game-update

[quasi glade]

like lol?

no shit its botted to hell

[meager flame]

tbh i wanted them to nerf it while i was doing it

[quasi glade]

They made that choice

and people told them

to fix that

they didnt

[meager flame]

having a cctv for the entrance to your boss makes it actually impossible for anyone to hit you

unless they catch you asleep

[quasi glade]

and then like 4 years down the line

they'll say

"we'll be looking at this"

and wonder why all pvpers hate jagex

[meager flame]

like lol

[restive storm]

and if ur asleep turn on the air raid siren 3rd party addon that tells you when to tele

[meager flame]

a lot of people pking at those bosses wouldn't even enter

they would just talk shit outside and hop

or kill the scout

because there was actually no hope of ever getting to me

[quasi glade]

Yup logout botton the size of your screen

safespots at revs

can insta log

😂

[brisk hill]

Alt account flashing when someone logs in l0l

[meager flame]

ya lol

[quasi glade]

https://tenor.com/view/wee-woo-patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-panicking-freaking-out-gif-17867167

[restive storm]

bro the safe spots in revs are CRAZY lol

[brisk hill]

I safe spotted knight on my iron

[restive storm]

the dark beast ones literally log out before im even fully logged in

[brisk hill]

But you could still be attacked

[quasi glade]

they clearly care about pvp

look at the pvp discord they made

discontinued 2 year ago and said they'd make a new

1

(they dont care)

[meager flame]

tbf idk why they thought they needed a pvp discord

it cannot be that hard to run polls and send surveys to players they know are actually pvping

[restive storm]

they desperately need one, as seen today cuz they literally have no idea what they're doing when it comes to the wilderness

[brisk hill]

You realize you’re referring to the devs who added a t bow spawn to the game right

[restive storm]

like dont ya think its a little weird that since that discord died we've had literally 0 changes to the wilderness lol

[brisk hill]

Respectfully, to any who may read

But that’s a lot of faith

[nocturne solstice]

Is that dev even stil at Jagex

[quasi glade]

0 pvp changes last year

Like

[restive storm]

dont worry man, there will be another All Stars soon so that you can watch your favorite creator have fun, but you wont be allowed to play

[meager flame]

it was just a bad play from them because they have the tools to contact everyone in the game that meets whatever criteria they want

[quasi glade]

You cant expect pvpers to like pvp

when you update it

[meager flame]

they didn't need a top secret discord or anything

[quasi glade]

once every 5 years

and its to remove

content

L0L

[brisk hill]

It wast top secret l0l

[meager flame]

ya i know i was exaggerating

[brisk hill]

Anyone could join

[quasi glade]

Thats their fault for not

[meager flame]

its just silly that they even made a discord for it

[quasi glade]

linking it

[brisk hill]

It’s not

[meager flame]

when they can just talk to everyone that meets whatever profile they'd like

at a way larger scale

[quasi glade]

well

they dont know

who plays and does

pvp

just the streamer boys

rhys

dino

purespam

omg!

[meager flame]

ya thats another example of what im talking about

[restive storm]

ill give dino that at least he and eliop said the pj timer was an awful idea from the start

[meager flame]

they keep trying to talk to individuals instead of giving the entire community involved in pvp/pking/whatever a chance to respond

collectively

[quasi glade]

https://x.com/ianspam/status/1407057835695947776

Ian / PureSpam (@ianspam)

Got invited alongside creators to hear some of the contents within the Wildy Blog and survey results revealed later this week. I am very pleased. @JagexAyiza @OldSchoolRS <3

For the first time in forever there are big strides towards a positive clear sense of direction, excited!

X · Jun 21, 2021, 7:28 PM

the dream team!

[tender harness]

pvp is not the focal point of this game (pvpers are not and will never be the majority)
DMM is popular for a week for swaps and kits and falls off
the pvp in this game is archaic as sin, barrier to entry just frankly gets higher and higher. nevermind the bots that can do like split second perfect switches, snares and flicks to escape
pvp is not and will never capture what 2007 pvp was.

pvp has a metric ton of issues that frankly need a lot of dev time that I dont think they have to give

[quasi glade]

wrong

pvp was the focal point of the game

[zenith pike]

I think this would be easier if everyone were just honest with themselves and state what their actual vision for the wildy is

[quasi glade]

and was the reason it was brought back

[tender harness]

mate this isn't 2007

[quasi glade]

then why on the website

does it say

Relive the challenging levelling system and risk-it-all PvP of the biggest retro styled MMO. Play with millions of other players in this piece of online gaming heritage where the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to b

[restive storm]

god thats actually so depressing thinking about the updates from then to now, and the fact that they thought theyd be good updates -.-

[tender harness]

why does my calendar say 2026

[quasi glade]

Literally on the OSRS

website

thats what it says

in 2026

[brisk hill]

L0”

[meager flame]

i mean for me its really easy i just want the wild to be for people who want to pvp and for it to actually be fun/engaging for them

jagex really doesn't agree with me at all though

they want it to be escape from tarkov but really shit

[brisk hill]

Why in 2026 do they still hold DMM tournaments

[tender harness]

if you could read which to the surprise of many pvpers cannot

DMM is literally done for swaps and transmog

[quasi glade]

then why do it

transmog

was only an addition las year

[tender harness]

so pvmers make money

[meager flame]

tbf a lot of people don't do dmm

[quasi glade]

btw

[meager flame]

im kinda shocked they run them still

they roll it out like leagues but the interest is miles away from that lol

[quasi glade]

i bet if they spent the dev time they spent on dmm on the wilderness

wilderness would be in

50x better

spot

[restive storm]

thats what i wish for, i love dmm, but for the love of god please update the main game too

[tender harness]

I mean I dont disagree. I would rather see the time spent that goes into DMM just redesign the wilderness

[chilly swan]

ye i wonder what their end goal for the wildy is, doesn't seem like they even have anything in mind

[tender harness]

I hate DMM but its also free money

[quasi glade]

like

[meager flame]

its actually so good for money because so many people dont care about it

[quasi glade]

how is dmm even good for them

every year

theres some bs

[meager flame]

yeah idk

[quasi glade]

that makes them look shit

[meager flame]

dmm finale is me tuning in to see the train crash

[zenith pike]

In what way, the problem is you need to visualize what an answer is no matter how much dev time can be put into it

[quasi glade]

well last year wilderness had 0 dev time

so

🤷

[brisk hill]

We are up 100% this year. 1 topic about teleports!

[tender harness]

0 dev time
more bots
diary reqs that solved none of the bot problems bosses should be elite diaries
bots that are borderline impossible to kill
pvp is up big right now

[restive storm]

sick to my stomach theyre getting our yearly update outta the way in week 1, and its a bad one... better luck in 2027

[meager flame]

but yeah i wish a lot of things were different like

[quasi glade]

yup

[zenith pike]

So what can they do, what would be your answer

[quasi glade]

and this is all because of jagex

pvpers didnt do this

jagex killed the wilderness

not pvpers

[meager flame]

i wish the people at bh and the people on pvp worlds were actually in the wild instead

[restive storm]

pj timer

https://tenor.com/view/undo-gif-10206290569649443292

[quasi glade]

multi revs

bring it back

add 200k entry fee

[sturdy frigate]

when poll open? lol

[tender harness]

multi revs isnt an answer either really

[quasi glade]

y not

[brisk hill]

Hey mate I’m kinda happy about it. Didn’t wait most the year for disappointment

[meager flame]

like i dont even really see why pvp worlds exist

was the plan to have less people using the wilderness or what lol

[quasi glade]

Did you clan or pvp during multi revs?

[zenith pike]

Not for the same style

[meager flame]

yeah but it could be

thats what edge pking used to be

[restive storm]

they are just kinda archaic now

[tender harness]

I mean full stop, the wilderness needs an overhaul top to bottom. multi revs isn't a solution to a problem where Jagex has no idea what they want for the wilderness

[quasi glade]

not wrong

but they cant admit

where they are wrong

[restive storm]

jagex has to be willing to actually think about the wilderness for more than 5 seconds to form an opinion, which they dont seem keen on doing unfortunately

[dawn jackal]

jagex wants the wilderness not to exist 200%

[meager flame]

ya thats why i make fun of them for trying to design escape from tarkov

they wont admit thats what went wrong with them and the wild

[quasi glade]

they got the dream team working on pvp

[zenith pike]

Just for consistent bracketing since the wilderness scaling based on wildy level made these inconvenient

[tender harness]

tarkov is shit content like keep it out of OS

[quasi glade]

https://x.com/ianspam/status/1407057835695947776

Ian / PureSpam (@ianspam)

Got invited alongside creators to hear some of the contents within the Wildy Blog and survey results revealed later this week. I am very pleased. @JagexAyiza @OldSchoolRS <3

For the first time in forever there are big strides towards a positive clear sense of direction, excited!

X · Jun 21, 2021, 7:28 PM

20 streamers

and ytbers

know best for us

XDDDDDDDD

[dawn jackal]

i would bet my left sock their player engagement numbers show that no one goes to the wildy and when people die there they just stop playing

[restive storm]

honestly having a 5 year old tweet on hand is wild but im definitely saving that one

[quasi glade]

the dream team

is working on pvp

[meager flame]

tbf jagex was kind of cooking a very long time ago

because the wilderness had all of the bones of an extraction shooter like 20 years before they were popular

[restive storm]

2021 was like right b4 the pj timer, when everything died

[quasi glade]

That picture encapsulates the entire problem with jagex's pvp ideology

[restive storm]

lol

[meager flame]

jagex just didn't realize it could've been a successful secondary game

[brisk hill]

Almost like those 20 content creators have pushed that content & all the rest of the wildy content…..

[meager flame]

and kept trying to beat random rs pvmers over the head with the idea

[quasi glade]

literally nobody asked for that too

they kept doing it

[brisk hill]

Killed an entire ecosystem of PvP lol

[zenith pike]

They need to stop hitting their head, they already got brain damage why make it worse 😥

[brisk hill]

Singles pkers got shafted long ago

[restive storm]

yeah, its kinda lame that the wildy became the streamer zone of whatever they need to make content for their livestream is what the game is gonna get, and the rest of the players can deal w/ it

[brisk hill]

I guess it’s just time multi did too

[meager flame]

its just so funny because i remember way back when i first pked

like we're talking 2005

[brisk hill]

Turkey mate

Stat on topic fella

[meager flame]

there was fuck all in the wild

but it was the only place you could go besides the duel arena

so you could always go out there and get a fight

[brisk hill]

Yeah almost like if my livelihood was based on a video game I would want it catered perfectly to me so I could succeed

Crazy thought lol

[zenith pike]

Yeah, it was popular because it was one of the only activities people can do back then

[restive storm]

i mean im certainly not blaming the streamers, id love to just be able to decide what goes in the game. But idk how Jagex thought that itd be a good idea to listen to them lol

[meager flame]

it would still be that way today if they didn't siphon players away from the wilderness who were looking for actual pvp

they're just fracturing the community and putting them in different places

[quasi glade]

they all nutride jmods

[brisk hill]

I think different areas for PvP are healthy though. Ppl who wanna edge style don’t wanna do it in 44 wild

[quasi glade]

and want to be buddy buddy

with them

and it inflates their ego

so they listen

all it is

[restive storm]

whether or not edgeville bh pking style is in the wildy is totally irrelevant to the kinda activity we're talking about

[brisk hill]

Well said! Stay focused

[meager flame]

yeah i know but when you're a couple loading lines away from seeing another kind of pking

and you're all in the same place talking to each other

people are probably more likely to try something different

[brisk hill]

Option wilderness soon. Tribrid bounty hunter & multi bounter hunter on the way

Is the future for 07

Gz eveyone

[quasi glade]

delete the wilderness and recolour it to green

is the next play

[brisk hill]

We did it lol

[hollow dirge]

Why not let us use our stack of spare Elidinis Threads to upgrade the herb sack (it's also used for upgrading another sack already!) instead of adding a new item to the game.

[meager flame]

because then you wouldn't have a reason to log in and go get the silk

[hollow dirge]

Lol true. Feels bad having threads piling up with no re-rolls or anything tho like theyre suggesting for the new spider thread

Perhaps they will add something it can be used for later, like cosmetic/recolours or something

[zenith pike]

Honestly my biggest reason for the wilderness existence comes from how different it operates from base game , especially with how monotonous so many activities and bosses can be.

My ideal version of it can’t exist without a restructuring of how caves/boss arenas work, and map scale.

The only exception is keep wildy clues, because once again they deserve less

[split pelican]

Getting Around:
Does adding new teles to portal nexus mean total tele limit increases from 33? Right now there's 33 teles and 33 max slots.

Or will I have to make choices on which teles to not add :S

[prime vault]

It's a bad update in general. Nobody forces clans to stick around and get ragged. It kills return fighting. It hurts lower pulling clans fighting down numbers. @merry sail said it earlier. Being able to return in sub 45 seconds was a requirement when I started clanning in 2010. This does nothing to "balance" fighting. All it does is hurt clanning and there was obviously no input from anybody with knowledge of multi pvp clanning

[meager flame]

i mean i fundamentally think they just spent 13 years trying to answer the wrong questions

like they're very concerned with how to create targets to get pked

[tacit wharf]

what clan had that as a requirement in 2010?

[meager flame]

and not at all concerned with how to make pvp more fun for the people engaging in actual pvp against each other

[brisk hill]

Why cherry-pick?

What’s he saying?

does it make sense or no

[merry sail]

lmao this guy aint srs

[tacit wharf]

not cherry picking, its a specific point brought up

[prime vault]

Every clan I joined had you pass a return test. I was in pure clans such as enemy, eop, corrupt pures, zenith, and they all required that. Even in osrs when I was in fatality we did return tests that you had to pass before your app was accepted as a full member

[meager flame]

coming back has always been a thing if the guy really didn't know

like lol

[brisk hill]

The definition of cherry picking Ty

[meager flame]

you need your boys to return otherwise the other team just respawns and kills you all

[brisk hill]

His point overall is good. Don’t gotta cherry-pick!

[quasi glade]

Just died now your spongebob meme as your clan fights 25v30

Momentum is everything in fights

How are you going to swing momentum if your already down 5 and it takes 2 minutes to return

With all the high dps weapons in the game

[merry sail]

https://tenor.com/view/no-cherry-picking-don't-cherry-pick-cherry-cherries-don't-choose-the-best-gif-3454409917228309028

[tacit wharf]

only asking for clarification as there were no main clans in 2010 that has such requirements, was the only reason i was wondering, didnt get to know much about the pure side

[quasi glade]

Probably vr brut df di

There was probably an expectation to be good

if you werent you wasnt going to get in

lol

[prime vault]

There were definitely clans who didn't require it but that doesn't mean it was important

Return fighting has always been a thing

[quasi glade]

You dont have to stay and fight raggers btw

[prime vault]

Maybe in the very beginning of multi pvp it was different

[quasi glade]

you can just leave.

This update does nothing to raggers

Just kills apart of the game

[prime vault]

If clans wanted knock out they'd do clan wars

[brisk hill]

It enables raggers 🙂

[quasi glade]

Yes it enables mass raggers more

[brisk hill]

I = perma unskull 4 item now

Ty Jagex!

[tacit wharf]

ive just never heard of it as part of a f2p/p2p requirements

[quasi glade]

It's an expectation

You take 6minutes to return your not getting in

[restive storm]

6 minutes

[zenith pike]

The thing one of the most difficult things about wilderness content balancing is the rewards. Because the game is so simple and items aren’t defined for specific use, let alone how most items comes from enemies since that’s usually the best way to balance them out makes things so difficult

Like for instance, craws/WW were just good weapons for the activity they were designed for, but because of a boss heavily benefiting from it outside of the wilderness players assume the items from “wildy pvm niche” to “meta pvm jagex put in wildy wtf I’m such victim”.

Like Voidwaker was supposed to be the korasi, it got buffed on every pvmer’s request, but it could never be exclusive because everything operates on the same system

[merry sail]

Yeah doesn’t look good when the entire clan is returning quick and you’re the dude lollygagging around believe me

[quasi glade]

Some requirements are unwritten

OFC this updates streamers

who mass

300 people

lmao

They'l call that a skill

Multi clans are so bad they ahve to return down 150 people

Is actually what they say btw

[prime vault]

100% an update curated by streamers who have zero knowledge on multi

None of the streamers in that chat ever do multi events beyond dmm

[quasi glade]

We can all agree ragging is bad

But this update doesnt prevent ragging

😂

If anything all that will be left are the raggers

But ye go ahead and listen to dino

or purespam

or w.e

They have spent time building up a clan (they havent)

Jmods will probably ignore all of this discussion

Because dino said so

or odablock said so

[brisk hill]

No big deal I love ely & zcb unskull pking

& with korasi guaranteed damage I can single wipe there clan & they won’t be able to rerun lol

Gz me!

[silk crag]

How will this affect the unskull crystal bow meta?

[quasi glade]

Empowers it

They can insta return

[brisk hill]

It won’t gz on that

[quasi glade]

Other people cannot

[silk crag]

Perfect

[quasi glade]

😂

[silk crag]

Keep update

[quasi glade]

GJ jagex

Hurt people actually interacting with the game

But empower raggers

CLASSIC

[prime vault]

It's definitely not going improve the health of multi clanning that's for sure

[quasi glade]

That's their goal

It's to kill pvp so they can delete wilderness

w.o any pushback

[silk crag]

My clan got gballed now we bankstand for 2 minutes thinking about our actions

Reflection is perfection

[prime vault]

Imagine fighting down opts with this update

You're cooked

This will honestly probably cause more alliances than their already is lol

[silk crag]

Yeah love the fact the 100 man clan crashes the 50v50 and then it’s just over

[quasi glade]

Just masser clan alliances

0 skill

just

onga bonga

push

with 200 people

[prime vault]

Momentum swings in return fights cease to exist

You just die and can't return

[quasi glade]

Cant swing momentum takes 4 working days to get back up

to return loc

[merry sail]

Atleast I’ll have time to take a shit between returns now. I wanted that.

[quasi glade]

Ah shit died on friday?

See you monday

got timer

[prime vault]

The amount of times I've had to take a piss and waited 😂

[silk crag]

Missus gets a 2 minute beating if I die

[merry sail]

Yeah dude lemme just slide by the fridge rq

[carmine junco]

Oof. With players like that maybe pvp should die

[quasi glade]

pvmers are worse

[restive storm]

crazy, but true

[quasi glade]

they'll sit and do cox for 9 hrs straight in a megascale

[silk crag]

Wp ironman missus went from a 1 beating a day to an every death beating

[carmine junco]

Hey uh you might want to delete those posts.

[quasi glade]

jmods dont read this chat lol

[carmine junco]

They regularly do, and pmods as well.

[silk crag]

Can’t unbeat her can they

[prime vault]

I think he means the missus will beat him

[silk crag]

True

[prime vault]

He's cappering

[quasi glade]

no proof lol

[silk crag]

I have no gf the missus is my body pillow

[carmine junco]

Aside from the posts on this channel from them I suppose.

[silk crag]

So no harm

[merry sail]

Somebody call oda block in this chat to give some influence. He’s the only streamer that will attempt to return to wars with a quickness

[quasi glade]

They only respond when ppl like the update

If they dont its like this channel doesnt exist

[carmine junco]

Probably because people venting aren't a productive sounding board

[quasi glade]

they havent responded once...

[prime vault]

I can't I'm banned from his server for posting a video of DR smoking Stormdablock

[quasi glade]

they deleted the pvp discussion discord

[carmine junco]

Because pvmers are worse than pkers, clearly

[quasi glade]

they dont respond to pvmers either

[carmine junco]

And yet

[quasi glade]

yet what

[meager flame]

i mean this is what it is

[carmine junco]

Yet they deleted the pvp board lol

[quasi glade]

there's a pvm discord somewhere?

[prime vault]

Nah this is a horrible update. Not it is what it is

[meager flame]

jagex through design decisions pitted the overall community against the pvp/pking community then stood back and watched pvp get dismantled

thats been the past 13 years

its 101% their fault

[carmine junco]

Pvp is already treated with kid gloves. So many updates/pvp specific changes/wildy unique features

[quasi glade]

We dont

ask for those...

L0L

PVMERS

ask for those

[meager flame]

yeah jagex has to do that now because their only ideas are strats on how to make the two sides dislike each other more

[brisk hill]

Yea I was really excited for multi revs to be removed dude I advocated for that so much lol /s

[carmine junco]

Can't imagine pvmers asking for no overheal from anglers in combat

[tacit wharf]

dont forget that the pvp clanning community basically imploded themselves as well

[brisk hill]

Yea reworking singles was super cool that was awesome im so glad they did that too lol /s

[prime vault]

You can't honestly say that when 99% of updates favor pvmers

[meager flame]

yeah but people talking shit and being crazy with each other in pvp is just standard that is what it is

they didn't have to make the entire design direction friction with the entire rest of the game

[merry sail]

Yeah bro it’s so imploded. No clans ever PvP anymore.

[meager flame]

so that everyone just said nah fuck that and slam no on everything pvp

that's how they dug the hole

[tacit wharf]

a lot more offline stuff happened within the community that just banter

[brisk hill]

And yet the community lives

In 2026

[tacit wharf]

"lives"

[meager flame]

yeah thats how it is

[brisk hill]

If it didn’t why am I typing

[meager flame]

im not kidding

[quasi glade]

bro they have been trying to kill the pvp scene for 13 years

and they still havent done it

[tacit wharf]

more like a hollowed out husk

[meager flame]

any game with pvp has crazy people doing crazy things to each other

[merry sail]

Wildy active af

[meager flame]

im not kidding

[brisk hill]

Are these other 15 people typing my alts?

[meager flame]

its just a fact of being on the internet unfortunately

[brisk hill]

Multi is alive even if it’s not the same as 2007

[merry sail]

Over 100 on map just last night goober

[brisk hill]

Don’t write us off

[quasi glade]

its the same with pvm

[prime vault]

Three pure clans had massive pulls on Sunday

[meager flame]

yeah

[quasi glade]

i've seen pvm clans dox eachother

lol

Like the most recent update to pvp is zombie pirates in 2024

before that wildy boss rework in 2023

before that removal of rev caves

[brisk hill]

No one asked for that either lol

[merry sail]

Yeah Tuesday and last night both tons of pures out and about

[quasi glade]

im missing the reworking of pj timer too

before that what was the updates exactly?

Wilderness hsa never been setup to succeed ever

Infact it's been setup to fail

Multiple times

When a update too good was out they had to remove multi revs

When single teams were having fun they fundamentally changed single and killed 40 single clans

[hard axle]

how do yall feel about the level threshold in wildy

Cuz I find that shit annoying

[quasi glade]

Makes sense

to me

[hard axle]

let me hit everyone

[quasi glade]

Go play w45

[hard axle]

Main game bis

[prime vault]

Just go to GDZ

[quasi glade]

I dont disagree they should get rid of dmm and focus on maingame

[carmine junco]

Or just delete pvp and let the people who enjoy it go do it on pvp worlds or dmm

[hard axle]

I wish to 1-tap a hardcore as they’re trying to use bones

https://tenor.com/view/anime-one-piece-power-armament-haki-luffy-gif-17262795

[prime vault]

Pvp made this game what it is

The pvp community made osrs happen

[brisk hill]

Without pkers wanting to go to p servers osrs wouldn’t exist

[silk crag]

Does the update affect pvp worlds?

[carmine junco]

And? I doubt that's the case anymore. Why be held down by the past

[merry sail]

Is this because you want the wilderness bosses to be safe for your Ironman?

[quasi glade]

Relive the challenging levelling system and risk-it-all PvP of the biggest retro styled MMO. Play with millions of other players in this piece of online gaming heritage where the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to b

on the main page

of osrs

lol

[prime vault]

You wouldn't even have this form of the game without the pvp community

[quasi glade]

nothing about pvm

btw

[brisk hill]

Too much brain stop

[carmine junco]

And yet the vast majority of people don't interact with and actively avoid pvp

[brisk hill]

Can’t reason with logic pls no

[prime vault]

You're welcome btw

[carmine junco]

Lmao

Get bopped

[quasi glade]

so why is it on the main page of osrs

Their own words

btw

not mine

[carmine junco]

Idk man, I didn't write it

[prime vault]

Because jagex doesn't actually listen to the pvp community on how to revitalize it and the direction of the game changed. That doesn't mean that pvp shouldn't still be a thing and that the updates should be shit for pvp lol

[carmine junco]

But considering every pvp update get ddownvoted into oblivion it's obvious that most don't want it

[silk thicket]

Mmm yeah the more I think about it the more I feel like it should be less restricted in multi

• Ironmen arent returning in sub 2 mins anyway
• Pvmers don’t care
• Doesnt harm singles pkers much
• Ragging is more effective in singles

[merry sail]

Would achieving a vw on an Ironman be as rewarding if the wilderness was safe? Isn’t that why they moved those bosses to singles to make it safer? I don’t understand why wilderness effects people who don’t like PvP

[carmine junco]

The poll today has brought the few who do out of the woodwork to complain.

[quasi glade]

It's not a poll

It's unpolled

[silk thicket]

But I also feel like they’re doing it for health reasons? Lmao… like u can go get some water

[brisk hill]

Almost like it’s because they don’t give us anything & when they do it’s actually negative for us

[cyan niche]

STOP THE “Jewellery & Tab Wilderness Teleporting” update

[brisk hill]

Interesting thought I know

[silk thicket]

Ik people can choose when to get their own water but ya

[carmine junco]

I don't care about vw, I'm not going for one. I might consider it if it wasn't in wildy, but it's hardly a factor in my calculus

[silk crag]

How dare I complain about the only piece of content i care about

[meager flame]

i mean i think its possible to admit that the game has pretty much proven that it no longer needs pvp and also that there probably is a market for people that would've liked pvp had jagex not ruined it for the past several years

idk what they're really supposed to do now

[quasi glade]

If they actually listened to the pvp community it'd revive in under a year

[prime vault]

Well a lot of people don't read game updates and wouldn't expect this update to happen. Dw you will be hearing more complaints about it

[quasi glade]

No meme, people would come back very quickly

[carmine junco]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Of course that's why you're here

[brisk hill]

They should ask the community of people who play it. Wow!

[brisk hill]

Yes

[quasi glade]

nah they'll ask

poisonpotion

XD

and kempq

XD

[meager flame]

yeah but i think they're kind of in deep with 200k players curated to be people that probably don't like pvp to begin with

[brisk hill]

That guy pk’s once every 4 years! Pog!

[quasi glade]

Yeah because jagex dont even have an idea of what they want

[meager flame]

idk how jagex gets themselves out of the hole they have created

[quasi glade]

It's so all over the place

[carmine junco]

I get the hate for streamers tbf, gnome monkey giving people same brain over updates sucks

[oblique mesa]

I'm still waiting for the gnomonkey video on the poll so I can form my opinion

[silk crag]

You don’t like dying is not the same as not enjoying pvp

I don’t like dying

Ask my body pillow

[quasi glade]

Nobody likes dying in any video game

Like just make our characters invincible

[carmine junco]

My opinion on pvp is mostly formed by how it works in osrs. I was primarily a pvp player in Eve online in Wormhole space.

[silk crag]

Even when wildy was removed clan wars was so active pre eoc

[carmine junco]

This also forms my opinion on why I think being able to return instantly after dying is weird.

[quasi glade]

It's the way its been for 20 years

[prime vault]

Return fights have been a thing for like 20 years

[quasi glade]

And its being changed in an unpolled change

[merry smelt]

There is no reason to have a respawn timer in RuneScape

[carmine junco]

Yeah, I get that. It just seems weird to me

[quasi glade]

It's unique

[vivid ruin]

I feel like i lived at clan wars pre eoc

[prime vault]

@merry smelt where is his lordship? We need him and Keanu to make another video

[carmine junco]

I'll probably skip that question on the poll

[merry smelt]

Multi fights about to be all of us sitting at edge

[carmine junco]

I don't have an opinion on it

[merry smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[quasi glade]

Its not a poll

[vivid ruin]

Would to fist of guthix for gear

[quasi glade]

Its unpolled

its going through

100%

[meager flame]

yeah bring the multi fight to varrock multi

lmao

[quasi glade]

Which is why we are all so angry

[silk crag]

Falador pvp worlds boutta be lit

[carmine junco]

Ah, right. Yeah it seems like they should poll it

[brisk hill]

It wouldn’t matter lol

[prime vault]

It shouldn't be an option in the first place

[quasi glade]

Like you are changing a game mechanic for 20 years like it's nothing

and your not even polling it

L0L

[brisk hill]

Pvmscape is an echo chamber & like you just highlighted, majority of the game doesn’t understand the negatives of it

[meager flame]

tbh idk why they dont just upgrade clan wars to support how people want to have wars

[merry smelt]

Or asking the community it's impacting

[prime vault]

If they do poll it you should be required to have 1k plus kills in wildy

[cyan niche]

It shouldn’t be an option

[silk crag]

Nobody in multi wants this, the only people it affects

[prime vault]

And your KDR to be positive

[cyan niche]

Quit ruining the wilderness

[quasi glade]

jagexmanked

said he was taking opinions

[meager flame]

i mean i guess that would require them to make an update for people who are pvping

[quasi glade]

so could add and tell him

[meager flame]

so its probably off the table

but still lol

[prime vault]

Already did

[silk thicket]

Real?

[merry smelt]

They haven't responded to this chat or the pings

[meager oar]

@prime vault @cyan niche gj lads

[prime vault]

Gm brother

[carmine junco]

They haven't, but we already know they do read a lot of discussion and player input.

[quasi glade]

Isn't crazy so many ppl who are rivals in here

agree on the same thing

about the update

[meager flame]

also just so you guys know

their cms at the very least do read this channel

they usually reply to stuff on update days

[merry smelt]

I mean we want to be able to fight each other

[quasi glade]

Yes

[cyan niche]

🫡

[quasi glade]

Some1 trolling will say just fight in cwa lol

[merry sail]

i mean its the obvious solution to pkri's but now that would exclude certain clans joining on clusters because of combat level differences so that is unfair to the pvp community.

[quasi glade]

like its the same as the wilderness

bro spontaneous fights are the best type

and we are losing that because of

initial momentum of a fight

so much damgage in the game you have to return quick

voidwaker hally

ballista

[merry smelt]

It ruins organic wildy fights between clans

[quasi glade]

and setup fights

and f2p clanning

and pure clannning

[silk thicket]

Sure but it’d help guide feedback if we got a response

[quasi glade]

he asked dino on stream

dw

lol

[silk thicket]

Cuz everyone just yapping about the same 2 things over and over

[merry smelt]

Who did?

[quasi glade]

manked

[merry smelt]

Of course

[quasi glade]

dino who doesnt actually have a clan

[brisk hill]

You’ll see more of that. An entire section of the game is about to be lost otherwise lol

[quasi glade]

and just streamer masses 300 people

and then says he's good in multi and every1 else is bad

[fading grail]

pking tonight?

[merry smelt]

Working tonight

[silk thicket]

Ye I know but why we gotta yap about the same things for a week? When they could say “hmm yeah that’s a fair point, but we really don’t like x and want a solution”

Then we can give more specific feedback

[fading grail]

Have to set up a pvm comp against you guys again soon

[quasi glade]

yes they should

[brisk hill]

Fair

[silk thicket]

Instead of saying same things over and over

[quasi glade]

(they wont)

[brisk hill]

Unfortunately until there’s direction this is what we have

[prime vault]

The solution is to just nix this completely

[quasi glade]

there is alot of things

[brisk hill]

Yes

[quasi glade]

they should do

[prime vault]

I'm not sure what they're even trying to address with this

[quasi glade]

but they dont

and listen to

purespam

dino

wiggled

kemp

q

[merry smelt]

Has anyone posted on Reddit yet? Maybe jagex will read that?

[cyan niche]

How do I get ahold of makes

[prime vault]

Some streamer probably cried about being ragged at wildy agility and this was their solution

[silk thicket]

Ns return wars

[brisk hill]

Kempq hunts bots bro he’s fine 😭

[cyan niche]

Manked***

[brisk hill]

He doesn’t need this update to hunt bots

[meager flame]

im ngl i do laugh at how they listen to the guy that they had to ban for rwt

[prime vault]

Why is that even a problem lol you can just leave

[meager flame]

very honest and solid feedback from him im sure

[scarlet dawn]

👀

[meager oar]

Welcome mate

[limber creek]

We've looked into the wilderness at the thousands of bots that auto logout whenever you find them or auto teleport under 30.
To adress this we've ruined return fighting cause fuck you loser lol.

[quasi glade]

https://x.com/ianspam/status/1407057835695947776

Ian / PureSpam (@ianspam)

Got invited alongside creators to hear some of the contents within the Wildy Blog and survey results revealed later this week. I am very pleased. @JagexAyiza @OldSchoolRS <3

For the first time in forever there are big strides towards a positive clear sense of direction, excited!

X · Jun 21, 2021, 7:28 PM

the pvp alliance

[scarlet dawn]

Where is my pink name

[brisk hill]

L00l

[merry smelt]

This is 5 years old lol

[quasi glade]

yes

[merry sail]

all i know is when oda is streaming and fighting in multi combat zones, he's telling his clan members they need to return faster. thats all imsayin

[quasi glade]

and he probably asking those ppl

for feedback rn

instead of multi pkers

[silk thicket]

Idk they prob see people sitting at their pcs dehydrated for 14h for 0 gain except ego and get concerned

[merry smelt]

Share the clip of him asking dino?

[cyan niche]

Where is that

[quasi glade]

sec

[silk thicket]

But like

[prime vault]

That's their own fault lol

[merry smelt]

This is RuneScape. Someone just got 200m sailing XP I. Less than 2 months

[prime vault]

Ns wars do nothing to impact the game

[meager flame]

i hope they didnt care about that

[silk thicket]

Yh agreed so they should apply it in singles or put a minimum risk fee or something

[meager flame]

they have dudes out here blasting 200m sailing exp averaging 20hrs a day for 40 days

[chilly swan]

reddit chuds just gonna downvote anything that says "pvp", but yeah theres like 2-3 posts rn

[meager flame]

or whatever it was lol

[silk thicket]

Cuz singles ragging actually ruins peoples experience

[scarlet dawn]

Are we discussing how good this update is?

[brisk hill]

Yes

[meager oar]

Ofc

[analog crow]

🍿

[scarlet dawn]

Great, positive vibes

[versed wind]

I really hope they deal with the massive sarachnis bot farm before adding the new herb sack into the game, legit spent 10 minutes hopping to find a world last time i was there

[silk thicket]

We are giving constructive feedback on how to make the game healthier

[silk crag]

https://tenor.com/view/patrice-evra-i-love-this-game-smile-happy-gif-15120531

[limber creek]

This one time i saw 5 naked lads fighting 5 other naked lads for 36 straight hours. I never want to see that again my feelings are hurt and i even lost my spade. There should've been a trigger warning because im so shook rn.

[scarlet dawn]

Hi you

[brisk hill]

Listen to the people who interact with the content!

[brisk hill]

Gm

[prime vault]

Some people did probably get smoked tellying up into that 😂

[silk thicket]

U mean to post that in the irl channel or what

[limber creek]

https://tenor.com/ea4wdsplBSy.gif

[silk thicket]

😭

[scarlet dawn]

Is this the uber ultra woke Sb server?

[silk thicket]

I got the joke dw

[meager oar]

@prime vault @scarlet dawn let’s amass sb in here to peaceful riot

[scarlet dawn]

Where did u link me to @prime vault

[prime vault]

I already pinged 3500 people 😂

[scarlet dawn]

Was expecting some Winx fanclub

[meager oar]

Fantastic

[brisk hill]

3500 people in an server dedicated to multi? I thought it was dead!

Wow!

[prime vault]

One of the three dedicated to multi

[limber creek]

You should see how many bots there are that love multi too!

I fight em all the time.

[meager oar]

I worked hard for those 3500 just for multi to suffer the same fate as singles

[scarlet dawn]

This update wouldve been very nice before ferox was released in f2p

Bummer oh well

[brisk hill]

This update is ass & only enables raggers

Would’ve done the same in f2p years ago too

[limber creek]

This update made my rag only pvp ironman even more powerful thanks jagex.

[quasi glade]

@merry smelt dmed you the time stamp

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2664352211

1 hr 38mins in

you can see manked as in the chat

and dino replys

str8 after

[prime vault]

Rip

[prime vault]

Matched opts fights have always been settled on KDR. the likelihood of running into another clanning pulling the exact same amount is low

[quasi glade]

he's never had a matched ops fight in his life

he streamer masses

300 people

[prime vault]

That's what clan wars is for...

[quasi glade]

and pretends he's better than every1 else

lol why do 50 people

need to return vs my 300

[brisk hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709498526106648617/1458898451856232512/IMG_7782.png?ex=6961508f&is=695fff0f&hm=6e8eaed7c6c357ddbf0c8f82ce1a76890553e0fecae0e24b7b0da757695bb161&

We are implementing this change so streamers can tell their 400 viewers they won lol

[quasi glade]

yup

It encourages less fighting

Because you cant return

Jagex want 1 minute tiktok fights

[past shell]

I’m here to riot

[quasi glade]

Welcome DR

[past shell]

We pay we say

[quasi glade]

So many clans hating 1 update

maybe @cedar mesa will listen.

[past shell]

Falador castle will burn

[prime vault]

Grab your cannons lads

[prime vault]

They should have asked people who actually multi pk instead of pretending it's for the health of multi pking

[scarlet dawn]

Someone call the greater demons at gdz

[silk crag]

Only one in fally

[torpid hawk]

wow this update is so bad

[brisk hill]

I’m curious what stake Jagex even has in multi wars? Why do they care if it’s “decisive”? The clans have always determined who wins. That’s why clans open & close

[merry sail]

make falador max wildy level

[brisk hill]

I don’t really understand it

[torpid hawk]

jagex know how to make the wilderness alive thats why its in the current state it's in

they do the opposite of what they need to do

You cant miss this many times

[prime vault]

I'm also confused why this was decided on

[restive storm]

their consultants all just wanted what was best for their streams so now the wildy is dead 🙁

[brisk hill]

If Jagex wants a decisive winner in the clan world they should host J cups

[prime vault]

Killing multi won't make singles active

[brisk hill]

Singles is dead because of their choices already

If you think about it this is the other side of that coin

[restive storm]

killing the pj timer would tho

[brisk hill]

It’s just finally flipping

Wow I’m not even baked & that was a fire metaphor

[cyan niche]

How do we even talk to Jagex

[scarlet dawn]

Youre very humble in here teal

Kinda cute

[brisk hill]

Make a Reddit post & get 4K upvotes

[restive storm]

yap in streamers chats and hope they pass along the message

[cyan niche]

F

[brisk hill]

This place isn’t for ego. There’s adults here making decisions & other adults having to deal with them

[ember token]

they even stopped making posts in #1305858575385755678

[brisk hill]

So just gotta plead

& hope they listen

[ember token]

they used to post blogs like this there and they’d read the initial discussion at least

[scarlet dawn]

I cant seem to reason as well why this was even needed

[ember token]

least for just a few hours

[brisk hill]

It doesn’t really make sense. Unless it’s for a streamer & his crowd of 400 to say “we have won a war!”

[silk crag]

If and eop having their “war” caused this I think

[brisk hill]

Otherwise clans already decide who wins on their own

(Never lose sometimes win)

[bronze kernel]

On another note. Can we rework the Teleport Nexus interface if we are going to be adding every single teleport in there? Having a singular long single column list sounds like it would be awful. Sure there are keyboard shortcuts, but those aren't available if you're on mobile.

Maybe have a tab with favorite teleports, and then a tab for each Spellbook (Can add the troll salts as part of the standard Spellbook list). Basically make it appear like the Spellbook and grey out ones you haven't unlocked/added in yet.

[haughty anvil]

Rl already has a plugin for this.

[brisk hill]

There were rag wars before then? There was a week long rag war in revs? More wayyy before that?

Like we’ve all mentioned this does nothing for ragging except ENABLE it further

[bronze kernel]

I'm aware. But you can't do that on mobile. And just saying "Just Runelite plugin it" is awful excuse

[torpid hawk]

Rag wars arent the standard they dont happen all the time

And how do rag wars impact you

[vivid ruin]

Should maybe be a small map of gielenore with highlighted spots for the tps

[torpid hawk]

You choose to return vs raggers btw

They dont hold you in a headlock forcing you to return

[brisk hill]

Yep. Why does having a decisive victor in multi matter to Jagex? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709498526106648617/1458898451856232512/IMG_7782.png?ex=6961508f&is=695fff0f&hm=6e8eaed7c6c357ddbf0c8f82ce1a76890553e0fecae0e24b7b0da757695bb161&

[bronze kernel]

I think having a tab for each Spellbook might be cleaner than a map. Especially since the map can get clunky

[haughty anvil]

Buy a PC

[bronze kernel]

Bro

Why the fuck do you think I don't have a computer?

[vivid ruin]

No theyre usually the ones returning after anhilating them 3x in a row without banking

[bronze kernel]

How the fuck did you get to that damn conclusion?

[torpid hawk]

Ok so leave?

I dont understand how raggers impact you

Just leave

[vivid ruin]

Lmao

[brisk hill]

They’re not even doing it for raggers

[torpid hawk]

Your done fighting them

[brisk hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709498526106648617/1458898451856232512/IMG_7782.png?ex=6961508f&is=695fff0f&hm=6e8eaed7c6c357ddbf0c8f82ce1a76890553e0fecae0e24b7b0da757695bb161&

[torpid hawk]

Just leave

[brisk hill]

This is why they’re doing it

Why does that matter to them lol

[torpid hawk]

Ah yes decisive fights for who?

[silk crag]

Since revs there’s not been a long ass rag war it’s normally an overnight thing

[torpid hawk]

There aint no jcup

[brisk hill]

Exsclty lol

If they cared

Host a j cup

Otherwise..?

Leave it alone

[torpid hawk]

If somebody starts ragging me i clear them

then hop

I dont chase them to gdz

It wont stop raggers either

They'll just regroup

and do another wave

[brisk hill]

If you unskull rag you don’t even need to regroup lol

You can just return

[vivid ruin]

You dont simply hop when they're constantly coming at you. You kill one, fight the next. The one you just killed is back before you finish

Lol

[torpid hawk]

Ok go single

and freeze and hop

[vivid ruin]

This man is livid

[torpid hawk]

They'll rag you anyway

Im confused

[brisk hill]

No one is livid. It just doesn’t fix what you think it does

[torpid hawk]

Do you ahve a 8 minute freeze

Where you cant move

for hours

or something

[brisk hill]

It does the opposite

[torpid hawk]

It doesnt solve ragging

[merry smelt]

If clans want a decisive victor they can just use clan wars or schedule a war with no returns. Cap the fight at a set time and see kills/deaths for who won

[brisk hill]

+1

[torpid hawk]

Yup everybody loves knockout fights thats why they happen all the time

XD

[brisk hill]

Clans are very capable of deciding who’s won

[merry smelt]

There is no reason for jagex to force us into fighting one way

[torpid hawk]

They've also killed

f2p clanning

lol

[brisk hill]

Singles too

[torpid hawk]

Pures too

[brisk hill]

Multi shouldn’t be a surprise

[meager flame]

tbf they hardly kept up with that

that channel is relatively new and they already dipped

[torpid hawk]

ofc they did

negative feedback

that doesnt allign with their

thoughts

[scarlet dawn]

True in a ragwar there are only losers, gotcha

[torpid hawk]

means its not relevant

[silk thicket]

Ig the idea is some of ur team can bank and come back while they wait out the timer

[meager flame]

its not even that i think they just weren't getting the attention they needed overall

[silk thicket]

So you’re not getting cleared at Callisto 50 vs 5

[torpid hawk]

why are you staying in a 50v5?

[broken flame]

imagine killing singles content and then saying "lol lets kill multi now"

[silk thicket]

Idk how effective it would be

[meager flame]

i think they were basically trying to make a section and then individual channels for each blog

and it turns out most people just didn't even look that deep into the discord

kinda useless if most of the time its like 4 people replying

[torpid hawk]

It is when they dont reply back

surely they've read

something

The only clan i've seen that likes this update

is RoT

lmao

[prime vault]

Rot doesn't like it either lol

[brisk hill]

Do you think you could tank 50 people with items like korasi & hally

[broken flame]

that isnt even true

lol

[torpid hawk]

So nobody likes it at all

Even worse

[merry sail]

ur talking to rot member right there ^ lol

[brisk hill]

No guys stop saying rot lol they’re banned

They were deleted lol…

[broken flame]

"Why we’re making this change

The aim here is to make multi-combat Wilderness fights healthier and more decisive."

• by someone who has never been in a multi fight

[prime vault]

We're pretending we care about multi while also destroying it

[meager flame]

tbh the vibes i get from it

[prime vault]

This isn't even fair for noobs trying to team pk

[meager flame]

is someone saw a really long multi fight and thought about multi for the first time in their life

and then we got a blog

[brisk hill]

Hurts them more than anything

Things like multi revs were a healthy way for noobs to experience pking

Now it’s gone lol

Gg

[prime vault]

This doesn't even positively impact pvmers lmao

[merry smelt]

Lol not even a pnecks gonna save you vs 50 with a mix of korasi, Hally, ballista, fire surge all while being speared

[torpid hawk]

yes all fights are going to be who gets the initial rush

[brisk hill]

Just tank dude lol they’re have to wait 2 mins in bank before they can return so surely you can eat your food & survive ….

[torpid hawk]

oh they logged in with 50 people to my 50 people spread pking

guess i lose

[prime vault]

I'm ranking!!

[scarlet dawn]

In fact nobody, oh other than streamers apparently lol

[covert cradle]

i cant find the red topaz gem bag update in the poll, any helpers

[torpid hawk]

only benefits streamers

who go to the wilderness

once a month

in a mass

and say omfg im so good

[restive storm]

same w/ pj timer, before you could have help as a noob, now you get mopped by sweats on ur first trip out

[torpid hawk]

look at me with my 300 people

[merry smelt]

Nice little smoke break between returns

[torpid hawk]

if it lasts that long

its all momentum based now

look at old jcup fights

the winning team

[broken flame]

Imagine having to wait 2 minutes for EACH person in your clan to lose skull to get a regroup, even with the ability to lose skull it just is so cringe

[scarlet dawn]

My returns take around 2 minutes so this doesnt impact me at all (thank goodness)

[torpid hawk]

always had

kill advantage 1 minute in

[brisk hill]

Yep

[brisk hill]

Piss break, bottle no longer needed

[covert cradle]

wouldnt sweats just abuse pjing?

[torpid hawk]

they did and thats fine

lol

why are we forcing people

to pk in 1 type of way

lol

its an mmo

[restive storm]

sure, but its significantly more noob friendly to allow people to team

[broken flame]

@manked take notes your ideas are bad

[torpid hawk]

and we are limiting creativity?

[zinc galleon]

dang just read the blog notes and came to join the discussion about wilderness changes, glad people are talking about it

[covert cradle]

ya but the chance of noobs using it vs sweats abusing it like cmon lmao

[torpid hawk]

ok

how many noobs do you see in the wilderness now

vs

[restive storm]

??? noobs did it all the time idk what youre talking about

[broken flame]

1%

[torpid hawk]

how many noobs were pking in single teams

that you could

quickly 1v1

[restive storm]

how do u think we all learned

[torpid hawk]

take advantage of

then run

[broken flame]

1% noobs, 15-30% pvpers, the rest is bots

[brisk hill]

Yeah but now you’ve taken away a noobs only escape in most cases lol

[covert cradle]

give ur enter button a break dude

[broken flame]

depends on the day

[scarlet dawn]

Word

[broken flame]

oh dont forget your like 1% of pvmers

[restive storm]

exactly

[torpid hawk]

all they should do is

[zinc galleon]

"Since they don’t meaningfully affect balance or access, we’re comfortable rolling them out without polling." (about how they decide what to poll) Never polled pj timer change, never polled rev multi change, now now not polling more wilderness changes that affect balance. Give us back our wilderness.

"As with all Wilderness changes, we’ll be watching how this plays out in practice and are open to adjusting it based on feedback."
it has been 5 years and changes made to wilderness balance have not been looked at AT ALL. give us back the wilderness.

[torpid hawk]

add a teleport timing for those risking under 200k

[brisk hill]

This guys thinks a brand new pker who’s shaking can catch a freeze and hug a tree against someone experienced lol

[torpid hawk]

if the key is worth

less than 200k

2 minute timer

simple

[scarlet dawn]

Polled teleblock to f2p 3 times, failed, then pushed as a integrity update. Dont forget that.

[broken flame]

They also promised us multiple updates for wilderness boss caves, loot was supposed to be polled more as well and buffed

[covert cradle]

and u think noobs are gonna coordinate to work together to get an escape lmao

[chilly swan]

this is a suggestion if something must be added, but truly no reason to add this at all

[broken flame]

But they decided to delete pvp discussion discord and forget about boss caves

[torpid hawk]

yes

like id be fine

if it only applied to those that risk

under 200k

in a key

[chilly swan]

yup, it makes the most sense

[brisk hill]

Yes? “Hey Jim bolt Tommy he’s on me”
“Ok Kyle lol”

That simple ?

[torpid hawk]

instead of

killing the entire

[brisk hill]

Like that whole interaction takes 6 seconds lol

[torpid hawk]

multi scene

[covert cradle]

rip jim

[torpid hawk]

L0l

[brisk hill]

This is the height of your argument

[scarlet dawn]

Imagine using voice chat for a wizard simulator clicking game

[brisk hill]

To mock when someone counters you lol

Sad!

Give us the wildy!

[restive storm]

i dont get why youre acting like this didnt happen literally all the time when thre was no pj timer

[covert cradle]

"protecting noobs" is just a shit argument when its going to get abused by pkers

idk why your acting like thats not a factor lmao

[haughty anvil]

Singles plus saved the wilderness

[restive storm]

it is a factor

[brisk hill]

No one is saying it’s not lol

[restive storm]

im just saying its not that important of a factor

[zinc galleon]

uhh explain

[torpid hawk]

#1458908242246762526 message

Thoughts?

[mortal narwhal]

Make the whole wilderness multi and get rid of this stupid update

Wildy saved

[zinc galleon]

what if the wilderness was 100% multi except a network of roads that connected certain monuments? that'd be cool IMO

[mortal narwhal]

I like that

[zinc galleon]

if people want to singles pk go to the roads or lvl 1

[mortal narwhal]

Stray off the path at your own peril

[mortal narwhal]

Or just go pvp world tbh

[restive storm]

unironically a better idea than anything jagex has come up with last 4 years

[haughty anvil]

It allowed proper 1v1 fights. Shut down huge noober singles clans praying on people taking advantage of outdated mechanics.

[mortal narwhal]

Yes I am a genius unbiased tbh

[covert cradle]

multi revs was a huge success lmao

[restive storm]

im sorry bro what kinda clans?

[broken flame]

Implying anything Jagex has come up with in the last 4 years for osrs hasn’t been stolen from rs3 or community made

[mortal narwhal]

Singles clan is crazy

[broken flame]

Jagex hasn’t came up with a good idea ever

[zinc galleon]

the wilderness is a fantasy roleplaying bandit simulator, not a safe space

[restive storm]

muh "solo player"

[mortal narwhal]

Let me larp as a brigand

[haughty anvil]

If you want to fight will all your friends just go to multi

Prob solved

Prob solved

[torpid hawk]

cant im stuck in bank cant return

lol

just watched my entire team get piled on and i couldnt help them

[scarlet dawn]

Bond an alt acc and rotate! Multilogging is ok

[zinc galleon]

except they removed the best multi combat hot spot. and singles+ creates a more binary non-fluid movement space of the wilderness - if that makes sense, i can explain more if needed.

[restive storm]

this doesnt solve anything

[haughty anvil]

Please do

[brisk hill]

I get what you mean. Singles is cookie cutter now

It’s the same thing every time now

[restive storm]

singles is literally SO BORING now

[haughty anvil]

We know you're very angry you can't pk singles. Just go to multi.

[restive storm]

i pk singles all the time man idk what ur talkin ab

[covert cradle]

ya getting piled by clans isnt exactly fun either lmao

[mortal narwhal]

Not to mention singles is overrun by ahk, just gets annoying. Ahk detection is clearly shit

[restive storm]

i run around in WAY TOO MUCH gear that i should not be in

and have never died doing so

[brisk hill]

All you gotta do is freeze dd so gz on that 1 fella

[zinc galleon]

Think of it as a blended experience. You cross the ditch, you cross level 1 and as you progress the danger increases. Singles+ creates a hard stop on the progression and danger level because you will only have a combat encounter with a SINGLE person.

[haughty anvil]

Can you imagine a world without singles plus (I sure can't) with all the gear and weapons we have today. Tanking a half would be impossible.

[restive storm]

thats what i mean, but i suck so how is the game made so that i can run around in 600m of gear

and not pay the price

[torpid hawk]

yes

because other teams

would hit you

also...

[brisk hill]

Safeman mode

[zinc galleon]

that's good, the wilderness is the embodiment of chaos and death, so it should be full of it

[torpid hawk]

It's literally what happened

1 team sets up a bait

team gets baited

other team logs in and focuses that team