game-update

[brisk hill]

thank you continue echoing that elsewhere

[zinc galleon]

me and a buddy revisited it today for a bit and lasted like 10 minutes xd

[tough nacelle]

I think the escape tunnels are the worst of everything

[brisk hill]

no one udnerstands why this is a thing

likely: a streamer came up with this

[kind surge]

tbh everyone should be against it solely because it's not even a polled thing

[brisk hill]

yes

YES

[tough nacelle]

I just think it’s a really niche benefit

That really doesn’t affect the vast majority of players

How many times are you tanking a 10 member clan and is it really worth making teleporting inconvenient for that one in 100,000 chance

Cause you have to be both fighting multiple players and beating them

[minor whale]

Unpolled things are sometimes necessary
I don't think this update really does anything good or what they intended but purely because it's unpolled isn't a valid reason to be against it tbh

[tough nacelle]

For it to make any, reasonable difference

[brisk hill]

yes, they want wars to be more decisive

that is their reasoning.

[kind surge]

maybe, but they said they were dead set on going through with it and people weren't consulted on outside of maybe jagex insiders/streamers

[brisk hill]

but: clans for xx?? years have decided who wins and loses themselves.

[kind surge]

and that's the big issue (this was also already mentioned when everyone here joined after the poll news)

[floral blaze]

Such a weird update to introduce out of the blue, Manked needs to cut off contact with whoever suggested this garbage respawn timer bs

[meager flame]

im ngl the worst thing about the change is just that i honestly am not sure if i ever saw real complaints about how it was before

makes you kind of look at them crazy when they come out so strong like this must be changed and wont be polled

[brisk hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/709498526106648617/1458898451856232512/IMG_7782.png?ex=6962a20f&is=6961508f&hm=cf1441ad2797dc6051ec12c04c9b1cdd94b3734c89f85ca80f44342189f675d0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[tender harness]

okay but what does that mean?

I ask genuinely

[oblique mesa]

I didn't think you did much stuff in the wildy.

Part of this is because of the weird raggers that come with all the insane wilderness drama. The people who come and follow other people around in rag and basically stalk them. Ragging is against the rules but there's barely any bans for it. @brisk hill knows the kind of weirdos im talking about lol

[brisk hill]

team a loses to team b bc they have less

team b cant return bc 2 min timer

fight over

[meager flame]

i dont think it stops weird raggers

[oblique mesa]

It makes it so much harder, than when they come snakeskin rag you for hours

[meager flame]

they're just gonna run out to you either way

nowhere in the wild is hard to get to

especially when they whitelist ferox lol

[floral blaze]

It's very tone deaf to put something like this out especially when the said community it greatly, negatively impacts has been diminishing at the hand of your bad updates over the years

[zinc galleon]

why are they adding rev cave teles when one entrance is already next to ferox?

unnecessary teleports imo

bloat

[kind surge]

that one was unnecessary, yeah

[brisk hill]

its funny, i suggested that to ash years ago

[zinc galleon]

oh lol tell me what thats about

[meager flame]

i think the main problem with changes like this is that they might be helping a sort of niche situation that sometimes happens and it sucks

at the expense of everyone else

solution probably worse than the problem

[zinc galleon]

if anything, more teleports are needed on east side of wildy. maybe throw an obelisk there

or an ancients

[winged mantle]

Obelisk near crabs tele please

Or blk knights

[brisk hill]

i cant really remember my though process but it was bc theres 3 different entrances

msot ppl dont even know the 27 entrance exists

[restive storm]

I honestly I’ve always wanted something where the zombie pirate ship chest thing and south of that over there, areas just totally dead

Pain in the butt to get to but for whatever reason I like that area over there

[zinc galleon]

its right next to 27 obelisk

[analog crow]

Daemonheim my beloved

[tough nacelle]

I love the key mechanic

[meager flame]

ya the east side is weirdly lacking

[chrome lantern]

Does anyone even use that obelisk though

[tough nacelle]

Makes it exciting to open the chest

[meager flame]

maybe bc they moved bosses around a bit

[restive storm]

Which part the part that it’s 0 risk cuz u can just tele or log out?

[winged mantle]

I use all

[analog crow]

27 obelisk is good for an elite clue step

[tough nacelle]

More so the part that you need to go somewhere to claim loot that should be higher risk

More so Than just getting the drop immediately and leaving

[winged mantle]

And hards

[chrome lantern]

Out of respect for the game I only use the “Activate” feature and never “Teleport to Destination” so I can enjoy all Wilderness locales!

jk

[minor whale]

Getting around the Wildy in the Wildy should be way easier than it is

[winged mantle]

Lol

[tough nacelle]

And it’s far enough to incentive walking there carrying keys

[winged mantle]

Going the scenic route

[tough nacelle]

In bulk

[minor whale]

People just camp at certain spots because changing spots is so fuckin slow

[tough nacelle]

The logging out part is bad

[restive storm]

Too Many worlds too, takes an hour and 20 mins to hop through them and by then you may as well check again

[zinc galleon]

this is even a problem within the slayer cave

[tough nacelle]

Condense the worlds for wildy

[winged mantle]

I hate the slayer cave

[restive storm]

Another wonderful aspect of the pj timer, no friends to call worlds for fights

[oblique mesa]

Slayer cave is dumb, look for cannon > hop

[brisk hill]

condensing wild would expose bots so bad

would b lol

[meager flame]

this is more complicated than it sounds tbh

[zinc galleon]

yeah slayer cave is lame to pk in, free to do slayer in

[meager flame]

because theres two outcomes lurking that you really dont want

[oblique mesa]

Also free to bot in theres always multiple bot farms in there

The worst bots in the world, dont do anything if you start killing them

[zinc galleon]

yeah recently the green dragons in there been poppin off

[floral blaze]

Yeah bots abuse 1t teleport too much there, impossible to kill any. Most spinning cannons are also bots

[brisk hill]

recently? l0l

[meager flame]

you probably dont want people to be able to canvas the wild quickly and you also dont want to make escapes even easier than they already are

[brisk hill]

since day 1 😭

[tough nacelle]

Bots canvas the wildy now too

[zinc galleon]

yeah they werent as many 2 months ago

[oblique mesa]

Do you think the slayer cave could be updated to make it better to pk in? Or its too low wildy level

[tough nacelle]

It’s gross

[floral blaze]

Less and less people pk in slayer caves hunting ppl doing slayer, its just not worth hopping for the 1/20 chance its a real player sleeping at the desk

[brisk hill]

put it above 30 and buff loot

[winged mantle]

All mobs should be aggressive in the slayer caves

[tough nacelle]

That would be a huge buff

[winged mantle]

And move above 30

[zinc galleon]

condense it for 1

[tough nacelle]

Idk how I feel about the slayer caves in general

[winged mantle]

Needed a cannon in the wildy is weird

[tough nacelle]

Feels very off as a pvp zone

[brisk hill]

bc no one pks there

[tough nacelle]

And it’s crazy that if you pick up the cannon you lose it

[brisk hill]

its a ghost town

[tough nacelle]

So you gotta leave it on the ground

And it just expires??

[brisk hill]

just b rdy to tele

[fading grail]

You can reclaim it from the dwarf dude north of fally

[winged mantle]

I could defo write a list of pvm problems for wildy - compile that with a list from a reasonable pvp clan seasoned veteran of pvp problems in the wildy and we may have a solution

[tough nacelle]

Not if you pick it up

[fading grail]

If it expires

[tough nacelle]

Yeah

Ofc**

That’s standard, but picking it up and losing it is weird

[brisk hill]

im confused wdym

[tough nacelle]

So with the cannon in the wildy you never pick it up or you’ll lose it on death

[brisk hill]

u only lose it if you die to a pker with it in your invy and are riskng it

[tough nacelle]

Yeah

[oblique mesa]

Oh yeah it is weird that the play is to not pick up your cannon. It isn't intuitive

[winged mantle]

You let it despawn

[brisk hill]

im so confused i did slayer on iron for years in wildy

[tough nacelle]

Its just clunky and unintuitive

[zinc galleon]

maybe they could add a tele timer, condense and add more crevices or stepping stones, entrances/exits

[brisk hill]

just pick up and insta tele?

[oblique mesa]

Just leave and reclaim for free :^)

[tough nacelle]

No, just teleport out and reclaim

[brisk hill]

isnt that kess efficient?

[tough nacelle]

Eh depends

[zinc galleon]

or just go back in a minute lol

[oblique mesa]

50/50 most people in the slayer cave that extra click is a death sentence

[tough nacelle]

Yeah exactly

I want the wildy to be active

But I want it to be more intuitive

[oblique mesa]

It sucks because it is a ton of fun once people get over that lizard brain unga bunga if I die I get upset

[tough nacelle]

It’s definitely tons of fun

[fading grail]

Always good to escape a bunch of pkers

[fading grail]

Make them think you taking a path and dupe them

[tough nacelle]

It’s not the risk my guy

[oblique mesa]

No Dark Squal robes? :^)

[tough nacelle]

Even 5m of risk isn’t much

[brisk hill]

we should hang out more than here

[tough nacelle]

I’ve said it and others have said it

It’s the rebanking that’s doodoo

[oblique mesa]

1000000% escaping a team at the deep wildy cave with the shortcuts / fire giants on a BH world is one the most fun times ive had in the wildy recently

Felt so good even if all I did was panic and run away

[floral blaze]

Bank tag layouts make banking pretty effortless tbf

[brisk hill]

yer

[fading grail]

Yeah its good, if you plan in your head you can escape you will. Alot of them follow a path in their head people usually take

Making it look like you going to use a cave/exit then getting a few seconds to move

[zinc galleon]

it was kind of a call back to a time when we saw these robes a lot (when there was activity) - it was because people were fine throwing stuff away, and they had the option to do so at ranges

[oblique mesa]

Did any of the weird hunter delayed healing food see actual use for PvP? Always felt like they might have been good in some weird niche

[tough nacelle]

True

People did use it more

[fading grail]

Think some used it but got marlins/pufferfish now so cant see it being used

Blighted anglers are dirt cheap due to botting aswell

[oblique mesa]

Everything gives them out like candy in the wildy too.
This is on my iron

[fading grail]

Crazy that

[oblique mesa]

Blighted brews when 🥺

[zinc galleon]

i kind of like that everything isnt blighted, gives them use - most resources in the old days were fed into the wilderness

[brisk hill]

no

[chrome lantern]

I do think putting real supercombats and ranging pots on wildy bosses was weird

[brisk hill]

its used as rag food if anything

not meta

[chrome lantern]

Should’ve been blighted or not at all tbh

[brisk hill]

marlins not even in multi yet bc too expenisve

blighted anglers like 100 gp or somet

no point

[oblique mesa]

90 i think 🙁

[drifting merlin]

let me use my gp on blighted supplies on iron

xD

[brisk hill]

dont change tele mechanics in wild 👍

[restive storm]

Please also jagex give us some kind of idea HOW arrived at this decision cuz it’s clearly very far off base

[cyan niche]

https://youtu.be/e1lKc4N2rM8?si=c45rHBdrRJe65xuu

wildy fights

are fun

need quick returns

[limber creek]

In light of todays discussions you guys should go hop 5 worlds at chaos druids! Absolutely fire content!

[cyan niche]

we actually do all the time. this vid is a from a few days ago. found a clan at ca to start

https://youtu.be/w9jv7Nf-Hlw?si=_7UwrQXrcwuCzWJc

[limber creek]

crazy amount of bots lol aint it?

[dawn jackal]

just wanna thank @limber creek @restive storm @brisk hill for nuanced discussion today! i appreciate the discussion and i sure learned more than i have any other day in this server

i hope someone from jagex reads this!

[frail holly]

Hey everyone, JJJ here!

I think all the proposed mobility changes are great — except for the Wilderness teleport restriction, which is completely unacceptable. Restricting teleport re-entry while skulled in multi-combat areas punishes players, slows fights, and makes PvP feel far less dynamic. It also invalidates rewards like obelisks, which were meaningful unlocks for faster Wilderness travel. Grinding for these should feel rewarding, not penalized by a change that slows everything down for everyone.

On top of that, multiplayer sailing could use a major overhaul. Right now it’s mostly a solo grind, and there’s very little incentive to play with friends. We need better multiplayer crew systems, cooperative raids, and PvM/PvP content at sea, including combat zones, pirate options, and dynamic encounters. XP attribution should reward active participation while preventing AFK abuse. This would make long-distance travel, exploration, and combat far more engaging, social, and rewarding.

Please consider investing in ways for players to move and interact together, instead of limiting systems that already work!

[round lintel]

What r the odds

clannie

[merry verge]

What do you guys think of the prospect of a cape combining Infernal, Quiver and MA2/MA3 cape? Like a BIS all three styles cape? 🤔 #NeverNeedToCapeSwitch? I heard Rs3 has went with that approach, idk how rs3 players like it, but would like feedback from someone who plays both Rs3 and OSRS, or has played Rs3 at least

[round lintel]

nah

[winged mantle]

doubt

[narrow folio]

the avernic cloaker!!

[winged mantle]

they're too iconic

[winged mantle]

cute new pfp

[narrow folio]

[winged mantle]

[merry verge]

yeh, but I imagine their timeless designs being how the triplecape would look, more or less combined you know

[winged mantle]

i'd rather they combine neck slots tbh

i like the cape switches

if they make the blueferno cape 👀

[merry verge]

Well ye I think there definitely is reward space room in both hybrid amulets and tribrid offensive amulet, but like anguish/ranc/occult with no defense stats so fury still remains the tanky tribrid option at least

[ember token]

i could see them making a tribrid cape this isn't bis and is its own separate thing, but not combining all current capes

[winged mantle]

for sure

[merry verge]

Yeah, like just barely weaker than fire cape, assembler and MA2 capes in one tribrid cape could be the more OSRS kind of approach

[ember token]

conceptually I like the idea of the fight kiln capes where the cape you get depends on the combat styles you used

[winged mantle]

maybe even capes for weird niches

crush, elemental/ ancients, heavy ranged

[merry verge]

that sounds kinda cool

[ember token]

that's how it works in the fight kiln, and you can even choose between multiple capes if you balance out how much of each style you use

[merry verge]

already have mythical cape for crush, but I don't like the idea more range cape swapping based on different range weps kinda, also don't think that'd be enjoyable for magic

[winged mantle]

more options

[ember token]

and then you can upgrade them with a drop from Zuk (who is at the end of a 17 wave encounter in GWD3), and if you perfectly complete hard mode zuk, you can combine the 4 capes into a single hybrid cape

could do something relatively similar in OSRS - new piece of wave based content that is designed to be more reasonably completed (as in like, doesn't require bis gear in any style for that style to be viable) with all styles, you get a cape depending on what style you used, and then if you can combine the 3 capes if you perfectly kill the boss (or some other condition)

[merry verge]

does sound kind of awesome.. I think I would love to have one BIS cape for all three styles and not need to cape swap. But I haven't given it much thought yet, need more time to reflect on it

[hard axle]

I want the ancients one

I will do mage inferno with melee for it

[winged mantle]

virtus cape

[brisk hill]

dont change tele mechanics in wild 👍

[limber creek]

Multi Revenants and 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness.

To many login attempts is busted if you're a pker. Rip asf

[tender peak]

it's not a fun mechanic for anyone but it presumably exists for at least one good reason

[limber creek]

For sure.

[tender peak]

shopscape and similar one-action-per-hop activities are rough

most of that is only applicable to irons though

[fossil epoch]

Anyone know if they changed how aggro works?

I used ice barrage on thermy, and hit one of the small smoke devils. When i left and reentered the boss part of the cave it was still aggro'ed to me. Which it usually is not.
Then i tried to log out and back into the same world and the smoke devil was still aggroed to me. Only hopping to a new world de-aggroed it.

Okay even when i hop to another world, kill a thermy. Hop back the smoke devil in the old world is still aggroed to me

[narrow folio]

Recent bug

[fossil epoch]

To what extend? Is it on all enemies? just in multicombat areas?

[scarlet dawn]

Reminder ^

[ripe hare]

Dogwater update

[restive storm]

https://youtu.be/auPKh-vl7-k?si=MEfQk_DoXnVDsTXX I also thought it was kinda important to drop this here for the “it isn’t possible to tank teams in modern day” crew

Additionally, there’s more pkers in a single clip of this video than I’ve seen hopping in rev caves in the last year so feel free to tell me which seems healthier to you

[prime vault]

Manked told me he had some multi clanners ask him when I was messaging him. He also said they are looking at maybe putting a GP threshold (if your key is worth a certain amount no timer) and mentioned anywhere from 200k - 350k. Which doesn't really work well either imo

[restive storm]

if thats the case kinda feels like its more on Jagex's end as far as fault goes. The fact that manked is expected to handle all pvp requests thru DMs instead of them having an ACTUAL place for discussion is pretty horrible

[prime vault]

Yeah. Even a standard mystic tribrid set is sub 300k without food and pots. Even worse for a range DPS set. Not to mention pure return sets

[floral blaze]

200k is too high for the lower bound. Would punish a lot of pure clanners, key value drops to 100kish by the time they die. Max should be around 50k imo, only poop ragger keys fall under that

[prime vault]

I sent him screenshots of death value of return sets on pure/main and don't think he quite got what I was meaning when I sent them

A better idea would be a wilderness chest coffer that Everytime you die x amount gets taken out

This is what he said

I understand, but at the same time the fact you can return to a fight in a matter of seconds with extremely low risk just means that can be the meta very easily and long term I don't think it's too healthy. Imagine if we manage to have some big multi updates in the future, it would be awful if they all ended up being people risking 20k constantly returning and making the content unplayable.

That's fair for the new people, will lower to 250k as that would easily cover those setups mentioned as the food would be included in the risk too

[restive storm]

people will always be risking 20k in multi unless you force them to risk more

[prime vault]

I'd love to know which multi pkers he spoke too

[floral blaze]

Sad to see that such an important and clear distinction in multi is not immediately understood. They really need to reopen communication channels with the pvp community

[restive storm]

i mean if they want to stop insta returning, maybe stop adding teleports directly to ever piece of content in the entire game

[zinc galleon]

I think this is why people feel that sailing is weird - you have to actually travel places

it makes the teleport creep more noticeable

[restive storm]

i cant even get into how much i hate sailing my brain will short circuit

all i'll say is biggest waste of 2-3 years of dev time jagex has ever spent

[zinc galleon]

that's just pre-launch, it will probably soak up time for the foreseeable future as they balance, improve, and add to it. it's really more of an expansion than a skill

it's like varlamore, we gonna get a part 2 maybe even part 3

[floral blaze]

The last sentence suggests that he is still adamant with pushing this disastrous update through. There needs to be some nuance to this rule - the current limit will fuck over pure clans really hard. The timer needs to take account defence levels and scale accordingly if they want to down this route.

Its better to just bin this idea altogether than introduce more rules to the wilderness...

[restive storm]

agreed, they gotta bin it entirely and realize that just wasting people's time for absolutely no reason doesnt make any sense

[prime vault]

Pretty much. Pure sets are sub 200k

[ripe hare]

Dogwater update

[restive storm]

literally so depressing we cant get a single response meanwhile they sat on reddit the entire day responding to their thread on there -.- like why does this discord even exist

[brisk hill]

Gm all.

Don’t change tele mechanics to wild, they’ve been that way since the inception. Thx!

[restive storm]

gm bossman, another great day to be a part of pvpcord

[brisk hill]

So we’re going to change the fundamentals (again) of the wilderness because imagine if multi update? Why not just make it so that piece of content functions that way when it’s actually being released LOL

[restive storm]

for the same reason that after two years theyre finally gonna go back and rework, the reworked bosses cuz they didnt do them right again the 2nd time around

lack of direction for what they want the wildy to be

more of this please, look @ all the little timmys

[floral blaze]

2026 looking lit for pkers! 🔥 🔥
DMM and uhhhhhhh.. potential WBR rework rework? sheeeeesh 🔥 🔥

[restive storm]

them not just rerunning last dmm is a crime

what a waste of the very little to no dev time pvp gets

[scarlet dawn]

Its kinda silly to revamp that what has been mentioned in the post instead of backing away completely. Even this quote above is unasked for.

[floral blaze]

Yep, all that dev time for a game mode that dies 1 week in. What a waste

[restive storm]

even if it didnt die in the first week it only lasts two weeks total

the last good wildy update we had was like a year and a half ago and it was throwing a 1x1 loot dispenser on already existing content

and before that was multi revs

[scarlet dawn]

U forgot tb in f2p, unfortunately released in an integrity update when f2p wildy was already dead

[restive storm]

yea wasnt even aware f2p been dead for ages lol

[limber creek]

nah wear better gear. imo. 200k is good but 350k is where its at.

i dont do pures so i dont know about that. i retract statement appologies.

[quasi glade]

Hi

[tender peak]

I was coming here to see if anyone else was going to get their keybinds thrown off by the new portal nexus teles but it looks like you've all found something else to yell about

[restive storm]

plenty to complain about with the most previous update ideas

but that barely scratches the surface

[chrome lantern]

Just don’t move the ones you care about!

I do think updates have been very lackluster in general for a while now. Even the Sailing updates haven’t really changed anything about how you actually interact with the skill and they were too afraid to nerf salvaging as much as it deserved.

The movement update poll questions need to target some of the friction on existing methods more before adding more of it, especially looking at the canoe proposal for the River Dougne

[restive storm]

super obvious esp with leagues announcement & dmm that theyre dedicating way wayyy too much dev time to liomited game modes and the main game is suffering heavily from it

[chrome lantern]

The Runes from pickpocketing going into Rune Pouch seems a lot more like a bug fix than a polled change

[restive storm]

plus gridmaster too

[chrome lantern]

My assumption was always that they were supposed to go in there

[tender peak]

I play runescape. Do you really think my brain is normal enough to let me NOT have my portal nexus teleports in alphabetical order?

[chrome lantern]

Why tf would you want them in Alphabetical order

[tender peak]

because that's the correct order

simple as

[chrome lantern]

Usage order

[tender peak]

nah

[restive storm]

i mean u can just arrange them any way u want right? idk how this could possibly be an issue. The multi wildy tele is the real issue

among 50 other wildy issues

[quasi glade]

return fights bad 🙂

solved 0 issues

[restive storm]

ty 4 helping us steer back on course

of the real issues here

[quasi glade]

i've never seen 1 clan been forced to sit and return vs another clan

You can just stop... you know

[restive storm]

fr just like... dont tele back there?

[quasi glade]

If they are ragging you, you've already won

[chrome lantern]

I also don’t know why Jagex still thinks 1k points for a new slayer helm recolor is good. We have plenty of them that don’t require points (CA recolors) and slayer points are such an extremely archaic system

[tender peak]

sorry for... talking about the part of the proposed game update that actually affected me ig

[chrome lantern]

At most it should be a single unlock to be able to customize then be whichever you’re able to get your hands on

But slayer points are just dumb in general

[restive storm]

fwiw im mostly just trolling you, but this is the first time ive ever actually seen pking changes discussed in here

and we been trying to get a response for days

[tender peak]

It happens any time any wilderness change is proposed wdym

[chrome lantern]

Quetzal whistle reclaim also just seems like catering to UIM because there’s not really a situation where you lose at all, and even if you do lose it you can get it back within moments

[quasi glade]

So once every 12 months

😂

[restive storm]

thats difffent too, thats noobs whining about there being too much wildy content and being derogatory towards pkers

[vivid ruin]

Is pking supposed to change that often?

[tender peak]

and it's always "we want PvP updates" until "wait no we don't want PvP to change", repeat ad nauseam

on that note, cya lmao

[restive storm]

ideally yes when theyve made nothing but detrimental changes to it for 4 straight years

[quasi glade]

lmfao thats such a bad faith argument

[tender peak]

yep that's why I'm leaving before the repercussions arrive

[quasi glade]

KK atleast you acknowledge that

[restive storm]

never any sort of actual discussion just "wildy bad" and "anyone who likes it is dumb" 🙁

[quasi glade]

I dont think apart from lootkeys the past 10 updates in the wilderness has been for the most part exactly the opposite of what pvpers have wanted

Which is why it's dying

[restive storm]

agree

[true talon]

Watched my friend who been making a baby pure take on the bots in the lower brackets. they have auto pray scripts, they fight back with armadyl brews and absolutely smash you if you dont got overheads.

[restive storm]

have been for years

[quasi glade]

Yup and you don't have friends to help you either

[restive storm]

cant use ancients vs them

just get msb/craws bow ragged out

[true talon]

some have AI learning pray scripts which try to predict 1 tick wep swaps, some also change prayer randomly if you try to mage them with a crossbow on

[quasi glade]

You need atleast 700m in gear to kill the bots

😂

[restive storm]

most of the gold farmers as well cheat w/ overheads

[vivid ruin]

I do think 2 minutes is a bit much. A lot can happen within 2 minutes. But i dont see a problem with slightly restricting jumping back out immediately. I personally think they need to remove half of the tps out there. If not all of them. And just add a few safe zones

[quasi glade]

That's because you don't clan at all

[true talon]

ive seen some bring dark bows and wear recoils and anti-people.....

[restive storm]

i dont understand what that solves is the only thing

[quasi glade]

I know everybody here hates RoT but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vnFZSXV5wU

Fights like these cant happen anymore

Setup 1v1s

[restive storm]

i mean this update helps rot tbf

[tender peak]

alr I'm back with breakfast

[true talon]

They also had pnecks, these bots are insane

like this is in the 60s bracket so not like your max stats

trying to kill 1 is really hard

[restive storm]

back in the day of multi me and the goon squad would just run in there and 1 hit them but sadly thats not a thing anymore

[quasi glade]

Or fights like this in F2P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu7Vcmsg-qo

[true talon]

I dont wish for multi-revs to combat the bots, because you gonna have bot cartels lol

[quasi glade]

(look at the date it was released)

12 years ago

[restive storm]

how could that be any worse than what we currently have? they havent left

its just easier for them to bot now

[quasi glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8YbkPA2XY

[true talon]

Think its time to lock the loot from revs behind diaries

[vivid ruin]

Honestly raggers are some of the most annoying pkers out there. They're like mosquitoes risking like 100k vs my 1m+ and the return time is absolutely fucked sometimes

[quasi glade]

Then leave?

[vivid ruin]

Loo

[restive storm]

tahtd be like saying theres currently no calvarion/spindel/artio bots lol

[vivid ruin]

Bad take

Just take the l

[quasi glade]

They'll rag you anyway

This wont stop them

[chrome lantern]

I think the problem you see with trying to make this argument is that aside from the relatively very small set of people that are in these groups, most people don’t actually want fights like this to be a thing

[quasi glade]

It's not a small set of people

It doesnt fix anything

Whilst killing a part of the game that's been here since 2006

[true talon]

well if you need hard diary to get full loot, then it slows the bots down a lot, most rev bots just got range an 44 prayer an then thats it, they can go in.

[chrome lantern]

The people in multi clans of that size are a very small set of the overall community

That’s what I mean

[quasi glade]

Raggers are still going to rag

How does this timer stop them

It doesnt

[restive storm]

rag timer also just griefs normal players

like if i kill someone at vetion why do i need to just stand at the bank for 2 mins doing nothing

[tender peak]

ok so on a more serious note, I have no opinion on this change- were it being polled, I'd likely just hit skip question and move on. It seems good to me on paper but I also acknowledge that I don't have nearly enough experience with pvp to say that for sure.

Two things come to mind at this discussion, though:

• What reasons do you all have against this proposed change? So far all I've seen is "that's not how things are now" and... yeah, it's an update
• More broadly, I do think pvp has received far too few updates, but I also think some of the updates it has received (loot keys, for example) were detrimental ot the health of the game. What sort of change would you like to see, if this isn't it?

[restive storm]

remove pj timer, Put multi revs back, increase risk for being skulled more than it is currently in different areas of the wildy

[quasi glade]

The updates goal is to stop raggers

• Wont stop raggers as dying isn't a problem to them anyway
• Raggers will just load up a second account and rag on two accounts and rotate them
• Kills multi fights in the pure scene, main scene and F2P scene

[tacit wharf]

bring back half tbs/binds when you have mage prayer up

[quasi glade]

half freezes?

😂

[restive storm]

tb is halfed when mage pray is up wym

[tacit wharf]

sorry binds

[quasi glade]

Yeah lets just make it even easier for bots to tank

[restive storm]

that sounds atrocious

[quasi glade]

Binds i agree

[limber creek]

Half freeze mightve been a thing on a ps you frequented or something. But thats not a real runescape thing.

[quasi glade]

Well only for f2p i'd agree for binds not p2p

[restive storm]

you could never ill anyone under 30

if entangle is 7s

[quasi glade]

Ill agree for f2p not p2p

[limber creek]

we already got swampbark because entangle super low timeframe.

[restive storm]

still barely helps lol

plus it just sucks accuracy wise

[quasi glade]

10 second freeze timer in f2p has killed any chance to tank in a fight

[restive storm]

so u splash 10x more

[limber creek]

Bro im sorry but if they ever change pvp to cater to f2p it'd be worse than the 2min tele change.

[quasi glade]

They could code it so it only works in f2p though right

and not p2p

[restive storm]

that might be even worse than the pj timer which i thought was honestly impossible to beat with how bad that was

[limber creek]

Imagine if that was our 1 yearly pvp update though.

[restive storm]

the sad part is i wouldnt totally count it out

[quasi glade]

I never said they should do that over other things

[limber creek]

Thats the thing we need to be consisce on a thing or two to add because we're only gonna get one for a whole damn year.

[restive storm]

theyve done things equally as dumb

[quasi glade]

But we've been concise many times

and somehow we got a timer nobody has asked for

[true talon]

How about protect magic not working agaisnt tb

[quasi glade]

I agree

[true talon]

like with entangle

[restive storm]

if singles+ remains this is necessary

[true talon]

5 minutes you fight it or you escape

[quasi glade]

Killing bots on a half is impossible lmfao

Unless your rocking 700m gear

[vivid ruin]

Why is the argument about killing bots lol

[tender peak]

Alright, let's approach these from a perspective that- while silly- is the only way to get them to pass.

• How would you pitch any of these in a way that might benefit someone other than a pker?

[true talon]

killin most people on a half with no max gear is almost impossible

[quasi glade]

Because it doesn't impact real players lol

You can just freeze hug

TB means nothing now

[limber creek]

It would hurt to many real players too. I can't get behind the tb change.
The only bot change i need is a 1t tele delay below 30. Ill risk the 1-200m to drop them.

[true talon]

so many people got brews for days

[restive storm]

solo players w/ reg singles cant get focused by just 1 person cuz u run into npcs and they get pjed off you

[vivid ruin]

Yeahhh but i feel like pking being about hunting bots isnt even pking

[restive storm]

gives much more variety to wildy interactions than we have now

[quasi glade]

Hunting bots is pking

Its an eco system

Thats what the wilderness is

[vivid ruin]

Ehhhhh ig

[true talon]

I dont feel like tb being 2:30 if your just camping prot magic is fair

[quasi glade]

Big eats small

So if there are people hunting bots

[limber creek]

hunting anything that isn't a npc in the wilderness is pking. We really need to learn about a wilderness ecosystem and what pvp means.

[quasi glade]

people can hunt those people

and people can hunt those people

[true talon]

All the people in revs just pray mage the entire time...

[restive storm]

esp when everywhere in wildy gives perma restores so you never use prayer

[quasi glade]

There's not alot of skill camping pray mage

in full tank

with bulwark

[restive storm]

full torag/bullwark pray mage, 1m risk and takes 600m+ to be able to have a prayer at killing you

[quasi glade]

But back to the 2min timer nobody asked for

Somebody explain to me why it fixes ragging

[limber creek]

It doesn't.

[restive storm]

2m timer very cringe and pointless

likely ill never go multi again w/ it

[quasi glade]

Somebody explain to me why jagex feels there should be a "clear" winner in wilderness fight

hello any1 that was defending the timer

[limber creek]

Taking a +1 or a singles maxxer is generally good enough to considder a win to me.

[quasi glade]

I can give x y z reasons why it's bad for the game but none of the people saying its good can muster up 1 reason

[limber creek]

because noone at all wanted it besides one streamer dude probably

[tender harness]

dont think people are defending it
maybe redditors? but like nobody has any idea who asked for it. I don't know where it came from but it seems short sighted and doesnt fix anything. it feels like a change from a streamer (speculation)

[quasi glade]

it is a streamer change

[true talon]

Feels like it just forces the clan with the most people to always win, no strategy for a 100 vs 1000 win by a good plan. its just we got more people, you cant return and therefore we are the winner.

[restive storm]

theres no reason that itd be considered "good" the only reason it got put through is because it makes pkers lives more annoying, pretty much anything that makes the game worse for pkers instantly gets shoved through

[quasi glade]

it benefits the best ingame clan and streamer masses that masses 400 people

unironically it benefits rot

and hurts everyother clan in the game

[limber creek]

This brother. I got chat banned yesterday too just for speaking on it lol

[quasi glade]

Chatbanned where

[limber creek]

here lmao

[tender harness]

ragging is annoying but like if they took a minute to be creative im sure they could come up with better measures for counter ragging
and me speaking in general. would love to actually do wildy content. I CBA after having diaries done however because its just misery.

[quasi glade]

Like i hate raggers, but this doesnt solve ragging

[true talon]

I like pking, i find it interesting aspect of the game and like WOW runescape and wow were grown based on their PVP back in the day. infact runescape had 0 pvm outside of like KBD and KQ lol

[quasi glade]

If anything it empowers 3 item raggers sitting there unskulled

[true talon]

Anyone playing runescape was pking

[quasi glade]

Waiting for you to accidently barrage them or click them

Because they can instantly return

[limber creek]

just walk into the barrage pile and now you can suddenly attack everyone following piles

[quasi glade]

It's so short sighted

[true talon]

However i will say contriversal tools like AI scripts and advanced pray swapping clients, auto eating, auto specing have absolutely ruined that aspect of the game.

[quasi glade]

hur dur the 1 itemers cant insta return

If they are in 1 item you've won the fight

[tender peak]

I do enjoy watching pkers get mad, there is a bit of schadenfreude to it, but I'm willing to acknowledge that I can't exactly defend the update in question

that being said, if anti pking polls are always passing, it should be acknowledged that a majority of players not only don't engage with pvp but actively dislike it. Just because you don't agree doesn't make those players wrong, just as them disagreeing with you doesn't make you wrong

[quasi glade]

Just leave

[tender harness]

ragging should just lead to people getting TP'd into KBD with pvp enabled and no escape

[limber creek]

its not completely ruined. But there are a lot of noobs who utilize it. Every bot you run into is definitely going to.

[true talon]

sadly the only way to make it a fair playing field is remove overheads, but if you do that it removes a skill aspect of it.

[quasi glade]

Single is ruined because of the PJ timer, you cant be punished by using cheat clients

[limber creek]

or just idk banning the bots lmao

[quasi glade]

Run around in 1b gear 0 risk turbo astrogapping everyone you fight

and when you are in trouble freeze hug

bye

[tender peak]

yeah someone should tell them to press the big red "ban all bots" button they have in the office

[chrome lantern]

If only Jagex had thought of that!!!

[limber creek]

FYI bots lose their minds at tecu salamander for any other pkers in the chat.

[quasi glade]

If anything the more risk you bring the safer you become in single, higher chance of catching the freeze so you can dd or hug

[true talon]

you cant win a just bad a bot war, because its getting more advanced. the people profiting from it are going to invest more into making the bots better and more undectectable, the people trying to stop it dont benefit as much from them disapearing, infact they lost bond money ect.

[chrome lantern]

Isn’t that how bringing better gear is supposed to work

[quasi glade]

Not really in the wilderness

You should be worried about

dying

in the wilderness

[chrome lantern]

Isn’t that why you bring better gear? To avoid dying as much?

[quasi glade]

If you freeze hug somebody, catch a single freeze you are out

[chrome lantern]

That sounds like circular reasoning

[quasi glade]

I dont no, i bring it to kill other people faster

[true talon]

Only worry i have with dying in wildy is in multi. singles its just to easy to bring a mystic top/bottom an a staff and catch a entangle or barrage and logout.

[quasi glade]

There's no concept of risk in single

It's all about the same

Catch 1 freeze you are out

[tacit wharf]

and thats a problem

[quasi glade]

There isn't going to be that team that keeps clienters in line

because you cant pj

You would not see as many clienters as you do now if the old timer was back

[chrome lantern]

If you don’t want higher risk gear to make you more likely to survive then every single “prey” target in this marvelous “pk food chain” people talk about is just in a 10k setup even more than they are already. I see what you are trying to say from a Pker vs Pker perspective

[quasi glade]

If anything you'd see more randoms in mystic gear because they dont have to fight somebody in 800m risk

People dont pk in 10k setups

Where do you get that from

[chrome lantern]

I’m not talking about pking

That’s why I was talking about it being about survival

[quasi glade]

I've pked in both before and after the pj timer

[limber creek]

they might but they aint killing anything in it lol

[heady elk]

Is that poll live yet about the teleport nexus and hooded slayer helm? I still see no polls in game

[quasi glade]

THe pvmers bring the same amount of risk they do now

[chrome lantern]

I’m talking about doing content in a pvp area

[limber creek]

unpolled. autopass

[chrome lantern]

Bringing better gear and having a higher chance to survive because of it

[quasi glade]

The pvmers bring the same amount of risk now then they did back then

[tacit wharf]

13th i think it was

[heady elk]

Ah ok cus the blogpost said " live now " was confusing

[quasi glade]

It's not healthy for the majority of pkers to be running around in 500m risk

at all

Nobody to keep them in check

they run around ahk clienting

You wont see most of those clienters with the old timer because they all suck at tanking

[tacit wharf]

was at the end of the blog

[quasi glade]

But the pj timer aint getting changed

We all know that so its a waste of time even speaking on it

[heady elk]

Oh damn missed that haha thank you

[quasi glade]

Was discussed in that pvp discord for 2 years and they did nothing

Even asked for the data that said the timer was beneficial to the wilderness

they couldnt even give that

[limber creek]

Pj timer cool and all but multi revs would do wonders. have yall been to chaos altar lately? I was mindblown last night at the amount of bots on every single world.

[quasi glade]

back to the teleport timer

nobody

asked for

[limber creek]

People try to act like thats what revs was lmao

[quasi glade]

apart from dino or purespam or w.e

[prime vault]

Everyone that multi clans wants fights like this to happen. That's why we're out there

[restive storm]

I will never surrender

Worst update 07scape has had ever

[chrome lantern]

Yeah my point was that is a very small portion of the player base

[restive storm]

They said they had it, said they’d give it, then ayiza hasn’t spoken to the community about PvP since that was like five years ago

[tacit wharf]

use to be a big part of the community

[prime vault]

That's the only group that the teleport update effects lol

[limber creek]

Ayiza got maced and stopped caring

[scarlet dawn]

Basically this, f2p scene is dead and with ferox, depending on the location of the war, you probably dont even need to jump to p2p for a tele

[restive storm]

Who was the jmod that got skull tricked and 1 tick put in the skull prev timer

[limber creek]

LOLOL probably ayiza too

[restive storm]

Whoever it was I’m pretty sure died to a fake earth warrior

[limber creek]

Skull prevention is complete babyfication of the wilderness.

Its mom making you wear a helmet to ride your bicycle. And you're 32 years old.

[scarlet dawn]

So many updates while pre-eoc none of these seemed to be needed

[limber creek]

he'll always be scared of Cutting a web

thats why we walk through them now.

[prime vault]

[limber creek]

The wilderness contrary to popular belief is supposed to be dangerous lol. Why do we keep making it appeal to ironmen and people scared of their own shadow.

[restive storm]

I miss when jmods were fun and literally were adding skulltricking items to the game like ring of coins and 3a ring 😂 bring those dudes back

[limber creek]

The birthday dds.

[prime vault]

Redditers

Ironmen

[limber creek]

and ironwomen (Please dont chat mute stella for this gross miscommunication)

[scarlet dawn]

Hi Stella the fairy (need to separate you from Stella the cat)

[restive storm]

That was kinda a new one props to whoever snuck that through

[prime vault]

350k is too much

Pure return sets with no food is like 100k

[limber creek]

i dont care about pures. They put that restriction on themselves. Wear chaos robes or something.

[prime vault]

Even my standard mystic tribrid set on my main is sub 350k with food lol

[meager flame]

i mean thats the point tbf

risk more or wait

[limber creek]

@prime vault you gotta get your sets up you pk with me and i easily risk 350 every death unless well you know 👀

[prime vault]

In a 1h return matched fight ur already lighting like 2-3m in sets on fire

More if ur me and everybody targets u

[limber creek]

Yeah return fights its def lower set values.

[scarlet dawn]

Die less

[meager flame]

yeah im just saying thats the whole point of suggesting a minimum value

punish people not risking

[prime vault]

Everyone knows I make povs lol

[meager flame]

let people who do risk return

[prime vault]

Raggers risk like 5k

[meager flame]

since the entire problem seems to be people returning while losing almost nothing

[limber creek]

350k trick like good old days.
(This is a change we dont want or need though still regardless)

[prime vault]

Ep was terrible

[limber creek]

💯

[prime vault]

At most raggers are risking like 75k

[scarlet dawn]

25k trick in hope of getting corrupt, good (actually bad) days

[prime vault]

If the purpose is to deter raggers makes it sub 100k

[meager flame]

is less than 100k really deterring anyone though

[limber creek]

its 2026 less than 350k shouldnt deter anyone lol

[meager flame]

ya lol

[prime vault]

A standard mystic tribrid set is less than that

[limber creek]

I killed a dude for a blowpipe last night and it was 12m. Thats how many sets lol

[scarlet dawn]

Keeps the dirty money rolling

[limber creek]

maybe with a water stick and mith gloves bro thats still a ragger to me.

[prime vault]

Nope with an ancient staff and barrows gloves

Unless ur wearing the white mystics

[limber creek]

show setup

its not adding up to me

[prime vault]

Not at home

[quasi glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958523634278883329/1459617154319257722/image.png?ex=6963ede7&is=69629c67&hm=d56f78cb696dde1020a050709fa45e3d43285fdc5bc777fcd84030fd5e1d62e6&

standard mystic setup to me

[prime vault]

Damn u got embed perms and I don't. Toxic

[quasi glade]

nah i just copy and paste the discord copy link

right click copy link

and paste that in

[prime vault]

I don't use spirit shield or imbued cape in return fights

[quasi glade]

what cape and shield then

[prime vault]

Ma1 and purple book

[quasi glade]

sec i dont own any ma1 capes

[prime vault]

Can't count food pots or necks either

Those are consumed

Unless ur a bad tank

I may have been off idk

[quasi glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958523634278883329/1459618546127605854/image.png?ex=6963ef33&is=69629db3&hm=467f6d07369c71291f99bbaa0f43f6ec454fb04f33df5a3ca2eb5825da822d1e&

[prime vault]

I don't bring a full anti venom either because you never use all doses and stamina would probably be mostly used

Yeh so a mystic set would be okay then

[quasi glade]

these death mechanics are so confusing lol.

[prime vault]

Assuming you die with 50 sacks 50 bolts and ur pots unused

It would probably be pretty close

[quasi glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1458852791941468160/1459618878526328862/image.png?ex=6963ef83&is=69629e03&hm=b031550d4d6a9b79bd82c60a8b540b5ec099e038b94cdaf4024d938cf5d1eef1&

fully out of supplies

no bolts

no sacks

no vials

[limber creek]

still right at 350k unless u dont use barrows gloves

and downgrade to xerics

but at that point

fuck it you get the tele debuff

[quasi glade]

nobody dies fully out anyway lmfao

[tacit wharf]

i mean, if yr in xeric's, yr raggin

lets be real there

[limber creek]

nah that does happen in wars fr. We go till supplies are out.

[quasi glade]

ye but u still got bolts

sacks

maybe a combat does

[limber creek]

fair

[quasi glade]

dose*

a restore dose

[limber creek]

yeah u always got some sacks/bolts ur right

[quasi glade]

You only really die fully out if your steam rolling too

People get koed

Voidwakers exist,halberds and spears exist

A rogue ballista exists

[limber creek]

id rather we dont have the update at all but if we do we need at least a anti rag pricetag lol

[quasi glade]

I mean ye same lol

[limber creek]

and i think 350k for mains is acceptable but im one person.

[quasi glade]

100k is fine for me personally

Since f2p fights,pure fights

[limber creek]

they choose those restrictions f2p/pure but yeah there are definitely scenes there too.

Sorry jagex cant make it work revert it

[quasi glade]

i mean f2p fights exist bro on the main scene

pure scene too

[limber creek]

yeah i was agreeing the scene is there. Appologies if i said it weird.

[quasi glade]

I hope they see now that this isn't some "small" change

[prime vault]

Off bro my pure is 13 def

[scarlet dawn]

F2p fights that deep? Ive witnessed them closer to ferox. 100k is a lot for f2p

[prime vault]

Can't wait to suicide 350k sets when fighting 100v200

[tacit wharf]

wasnt saying with pures in mind

[scarlet dawn]

Either this or bond an alt and lose 16m directly

[quasi glade]

Yeah they happen alot, this change would kill the f2p scene completely

and im talking about the 100v100s and 70v70s

[scarlet dawn]

Happen a lot? Oh lol thats new

[quasi glade]

Not a 5v5 east of ferox

[prime vault]

I wonder how that would work since you typically hop to return for main f2p

[quasi glade]

I mean im fine with the amount being like 150k

I think instead of value on death, should just have a coffer in the bank where you put gp in and it takes the value out of that

[prime vault]

https://youtu.be/vSDJrQ96rRs?si=6Xn67wcpgtXLOfjW

[quasi glade]

If you dont have gp in the coffer you have a 2minute timer

[prime vault]

@scarlet dawn

[scarlet dawn]

Those are rare occasions

[quasi glade]

No they arent

[prime vault]

I think if they set a limit it should be the difference between your death value and whatever value they had in mind but altogether I think they should just scrap it in general

[quasi glade]

I dont disagree!

[prime vault]

I feel like most main fights are at gdz or similar

For f2p

Pure fights are mainly ferox area

[scarlet dawn]

Ikr

[tacit wharf]

use to be between east and west tree

[quasi glade]

Just depends what the clan leaders decide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etbaeXLdCgM&t=722s

[tacit wharf]

gdz use to be aids for f2p

[prime vault]

I honestly think if they keep the update as is it's just going to incentivize big open friends chats more than they're already incentivized

[quasi glade]

Yes

It wont be skill based

It'd be whoever has more on the inital rush

[prime vault]

I still don't really understand the why and who in the multi clan world suggested it

[quasi glade]

Dino lol

[prime vault]

Fuck dino he's not in the clan world

None of those streamers are

[quasi glade]

lol he streams tho

he does big streamer masses!

and thinks he is better than every1 else

[prime vault]

And they get cleared

[quasi glade]

because 300 people show up

[scarlet dawn]

Now raggers have to up their game, but they WILL overcome this (raggers in the end)

[quasi glade]

to the mass

[prime vault]

By people who can return

[quasi glade]

Ye raggers wont care about this change

They'll find another way to rag

[vivid ruin]

Ive never seen dino without at least 100 people following behind his name

[quasi glade]

Bro has never been in a clan

and thinks he knows what's best for multi

Never entered multi w.o his stream

[brisk hill]

The biggest issue with Jagex changing how teleporting out of the wild is: it's eliminating (again) a million different possible scenarios & outcomes in fear of 1 situation that may be unfavorable, in an area of the game that is supposed to be chaotic. The rules imposed to the Wild have only restricted PvP & it's interactions & that's a shame

[prime vault]

This is pretty much what it boils down too.

[icy relic]

this stuff always has spillover effects

shutting down legitimate gameplay in the process

[quiet plank]

After the mini game tele is added to the spellbook there will only be room for one more spell. I wonder what will happen if the devs want to add more than that

[brisk hill]

it's not a poll. they want to just implement this change, lol.

[vivid ruin]

Are you saying i cant downvote those stupid slippers

[tacit wharf]

reading is hard

[vivid ruin]

I scim, i dont really read those posts

[tacit wharf]

oh no, not at u

[vivid ruin]

Oh lmao

[chrome lantern]

Some parts are polled and some are unpolled

[tacit wharf]

^

[vivid ruin]

Gotcha

[brisk hill]

There's nothing in the post that says they are polling the wilderness multi teleport changes. majoirty of the topics have the poll questions listed under them. the multi changes do not

👍

[chrome lantern]

It is very explicitly under the "Unpolled changes" section

But the last sentence doesn't match with it being in the same category as these others because the wilderness changes are explicitly supposed to change balance

[brisk hill]

unfortunate. under the guise of qol for clans lol

also im not sure how this balances the "issue" perceived. bigger fish always eat smaller fish. this will only hurt the smaller teams they are trying to help & favor the bigger clans

[restive storm]

Last sentence drives me insane cuz they say it every time and literally never respond or interact

[scarlet dawn]

Im lost for words lol, but when it came to teleblock for f2p it needed 3 failed polls to roll out as integrity (thus qol) update

Those guys are literally out of touch with pvp aspect

[chrome lantern]

I think the last paragraph is more targeted at like, the Favorited Fairy ring dropdown etc.

Minigame tele spell

Spirit tree and Return Orb changes

[brisk hill]

As with all Wilderness changes, we’ll be watching how this plays out in practice and are open to adjusting it based on feedback.

i mean they say it

but the fact is pvp feedback is disregarded

thats the main point

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that one is a different paragraph though, I see it now

Says the same thing but I didn't realize it was in there twice

[brisk hill]

• like you are making changes to the game

why wouldnt you monitor them lol

[zinc galleon]

the guy who monitors has been sleeping on the job

[limber creek]

What if they read every bit of it and try to do exactly what we ask. But just get it really wrong lol.

Rose colored glasses are more fun guys and girls!

[torpid hawk]

Nah its all on purpose

You don't miss 47 times in a row

The last time they hit was the loot key changes

[zinc galleon]

One of my theories is that the game has gotten to a certain size and estimated trajectory that they are designing spaces more for future players, and not so much the current ones. But doing so in a way that they think makes a good game/good gameplay, not what people originally loved

[prime vault]

With wilderness content polls in general it should be 1k+ kills imo

[severe grove]

2tick miners should not be allowed to vote on wilderness polls

[zinc galleon]

lol, if on wise old man your EHP is too high you can't vote 😆

cant let fast 07 decide the fate of the wilderness

[severe grove]

what is considered high ehp

[zinc galleon]

idk, competitive levels I suppose

[severe grove]

how do i check that never rly use wiseoldman

[zinc galleon]

https://wiseoldman.net/ehp/main type in your rsn top right

scroll down under current stats, first one should show EHP

[severe grove]

am i nerd? all ive done is afk salvage

[zinc galleon]

yup, you're not allowed to vote sorry bud 🙂

[severe grove]

letsgoo

[frail holly]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1459712389590290597

^^^^^ Hey everyone, JJJ here!

I think all the proposed mobility changes are great — except for the Wilderness teleport restriction, which is completely unacceptable. Restricting teleport re-entry while skulled in multi-combat areas punishes players, slows fights, and makes PvP feel far less dynamic. It also invalidates rewards like obelisks, which were meaningful unlocks for faster Wilderness travel. Grinding for these should feel rewarding, not penalized by a change that slows everything down for everyone.

On top of that, multiplayer sailing could use a major overhaul. Right now it’s mostly a solo grind, and there’s very little incentive to play with friends. We need better multiplayer crew systems, cooperative raids, and PvM/PvP content at sea, including combat zones, pirate options, and dynamic encounters. XP attribution should reward active participation while preventing AFK abuse. This would make long-distance travel, exploration, and combat far more engaging, social, and rewarding.

Please consider investing in ways for players to move and interact together, instead of limiting systems that already work!

[minor whale]

This seems familiar

[frail holly]

Go vote and comment on the forum post ❤️

Yes i made it an official forum post now.

Thanks ❤️

[icy relic]

Downvoting stupid reddit items is a moral responsibility

[prime vault]

https://tenor.com/view/really-bitch-annoyed-face-stare-whatever-kid-gif-17309831

Mfw when I grind wildy hards on three accounts for faster returns and jagex nerfs it

[verbal flame]

It's been recommended before, but please implement phone biometric bank pin unlock. I literally feel like I have to find Waldo four times in a row

[idle rapids]

you can just type it if you use runelite

in the bank plugin on RL

[oblique mesa]

phone

[weary stag]

Just remove your bank pin

[verbal flame]

Yes.
Just feels a bit outdated when there's no alternative

[weary stag]

Losing out on count check xp lamps sucks too xD

[untold ledge]

@dull ridge

[brisk hill]

Gm PvPcord

Don’t change the way teleporting into & out of the wilderness works. Thanks 👍

Your changes will only bring “balance” for big clans (aka RoT, thanks I like winning lol) & nothing else

[restive storm]

Also pls remove pj timer and help us make the Wildy wild again

[scarlet dawn]

Stay winning @brisk hill !

[azure burrow]

noticing smoke devils arent pulling like they used to before this most recent update

seems like the npc gets pulled by the cannon but gets stalled until its visible on your screen.

ive let my cannon do multiple rotations and it will shoot a ball in the exact same spot, then when i get in range enough for the mob to render, it will agro. but until its on my screen its stalled where it is originally pulled

getting maybe 60-70% of the normal stack on a full cannon round up as pre update because of it

@ johnjagex

[ember token]

they messed something up with mob aggro

[restive siren]

i wondered what was happening there ye

[quasi glade]

I mean im max cape lmao

I just dont think my pvm opinion matters at all because i dont have an interest to do it all

[limber creek]

after world 19 last night. Nah lmao

[vivid ruin]

Im perfectly fine with pj timer. Groups of 3s coming to singles to take turns on 1 player is peak toxicity and makes the wild suck

[brisk hill]

How don’t you understand though that removing the pj timer has removed ”teams of 3s”

Single player pk man mode in an empty channel has replaced what was “teams of 3s”

[vivid ruin]

Teams of 3s should be in multi

I think this topic will always piss people off

Because theres always those who mass pk vs actual clans who pk in teams of 3-8

And they simply dont mix

[brisk hill]

From a predator vs prey standpoint, yes.
But from a “was the wilderness more active before or after pj timer?” standpoint the answer is obvious

[vivid ruin]

I dont think so

[brisk hill]

What kind of pk activity do you see at chins now compared to before pj timer?

[vivid ruin]

The 50 man teams keep any average clan away from the wild. Especially the smite teams

[brisk hill]

What kind of pk activity do you see at lava maze now compared to before pj timer?

[vivid ruin]

The wild needs to be tweaked for sure

[brisk hill]

These are locations that players would go to for fights

Yeah but it’s disingenuous to say the wilderness is better now & more pvp action is happening becuase of it

It’s tone deaf

[vivid ruin]

I dont think its more or less active just because of pj timer

[brisk hill]

Idk about you but I’d rather deal with a team of 20 dudes & have the possibility of being pj’d by anything to save me than have to deal with 1 guy in 1b worth of gear 10 tiling me with seeds

It doesn’t make sense to me but this is the wilderness ppl have chosen

[vivid ruin]

There's so many ways to go at it so regardless of what changes are made. People will be pissed off

[brisk hill]

Defeatist attitude

[vivid ruin]

I personally think the wildy needs an expansion

[brisk hill]

Why

There’s already dead content in the wild

Why expand it l0l

[zinc galleon]

Current singles doesn’t tie the wilderness together like it used to. It’s like glue that stopped working

[vivid ruin]

Its just my opinion. But where its multi, i think should mostly be singles ++ (potentially 3v1) and the expansion should be a huge area where clans can go at it in the middle of the wildy with different obstacles and stuff within it. I think there should be a lot less ways to tp out into the wild, and a few safe zones to return to. But i know im a minority

[brisk hill]

L0l

Let’s just make pvp optional

[vivid ruin]

I also dont think people should be able to tele from 30 line. If not move most content away from it

Thats not what im saying

[brisk hill]

You wanna remove multi altogether? But you want teams of 3 to go to multi?

I have more than 3 friends now what?

[vivid ruin]

Most clans are running at most 15 people. Thats what i normally see. If a 15 v 15 takes place, 3 people can pile 1 person each and make calls accordingly

Instead of dog piling the shit out of 1 player

Thats "fair" to me, but again its just my opinion

[brisk hill]

These rules just limit PvP

What happens in 3rd party scenario

Surely there would be a pj timer added again for the guy who had 3’ppl on

Respectfully, this just adds more arbitrary nonsense to “multi combat PvP”

[ripe hare]

dogwater update

[vivid ruin]

This is why i said there should be a true multi colosseum type of set up in the middle of the wild

[brisk hill]

Limiting PvP scenarios in an area of the game that’s already been restricted & made barebones

I mean do you pk these days in multi?

[ripe hare]

Did the guy said Multi Colosseum type of set up???

[brisk hill]

Surely you don’t right

[vivid ruin]

Yeah and last time i did, a smite clan pulled up and took my nolly

So theres that

[brisk hill]

I see you have druze from VH added

So surely you have at least once?

[ripe hare]

(I did that)

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i noticed you do too

[brisk hill]

Respectfully

Go out with dds

& pk more

With them

Your idea of 3 limiting multi combat in an area that’s already been made sparse

Will hopefully change

[vivid ruin]

Ive gone out with a few huge clans/fc's and had tons of fun

[brisk hill]

That’s not reality though

Reality is hopping every world looking for ppl

[silk thicket]

Idk why you’d want to limit multi to 3 ppl what

[brisk hill]

Bro got smited once

[silk thicket]

[brisk hill]

I’m sorry that happened, it’s happened to lots of people & will continue to happen

[vivid ruin]

Lol

[brisk hill]

Is part of the game

[vivid ruin]

Sure

[silk thicket]

Ye macing is what it is

[vivid ruin]

It sure is

[silk thicket]

In future keep ur prayer higher and ur hp lower

[brisk hill]

Clans earn that right though

[silk thicket]

Still don’t get the 3 person limit

[brisk hill]

Why punish them for being coordinated

[silk thicket]

Ye ofc

Feels bad for noobs but it’s a right of passage

[brisk hill]

It doesn’t even have to be a clan. Think about what he’s saying. Why punish a team of 7 for coordinating onto 1 guy in a 7v6

[silk thicket]

Takes a lot of ppl and a lot of coordination

Ye it just ends focusing

Makes no sense

[brisk hill]

The META in multi PvP is focusing 1 guy till they’re out in 5v5’s

That’s as fair as it gets

[silk thicket]

Ye normal team fight strategy

[brisk hill]

So off topic but regardless the point is stop limiting PvP

[silk thicket]

Idk I don’t think it’s so black and white

In general I mean

Not about multi shit

Ragging is just boring

[vivid ruin]

Thats what im saying. Any change at all will piss people off

[silk thicket]

1 item Mith cbow

It’s bannable

In theory

But do it for a year and maybe u get banned

Limit that kind of PvP more

Be clearer about what is and isn’t allowed and things will get cleaned up

[brisk hill]

There are a hundred different ways to try & deal with ragging. Changing how teleporting works isn’t one of them

At least, the way they are suggesting

Ragging is outside of the wildy too & im sure plenty of irons have experienced it lmfao. But how you would deal with ppl ragging mobs in main game seems daunting

[silk thicket]

How would u deal with ragging? In wildy

[brisk hill]

Add it as a report option

At the very base l0l

Start collecting data on accs that get reported for it

[vivid ruin]

Why would it be a reportable offense

[brisk hill]

It’s a bannable offense

So you’d think it would be reportable

[vivid ruin]

Just seems weird. They're playing how they want to play. I think it should be punishable, but reporting and being banned for it is weird

[brisk hill]

Do you know what I’m describing?

[vivid ruin]

What ragging?

[brisk hill]

Ye

[vivid ruin]

Yeah its annoying as fuck

Risking 100k to pick at others inventory

[silk thicket]

I think it’s disruptive behaviour technically but ye it’s unclear af

[brisk hill]

Could be 100 different things

Make it specific to wilderness imo

[silk thicket]

Ye add griefing report option and ban ppl faster

For sure

[brisk hill]

If they actually wanna combat ppl returning in 1 item 10,000 times over & over

[silk thicket]

Ik I kinda started the conversation about risk on death determining tele restriction but idk, cuz ppl will adapt and 10 tile and run away

So they aren’t actually dying and returning anymore

Agreed on the report option tbh

[brisk hill]

People have already adapted bringing seeds to multi while in rags

Can just hug single line & seed back to safety. Ppl will always find work arounds lol

[silk thicket]

100%

[vivid ruin]

Getting banned will just resort to a new acc

[silk thicket]

Change isn’t live atm but yh agree w the principle

[silk thicket]

Costly and time consuming tho

[brisk hill]

RoT proved that you’re right

[silk thicket]

To get a new main

[vivid ruin]

True

[brisk hill]

But nobody quite like RoT

[brisk hill]

I mean why ban them? There could be other consequences

Restricting them from entering unless x amt of gold risked? Idk

[vivid ruin]

Just remove tp to wild options from them ;p

[brisk hill]

Thinking about it though, that could also be worked around. See DMM bank keys

[brisk hill]

Another good work around, but punishing everyone in wildy? Excessive

[vivid ruin]

Nooo

[brisk hill]

I’m agreeing dw

[vivid ruin]

Report them - after a few reports and reviews take their tp away

[brisk hill]

Their current model punishes everyone

[vivid ruin]

Yeah

I agree and 2 mins is a long time in the pvp world

[limber creek]

Nah to pj timer. I like spearing them into multi instead in those giga sets.

[restive mountain]

I know they are talking about make the herb sack able to store more but the true question is when will we have a gem bag that actually collects all gems now that sailing gives you a lot of gems during salvaging.

[restive storm]

What happened?

[restive storm]

This is a crazy take, there is no denying that it’s less active post pj timer, and anyone who insist upon this never spent any time there before it changed

[restive storm]

I do feel bad for yall losing this in that case 😂 but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make, there would be infinite more noobs to take +1s from if it’s removed

[limber creek]

go to 319 mage bank. Nahhhh brother lol Leave that shit there lmao.

[brisk hill]

319 is a warzone rn bc its the only world that can be controlled

[frail holly]

Bro the wildy teleport change is absolute garbage. No more killing boners and teleporting right back in after banking 5 keys. No more fast hard diary unlock obelisk tps. Its just poop nerf on all the good pkers that worked their butt off for the unlock.

[restive storm]

My point is if there’s more than one world those teams break up and move to other places and worlds, it allows for 2-5 man teams to actually play the game

[frail holly]

All that because clan battles?

Like please. Im gonna be protesting at fally if this shi pass

Boys destroying my income

[brisk hill]

if the content thats at 319 mage bank was spread out accross all worlds (the way it was for over a decade) it wouldn't be concentrated to 1 area in 1 world

[frail holly]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1459712389590290597 go thumb up that crap

[brisk hill]

the reason streamers mass in the pvp world for agility is BECAUSE they CAN PJ

[frail holly]

Yo theres other ways to nerf clans, start by banning ahkers and ROT rag bots.

^^^^^^

This.

[silk thicket]

Eh it’s bcos if we massed any other world u could just login, hit a runner, and stay on em til they’re dead, then log out for free

[brisk hill]

yes, massing somewhere anyone can pj allows for pvpers to engage in pvp and skillers to hopefully remain untouched or at least escape

[silk thicket]

Tbh the pjing pkers is a bit annoying more than anything, altho it’s helpful for introducing people to pking. Cuz u can let them fight for a bit and help if they’re struggling

[frail holly]

Like why is it the entire legit pk community that takes the clap when the problem lies with a bunch of ROT rag bots and ahkers.

[brisk hill]

where is the proof or evidence of RoT rag bots in the wild today lol

they're trying to combat 1 item returns in fights

[frail holly]

Oh god, i get them all day everyday. Just go kill boners for a few hours. Youll see.

[brisk hill]

you are correct it punishes the entire pvp community

[frail holly]

I got like 4 ahker banned and a couple bots already.

[silk thicket]

For real what’s the fun in ns return wars

I don’t get it rly

Seems boring asf

[frail holly]

And if you dont wanna kill boners to see, anti pk with voidwaker and 3 items. Always a classic.

[silk thicket]

Bruh

Are u saying

Some skiller who got their main or friend lobbied

Is a rag bot?

[frail holly]

Im saying all pkers get nerfed on teles all because of a bunch of clan bots and ahker mass clans.

And thats not okay.

[silk thicket]

?

[brisk hill]

i dont think clans are using ahk lol

i think its little timmy's

[silk thicket]

Bro go time how long it takes to run from altar tele edge and regear

[frail holly]

Oh god yes they do.

[brisk hill]

who wanna be good at the game

[frail holly]

I get them banned on the daily.

[silk thicket]

It’ll be approx 2mins

[frail holly]

1s.

[silk thicket]

?

The glory tele animation alone is more than 1s

Unless ur spec tabbing at 30 line

In which case

Get nerfed

[frail holly]

Lemme post that pic in like... errr fashionscape and delete?

[brisk hill]

if u post link it will embed in here lol

[silk thicket]

?

[brisk hill]

this guy on a tangent tbh

dont change teleporting to wildy

👍

[frail holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545377169157914625/1459995888180265000/image-5.png?ex=69654ea1&is=6963fd21&hm=4bcff6f4096202b4ab154b25a67dce8faaa9bfd4e429fb45cfd89960fb69425a&

[silk thicket]

I’ve been ragged by 30 rag bots at once but never at altar mate

Not sure why it’s relevant

[frail holly]

Im telling u theres a bunch of ahk ppl and rag bots that ruins it and thats what jagex needs to get on. Not nerfing the entire community ability to teleport back to wildy.

These clans are the scourge.

[silk thicket]

Clienters are getting banned quick rn they cooking on that

[frail holly]

ROT 101.

[silk thicket]

Why you assuming all clienters are clannies?

[frail holly]

Bro they show up in mass and move inhumanly. I get 1 or two report in and the next day i get those.