape though

[restive storm]

i mean not really at that point you'd just tank tbs

cuz theyd have to spend 85% of the time trying to freeze

[tacit wharf]

i mean isnt freeze step under basically 100% already though

[restive storm]

yeah i mean it might be a little harder to escape that particular way, but you could just tank the entire tb

if they gotta spend every 3rd hit entangling (and god knows thats gonna splash 80% of the time)

anyway bed time gn pvpcord

[tacit wharf]

also means u have to have mage prayer up when they freeze/tb, bit more skill expression

[restive storm]

Well currently rev tanks have it up 100% of the time and just afk brew

[silk thicket]

Disagree

Ya maybe not everybody gets ragged, but there are people that gear in Crystal Bow and snakeskin so they’re technically not in 1 item and rag me as soon as they see me

Dino was getting crystal bow ragged at altar recently

One of my boys was getting ragged at 304 recently and started NS returning to rag the ragger

Some ppl spec tab at altar

Bh raggers exist

Ppl have been ragging in 1 item hally or hally snakeskin at agility course for a year or more

It’s a problem but not everybody sees it

I legit watched a streamer who averages like 20 views or something get ragged at bh by snakeskin dbow for 8 straight hours to the point that ppl came to try stop the raggers and more raggers came

Then they view botted his stream to report it 👍

This stuff shouldn’t be allowed and if there’s no manual action being taken at least do something preventative

And while ya I understand “stamina” is a flex in the clan scene and some ppl enjoy return wars, it spills over into the rest of the game. But whatever idm if clans wanna war that way just stop the spillover

[restive storm]

those 304 streamer raggers are the kind of people who are just gonna have an alt to rag with... theyre freaks, but they should def get banned for that

[analog crow]

Give the clans a dedicated world to do their rag wars in that case

[limber creek]

asking to much tbh.

[analog crow]

There are three «wilderness pk» worlds. Just disable the timer on those
Gg ez no re

[restive storm]

the timer has 0 effect on rag wars in multi lol. or do you mean the stupid teleport timer that has literally no purpose

they gotta ditch that entirely

[analog crow]

Whatever timers you want

[restive storm]

i mean it doesnt rly work that way if every1 just goes to the safe worlds lol

[analog crow]

I thought you guys were looking for small team fights

[restive storm]

we are, but you need a food chain for that to work

[analog crow]

Not really
Just meet up and fight

[restive storm]

yeah not rly how that works

[analog crow]

Unlucky for you I guess

[restive storm]

which is why im tryina get them to integrity change it back

[analog crow]

I highly doubt your efforts will amount to anything

[restive storm]

would at least be able to say i tried to save the wildy, rather than leave it in the sorry state that its in rn 🙁

[analog crow]

If they haven’t spoken to you in 18 months as you claim, maybe it’s time to take the hint

[obsidian venture]

If there’s a way to implement the no rag after a fight… that’d be interesting

But there’s definitely some mixed opinions on it

Like under X risk

[restive storm]

if theyre willing to risk their game w/ sailing they gotta be willing to risk it with something else too

cuz that update was a blunder and a half

[analog crow]

Sailing launch has been a huge success even if you personally don’t like it.

Reinforcing the cat and mouse model will only make people sour and it will fail the poll every time. Like with wrathmaw.
So until jagex does something new, instead of the 10th revitalisation carrot on a stick, I don’t think you’ll get any meaningful updates.

They can try to do it unpolled, but like this multi timer, either the pker side or the pvmer side will make a big stink and it will get pulled probably

[limber creek]

sailing isn't even a thing. its salvaging. Salvaging the skill.

[analog crow]

Many people say this

[limber creek]

Woopdy doo and such lmao. I got 99 already so can we get multi revs and a 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness.

[analog crow]

No

[restive storm]

yeah sailing worst release theyve had in 5 years, also sailing... idk if i can help you if you still think IM the one pushing cat and mouse bro lol

[limber creek]

welp good chat thanks for considdering beast.

[restive storm]

got 99 twice and skill was an abomination... RIP 3 years of dev time that coulda been used for cool content

coulda just ported summoning w/ no BOB and it woulda been better

[analog crow]

I didn’t make any claim about your personal convictions but go off king ig

[restive storm]

im just saying its a categorical failure. 2 months out from release and they havent even STARTED to work on combat that they knew wasnt ready since the beta and still released it

port tasks have no rewards

skill just grossly underdeveloped

[limber creek]

im merching dragon cannon barrels. let them go to like 2mil each so i can stock up more

[restive storm]

they ignored literally all feedback from alpha/beta which was kinda hilarious

[analog crow]

As a launch it’s fine
If you choose to max before they flesh it out fully then sure you can do so

[limber creek]

I played the alpha and let me tell you. The only thing that changed was community driven plugins to make it more bearable lmao.

[restive storm]

when pitching it as "the biggest and best update rs has ever had" you cannot just let it flop like that lmao

[limber creek]

they released 1/4 of what the skill is supposed to be lol.

[restive storm]

its like 1/4-1/5th of the way developed

and bootlickers still try and say that the release was good lol

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, for initial content for a new skill I think it's okay

But definitely lackluster and a lot of filler content

[limber creek]

initial content for a new skill. is this rs3 lol

[bronze kernel]

I mean, half of it is filler

90% of the new islands have fuck all

[restive storm]

3 years of development for a raw 1/5th baked skill is a giant waste of dev time

just hope they cut off any future sailing dev at this point and get back to the real game

[bronze kernel]

Or just one and done islands

Isle of Bones. Rainbow End.

[analog crow]

You are coping as if your life was on the line

[bronze kernel]

You get fuck all from that

[restive storm]

i am but gotta ive been coping w/ jagex abiility to create good content for the better part of 4 years why stop now

[minor whale]

That's one of the dumbest things I've read

They did a shitload of engine work for sailing that directly was said by JMods to have made the rest of the game more stable and fixed the entire spaghetti mess that some of the systems were based on, while doing sailing

[limber creek]

remember hinting at boat pvp... i got it to 99 for that.

[bronze kernel]

Still think having requirements to dock at already existing areas was also pure filler content.

[minor whale]

They've already planned a shitload of future content for sailing which was received quite positively by everyone that hasn't hated on it since before it was even in the game lmao

[restive storm]

the reason they cancelled this is 1. they realized they dont know how to make pvp content, and 2. sailing combat is so bad they couldnt possibly make it work

[limber creek]

ive hated. ill continue to hate. and when they update it and i like it. Im still gonna hate.

[bronze kernel]

Pseudo-requirements like adamant keel for Priff I think is fine.

[limber creek]

mods wont chime into discussions but banned boneman word in 20 seconds.

[restive storm]

at least im done w/ it at this point, thank god they put the skip of salvaging back in so i dont gotta use their dogwater movement system

[analog crow]

Sounds like an exhausting way to live

[vivid ruin]

I bet when they tweak the combat and open up the waters north of wildy every one of you will be out there lol

[minor whale]

Sounds good but you're the exact same kind of person that you make fun of for hating the wilderness lmao

[bronze kernel]

But hard needing 70 Sailing to both dock there and to disembark if you're on another person's boat is a travesty

[limber creek]

someones gotta do it

[restive storm]

just get 70 sailing man

you dont even need to play the game

just put ur crewmates on and go live your life and skip it like the rest of us

[bronze kernel]

I have 91 Sailing

[restive storm]

almost halfway there

[bronze kernel]

I'm just saying the whole concept of docking at already existing areas seems cringe

[restive storm]

ehh whole skill is cringe tbh so not surprising

[bronze kernel]

I was also very disappointed they didn't let us disembark from anywhere

That was what killed most of the hype for me

[vivid ruin]

One could say 90% of half of every skill is filler. Fletching and con to name a few

Crafting

[restive storm]

i remember from the sailing disc, people were all talking about like getting together and training sailing and now nobody ever sails together cuz it just griefs each other

[vivid ruin]

Most people these days aim for afk content while they work their jobs or take care of their homes/kids

[limber creek]

i haven't been on my boat once since 99.

[analog crow]

The community feeling on launch day was insane

[bronze kernel]

To be fair, that's just content that isn't meta items or something that you'll quickly outgrow and all that. By filler, I mean straight up things there to pad the skill.

[limber creek]

i like how we wont make positive changes to pvp for fear of other things.
When the hop timer actively griefs me every single night i play.

[restive storm]

yeah its lame they made a skill for people that dont want to play the game

[limber creek]

Revert the dang hop timer if im in the wilderness skulled with risk lol.

[restive storm]

its the downfall ever since gemstone crab

every1 wants every skill to be 10min afk

[vivid ruin]

Im pretty sure once combat is tweaked people will be sailing more

[restive storm]

why would they?

[bronze kernel]

I could get wanting more AFK for skilling since it's not the most riveting content

[restive storm]

we already maxed and theres no sailing content at all lmao

[vivid ruin]

Especially when wildy and raids 4 release

[restive storm]

they aint gonna do wildy sailing man lol

they cant even update the regular wilderness, you want them to do it on water too?

[vivid ruin]

They will

[restive storm]

no shot, not within the next 5 years

[vivid ruin]

I think a lot of the current wildy speculation is purely opinion. I was out last night and seen tons of activity

[restive storm]

if by activity do you mean bots farming stuff?

[vivid ruin]

No lmfao

[restive storm]

cuz yeah theres a lotta that goin on

[vivid ruin]

I mean constantly being chased by clans

[restive storm]

in multi?

[vivid ruin]

Yes

[restive storm]

idk id have to refer you to the multi los ratas in here

[vivid ruin]

On a monday night

[restive storm]

i dont really do multi anymore, waste of my time

[vivid ruin]

[analog crow]

I’m also seeing more ppl lately where before I saw nobody

[restive storm]

only time i go to multi is solo vetion on the pure

[limber creek]

i chased people all night yes.

[analog crow]

Getting free teles to edge while clueing

[restive storm]

doing gods work 🫡

[bronze kernel]

Getting PK'd is now a rare thing

[restive storm]

its so rare to actually get pked in 2025/2026 lol

[limber creek]

Leave your private on and dm me your name. I can make it less rare.

[bronze kernel]

Last time I got PK'd was on my way to the Zombie Pirate chest

[restive storm]

honestly thats crazy business, which way did u even run

thats like mind blowing cuz that should be impossible

[limber creek]

I pked there last night actually for like 20 mins lol and got my logout timer got pissed and had to logoff

[brisk hill]

The guy who got smited once & wants to limit multi so 3 ppl can pile at a time is pushing for wildy sailor content

[limber creek]

the logout timer stopping me from pking is some BS.

[brisk hill]

Great.

[vivid ruin]

Only time i die is when its 2 v 20. Or people who actually know how to pk

[restive storm]

my favorite part is them thinking that they still wont get smited to 3 people

[brisk hill]

I’ve seen it!

[restive storm]

i saw a rev caver get smited for an ely in singles the other week

it was really hard to believe

[bronze kernel]

Right at the Burning Amulet TP and got TB'd by the druids. And it was like a clan of 10 peoplem

[restive storm]

if i hadnt seen it myself

[brisk hill]

Smited in singles 😔

[limber creek]

but y eah. Squinttz is a singler. Im a multier.
What other pkers we got in chat

[restive storm]

oh yeah thats pretty much the only way it can happen, i thought you like ran from lumberyard or something i was like how the hell

[bronze kernel]

I TP'd in and then got jumped after a few steps

[limber creek]

teal is multi clanner yes?

[brisk hill]

I’ve dabbled in both

But am main multi clanner ye

[limber creek]

i mean i can do either but i primarily multi. and okay

we need multi clanners that aren't gonna flame up the channel lol...

[brisk hill]

Gl

[bronze kernel]

(I'm like x5 dry for the teleport scroll too BTW)

[brisk hill]

I try to be polite but still found myself flaming that other guy literally 4 mins ago

[vivid ruin]

Lots of inbreds get to flame chatting

[brisk hill]

My bad @vivid ruin 👍

[restive storm]

total insanity

[limber creek]

it happens lmfao.

[limber creek]

crazy we can say that but not boneman

[restive storm]

they were mostly aight back iin the pvpcord, once in a while goblin told em to relac and they stopped

[brisk hill]

People are just passionate Ykwim

Really when ppl start egoing each other is when it gets weird

[restive storm]

yeah, passionate about a dead game 🙁

hurts when it gets ignored so badly

[limber creek]

but bro ignored? Holy moley slippers.

[restive storm]

holy MOLEY what an update

[limber creek]

LOL

[vivid ruin]

Ngl when i get into vc with some bigger clans its hilarious

[restive storm]

we''re so back

bro.... cold fingers after just waking up it is like impossible to focus people holy

i SUCK

[vivid ruin]

Can we downvote holy moleys yet

[limber creek]

Jed 2 needs to get to work on multi rev caves im js.

[restive storm]

honestly sacking jed wasnt even worth it

game was better w/ him there

maybe put an end to the ip leaks/hacking but otherwise

[final frigate]

what are we saying man

[restive storm]

we got significantly better wildy updates w/ him there than we've gotten since he left tl;dr

we've gotten screwed over like the last 4-5 years

[final frigate]

are we just forgetting everything else he did

[final frigate]

maybe

be serious

[restive storm]

no, im saying obviously THAT stuff cant happen and isnt good

but the actual game content was better

[restive storm]

yeah i mean thats a bit of hyperbole innit

[final frigate]

there are better ways to ask for content than to want a literal criminal on the dev team

[limber creek]

Are there

[restive storm]

i feel like ive pretty much tried all other ways at this point if we're being honest

none seem to work

[limber creek]

Please enlighten us how.

[restive storm]

if you do have a good idea on how we can ask lmk

[limber creek]

You're community ambassador surely you have resources we do not. Please enlighten us.

[final frigate]

not on dev no

it's an iterative process innit

[limber creek]

Oh so you have no way but you're saying surely theres a better. But you don't actually have any feedback on the issue or stakes in it? Good talk brudda

[final frigate]

they just put out that recent blog/poll and this channel is being used to give feedback on it

both good and bad

that's the whole point

[brisk hill]

Just to be consistent with reality

In a legal decision, a court found that Jagex had conducted the internal investigation incorrectly (specifically related to procedure), and ruled in Jed's favor for unfair dismissal, which led to him receiving

Compensation is the last word

[minor whale]

They found him to have been fired too early before they were aware he had been doing criminal acts
He still had done criminal acts

UK employment law is extremely strict

[floral blaze]

5 long years of consecutive bad wildy updates says enuff

[brisk hill]

I think we’re getting off subject

Fix wildy

[limber creek]

I don't think anyone is saying we want the things he did back.
Just saying he did positive things for the clanning scene. thats all.

At least the wilderness felt like part of osrs at a point and such.

[minor whale]

Making the most bot infested piece of content in the game sure is good for the Wildy yeppers

[brisk hill]

He was the last mod that gave positive feedbacks for PvP regardless of your personal feelings

[brisk hill]

It’s only botted becuase of singles+ lol

[minor whale]

Not infested by design

Bot infested*

[limber creek]

He didn't make slayer caves or wildy chaos altar though did he?

[meager flame]

overall his impact was insanely negative for the wild and pvp though

[brisk hill]

In the days of multi it wasn’t as not infested

[restive storm]

??? making it singles was after he left

[meager flame]

hes a large reason people were* reassured they should in fact hate everything wild/pvp

[restive storm]

its more bot infested now than ever

[limber creek]

Making it singles was what infested it w/ bots lmfao.

[restive storm]

i just dont see how someone can be that lost and not understand the wildy to that degree

[limber creek]

0 risk wearing bulwark and praying mage nonstop omega bots

[vivid ruin]

Make revs great again

[limber creek]

have yall ever actually pked or do you just come in ehre to speculate lmao

Ik squinttz does XD

[restive storm]

imo a lot of them just parrot streamer/reddit POVs

[meager flame]

and nah this is revisionist history bots invested revs in both multi and singles

[brisk hill]

I love how the crowd who says revs is botted to shit go afk when we point out it’s becuase of singles+ lol

[restive storm]

right.. but significantly less in the multi days than now

[limber creek]

Go to revs right now this very moment and tell me its better than multi revs.

[meager flame]

in both cases its still low effort content where you print money for nothing

the bots will be there

[restive storm]

so using "bots were there back then" doesnt exactly hold a lot of weight when MORE bots are there now

[meager flame]

yeah it leads you to the correct conclusion

[brisk hill]

Slap a requirement on it then

[meager flame]

delete revs period

[brisk hill]

Anyone can point out issues turkey one

[limber creek]

Way more.
Just look at chaos altar lol. But people refuse to look at current day and decide to just go off their own feelsies when they dont even engage..

[brisk hill]

Smart man finds & suggests solutions

[restive storm]

but yeah, if any of you guys mods/ambassadors have ways that jagex will actually communicate w/ us RE: wildy issues pls lmk, cuz ive tried discord, reddit, twitter. Do I gotta go on facebook or bluesky or somethin?

[meager flame]

it doesn't work like that

[limber creek]

i heard they're on signal now lmao.

[oblique mesa]

She's just not that into you man

[meager flame]

they read what you say and talk about it internally

[brisk hill]

Did you join that PvP server

[limber creek]

Really. Which one of us suggested wilderness teleport delay back in for skulled pkers?
(Pro tip it was none of us)

[meager flame]

did you see what they did to the pvp server

[restive storm]

they killed my boy 🙁

[brisk hill]

Is that a yes

Idk what you are saying

[meager flame]

just because you give them feedback ultimately doesn't mean they agree or will budget time for it

[floral blaze]

Seen numerous people saying that same shit take in the past few days. Bunch of yappers regurgitating shit they read from other yappers, argue for the sake of arguing. Annoying 🙄

[limber creek]

where they only approved streamers for years and then shut down because they were gonna come out with a new area then didnt even include a pvp section in the official discord?
Yeah i seen all that.

[brisk hill]

This guy hella clever I just realized

[restive storm]

them engaging in discussion would be kinda nice like they used to do

[brisk hill]

Like the most clever guy I’ve ever interacted with. Thankful for that

[restive storm]

now jmods just sit in streamer friends chats

[meager flame]

yeah thats because their entire communication strategy changed

[floral blaze]

Like just stfu if u didnt participate. Stop yapping and making yourself look more foolish

[meager flame]

jmods hardly if ever talk to players now

for anything

[restive storm]

yeah its depressing how bad things are now

[meager flame]

some of them talk to streamers or get you a random reddit comment but its almost entirely their cms

[brisk hill]

And then crying wildy is predator vs prey but won’t agree it’s becuase of singles+

Thank god you’re here to explain that fr

[meager flame]

gone are the days of jmods doing a weekly qa and talking to players often

[brisk hill]

Thankful

[meager flame]

its not just about pvp

thats everything

[limber creek]

They have to chime in. If they're not a part of the discussion us pvpers might come up with a way to take their twisted claws and such.

[restive storm]

their only recently wildy ideas were literally, add more loot pinatas, but make it so the boss 1 hits skulled players... like real brainiac stuff there

[brisk hill]

Tell me more fr

[brisk hill]

Sad bee

[meager flame]

but really im just trying to help you guys out to understand

[brisk hill]

Hey fella

We understand

Adults

[meager flame]

if you're waiting for some in depth conversation with jmods to pop up and like idk happen

its not going to happen

[brisk hill]

I am not 12 👍

[meager flame]

they dont do that anymore

[limber creek]

They dont do anything to do w/ pkers brother. you're catching on.

[brisk hill]

I think if you pvp you know how they operate much clearer than an Ironman

[meager flame]

thats what i mean

you think its pkers

[brisk hill]

So you aren’t really telling us anything new lol

[meager flame]

its everyone

[brisk hill]

You just kinda yapping

[meager flame]

they dont do it anymore lol

[brisk hill]

👍

[meager flame]

they haven't since around covid

[limber creek]

Idk they seem to read plenty of reddit posts and put up votes for easyscape to cater to ironmen every other poll.

Moot point.

[brisk hill]

I know you are right in all things, but the point is PvP saw this side since the beginning, we are not surprised

[meager flame]

so you know they're not going to but you then turn around and type into the void like they're going to and when told they discuss feedback internally you disagree

[limber creek]

nah we're just talking with new homies in the new pvp discord buddy.

Dont get it twisted

[minor whale]

Rev Caves bots have been an issue since Jan 2018 when they quintupled loot values there
There's been videos about hunting rev cave bots since the day they got introduced
"Venezuelan Gold Farmers have moved" is a video from Crumb right after they got changed to singles saying how much the caves was botted and gold farmed before it was singles+

Not going afk to ignore an argument I'm finding links and threads in support of my argument

Yeah there's bots there now too lol

Doesn't mean shit wasn't botted to fuck and camped by gold farmers before it was singles+ too

[restive storm]

there's more bots now than there were before... So what you're saying literally doesnt matter lol

[restive storm]

the point is they used to, now they hide in content creator private discords and only talk to them

which is what i want them to change

its really lame

[brisk hill]

Seeing as the teleport changes were “postponed” I’d say typin to the void has its merits

[limber creek]

Lets just ignore all scale and cherrypick my point out because thatll own the pkers haha! I wasn't there but i saw a video from one dude and what he says is what actually happened! He was out there 24/7 more than any of you haha!

[minor whale]

It's 5 years later
Every content has more bots than ever before

[meager flame]

yeah i dislike it too i've complained that they're basically washed compared to ~2015-2018 era jagex

[restive storm]

one dude with literally no idea how the wildy works as wel

https://tenor.com/view/jfc-omg-no-smoking-cigarette-smoke-head-shake-gif-18161146778440886047

[meager flame]

their community engagement/discussion/whatever is absolute dog shit now in comparison

but somehow they have a whole team dedicated to it

[restive storm]

thats cap and you know it, theres way less zulrah bots now compared to before for example

[meager flame]

when back then the devs just sat on a couch once a week mostly

[brisk hill]

Yes, but can you acknowledge that it’s enabled by singles+

[restive storm]

yes pls fix

[limber creek]

idk man there wasn't any doom bots in 2015. You know before doom was released.

Get owned pker

[minor whale]

Rev caves should have stayed multi sure
I literally never argued against that lmao

[limber creek]

There were also no toa bots before toa was released.

[minor whale]

I said Jed is not someone to look for for good game design and you guys got so pissed you started frothing at the mouth that noooo he had good Wildy updates!!

[limber creek]

There are no raids 4 bots yet.
So don't release raids 4.

[meager flame]

and when i say that i mean their overall strategy there are still some specific jmods that go above and beyond like ash for example

will just talk to people in public

[brisk hill]

He did

[meager flame]

but hes not the guy writing a lot of the code now

[brisk hill]

If you look at data of PvPers in wildy alone then & now

It’s clear lol

[limber creek]

idk maybe talk to pkers instead of johnny streamer, and jimmy mclms bot.

[meager flame]

it does suck that it all changed even if it makes sense like you've gotta admit if you were a game dev at jagex

i'd never want to talk to players

but thats what made the game good/different

[hasty shard]

what stuff did jed design again

[minor whale]

Shocking the guy who designed content designed for his clan to have profitable content that funneled gp to them made content that is full of gp and funnels gp to clans, this sure is good content

Nah most people have just bowed out from chatting with you 3 people because the instant they say something you don't agree with it's 💯 🤣 👎

[hasty shard]

i wouldnt say the skulling stuff at revs is particularly bad but the fact that it was just completely hidden was

[limber creek]

Mod jed helped on Ma2.
Sand crabs
Mm2
Bone voyage
Rev caves and mobile osrs.

[hasty shard]

sand crabs 🔥

[meager flame]

he's one of the primary architects of the perception the wider community has about pvp too lmao

[limber creek]

this was some mad bs and certain clans had that info when the rest of the world didn't.
But if you were a part of the scene you caught on within the first month. Hmm why is one clan killing it all skulled.

[meager flame]

not a game update but boy he couldn't have confirmed people's bias any better

[hasty shard]

ok you can definitely tell the jed content was made with certain intentions

but its still somehow not the worst shit

wide gesture to zombie pirates poll

[brisk hill]

^!

^!!!!

[limber creek]

Add multi revenants.
Add 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness.

[brisk hill]

That’s unfortunate that ppl bow out of conversations with ppl who are passionate about things.

We just wanna discuss tbh

[limber creek]

Only bad takes are downvoted. And if a discord emoji hurts your feelings, perhaps don't interact with other adults.

[brisk hill]

Some go about it the wrong way sure but “the 3 of us” are just passionate & not rude about it (for the most part)

[restive storm]

Cuz it’s annoying when people parrot stuff they’ve heard from a random YouTuber, yet have zero first hand experience and then try to explain to people who lived through it lol

[minor whale]

Most people don't care to converse when every other comment gets flamed or insinuated they must be stupid or unknowledgeable because they say something you disagree with lol

[analog crow]

Would be good if we didn't type like it's 4chan tbqhfam

[hasty shard]

tbqhfam

[minor whale]

Like when I said vw and surge and shit has undeniably changed the concept of piling and got 2 downvotes just for Teal to say it's correct and then you go "Oh yeah true"

[brisk hill]

& on the other side, it’s beyond frustrating trying to explain your point regarding PvP to ppl who parrot the same 4 points

[meager flame]

i mean the fundamental point with revs is that people had fun and could go fight people better when it was multi but at the same time it was a terribly unbalanced update that actually makes no sense

[brisk hill]

Those are just difference in opinions though lol

[restive storm]

I still don’t think surge changes anything since everyone always just had 100% spec anyway

[meager flame]

so people want it back to have fun but everyone else is like no that update sucks for everything else

[limber creek]

Voidwaker killed any chance of normal singles coming back. Or of me at least voting for it lol.

[restive storm]

Vw very slightly but sure

[floral blaze]

Bro thinks gold farmers and bots are the same thing 😭 😭 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[brisk hill]

Maldito!

[limber creek]

Explain your thinking my friend.

[hasty shard]

i said it like yesterday but why of all things from the wildy game jam did they decide on fucking wrathmaw

[brisk hill]

Manked our chosen hero

[limber creek]

because parroting rs3 is easier than listening to the community.

[meager flame]

yeah so if you can go anywhere in game with no requirements and almost no gameplay or anything and then just absolutely print gp

thats not balanced

its not good for the game

[hasty shard]

for posterity

[meager flame]

im not even saying it wont be fun for people trying to fight or pk

im sure its lovely getting tons of free money and activity

[limber creek]

What is good for the game then since this is how you feel revs is.

[brisk hill]

New shark 24 hp - nahh put in sailorman

[hasty shard]

heck was it the first game jam that had the multi rev spot

it was

[meager flame]

idk what jagex could do to make something fun like that which was also actually tuned well and balanced for the game

i just know it wasn't revs

so bring back multi revs definitely isnt the answer

[limber creek]

waiting on your response.

[brisk hill]

Idk fella look at escape caves & wildy bosses

[limber creek]

Oh you don't know? yeah... we're aware.

[brisk hill]

Idk if they can design somet like that lol

[meager flame]

ya im not saying those are good

[brisk hill]

I’m not saying you are fella

I’m just saying based on the evidence we have idk if they can do it

[meager flame]

i mean i agree they suck at designing pvp content usually

[minor whale]

So you can't say something is bad without having a plan for something good to replace it? That kind of weird ass bm is why people think it's "rude" and not "passionate" lmao

[meager flame]

but they also try basically some variation on the same idea over and over

so maybe if they tried something different it would work

[minor whale]

Any content that's mils/gp hour with basically 0 requirements is bad

[limber creek]

If a person can't even articulate their thoughts on a subject whatsoever how versed are they my friend?
Please use critical thinking and take all the time you need.

[minor whale]

He said a full thought
Revs is content that you can go to with 0 requirements and get shitloads of gp at low stats
That's, to him and a lot of people, bad game design.

[analog crow]

You asking for it to be botted to oblivion

[minor whale]

You can get pissy that revs feeds pkers so that means it's actually good content but that doesn't mean he didn't have a full thought on its quality

Either botted or gold farmed which has the same outcome

[limber creek]

really? Because you parroted what you said and not what he said. So you're him now?

Reddit really does damage.

[brisk hill]

It’s an old saying “Any a-hole can point out a problem. A leader points out solutions”

In the sense of OSRS PVP where all we have is things taken away from us: PLEASE!! Don’t suggest removing things WITHOUT a solution as THATS all that happens 🙁

• passionate PvP Enjoyer x

[oblique mesa]

Everything is botted like crazy anyway. Doom is supposed to be some of the hardest content and its botted. Right now on every world you can find runecraft bots banking at castle wars. Dunno why the wilderness has this weird bar where it needs to be unbottable.

[limber creek]

Bro bought up what he said as someone elses response its to funny.

[minor whale]

I'm not sure if you're able to read or not but he said all of that, here you go buddy give these words a look-see and see if you can piece that together

Like wws man

[limber creek]

oh yeah i see where he said no skills required. I also see his solutions posted wonderful job!

[restive storm]

Honestly in this scenario if you have bad gear and low range you aren’t really makin much gp/h at revs anyway

[limber creek]

You seema tad upset please calm down ❤️

[minor whale]

Lmao you're the one mention replying me every time I say something that you clearly missed dude

[limber creek]

Dont come in here with logic. This is reddit hour. Come back later.

[minor whale]

It's ok to admit you didn't read it very well!

[brisk hill]

I can’t read tbh I have grok read to me.

[minor whale]

Based

[restive storm]

Never I will fight for pvpcord

[limber creek]

Homies gonna go to revs on his level 3 and make billions of gp an hour with no threat of dying and no pkers.

And you're gonna like it!

As jagex intended.

[brisk hill]

I’ve been killing rev on my hcim past few days

Don’t tell the dbowers

[restive storm]

“But you can kill imps with fire strike” … like ok I can fill vials of water off tutorial island too

[brisk hill]

Lmaoo

[limber creek]

Basically the arguement state were at...

[brisk hill]

I see what your guys’ point is but at the same time they are correct. A req is definitely needed if multi revs comes back

[limber creek]

You cant go hit revs for 2m gp an hour!
Let me go farm frost dragons for 2m gp an hour though.

[brisk hill]

Frost dragons are locked behind sailing :p

[minor whale]

0 stats frost dragons yeppers

[restive storm]

Yeah that I def agree

[limber creek]

Frost dragons aren't pvp enabled.

Pretty big requirement there /shrug/

Wildy mediums did so much to stop bots too at solo boss variants.

[brisk hill]

Mediums are fk all

Lock behind a lvl and diary

[meager flame]

i mean its not really stopping people if its just pvp enabled

[limber creek]

Give me 99 sailing req for revs idgaf

[meager flame]

it would if jagex tuned things better but then nobody would do the content

usually its a numbers game for people who dont intend to pvp

[oblique mesa]

Rev island 👀

[meager flame]

the chaos altar is the best example because its simple

[brisk hill]

Hell wildy hards are fk all too

[limber creek]

The whole reason i have over a million ether and 99 sailing lmao

[meager flame]

you cannot possibly die enough doing the content to make it worth using another altar

so people just go out there to die

revs are similar

you invest almost nothing and get so much loot it doesn't matter when you occasionally get pked

[minor whale]

Yeah it's 0 risk when the requirements are nothing and it's impossible to lose more than you gain

[brisk hill]

I’m confused by this sentence

[restive storm]

yeah but the chaos altar is for the biggest noobs of all time cuz nobody there is in any real risk

ur best kill gonna be like 100 dbones

[minor whale]

It's content that has such low requirements to use for such a large upside that it's impossible for it to not be the best thing to use, I think

[limber creek]

We just gonna keep jumping around.

Any thoughts on fixing the issues?

[meager flame]

yes

[brisk hill]

yes

[limber creek]

🚫

[brisk hill]

Ok. Worth the risk because reward is always greater

[minor whale]

Chaos Altar is one of those Wildy places that it doesn't make sense unless you're an hcim to not do

[meager flame]

yeah tldr chaos altar is so good

[brisk hill]

I did 43 prayer on my hc at altar

[meager flame]

you would have to lose like 50% of the total bones you planned to use

[restive storm]

yeah but ur not a weenie

[minor whale]

It's just always better reward than risk in basically every scenario

[meager flame]

before it was worse than the next best option

aka

it is always better

[brisk hill]

[limber creek]

so wait how is wildy altar good?

its a 0 requirement guranteed hit for every account that isn't a hardcore.

[brisk hill]

I may have also had some pals holding the world down but we don’t have to discuss ..

[minor whale]

It's not good nor good game design

[meager flame]

its actually not good

its just a good example of how the wilderness game design functions

[limber creek]

oh okay. So its good until i ask.

Good to know

[minor whale]

It's good as in it's too good for how free/rewarding it is

What

[restive storm]

do you guys have any actual concept of what GOOD wilderness content DOES look like?

[meager flame]

all pvp content people actually go do to die like revs is functionining on the same concept

[restive storm]

I feel like you just say everything is bad

[limber creek]

brother look at what theyve said.
They don't and its so glaringly obvious lol.

Post edge kd's

[brisk hill]

Just remove wildy

Make it optional!

[oblique mesa]

Damn you guys frisky today

[brisk hill]

Well he has a point

Everything PvP in here is badly designed

[limber creek]

We're getting ragged in discord homie can't help it.

[brisk hill]

So it’s a good question

[restive storm]

the pure

[limber creek]

This man pvp's

[meager flame]

yeah i think the most basic level of the wilderness is good where its just two guys in sets fighting each other

[vivid ruin]

Love the name

[meager flame]

i think it basically goes wrong immediately every time jagex is like

[limber creek]

So the duel arena

[meager flame]

but what if they were skilling or like

trying to pvm but then a guy attacked them

[restive storm]

KD absolutely getting put thru the blender now that im baiting w/ it tho

[meager flame]

its always shit as soon as they do that

[restive storm]

so... you dont like the wildy, you moreso like pvp worlds/bh agreed fights

cuz the wildy has never been what you said lol

[limber creek]

Go to emirs arena it has that content you want that none of us did.

[meager flame]

yeah pretty much i always liked actual pvp and not so much pking where you hunt people not fighting back

weirdly enough jagex makes just about 0 updates for that in the wild

[limber creek]

There's that arguement again you only hit people who won't fight back.

My brother have you tried venge+voidwaker?

[floral blaze]

A lawless land of chaos should only promote fairness

🧠

[restive storm]

ok, that i can understand, but what i need you to realize we HAVE places for that, like PvP worlds/BH where people go to do just that. So I'm arguing dont make the wilderness that as well since people already hardly use those

[meager flame]

yeah but the wilderness used to be the place for that

[brisk hill]

It never was

[restive storm]

it hasnt since like actual 2007

[minor whale]

Every time Jagex says "hey what if we put something in here that's no risk and so much better than anything else for the requirements it has that it basically exists solely to bait noobs into the Wildy to feed an ecosystem that relies on people who don't really want to be there having a bad time but not bad enough to leave before feeding up the food chain"

What is your guys favorite time in the past to do pking, in your opinion

Just curious

[meager flame]

and im not saying it should be fair to be clear

[limber creek]

No. Level 1-2-3 edgeville was for that in 2007.

That was 19 years ago brother. Times have changed from elvemage.

[restive storm]

2020 chins is the most GOATED time period and its not close\

[meager flame]

i dont care if someone looking to pk goes and gets jumped in multi or runs into a guy in max and gets shit on for example

[brisk hill]

2020 in general

[restive storm]

that place was busy literally all day everyday lol

[meager flame]

i just dont think anything good comes out of jagex essentially luring guys into the wild so that the last remaining pkers will hopefully have some person to left click

[restive storm]

there were mini stream teams, big clans, solo pkers, little timmy teams the whole 9 yards

[oblique mesa]

Bros I like bullying pvm nerds, sometimes I go to world 420 and camp clue spots, sometimes I kill black salamander hunters, sometimes I camp the pit at wilderness agility and try to kill anyone who falls down.
🥺 its all fun

[limber creek]

So @meager flame if you got your way would you want for pvp to be opt in only? Because thats exactly what it sounds like.

[restive storm]

but good things have traditionally come from that, it only stopped working that way when they cut off pkers ability to hit each other

[minor whale]

Chins is an area I'd say is solid content and should probably just be multi
It doesn't have mega high rewards but is quite a bit better than anything else, and has actual stat requirements that are more than 30 minutes of botting combats

[meager flame]

brother

that happened because people hated it

they invited all of the people in that dont like it

[restive storm]

right... and look where it landed us, have we solved anything?

[meager flame]

and jagex responded to overwhelming feedback

[brisk hill]

And now Reddit gets to cry about predator vs prey lol

I don’t feel bad for them

Enjoy singles + lol

[restive storm]

yeah they essentially asked to be pked even harder than before

[limber creek]

Its close enough to multi that its a good baiting location.
But also your post is a little silly.
You know how many 100m+ chin bots there are? its gotta not be good content according to what we've read today.

[restive storm]

but theyre just not smart enough to realize it

[meager flame]

i mean they didn't

[brisk hill]

They did lol

[meager flame]

they seemed to vote to limit content out there in its entirety and try to kill the wilderness

[brisk hill]

They tried to make wilderness fair

[meager flame]

and are succeeding

its ways safer today than ever before

[brisk hill]

& instead they just have a max main on them instead lol

[restive storm]

it is way safer for people who know what theyre doing this is true, but it doesnt stop the avg noob from getting bodied harder htan before

[limber creek]

I really wish the people commenting has a baseline understanding that the wilderness is just a buncha dudes tryna fight each other.
a lot of us dont specifically target pvmers we just hit white dots.
Thinking it as a personal attack is something you need to work on for yourself because i promise its not lmao.

[meager flame]

yeah it does when the number of people trying to pk them is 10% of what it used to be

[minor whale]

Yeah I mean I have a solid 19/20 escape chance from anyone getting on me while I'm doing any content
It's way, way safer

[meager flame]

lmao like

[minor whale]

Doing Wildy clues most cloggers don't even bank

[brisk hill]

Yes but it’s tone deaf to say changes didn’t cause the numbers to dwindle

[restive storm]

correct. for good players its far TOO safe so that no good rewards can go there cuz good players/bots will rarely if ever die

[meager flame]

i guess the big overall point im trying to make is that if you want the wilderness to be better, get new content and be fun for people pking

[minor whale]

You're not gonna find people and you can tank to escape within 4 brews

[restive storm]

but for noobs they get stomped and theres no way out for them via npcs etc

[meager flame]

you've gotta stop filling it with content for people who hate the wilderness

because they're just going to get it changed or stop the updates entirely

like they have

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[limber creek]

i like clue scrollers

[meager flame]

i mean they can keep doing the things they've always done

but you see where that got us

[brisk hill]

I lowkey think they ask you for wildy updates

[minor whale]

I mean
If noobs die noobs die
It's still safer if you know what you're doing which is what most people care about
You're gonna be hard pressed to find people that know how to escape say it's harder, and as soon as the noobs ask for advice on how to escape they also instantly know it's easier

[restive storm]

think this was my biggest one at bridge

[limber creek]

thats a bait not a clue scroller XD

[restive storm]

been a while since i got a heater there

[meager flame]

thats someone doing vorkath literally

[restive storm]

bp's were cheap enough to drop 😭

[brisk hill]

If only they had their optional PvP turned on this wouldn’t have happened!!!

[restive storm]

if only there was a button

that prevented you from skulling

[brisk hill]

Dang It!!!!!!

[restive storm]

ugh!

[meager flame]

idk how they even got out there to die lmao someone is just a massive idiot for that one

[brisk hill]

If only we removed the wilderness!!!!!

UGH!

[limber creek]

I still hate pvp skull prevention but thats acceptable honestly with the weenie hut junior we're trying to cultivate in wildy.

[brisk hill]

Meh leave it

Don’t let what’s his face go on a tangent man

Pls

[limber creek]

my bad

[meager flame]

nah but really what do you guys think would be good content for people who want to pvp

[brisk hill]

Nothing becuase Reddit hive mind beast

Imma go play cod becuase that’s a game for PvP

[floral blaze]

Opt in PVP brother, make it happen!!!

[meager flame]

where you're not just going to get outnumbered 10 to 1 and have jagex cave to pressure and change it since thats basically whats going on

[limber creek]

I know one way 😏 but ig we don't like it.

[meager flame]

the wild has just been getting bullied by people that dont like it

[brisk hill]

& you are one of those ppl fella

Whether you can admit it or not

But saying wilderness is the place for fair 1v1’s

Is apart of the problem lol

[meager flame]

i didnt say that though

thats just you guys with your head canon lol

[restive storm]

man ive said 5,000 times remove the pj timer so pkers hit each other more

that is THE way to have more pker v pker interactions cuz rn 95% of them arent allowed

[meager flame]

okay so lets say that happens

[limber creek]

You have world 19's for pj timer stay on task for the whole wilderness first then we can push for that one 🙁 🙁 🙁

[meager flame]

is that every pker that wants that or is that just guys that want to swap off with each other and spec in singles

[limber creek]

I dont want pj timer removed straight up lol.

I like owning noobs in singles

[restive storm]

not every pker, but its easier to get noobs into, cuz rn we're allowed to wear way too much gear. Thats why you dont hear streamers asking for it to go. They like bullying noobs in giga sets

[limber creek]

but pj timer isnt my jam because its not my main forte of pking.
I am a multi enjoyer.

[restive storm]

buts its def not healthy

removing pj timer overall lowers the megatron sets that are out there instantly

[limber creek]

Even if a bigger clan eats me. Thats what i signed up for.

[restive storm]

though there will be a big max team for sure, but its a trade off

[meager flame]

doesn't that just scale though

like the streamer just gets more people in max sets and now the guys in low sets are fucked

[minor whale]

That's just not gonna happen because you've got to convince the masses that it won't lead to them being piled/traded
And people aren't going to believe that when they have evidence they can survive better
If I get specced twice and live I know I'm gonna escape as long as I don't stick around for 2 more minutes

[restive storm]

yes, and the big big max singles teams would eat the streamer teams

it happened all the time

[limber creek]

let a streamer mass up dudes in max sets and ill eat them.

[floral blaze]

I welcome the pj timer revert, its just ass these days hopping around for so long and not finding action. You have the fight the same 4 guys day in day out in 304 or spend an hour hopping hoping to find someone else.

[meager flame]

so now you're doing what the streamer did previously

and its healthy this time

[restive storm]

yes but more people are involved

than the same 4 people that thug is talkin ab

[limber creek]

once again go bh world if u want pj timer.

I got nowhere to go for multi revs 🙁 🙁 🙁

[restive storm]

i dont wanna join a 50man team 🙁

i like smaller ones

[limber creek]

Then why you sayin ur gonna get a bigger team lol.

[restive storm]

i wouldnt, me and my friends get eaten by the big teams

all the time

[limber creek]

Lets get multi content XD they aint never changing pj timer.

[restive storm]

im not saying we shouldnt get multi content

[floral blaze]

The only way to find somewhat consistent singles action is have 5 accounts with different builds bonded up in different spots, its depressing its come to that 😂

[restive storm]

im sayin slap the undo button, THEN make multi content

[minor whale]

I'm way more ok with more multi content than PJ timer revert

[restive storm]

legit have 4 clients up at all times now tbh

[meager flame]

ya tbh they probably wont change the pj timer

[restive storm]

1 pure, 1 moons, 1 med, 1 main

[minor whale]

I think more of the Wildy just should straight up be multi

[restive storm]

still hard to find anything

[restive storm]

its unlikely, but idk its killed the wildy so bad maybe theres some hope these days

[limber creek]

add a 1t tele delay pre 30 and i bet pre 30 locations get a lot less botted.

[oblique mesa]

Aren't adding the increased PJ timer to DMM?

[limber creek]

or at least way less lucratively.

[meager flame]

it seems like what you actually want is small team pvp content

and jagex has never even tried to do that

[restive storm]

yes and no, im just not a fan of actual multi

[minor whale]

Just have a diary based tele delay to the entire wildy

[weary stag]

Castle wars? XD

[restive storm]

like 3-4 man piling one dude i dont rly find that fun

[minor whale]

2 tick before hards, 1 tick before Elite, instant if Elite

[limber creek]

This idea fucks.

+1

[restive storm]

yeah def need that if they arent changing anything else

wildy sucks rn

[brisk hill]

Ye

Fortnite DMM

[restive storm]

dmm prob gonna be a mess tbh, every1 just in msb rag getting their uniques

0 risk everywhere lol

[oblique mesa]

Castle wars barriers everywhere would be insane, im ready for build mode DMM

[minor whale]

And then make the areas surrounding but not immediately around the demi bosses be multi

Sorta like Spindel cave

If you go North/East

Calvarion is piss easy to never ever die at even if you're gotten on by someone in a max set

[meager flame]

dmm is just going to be a bunch of people unlocking cosmetics in rags

[restive storm]

this is just the entire wilderness if you have 1/4 of a brain. Its nearly impossible to die even if someone in max is on u

[meager flame]

never actually trying to pvp or get to whatever they plan for the end lol

[limber creek]

Try pking there. If its a bot they will insta logout before you can tb. unless its dog phase LOL.

[meager flame]

i mean all of those bosses are fundamentally broken because jagex is dumb

[floral blaze]

Flushing vetion is so frustrating when they just instalog like that

[meager flame]

you shouldn't even be able to teleport out of the boss caves

if they're gonna put them in caves

[limber creek]

+1 as well.

[minor whale]

I have like 300m pked at Calv from release, up until the bot farms got hard diary completed

[meager flame]

like lol

[minor whale]

Hard diary completion is way too simple for 3 to 0 tick delay

[meager flame]

its sad i just brought a scout and im immortal

the design is so dumb

[minor whale]

Even a 1 tick delay at hard would keep bots from leaving

[tender harness]

this shouldnt even be polled it wont pass. if they feel like its worth doing just do it.

[minor whale]

Unfortunately it feels like the hard diary req for teles just rewards bots

[limber creek]

yeah... the bots always catch up and ruin the shit regardless of content. And thats why im pushing so hard for a tele delay sub 30 wilderness. 1t will HARDLY affect a real player. And honestly wouldn't help me as much as i'd LIKE. But i could at least SOMETIMES actually get ahold of some of these bots that i barely catch the names of otherwise.

[restive storm]

love them wasting their time on absolute nonsense lol

[floral blaze]

it 100000% favors the pvmers and yet redditors will make posts crying about pkers when cheat plugins like wildy player alarm guarantee immortality unless you're slow in the brain

[tender harness]

would vote yes here but that means irons get a discount. they can pipe up and pay the full 25k

[restive storm]

lest we forget theyre mad about that wildy cctv website lmao

[limber creek]

Wildy player alarm should be banned.

[restive storm]

ban deathdotter plugin too

[oblique mesa]

👉 👈 can i finish my vw grind first

[limber creek]

Of course king.

[restive storm]

literally just cheat plugins that are allowed

[meager flame]

i mean they should make one of two changes to those bosses

you either shouldn't be able to teleport in the cave at all

or

[limber creek]

I think deathdotter is okay because i just render myself invisible anyways

[meager flame]

you should be able to login inside of the cave

at minimum

[restive storm]

doing it perma i think is fine, it auto toggling back and forth is super lame

[meager flame]

because otherwise you have to run up to ring the doorbell and people are gone before you could possibly have tbed or anything

[limber creek]

it is a bit cheaty feeling but ultimately dont change anything i don't think but yeah. ive been a red outline for a few years now...

[minor whale]

Add specific demiboss tele scrolls

Lets you enter the caves without alerting scouts

Buyable from the guy in Ferox for like 50k each, only works from Ferox

[floral blaze]

you know its funny a year back some redditor made a thread crying about pkers doing his Spindel grind and the guy had the shittiest setup known to man, the thread had 3k+ upvotes - just anglers, no brews, no defensive gear etc

bro wrote a whole book too

[restive storm]

while we're talking wildy related stuff can we add a -50 xp lamp pls? or just some way that i can fix this

[minor whale]

At this point get 5 more levels for 2.2k total worlds

Account already ruined

[meager flame]

the only solution to that is the create account button unfortunately lmao

[minor whale]

58 prayer here we go

[restive storm]

doing prayer quests as we speak for 63 brozzer

[limber creek]

Atp i'd rather have content that's to good and gets balanced.
Than no content at all..
Bring back multi revs.
Add a teleport delay below 30 wilderness (small as to not affect real players)

[meager flame]

but yeah i actually have wanted them to give more support to pures and other account builds so you're more in control of what exp you can gain

[restive storm]

we polled VLS like 45 times before it came into the game, -xp lamps only got 1-2 polls. they can def go again

[meager flame]

but a lot of people freak out about that

like omg if you did this they'd be able to do a lap at prif agility and the game would be ruined!

or whatever

[limber creek]

Id pass the negative xp lamp question.
I don't consume that content so my opinion don't matter on it.

[restive storm]

it failed by like 2% last time they polled, just vote yes im beggin

[limber creek]

I hate pures so im actually gonna vote no now since you pressed me.

[restive storm]

im sick of brainlet redditors telling me just make a new one they dont take long

[limber creek]

😈

[meager flame]

i just think it really sucks that you can spend so much time on those accounts and one bug or misclick or whatever one time ruins it

[minor whale]

What about 2 Rev caves
A singles+ that solely drops the rev weapons and absolutely 0 other drops
Safer (as in as safe as currently is) with the same gp cost to enter but there's absolutely 0 worth in doing it for bots as the gp/hr would be ass
And a multi cave that's the current cave and drops normal loot and everything

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-gif-5080568167377406268

[restive storm]

they shoulda just kept it this way since the start, revs singles+ rest of singles just same singles

that was kinda a fun few weeks cuz every1 had something

[limber creek]

i'd need time to think on this. Im leaning no but i'd have to think.

[minor whale]

You'd have the "safer" option that gets less pkers for the people on Reddit that are afraid of seeing a pker
And then you'd also have less bots there because of incredibly shit gp/hr
Meanwhile the multi caves is for profit and would have more pker teams and less bots due to being cleared out constantly

And make the singles+ require hards to enter or some shit

[restive storm]

he finally came around to the fact that multi has less bots

and singles + is actually just cuz of reddit crybabies

[limber creek]

To much dev time we'd never see it but the idea is solid. I like the direction of taking my suggestion a different way to explore ideas.

[minor whale]

I never said multi didn't have less bots I said Jed is not some guy to look up to for content because he just made shit for his team to profit 💢

[meager flame]

idk if it really has less bots tbf they'd just get more organized

[minor whale]

These days it'd be like multi demibosses

[meager flame]

like the multi boss farms that call in what i assume are just like

[restive storm]

good content is good content man, and multi revs was liek the most loved wildy update ever

[limber creek]

I think we all agree jed is not a guy to look up to. A fair point as well. As i don't agree with cheating nor support anyone who does.

[minor whale]

It's full of bots protected by the owners

[meager flame]

gold farming protection or something

[minor whale]

It's actually insane these days

If you go multi Callisto

[restive storm]

bro im beggiin you to stop watching random yt'rs takes and using those as fact lmao

[minor whale]

It's 30 bots and as soon as you enter the bot owners log in and skull up

I went myself to see

And it happened 3 times on 3 worlds

[meager flame]

ya its real i've met them a few times

same with the rogues chest raggers

[restive storm]

its not the bot owners, they just give certain clans access to the bot scouting features lmao

i promise u the guy runnin the farm is not out there multi clanning

[meager flame]

if you show up near their farm you get jumped by people wearing rags in like a few seconds

[minor whale]

I mean even then it's still people protecting the bots, whether it's for the bots benefit or not

[limber creek]

Whenever those bots see a player it pings certain clans and they show up. Thats what happens. Whether we like it or not.

[restive storm]

its people just looking for multi action, that, yes are using the bot scouting feature to do so

[limber creek]

Myself i like to fight those clans 👊🏻

[minor whale]

Owner or not it's a team logging on to pk as soon as you hop in, which doesn't kill the bots

Same outcome

[restive storm]

people thinking its the owner doing it is hilarious though

[minor whale]

Different reasoning

[meager flame]

my assumption is they're just paying people in brazil for protection

[limber creek]

Exactly right pyro.

I mean squinttz that does happen at spider with ole glass eye.

But thats diff story

[minor whale]

Yeah I don't know how to say this in a PC way

[restive storm]

yeah thats a little diff

[minor whale]

But the people who hop in

[limber creek]

just say it bro lol

[minor whale]

Always instantly start speaking Spanish

[meager flame]

ya lol

[oblique mesa]

Nooooo its totally a bot farm owner at Rogues castle!!!

[limber creek]

ayudamae ayuda!

[meager flame]

im pretty sure bot farm and gold farm are just overlapping

[restive storm]

my noobs bro

[brisk hill]

You’d be surprised

[minor whale]

It's not like it's often it's every time

[limber creek]

I pked once with some spanish dudes and they were awesome. I didn't understand a thing.

[restive storm]

idk, i dont think my egyptian homies that are all like 150m range xp in rev caves and 16 mage are associated with bots... but it also aint like theyre playing for fun

since theyve said specifically ingame its their job lol

[meager flame]

ya i mean you've just gotta think their motivation is the same

so they probably are related lol

[restive storm]

oh for sure

[limber creek]

yeah the venezuelan people aren't bots. They just grinders frfr

[minor whale]

Yeah personally I don't really differentiate between bot/gold farmer/whatever
Their goals and outcomes are the same, just different detection methods for bopping them really

[restive storm]

literally the only ppl left at black chins these days sadly

[brisk hill]

It’s interesting that the people who actually rely on the content to live don’t care if it’s unfair

[meager flame]

plus if you were really on the grind

you'd probably do both at once

[restive storm]

they know what actual struggle is tbh, probably 99% of the reason they arent as whiny

rather than the redditors who are shaking with anger if they go over droprate for an item

[brisk hill]

Perspective is a crazy thing

[minor whale]

Well yeah
It's profitable enough for them even if it's not "fair" there's absolutely no reason to do anything else for how easy and simple the content it really

[limber creek]

Its 1/400 buddy and i didn't get it at 401. The game has me shadowbanned you don't understand. And a pker took my spade.

[meager flame]

lmao theres so many things i wish i could say but this discord would take it the wrong way

[restive storm]

bro the clue scroll whiners are the worst

literally how can you even die doin that these days

[minor whale]

It's why you don't see as many gold farmers necessarily at harder content but a loooot more bots

[limber creek]

clue scroll whiners are the best smh

i love em

[meager flame]

i know a lot about people farming gold in other games and honestly its more lucrative than you probably think

[restive storm]

right but this is just them being dumb lol they coulda just banked that lol

[bronze kernel]

I remember playing a P2W Chinese MMO that was like 90% Egyptians

[limber creek]

@restive storm guess where i found that guy you legit aint gonna believe it.

[restive storm]

idk like 19 ports or somethin

[bronze kernel]

When they shut down the Internet during the whole protests in Cairo back in like 2010, the servers were so empty