game-update

[brisk hill]

Intrigued

Memory lane time

[nocturne solstice]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Game_updates#2021

Just peeking that page on the wiki

[brisk hill]

So they got together June 2021

In discord

[cedar apex]

Damn dude.. if I go posting on game suggestions. All it does it put a target on my back and I get ragged by ROT and targeted at every event lmao..

[limber creek]

lets not forget finally fixing pack yaking in rev caves after years and years. October 1st 2025

WOOO!

[restive storm]

ur doin gods work there my dumbass too busy at titans to look rn

[cedar apex]

Theres gotta be a way to message someone working on wilderness multi combat stuff I can talk to directly.

XD

[restive storm]

been trying for years

i get the occaisional "whats up boss" from goblin/manked but thats about it

[limber creek]

i bitch about it all the time homie. But idt they're reading what i say lol

[cedar apex]

No one knows what it’s like to get on ROTs bad side. They focus you at every event. Post dox of your work and irl info ingame during events. Essentially bully you until you quit.

[restive storm]

early 2025 goblin reached out and said he had something cooking that he thought id like.... and uhhh that did not pan out great

w45 changes were fine i guess, then i learned they were actually just leftovers from a creator event which left a bad taste in my mouth

[brisk hill]

What did these guys talk about during this discord chat

[restive storm]

pj timer

[brisk hill]

I genuinely can’t even see anything other than singles +

[cedar apex]

I guess it was a shot in the dark lmao. I thought I was going to be able to message a mod. That’s why I tagged them and was asking who I can PM directly lmao

[brisk hill]

Like the rest of changes were to revs

[nocturne solstice]

There isnt really a direct hotline to devs iirc. For the obvious reason that people wouldnt use the proper channels (game-suggestions) and instead mass DM the mods and then they just wont read any of it.

[brisk hill]

For the rest of the year

& then DMM

?

[restive storm]

thats literally it htey were just excited to bully noobs for free

[limber creek]

Just like getting your account unbanned bro. You gotta be a streamer.

[brisk hill]

Oh you know what else probably

[restive storm]

REAL

[brisk hill]

Zerk & pure mode added to lms

LFG

[cedar apex]

Have you tried to offer suggestions or things that would directly effect a clan that’s hates everyone. And seen what the outcome from that is?XD

The last clan I was in they started mass calling all of the leaders family members. And they had to change their numbers and business numbers

It’s not safe out here lmao

[oblique mesa]

Brother there tons of players who equally think their personal pet pieve is the most important thing to the game. If there was a direct line to mods like you want it would be full of messages and never read

[limber creek]

People without 5k kills dont understand.

[restive storm]

i mean even the rot guys were in here saying this was a dumb change even tho its good for them

[nocturne solstice]

I dont engage with pvp clans so I can't relate sorry.

[brisk hill]

It only benefits me in the clan sense

[cedar apex]

Exactly XD

[brisk hill]

But is bad for the game

[limber creek]

This. We already knew brother. As i said levels to this pvp stuff homie.

[cedar apex]

It’s not personal if it effect the entire scene they said they want to save. Lmao

[nocturne solstice]

Well he asked?

[brisk hill]

You know what’s sad

[limber creek]

Just saying you were at arms about suggestions earlier and now you come admitting you don't even clan.

[brisk hill]

Can’t even take pingu on a multi trip if we wanted

Gg pingu

[nocturne solstice]

Big F

[limber creek]

Laughable

[oblique mesa]

Pingu can join the FC not the CC right pingu

[restive storm]

same w/ jmods, they want to know whats wrong w/ the wilderness but are unwilling to go try it out to figure it out

[brisk hill]

I’d love for manked to come hop at bear with me for a day

[cedar apex]

Can we create a channel that have mods that clan.

[brisk hill]

That would be interesting

[cedar apex]

XD

[meager flame]

tbh they cant fix whats wrong with the wilderness because the biggest problem literally is jagex

[brisk hill]

Do you enjoy drugs?

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think you had a suggestion I disagreed with no? I had disagreements with teal earlier iirc and I've kinda hashed things out with them.

[restive storm]

for multi sure, i wouldnt want it to be him for singles he has too much of a perspective on it already and is capable of handling himself

[oblique mesa]

Brother you are screaming into the void

[cedar apex]

It’s been 10-12 years lol. Just alcohol.

[limber creek]

bro couldn't get past the 5k kills to even admit to himself he has no clue about multi and doesn't clan lmao

[meager flame]

like lol that sounds mean but every time they try to fix it

[nocturne solstice]

Hey now no drug talk here keep it clean

[meager flame]

they actually manage to make it worse first

they have no idea what they're doing

[restive storm]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1420260286929047654 support pls

[brisk hill]

Yeah multi

Come run through exit caves with me

[restive storm]

yeah thatd be fine

LMFAO

[brisk hill]

My b just trying to understand the “shouting into the void” as someone put it

[nocturne solstice]

all g

[restive storm]

make him be the one to hop worlds and flush while yall wait outside exits

[cedar apex]

Ooohhhhhhh

[meager flame]

i dont even blame them that much because i also dont even really know how to "fix" it but i do know

its so complicated and has so many different issues that the scale they work at with the wild will never be enough

if they can fix that maybe they'd have some hope

[brisk hill]

How quickly would typeless damage go away

[limber creek]

Shouting into the void is akin to not speaking at all. because we should know by now nothing in here will sway any opinions or change the game. They'll ask some streamer that did 1 multi event 1 time and a change will get made unpolled. Like we're dealing with right now.

[brisk hill]

True at this point I type here because work is dead & I have 3 hours to go

[restive storm]

god forbid pvp get a litltle motion in this disc

[dawn jackal]

how many active pkers are there

is 10k an over estimate

[cedar apex]

Idk it said to come to this discord server to post ideas. I posted them and it was taken down by someone that doesnt pvp. Because it was too long to read.

[brisk hill]

Active yes

But id say there are more than 10k ppl who would call themselves a pker

[limber creek]

To be fair look at how people act in the pvp community discords. I dont honestly blame them for not wanting us to make a foothold to talk about real issues.

[brisk hill]

Does that make sense

[dawn jackal]

yes

[limber creek]

Yep....

[restive storm]

we had a pvp discord w/ jmods for years and oncee in a GREAT while it got a little heated but 99% of the time it was totally fine

[dawn jackal]

i imagine its very hard to justify extensive dev time to a pvp change when its like 2% of everyone who will engage

and will never ever pass a poll

just kinda a bleak situation

[limber creek]

That active multi pkers couldnt get rank but people who had quit the game stayed ranked in for years? Yeah i know i was a part of it.

[brisk hill]

Make the poll relevant to those voting in it & you’d see them pass more times than not

[dawn jackal]

any updates would likely be a result of a devs good will basically

[meager flame]

but yeah idk i think until the day jagex decides they're going to invest in big changes and actually lock in to do a lot of work on the wild

its just gonna be ass

[brisk hill]

I’d argue the opposite. DMM attracts thousands of players just like leagues. There’s money to be made they just don’t know how

[restive storm]

there was a lot of rot i remember but yea idk how many other multi clans were there

[limber creek]

I remember watching people get ranked while i stayed unranked and wondering what happened lol.

[meager flame]

tbf its not really like leagues

[limber creek]

I must notve been in enough twitch streams.

[meager flame]

people do play at least the first 2 days though

[brisk hill]

It is none

[cedar apex]

It’s been great guys. In a year the pure scene will die because we can’t get events without mains/1item ragging us and then there will be no scene for the mods to have to save. So they don’t have to worry after that lol.

[brisk hill]

Now

[cedar apex]

Have a sick life ❤️

[brisk hill]

People have said the pure scene was going to die for decades because of rags.

[limber creek]

Opt in pvp late 2026 unpolled is the future we're at.

[brisk hill]

Lock in bro

[oblique mesa]

Oda hosted a wilderness agility event and the world hit player cap and you couldn't render more than 2 tiles ahead of yourself. Clearly there are people who want to engage with wilderness stuff

[hard axle]

It shouldn't require the biggest streamer to show up with 2000 of his viewers

[restive storm]

i bugged goblin/manked for ages w/ suggestions and finally got it but yeah took forever

[small anvil]

wildy agility gets people wanting to freeload for the safety

[limber creek]

i figured messaging mods would just get me banned lol

[minor whale]

Wilderness Agility event was popping because it was the best free time to do it while making gp while getting agility xp

It was 2k people padding your chances of not getting killed

[hard axle]

^

[minor whale]

That doesn't mean the Wildy itself is extremely popular

[hard axle]

remember sorceror's garden?

[meager flame]

they just dont make genuine attempts because it would be too large of an update compared to the amount of players at this point probably

[small anvil]

ya thats not an indication of interest in actually doing pvp

[meager flame]

but they have to break the cycle because them not doing shit

[small anvil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard axle]

sorceror's garden was legit carried by 5/2000 people

[meager flame]

is why there is a lack of players

[hard axle]

because they and only they

[limber creek]

So people are afraid of pvp? Yeah we all know that.

[hard axle]

would get tp'd

[meager flame]

idk how many people they'd realistically get for pvp stuff if they did a good job

but its certainly a lot more than they currently get in pvp

[brisk hill]

A lot lol

[small anvil]

like i understand the annoyance of the pk enthusiasts w/ the updates

[limber creek]

Bring back multi revenants.
Add a 1t timer to teleports below 30.

[small anvil]

but they do have to acknowledge they're a tiny minority now

[brisk hill]

Ye

We know

[meager flame]

jagex needs to understand that its jagex's fault

[brisk hill]

I don’t get updates lol

[small anvil]

like i agree that jagex has bungled a ton of things

[nocturne solstice]

How about removing teleports? 🤔

[meager flame]

that that number is low

[brisk hill]

You think I don’t know that?

Sadge

[limber creek]

Sure.

[nocturne solstice]

There's a buncha weird specs that reduce run energy or whatever, could give em some actual use.

maybe

[limber creek]

Anything to combat the bot population.

[small anvil]

but people saying "dmm is popular!" or "wildy agility so popular" kinda miss the point

that people do that for cash lol

[limber creek]

Pingu wanna go pking later? We can 2 man some locations.

[meager flame]

i mean i wouldn't even say dmm is that popular

[small anvil]

dmm was a good money maker if you swapped no?

[limber creek]

Ill give you your whole set and protect you.

[meager flame]

for an event its actually kinda doing bad

but people watch it at least

[brisk hill]

If you think trading your 10k for a mil is good money

[nocturne solstice]

Im good soz haha, I mostly do BH these days and rn I'm not even at my PC.

[brisk hill]

Otherwise do you think someone is actually going to lock in & try to end game pvm

By themselves

[meager flame]

thats why they went with the big changes trying to make it more like

[small anvil]

and like the actual points going to the moon for dmm rewards is kinda evidence that DMM is in fact not popular

[nocturne solstice]

Big fear doing real content not on my main PC

[meager flame]

accessible for people

so when they die their dmm isn't over

[limber creek]

Let me know if you ever do want to. Id love to show you first hand some of my biggest grievances. I feel we could have a productive conversation.

[limber creek]

Totally get that

[brisk hill]

No, that’s supply & demand in real time. The clan with the most buying power was permanently banned off the game w/o turning points in

[true talon]

It’s more popular now that it has cosmetic rewards like leauges.

[meager flame]

ya but just relative to the other events jagex brings out

[small anvil]

was the ROT ban since the last dmm? i thought it was longer ago

[meager flame]

its just not really there

[small anvil]

but im not like super tuned in

[nocturne solstice]

Absolutely, I'm happy even just to hear your thoughts on the state of wildy as is without the pk trip haha.

[true talon]

I jones in the last one for the voidwaker and cape kit

[minor whale]

DMM was mega dead after the first couple days
You'd get people sweeping areas but most of the big places were empty outside a few people

[brisk hill]

The last DMM was the DMM where cosmetics were released & rot was banned, yes

[dawn jackal]

i do think having a wilderness experience that the people who enjoy the wildy actuallly enjoy has a lot of value

[limber creek]

its much easier to understand the 1 tick frustration once you see 1000's of people insta tele on 1 tick tb's on login. Which aren't easy btw lol.

[quasi glade]

Remove some worlds

[dawn jackal]

like definitely more than jagex has shown they think

[meager flame]

ya they just dont even try to give us that though

[small anvil]

i do think that the direction jagex went before of trying to entice people not interested in pvping into the wildy has been an abject failure

[meager flame]

they just try to make content for the next framed video

[true talon]

This next one with lack of bank raiding and unlockable relics looks like it will be even better

[small anvil]

by hoping to make them loot sacks

[meager flame]

thats the whole reason they've been failing

[limber creek]

Scouting 1000 worlds is tiresome af lol.

[brisk hill]

Enjoy leagues v2 lol

[small anvil]

total # of people in the wildy is not the objective they should have aimed for

[nocturne solstice]

Fair fair, yeah experiencing first hand definitely has a different impact.

[meager flame]

like

[true talon]

Bank key shit was annoying and everyone with a brain kept their supplies and money on alts

[nocturne solstice]

That's going to be difficult when every other day I get people trying to suggest more worlds

Like more South American worlds, Africa worlds, Asia worlds, etc etc

[meager flame]

they should ask themselves what makes pvp fun

but instead they said how do we put players in the wild

[limber creek]

even though muling was against rules. It was always done lol.

[nocturne solstice]

Even more central american worlds

[quasi glade]

Wilderness restricted worlds

[minor whale]

Disable the Wildy in half of all worlds, per region

[true talon]

Rules are only as strong as their enforcement

[limber creek]

Had been my thought previous as well.

[minor whale]

As in entirely inaccessible

[quasi glade]

I mean DMM now is just leagues with pvp

[meager flame]

ya they always say there are rules and then we find out surprise

[nocturne solstice]

That could be viable, maybe the opposite. Wildy accessible worlds?

[meager flame]

jagex doesn't employ enough people to police this many players

[limber creek]

Exactly lmao they only checked if u were a winner. Which 99% of the playerbase was not.

[quasi glade]

The unqiue part of DMM got taken out

[meager flame]

its so consistent its insane

[quasi glade]

It's just fortnite RS now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1458852791941468160/1459242074682687498/image.png?ex=69629096&is=69613f16&hm=d2020c8a3f8fbc80e4148d7f36960e86144e3a9cbe1cdeaa5001520727b83c42&

Thoughts?

[true talon]

Bank keys were cool but they had issues with mulling and stacking like seeds

[limber creek]

As a dude that mainly pk's im only gonna play dmm to swap if they say its not against rules lol.

[quasi glade]

So we remove them entirely?

[brisk hill]

Feedback!

[quasi glade]

The entire part of DMM is wanting to kill everybody you see

Now whats the point

[meager flame]

also im ngl

[true talon]

Removing them will get more people involved in the game mode

[quasi glade]

No it wont

lol

[true talon]

Yes it will

[small anvil]

does that require the killer to have loot keys enabled?

[quasi glade]

They'll go out to pk once then quit after the first day

[small anvil]

for the anti-rag to happen

[meager flame]

i think osrs is hitting a wall without upgraded engine/infrastructure not sure which is easier to fix

[limber creek]

I def see more people gonna play it w/o bank key system for sure.
People are muling anyways most of the time so w/e....

[true talon]

Most people don’t play dmm to PvP

[meager flame]

idk if you've noticed how shit the game runs every time they release something that shakes the game up a bit

[limber creek]

sad we can't fix the shit but it is what it is.

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like your wording is confusing but if the point was if your risk is under 200k you get the 2m timer then I'm good with that.

[small anvil]

a ton of people play dmm to earn gp

[dawn jackal]

i think one issue with this is its just another non diagetic system that the player has to interact with

the wildy is already full of these

[meager flame]

but i bet they're struggling over there to keep the servers running at acceptable performance levels

[quasi glade]

I didnt want the system anyway though

Ur preaching to the converted

[limber creek]

Extremely fair point.

[dawn jackal]

idk enough about pvp to have an opinion on how it would effect gameplay

[broken flame]

Tell him to quit his job

[nocturne solstice]

I think it's a little annoying that the 200k number will need to be changed as time goes on but no reason not to implement tbh

[small anvil]

cuz that'll be helpful to your cause.... ok

[nocturne solstice]

Dude listens to pvpers, gets told to quit his job, what do they mean by this?

[small anvil]

🙃

[broken flame]

It would

[nocturne solstice]

🤔

[limber creek]

Unfortunately thats how most of us act

Ngl

[dawn jackal]

we were doing so well with actual discussion i was very impressed

[quasi glade]

I dont blame people for acting that way tbh

[meager flame]

it makes sense

[tender harness]

solution is to delete pvp.
clearly they can't behave, jagex cant design pvp and has no idea what they want.
delete pvp and start again
the 5 people who pvp will be impacted

[meager flame]

it sucks but lol

[quasi glade]

probs real frustrated that for 13 years of osrs pvp discussion has been disregarded

[small anvil]

people feel marginalized and lash out but it is absolutely not useful towards achieving the goals you want

[broken flame]

Almost Nothing from PvP discussion discord was implemented into the game

[meager flame]

every time a community starts getting hostile to a large degree rather than one off individuals

its almost always because they're ignored

[brisk hill]

5 people who pvp is so out of touch & purely rage bait lol

[meager flame]

until they just dont give a shit anymore

[limber creek]

go figure a bot just tele'd my comment outta here in 1 tick. fitting.

[quasi glade]

It's just typical human reaction

You ignore a playerbase you cant expect them to be all nice to you

[tender harness]

13 years? pvp in this game is archaic as get up. it hasn't evolved, nothing has improved.
people want to have 2007 pvp but the system inherently doesnt thrive in 2026
from a participation stand point, nevermind design and issue

[dawn jackal]

i get it its not even that pkers are ignored they are actively shit on

its just that then people can use your stupid comment as a reason to continue to actively shit on you

[limber creek]

Seeing the game be made all around ironmen is a good portion too.

You put those restrictions on yourself js. Dont punish me for it.

[small anvil]

the interest group of (people not interested in pvp) just grew so much faster than the pvper interest group

[broken flame]

Doesn’t matter if I have a valid point or not I’m just met with 1000 ironmen downvoting me or crying and spite voting my updates

: p

[dawn jackal]

ironmen get people to spend more money and pkers probably get people to spend less money its a sad space to be in

[meager flame]

i mean that part makes sense theres just enough irons playing for jagex to take it seriously

cant do the crabs in a bucket thing

[quasi glade]

Yes because one got updates and the other didnt

[narrow folio]

Naturally people will downvote anything that makes them have a disadvantage

[brisk hill]

Meh they’re ruining their own game mode. Can’t wait for the next boss that has 10k cannonball drops on it

[brisk hill]

Meh they’re ruining their own game mode. Can’t wait for the next boss that has 10k cannonball drops on it

[narrow folio]

Or easier to kill

[merry smelt]

It still feels like them making a major change to satisfy a vocal minority while ignoring the majority of multi PvP clans

[quasi glade]

You can name all the wilderness updates in the past 13 years on 2 hands

[broken flame]

If you all want single player so badly beg Jagex for an offline port of the game

[oblique mesa]

Doom already does this 😢

[small anvil]

its also cuz pvper happiness has historically come at the expense of non-pvpers (because of jagex design decisions of hunter vs prey dynamic in wildy)

[limber creek]

If we had multi revenants i bet a lot more of you would be versed in multi wilderness at least to some degree.

[narrow folio]

It makes no sense to vote for something that makes you easier to kill when you don't plan to ever pvp

[quasi glade]

I mean yeah but if we had to have a change it'd rather it be that

[tender harness]

PvPers are so dense to realize they are not only a minority, the system that they love is older than most of them and said system does not thrive in todays gaming audience

[small anvil]

as well as the fracturing of the pvp ecosystem with other pvp activities

[quasi glade]

Rather than killing multi pvp fights completely

[tender harness]

multi was dead even before this

wws

[dawn jackal]

pvpers don't think they are a majority lmao

[narrow folio]

Being versed in multi = getting tbed and specced out with no counterplay

[small anvil]

pvpers know they're an endangered species

[broken flame]

Say that to the pure community who has return fights in multi on a weekly basis

[quasi glade]

Nah your just bad with no friends lol

[meager flame]

correct however if jagex didn't push people who have no plans of ever interacting with pvp into the wild to begin with

[small anvil]

they also feel like they're actively discriminated against lol

[meager flame]

people wouldn't have an antagonistic relationship with pvp updates

jagex just fucked up bad lol

[small anvil]

but yeah this specific update just sounds like it'll kill interest in cvc multi fights

[narrow folio]

Then pvpers would complain theres no one to prey on

[limber creek]

I'm sorry you don't understand tanking. I can teach you if you'd like. Its very easy 😄

[tender harness]

most people do not care about snowflake accounts like pures

[narrow folio]

It's a fundamental design issue from the start

[broken flame]

It also applies to regular accounts you dog

:p

[meager flame]

they wouldn't if jagex worked on making actual pvp fun and gave them reasons to be out there doing things besides hunting people that don't want to be there

[merry smelt]

Does the value change if I have pots to the floor or not? What if markets change and I need to change my setup not because of what items are best but because of their GE value.......

[small anvil]

like jagex had this vision of people pvming and deciding to skull up and attack each other

that just doesnt happen

[meager flame]

this is how their whole design focus for the wild failed

[brisk hill]

Irons should be able to buy xp since they can’t use their gp!

[narrow folio]

I'm all for encouraging actual consenting fights pker vs pker

[meager flame]

they didnt try to make pvp fun they just tried to convince people that hate it to run out and die

[small anvil]

i'd much rather skull was something you paid a deposit to get and enabled you to attack others til you died

[limber creek]

i do this.

[quasi glade]

Yes i agree it's a bad system overall. (I didnt want the timer in the first place)

[oblique mesa]

Delete this

[small anvil]

ok but you're a pker more than a pvmer motivated by greed

lol

[meager flame]

so the end result is a shit ton of people that just say no to any pvp update

and pvp players quit

[merry smelt]

Sometimes by compromising we give them an easy out

[quasi glade]

I mean how often do they listen fully lol

[brisk hill]

Never

[limber creek]

but i make more money quicker by killing opponents with full bags! i'm motivated by greed even moreso by forfeiting 3 more items on death to attack them.

[merry smelt]

I mean they are obviously listening to someone

[meager flame]

and you cant even get mad at either the players voting no or the players quitting in that situation

[quasi glade]

Yeah their best friends who stream

[merry smelt]

Cuz this entire update didn't come from nowhere

[meager flame]

because jagex was fundamentally asking to create bad content so people told them to fuck off

and then other people quit because jagex wasn't giving them good content

the problem is jagex

[broken flame]

its crazy someone is upset that youre motivated by digital currency in a video game

[quasi glade]

Their opinions are more validated because they stream apparently

[brisk hill]

Which streamer even goes to multi enough that they’d want to change this

[small anvil]

im just saying you're not the same person that jagex thought they were building the wildy around with the updates that kept cramming more rewards in there

and announced drops

[limber creek]

totally true.

i don't care if i live or die.

[small anvil]

i feel like that demographic doesn't truly exist

[limber creek]

also fair af lol

[small anvil]

but they had a vision of them

[brisk hill]

They do

[small anvil]

and they couldnt let go for years

[tender harness]

Zombie Pirates moment

[limber creek]

i feel they're just pkers getting started though tbf. Like sometimes that bit of "go get em boy" is all i needed to skull when i started lol.

[small anvil]

how many people who go to pvm with 3-4 protected items have skull protection off lol

[limber creek]

NOT MANY

i skulltrick all i can lol. and a lot use the system.

[small anvil]

i'm not a fan of skull tricking

[brisk hill]

Don’t click another player then

[broken flame]

^

[brisk hill]

Hope this helped 👍

[limber creek]

Literally

[small anvil]

i go into the wildy with skull protection on

[brisk hill]

You could just turn auto retal on

[small anvil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber creek]

Its just more babyfication ever since we started ironscape lmao

[broken flame]

imagine having to use your brain mid video game session

[brisk hill]

Easy

[broken flame]

couldnt be him !

[brisk hill]

Then you’re safe bro

[small anvil]

its more that skull tricking is bad game design to have from a top down thing

[brisk hill]

Idk like

If you attack someone you skull

[limber creek]

Maybe if you're the noob being tricked.

[small anvil]

by which i mean like dropped item and ring stuff

[brisk hill]

That’s very simple

[broken flame]

idk maybe you shouldnt be attacking people

[limber creek]

If you're me its great game design.

[broken flame]

xD

[small anvil]

not attacking someone who is more dangerous than they seem

[broken flame]

it sounds like if you skulled up you are the aggressor in the situation

[brisk hill]

That’s just getting baited & even pkers have to deal with that lol

[broken flame]

even if you meant to or not, you wanted to attack someone

[oblique mesa]

Is skull tricking even really tricking anymore? Isn't it just looking like a juicy target now rather than any of the old tricks

[broken flame]

:p

[small anvil]

or like the similar name thing

those sort of things i think were bad for the wildy in the sense that people didnt wanna go back

[restive storm]

phew ate my lunch now back to pvpcord

[limber creek]

there are still methods. But pvp skull prevention kills every one of them in their tracks. Unless someone is mega dumb.

[brisk hill]

Skull tricking more prevalent in BH than wildy these days

[meager flame]

not really jagex ended real skull tricking outside of bugs with settings

[restive storm]

ill link u my video if u want

[broken flame]

so someone went out of their way to spend a bond or waited a month to change their name, you fell for it and what they should be punished for outsmarting you?

[meager flame]

skull tricking is probably closer to luring now because you just have to find an idiot

[broken flame]

:p

[small anvil]

yeah, i think thats not the type of thing you should encourage in wildy is all

[limber creek]

They just teleport out in 1 tick most of the time anyways.

[small anvil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive storm]

theyre still out there believe it or not

ferox is a little brutal these days but caves is alright

[limber creek]

Add a 1t teleport delay below 30 wilderness.
Add Multi revenants.

[narrow folio]

I think its baiting people to turn it off for an easy kill then getting swooped in on

[oblique mesa]

Yeah thats what I figured now, not much of the transmog into a pile of coins and drop a valuable item under you or w.e people used to do

[broken flame]

"we shouldnt encourage this type of activity in a virtual land that is supposed to be lawless"

you realize it is the WILDERNESS right?

[brisk hill]

Not encouraged. But pkers don’t feel sorry at all. You accept the area is dangerous when you enter. Don’t take things you don’t want to lose.

[small anvil]

ok so no point talking to bluh bluh thanks for confirming it

[tender harness]

thinking skull tricking is normal behavior or game play

[restive storm]

quite the opposite, at this point im inclined to get as many pvmers to quit the game as possible because they keep brigading polls against pvp

[small anvil]

like if you want a healthy pvp ecosystem you want people to know what they opted into

[limber creek]

These days are gone sadly. Everyone has player indicators. Wilderness player alarms. Skull prevention. 17 brews in bag and wearing full tank gear risking 0 pieces of it.
But wilderness dangyy

[brisk hill]

[small anvil]

and skull tricking where the goal was getting someone to accidentally attack when they didnt want to

[tender harness]

and this is why people hate pvpers holy

[brisk hill]

Squintz after lunch is a dangerous man

[small anvil]

is bad for the game on many levels IMO

[broken flame]

lmfao but it isnt

learn from your own mistake

[restive storm]

hey man i literally never did this pre-pj timer, but since yall put it in the game now i have nothing else to do

[dim pawn]

Random thought: Why are there no Barrows boots yet? Is anything like that planned? I think that would be a cool upgrade to Dragon boots, only slightly better like the Barrows gloves.

[small anvil]

i'm not even like morally against the people doing skull tricking

[tender harness]

that has literally nothing to do with pvmers mate.

[brisk hill]

Boot tag asking about boots. Nice

[limber creek]

You think we as pkers have never been skull tricked or fallen for baits or gotten maced in locations you wouldn't think was possible? Newsflash. We have

[meager flame]

i mean theres nothing positive for the game coming out of tricking people into doing stuff they didn't want to do like that

[analog crow]

Cat and mouse type beat
they'll ride that horse into the sunset

[restive storm]

pvmers are 100% the reason we have the pj timer, their lack of understanding the game brought it upon us

[small anvil]

i just think its a very clearly bad for ecosystem health thing for game devs to leave in the game (so they introduced anti skull)

[meager flame]

its basically just exploiting idiots or unclear game design one of the two and neither is like adding players to the game

[limber creek]

its a positive memorable experience for me and my boys. Just because you rucked up why is that my fault.

[broken flame]

i remember losing a blowpipe to robes of darkness thing before they changed GE price in pvp

[small anvil]

wildy should encourage pvpers hitting pvpers

[minor whale]

Once again they're exemplifying why Jagex and the wider community generally don't care that they're upset over changes lol

[restive storm]

this was my loot tab from the first video i had done, prob made another like 5-7b since then tho

[tender harness]

Jagex having no direction or idea for what they want to do with a dated PVP system is what got us here

[dim pawn]

i have to advertise my cause you know :D

[restive storm]

both are true at the same time

[brisk hill]

Skull tricking chat when they are changing how teleports & fights in the wilderness are about to be changed

[limber creek]

it does thats why we're skulled and have a smite prayer.

[small anvil]

jagex just loves kicking the can down the road

[restive storm]

it doesnt thats why we have the pj timer 🙁

[broken flame]

Redditors looking for reasons to branch out and cry more

[limber creek]

We're mostly teaching people who don't pvp right now.

[meager flame]

well its never happened to me but for the people that do die like that they probably feel upset and angry and that's probably not amazing for player retention lol

[dim pawn]

kicking with BARROWS boots?

[small anvil]

"teaching" (making them hate the wildy more)

[broken flame]

theres no changing your mind to begin with, youre just here to shed tears

[limber creek]

Im an adult so i don't care.

[small anvil]

yap yap bluh

[broken flame]

thats what youre doing yapping

:p

[brisk hill]

Rage bait just spams chat fellas

Reeeee

[small anvil]

i'm someone who's like sympathetic to the frustrations of pvpers but think there's a specific decision was correct and oh no cant have that

[minor whale]

He's here shedding tears?
As soon as the news post dropped this channel got filled with pkers sobbing lmao
I don't think throwing stones from a glass house is very smart lmao

[dim pawn]

ok so this is not for new game ideas but for people to fight... how useless

[broken flame]

ok little doggy

[small anvil]

instead this attitude is why people just choose to loathe anything pvp

[broken flame]

uwu

[restive storm]

i used to not really like skull tricking and then they killed singles pking entirely so i kinda stopped caring

cuz i wanted something to do

[minor whale]

New game ideas is in #1022203837265756231

[broken flame]

here comes the wanna be discord moderator Pyroseph

[limber creek]

Getting skull tricked unironically got me hooked to pvp.

[minor whale]

This channel is discussing updates to the game

[broken flame]

bahahaha

[brisk hill]

Make multi great again

[nocturne solstice]

Ive warned you previously about baiting, you quit that.

[dim pawn]

omg sorry people im so stupid

[nocturne solstice]

[meager flame]

i do wonder what its like trying to trick people or lure them these days

[brisk hill]

MMGA

[meager flame]

i kinda think it might be easier low key in some ways

[limber creek]

i can show you @meager flame

[broken flame]

how is it bait, i stated that he wants to be a moderator. its pretty factual seeing as how hes doing your job

[limber creek]

only tricking i dont lure

[meager flame]

like when i came up playing the game everyone scammed everyone so nobody trusted anything

[brisk hill]

Turkey do you pk

[meager flame]

i feel like people are softer now

[brisk hill]

Have you ever pk

Turkey

Hey

[meager flame]

so maybe its easier to trick some

yeah lol

[minor whale]

?
They had an open mod application I didn't apply to because I don't want to be a mod here, I'm just saying telling people they're crying when you're sobbing over proposed changes is funny

[restive storm]

act like a brainlet pker on one account and underlog on another. Also +1 i dont lure just skull trick

[brisk hill]

Nice

[brisk hill]

I’m applying

[minor whale]

And you acting like the kind of person people expect pkers to act like doesn't do your side any good in getting anything changed

[brisk hill]

Agree

[dim pawn]

you right sorry, apperently I cant read

[dawn jackal]

ok honest question not trying to be rude - are you (or maybe the majority of wildy enjoyers is a better way to ask) looking for fair fights?

[limber creek]

bros a clan leader learn your place peons

[dawn jackal]

or just to zatch someone and have a good time

[brisk hill]

It’s the wilderness

I don’t expect a fair fight

[dawn jackal]

not looking down on anyone

[restive storm]

when im skull tricking no

[dawn jackal]

just wondering what people who engage with wildy content are looking for

[brisk hill]

Pkers

[restive storm]

i stopped looking for fair fights when it started taking 3 hours to come across 1

[dawn jackal]

there's plenty of avenues for a "fair" fight

[brisk hill]

I’m looking for other skulled ppl to fight

[dawn jackal]

or maybe not plenty but there are alternatives

[brisk hill]

Yeah if you want a fair fight go to pvp world & stand at ge & wait for someone risking the same

[restive storm]

but no i dont think the wildy should be "fair fights" at all

[meager flame]

yeah i mean theres bh and pvp worlds if you're just dying to find someone but i understand wanting it to be the wild instead

[brisk hill]

But you won’t ever find “fair” as in skill level ever

[restive storm]

thats the entire reasons theres levels in the wilderness

[dawn jackal]

i see no issue in ragging some black chin hunters or whatever if its what you enjoy

[limber creek]

Ill fight anyone anytime if i am on. I like pkers more because they are skulled and i can smite their +1. But if i see you pvming in 4 good items. Im going to try and skull trick you.
You see its a food chain and no matter where you're at. Im going to try to eat you. There are 1000 worlds. You think im going to keep hopping after seeing a juicy snack? you're tripping and completely out of touch.

[brisk hill]

There has to be winners & losers

[meager flame]

it doesn't feel the same idk how to even describe it

[quasi glade]

why should people act in any type of way

[dawn jackal]

just looking to understand what the people who engage with the wildy think

[quasi glade]

its an mmo

not a fairytale game

lol

do you think cod polices people being toxic on there

[meager flame]

at least for me back in the day the wild was fun because you kinda didn't know exactly what you were going to find

[quasi glade]

same with wow

[restive storm]

for the most part i just miss being able to pk w/ friends

[quasi glade]

oor new world

[meager flame]

so going ge on a pvp world doesn't feel the same

[dawn jackal]

yea for sure

[oblique mesa]

Sometimes I get bored and kill ironmen at black salamanders 👉 👈

[meager flame]

personally i wish i could just delete pvp worlds and put these guys in the wild lol

same with bh

[limber creek]

OMG guys i played mortal kombat and they killed me what the Heck! I cannot believe it!

[small anvil]

if you lost 100 bucks instead of your quarter when you lost people might lose interest

[brisk hill]

What?

How does dying in a video game correlate to that

[oblique mesa]

I think they banned RWT deathmatching my friend

[small anvil]

like i understand that pvpers feel neglected and unheard but the attitude here towards people trying to have an actual conversation is part of why people just reflexively hate on pvper updates

[meager flame]

probably just the expected loss vs actual loss being way different not feeling good

[ionic tartan]

BH players would just go back to edge, in a single wildy world. That wouldn't affect how the rest of the wildy worked/works.

It's similar for pvp worlds, it's essentially players getting together doing 1v1 in a single world location without waiting on a BH target

[brisk hill]

Yeah that’s fair but put your own feelings aside & think about never getting an update for a decade & only losing updates

[analog crow]

really reinforces some unfortunate stereotypes

[brisk hill]

You’d be upset too

[restive storm]

i mean we also have people come in here and tell us we're friendless losers, and hope we quit the game. it kinda goes both ways

[brisk hill]

^

[meager flame]

oh i know people would be back in edge

[restive storm]

somehow theyre NEVER told to tone it down

[small anvil]

im saying in pvp games you just say go next, the aspect of risk in wildy is very punishing and leads to people not wanting to play that game

[brisk hill]

I’m an incel for killing someone for their spade someone told me yesterday

[meager flame]

or ferox

but like

i feel like they're more likely to branch out once they're actually there

[small anvil]

the goal should be to get pvpers back to fighting pvpers

not trying to get more fat sheep in to be slaughtered

[brisk hill]

But that doesn’t mean pvm should have a free for all farming

That’s out of touch

[small anvil]

people dont like being the sheep

[brisk hill]

lol

[small anvil]

i've never said that

[brisk hill]

Ok but

Kk then say that

[small anvil]

i want people to farm freely

[restive storm]

thats pretty much all weve been talking ab in here for 2 days straight

[brisk hill]

Yeah idk

Lol

[small anvil]

mostly i think bluh bluh has been uniquely unhelpful to the conversation

[oblique mesa]

People don't like being the sheep but then they run around with fat loot, naked, with iron in their RSN basically asking to get pk'd

[dawn jackal]

we need sheep

is my understanding

[brisk hill]

Yes

[dawn jackal]

the goal should be to get more sheep in there

[brisk hill]

It’s an ecosystem

[small anvil]

adn that the frustrations pvpers have bleeds over into making discussion unhelpful

[floral blaze]

Jagex really lost the plot 😂

[meager flame]

well tbf they probably wouldn't do this if jagex's design goal for the wild wasn't creating that guy

[dawn jackal]

not like some guy with a spade neccessarily

[small anvil]

the goal should be that wolves prefer to fight wolves

[dawn jackal]

although its not inherintly wrong to go kill the clue guy

[brisk hill]

Yes but sheep need to die

Or wolves die

Yes?

[meager flame]

i do think some of the people who get upset at dying in the wild are like

[restive storm]

its inherently wrong to NOT kill teh clue guy cuz he might have a book

[sacred oracle]

[meager flame]

having some weird emotional reaction or just really dumb and losing stuff they shouldn't have brought with them

[dawn jackal]

but without the sheep there are no people to hunt the sheep, who then could be hunted by people who want to pvp

[small anvil]

I do think squintz made excellent points months ago when i first heard him talk about the pj timer

[meager flame]

but idk why jagex kept pushing for that to happen

[dawn jackal]

and right now there are no sheep

this is my understanding of the whole situation

[small anvil]

that freeze log just disincentivises people from fighting other pvpers

[dawn jackal]

that i've gathered from a very productive day of work today

[small anvil]

The thing that i've personally had thoughts on is that the wildy is way too sparsely populated

and people dont bump into each other enough

[meager flame]

idk how they got to that point where they were trying to convince people that lose their minds if they encounter pvp to be there instead of asking like

hey how can we make pvp more fun

etc

its just so weird

[limber creek]

see this is what bothers me about the conversation. Yall act as if we only actively only target non pvpers and thats just not true. Maybe some noobs do. but a lot of us will attack anything and everything that moves. This is such a cope answer its laughable. Im sorry you got killed as a pvmer truly. But i was gonna do it to anyone there at that time.

[brisk hill]

Probably because you can enter the wilderness in every single world

[small anvil]

but a higher stickiness of interaction after bumping into each other also would help

[brisk hill]

And there are no restrictions to entering it

[analog crow]

Gotta protect item for the spade, cba going back to farming guild for another

[brisk hill]

That could possibly be why

[small anvil]

you're assuming a lot about me zom

[brisk hill]

Maybe perhaps

[small anvil]

im trying to have a real conversation re game design for the wildy

yeah im in favor of there being worlds with no wildy to concentrate people

[meager flame]

and i mean i do think some aspects of the wild are weird and would never fly if the game wasn't so set in its ways

[brisk hill]

do you pk?

[small anvil]

increasing the stickiness of interactions

[limber creek]

We're not only here for more sheep to be in the wilderness. Just fixing existing problems could provide longevity and an increased net of pkers actually fighting one another.

[brisk hill]

Do you multi pk?

[meager flame]

like logging out while fighting other players

[small anvil]

no i dont pvp

[brisk hill]

Have you pk’d during revs

[small anvil]

but i like thinking about design

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager flame]

thats probably not really how a game should work

[brisk hill]

Okiedokie

Respectfully

[restive storm]

no pj timer, multi revs return EZ GG

problems solved

[brisk hill]

The reason we are upset is because people like you with 0 experience make suggestions

[meager flame]

but i have no idea how they'd fix it

[brisk hill]

Please

[meager flame]

since its been that way for 25 years lol

[brisk hill]

Have some experience first

Then make suggestions

👍

[narrow folio]

Its ridiculous how one player can be absolutely demolishing then the other catches a frz and logs out

[small anvil]

lol

[limber creek]

Turns out if there are pvmers. Pkers show up to kill them and guess what. If there are pkers more pkers will show up to kill them. And the cycle continues. Your sheep are a building block for your wolves.

[meager flame]

i also think that if you were remaking the game today

[brisk hill]

Lol or not

That is the truth

Relevant experience is needed

[meager flame]

you probably wouldn't have the wild available on every world

[brisk hill]

For relevant opinions

In all things in life I’d assume

lol

[meager flame]

it seems like they're stretching the wilderness pretty thin by having it available on each one

[oblique mesa]

Welcome democracy 🙂

[meager flame]

considering its size and how many worlds we've got

[brisk hill]

1776 baby

[restive storm]

i dont mind people making suggestions, i just hope jagex weights the suggestions differently for people who have the experience

[small anvil]

wow got a legit awful dm from bluhbluh

jesus

[analog crow]

that's something they discussed on the official pod with torvesta and skill specs

[minor whale]

Yeah he's doing that to a lot of people lmao

[brisk hill]

I don’t either but thinking you know the best way to fix things with 0 experience is out of touch as heck :c

[floral blaze]

#NotAllVotesAreEqual

[brisk hill]

Not you either squints Ykwim

👍

[small anvil]

i dont mind admitting that my thoughts might not be fully formed

[meager flame]

i kinda want to listen to it but i also kinda dont

[small anvil]

and not backed by experience

[restive storm]

yea i feels u, but geek usually isnt wildin out too much

[oblique mesa]

This is basically the same issues that UIMs have too which is funny. Everyone wants to put their 2cents in on how the game mode should work when they don't interact with it

[meager flame]

lmao like

[limber creek]

I think we've all made great points. Even if you're not a super big pker.

[restive storm]

he aint one of the "pvp optional" andys

[meager flame]

i wish they were talking to actual devs who were going to do something that would make it more interesting

[tacit wharf]

the poh storage is a bank, and shouldnt be allowed

[small anvil]

but when throwing out ideas that help revitalize the wildy you gotta understand that it wont only be catered towards the people hunting

[restive storm]

this is our frustration exactly. This NEVER happens for pvp

[analog crow]

I saw a funny comment about it. "Drinking game: take a shot every time those two go 30 seconds without dunking on each other. You will end the podcast stone cold sober".

[limber creek]

Yeah. I dont ever comment on ironmen gamemode besides i hate em. Because i have no expertise whatsoever within it.

[narrow folio]

The whole point of uim is no bank. Storage in other ways is ok

[tacit wharf]

no

[narrow folio]

They all have their own tradeoffs

[brisk hill]

Yeah that’s what I started this whole conversation about: wildy content needs to be worth the reward. And as such, pvmers should have a reason to risk what they have to earn fortune

[narrow folio]

Of course a uim can choose not to use bag and I've met a few of those chads

[oblique mesa]

I agree with you, sadly not enough people choose the skip question option on polls when they don't know enough about it 😢

[restive storm]

best jagex can do is boss that's better to do unskulled and 1 shots pkers

[meager flame]

i actually think uim is a very good and unexpected comparison for pvp in osrs

[dawn jackal]

i think even with 5k+ hours experience pvp'ing its valuable to at least know the opinion of the guy whose pk'd once - if only because then you can try to acknowledge that opinion and try and create positive experiences for everyone (as much as possible) in your solution

[small anvil]

i think fewer worlds of wildy increasing density of people would help the complaints

[brisk hill]

4 item unskull!!!!!

[small anvil]

esp as the number of worlds has expanded

[meager flame]

neither one works the way people immediately think they would and have weird niche rules and mechanics that take a lot of time to understand

[narrow folio]

If you consolidate wildy it would be really bad for anyone trying to do a revs task or kill a wildy boss

[dawn jackal]

and like sometimes the answer is to tell some andy to piss off he doens't know what hes talking about

[meager flame]

and a bunch of people talk about both having never really experienced them

[narrow folio]

Not only for increased pker risk but also spot competition

[limber creek]

Hop somewhere with bots for 5 minutes.
Youll understand 1t teleport delay below 30. This is not meant to target real humans. This is meant to target bots with inhuman reactions.

[narrow folio]

I dont think it would work

[floral blaze]

Why is Dino of all people the first to be publically consulted for a multi update when he only engages with said content on occasions 🤔

[dawn jackal]

would removing tp's entirely from the wildy be better than a 1t delay

[narrow folio]

No

[dawn jackal]

or is teleblock a really key part of the experience

[narrow folio]

Yes otherwise everyone would use ancients

[limber creek]

Probably not ime. Teleblock is an essential part of pvp imo.

[oblique mesa]

TBing is fun and its cool to have different roles

[dawn jackal]

cool

[small anvil]

rat has had suggestions in the past of more exit points but no tps allowed

[narrow folio]

And it feels really bad running down for ages

[limber creek]

Why have tome of fire, and surge sacks, and swampbark, if not for pking.

[restive storm]

absolutely no streamer, outside of maybe nish (multi specifically), should ever be consulted on pvp updates again

[small anvil]

and tb not allowing you to enter the safe spots

[restive storm]

they literally play a different game than us

[meager flame]

reading between the lines with jagex i think the real reason they talk to pvp streamers so much is because they justify pvp and working on it as a viewership/advertisement investment

[narrow folio]

Like ferox?

So ferox but more

[meager flame]

idk if thats really how it should be

but thats how it looks

[ember token]

i’ve suggested reducing the number of worlds the wildy is available on before and it’s definitely not a popular idea

[narrow folio]

It would be a downgrade for my experience because it slows down clues or banking even when not being attacked

[restive storm]

i was told that dmm allstars "brought tons of popularity to pking and the wildy was popping" afterwards, and i almost threw up on the spot

[limber creek]

They talk to single pkers who have had 1 multi event in a month type shit. They dont speak to the players out here actively.

[meager flame]

through that lense they actually do a good job

they get a lot of eyes on pvp without getting a lot of players playing

but the people playing and not streaming are likely pissed

[restive storm]

except for the fact that that was wholeheartedly a lie, and told to me by someone hwo got to play the event

soo

[oblique mesa]

real talk, jagex should have had dmm start after all stars. Really missed the train on the community hype

[meager flame]

oh yeah if they said people actively pking was popping

they were just lying

but if they said they got great viewership

they weren't

[narrow folio]

Most players like watching them but not actually pvping themself and it brings in viewers

[restive storm]

yeah viewership i wont argue, but when u get viewership, then they log in and the game isnt anything like what they watched

why would they continue playing

[limber creek]

Man idc about dmm. Fix what we can play 365.

[meager flame]

i think part of it is that most of the viewership is likely people who already play osrs

[limber creek]

They added tele delay to rev caves without diary. Same system pre 30. Add multi rev caves.

[small anvil]

people who watch mma dont want to do it necessarily

[meager flame]

but dont plan to pvp to begin with

[restive storm]

i love dmm but i agree, rerun last one, and focus on main game

[narrow folio]

Like id say pk streams more entertaining than pvm

[meager flame]

its just extra engagement to make people feel like stuff is happening basically

[narrow folio]

By a long shot

Skilling is just "just chatting" with a background

[restive storm]

pk streams now are super lame

[dawn jackal]

skilling streams are all just radios but thats because skillers are not very adjusted people

[restive storm]

you used to be able to go join in

[narrow folio]

Ah

[limber creek]

Oh wow lets watch 2 dudes try to outlast each other in 12 brew setups gigamax.

[dawn jackal]

and like watching someone go brazy on the granite isn't a super engaging experience

[floral blaze]

Bring back multi revs bally streams

[restive storm]

while they both whine about the other bringing more than 9 brews

its unwatchable

[limber creek]

So exciting oh another ancient godsword spec wow...

so cool

[brisk hill]

Wait lol he has korasi too because it’s meta for outlast haha who would’ve guessed

[restive storm]

any "how is he still eating?"'ers in the chat?

[limber creek]

see look guys he teled back up after 2 minutes haha nothings changed!

[restive storm]

bro just lemme get yelled at for tryina dds spec someone on the focus again

[oblique mesa]

All sounds better than watching someone pvm or skill sorry boys

[brisk hill]

Just let me get anti’d while in the dd again idc

[restive storm]

they aint call me the Kill Boxer for nothin

[quasi glade]

He thinks he knows about pvp because he streamer masses 300 people and is surprised that people have to return vs him

lol

Imagine having to return down 250 people

lol that clan is so bad they didnt mass 300 random people from a streamer mass

[limber creek]

are we allowed to post video links here?

[brisk hill]

Yeah they embed

[quasi glade]

Like what he's doing is actually quite toxic

it doesnt encourage skill or anything

It encourages brainless masses of people

[limber creek]

i love when streamers mass tf. easy loot lol

[quasi glade]

So you just outnumber people

[limber creek]

so many smites

[quasi glade]

Yes but jmods shouldnt be asking HIM for advice

[meager flame]

i mean its probably good that people try that stuff

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah but it needs roles to be able to. You could post in #videos-and-streams then link your post here though I think 🤔

[quasi glade]

He has never clanned in his life

[meager flame]

they get to try some pvp and you get to farm them with the boys if you've got enough people

since they don't really know what they're doing

[quasi glade]

Id be fine if he didnt ask HIM for advice about clanning

Because he doesnt clan

He masses 300 randoms to run around the wilderness and cry about how nobody will fight him evenly

At 11am gmt

😂

[restive storm]

equally its toxic whenever they ask streamers how to improve the wildy cuz all theyre interested in is bullying new players trying out the wildy while in a giga set lol

[quasi glade]

He should not be the first point of contact when asking for advice for multi

There are hundreds of clans and alot of clan leaders that you can ask

You can pretty much ask all of them about ragging and how it should be combatted

Since they deal with it the most

Most clan leaders are rationale if you talk to them like a human

[restive storm]

most pkers (the few that are left) are tbh

but it gets old having the same 5 streamers decide the fate of pvp for 5 years straight and it being a disaster

[narrow folio]

Didn't realize the pk community felt that wat about streamers

[meager flame]

its because actually pking is not like being a streamer at all

but not many people participate to know

[restive storm]

this

[brisk hill]

Our Reddit posts aren’t as popular as others

[restive storm]

they sit solo all day talking to their chat, when other pkers dont have 900 chatters to keep them from getting bored to death while hopping wrolds

[oblique mesa]

Bit of an understatement there

[zinc galleon]

not a single post with wilderness feedback from the blogmade it into the positive upvote threshold KEKW

[brisk hill]

I think if you were to ask what their chat was doing you’d find out really quick how much the PvP scene is still engaging lmfao

[restive storm]

everytime i post pvp stuff on reddit i get the auto bot notification that ive been notified to talk to a certain hotline

stable community there

[meager flame]

thats just reddit overall

if you say something against the hivemind it gets ugly in like 5 minutes

[floral blaze]

I noticed that as well

[limber creek]

Add multi revenants back to the game.
Add a 1t teleport delay to sub 30 wilderness. (For bots)

[meager flame]

lmao thats how reddit breaks game studios

its just a bunch of people that all convince themselves everyone thinks the same thing and then they bomb the internet with their opinion until its all you see when you try and google whatever the topic is

[restive storm]

oh god theres like MAYBE 3 people in chat that are also out there pking

and then they just fight each other cuz nobody else is out thre

[limber creek]

https://i.gyazo.com/bf16db1936ec339cb9ed5f40e0eb00c8.gif

Sparc macs tribe on chaos altar update

That guy is surely a master multi strategist sending his entire team through a chokepoint.

[zinc galleon]

sparc mac masses were hilarious

[quasi glade]

I'm fine with streamer masses

Im not fine with streamers having the first point of contact

[limber creek]

Im just showing the type of stuff they do and we rely on them to shape pvp is so bad.

[quasi glade]

For the health of multi

They are biased to whats good for their stream

[limber creek]

FYI we didn't have 1/10th of his team and cleared them out.

[quasi glade]

Not what's good for the wilderness

[floral blaze]

"Pker vs PVPer" distinction redditors have been hellbent on forcing is always funny to read. They've always meant the same thing as far as I remember

[quasi glade]

Whilst clanners are biased to what's good for their clan ( in most cases thats good for all pkers )

[limber creek]

someone argued that yesterday with me... ur still a player even if ur running thats a choice lol.

[floral blaze]

Typical victim community

[restive storm]

the same bozos arguing that, also REFUSE to acknowledge that the pj timer prevents pker v pvper interactions lol

[limber creek]

im biased to want to kill bots below 30 wilderness by adding a 1t teleport delay( this wont affect most humans whatsoever)

[dawn jackal]

its kinda weird its this way in every "high level" community i've ever come across

[quasi glade]

Streamers dont care whats good for the game

They'll just move onto the next thing

[dawn jackal]

other than like maybe 1-2 outliers for example every pvmer or skiller is also not liked by the high level communities

[zinc galleon]

logout delay too pls 🙂

[limber creek]

im starting small lol. one day maybe.

[quasi glade]

As long as OSRS doesn't die they'll have something to stream

[brisk hill]

It’s not weird at all. Think of it as their livelihood. Of course the streamers want something that caters to them specifically. the majority of the playerbase ISNT a streamer leaving their take out of touch

[quasi glade]

So who cares if they kill pvp

[restive storm]

we all arent as skilled as people who can afford to spend 16 hours a day looking for "fair 1v1 fights" as they cave everyone elses head in since its their job to do so lol

[quasi glade]

It's like in league where all the one trick steamers begging for their champ to be buffed (the team doesnt listen to them)

Whereas if literally every multi pker is telling you this is bad for multi and you still do it

You are actively killing pvp and dont care that you are doing it

hur dur lemme listen to purespam

or dino

or odablock

or wiggled

or kempq

Their job is literally to make yt videos about random stuff in osrs

not multi pk

[brisk hill]

Oda got famous for being a degen staker l0l

[quasi glade]

Multi pking can die tomorrow and it wont impact them

[brisk hill]

Not multi pk streams

[dawn jackal]

well like hebox for example is not a bad skiller at all but basically as soon as he got popular most of the skilling community kinda rejected him

probably not an apples to apples comparison

but just something interesting i don't fully understand

[narrow folio]

Wdym rejected

[quasi glade]

I mean idc that they multi pk i just hate their opinion is valued higher for some reason

All they do is stream the game

[dawn jackal]

maybe relentlessly mocked is a better term than rejected

[restive storm]

kempq doesnt even do any pking anymore that isnt like, hunting a lvl 14 lurer in pvp worlds

[quasi glade]

lol he knows alot about multi tho

add him into the pvp dream team

purespam (only highrisk and single pker) let him decide whats good for pvp

dino (only goes in multi in 400 man streamer mass)

let him decide

posionpotion ?

[restive storm]

this one hurts, as he CONSISTENTLY talks about the pj timer still being a good thiing

despite a totally dead wildy

[quasi glade]

Didn't hurt his paycheck from yt or streaming so its the same for him

lol

[floral blaze]

Mr. "I Killed 10,000 Bots" (cap btw)

[restive storm]

i mean for him it helped, he never used to wildy pk, now its about 20% of his stream content

doesnt matter that it bricked the game for the rest of us it was still a net positive for him

[narrow folio]

What! Why would they mock him?

[oblique mesa]

I hope someday that someone will love me as much as you hate the pj timer @restive storm

[narrow folio]

Can you state your reasons why pj timer is bad?

[brisk hill]

Makes wildy cookie cutter

Catch a freeze & hug to escape 100% of the time

[oblique mesa]

PKing on the BH worlds with the boys is actually fun tbh even if you are a complete scrub

[restive storm]

theres 5 total interactions that can now take place

whereas anything could happen before

[brisk hill]

Yeah like here’s your options

You die, they die, you leave wildy, you freeze & log

That’s it lol

[minor whale]

I dunno
I think singles being... singles
Makes sense
Not singles meaning 1 at a time freezing you while a clan consistently pj's to dump spec

[brisk hill]

Ok but what hope do you have as a defenseless pvmer if Jimmy megatron gets on you

[minor whale]

If you want to fight with the boys go multi
If you want to fight 1v1 don't expect to be able to get your boys in to help

[restive storm]

more like 1. i bully this guy, 2. he bullys me, 3. its a bot, cba, 4. we're about equally matched (cannot understate how rare this is), inevitably 1 freeze logs, 5....honestly theres only really 4 options

[oblique mesa]

Cry on reddit until they make the wildy unplayable

[restive storm]

this is spoken like someone who does not understand singles or multi pking in any sort of capacity

[limber creek]

about as many options as you have as johnny pker.

Unless you're a top pker you're not handling an ahk bot. Contrary to popular belief we are not all odablock.

[restive storm]

mind you the wildy way singles (can pj) for like 15 straight years and was active, now that they decided to change precedent its never been in a worse state

[minor whale]

I've been helping ask for a pvp channel for a year in that suggestions thread and have done a fair amount of pvp
I always thought it was stupid when you're in a 1v1 that suddenly you'd see another white dot and you knew you were about to get frozen and pjed

[restive storm]

this is why pvp worlds existed

[brisk hill]

That’s cool but the rest of the pvp scene strongly disagrees

[restive storm]

or bh

[brisk hill]

& tbh fwiw, I’d probably take the opinions of those who actively engage with the activity than those who don’t

[restive storm]

"if only the wildy was really 1v1 i'd go pking!"

[brisk hill]

Even if you Jimmy pvmer lad thinks it’s best

[restive storm]

that did not pan out

[brisk hill]

I’d still listen to those around me saying “no”

[obsidian venture]

Tbh this would appeal to folks getting into this. The whole system is just so ancient

[scarlet dawn]

Dont click?

[restive storm]

it was 1 million times easier getting into pking pre pj timer, is that what you mean?

[obsidian venture]

Pvp is so in the bin they need to kinda rebuild it somehow

[obsidian venture]

Nah I’m saying for current audiences

[brisk hill]

Just let it die & let ppl play snowflake Ironman that drops everything they need at a guaranteed 1/50 drop rate

[obsidian venture]

I prefer the pj system personally

[restive storm]

oh theres absolutely 0 chance, its never been harder to get in rn

if you were new, imagine running to 304 altar for your first pk trip rn

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it’s cooked

[restive storm]

or tryina tb the 1 tick tele bots lol

[scarlet dawn]

@brisk hill Ive been reading some posts in here.. man I cant

[obsidian venture]

Hopped on by someone in moons or virtus/bowfa

[restive storm]

then if you DO land that, 1ticking every bolt and freeze off prayer

cuz the bots all have prayer clients

[limber creek]

i dont mind this. I like the challenge.

But i do mind the auto freaking out even if i hit the tb

[restive storm]

as opposed to, ur buddy tbs a bot, then you can at least be on ancients to try and work it down faster

rather than trying to do it on a half w/ entangles

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

I think ‘piling’ was one of the best things to exist tbh

[brisk hill]

Sadge

[restive storm]

it also would mess up bots prayers more often etc, since they wouldnt know exactly which is going to hit

[obsidian venture]

So much coordination

[brisk hill]

Watching people escape was great content too

[obsidian venture]

Encouraged actual teamwork and the person had to tank well

[restive storm]

like it was 1 million times easier to learn, and its CRAZY to think otherwise, than getting your head caved in by westham on ur first trip out there

[obsidian venture]

Sometimes the person would have backup and now you’re tryna escape

[narrow folio]

So you're abusing the system to basically trade off specs on someone in singles?

[brisk hill]

Can’t wait to go back!

[obsidian venture]

Not abusing

It was the system

[restive storm]

and utilize more spellbooks, and play alongside friends yes

[narrow folio]

Only thing I like about that is the tank test videos are entertaining

[restive storm]

then you also run the risk of getting hit by other teams

and you and ur boy gotta try and get a box on each other lol

or get outta there

[obsidian venture]

It was fun in general and if you got to tank, that was a feelsgoodman

[restive storm]

talking smack to meds that failed to kill a pure

[obsidian venture]

Have friends hit certain people off if possible

[restive storm]

was the best feeling ever

[limber creek]

pulling up on a small group in big max with a large group then having a larger group eat you. Classic.

[restive storm]

your team is on the focus and all of a sudden you see 10 more white dots running at you lmao

"let a real demon on the kill" and hes got an rcb glory dds

[obsidian venture]

It’s been hop sim post that and it’s just boring

[restive storm]

bro this game used to give me so many hilarious memories lmao

[narrow folio]

It doesn't seem fair because it's singles though. It should be 1v1. I admit that being on the piling side is fun for the coordination.

[obsidian venture]

Not sure what would revitalize it nowadays

It was fair

[brisk hill]

Reverting it back to the old system

[restive storm]

its fun even when you GET piled too

theres more going on

[brisk hill]

Simple as

[restive storm]

it wasnt, ok just freeze the guy and log out

[obsidian venture]

The bragging rights when you tanked well?

[brisk hill]

But nowadays you have no chance surviving a half w/ all the OP things we have

[obsidian venture]

Some teams would off you after being embarrassed

[restive storm]

there was more to it, the encounters went on for hours, cuz if YOU got out, your BUDDY might get tbed and you gotta haul back there

to now save him

and snowballs etc

[obsidian venture]

It was completely fair as that was the risk of the wildy

You opted in knowing you could get piled

[minor whale]

Reverting to no pj timer while ignoring that the potential kos are significantly easier than ever seems a bit disingenuous

[obsidian venture]

Now its what’s squintz said

[restive storm]

ehh you sstill can with a box, or monsters hitting people off. If youre just in no mans land w/ no npcs and no friends you were dead, but u kinda always were

[obsidian venture]

Unfortunately for him he’s hardstuck pvp

[obsidian venture]

They need to balance this as well

[minor whale]

Sure you could tank 10 people but now those 10 people are running vw/claws

And you aren't going to survive that unless you're a brew pack yaker

[obsidian venture]

• surge pot

[restive storm]

are we forgetting claws/dbows all existed back then anyway?

[oblique mesa]

Box + X Log one of your boys and hope he doesnt fuck up the x log

[obsidian venture]

Lb

[restive storm]

no affect cuz people would just hit house and return

[obsidian venture]

Nah it’s just nasty now

Nox hally even on rag

[restive storm]

THAT i can see them fixing

[minor whale]

Like saying go back to the good old days of no pj timer doesn't make sense when there's about a dozen things that make those times not able to exist anymore

[restive storm]

there was always a little excitement logging back in not knowing if you made it or not lmao

[limber creek]

@ember grove do you pk at all ever?

[restive storm]

except that there arent a dozen things making it not possible to exist anymore

[brisk hill]

Just 1 lol

The pj timer

[restive storm]

the pj timer and jagex unwillingness to admit they were wrong

[obsidian venture]

Did they ever explain why?

Maybe a blog on the thought process

[restive storm]

no

"data" they claimed to have, and subsequently havent talked about or shown for the last 5 years

lookin @ u ayiza

[nocturne solstice]

Why they added the pj timer?

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[floral blaze]

5 years and still missing the mark on everything pvp, bravo 👏 😂

[nocturne solstice]

I think it was on the blog it was to counter clans locking down rev caves.

That was the main reason

[obsidian venture]

I remember reading that way back

[narrow folio]

Then it went to singles plus

[obsidian venture]

But forgot any reasoning

[limber creek]

oh wow. So readd multi revs

[brisk hill]

We believe that these changes will have a positive impact on PvP activity in the Wilderness but as always we'll continue to monitor the effects of this update moving forwards. Once you've given the new system a try, send us your feedback and let us know what you think of the newest changes.

Nothing about revs

👍

[nocturne solstice]

Seems to be also from kill stealing?

[restive storm]

has a bigger lie ever been told than the fiurst sentence lmao

[brisk hill]

And for those of you who like their Wilderness combat just as it was, you'll be happy to hear that the new PJ Timer is inactive on worlds 318 and 319.

These worlds are dead

Does anyone know why