game-update

[silk thicket]

And they have less specs overall

[brisk hill]

Respectfully, it is disingenuous to think vw & surge pot hasn’t changed the way singles fall ins would work

[restive storm]

It’s understandable you would think that, but I’m just saying you’re not correct at all lol

[brisk hill]

You’d never see a d bow in the fall in again

[ionic tartan]

Spec trade timer was a good direction imo, it cut down a bit of the most egregious part of tanking clans in singles. They could just go further on that side.

[silk thicket]

Tbf vw has yes

[minor whale]

Seems people disagree with you who also pk

[restive storm]

Vw does affect it tbf yeah spec pot doesn’t outside of scim tbs

[brisk hill]

Helped me just the other day in 19 get a full

Scim splashed first time

Meta changing

[restive storm]

Yeah, but it doesn’t change the actual focusing part

[brisk hill]

That i agree with

[silk thicket]

5 vls

Per person

[brisk hill]

But compared to vw

[silk thicket]

Pretty big

[restive storm]

I mean vls can’t even be used outside of bh which if they change back I don’t want vls everywhere

[brisk hill]

Sorry not compared, combined

[brisk hill]

Yea using VLS & korasi to focus in 19 is insane

You can’t survive a half

• we didn’t have bowfa @restive storm

Imagine full crystal on the focus

We had acb on focus before

[brisk hill]

Or just hybrid most times

[restive storm]

Yeah that’d be rough, crystals a lotttta risk w no timer tho lol

If you’re bringing an actual spec weapon too

[silk thicket]

Ur only focusing with numbers

[brisk hill]

& not tanky no shield etc

[restive storm]

99.99% of players do not need to tank anyone with a bofa set in that scenario

[brisk hill]

Yeah but that’s the scenario I think we are describing

[silk thicket]

Ye

[brisk hill]

Team fight style focus with & guy in max hybrid pile

[restive storm]

Also worth considering w have fairly effective rag gear rn, like if you’re in that set you’re still risking an ags maul from a guy in mixed hide lmao

That’s a big payoff for a Hail Mary that plenty of people would go for

[silk thicket]

Ye ppl spec tab that all day

But honestly I think bh world pk has potential to be bigger

If people just went there

Rev caves etc

Set up baits

Fight ppl

[restive storm]

There’s no reason they’d ever go there cuz u can just go other worlds and never die (pvm wise) and with it being 1 world if it ever became active 1 clan would claim the entire world

So that’s why it doesn’t really pop off except for up at mb

[silk thicket]

Ye but it’s the fight ur there for right? One clan tries to hold it down and u fight em

Tbh at mage bank abyss’ team popped up kinda recently

Out of nowhere

Within 2 weeks some new team came to hit them

Cuz they heard they were risking

If teams actually tried it

Other teams would go there for fights

But nobody wants to be the first team to go 319 revs

[restive storm]

Yeah, I do love that style. But 1) I mostly play a pure, and 2) I was more of a smaller team kinda guy. I think biggest trip we ever did was prob like 10-12 people in 5-7 years lol

Things get too annoying for me in disc with 20+, prefer the more chill stuff

[silk thicket]

U can do some damage with 6 ppl

Just gotta coordinate it

Pick ur fights

I bet if u went 319 revs u would see ppl popping up there

Ik rot hit 319 revs sometimes already

Ppl want action cuz they bored of hopping all day

[restive storm]

Yeah the latam clans sometimes bait there as well, but idk just feels not super worth the time, esp since I’d never be able to pull 6 with how many people quit. Hard to convince them to come back to attempt to pk in 1 world

[brisk hill]

That’s all it is though

No incentive for little Timmy

[restive storm]

Cuz if like one big team rn gets a whiff that you’re in bh, they’re gonna hit you. Then what do you do? Just log out and wait til the next day

There isn’t anywhere to hide lol

[brisk hill]

If every world worked that way though

[silk thicket]

I think everyone struggles to pull numbers for it tho, like it’s kinda rare to see huge teams

Like I was fighting some rot members at mb the other week, I think they had 7?

[restive storm]

Right but it only takes 1 to end the entire world in our current scenario

Which is why nobody cares to try

[silk thicket]

Just uh

Keep all 3 bh worlds

[restive storm]

You mass up hit the world, and 20 mins later there’s a bigger team that isn’t worth fighting so now you just log out?

[silk thicket]

Like over Xmas

[restive storm]

3 worlds ain’t really much to keep an eye on especially when there’s nowhere there’d be things to kill anyway

[silk thicket]

Mmm I kinda enjoy fighting even outnumbered but ik it’s not for everybody

Getting tb’d and getting log is more fun than hopping worlds for me

I get u for sure

What was the justification for the change ?

Anyway can we just add the tele change but only in singles and only if risk is below some threshold thanks 👍

0 legitimate reason to be returning endlessly in 20k risk in singles

[restive storm]

Just cuz there’s no pker v pker fights that really take place anymore. You basically can kill pvmers or pray you find a person every other hour, only for them or you to freeze log 200 dmg in once you’ve sized each other up

Nobody gets into it cuz the skill ceiling is too high and it’s more of a sweat fest than ever

[silk thicket]

Yeye I mean what reason did they give at the time

For removing pjing

[restive storm]

Uhhh I don’t even remember tbh, something about it not being “fair”?

[brisk hill]

Because teams of 25 did hunt teams of 6

[restive storm]

Meanwhile my pure just gets bullied by meds/moons/mains everywhere cuz they shove everything in 30+ wild. Very fair

[brisk hill]

But thats the case in multi too

Big fish will always eat smaller fish

[brisk hill]

But at least in these scenarios you had 6 fellas to potentially save you

[restive storm]

Yeah I’m not rly mad about that, more so that they hide behind wanting things to be “fair” when they aren’t actually fair nor should they be

[brisk hill]

Now you don’t

It’s just freeze escape or gf

[silk thicket]

Ye no such thing as fair fight

[brisk hill]

I actually think we could get pj timer reversed if we convinced Reddit their biggest plight with PvP (Hunter vs hunted) is because of said pj timer

But you’d have to explain it with black background & yellow text or they won’t understand

[restive storm]

This has really been my angle, cuz whether or not they’re smart enough to realize it things are worse for them now than they were before 😂

[silk thicket]

Aight I’ve got it boys

[restive storm]

Although idk, they have less chance than ever of surviving a pker, but there’s so few pkers

So maybe things aren’t worse? But the Wildy is def not healthy with no pkers lol

[silk thicket]

• restrict wildy to 100 worlds or something
• pkers find each other instantly
• if pker is hitting poor ironman another vigilante pker will see and save the ironman
• pkers get to fight pkers ironmen get to chill

Ofc they can flame the pker after the first hit, as is customary

[brisk hill]

just allow skull to pj skull

Wouldn’t solve all things but would be a start to solving Hunter v hunted

[restive storm]

Yes that’s absolutely the best way to start this

[silk thicket]

Unskull rag meta

But it’s decent

[restive storm]

Plus increase incentives for all skulls everywhere alongside it

Since it’d actually be dangerous again

[silk thicket]

Ye and means u can pj

Higher risk higher reward

[restive storm]

Yeah that’s what I’m sayin

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1395220441550950532

This thread exactly

[brisk hill]

Play devils advocate youth

Though *

What doesn’t it solve

I’m asking, don’t have that answer

[restive storm]

Gives pkers more opportunity to hit each other

If you’re going to go hunt pvmers im gonna hunt you kinda thing

[silk thicket]

Unskull outlast rag

[restive storm]

Ideally increasing skulled loot Wildy wide would incentivize pvmers skillers to actually skull

[restive storm]

I mean you just wouldn’t hit the four item unskullers in that case if you’re worried about that

[brisk hill]

4 item rag will always be a thing; idk if fixable

Other than auto skull but that punishes everyone

[silk thicket]

Skull misclicks unsk
Unsk outlast set drains supps
Sk can’t log cuz pjd

Cuz unsk can’t be pj’d off

Or

[restive storm]

Skull prev? If you don’t wanna skull lol

[silk thicket]

I mean messing around to get the skuller to hit the unskuller

Then unskuller can’t be pj’d off

[brisk hill]

Think he means unsk raggers could just bait until maxer logs in

[silk thicket]

So stays on forever

Could cape and have skullers log in to hit if he tries to freeze log

Stuff like that would be annoying

[restive storm]

Yeah this is possible I guess, but if you’re focusing unskulled raggers shouldn’t you expect it to be a bait?

[brisk hill]

D boots cry shield & t helm looks like good loot to an untrained eye l0l

[restive storm]

I guess but we literally already have this right now lol

Untrained eye issue

[brisk hill]

Agree

Devils advocate

[restive storm]

Yea fair, but idk, at least pkers are fighting each other?

[brisk hill]

And that’s more than what we got now

[silk thicket]

Except freeze log is possible rn

[restive storm]

And in your example if the guy was tryina freeze log and another Skuller logs in to stop him, then that guy could get pjd off and someone can take the unskulled guy

So it’s not like that’s a bulletproof method either

[silk thicket]

True

[restive storm]

Then there’s TWO pker v pker fights going on in the same world at the same time when was the last time you seen that not in 304/319

[brisk hill]

🤣

Stop the changes implemented have made a thriving wilderness!!!

[restive storm]

Craziest part is only drawbacks was that there’s more pkers hitting each other 😂 pvmers should insta vote yes

[tender peak]

sarachnis instance

unlimited whistle, too

[brisk hill]

I’ve figured out the flaw 😔

[tender harness]

just remove the discount for irons first

[kind surge]

discount is unnecessary with how much gp gets fed to you nowadays

[tender peak]

I don't care about ironman discounts either way I'm just glad I no longer have to hop for 20 minutes whenever I get a sarachnis task

[kind surge]

ye it's just a very minor thing

[tender peak]

well, if it passes

[kind surge]

it will

[silk thicket]

Can we add the teleport change with these restrictions:

• if skulled and u die to pker
• and losing < some gp threshold
• only in singles
• potentially make the timer longer as u continue to return
  There’s no legitimate reason to endlessly return in 20k risk 👍

Why it doesn’t affect ironmen:

• pvmers risk at least a mill
• pvmers aren’t instantly returning and don’t need to
• drop ur clue and it stays for an hour
• ppl bring a full rune pouch and 50m of tele scrolls anyway

[tacit wharf]

can finally add it to my list of monsters i can greenlog now

[ember token]

i'm voting no to sarachnis instances on all 50k of my accounts i just bonded up

sorry guys

[fossil epoch]

Always knew you had that many accounts

[silk thicket]

Doesn’t affect multi wars either gg

Only affects raggers

[meager flame]

pvmers do not risk at least a mil lol

[silk thicket]

Ez change

[tender peak]

"pvmers risk at least a mil"

[silk thicket]

They usually risk more than raggers lmao

500k for sure

Mystic sets at Callisto

Plus looting bag

Rev cave ether

Etc

[meager flame]

idk when i had my iron setup for vw

[silk thicket]

They will never be under the threshold

[meager flame]

im pretty sure if you killed me you would've gotten like 80k

granted i never got attacked bc scout anyways but

[tender peak]

man I risk monk robes and prayer pots idk what you're on about

[brisk hill]

Taking rev weapon into wild is at least 400k bc of ether so it’s not rly out of the question.
But you guys are getting held up on the par that doesn’t even matter lol

Pvmers wouldn’t be affected

Would just be skull pkers

Lock in man

[silk thicket]

Lemme edit that in rq

[meager flame]

ya i just feel like the return set should just be mandated like

300k risk or something

[brisk hill]

Issue is pures exist

Even in “max” elder robes are less than 300k rn

[meager flame]

i do agree thats kind of a problem but im not really sure how to solve it

[ember token]

full set of elder chaos is over 400k atm

[tacit wharf]

tiered to combat level?

[meager flame]

unless they expect them to run out there looking like clowns wearing some clue items or something

[brisk hill]

Ye but pures don’t risk it be half that in multi

[tacit wharf]

whats a pure's max combat level?

[brisk hill]

Depends what kinda pure

But 88 for 75 atk

[restive storm]

83 is max 60 attack

[meager flame]

tbh

maybe thats fine though

just tell them to get elder chaos robes or go away

probably be happier pking something than getting your favorite monk robes

[brisk hill]

It’s not even monk robes fella who never pk’d before

It’s ghostly robes

Which are untradeable

[meager flame]

ya i know its an exaggeration

[restive storm]

“Let’s kill pure clanning that’s been around for 20years” 👍

[brisk hill]

😂

[meager flame]

basically make them risk something instead of nothing

[restive storm]

But wait the QUETZAL WHISTLE!!!!!

[meager flame]

although i guess it would suck if you're the guy on the pure team that just dies automatically

[brisk hill]

Who cares PvPers are just incels anyways 🤓

[meager flame]

instead of getting kills but idk if thats really that huge of a deal

[restive storm]

Man do you play a pure? Pures die instantly there’s a reason they wear piss

[meager flame]

its probably hard to not get some kills with pure clans warring

[brisk hill]

Idt this fella has pk’d ever

[meager flame]

ya thats kinda the point

you die but they also die

[brisk hill]

I’d take you one day

[meager flame]

everyone is getting keys

[brisk hill]

If you wanna get some experience

[silk thicket]

Only in singles tho

Make it like 100k

[restive storm]

No teleport timer at all for singles, doesn’t make any sense

[silk thicket]

DDs ancient staff is most the way there

[brisk hill]

True & untrades would cover rest of it

[silk thicket]

Y not

[restive storm]

Nobody is even doing that to the point that it’s a waste of dev time making, it isn’t solving any issue

[meager flame]

tbf it does solve some issues with pures depending on who you are

like i always kind of thought it sucked fighting 1 def guys unless you agreed to risk at the ge

[brisk hill]

All timers are circumvented by alts btw

[meager flame]

because like yeah sure you're playing the game but nobody is usually getting anything

[brisk hill]

They don’t fix anything

[meager flame]

you're just fighting to fight a lot of the time

its not as much of a thing with different brackets though since theres some inherent small risk

[restive storm]

I mean I top roped this guy yday for the lot

But yeah if I didn’t get the smite the “maxer” is like 10m

[brisk hill]

10m on a pure though where the wind can KO you

Not bad

[meager flame]

yeah but that guy is fine he has plenty of risk to make things fun

a lot of people dont do that though

[restive storm]

Yeah agreed, like 90% of people that hit my bait I just freeze logged on cuz I cba

Waste of time

This was the other poor feller that also got smited last night

[brisk hill]

Did he have a torso

[restive storm]

Naw fire cape

[brisk hill]

Saw a fella similar setup but torso

[restive storm]

I think can’t rly remember

[merry smelt]

The thing with pures is the advantage in wearing a 10m set vs 300k set is nothing lol

Like you're still gonna get stacked out by a dds, Gmaul or claw spec

[brisk hill]

Gmaul is 50/50 KO on 1 def if off prayer so yea I agree

[merry smelt]

I'm not involved with the pure clan scene but I'd imagine they lose a lot of sets in a big return fight lol

Be silly to ask them to double or triple their risk just because mains like to return in rag sets

[brisk hill]

That’s the thing. Idk if taking the ability to risk nothing in hopes of achieving X is a bad thing

Rag returning is different imo

But some ppl have agendas in wildy where they don’t want to risk anything. So be it, don’t punish them

Rag to riches pk in multi revs used to be so fun

[merry smelt]

Yeah I don't care if a clan is in rag, I might down gear to match them but it's not gonna get me all bothered by it

[merry smelt]

It's still fun to do lol just don't have multi revs as a spot

[brisk hill]

Takes 4 days rather than 2 hours

[restive storm]

All multi content being designed so badly that it currently takes ~35-40 seconds at minimum to check one world has killed my desire to ever go there

[meager flame]

i just think its interesting because its kind of more about how much gp these people typically have to begin with

[merry smelt]

We've done salamander events before where you build your set based off what you pk starting with a salamander. Similar to what the content creators do. Sometimes it feels like people forget this is a video game lol we are ment to be having fun

[meager flame]

like if 2 clans are returning fighting and one side isn't just getting absolutely blown out

[restive storm]

And then since people like me have no interest we just have the little lvl 50-70 Latin American clans all that have like 10k Callisto kc cuz nobody bothers killing them

[meager flame]

the gp is kind of just trading back and forth

so the sets long term probably shouldn't really matter

[brisk hill]

Most loot gets destroyed in big wars

Nobody really banks

Dedicated members I mean

[restive storm]

^ yeah that

[meager flame]

ya

a lot of keys and shit eventually get left behind

[restive storm]

You aren’t pking to make money in those wars lol

[brisk hill]

So keys get traded back & forth & id say 90% of the time destroyed

[meager flame]

but idk if thats exactly bad so it circles back to what i was saying about how much gp they typically have

[restive storm]

Imagine teleing out to bank keys in a war

[meager flame]

because if you start destroying everything at scale assuming this happens

it might not happen enough with the pop tbf

the items themselves probably start increasing in value

[brisk hill]

Good clans would remove

[meager flame]

i mean they might change their minds depending on the actual value too

im sure part of that choice is just that they legit dont have enough gp/risk to care about banking

so its just all about the fight

[restive storm]

We’ve kicked people for doing it in singles over banking some stupid stuff rather than helping maxers escape etc 😂

[meager flame]

ya thats what i mean though like if some guy was out there looting rags and trying to bank it everyone is pissed

[brisk hill]

Yea this. Fight more important than 1m. Can pk 1m any other time, so clear the fight

[meager flame]

i bet if he kills some guy that risked an ely or something though and got the fuck out of there

nobody would really be mad at it

[merry smelt]

A pneck or brew in a return fight is worth more than someone's 1m key lol

[brisk hill]

Restores these days

[merry smelt]

Yeah those too lol

[brisk hill]

Feel like I smite myself a lot

Gg!

[meager flame]

thats actually low key a problem for the whole game

potions have been insane for awhile now

[brisk hill]

Blighted makes PvP cheap

[restive storm]

Yeah in singles it was a little easier cuz like we’re not gonna kick a little Timmy if he’s banking cuz he smited his first ever ags, but if you’re someone whose usually focusing and you’re banking like a 2m kill rather than helping your other maxers tank a tb then yeah you’re just selfish

[brisk hill]

Blighted brews when

[merry smelt]

Blighted brews would be great

[restive storm]

Omg the skillers would lose it

Brews to 2k ea

[brisk hill]

Please follow the trend of half the price omfggg

[merry smelt]

They have no idea just how much brews pkers go through lil

[brisk hill]

I’m stocking up on blighted food bc that shit beyond cheap

[meager flame]

im kinda surprised they went with blighted stuff as an idea

it makes sense because pvm supplies are stupid

[brisk hill]

Same but don’t change their mind

[meager flame]

it just seems like they probably should've solved it for the whole game like new content comes out and sure i can buy whatever

[merry smelt]

It's a good way to add drops from wildy pvm content without tanking the normal market

[meager flame]

but i just feel like new players are probably just getting bent over trying to buy brews and so on

[restive storm]

I mean why would a new player need brews anyway

[meager flame]

i mean they're good for all kinds of stuff

same with restores/prayer pots

restores hit almost 20k in the past year at one point

lmao im just imagining these guys trying to get into their first boss or whatever that recommends using this stuff and the potions are costing more than their trips are making before they see a unique

and stuff like that

[restive storm]

Restores yeah, brews tho not that useful to new players

[brisk hill]

if u arent brewing/stat draining, you arent restoring

restores are a noob trap (there's a lot in all MMO's)

[meager flame]

ya but thats generally what they're gonna do when they meet anything that asks you to use it

they'll have supercombats brews restores and a few hard food

even your basic prayer pot isn't too far behind unfortunately

at least it is cheaper though

[brisk hill]

idk im not an elite tier pvmer so i wont speak on it

but if youd like wildy opinions pls lmk 👍

[meager flame]

its not even really for like elite pvming or anything we make crazy gp/hr so its fine

its mostly about people who don't but are trying to get into it running into what it looks like when new content comes out and we start buying all the supplies

jagex has talked about it a few times recently where basically the game is getting increasingly top heavy i guess is a good way to describe it

where the people with a lot of gp are just getting further and further away from what is normal and the gap is just kind of getting too wide

[restive storm]

10% ge tax pls

I’ll see yall in w2 fally

[meager flame]

tbh i'd go back to trading like that if i could lmao

ge is too easy though for people to accept that change

[restive storm]

Tax needs to be high enough to actually encourage trade imo, but not so high that nobody would ever use it

[hard axle]

No, discouraging use of GE kills a massive gold sink

There’s a reason why they have a cap on tax per item

[vivid ruin]

I 💯 agree. I feel like the ge ruined social aspects of the game that defined rs back in the day.

[limber creek]

we're holding off on the wilderness update.
Ya don't say jagex..... but on the other hand fight pits baby! Lets go.
If you dont like the new fight pits you're a hater. Its better than any multi revs. its in a cool area of lava and fire.
lets go jagex! 2026 year of the pvper baby! (Make sure to give irons a lot of free shit as you always do)

[ember grove]

growing up and not wanting to spend 2 hours finding guys for everything killed that social aspect with trades, the ge made it bearable

trading sucked and there's a damn good reason they added the ge back so soon after osrs' release

[scarlet dawn]

Gratz pkers!

[ember grove]

I cannot imagine giving enough of a damn about the fight pits to not hit "skip" on that vote and I imagine anyone not doing clan events there feels exactly the same way lol

[vivid ruin]

They added it back for efficiency. Which isnt always good

[meager flame]

i mean it depends right like for example

[limber creek]

There are 7 sailing channels and i did nothing but salvage to 99.

Good thing we have a few pvp channels to make up for it!

[meager flame]

if you're playing an iron and a quest tells you to get a knife and you dont have one

[scarlet dawn]

This is the new pvp channel - unfortunate for them

[meager flame]

thats a really quick fix and that's what you would've done previously before the ge on any account

but the ge just lets you buy that like 5 gp item or whatever instantly

[limber creek]

The game is entirely centered around ironmen and 2026 is the year im complaining about it more than ever.

[meager flame]

you'd really only go to world 2 to buy something specific like

i want a whip so im going to falador park near where they used to sell dchains

still pretty quick but its just a different vibe

[small anvil]

Nostalgia is nice and all but people would hate it

[limber creek]

This is pvp chat please calm down about the ge.

You cannot pk the bankers nor the grand exchangers. smh.

[small anvil]

They could do a week without ge as a throw back but like nah

[meager flame]

i think the hardest part would just be people learning where to go and getting over that kind of learning curve with it

because if you didn't already know it would just take time

[dawn jackal]

you go to the runelite plugin that would be made lickity split lmao

[small anvil]

Do you want people sitting around selling stuff as their principal activity in game?

Like is that an activity game devs should promote as a key feature of the same

Game

[meager flame]

sort of? that actually was a gameplay style some people liked

[small anvil]

The answer is obviously no

[meager flame]

but thats not how it was as a regular player

[dawn jackal]

the issue to me is that trading very quickly moves onto 3rd party platforms

[ember grove]

I mean

it was a gameplay style enough people hated that OSRS was in the gutter playerbase wise for a while

[meager flame]

basically how it really went in 2007 if you had been playing and knew what you were doing

[small anvil]

Also like way more scams that way

[brisk hill]

isnt there a youtuber tht only merches lol

flippingoldschool

[meager flame]

you'd teleport fally get on w2 probably spam login for a few mins bc its full

[small anvil]

They do more than merch

[meager flame]

run down to where you know people are always buying/selling said items you're trying to sell

[small anvil]

In fact they have a pvm series

[meager flame]

and you probably find a guy in like

5 minutes at most probably less

trade

hopefully pay enough attention to not get scammed

and you're out

[small anvil]

And what do you think the margin is

[brisk hill]

i just remember his flipping vids from a few yrs ago 👍

[small anvil]

When you have to pay someone to stand around

Instead of passive merching on ge

[meager flame]

its definitely slower but also

its not like it was taking hours

[small anvil]

The margin between buy and sell has to be insane

[limber creek]

we're seriously talking about removing the grand exchange.
When they still haven't added multi revs
and added a 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness.

[small anvil]

To pay these people to stand around

It's just nostalgia glasses

[restive storm]

Sorry you’re right I’ll get back on subject

[small anvil]

It isn't better in any way

[restive storm]

Remove pj timer pls so I don’t have to play the game like the friendless ironmen

[meager flame]

thats not true its not as efficient but it was more social and felt like a different game

[small anvil]

It's like wanting to go back to the good old days and not realizing the old days sucked

[meager flame]

some people would genuinely prefer that

i mean

some people right now play the game on accounts that cant trade to begin with

[limber creek]

you had your days of pj timer to talk about and a whole world to play out that fantasy on.
You know what we don't have?
Multi revs and a 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness.

[meager flame]

im pretty sure getting multi revs would take an act of god

[restive storm]

Also bring back multi revs

[limber creek]

Hell yall were in here talking about voidwaker for pvm the other day.
when its the best pvp spec in the game.

[meager flame]

theres too many good reasons to not do multi revs lol

they deleted for a reason

[limber creek]

Lets hear your thoughts turkey.

[restive storm]

There’s literally 0 reasons to NOT do multi revs

[limber creek]

I wanna see what you think my homie.

[meager flame]

i mean you're gonna have to argue with the guys that got rid of it to begin with

[brisk hill]

multi revs locked behind 90 sailing can only escape via boat introducing boat pvp

[restive storm]

Even they admit they were wrong

[meager flame]

they have a whole post explaining why somewhere im sure

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

In the torvesta skill specs podcast they say they were wrong lol

[brisk hill]

im rdy to smite a dragon cannon barrell

[limber creek]

Im not worried about Kareem right now. Hes a cool guy actually. Even if he did get rid of revs for us 🙁

[meager flame]

i mean that podcast has 0 developers on it afaik

just cms and streamers right

or did they have another

[limber creek]

So you have no personal opinions and are just parroting a streamer?

[restive storm]

Yeah but do you think the people who wrote the blogs don’t talk to the team?

[limber creek]

Gee i wonder where ive saw that before.

[meager flame]

oh they do but they also say some crazy shit so i dont take them that seriously

it would be different if it were kiren or something

[limber creek]

So you have no opinions on multi revs of your own though? Thats the question

[restive storm]

Idk if Kieran has ever spoken a word about pvp even back in his content creator days

[meager flame]

i mean my honest opinion on revs is that it shouldn't exist

no requirement gp/alch printers are stupid

[limber creek]

Explain how its no requirement.

[meager flame]

well saying its no requirement isn't completely correct but its more like very low effort accounts risking rags + 100k entry gaining tons of loot for basically no gameplay other than sitting in a safespot and logging or playing the numbers game in a faster spot

dying occasionally but generally coming out way ahead

[scarlet dawn]

I wonder through which communication channels have they received sufficient feedback to pause the teleport changes lol. In here it is just say 3 to 6 pkers that are against it.

[meager flame]

hence why suicide bots fly in immediately

[brisk hill]

DM's surely

[restive storm]

But we know our stuff

[meager flame]

its like the chaos altar

[scarlet dawn]

Without doubt lol

[limber creek]

A streamer dm'ed em lmao.

[meager flame]

its just so good it doesn't matter if you get pked

[zinc galleon]

i actually wouldn't be surprised if there is more money coming from zombie pirates then rev caves right now, would love to see the statistics if jagex has them

[scarlet dawn]

How couldn't I think of that..!

[meager flame]

ya thats the theme with a lot of wilderness content

and why it usually ends up getting nerfed/deleted by jagex

[limber creek]

Have yall seen zombie pirates lately lmao?

Its funny asf

4-5 low level bots every single world.

[brisk hill]

id argue that you are correct, especially longterm

[silk thicket]

Singles only

[limber creek]

Great money if you're a pure or something akin. I cant touch any as a main lol.

[brisk hill]

nobody hunts zombie pirates leaving them basically free of pkers

multi revs at least got ran through umltiple times an hour

[meager flame]

its because jagex has to keep lowering the risk but upping the reward to beg people to come interact with the content

[silk thicket]

This what I said originally

Can we add the teleport change with these restrictions:

• if skulled and u die to pker
• and losing < some gp threshold
• only in singles
• potentially make the timer longer as u continue to return
  There’s no legitimate reason to endlessly return in 20k risk 👍

Why it doesn’t affect ironmen:

• pvmers risk their looting bags
• pvmers aren’t instantly returning and don’t need to
• drop ur clue and it stays for an hour
• ppl bring a full rune pouch and 50m of tele scrolls anyway

If ppl wanna rag on alts to bypass just ban all their accounts

Cuz it’s clearly malicious

[zinc galleon]

to increase the risk for zombie pirates all they gotta do is stop the npcs from ragging everyone else

[brisk hill]

the tb thing is a good idea, but it needs to be 20 wild lylvs higher

[silk thicket]

Ima just edit the pvmer risking a mill thing before ppl get hung up on that

[meager flame]

yeah its not even that hard to adjust some of this stuff lol this is why people always throw out some conspiracy that some jmod is running the bot farms

[brisk hill]

was* not is

[limber creek]

Put zombie pirates in 30 wilderness and i bet its activity soared lol.

[brisk hill]

if zombie pirates got put in 30 wildy, id say remove the constant tb

[meager flame]

because a lot of the time its that or they're actually just not very clever to put it nicely

[zinc galleon]

removing rag mechanics from multi bosses as well as zombie pirates would make them more dangerous and more active i imagine

[limber creek]

w/ or w/o the tb is kinda meaningless if you can't attack any targets within an area. Granted thats my own restriction ebing a 126.

[zinc galleon]

yeah, maybe they can leave the tb mechanic there

[meager flame]

the issue though is that when you start sort of properly balancing the wild and making people risk to get the rewards

[restive storm]

It’s more so because it’s unbearable to pk there

[meager flame]

a lot of those people just stop doing the content

[brisk hill]

would be hard, youd have to provide another means of escape other than teleporting then

in lvl 7 wild it works because its: lvl 7 wild

just run south and escape

[zinc galleon]

yeah, i mean leave the tb mechanic but not increase the lvl wildy

[meager flame]

this stuff is why they just need a new direction for wilderness content though

[zinc galleon]

or, make it so you can't tele out of the island until you cross bridge

[meager flame]

if people wont play unless the risk is so low you can't really lose long term even if you tried

something is just wrong

[zinc galleon]

but they need to add more bridges i think, on east and west, or agi short cuts

[restive storm]

Pirates would be fine if you could just normally hop there, pures would likely actually just one hit all the bots

[meager flame]

ya im sure the problem jagex sees here though is that the people doing zombie pirates

[brisk hill]

yeah - missing the safespot in the middle of altar rn

[restive storm]

Agi shortcuts are good too

[meager flame]

just wouldn't do the pirates

if they could die easily/often

and then nobody is pking anything

[brisk hill]

so put it in lvl 7 and let bots farm it

[meager flame]

ya that seems to be as far as jagex brain goes

[zinc galleon]

at that point, i think people would just show up - it just needs momentum to become a pvp zone

[restive storm]

Nobody that’s a human is doing them anyway

[zinc galleon]

for example no one is burying bones at 304 altar, but people show up

[meager flame]

thats the root cause of the problem though they're providing people for you to try to kill or bots who are motivated purely by how easy/lucrative the activity is

and if that's all they can do idk they're probably just fucked

[restive storm]

The root cause of what problem?

[meager flame]

why the wilderness content direction seems to just be

low risk high reward bot summoning content so you guys have stuff to hit

[silk thicket]

Ppl hop altar just to fight

I don’t think places to pk is the issue

[meager flame]

oh im sure the people who want to fight are looking for other people who are trying to kill the bots etc in a big food chain

[silk thicket]

Ppl hit pvmers and bots cuz they bored trying to fight pkers

Or hitting bots to learn

[meager flame]

but if you kick the bottom rung out eventually it would mostly collapse and people would fight in a couple specific spots

and there would be a lot less of them

[restive storm]

They used to be at least , that only happens in multi now

Which is why singles is dead there may as well be no bottom rung

[silk thicket]

Ye nobody hopping at pirates lmao

Ppl hop Rev caves cuz other people hop Rev caves

[meager flame]

ya there is no bottom rung when its too easy to get away

[silk thicket]

Ppl hop altar cuz other people hop altar

There’s like 3 people at altar for the 30k keys

[floral blaze]

Multi Revs 2030 🤞

[meager flame]

idk when i get 99 prayer i see a lot of dudes but a lot of them are pretty sad lol

[hasty shard]

altar also just has people in 0 gear that can be worth like 50k gp

[meager flame]

you do see the people actually fighting though too

[silk thicket]

Ye

It’s a pk spot

Don’t need insane money makers

Just need pkers to find each other

[meager flame]

ya i think chaos altar is the least offensive method even though its still kinda cheesy

[hasty shard]

id kinda want to see vulcu added from that game jam

[meager flame]

at least its not actually producing all the loot though

[hasty shard]

actual team pvm content in multi would be interesting

[meager flame]

its players bringing the loot from the rest of the game to the altar at the basic level

which is much more healthy

[scarlet dawn]

Unfortunately its the wildy content that plays a part in this

[quasi glade]

All the wilderness content can be done in zero risk or it's very annoying to pk at

[silk thicket]

Largely disagree

[restive storm]

This

[quasi glade]

Neither promotes activity

[meager flame]

i mean it sort of does thats foundationally how a lot of it works

[silk thicket]

Ppl aren’t hopping in barrows max to hit boners with 20 dragon bones

[meager flame]

like the chaos altar would be dead if it wasn't so good compared to the risk

[scarlet dawn]

Yup, pkers pking pvmers/bots, actual pkers pking the botkillers/pvmers

[silk thicket]

Disagree

[quasi glade]

Yeah people are going to kill the people killing the boners?

[meager flame]

it would be like it was way back where people just sat around nearby because an altar to recharge prayer is kinda good but not that big of a deal

[restive storm]

I just wanna hit the bot killers off the bots/pvmers

[silk thicket]

Like hardly anyone is there for the boners

[meager flame]

but its still a point of interest compared to the middle of nowhere

[scarlet dawn]

Now there is a group of actual pkers that are out there pking actual pkers, but these locations are somewhat near the pvm content

[silk thicket]

It’s like 200k/h

[quasi glade]

Some people are!

TBH chaos altar is quite a dead place anyway

[silk thicket]

Wasn’t 44 ports a hotspot pre altar

[quasi glade]

Yeah because of kbd..

[restive storm]

Pre pj timer yes

[quasi glade]

Close to escape

[silk thicket]

Exactly

[restive storm]

And multi revs entrance when teles were expensive

[zinc galleon]

remember when people would sit on the hill next to burning amulet teleport

[quasi glade]

Content in the wilderness is where people would group for pking

That's exactly how it works

You dont see anybody hopping inside the lava maze

[scarlet dawn]

Now imagine f2p without any potential hotspot for moneymaking, back in the day you would roam around and you would see anybody. Unfortunately this doesnt work for p2p.

[quasi glade]

Was also a very different era!

[meager flame]

ya back then people just ran around to run around

[quasi glade]

Jagex has strayed so far away from what the wilderness is it's killing it

[meager flame]

like you could be walking north of the lava maze and get pked by 6 guys in green d'hide

[quasi glade]

Now it's catered to people that dont ever want to be in the wilderness

[meager flame]

for no apparent reason

that doesn't really happen anymore

[quasi glade]

Jagex has taken the approach that the pvpers dont matter and wilderness should be fun for pvmers

Which is entirely wrong

[meager flame]

ya thats what i dont like but idk how you fix it now because they just spent like 13? years working on making it that way

and also offloaded a lot of different ways to pvp to other areas

like instead of edge its bh or ge on pvp worlds

[quasi glade]

I mean the wilderness was active between 2018 - 2021

and

2013 - 2016

[meager flame]

idk if i've even been attacked at mage bank in

who knows how long

[icy relic]

what is this revisionist history though

[quasi glade]

What revisionist history

[icy relic]

they made wildy bosses to try to give more targets for pkers

[quasi glade]

Yeah and then people target those pkers?

Do you not understand how a food chain works

[brisk hill]

escape caves deter pvmers & pkers alike

[icy relic]

that is a downstream effect of a bad ecosystem

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah revs was a nice idea, but a pvm content being part around of pvp is meh

[quasi glade]

Wilderness bosses have been in the game since 2013 too

[meager flame]

idk why all of the changes weren't like

[ember grove]

tbf wildy bosses prerework were mostly people laughing at noobs who wandered into callisto

[meager flame]

heres how we make pvp fun for people actively fighting each other

[quasi glade]

2014*

[meager flame]

like they almost never release an update aimed at that

[icy relic]

it's hard to organically encourage people to participate in wildy pvp when setups are more and more expensive

[scarlet dawn]

This

[icy relic]

a lot of people fundamentally do not want to participate in winner-takes-all

[quasi glade]

Ok so why is the wilderness catering to those people?

Im confused

Wilderness is the safest it's ever been

[meager flame]

i mean thats fixable too like they have clan wars for example

why not work on that until people actually you know

want to use it for a clan war

[icy relic]

CW was very active during the non free trade era

[quasi glade]

Nobody cares about clan wars in 2026

No jcup nobody seriously cares

[meager flame]

ya thats the problem though

people could care

but they just dont do anything to make it fun

[quasi glade]

They would but jagex discontinued it

Not us!

[icy relic]

jagex could support like 20v20 in a monthly tournament format

instead of giving bot content

[quasi glade]

They could but they wont

lol

Lets just make the wilderness safer instead

[icy relic]

just brainstorming

[restive storm]

More people cared and participated before the pj timer so may as well delete it and at least then more people would participate

[ember grove]

they're trying to balance "the majority of pvmers fucking hate the wildy" and "we need pvmer bait for pkers" and they've not given a fuck about the rest of the ecosystem for a long, long while

helping pkers get fights is completely awol

[icy relic]

I don't think the wildy bosses should exist either fwiw

[quasi glade]

Is their approach

That's a horrible approach since these been content in the wilderness since 2006

[icy relic]

I mean BH exists but a lot of pkers don't want to risk fight/dharok roulette either

so what do you do

[quasi glade]

There has never been an era where there was nothing in the wilderness

[floral blaze]

Games gone

[scarlet dawn]

Now you either wait for intel from a spy you pay with RSGP (or other irl currency), you place scouts near wildy bosses or you actually ask the other clan to have a 'clean' 1v1 somewhere.

[icy relic]

a lot of early wildy was just sitting in low wildy rushing people

[meager flame]

well okay nothing sure that didn't happen but there was a huge era where it was basically clues, the zamorak mage and a boss nobody had a reason to go to

[icy relic]

that is never coming back

[quasi glade]

Why?

[meager flame]

and mage bank i suppose

[quasi glade]

Alot of early wilderness in 2004?

Im talking about recent years in 2013-2016 and 2018 - 2021

It WAS active

[restive storm]

Nobody here is asking for that lol

[quasi glade]

You might've not liked it but it WAS active

People did like it

[icy relic]

they would have to fix the botting issue

[quasi glade]

Thats just a blanket statement

lmfao

[icy relic]

which is also plaguing LMS, the only other safe pvp option

[quasi glade]

Fix botting lol

come on guys fix it

No game in history has fixed botting

[meager flame]

i mean they wouldn't have a botting issue for the wild if they could figure out how to make things fun instead of driving people out there purely because some method is a lot of gp compared to the effort or a lot of exp while they risk not much

[restive storm]

The botting issue isn’t even remotely afffecting what we’re talking about. Botting is worse now because the timer is in the game and that’s unquestionable

[brisk hill]

just bc its botted doesnt mean it shouldnt get updates. if thats the case why is raids 4 beigg developed

[meager flame]

they're kinda designing the wild for bots as is

[quasi glade]

Yeah botting is worse now than when they changed pj timer and introduced single revs

They've designed the wilderness against our advice and kept making it safer

Realise the only people who asked for single wilderness bosses were the pvmers

[restive storm]

At least five if not 10x worse

[quasi glade]

Not the pvpers

[icy relic]

I'm not disagreeing with you, they add shit to draw PvMers in and then the PvMers complain that they're forced to do wildy content

[meager flame]

ya they asked for that though because they honestly didn't want to be there to begin with but felt they should get a vw

and jagex probably just shouldn't have included them in the wild to begin with

[floral blaze]

Singles bosses were a mistake

[quasi glade]

Like your mentoning all these botting areas like the pvpers asked for it

It was the pvmers

[icy relic]

on our gim we did like 25k revs

died maybe 4-5 times total

[meager flame]

this is why like i said the other day

[icy relic]

grinded 2 vws with basically no meaningful deaths

[meager flame]

the real problem is jagex

[quasi glade]

They only listen to the pvmers to make content safer for them

[meager flame]

they're trying to force something that the players dont even really want

and getting the bs that we have now as a result

[quasi glade]

Disregarding how it will be 6months down the line when its botted to shit because they've made it safe

[hasty shard]

mfw ‘30x alching’

[icy relic]

it's not even that they're listening to the pvmers, they don't want wildy bosses either

[meager flame]

the slop of compromise

[icy relic]

they just keep trying to bait people who don't want to do wildy content into forcing them to do wildy content

[quasi glade]

False

[icy relic]

all it does is create more bottable shit

[quasi glade]

Wilderness bosses have been in the game since 2014

lmao

[meager flame]

tbf wilderness bosses were dumb then too

[quasi glade]

Yeah

[meager flame]

just slap them in the safespot and risk nothing

[quasi glade]

but there was also content in rs3 in the wilderness

the statement that nothing should be in the wilderness

is horrible

and caters to pvmers still

[meager flame]

there should be content

it should just be for people who actually want to pvp

[quasi glade]

No the content should create a food chain

[meager flame]

then you get what we have rn

[quasi glade]

the wilderness shouldnt be 100% enjoyable by every1

No it isnt

[hasty shard]

they should probably just get their normal balancing team to do wildy content versus communing with who i can only assume is still jed considering the update quality 😭

[meager flame]

jagex isn't going to release content and then ignore tons of the people participating and say no its supposed to be like this

everything they do is compromise and feedback

so if you summon the pvmers they're going to lobby for and get change

[quasi glade]

I mean just nobody in the jmod team pvps actively

[brisk hill]

compromised towards one bias

[meager flame]

yeah the bias of the biggest group of people participating

asking for them to all join in on your pvp update is asking for them to change it to how they like it

[quasi glade]

Might aswell delete the wilderness then

Because they'll say that too

lol

[icy relic]

they did do that

in rs3

[quasi glade]

Yeah and look how alive that game is

[scarlet dawn]

Im in favor of removing beneficial content from the wildy, but also reduce the amount of worlds, or wildy only worlds

[meager flame]

its just how it works unfortunately

[brisk hill]

the biggest group of ppl engaging in the wilderness before pj timers and multi revs were pkers lol

[quasi glade]

They've actually lowered the number of pvpers in the wilderness

and increased the amountof pvmers

[brisk hill]

youre catering the wild towards the wrong ppl is the argument

[meager flame]

yeah thats just how its gonna happen if you bring them in

thats why i keep saying figure out how to make pvp fun for people trying to pvp instead of inventing strats to get people who hate it

to participate

its the only way out

[scarlet dawn]

agreed

[quasi glade]

Idk some of you clearly dont understand what the wilderness is

so

w.e

[icy relic]

haven't seen any solutions from the pvp crowd anyway

[quasi glade]

Oh 1sec

what

I just messaged you

2 years of solutions

[meager flame]

i understand jagex though like

[quasi glade]

That they decided not to do

[meager flame]

its way easier to design motivation with reward than it is to design fun

i could get people to do anything by putting rewards on it

but that doesn't mean they're happy

[quasi glade]

I also messaged you two years of solutions turkey one

[scarlet dawn]

The old bounty hunter system seems like one, but I think it had flaws too

[quasi glade]

Reminder that none of that feedback got used

[meager flame]

do you mean the one where they had bonuses for killing people in weird ways and stuff

[quasi glade]

and somehow we got that 2 minute timer

[meager flame]

and then it turned out that people just win traded it and kinda ruined the fun part

[quasi glade]

nobody asked for

[icy relic]

I think there are two separate issues at play here

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah this one, definitely not the current one but the one where BH was throughout wildy

[quasi glade]

Doesn't it tell you something is wrong, that literally nobody i know suggested the timer and somehow they thought it was correct?

[meager flame]

i do agree that they tried to make that one fun and honestly kinda did a good job

[restive storm]

I’ve given the solution 19 times

[icy relic]

One is potential pkers or former pkers who no longer feel like it's worth their time due to bad changes, those people would come back if they added more pvp incentives

[quasi glade]

PVPers have provided solutions for years

Jagex just ignores them

[meager flame]

and then bots/players kinda ruined it because they'd rather profit than play for fun

[floral blaze]

I think we should stick to proven models like multi revs where anybody could participate with ease, it is unanimously regarded as the golden age of wildy pvp for OSRS by pkers. This figuring out shit clearly doesn't work for Jagex. Bring back what worked

[icy relic]

The other is trying to get non-pvpers to learn pvping in the first place

[quasi glade]

and adds a 2minute timer that nobody asked for

[meager flame]

you could probably fix it to clear some of those problems up if you tried hard enough

it would be more restrictive though

[quasi glade]

The 2 minute timer only benefits the pvmers btw

and you wonder why pvpers quit

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah the 2 min timer is a joke, even pausing to revamp the idea is a joke

PKers will just buy more GP

[quasi glade]

Like it should tell you enough about Jagex that they want the wilderness dead

[icy relic]

and I think the latter is impossibly difficult unless they create a completely new ecosystem with elo/matchmaking but that shit always runs into issues with boosting

[quasi glade]

They are willfully ignoring every bit of feedback they get

[limber creek]

I would like to offer the oppurtunity for any jmod that wishes to engage in pvp are more than welcome to join me on a small man trip!
Come join the community and be a part of the REAL SCENE.
I would love to have you!

[meager flame]

i think they have an update right now that actually helps people figure out how to fight each other

[restive storm]

It’s already in the game and nobody does it

[meager flame]

they just sorta ruined it by putting rune pouches and gp rewards into it

lms would be great

[quasi glade]

lms is ass

[meager flame]

not for people who want to play to learn with no risk

[quasi glade]

It's completely different to the actual wilderness

botting and ironman heaven

[meager flame]

ya they're not learning like the exact wilderness experience but they are learning how pvp works

[limber creek]

Lms is not a good indication of pvp as a whole whatsoever.
You have no risk at all.
Every attack guranteed hits on every account build it feels like.
I am not a 75 defence account. I am a main with max combats.

[restive storm]

My beef with it is there’s no thrill of the reward, it’s just kinda boring content but it’s ok for learning switched

[icy relic]

LMS forcing pure fights is definitely unrealistic

[quasi glade]

You notice how most updates catered to ironmen are botted to hell

[silk thicket]

Let us veto pures

[icy relic]

at the end of the day the widly has never been about fair/even fights, there's a different ecosystem for opt-in pvp

[restive storm]

AMEEN remove the pj timer

[quasi glade]

single bosses nobody asked for

[limber creek]

I dont even care about ironmen or differing account builds in 2026.
I just wanna have fun and be able to kill bots that are invading OUR wilderness.

[quasi glade]

single revs

zombie pirates

wbr

[silk thicket]

Agreed but it’s decent place to learn gear swapping initially

[icy relic]

zombie pirates are such dogshit

incredible that passed

[quasi glade]

Nobody in that pvp discord wanted it either

btw

[meager flame]

i cant believe jagex does nothing about the current state of lms though

[quasi glade]

Another update neither community wanted

[meager flame]

like its actually stupid as fuck lol

[icy relic]

how did they even pitch the 30x alch

[quasi glade]

Yet it was rammed down our throats

the emirs area

[icy relic]

do they not have any foresight what that would create

[ionic tartan]

Exactly this. In trying to cater to streamers and make "fair" fights in the wildy, it's really just gotten rid of most PvP "fights" in the wildy.

[quasi glade]

nobody asked for

[ember grove]

Jagex want some kind of paradoxical state where pvmers don't hate them for exclusive wildy content existing but also the wildy is thriving and where it was 20 years ago

so they're sort of flailing at "yeah the wildy existing isn't coherent with what we do designwise now" but they're not gonna remove it for fear of backlash either so they're slowly starving it instead and throwing alchables everywhere in hopes it stops being dead, and I don't even know if they even realize they've made a thing no one wants

[quasi glade]

was rammed down our throats

[meager flame]

ironmen hiding in corners bots afk or turning into the terminator

and a few people actually playing

for each game

and it just sits there with no change

[floral blaze]

They dont.. they have no direction

[restive storm]

“Fair fights” where the jobless/employed via rs people who pk 18 hrs a day free farm everyone else

[limber creek]

Ironmen are the reason the wildernesses only unique are rev weapons and voidwaker.

[meager flame]

they also left the pvp arena in an insane state

[quasi glade]

https://i.imgur.com/iAWsjwq.png

Im i missing anything?

[silk thicket]

It’s been abandoned but it’s kinda active for nh stake fights (no staking ofc)

[meager flame]

if they actually had a good elo system and cosmetic rewards that people thought were sick and they actually wanted them

[silk thicket]

Could def use some updates

[restive storm]

Gotta give @brisk hill his credit on that one lmfao

[quasi glade]

so could've just removed da and not allow staking and it'd be the same

[meager flame]

arena would be way more than just people getting imbue scrolls afk

[brisk hill]

i had help from u guys

[meager flame]

but they just let it rot in the worst way

[quasi glade]

Like why waste

6months of dev time on pvp arena

You can scroll in the pvp feedback discord

[limber creek]

Arena is so trash lmao.

[silk thicket]

Ye I guess they were expecting rewards to pass

[quasi glade]

Everybody complained

[limber creek]

Im forced to play it for surge sacks

[meager flame]

the pvp arena is absurd because they had an okay general idea of what they wanted it to be

[brisk hill]

arena had a bunch of rewards too when it was pitched

[silk thicket]

It’s nice that u can fight ppl with even gear + stats

[meager flame]

and then crashed and burned on the rewards and then abandoned ship

[brisk hill]

not even tradable either l0l gg

[meager flame]

instead of figuring it out

[quasi glade]

Like if the rewards failed why not pitch new rewards

[silk thicket]

Idk I use arena a lot

[prime vault]

Manked did say just think if we did multi updates and everybody was able to return in 20k how horrible it would be. So maybe

[quasi glade]

It might be active

[meager flame]

like it actually just got added DOA lol

[hasty shard]

can we convince mox to convince the team to run a pvp arena event so it gets fixed like fight pits

[quasi glade]

6 months of dev time worth?

[brisk hill]

i love if

[silk thicket]

I use arena for actual nh fights but also to show ppl the rope with NHing

[quasi glade]

Kill ragging sure

But they've been saying they are going to kill ragging

since before i was born

[floral blaze]

Ehh the language in that made me think it's gonna be another year minimum til we see some fresh content

[silk thicket]

Ye it was crazy in hindsight I’m not disagreeing

But it’s useful and actively used

[meager flame]

think about how cool the pvp arena could be though

[quasi glade]

Yeah we were saying it before it was released, "if it gets released without rewards its DOA"

[meager flame]

if they actually would finish the job

[silk thicket]

Ye they should

Add new gear

Add rewards

[limber creek]

We could have more clear consisce discussions if we had just a multi and a singles pvp channel.

[meager flame]

like it doesn't even have to be gp/item rewards that could be a place for pvpers to have their version of the zuk helm some cool flex cosmetics where they can say they're the top x% of people in pvp

and they compete for stuff

[quasi glade]

Imagine they created that pvp discord they said they were going to remake 2 years ago

[meager flame]

but its neither

[limber creek]

Hey chat moderators i know yall banned me for saying men the other day. Maybe i can get your eyes here by saying it again.
Multi and singles channel please?

[meager flame]

its just imbue scrolls and maybe a little streamer event or whatever

[scarlet dawn]

@restive storm being the only person in the singles pvp channel 😄

[brisk hill]

the fact that there isnt even a pvp section in here just hurts my soul lol

[quasi glade]

Yeah imbue scrolls that dont rrly matter anymore

[brisk hill]

like in the entire discord is there 1

[restive storm]

I’ll hold it down for the homies

[brisk hill]

i dont see it

[limber creek]

Im okay with singles. I hate freeze logging with a passion but like. Im also okay with it if a giga chad ahk bot jumps my bones.

[restive storm]

19 different mobile channels btw

[meager flame]

ya the channels in this discord are insane im ngl

i just want to delete 70% of them

[limber creek]

really shows what the chat moderators here care about lmao

[scarlet dawn]

The only PK related thing I saw was in the clan & groups category.. inside an embedded post advertising clans, including Outlaws 😄

[brisk hill]

https://i.imgur.com/MbNHsgk.png

woah!

[limber creek]

OMG thats where we're supposed to be my bad yall!

[scarlet dawn]

Thanks for this discord server opening the gate to getting my leak into clans!!

[limber creek]

You're using terminology they don't understand brother. Careful lmao

[scarlet dawn]

Taking a leak.. uhh nvm sorry!

[brisk hill]

For now, we are closing the server down as we look to provide a better solution in the future. It's more than likely that we will open a new space in the official Old School Discord server to facilitate PvP related discussion, similar to how we have here.

[restive storm]

[scarlet dawn]

Sorry to hear that Mod Teal

[restive storm]

Surely soon

[floral blaze]

Whatever happened to that pk channel suggestion 🤔

Been months now

[restive storm]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1420260286929047654

Maybe mod blossom will hear us soon!

I was told she’d be the one to ask for things related to this disc but I’ve never seen her talk in her b4 and I feel bad pinging

[brisk hill]

1500 ppl still in that server after a message hasnt been sent in over a year

[limber creek]

i never left. Never got contributer role either lmao which was some bs.

[hard axle]

Make wildy entirely multi, it’s time

And no level thresholds

we maxed mains must annihilate everything

[limber creek]

I could kill so many bots 😤

Hes cookin

[hasty shard]

make home teleport work at all levels

[limber creek]

Nah next

[hard axle]

kill tb and all teleports in wildy unless in safe zone,

[brisk hill]

talk about a mood kill

[hasty shard]

wild they suggested adding an entire new teleport vs just buffing home tele 😭

[restive storm]

People want to love the game but jagex realllly don’t want us to

[scarlet dawn]

Now THIS is something we need unpolled rn!

[brisk hill]

shame

[floral blaze]

I was binging PotUpSon vids again the other day. He had a rev cave pking series with his buddy. Just 2-3 guys fking shit up, brought back memories

[limber creek]

Good old days!

Rock Rush!!

[restive storm]

I was rewatching the p1stols videos from west dragons and man it’s so depressing nothing like that can happen anymore

Just 2-3 friends messing around having a time

Have to edit cuz I’m afraid they’ll look for any reason to ban us in here 👀

[limber creek]

Oh they will lmao

[meager flame]

honestly its usually pretty hard to get banned

just never joke about anything related to bots or they'll start a bunch of never ending drama and ban people for obvious sarcasm no matter how helpful they were

and then sit there acting like it was reasonable

[brisk hill]

sounds v specific

[tender harness]

gate the enterance to wildy behind werewolf agility

[meager flame]

ya they started beef with half the server of people who regularly talk here like that

[tender peak]

remove singles entirely

[hard axle]

It’s time

[tender peak]

outside of wildy too

[tender harness]

its time. make the entire world have random tiles that pvp enable you and guards kill you on site if you're caught pvp enabled

[limber creek]

i said men and caught a timeout because they thought i was being misogynistic lmao

[tender peak]

enable pvp in the immediate vicinity of the varrock dark wizards stone circle

Integrity change to maintain the nostalgia of the area's danger

[tender harness]

dying in pvp sends you back to tutorial island where you start over with a 50% exp penalty in skills

[limber creek]

im tryna ags-gmaul a level 5 at larrans chest 😤

[tender harness]

watch the level 5 voidwaker you

[restive storm]

What do yall think we’d actually have to do to ever hear from a jmod re: pking channel?

[limber creek]

Make-a-wish foundation.

[zinc galleon]

take a trip to jagex hq/rune fest

[limber creek]

Bring pvp to rune fest you say 👀

[restive storm]

Heard something about a buncha content creators going to jagex sometime soon… maybe a second meeting of the minds coming up

[icy relic]

Feels like they only keep the wildy around at this point for the streamers

[limber creek]

its so off base from what any of us need or want lol...

Great more deadman mode changes woohooo

365>30

[icy relic]

This DMM is going to be all PvM anyway

[hasty shard]

this dmm is an excuse to short the cosmetic rewards

[limber creek]

Every dmm is an excuse to not change the main game pvp at all.

[restive storm]

Yes this is exactly the problem, they put in the pj timer due to streamers asking, and now nobody can get into it lol

[tender harness]

I like DMM for the swaps
then fucking right off

[restive storm]

Dmm is also just such a waste of dev time even tho I love playing it

[hasty shard]

shrimply play perma deadman

[icy relic]

It's okay, I say the same thing about sailing but what is one to do

[tender harness]

would love for a pvp mode to actually succeed but like
shits been laced with issues more often than not

[minor whale]

DMM is huge for viewership

[scarlet dawn]

To put GP in the Well of Goodwill

[zinc galleon]

Speaking of, larrans chest is weirdly safe(relatively) content - as long as you bring freezes and survive initial burst damage you never die

[hasty shard]

genuinely feel like castle wars is a single change from relevancy

[limber creek]

choosing viewership > player retention is wild though

[tender harness]

more people engage and will engage with sailing than pvp though

[limber creek]

Literally click the stairs and get on the nobody can touch me tile.

[hasty shard]

and thats just making team balance actually random

[tender harness]

what if like we gave castle wars some form of soul wars like loot crate

[limber creek]

Haha wouldnt it be funny if we made a spot for people to risk billions of gp and made a completely safe spot 1 click away XD haha teehee

[hasty shard]

you wont believe this

wait is there a 1 tile near larrans

[icy relic]

Why are people afraid of dying in DMM

[limber creek]

If people pvped they would know lmfao

[minor whale]

That was a response to the "waste of dev time"

[icy relic]

It's a temporary game mode

[brisk hill]

ironic huh. pvp event = good for viewership = $

pvp = neglected

l0l

pvp changes = streamer dictated

[scarlet dawn]

Wasnt w345 neglected for a long while lol

[limber creek]

yes because changing w 345 has certainly helped the state of the wilderness.

(like 50 people max play on there lmao)

[icy relic]

It's actually funny how few pkers there are

I don't think I've ever gotten hit doing a clue

if you aren't in a hotspot you just won't see anyone

[meager flame]

once in a million years i see someone that thinks its 2005

[hasty shard]

i dont think ive gotten tapped doing chaos altar steps yet somehow

[meager flame]

trying to make their character black to stand in front of webs or whatever like its gonna work

[hasty shard]

genuinely worst wildy step

[icy relic]

it just takes one person who doesn't have pk skull disabled

surely™

[brisk hill]

too many worlds!

not enough pvper updates!

[icy relic]

but every redditor I see acts like they've lost their entire family and unborn child to pkers and refuse to do wildy links

[restive storm]

Guys like this

[tender harness]

what the fuck 😭

[brisk hill]

can i get a bond beast

[hasty shard]

one less iron in the game

o7

[restive storm]

They killed pking so sometimes I just gotta be the grumpy old troll under the (ferox) bridge

[floral blaze]

Its weird they make it sound like theyre getting attacked by gigamaxxers every 5 mins. I get excited, gear up in antipk gear and only run into 1 or 2 bums in an hour

[icy relic]

yeah I sometimes bring antipk gear because getting sat by an iron is funny

but even in hotspots I rarely get hit

[scarlet dawn]

Reported for rwt!

420, thats funny

[restive storm]

The number 😂 I can’t say I didn’t laugh slightly when I saw it too

But I’m like 90% sure he protected zcb so that made me kinda sad, make that 99% cuz he had buckler too

[true talon]

If they were an iron then rip

[restive storm]

Don’t believe that one was

Def had a few irons for their moons sets tho

Blowpipes etc

[brisk hill]

my favorites are the graceful users

[true talon]

What were they even doing on the wilderness

With 420m in pvm gear lll

[scarlet dawn]

I never bothered to get graceful and especially after the agility rework lol

[restive storm]

Honestly idek what that guy was doing, kinda hard to tell but mighta just been ranging royal titans like a noob

That’s my guess based off the loot

[true talon]

Ya so how he die in the wildy

Or was he on a PvP w

Wonder if sailing gonna be disabled in dmm, I think boat escapes would be op lol

[kind surge]

not pvp world, they had a buckler + dbolts so they likely had zcb

why they were carrying a zcb with full crystal + bowfa and tbp? who knows and deserved ngl

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-laughing-gif-20076831

Got him with the old ring of 3rd age lmfao

[kind surge]

yeah deserved