game-update

[torpid hawk]

and sometime another team

focuses

that team

[scarlet dawn]

Being able to log out during a fight in singles plus is the most boring thing to witness

[brisk hill]

It’s almost like the reason why we have so much power creep?

Nobody dies

So bring korasi with guarenreed damage in game

[torpid hawk]

People acting like they going to be running around untouched in 1b gear

no other teams

will hunt

your team

and vice versa

[zinc galleon]

yeah it's incredibly anti-social when your easiest course of player interaction is to log out/leave the game

[torpid hawk]

It's a sympton of having 0 friends not to flame any1

[scarlet dawn]

I get that spec dumping is ridiculous, but so is logging out. The concept is broken.

[brisk hill]

Or being in the wrong clan / team

Also not flaming

[restive storm]

they just dont really play the content, or never did back in those days so dont really understand how it works

they just think every1 runs around in a 30 man team in singles in torva/ancestral

[torpid hawk]

dino does tho lol

and purespam

lol

[haughty anvil]

You guys aren't making a very good argument of why the singles area of combat shouldn't be 1v1

[torpid hawk]

its an mmo

ll

[mortal narwhal]

Thing is miss most about old revs, is the whole idea that you and your team could just hop around and have surprise PKRIs/multi fights.

Revs was a concentrated place to do this, and when they took that away you jus it never had another place that was suitable pop up, this is why wildy activity got decimated

[broken flame]

This

[brisk hill]

This isn’t about singles lol

It’s about multi

You brought up singles

[scarlet dawn]

Someone brought up singles plus

[brisk hill]

Multiple times lol

[mortal narwhal]

Until they incentivize multi like that again its gonna remain a shadow of what it used to be

[torpid hawk]

People will say wow wilderness died because of clan fights

XD

nah its the lack of good updates

[brisk hill]

Or updates detracting from the wild lol

[zinc galleon]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be 1v1, i'm saying it was a more fluid and social experience how it used to be

[torpid hawk]

pvp arena?

bh

pvp worlds

lms

[haughty anvil]

Yeah I just said singles plus saved the game to trigger your pea brain into a rage fit. You're correct.

[torpid hawk]

soul wars

[restive storm]

it was infinitely more fun, that was a good reason

[torpid hawk]

runescape is an mm

o

[brisk hill]

What a weird thing to say in a community discord lol

[torpid hawk]

i didnt know mmo's were single players

lol

[covert cradle]

waaaaah me and my buddies cant team up to kill a pvmer waaah

[brisk hill]

No we can

We do in multi

👍

Now I just have to wait 2 mins before killing the next Vetion bot

[restive storm]

this man just hates poor little timmy noobs goin out to try and have some fun

[torpid hawk]

i mean he's an ironman

[zinc galleon]

how many barriers can they put in between players interacting with eachother in the wildirness speed run xd

[torpid hawk]

he's never killed another player for more than 60k risk

[covert cradle]

hey i smited a chainmace on my vw grind

[restive storm]

prob thinks salvaging is good content too 🤦‍♂️

[oblique mesa]

So like the average multibot?

[covert cradle]

says the guy with 99 sailing from salvaging

[mortal narwhal]

This is actually jagexs way of encouraging multi clans to bond up multiple accounts to generate more money for themselves.

9001 iq play

[silk crag]

rebonding my range tank

[scarlet dawn]

Dont forget to train your accs on your own 🙂

[silk crag]

been lured for my gp

[chilly swan]

is there a reason they can't just add a multi rev cave but keep the singles one? singles + has its place but no need to detract from multi to do it...

[mortal narwhal]

I wouldnt dare let a venezuelan make an acc for me, naturally

[restive storm]

i didnt say it was good content

[torpid hawk]

jagex wants to kill pvp

du

h

[covert cradle]

neither did i

[scarlet dawn]

Bad working conditions ikr haha

[oblique mesa]

That was actually talked about in one of the recent podcasts the jmods did

[zinc galleon]

or maybe having sections of multi and singles in the cave I would love for them to experiment in any way like that with it

[ripe hare]

Hi @mortal narwhal glad seeing u here

[mortal narwhal]

Hi @ripe hare glad seeing u here

[scarlet dawn]

Hi pkers glad seeing u here

[torpid hawk]

wow so many clans that hate eachother agreeing

on the same thing

[ripe hare]

I think I made some clanners mad with my crystal bow

[covert cradle]

multi rev caves would just be what it was before singles plus, pay for protection or get piled by a vene clan

[torpid hawk]

add a 200k entry fee

[restive storm]

u can just say u never went there its ok

cuz that was like 5/200 worlds

[ripe hare]

First of all who's idea was it to make a 2 minute timer

[mortal narwhal]

Eop losing the Rag war to IF is what put this (((bad))) update on the radar

[covert cradle]

thats so cap lmao

[restive storm]

it isnt

[ripe hare]

Almost I didn't leave never did.

[scarlet dawn]

F2p teleblock polls were wild back then.. good times. Enemies became friends.

[restive storm]

the totals were locked down and had prot clans, but basically no other worlds had that, they just had a lotta ppl pking there

[brisk hill]

Please keep your ego out of this discord men like this could be your one shot to save multi lol

Great you closed his clan move on lol

[silk crag]

clan beef for other discords

[chilly swan]

did they actually say anything of value though or just bs

[ripe hare]

@mortal narwhal Sorry man

[scarlet dawn]

@brisk hill for mod

[wheat ravine]

gg raggers u won’t be missed

[oblique mesa]

Talking about how a seperate multi area seems like a good idea and they weren't happy overall with how multi revs was handled

[brisk hill]

See?^ and people wanna be weird ego nerds when the whole game rooting against you lol

[scarlet dawn]

Raggers will only multiply with this

[zinc galleon]

this still exists at places like BH, you can find protection or clans for any wilderness content: rogue chests, callisto, bone altar... mercenary life

[ripe hare]

Ye sure

[covert cradle]

ya nothing like the scale that was at multi revs

[ripe hare]

But first of all who's decision was it to make this weird change

@umbral falcon was it you?

[mortal narwhal]

Some dork

All I know

[analog crow]

It was me, you're all welcome

[vivid ruin]

If you dont have 5 ragger accs on standby for this idk what you do with yourself

[ripe hare]

Can you salvage or something

[brisk hill]

Do you think multi revs would really be as bad though? Think about the times. Covid had hit. Of course multi revs is gonna be held down when majority were unemployed

[covert cradle]

for sure would be

[restive storm]

can it really be any worse than current rev caves?

which is literally 99% gold farmers/bots

[brisk hill]

With gold being less than a quarter a mil?

Idk

[ripe hare]

^ Why wouldnt they monitor that

They monitor 48h - 150h wars

But the change is horrible, and I want @brisk hill to appeal the feedback.

[brisk hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709498526106648617/1458898451856232512/IMG_7782.png?ex=6961508f&is=695fff0f&hm=6e8eaed7c6c357ddbf0c8f82ce1a76890553e0fecae0e24b7b0da757695bb161&

[merry smelt]

With how many servers we have now every clan could have their own one lol

[brisk hill]

Still makes 0 sense to me lol

[brisk hill]

Yeah l0l 450 worlds gz everyone

[ripe hare]

If VR stopped with Doxing, it would be much healthier.

[merry smelt]

They really need to reduce the amount of servers we have to hop to find fights

[ripe hare]

currently im at 520 gdz

[restive storm]

fellers while ur here if u can add ur support here https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1420260286929047654 so we can actually have a channel to discuss pking stuff, rather than needing to fight the hordes of "whats the best weapon i should use to fight giiant mole?" in here

[ripe hare]

no it's a game update, we discuss it here.

[restive storm]

in this case... but what happens when we dont get another wildy update for 2 years

[analog crow]

you saw this update and want seconds huh?

[ripe hare]

idc the wild was good how it was

didnt need any update

[prime vault]

Pretty much already there anyways lol

[haughty anvil]

That's very true as well. It's about time game updates embraced the pvp community.

[restive storm]

ill never rest until singles+ is gone and they admit that it was an awful idea

[analog crow]

you'll need a lot of g fuel then

[brisk hill]

Gl fella I’ll pray for you

[merry smelt]

It's good to find ways to improve PvP and the wilderness but this update greatly missed the mark

[ripe hare]

Durial321 would've prevented this

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

[brisk hill]

Jed would’ve never let this happen

[haughty anvil]

You ain't ever resting unless you go to the bh world.

[ripe hare]

^ LOL

[restive storm]

unironically bring him back

least we had quality updates, just keep a close eye on him

[haughty anvil]

Actually dying

[brisk hill]

Didn’t that guy design multi revs?

No meme fr bring him back rn

[ripe hare]

teal for jagex president rn

[zinc galleon]

part of the legendary mythos of Jed the Angel of Chaos and Death

[restive storm]

god its so sad the amount of content we used to get with a small team, and now we have an ENORMOUS jmod team and we get nothing lol

[ripe hare]

do you call them big

[brisk hill]

Nothing? Haha dude did you read the rest of the blog?

We got mole slippers with prayer bonus lol

Gz me

[restive storm]

very LARGE

[ripe hare]

I can get a slayer hood cosmetic right now

Might return in 2 minutes with that

[cold mural]

Yo

[brisk hill]

Hello mine leader

[restive storm]

havent seen a1 since the days of the PvP discord... man jagex really screwed up for u to be in here huh

[round lintel]

I hope they think about asking 1k slayer points, to me sounds silly

[ripe hare]

i hope what make them think to make this update

[chilly swan]

all slayer helms are 1k each what is the problem

[ripe hare]

the rest of the worthless updates

[cold mural]

I mean largely update is good for RoT. We pull the most and got the best members. Sucks for anybody else though.

[round lintel]

Not true, Jad, zik and Zuk are not points related

[chilly swan]

just do wildy slayer points are free

[haughty anvil]

That guy who does the runenews is about to lose his mind.

[brisk hill]

Idk what that is but I’ll educate myself

[round lintel]

a guy in youtube that every week says Mole Slippers will go to 30M by end of year as weekly joke thinking is funny

[brisk hill]

Insider trading?

[haughty anvil]

yeah this i forgot his name

[zinc galleon]

What are some things you would like to see for the wilderness? Curious about your perspective.

[cold mural]

A good multi hotspot.

[round lintel]

Less bots

[restive storm]

you dont love multi bosses?

[cold mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[zinc galleon]

What would be your criticisms and things you possibly like about the multi bosses?

[restive storm]

the escape caves

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-ww2-traumatized-meme-eyes-gif-12257475272172704406

[cold mural]

^

[round lintel]

Killing Calvarion, Spindel and Artio is a pain with bots, 50+ world hop

[cold mural]

I can type essays about how bad the rework was

[brisk hill]

That’s singles beast lock in with us in multi

[restive storm]

still untouched after all this time despite how atrocious they are

[zinc galleon]

understandable

[cold mural]

Wilderness restricted worlds too would be nice

950 worlds is very cool

[round lintel]

I mean someone asked what id like to see in wildy xd

[chilly swan]

are you scared to crash the bots or something

[scarlet dawn]

Good update for pvmers that is

[cold mural]

Would condense activity

A diary req for multi variants of wilderness bosses

[round lintel]

or they crash me on my iron

[bronze kernel]

Point boosting is now better than ever with the block list changes. Mazchna boost OP

[cold mural]

Fixing the freezing within the escape caves

[sacred oracle]

I think it would be better for pvp to condense the players into wilderness-enabled worlds, but I don't know if it would be better than the game.

[mortal narwhal]

Ayo thats actually a great idea

[restive storm]

yea restricted worlds are so needed

[oblique mesa]

@cold mural what's your take on the PJ timer should ever world be a bh world

[sacred oracle]

Currently, it's extremely safe to do random content in the wilderness unless it's specifically a hot spot like the bosses or revs, and even then you'll often see no one for the former.

[cold mural]

PJ timer XD. Was good for RoT but bad for the game. Made macing very easy!

[sacred oracle]

I've died twice doing clues in wilderness in like a whole year.

[cold mural]

Didn't have to worry about 80 single pkers trying to hit me!

[sacred oracle]

And once was just because I wasn't paying any attention: I could easily have logged.

[restive storm]

revs is still extremely safe cuz u just click barraga and log out

[cold mural]

Or safespot

[brisk hill]

Screen flashes when someone comes in screen too so it’s braindead easy

[mortal narwhal]

Extended logout timer for pvmers would be sick, and I still thing the game needs a teleport delay in the wild

[zinc galleon]

Yeah, wilderness slayer with player alarm is so free xD

[sacred oracle]

I think I like the wilderness like this, though. I just barely ever seen anyone at all. I don't even bother ungeared to ungear for most of my deep wildy steps any more, I just trust I'll be able to get the logout if I see anyone at all.

I don't like the pvp aspect of wilderness very much, so I'm okay with this.

I don't presume to know if that's good for the game, though.

[ripe hare]

The wild is loaded at all times probably the wrong worlds ure in

[restive storm]

it definitely prevents me from ever ever recommending osrs to friends

[sacred oracle]

Nah, it's a ghost town, at least for the stuff I do.

[sacred oracle]

Why would that prevent you?

[restive storm]

cant play w/ em

so why bother

[sacred oracle]

I'm not sure I follow you. Is the wilderness the only place you would be able to play with your friends?

[mortal narwhal]

Yeah I mean pking and clans tend to be focused in a few particular Hotspots naturally

[sacred oracle]

It's a rather large game.

[restive storm]

yes

[sacred oracle]

I should think you could find literally anything else to do.

[restive storm]

the rest of the game is unfun

[mortal narwhal]

If you avoid those, you wont see a soul

[cold mural]

For the most part the wilderness is dead content. No reason to go to most of it. The parts that semi good are botted to hell so it's also worthless.

[scarlet dawn]

Staff-only worlds 😄

[bronze kernel]

It's mostly a lose-lose situation right now with most situations.

[limber creek]

Sure would be nice if there was a tick delay before teleporting in slayer caves oh.. a 2 minute delay on teleporting back to fights. Thanks jagex.

[brisk hill]

Interesting point. So pkers should be forced out of wildy but pvmers shouldn’t be forced into wildy?

Hmm

[cold mural]

Jagex clearly has an agenda to remove pvp in the coming years.

[brisk hill]

Idk

[mortal narwhal]

If you want to solve the bot problem this is how

[sacred oracle]

No one is being forced in or out of anywhere, so I disagree with the premise.

[limber creek]

even a single tick would make an incredible difference and it hasn't been adressed in fuckin years lol.

[sacred oracle]

I am a big wilderness coward, and I hate getting pk'd—but I'm also a pet hunter, so I faced a choice: write off all the wilderness pets, or suck it up and do the content.

[mortal narwhal]

The amount of times I land a TB as the target is teleporting out is infuriating

[sacred oracle]

I have all the wilderness pets now.

[merry sail]

the bottom line is return wars and returning fast has been a staple in osrs multi pking since the beginning. being able to return with your clan quickly is huge. I think this update is totally unnecessary.

[sacred oracle]

I simply did the content.

I could just as easily have not done the content.

[brisk hill]

Pvmers are upset they have to go to wildy for ma2 cape. Are you sure about that?

[sacred oracle]

That was my choice. I wasn't forced.

[cold mural]

Wilderness content is easy to do if you are aware.

You actually wont die alot if you turn your brain on.

[restive storm]

my brains off and i still dont die

[sacred oracle]

I'm also a clogger, so I need a lot of the clog from revs

[round lintel]

I am a bad loser i hate dying to a pker so i always bring a spec weapon and fight back, and have my main geared and risking if i get pked on my iron

[chilly swan]

ye and for us noob/small time pkers this shit sucks, discourages people getting into it to go back and support their team

[cold mural]

But since the removal of the PVP discord idt any of this is even getting seen.

[sacred oracle]

But I dislike wilderness content too much to get that clog, so I remain rev clogless

That's also my choice

[silk crag]

Screen flashes as soon as a dot comes on screen, you dont need brain processing

[sacred oracle]

No forcing is happening

[ripe hare]

It's a @umbral falcon idea

[limber creek]

as if they even looked at the pvp discord though lol

[haughty anvil]

Surely you don't believe this.

[restive storm]

ill never forgive him for trying to get my pure banned for having the gall to pk in 2k worlds

[cold mural]

Manked or Goblin or whoever will glance at it, See it's not 1 of their streamer friends and disregard the discussion

[sacred oracle]

Sure I do. If you don't want to do a piece of content, you don't have to do it.

It's that simple.

No one's forcing anyone anywhere.

People feel forced, but that's on them.

I don't like Inferno, so I don't have an infernal cape, despite having 1400+ clog and 55+ pets and thousands of hours bossed.

I don't like it, so I didn't do it.

[ripe hare]

Long story short, horrible pvp update for the clanning community.

[sacred oracle]

I'm not forced by its existence.

[cold mural]

For the wilderness in general

[sacred oracle]

But some people feel forced to do things they don't like, and that's on them.

[merry sail]

I also dont understand why after a decade of returning at annakarl in a prompt manner needs to be changed now with no polling or anything. This is literally why clans strategize to return in different areas of the map instead of annakarl. lol.

[mortal narwhal]

Agreed

Bad update

[prime vault]

This update doesn't even impact pvmers who hate the wilderness lol

[mortal narwhal]

Especially unpolled?

[round lintel]

I am not in a clan but honestly this was something nobody asked

[prime vault]

It solely impacts multi pvp clanners

[brisk hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709498526106648617/1458898451856232512/IMG_7782.png?ex=6961508f&is=695fff0f&hm=6e8eaed7c6c357ddbf0c8f82ce1a76890553e0fecae0e24b7b0da757695bb161&

[cold mural]

Clanning fights have been a staple of the wilderness for 20 years. It's being removed by some jmod that has never multi clanned

[round lintel]

shouldnt change it but at least is a poll

[brisk hill]

No one asked for this lol

[restive storm]

little timmy doing vetion is now safer cuz im stuck at the bank for 2 mins

[brisk hill]

Crazy !

[prime vault]

Ur not gonna die to little Timmy at vetion 😂

[brisk hill]

Jokes on Timmy I have 3 other accs same location

[scarlet dawn]

We are being forced to wait 2 minutes now without having it polled, which is basically a form of enforcement

[limber creek]

I sure do hate when im out pvming at gdz and a clan comes up and i clear all of them but they just keep coming. 1v20 is okay but 1v40 is a bit pushing it don't you think. This 2 minute buffer completely alleviates my grievances.

[haughty anvil]

Exactly so once again pvmers profit off a terrible update for pvp

[mortal narwhal]

As is expected now

[sacred oracle]

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about wilderness content.

[restive storm]

"we heard yall dont like ragging, so in turn we're gonna update the game as a whole just to rag you even more"

[round lintel]

damn how do u kill 20 people alone?

[haughty anvil]

If you're going to implement a timer or death penalty why not apply it to ALL

[limber creek]

Built different.

[round lintel]

def u can be famous in youtube

[sacred oracle]

I think, given the outcry, that update will probably be walked back or changed in some way.

[mortal narwhal]

Hug tree and staff barrage

Ez

[brisk hill]

Same outcry was made for multi revs and singles

[zinc galleon]

Yeah that's something that feels really bad as someone who wants to give feedback on pvp/wilderness. There's no avenues for submitting feedback that seems to be seen or acknowledged.

[brisk hill]

I don’t think so but thanks for your support

[sacred oracle]

I would be surprised if we don't see a JMod comment about it on Reddit or a blog post update tomorrow.

[restive storm]

they dont care ab a little outcry

[round lintel]

I say no one asked for this multi change the question is where did all this come from?

[ripe hare]

Probably clans / people crying about it

[mortal narwhal]

They didnt listen over the loss of multi revs, so they definitely wont listen to this

[silk crag]

revs stemmed from rwt issues, singles clans ruined wildy

[scarlet dawn]

Ty for releasing teleblock to f2p after 3 failed polls though, only good thing Jagex has done (after the game already had died)

[round lintel]

Thats the thing i dont see any multi clan crying for people returning the whole clan vs clan fight lies on your return sets

[ripe hare]

me and my crystal bow are feeling discriminated.

[sacred oracle]

Don't thank me, I had nothing to do with it

I'm just a chat mod, I don't work for Jagex

I'm glad you liked it though

[silk crag]

short the crystal seed market

[ripe hare]

Raise the voice and speak it loud

[mortal narwhal]

I do t ha e beef with anti-rag, just this way of addressing anti-rag

[ripe hare]

I never feeled ragged.

[prime vault]

People who engage in those rag wars enjoy it

[ripe hare]

I made the anti-venom price raise before this update.

[prime vault]

Clear decisive victory is last clan standing in multi

[scarlet dawn]

I prefer magic comp bow :\

[ripe hare]

@mortal narwhal never had that feeling

[mortal narwhal]

Trust me been in my fair share of rag wars, as recently as a few days ago, theres just a better way to do it

[mortal narwhal]

🤡

[prime vault]

Everyone involved in that rag war was a willing participant

[tender harness]

all I am getting from this is delete watchdog

[ripe hare]

It was me and my crystal bow against all

And we enjoyed it.

[prime vault]

Gz brother

I cleared those noobs four hours in

[ripe hare]

Did you enjoy it

[prime vault]

Very much

Was very fun

[brisk hill]

Kk Jagex server lol

Ego noobs smh

[ripe hare]

We need someone to blame, to whom we pointing

[cold mural]

Can blame me.

Everybody already does lol.

[limber creek]

It all started with the removal of multi revs so whoever was in on that.

[prime vault]

Rip multi revs

[restive storm]

RIP revs, RIP black chins pking, but most importantly RIP west dragons

[zinc galleon]

this is why ROT is the GOAT. Name a clan with a better villain arc in any mmo, of all time - you can't

[round lintel]

Multi rev was fun at the begining but then having every world locked down by people paying protection was horrible content

[restive storm]

how do yall keep coming back w/ "Every world" like were you playing a different game? or just never leaving total worlds

[limber creek]

there were like 6 worlds locked down idk about every world. we only have 1000 you can do the wilderness in

Thats cope

[round lintel]

I would run down and get jumped cuz an ironman be there paying $$$ to have the cave to themselves

[brisk hill]

If you were pking then it got rvrn more fun when worlds were protected what lol

[mortal narwhal]

This

[restive storm]

has the thought ever occurred to yu that it mightve just been an active place? lol

[limber creek]

loved clearing protected worlds for 5m+ bags lol

[round lintel]

Nah i wasnt pking back then

[brisk hill]

Makes sense

Do you pk now

[prime vault]

https://youtu.be/BaEcqGdwHMg?si=3iUOMrjZfi9jRBW-

[round lintel]

My last clan activity was mid 2017 when I was in CL

[prime vault]

Good ole days in rev caves

[ripe hare]

And clearing the clan clearing the vennie potection was also fun

[round lintel]

then I left and became a solo player

[restive storm]

man they really butchered this game...

[brisk hill]

Then a Bally team logs in and clears they team

[mortal narwhal]

It was just a fun cluster

[brisk hill]

That

Huhhh

Sad

[ripe hare]

[mortal narwhal]

Ez access to multi action

[cold mural]

People see the videos and decide off that

[broken flame]

i remember when i came home from work and was like man i wanna login and go to the rev caves and own now i dont even think about this dog water single player wizard simulator

make runescape good again

[restive storm]

its the same kinda people in here that tell me the pj timer is a good thing because d spear + maces were too OP before its invention

[scarlet dawn]

Become a streamer..!

[zinc galleon]

yeah and you could just find people at edge bank and be like "hey wanna team up go to revs"

[scarlet dawn]

[round lintel]

I lost like 3 salve ei to sparc macs tribe

[cold mural]

RoT still maces btw

[mortal narwhal]

I remember pulling 100 pures in the caves

Was so crazy

[cold mural]

140b last year!

[restive storm]

for sure, but these people thought the macing was taking place IN SINGLES

[ripe hare]

We pulled 110 last sunday

[cold mural]

😂

[restive storm]

they literally dont even play the game

[limber creek]

homie gets hit with a viggoras spec and fucks up the whole lore lol

[mortal narwhal]

Yeah sure, we pulled over 150 nearly 200 plenty, but im just saying in the old caves

[restive storm]

its just nuts u have to vet people in here before discussing anything with them cuz chances are they have no clue how anything in the wildy even remotely works

[mortal narwhal]

Was a whole new level of crazy

[ripe hare]

I dont live in the past

[cold mural]

None of the jmods pk so they get their "evidence" from a 3rd party. Their 3rd party is probably some pvmer or streamer who antipks at bear.

[mortal narwhal]

When talking about the past, one tends to reference the past

[ripe hare]

or does pvp at ge and gets hit by a guy in karils with dfs and hunter' crossbow

[cold mural]

Like update is good for RoT, bad for rest of the game.

[ripe hare]

or with crystal bow alone

[restive storm]

its all the same for me too, ive never made more gp than b4 the pj timer cuz i skull trick in omega max now, but at the same time its nowhere near as fun as before

[cold mural]

PJ timer was good for RoT too unironically

Made it easier to bait and mace

[restive storm]

yeah cant mess up the lures

[broken flame]

camel crush menthol are the 5 gum of cigarettes

change my mind

[ripe hare]

i dont smoke

[cold mural]

RoT will still be here after w.e jmod decided this update was good for the game though quits.

[broken flame]

i dont either

not anymore

[ripe hare]

https://tenor.com/view/pack-watch-old-man-new-opp-pack-new-opp-gif-20148918

that me

[broken flame]

im glad that rot and mini rot agree that new update is bad

because its so bad

[cold mural]

Smoking is bad for you should stop

Hey it just makes it easier for me to kill clans! Thanks for that jagex

[zinc galleon]

jagex killing the clans themselves

[fair ice]

Nice thing about imbues is they get fully refunded on death now, not to mention it takes less than 30 mins to boost an imbue from duel arena

[round lintel]

yeah, but this was back in 2018

And I remember this as a joyful era not like something I disliked

[cyan niche]

Dog shit update ngl

[round lintel]

I thought it was funny when you saw these people loging in with the tribe mask and ballistas

[prime vault]

Really bad update

I have messaged @cedar mesa as well

He accepted my friend request to allow me to message him so hopefully he actually responds

[restive storm]

frankly an insult that after a year and a half of zero wildy updates, THIS is what they come up with

[prime vault]

Under the guise of caring about the health of multi clanning is what makes it even worse

[brisk hill]

Good news guys. Alive man Mode without bank keys coming soon so we will all forgot haha ..

[restive storm]

get ur msbs and wizard robes ready

[brisk hill]

Wouldn’t this change make more sense to alleviate ragging for upcoming DMM

Rather than wildy in main game

LOL?

[restive storm]

seeing as ragging is enocouraged in dmm w/ the removal of bank keys id say no

[prime vault]

Guess we're fighting at mammoth pit now

[restive storm]

all hail the mammoth thunder dome

[limber creek]

Pk skull prevention's next step is pvp protection and there's nothing we can do about it

[prime vault]

Honestly just bring back dangerous clan wars at this point

[restive storm]

that u framed?

[prime vault]

Yeh it me

[merry smelt]

Any Jmods comment yet on the feedback to teleport changes?

[merry smelt]

Opt in PvP is gonna suck

[narrow folio]

Why is nexus missing teleports even polled

It should be an integrity change lol

[limber creek]

kinda where i was going with protection yeah lol... 🙁

[merry smelt]

Worked really well for PvP in rs3

[zinc galleon]

Every feedback post on Reddit about the wilderness update gets downvoted to oblivion, it's so sad lol

it's so frustrating because it discourages feedback, yeah reddit is trash, but we don't have a lot of options

[brisk hill]

dont think so & 9pm for them. hoopefully tmrw we hear something

[minor whale]

As soon as you start saying pk skull prevention is a slippery slope you've lost all grace lol
Yeah man preventing people trying to make people lose more items when they clearly didn't intend to is so bad for the game 😭

[merry smelt]

Yeah we should get a response from them tomorrow. I can't imagine they won't at least comment and acknowledge our concerns

[covert cradle]

Their response- "Sit Idiet"

[merry smelt]

Wilderness is supposed to be dangerous. There's even a ditch and warnings telling you before entering.

[merry sail]

Still just not sure why clans being able to return faster then others is a problem to them or to pvm'ers lol.

[merry smelt]

Yeah it's a mystery to me why fast returns is bad

And slowing them down somehow will stop people from ragging in low risk

[merry sail]

So now for warring you'll either have to go to a pvp world (fally / al kharid) for quick returns or youll have to completely regroup. imagine fighting north rev caves having a pkri and every fight you have to restage.... man thats a nightmare

[zinc galleon]

I'm getting more and more convinced that wilderness updates come after a Jmod and their friends die and have a bad experience. The wilderness updates feel so out of touch.

People aren't really talking about the rev cave teleports either - I think it is bloat. Why does every entrance need a teleport?

[merry sail]

instead of just setting a timer and fighting until whatever and getting fall ins. pretty whack if you ask me

[hard axle]

hear me out, we put back multi-revs and then push it entirely above 30 line

and then add the anti-rag teleport

[brisk hill]

its really just the combo of both things. the system protecting pvmers isnt flawed imo. but combining unskull ragging w/ return timer will make an ever worse situation for ppl in the wild actually engaging in multi fights

[hard axle]

or instead of anti-rag teleport, put them in port sarim jail for 2 minutes

[minor whale]

The combo might be not great for multi fights but the instant someone starts saying skull prevention is bad it's obvious why Jagex and the wider player base don't give a shit about pkers lol

As soon as you go "but making people lose more money than they intended to through dumb game mechanics is what I enjoy doing", nobody is going to care when you cry that the Wildy is dying

I get that this idea sucks for Wildy enjoyers

[limber creek]

🗣️

[ionic tartan]

Completely unfounded, but I suspect that this tele timer for skulled attackers is to make it harder for rag fights to happen for a long time at a "new multi hotspot" in the wildy that they want to make.

[brisk hill]

it has nothing to do w/ skull prevention. its both systems

being abused

[hard axle]

cuz we do pk trips and it does get annoying how a person dies, his team stalls

[limber creek]

just dont add a teleport directly to the location like what lmao

[hard axle]

and then regears before we kill a second one

[brisk hill]

the answer isnt remove skull prevention

[merry sail]

Who tf actually cares about an ns war at gdz in one world. Lmao. It’s laughable

[vivid ruin]

Thats what i was saying earlier lol

[brisk hill]

the answer is dont chang how tele'ing out/in works

[hard axle]

the guy got all his loot back 😭

[minor whale]

You have people above you saying skull prevention is a slippery slope and that the Wildy is dangerous so you deserve it
Those people are why the wider community thinks pkers don't deserve to get shit

[ionic tartan]

Yeah, there's definitely other ways to solve it to make it more of a king of the hill/strategy thing, but I'm just suspecting that was why they came up with this change.

[vivid ruin]

Raggers are honestly the most annoying of pkers

[minor whale]

Yeah I agree their idea for the tele thing is stupid

[limber creek]

could definitely be an angle

[opal shell]

Dear Jagex, please also add a Last Destination button on the portal nexus while we are adding it to Quetzals and Spirit Trees.

[zinc galleon]

interesting idea, optimistic, i'll put some hope in it

[hard axle]

Dude, if I had it my way, there would be ZERO teleports out of the wilderness and 10 more safe zones

escape with ur shit or not

it's too easy for folks to escape

esp 30-

[limber creek]

dont take what you aint willing to lose. its the wilderness.

[past shell]

Say no to pvp nerfs

[remote abyss]

On paper, the suggested “Reclaim Perfected Whistle” feature would remove the 90 WC requirement for Ironman accounts, as it only requires the blueprint 😉

[limber creek]

they still focusing on the wrong teleports. add a tick delay below 30 so bots can't 1 tick out. this wont affect most humans.

[hard axle]

nah, this mentality is why pvm changed so much

pvm used to be just as risky

and then it grew by making it safer

[limber creek]

pvm was dope when you could accidentally die and lose your shit lol

[minor whale]

Lmao

[limber creek]

servers though

[minor whale]

Most out of touch take of all time

[harsh herald]

people have grown way too much sentimental attachment to keep their items. this used to be a game where you could lose all your gear from a random event while mining and now people want to ruin the wildy because they might lose a spade and a clue scroll

[minor whale]

I too loved when the most difficult and risky pvm in the game was doing Barrows

[remote abyss]

I think we all just have less free time to get our stuff back is all

[mortal narwhal]

100% agree

[small anvil]

Gravestones are so much better for the game

Would anyone be wearing full bis to anything if they had to risk it

[mortal narwhal]

Bring back the fishing ogre thing

[minor whale]

Nah, it just severely limits what gear anyone would bring and means nobody would actually use the high end gear they got lmao

[mortal narwhal]

And evil chicken

[small anvil]

People would care less about his that isn't top 3

[mortal narwhal]

No gravestones

[limber creek]

homie never did bandos w/ the boys. lmfao

[remote abyss]

If we started losing untradables and shit people would rather quit than re earn them

[hard axle]

that's why it didn't start to grow until after they patched it

like

bro

[mortal narwhal]

Dont cater the game to breakers

[minor whale]

The game was literally dying until they made changes to expand pvm lol

[zinc galleon]

It's the ironman mentality shift, the relationship between a player and items and gp is increasingly different

[hard axle]

this game would literally be annoying as fuck to play in rag gear only

whats the point of a max gear if u cant use any of it

[winged mantle]

Gravestones were one of the best qol updates

[hard axle]

the gear adds at most 50% dps increase in normal cases (shadow more)

why risk 5b

[minor whale]

These are takes from people who have nostalgia goggles for 2008 and don't realize osrs was down to sub-10k players and shrinking before they started making harder content and better rewards

[remote abyss]

Yeah these guys obvs weren’t here when we were getting ddosed th first 3 years

[hard axle]

bandos literally can 3 shot you in 18 ticks

from full hp

non-6hour disconnects last longer than 18 ticks

[brisk hill]

how has this gotten so off topic lol

save my wild

[mortal narwhal]

save my wild

[hard axle]

cuz dumbass mfers keep comparing pvp to old pvm

[merry smelt]

Skull prevention is fine to protect people from getting skull tricked but it's also created an environment where pkers abuse it to rag people in fights.

[brisk hill]

^!

its simply the combo

[mortal narwhal]

Zcb + Ely + auto retaliate is brutal

[minor whale]

Much like the people saying "if a rag war starts just leave"
If you see an unskulled ragger just don't attack them, right?

[brisk hill]

yes, but aoe exists and is the ebst dps

[harsh herald]

removing random events only increased bot login times and ushered in an unhealthy relationship where logging in and being afk is deemed better than logging out of the game. this mentality of never being able to lose items is partly why the game economy just sinks too, items are rarely taken out of the game nowadays

[hard axle]

and that's why ge tax is used to balance it out

[remote abyss]

It’s crazy to me how much pvpers complain to jagex when the entire engine/code for their aspect of gamplay is if pvp is toggled on or off

[merry smelt]

They stand under piles and when you barrage them they can attack you unskulled

[hard axle]

the stupid ass comparison legit derails the topic from the tp

change

[brisk hill]

agree

sad

its just a symptom of their poor idea for a update

[merry smelt]

But the solution jagex is putting in place doesn't fix any of that and also makes things worse for the majority of PvP clans

[brisk hill]

if they just didnt implement their tele change

then we are oki i guess

just back where we were lol

[narrow folio]

No one wants to have their high end gear deleted to a death..

[remote abyss]

Yeah you guys are right they should re-re-release the 2007 backup of the game and reduce player count to 5k

[harsh herald]

dont take it to the wildy then lol

[merry smelt]

Yeah we learn to live with the raggers but this change is so out of touch with multi pvp

[limber creek]

Its very clear who actually multi pvp's on the regular in this chat.

[hard axle]

less, it was <10k after release and no other alternatives because they were nuking private servers

[narrow folio]

I wasnt talking about the wildy

[hard axle]

isn't slayermusiq playing on a 2006 server and it has like 1k people?

[mortal narwhal]

This is wildy chat now

Back to pvp updates

[remote abyss]

Yeah ppl don’t realize the hole the game was in after launch

[mortal narwhal]

I still honestly dont get how this wasn't polled

Thats the weirdest part about the whole thing

[merry smelt]

Because they know it would get voted out

[limber creek]

Add Multi revs.
Add 1t teleport buffer below 30 wilderness unless you move there actively.

[mortal narwhal]

Yup

That would honestly be all it takes to revitalize the wilderness

[hard axle]

ban tps altogether

im tired of fucking 30- never being balanced

artio, spindel, calvairon

[limber creek]

1t would be enough for skilled pkers to catch the bots. This would generally not affect real people because theyre probably gonna take a tick to click the tele anyways.

[hard axle]

dude no

just get rid of tps altogether

add mroe safe zones

like ferox

kill the whole tp/tb dynamic

if u escape, great, if u dont, ur shit gets jacked

add 20 safe zones idgaf

[limber creek]

The outcry would be crazy.

[mortal narwhal]

Add a tick delay system sub 30 wild that extends the teleport time with wuldy depth. Like 30 wild takes 3 extra ticks, 20 wild 2 extra ticks etc

[vivid ruin]

And if you die, take the fucking L

Lmao

[winged mantle]

Wild take

[hard axle]

no tp until ur in the safezone

[burnt glade]

instead of fixing the wilderness stuff with the teleporting,
I rather prefer the staff to ban the vetion/venenatis/callisto bots

[hard axle]

the wilderness is literally a "cursed" land

[remote abyss]

You’re forgetting the attachment to the time spent getting the stuff, rather than the actual stuff

[ember token]

yeah its definitely that people are sentimentally attached to their items and not that it's moronic to lose your items while chopping trees because you looked away from the screen for too long

[merry smelt]

How about the massive army of wizards at rogues castle protecting their chest bots

[hard axle]

no insta tele until elite diary, i stg

[burnt glade]

pures can barely get the elite diary, so wouldn't make sence

[limber creek]

You see if the tick is implemented less of the bots will stay there because we will kill their profitability. That and we see how many bots are everywhere surely they'd focus the toa or tob bots generating multitudes more times money.

[mortal narwhal]

Another great idea jagex wont read

[hard axle]

fuck pures

u dont want to level up, that's ur shit

[remote abyss]

I love how everyone here is complaining that they can’t kill random people running away, not actual PvP

[burnt glade]

The wilderness is for pking + pvming, not for bots

[hard axle]

its so kank

trying to balance around crippled mfers

[vivid ruin]

"I cant run cox with my skiller"

[harsh herald]

Can always grind it back, thats what the game is about lol

[merry smelt]

Hot take but pures should have chivalry

[remote abyss]

Yh for what reason though

[mortal narwhal]

Now were talking

[limber creek]

to engage in pvp you generally have to teleblock a target below 30 wilderness or they do this thing called click a teleport. Then you have no pvp interaction. Try it sometime.

[mortal narwhal]

Make it zerks tho

[ember token]

hot take but pures should have soul split

[remote abyss]

That’s not pvp is it

[burnt glade]

there's a reason for "pk builds" or "account builds"
There is 0 reason for bots

[mortal narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-trump-eating-popcorn-gif-12535033

[remote abyss]

That’s you trying to kill someone whos trying to run away which is what I said

[limber creek]

Hot take but i thought pvp meant player versus player. And if you're running and i'm on you, you're still a player.

[remote abyss]

Thats PKing

[narrow folio]

Deadly random events while skilling is something that would never pass a poll. Bots get caught in other ways nowadays.

[limber creek]

Another non pvper in pvp chat smh.

[mortal narwhal]

Fight back then bro

[gritty frigate]

holy moleys

[vivid ruin]

Yeah but if controlling bots requires high tier stats, pures can suffer

[remote abyss]

If you kill someone who’s trying to run away in their 50k Artio setup you’re not good at PvP are you

[mortal narwhal]

Better then they were

[limber creek]

The best around.

[remote abyss]

That’s player vs prey not player vs player

[brisk hill]

who would be upset about losing a 50k set in the only dangerous place in the game?

[merry smelt]

Nah but I like killing the people hunting pvmers at artio

[restive storm]

WOAH friendly fire

[gritty frigate]

is this the original holy moleys? https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/hit6y2/holy_moleys

[hard axle]

this is just for instant teleporting from artio, calv, and spindel

caves

[remote abyss]

Who’s upset? I’m stating a definition

[harsh herald]

You can go to anglers on any world and see the number of bots with Heron pet to know that isn't true lol

[restive storm]

i got elite done on my pure anyway dont matter to me

[merry smelt]

The food chain is important in the wildy

[limber creek]

Pull it up on websters.

[hard axle]

like the pure mentality is unfortunately very reddit mentality

where u can't have shit for higher level players because it excludes lower level players

[narrow folio]

Random events wouldnt stop bots with how advanced they are these days. In fact this would annoy real players more.

[hard axle]

and i've said this before why i dont like how there's basically only cosmetics for higher level players

[brisk hill]

and im asking i guess?

would someone be upset losing 50k?

[merry smelt]

But this is off topic of what's important and that's how this update is bad for multi PvP clans

[remote abyss]

Bro we have “pvpers” in here complaining they can’t kill bots I doubt random events could

[restive storm]

"15 brew zzzzz"

[brisk hill]

youre talking about a tick perfect machine l0l

[merry smelt]

I lose that in prepots hopping the 450 worlds trying to find a fight

[limber creek]

Ironman chat isn't here right now dog. move on.

[remote abyss]

Yes daddy

[remote abyss]

Yes sir

[brisk hill]

fr

[remote abyss]

Enjoy my spade next time we meet

[limber creek]

they have no clue of the scale of things so they break it down to reddit tier arguementativeness.

[prime vault]

That's how the wilderness has always been and that's how clans used to find each other lol

[mortal narwhal]

I unironically will

[limber creek]

Food Chain

If you choose to be the lowest on the priority. Not sorry if you get ate.

[prime vault]

His Lordship explained it in his wilderness revitalization video Pre eoc pretty well

[remote abyss]

Nah it’s y’all complaining you can’t kill the baby fish tho

[prime vault]

This update does nothing to change that

I can kill nooby pvmers

[restive storm]

lets not pretend the bots arent harder/more annoying to kill than real players anyway

[brisk hill]

yea real players are easier to kill l0l

[prime vault]

Do u think killing multi return fights is going to be a better outcome for nooby pvmers

[brisk hill]

its the abuse of all the systems

[restive storm]

anybody can kill those seals that are actual players out in the wildy

[brisk hill]

ppl dont udnerstand unless they pk

unlucky

[mortal narwhal]

It is my responsibility to make the wilderness dangerous for you. I take that responsibility seriously.

[prime vault]

Like yeah kill return fights so all we have to do is hit Callisto masses

That's surely going to help

[brisk hill]

l0l true

[remote abyss]

Legit an absolutely fire take fair play

Isn’t there like pvp minigames for you lot? I’m forced to do them often enough to buff Pvm gear for whatever reason

[limber creek]

as i said earlier most people have no clue of the scale of things.

[restive storm]

why would we wanna play a minigame instead of the main game?

[prime vault]

Safe mini games aren't fun

[limber creek]

really? Like what?

[remote abyss]

I dunno

Castle wars

Get that sick armor for your house

[merry smelt]

Was rough times for PvP clans back then lol https://youtu.be/kU8-mtY5ZKg?si=aSk2oyUF8XIAwbVq

[chrome lantern]

Just got here after work. I don't really understand the purpose of being able to reclaim the whistle.

[limber creek]

That's a essential pvm gear buff?

[mortal narwhal]

No risk and no real reward also means no fun

[chrome lantern]

It seems to just be catering to UIM

[brisk hill]

the true issue if you really wanna break it down

when multi revs got released it was the best money making in the game

[limber creek]

Woo i can get some sick drip that doesn't help for shit anywhere in the game lets go.

pass

[brisk hill]

the risk was worth the reward.

the wildy isnt that way anymore

[merry smelt]

There is no fun in fighting without risk

[chrome lantern]

They probably should've just made it devout boots yeah

[brisk hill]

artio is piss loot for a pvmerlol

[chrome lantern]

Devout boots are still holy

[brisk hill]

why would u do it unless pet/iron for korasi

[prime vault]

Jagex is trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem that nobody in the multi clanning community wanted them to fix

On the guise of healthy and balanced multi fights

Which we already fucking have lol

[limber creek]

They asked someone like dino or some shit and he was like man my 400 man pull got beat up by 7 dudes in crystal bows because theyre so fast at coming back.

[merry smelt]

Sums it up perfect

[prime vault]

I watched this so many times back in the day

[remote abyss]

From the verbiage it bypasses the 90 WC requirement to make it in the first place 😉

[chrome lantern]

I could see how you could read it that way but it also explicitly talks about having to "repeat" the process "from scratch" being the thing they're trying to solve

And "re-grind"

[remote abyss]

Yeah, I know it won’t be the case, but it says you just need the blueprint

[chrome lantern]

Regardless, there's not really a realistic way you ever lose the Quetzal whistle, and even if you do, it's pretty trivial to get it back

So I don't see a reason for this

[limber creek]

i could pk you for it.

[chrome lantern]

If you're bringing it in the wild you deserve to lose it

[limber creek]

You know for those times you have a whistle at 50's and shit because why not

[remote abyss]

Yh Zoms in here taking names it wouldn’t surprise me

[prime vault]

Quality in multi clanning is summed up like this:

Quality members who know how to tank, return quickly, leaders who make good calls with positioning and strategy and understand how to take advantage of momentum and what to do when your down numbers.

That's always been the case

[brisk hill]

this guy gets it

[chrome lantern]

But they also could equally just make it an item that is always protected on death like Giantsoul amulet if that's the issue

Even if you get PKed deep wild you keep that thing xd

[brisk hill]

dont bring what you dont want to lose to the wild.

well said!

[limber creek]

XD nah white dot to red dot is all that matters.

[prime vault]

Skull prevention was hand holding the noobs

[chrome lantern]

I also don't understand why they're even polling the Rune pouch autofill behavior because we already have a setting that says it does that

[prime vault]

Hard to believe that in this era of the internet you can't figure out how the wilderness works

[limber creek]

Careful i said it was a slope earlier and now we're talkin bout whistles.

[remote abyss]

Filler in the sailing vacuum that’s all, dw about it

[limber creek]

I got 99 hoping there would pvp associated.

[prime vault]

Part of the fun of the game was how dangerous it was in general

[limber creek]

Now i cant teleport to my boat for 2 whole minutes.

[remote abyss]

chilling training near the coast Zom just broadsides the entire beach white to red dots

[limber creek]

That was the plan entirely.

That or go down with the ship. no inbetween.

[prime vault]

I love turning white dots to red dots

[remote abyss]

Inland cannonfire into the crab crowd

Anyway when they polling the Crafting boss we’re off topic again

[limber creek]

Im tryna shoot green dragon bots on the dragon cannon smh.

[chrome pier]

With the herb sack upgrade will there be any plans to make sarachnis instanced or a toggle to do so like kbd? Right now without the item on the drop table it's already difficult to find free worlds to do the boss on

[merry smelt]

Yeah it's not complicated more people should give it a try

[worthy hazel]

Leagues 6 demonic pacts, just announced

[ember token]

i thought you were trolling at first

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/2009402474382188729

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

We can’t wait to tell you more about Leagues VI: Demonic Pacts!

Get your souls ready to learn more at the Winter Summit, on Sunday January 25th!

X · Jan 8, 2026, 11:10 PM

[worthy hazel]

Wouldn't dare mate

[chrome lantern]

As long as it's not another region and combat style lock...

[winged mantle]

why can't they post leagues stuff here

[chrome lantern]

"Pact" seems like they're pretty intent on forcing you into irreversible decisions though

[worthy hazel]

Only demonbane weapons are allowed 🙂‍↕️

[chrome lantern]

A better question would be why they don't post anything they post on Reddit or social media anywhere in here or in official posts on their site

[winged mantle]

literally

[analog crow]

holy moly

[restive storm]

not MORE leagues man

[analog crow]

nah we love leagues over here

[restive storm]

they just take up sooooo much dev time for no content

[analog crow]

It's what the people want

[restive storm]

if by people you mean people that dont even play the game the other 99% of the year then yea ig

[analog crow]

You should try to be more positive

[restive storm]

i did actually try that from about 2020-2022

then i realized that there was no point

[analog crow]

no stamina smh

[winged mantle]

leagues are some of the most exciting experiences

[worthy hazel]

I think Leagues is great fun and it brings a lot of people to the game which means €€€

[meager flame]

im sorta on the fence with leagues sometimes its fun sometimes its the same league i already did twice

[torpid delta]

we're making a demonic pact with 5 of the 11 game regions sorry

[winged mantle]

monkeys paw league

you get this but at this cost

[analog crow]

if they balance it well it could go hard

[meager flame]

i kinda do understand people though that kind of hate what it does to the main game

[limber creek]

leagues are great. You k now what else is great. multi revenants.

[meager flame]

i remember the year where we did dmm and leagues and got nothing we cared about in the main game

[analog crow]

The hard part is not making any permanent choices that are just griefing yourself

[winged mantle]

sorry this is now leagues chat

[meager flame]

it was like

dmm league and gim? maybe the same year

and we just got no main game content lol

[winged mantle]

leagues 2 and 3 were the best leagues

[analog crow]

well we're getting dmm now also

with a boatload of other content lined up

[restive storm]

we're FINALLY getting dmm

its been forever lol

[winged mantle]

something for all

[meager flame]

ya we're getting dmm and league and we know sailing is locking down most of the year

[winged mantle]

i want to get more cosmetics

[meager flame]

those vampires better go hard

[winged mantle]

i hope they're 🔥

sra reskin please

[analog crow]

so looking forward to winter summit

[meager flame]

me too honestly because like

this is probably also client year

[analog crow]

meaning?

[chrome lantern]

100% absolutely

2 because I was a noob and 3 because it was the best

[meager flame]

they've been working on their own hd client and plugin hub behind the scenes

[analog crow]

oh yeah

like native plugin support

that would go crazy hard

[chrome lantern]

I find it unlikely the exclude Sailing from Leagues so curious to see what they do

[winged mantle]

it would need to be on par with runelite

[meager flame]

ya it will be the end of third party clients if it goes well

[analog crow]

sailing atm is not fleshed out enough to be a big part of league maybe... wonder how they're gonna do it

[meager flame]

because jagex will be like oh its mostly at feature parity? yeah we're not maintaining two clients and letting you have another avenue to bot

[winged mantle]

my guess is ingore it tbh

[meager flame]

cya 3pc

[chrome lantern]

If Sailing is an option at the expense of literally anything else I will not pick it

[bronze kernel]

Raids 4 hype.

[analog crow]

real

[winged mantle]

finally underwater raid

[analog crow]

but raids 4 is still in early concept stages

[bronze kernel]

Medallion of Deep BiS

Seriously

[winged mantle]

it would be a cool local - atlantis type

[chrome lantern]

As long as the concept is not invocations

[bronze kernel]

The fact they don't let you use it on Fossil Island outside the Agility section is a travesty

It's like the one place you would ever want it

But they're like "Nope"

[analog crow]

they are gonna fix that I think

[bronze kernel]

Hopefully

Plus, it's easy to make a flavor for why you can't bring it in

You can't use the helmet because the mermaid hates fish bowls because one killed her friend or something

[analog crow]

My biggest feedback on sailing was to integrate it better with the wider game

[meager flame]

if i really had to take a guess at their goals with raids 4

[analog crow]

cause atm it just feeds back into itself

[meager flame]

based on what they've already said

[chrome lantern]

Best guess is it was just unfinished and they didn’t want to work in the item with as little time as they had

(Years)

[bronze kernel]

They can make it so she doesn't trust or like the magic energy emitted from the amulet

[meager flame]

boss rush tob style probably more accessible scales with more players like cox

more accessible probably meaning raid might not fully reset on wipe

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, I feel Sailing isn't integrated enough into the game

[winged mantle]

would love to see the new mega rare either be a new melee combat style or a hybrid melee (slash + crush/ crush + stab/ stab + slash)

[bronze kernel]

It feels like Agility 2.0 with the new area unlocks in that regard

Only deep sea trawling is something that is genuinely new and unique

[meager flame]

because even though they like a lot of things about tob

[analog crow]

Despite invo system not being the way to go the accessibility of toa was one of its huge successes, so excited to see how the approch raids 4

[meager flame]

they seem very consious of how many players should be doing a raid

[bronze kernel]

No puzzle rooms

[meager flame]

so i doubt they repeat some of the tob mistakes that caused people to just not play

[bronze kernel]

I only have a half a dozen or so ToA KC and the puzzle rooms are my least favorite part

[analog crow]

You can have one (1) monkey room in raids 4, as a treat

[winged mantle]

no puzzle rooms please

[analog crow]

jagex loooves monkey rooms

[meager flame]

unfortunately monkey room isn't even a puzzle room by tob standards

[analog crow]

love it so much they made it twice

[limber creek]

you have to 1t tb a bot below 30 wilderness in the hardmode puzzle room.

[bronze kernel]

It's Nylos Room but with monke

Instead of spider it's monkey

[analog crow]

In raids 4 we'll call it pirate room

you heard it here first

[bronze kernel]

First ever pure Skilling raid, when?

Final boss combines Zalcano, Tempeross, Wintertodt, Giant Foundry, and Mixology into one!

[analog crow]

already exists behind the warriors guild

[restive storm]

raids 4 puzzle room - its just this, 1 of the 4 doors is open and you gotta find which, all while just spam taking typeless damage for no real reason

[prime vault]

There's actually a decent amount of newer people doing it for now. This will hurt anybody who wants to try though lol

[delicate sinew]

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/2009402474382188729

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

We can’t wait to tell you more about Leagues VI: Demonic Pacts!

Get your souls ready to learn more at the Winter Summit, on Sunday January 25th!

X · Jan 8, 2026, 11:10 PM

[obsidian venture]

Last 2 leagues were zzz

Let’s see what unique twist they add

[analog crow]

Yama league let's gooo

[hard axle]

hope they add completely new weapons, armor, effects, concepts

that way they can use it a beta ground for new ideas for main game

zamorakian sight -> shadow

[fringe rivet]

capybaras still wear not oranges thingies

[nocturne solstice]

Evidently still feeling festive

[zenith pike]

Leagues slop 🥹

[limber creek]

Add multi revs.
Add teleport delay below 30 wilderness to combat bots (since they're not getting banned)

[merry smelt]

Cool

Can we get a comment from them about the wildy teleport changes yet?

[ember token]

in the middle of the night in the UK? no

you cant even really complain about them not acknowledging it until monday

if they dont say anything by then, then they're probably not going to

[minor whale]

Even then
The outrage is very minor compared to how many people simply don't care
Posts are extremely high upvote % on Discord and Reddit
They might decide to scrap it but I doubt it tbh

[winged mantle]

at least there's saying "this is what we want to do" rather than just launching it

[prime vault]

They are just launching it

[winged mantle]

they have time to adjust/ not impliment if enough backlash

[prime vault]

Well it's designed for a community that didn't want it lol

[hard axle]

I'm gonna be real, bp nerf was mega downvoted and it was wholly deserved

upvote/downvote whenever it comes to game balance is obviously biased to hell and heaven

Salvaging was the best example where people thought 0.25 ehp with 30 minute afk was balanced.

[minor whale]

Oh for sure
But the outrage is verrrry limited in this case

[hard axle]

Balance wise, I think stopping folks from regearing and joining back so fast is good, but not if there's no good multi area to actually camp, hence why I want Multi Revs to come back, but 30+ entirely.

[ember token]

the extent of the outrage i've seen is 10 people joining the discord and talking about it in this channel lol

[tacit wharf]

and one of them being a chronic baiter

[winged mantle]

most irons do revs sub 30 so that could work tbh

[tender harness]

un nerf extractor

[hard axle]

Give me the power to nuke the fuck out of 30- please

[winged mantle]

denied

[hard axle]

I will make Zamorak look nice

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-mahoraga-shibuya-fire-gif-12855150989429034386

[tender harness]

sukuna lookin ass

[icy relic]

pleae

[chrome lantern]

Do they? I found I cba with the low wildy revs so I just did knight safespots

[winged mantle]

The orks are heavily contested

Fast respawn, low hp, below 30, good rates

[chrome lantern]

I did orks for a few hours and got extremely rapidly fed up with it

Whether bots or pkers or just feeling like I was "wasting" kills on task at lower drop rates

[winged mantle]

Being able to do a rev task in 1h-1.5 hours felt way better than 4 at knights

Esp for the traffic near the entrance

[limber creek]

its all bots

[chrome lantern]

I mostly just ignored the traffic at the entrance and 95% of them ignored me

[limber creek]

if theyre in the wilderness without a skull its like a 80%+ chance its a bot

[chrome lantern]

Also there's west knight safespot

[round lintel]

Has anybody been experiencing weird things happening while pvming? yesterday I had those deadclicks/weird yellow clicks, and right now im at Hydra and my character ran into the flame when I clicked 2 tiles back and then click the box

boss*

When I clip my last 30 seconds screen mouse doesnt match my screen clicks

go to second 20

[prime vault]

It doesn't effect most of the game and it's a sub sect of pvp lol

[main kestrel]

i had something weird happen during araxxor couple days ago too instead of walking back out from 1 tile under him it choosing to go 7 tiles the other way instead, assumed it was just a weird auto retalliate thing maybe theres something there though, wouldnt know how to report it if i cant replicate it

[final frigate]

if it's obs it's under one of the capture settings iirc

the mouse location thing

[round lintel]

windows feature win+alt+g

[final frigate]

oh rip

[ripe hare]

Dog wilderness update

[zinc galleon]

I desperately want to hear Jagex’s wilderness philosophy. Podcast about the wilderness and what their end goal is pls.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/5CG18vnfMS

[analog crow]

A handful of dedicated ppl can completely clog up a discord channel. Not very good for collecting broad feedback

[zinc galleon]

Wilderness enjoyers have seemingly no good way to provide feedback, there’s no dedicated channels, Reddit downvotes any pvp related post- it’s unclear what you have to do or where to go to give feedback on it that is seen.

[analog crow]

By all means, please continue to give your feedback here. We value diversity of opinion.

Also there is #1022203837265756231

Jmods do read it, at least occasionally

[zinc galleon]

Yeah I use it, but figured this channel was more appropriate since it was about future updates.

[scarlet dawn]

Hilarious

[vivid ruin]

Did i miss downvoting on the holy moleys

[subtle compass]

@prime vault for the clan worlds special envoy to jagex

[brisk hill]

At least speak to someone who engages in multi & isn’t a streamer lol

[vivid ruin]

Streamers will always get special treatment over randos

[main kestrel]

raids 4 puzzle rooms and its takeshis castle

[quaint osprey]

Maybe jagex can add pvp minigames in the future so they leave pvmrs alone.
The general consensus is that pvp should be an opt-in activity.
That's why they reworked fight pits.

[oblique mesa]

I thought I opted in when I crossed the wilderness ditch and it told me I was entering a PvP area

[final frigate]

^

[brisk hill]

You did! When entering the only dangerous area in the game you are accepting: it’s dangerous. Thanks!

[final frigate]

wildy is a pvp area that has other content in it

not a pvm/skilling area that has pesky pvpers

intended anyway

[brisk hill]

Wilderness was supposed to be worth the risk. In the past couple of years it’s anything but. When multi revs was a thing it was worth going to for some because it was one of the best money makers in the game. Simply put, wilderness activities for ppl who don’t engage in pvp aren’t lucrative enough for their occasional death

[oblique mesa]

What are you doing where its not worth it? You basically never die unless you are completely asleep at your keyboard.

[nocturne solstice]

That doesnt feel true at all, its still extremely extremely lucrative.

[brisk hill]

I’m not speaking for myself

But are you being honest?

[nocturne solstice]

Who are you speaking for then and yeah im being extremely honest.

[brisk hill]

An example would be the singles version of the wildy bosses

Why would anyone do that unless for pet?

Its not worth the gp lol

[nocturne solstice]

Aside from calverion its still 17m for the vw piece isnt it? The regular loot is still worth a lot too iirc

maybe 13-17m lemme check

[oblique mesa]

Yes I've done ~10k laps of wilderness agility on my iron and died maybe 5 times. Also done 84-98 at rogues castle and died maybe 9 times.
You get so much resources for basically no risk

[brisk hill]

The vw piece sure but the regular loot is cheeks lol

[nocturne solstice]

yeah 15m for hilt and 17.8m for gem. That's extremely profitable for such a low lvl requirement.

[brisk hill]

Gz on rune pick axe loot

[nocturne solstice]

average kill is worth 50k gp according to wiki

thats extremely high compared to regular mobs in non-wildy

[brisk hill]

Averaged if you get a unique yes

[nocturne solstice]

You're complaining about rune pick but thats still 18k gp

what do you mean unique yes

[brisk hill]

But why would I go somewhere I can be hunted & make 17m when I could just raid & never get attacked

[nocturne solstice]

Because as I just said, extremely profitable for such a low lvl.

[brisk hill]

I’m not complaining lol

[nocturne solstice]

Now you're being dishonest

[brisk hill]

Who’s being dishonest? Why do I feel like you’re aggro?

It’s not a lie that multi revs was the best profit in the game at the time

[nocturne solstice]

Well I'm saying you're being dishonest.

[brisk hill]

Or is that dishonest?

The wildy is not worth the risk for most players

[nocturne solstice]

You brought up artio and now you're talking about multi revss. Changing the subject suddenly is also a dishonest move to divert attention away.

[brisk hill]

I’ll restate lol

Wilderness was supposed to be worth the risk. In the past couple of years it’s anything but. When multi revs was a thing it was worth going to for some because it was one of the best money makers in the game. Simply put, wilderness activities for ppl who don’t engage in pvp aren’t lucrative enough for their occasional death

Artio was my example

When you asked

[nocturne solstice]

That was your original statement and it's still untrue. It's still worth the risk and it's still very profitable.

[brisk hill]

In your opinion

& in mine it’s not

I go wildy & pk

Don’t care about gp/hr at bosses

[nocturne solstice]

No its pretty factual because people still go there, a lot. What do you think is good gp/hr to be "worth the risk"?

[brisk hill]

I’m just pointing out what’s wrong with the ecosystem

In my opinion 😄

[brisk hill]

Do you go wildy a lot?

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah and we should change the game (buffs, nerfs, etc) based on fact not opinion.

But what in your opinion is good gp/hr to be worth going to the wildy?

[nocturne solstice]

Now and then for some chill farming and helping out clanmates doing altar.

[brisk hill]

That’s not for me to decide. But if you have the risk of dying for your loot, it should probably be pretty good

[nocturne solstice]

also clanmates doing rogues chest

[brisk hill]

Kk lol

[nocturne solstice]

If you don't know then how can you say it's not worth going?

[brisk hill]

Because only bots do the activities players should be

Tick perfect machines camping singles variant bosses because it’s not worth it for Timmy to do so

[nocturne solstice]

But that's not true. There are bots and I won't deny that but players do these activities too, because it's profitable and worth the risk.

You talk about bosses but when I visit zombie pirates its empty, bots also don't affect wildy agility or rogues chest.

[brisk hill]

Fella I appreciate your view but I can’t believe someone who goes to wildy for prayer events

[nocturne solstice]

There are other activities in wildy aside from the 3 cave bosses.

[brisk hill]

It’s clear to me you don’t pk in the wild

[nocturne solstice]

No im 99 prayer

I am not the one prayer training lmao

Im the one pking to get them off the people training haha

[brisk hill]

Gz on 99 prayer fella

[brisk hill]

Yeah dude fishing dark crabs is pog loot

[dawn jackal]

why do pvpers communicate like bastards

very strange the whole lot needs a PR team

would help

[brisk hill]

I am a bastard by definition.

[nocturne solstice]

Why are you talking about dark crabs now? I said very specifically rogues chest, wildy agility, and zombie pirates.

[brisk hill]

It’s an example of a bad activity in the wild

That isn’t worth

The risk of dying