game-update

[final frigate]

its current uses are more due to the range than anything else

(and defenses on crystal)

[small anvil]

And irons for the no ammo upkeep lol

[final frigate]

yeah

[small anvil]

But like it's the weakest of the sub mega? Maybe

Or rather BP is just insane

And is the real mega

[final frigate]

yeah

[small anvil]

At the very least it's head and shoulders the top 2nd best weapon

[icy relic]

It's moreso that the niche for BP is actually really wide and only seems to be getting wider

[small anvil]

Ayak is really nutty too

[icy relic]

Now that jagex is moving away from really high def bosses

[small anvil]

BP scales crazy well

[icy relic]

+guaranteed hit/max hit opportunities

[small anvil]

It's 250% scaling when normalized to 5t

Tbow max scaling is 350 but regularly is below it iirc

[idle rapids]

tbow sucks

niche wep

[small anvil]

Tbow is good in its niches

But yeah the least universally applicable mega

[idle rapids]

when i bought one i used it like once

good for getting inferno kc i guess tho

[icy relic]

Eh

[small anvil]

It's going to be my last mega

[icy relic]

Shadow barely used these days either

[small anvil]

Ayak means it's very easy to justify never buying shadow

But it's still amazing at some things

[final frigate]

for buying first megas i mean you just buy it for the content you do so that's whatever imo

[icy relic]

Shadow is just a do more ToA item right now

[final frigate]

all 3 have plenty of options for content atp

[small anvil]

Toa, gwd

[icy relic]

Not worth for gwd

[final frigate]

cox

i hear

[small anvil]

It's good there but not the reason you buy it

[icy relic]

Shit content, just dolo with a soulflame horn

[small anvil]

Ya cox

I'm not gonna make an alt any time soon

[final frigate]

hows ayak tbow vs bp shadow at cox

[small anvil]

Uh idk, how much do you tbow besides olm

Dhcb would replace there

Ayak head running is kinda annoying I believe?

[icy relic]

DHW slaps so hard on olm if you're not soloing

[small anvil]

Oh dhw too

But shadow slaps at vesp

Idk the rest

[final frigate]

i see

[idle rapids]

Its hard for me not to see dhw as someone misspelling DWH

[final frigate]

yeah it's very weird

[narrow folio]

would it not be 140% ahead if its a 5t 175

[small anvil]

4t weapon becomes 125% relative scaling normalized to 5t

I'm converting to 5t not converting down to 4t units

[narrow folio]

So I take 175/5 then *4

[small anvil]

Yes in 4t scy scales 40% better than a 4t weapon

[narrow folio]

ok thats 5t to 4t

[small anvil]

We were talking about sra though

Which is 140% at 5t. It's 112% in 4t units

Wait 116

Math hard

No

I was right the first time smh my head

So it's scales off levels/gear/boosts 12% better

Than inq/whip/whatever

[narrow folio]

sounds about right

[small anvil]

(sra also somehow has less rounding in the damage calc iirc, so you get max hits at different stack levels basically every str)

Or maybe not less rounding

But each str often ends up mattering somewhere iirc

(one could also look at that as it's affected by rounding and losing fractional max hits at a lot of spots)

[hasty shard]

the ranarr drops

chills

[meager flame]

I honestly think it sucks

The drawback isn’t interesting or good design because the payoff for dealing with it is just almost never worth it

That’s how I had sra and blade but ended up using the blade a lot more than I would’ve expected before actually using sra

It’s kinda tragic

[icy relic]

it doesn't bypass def

doesn't have crazy acc

doesn't meaningfully bypass any rules of your average mid tier wep

doesn't open up any content

[meager flame]

Honestly they should probably just remove the hp drain

I doubt they want to buff it until that’s worth dealing with for most people

Maybe they just ignore it forever too but like

The item is cool the process to make it is insane

It should be good

But it’s kind of not

Idk where I even used it once I had it tbh lol slayer aside where the downsides are irrelevant

I guess I killed sol with it a couple dozen times

Used it enough at tob to know it’s not worth the additional burden

[icy relic]

it's not even good at bloat, nylos, or maiden

and you have to 5.33 tick xarp and verzik

it's good for p3 verzik for sure

[meager flame]

Ya it’s just -1 inventory space and extra thinking/potential death to an early mistake for a minor increase

[icy relic]

the stupid stack mechanic just makes it even more niche than usual

[meager flame]

Like if I were very very sure I wouldn’t do anything wrong it’s technically worth it

[icy relic]

instead of the comparable weps being usable in more circumstances than normal mage/range weps

[meager flame]

But I know I’ll eventually make that one mistake and set myself back an absurd amount of points compared to the gain

Idk how many raids using it perfectly it would take to make up for the one time you died

[icy relic]

I want to start bringing it for verzik just because saeldor loses so much damage on webs

which is the most important part of the fight

[round lintel]

riiight nice click box

🙂

[merry verge]

Thought this would be a relevant channel to share this take on all the new updates and content they keep pushing at such a pace..

[round lintel]

I guess ima just go to sleep

[meager flame]

personally i kind of hate doom but also like it

its a weird boss where i feel like a lot of the time its pushing you to play well and it feels good when you do the right things but also

theres a lot of rough edges and they basically all kill you because as soon as you do something wrong on that boss you just get deleted

so it goes from feeling good to being super frustrating really fast sometimes

kinda reminds me of halo 3 on the 360 lol where you were constantly in a tug of war between having fun with all of the really good stuff and getting really mad at things like the hit reg

[chrome lantern]

Yeah honestly my personal take is just remove the stacks altogether, as someone that has an SRA on my iron I almost never touch it even in ToB because of how niche it is

[meager flame]

ya i think conceptually an item like SRA can work

but it has to come with a payoff thats very worth it

instead of it being really strictly balanced

nobody is out here trying to basically put a debuff on themselves for a very minor gain

but if the axe did like insane dps

it would be different

[chrome lantern]

I love doom but only the deep delves so I’ve only gotten like 1/3 of the loot (ironman btw)

Like a 41 pb doesn’t mean anything if I die on 42 and lose it all, but I would go crazy if I did wave 8 resets

[meager flame]

i think the part about it that makes it kind of flip between amazing and frustrating is that its asking you to play fairly well/at a high level

so when some minor nitpicky thing like oh that hitbox is weird happens or you somehow click one of the earth totem things because their click box is too tall or whatever

its more annoying than it would be on an easier boss

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I did get 96-0 hp in 2 ticks when I died on my 42 pb

[meager flame]

it occasionally kind of flirts with exposing some things that just aren't super great about osrs combat

the click boxes being one of them but also sometimes when you get a bunch of grubs near each other

it starts getting weird trying to right click things

especially when its grubs+the orb phase

so there are a lot of things you may potentially be clicking

[meager flame]

the holy moleys are going to be real lmao

[bold portal]

hooded slayer helm

[analog crow]

Holy moleys are real?!

[olive tinsel]

Hooded slayer helm is great
BUT
why tf unlock it for 1k points, we already got to 99, just GIVE it to us, 1k points for anything is steep anyways jfc

If anything just have it unlocked for free for anyone with 99 and thats the requirement to use it

[chrome pier]

new poll looks good but would be cool to also have a gem bag upgrade to store opal, jade and red topaz

[still sundial]

omg finally more teleports in nexus

[meager flame]

i actually kinda do agree with this

[still sundial]

wait new canoes omGGG

[meager flame]

idk why they always want to charge people 1k slayer points as like a built in reflex lol

[still sundial]

I wanted this for no joke 18 years

[solid trout]

The Hooded slayerhelm would also be imbuable right?

[meager flame]

yes

[olive tinsel]

Arbitrary loyalty to outdated status quo

[meager flame]

i just find it weird because almost everyone that would have this hood for the slayer helm probably knows how to do slayer correctly

so odds of them having 1k points aren't even that high

[olive tinsel]

Like I don't know ANYONE wearing skillcapes if they're not either ironmen or fashionscaping and bankstanding

Why pay 1k points for that

Just give it to us really, we got to 99, enough with the extra hoops

[meager flame]

idk though its interesting

like if i point boost myself 1k points

idk if i'd buy something silly like that instead of just waiting for the next boss or whatever that i have to skip for on release

[olive tinsel]

Yeah but point boosting is boring

[meager flame]

which is maybe a little lame because otherwise its a neat addition

[olive tinsel]

(I wasted 500 points yesterday trying to get a SINGLE sire task in a sea of mediocre bs)

[still sundial]

grouping teleports also awesome

[olive tinsel]

I do not have 1k points because slayer weighting is nonsensical

[cloud iron]

The clan notification changes for things like gems, threads etc need to be an option in the clan settings. Not simply removed, that's not preferable in all clans. Also, new PBs don't display properly unless everyone in the raid receives a new PB - this was perfectly fine before the PB grouping update for clan notifications, and needs to be made optional as well please. Not all clans feel like these notifications are spammy.

[meager flame]

getting the points is relatively easy at least

maybe needlessly annoying though idk

[olive tinsel]

I think point boosting shouldn't be the only way to get points tbh like idk maybe kuradal shouldn't give me exclusively shit like gargoyle and kraken and kurasks LOL tasks that take 5ever

Either way it's lame and boring

[meager flame]

tbf you're probably using the slayer master incorrectly if you haven't blocked kraken

[cloud iron]

Seems like a solid list of updates otherwise. Please make 2026 the year clans get some love, 500 capacity is pitifully small. Easy money sink opportunity Jagex! 1b/ 100 capacity or give us upgradable/customizable clan halls!

[meager flame]

they have spreadsheets where you can input your blocks/skips so you'll average out gaining points

[olive tinsel]

I only haven't blocked kraken because the block list, even with diary and quest cape, is a bit too small, and I think things like fire giants. Suqahs and drakes are higher priority blocks due to how much slayer masters love those

[meager flame]

each master has its own block list now

[brittle seal]

I really hope they give us a sarachnis instance if the herb pouch passes... I already get crashed there an annoying amount as it is

[meager flame]

tbh idk if i like that item coming from specifically that boss

[hasty shard]

its a bit early in progression but i dont mind

[olive tinsel]

Masters have individual lists but on the big refund I was only able to reblock one whole master and I went with kuradal

At least Konar is nice and likes to give me hydra so printing money is never hard

[meager flame]

boss is already a silly meme that got bombed by pet hunters and otherwise honestly isn't really something low level players should be going to do

and now we're just gonna pull up with like

all of us and kill it again

lmao idk if its a solid plan

its just gonna be a bunch of maxed players crashing each other and hopping worlds

[meager flame]

i mean this is probably the point bc honestly

its not in the progression lol

you could go there but you probably shouldn't currently

so thats probably why they want to add something

maybe if like

every spider boss could drop it

you could spread people out better

like i'd rather kill araxxor and a new player would rather do sarachnis

idk if they would want to include the wilderness spider bosses though since they kinda get botted

[fossil narwhal]

I like the herb sack upgrade but why does it have to come from Sarachnis, is there no skilling content where they can add it?

A rare drop from seed packs or something

[tender harness]

No to seed packs

[merry smelt]

Wilderness teleport is a bad change and will only incentivize clans to have multiple accounts to log in for fights. It will make the situation worse for actual clans wanting to have a proper return fight against each other.

[tender harness]

Sarachnis is dead content anyways outside of pet farming
Like its fine, would just like different sources to chase outside of that boss

[meager flame]

im just worried it will be like it was/sometimes still is

[nocturne basin]

Love the idea of the Sarachnis update. I do think if this gets applied, allowing private instances of Sarachnis might be needed as world contention will be way too high

[meager flame]

where theres just a bunch of people doing it and since its not instanced they're just fighting over worlds or doing world hop simulator

[fossil narwhal]

I feel like the reason it's Sarachnis is because the cudel is high droprate so lower level accounts don't grind it

[weary stag]

Clock tower clue step and fruit tree patch are cool but without a fast way to get onto the river this is dead content right?

[meager flame]

this is also how we destroyed the value of sarachnis to begin with for the noobs

[fossil narwhal]

Also yea, the clue spider getting a drop many people will want is going to suck

[meager flame]

we go stomp the boss for the pet and their cudgel isn't worth anything

[tender harness]

Sarachnis never had value to begin with outside of irons

Dont lie

[nocturne basin]

Sarachnis has value because of clues

[fossil narwhal]

It doesn't even have value for irons

[meager flame]

so now we resummon everyone that isn't going for clues or pet

to stomp the boss again

idk if its a solid plan lol

[tender harness]

Theres plenty of better sources for clues than sarachnis

[brave hearth]

spirit tree by clock tower seems the intended access. or just ardy cloak and run over.

[fossil narwhal]

Maybe a rare drop from pickpocketing master farmers in the farming guild could work too?

[weary stag]

I'll be there for the clog but 30 herbs in the pouch is fine imo, lasts way over an hour of herbi

[meager flame]

yeah the flavor text was insane

i've never capped a herb sack on a slayer task in my life

[tender harness]

Expanded herb sack before gem bag is wild tho

[meager flame]

in fact

[weary stag]

Crazy eh? XD

[meager flame]

i think outside of herbi its actually afk salvage

where i cap the sack

[tender harness]

Herbi and salvage are about the only two places to actually cap the sack

[still sundial]

actually considering herb sack as a permanent UIM item now

[fossil narwhal]

It will be nive for herb runs too probably

[thick beacon]

Im mostly exicted for herb runs with it

[weary stag]

Don't you clean them as you go?

Clean em and note em ez

[tender harness]

Expanded sack is more than welcome makes herbi longer
Just dont know why its needed

[weary stag]

Lil extra profits too

[thick beacon]

its better ye but i prefer degrime and reclineing during ehrb runs

[faint cloak]

sarachnis is already heavily botted, idk if anyone's been there recently but almost every world has an account with no boss kills besides thousands of sarachnis

[weary stag]

Based

[meager flame]

yeah idk why its the herb sack and not the gem bag

im not even mad at bigger herb sack but the gem bag seems like the hot topic

[tender harness]

People want the gem bag because od lost topaz drops from salvage

Of*

[weary stag]

I think I'd prefer a 30 cap herb sack that automatically cleaned herbs that get deposited in there

[meager flame]

yeah the red topaz into the gem bag thing is like a current need/want for people

100 herbs in sack is cool but like

if they never said this i would've never thought of it

[vivid ruin]

Please tell me the holy moly meme slippers is a joke

[main kestrel]

been wanting it since before salvage for opals/dodgy necklaces/exp bracelets

[meager flame]

tbh i want to vote no to it just because the people that wear the mole slippers should be purged

[weary stag]

Are we finally getting to change every fairy ring having a Zanaris option on it or have I misread?

[meager flame]

one man on youtube makes me hate the idea

[vivid ruin]

Aye! Lets do it.

[meager flame]

basically lol

[weary stag]

After 2 weeks of them entering the game we will see them so rarely xD

Waste of a poll q tbh

[meager flame]

thankfully i cant even remember their name atm actually but

[thick beacon]

they prob just want to do something small and fun still not a fan of things like this personally

[meager flame]

they basically release horrible guides yell into their mic wear mole slippers

and the guide is over

holey moleys are just a meme people have been talking about for years

[thick beacon]

ive never heard of it tbh but if theres some backing from the commuity makes sense ig

[meager flame]

which yeah its fun but at the same time

[thick beacon]

ive heard of the slayer hood thing before though

[vivid ruin]

Giving energy to memes cant be taken seriously

[weary stag]

Quetz whilste directing feels like it should be a diary reward

[meager flame]

actually i know what question i'd want answered

did they already do the work for the meme or will it have to be done after

bc its kind of a waste of time but if they already got it together its not like it hurts anything

[quick bough]

That's a great shout, Varlamore diary would be cool

[tender harness]

They give us directing but no unlimited charge whistle

💀

[meager flame]

the varlamore diary is like

on pace for more interesting rewards than almost any other diary already

[tender harness]

Varlamore diary isnt happening anytime soon

[meager flame]

but they keep holding back like they don't have ideas/content for it lmao

[weary stag]

What rewards are ya thinking?

[meager flame]

i swear anything in varlamore that people do has a diary suggestion

[thick beacon]

did we finish all varlamore parts that jagex planned yet?

[weary stag]

Slayer helm w/ moons gear line shaizen xddd

[still sundial]

waiting for new gear slot to get released first, clearly

[meager flame]

no

[weary stag]

That would be fine for the game right :P

[meager flame]

theres another section of varlamore waiting

[weary stag]

Give us the bards college

Tempestus?

[meager flame]

yeah

[tender harness]

And tbh they should fix the old diaries and improve those rewards before even touching varlamore

[weary stag]

Add loot grand coffin to mory elite cough cough

[meager flame]

also aside from tempestus theres actually an ocean too

that we cant access to the left of varlamore

[oblique mesa]

And the little area on aldarain

[weary stag]

I think we're crazy to expect jagex to fix desperately needed content than to add new broken content to try and rope new people in

[meager flame]

oh for sure

[weary stag]

Enshittification hits us all haha

[meager flame]

thats why kourend still isn't done but we got the big varlamore expansion please play our game

we didnt finish this either but look

the oceans are massive look at the islands

they always do this lol

[shy sentinel]

Can't give us more Elite Clues on tables for Sailing or Moon Keys in Varlamore Waters....but oh we definitely need Holy Moleys.....

[fossil narwhal]

Make grand coffin bis elite clues or irons

[tender harness]

We add missing teleports to poh
But cant even add the missing jewelery

[meager flame]

tbh holy moleys are probably a small little meme that didn't take/won't take them long

[still sundial]

mounted Ates 🙏 🙏 🙏

[meager flame]

cant really compare that to other things people want

[fossil narwhal]

Silver jewlery box 🙏

[tender harness]

Dont even want a mounted ates
Like just let us build a jewelery box in the nexus room that has the missing teles

Ates, burning, sailors the lot of them

[meager flame]

i want more mounted necklaces but like

we're out of space

[weary stag]

Has construction fallen to the same fault as Smithing, of a lack of reward space?

I guess they wouldn't need to make it 90+

[fossil narwhal]

Sailor too? Because we also don't have like the tob necklace

[meager flame]

i just need like lmao a mannequin stand

[tender harness]

No, con has the problem of poh being effectively broken

[meager flame]

where i can just put every kind of necklace/ring/whatever on it

[oblique mesa]

Con and smithing are nothing alike lol

[meager flame]

in my poh

[tender harness]

Smithing has literally nothing

[meager flame]

the jewelry box is the same idea though

[oblique mesa]

PoH is crazy good and smithing... uh.. exists

[meager flame]

but i bet its hard to expand the options on it or something like that

[weary stag]

As far as adding new high tier rewards, there isn't a lot of levels above the highest req, is what I mean

[tender harness]

You dont need a billion mounted necks
Just make a new jewelery box for the nexus room that can override one of the slots where the mounted neck is

[fossil narwhal]

It's a gold sink

[weary stag]

Like if they ever added dragon smithing into the game where's it gonna go cuz rune plate is already 99

[meager flame]

but then you'd have to stop and think

why not just add them to the box we already have

[tender harness]

We have dragon smithing technically

[weary stag]

True xD

I'ma call it the rancour problem

[meager flame]

their con changes to make our poh worth using but not staying in are honestly great game design though

[weary stag]

Cuz the reqs on that is one way to fix the issue but it's not clean

[meager flame]

they actually fully made that skill useful to everyone and impactful

but we never actually stay in the house

we just go there to do something else

and by something i mean basically anything

[weary stag]

People getting cosmetic upgrades for the 3 ticks they spend in the poh xD

[tender harness]

Vote no to holey moleys just to watch parasites that are merch clans suffer

[weary stag]

Now that's a fuckin funny idea

Wait hold up so I have to pay 1k points for a colour and then 1k points to put my hood up

That's a lot of skips gone

[shy sentinel]

I'm voting no

[weary stag]

Wait they're fixing agility shortcuts but not the ones in auburnvale that take longer than running around xD

[tender harness]

Yep

This is honestly a low effort or hanging fruit poll for them

[weary stag]

A step in the right direction I guess

[tender harness]

If I had to guess

[weary stag]

I'm tryna be positive now

Zmi teleport on the poh is kinda cool if u don't have the lvl for spellbook swap yet I guess

Ice plat saves me changing to lunars for the few clue steps

[meager flame]

i will fight them if they try to bring back the terrible 2h stance jagex added sometime around 2008 if i had to guess

[tender harness]

The changes aren't bad but like,
Jewelery missing from poh
Infinite charge quetzal whistle
Sarachnis not having instances but adding a herb sack modifier to it

Its low effort and low hanging which is fine.
Just wish they would have put some more thoughts into the herb sack piece atleast

[weary stag]

The rum teleports are now tradeable as if the 1 half hour locked minigame tele (which they're also making more accessible) is still on cooldown

Wait positive I forgot

[tender harness]

Tradable teleports to a dead minigame

They killed for the fletching minigame

[weary stag]

Yeah was gonna say, it almost came back til they made sure it didn't haha

[still sundial]

tbh it promoted playing it incorrectly

[meager flame]

idk if i've seen a legit game of that minigame

[meager flame]

since the week it originally released

[weary stag]

There's a guy, Rum Runners, who does so well at moderating the public world

[meager flame]

i can barely remember what it was even like lol

[weary stag]

Dude gets people who are afking on one team and playing for points on the other

[tender harness]

There hasn't been intended playing of brewing since it originally released lol

[weary stag]

We grab 25 buckets and do 4 laps and wait

Gamingggg

[meager flame]

the funny thing is that it was actually kinda fun back then

[weary stag]

It's nothing more than a nice 100 hour ago clog grind to me

[meager flame]

people running around trying to sabotage each other but not really sure what they were doing

[weary stag]

It's so fun

Catch monke

3rd best raid

[meager flame]

its like the fight pits

which are also in this blog

that was actually fun in like

2006?

and they were talking about people hiding as if thats a new meta but people did that back then

[thick beacon]

might be my first no vote in 5 years

[meager flame]

i was mostly shocked that they were implying anyone plays it in 2025

is that even a thing?

is there like a secret community somewhere that actually goes to fight pits

[weary stag]

I think they had a jmod event recently but idk how popular it was

[still sundial]

might honestly be just for those events

which fair enough

it was fairly popular I think but there were prizes

[weary stag]

There's content in the game now, other than kq or mole

And the duel arena is so dead, but still so useful for imbues and the wildy is uhhh.. Yeah idk why they're looking into that instance of pvp specifically

[finite tapir]

lol did the jmod who took this picture have a certain wiki page open

whys there a blue area box next to the north circle

[meager flame]

its kinda crazy thinking back that far though

i remember all of these minigames actually being played for fun

and like

i really haven't seen it in 20 years lol

[silk thicket]

Any plans to address ragging in singles?

[noble lark]

Make not only slayer hood on helm max infernal cape hood also!!

[meager flame]

i also had this thought

because im pretty sure the hooded slayer helm will look actually terrible

[merry smelt]

Wilderness teleport change is bad for multi clan fights

[meager flame]

when people put their real capes on lol

[noble lark]

Yep

[merry smelt]

Punishes actual return fights

No one returns in one item rag in an actual planned pkri

Yet we will still be impacted

[weary stag]

Hahah shit they have half assed it xD

[meager flame]

i haven't seen a war in like

a decade

but those changes do sound bad

[merry smelt]

Doesn't mean they don't haopen

[meager flame]

like

do people actually run back in rags and is that worth fixing people coming back in decent sets

bc it seems like it would just fuck up a lot of the clan multi fights i used to go to

[merry smelt]

The issue with their change is if we schedule a 30 minute return fight in barrows tank, bloodbark, crystal shield we are impacted the same as someone 3 item ragging

[meager flame]

and im sure that group of people doesn't need another kick

its just weird because the stuff they're talking about fixing is stuff im not sure i've ever actually seen

at least not at scale

i've seen a guy come back ragging or whatever im sure everyone has

[merry smelt]

The wildy teleports is probably because of the rag return fight that happened over Christmas and lasted days

But this is an unnecessary update for something that was an anomaly not the norm

[meager flame]

tbh i thought i was about to read actual good changes

and then it turned out to be them trying to mess up multi clan fights

[finite tapir]

there are some niche cases where tb has actual games

i have a friend who played in an event for the most rum a long time ago

she also has the only (afaik) 5 rum solo game

[weary stag]

I wonder if the wildy tele changes would make it possible to rag bots

[finite tapir]

it wouldn't

[weary stag]

Yeenah I'm dreaming again

[finite tapir]

in my time at rogues castle i'm almost positive they run from edgeville

as in, lever

[merry smelt]

Yeah they use lever

[finite tapir]

lever -> deep -> run east

i do know some bot farms use the obelisk too

but that's also not something that gets restricted from the patch

maybe if they don't have ferox respawn it might? unsure

[merry smelt]

Wish Jagex would speak to PvP clans before making a change that only really impacts us

[finite tapir]

the blog post makes it sound like that's what happened

[merry smelt]

I'd like to know what ones they are talking to

[weary stag]

Reddit xD

[frozen lion]

Good changes thanks, please some love for fish sack barrel/forestry basket, aerial fishing and solo corp beast doers 🙏

[finite tapir]

the fight pit change looks kinda pointless to me imo

tb at least has actual games even if real ones are barely existent

[weary stag]

Most of it is fluff or low hanging fruit tbh

[finite tapir]

solo corp is fine as-is imo

it's a good skilling-esque activity

[frozen lion]

No its not, requiring alt with bond to host private instance is disgusting

[finite tapir]

public

[frozen lion]

Crashers

[finite tapir]

🤷

[meager flame]

i mean tbf i've never been crashed at corp on my iron

[weary stag]

I'd like to see Corp have a lootshare system closer to the rest of the wildy bosses tbh

[finite tapir]

dear god no

[weary stag]

Feels awful doing a cc mass and only 1 person gets kc

[meager flame]

i've seen some people think about it or maybe go in between my kills while im afk or something for a minute

but i've never had someone run in mid kill on me

but yeah i wish corp had modern drop mechanics

[weary stag]

Okay not the loot but the kc credit is what I care about

[meager flame]

i'd probably like doing corp with people more than any of the solo methods

[finite tapir]

i don't like that idea only because it makes getting corp kc trivial on an iron

[weary stag]

duo Corp feels comfy now just sucks not getting +1 on the leadboard

[meager flame]

tbf its already trivial

[finite tapir]

has a gear check

[meager flame]

its mostly just boring afk time

[finite tapir]

would also mean you're eligible for sigils without needing to solo which i think is silly

[meager flame]

or repeatedly nardah statue depending on how you're feeling

and yeah i mean of course people want the loot

the items already mostly suck its not like we're worried about people actually having spirit shields lol

[merry smelt]

@cedar mesa Wilderness Teleport change is going to have a negative impact on proper return fights and scheduled PKRIs. Not sure who told you guys it was a good idea for PvP clans.

[weary stag]

O7

[finite tapir]

i like that they're flex/vanity items

[finite tapir]

i sorta don't like the idea of infinite quetzal

i wasn't really a big fan of them allowing you to bless a quiver either

[meager flame]

idk i'd just rather have a reworked corp thats actually fun than try to maintain the status of some mostly bad but sometimes niche items

[finite tapir]

i don't think we should be reworking old pvm content personally

[thick beacon]

would u want charges on a infernal cape?

[finite tapir]

honestly yes

[thick beacon]

[meager flame]

im always like that though i prefer gameplay to headcanon about item status

[finite tapir]

this is true for kq too

i think kq is fine to be quite frank, and people who mald about it not being echo kq or w/e are just coping

[meager flame]

the only echo boss that i think is just flat out better was grotesque guardians

but thats because that boss is just actually bad

[finite tapir]

you can flinch for slow but guaranteed kills, or you can facetank if you're goofy, or you can do a mix of stepunder/etc if you want better kill efficiency

[meager flame]

and the echo version is an entirely different boss using their models

[finite tapir]

i think ggs is the only echo boss i haven't seen

was ggs and thermy but then i saw thermy

and thermy currently is more interesting than echo thermy to be quite honest

[weary stag]

There was a 3rd gargoyle that was the main focus

Dawn and dusk didn't need to be touched unless you wanted to extend the fight for some reason

[meager flame]

yeah you were basically dpsing, stepping back and rotating around it to place frontals/fire

and since it wouldn't be a league if it ever actually got added to the real game

you'd get to actually do all the stuff

[tender harness]

add the corrupted inferno cape
when you charge it, it turns blue

[finite tapir]

gech my goat

[meager flame]

yeah the holy moleys are too much of a meme for me

[meager flame]

im not entirely against cosmetics but this is like jagex polling the badboy stance from reddit

[finite tapir]

they just look kinda... bad honestly

[weary stag]

Isn't there Duke slippers that are also a meme

[finite tapir]

like the sticker is funny because it looks very out of place

and it being a pun i guess

[hasty shard]

i want holy moleys infinitely more than the slayer helm

[thick beacon]

think it looks more suited to be a holiday item then a geninue item

[weary stag]

Lock moleys behind 1k slayer points

[finite tapir]

yeah

[weary stag]

XD

[meager flame]

they should've added mole icons to my devout boots

that are also useless but you know if prayer actually ever mattered are the best

[finite tapir]

if it was purely fashionscape with no stats, even if the stats aren't that much

i think i'd feel more inclined on voting yes personally

[silk thicket]

It does in their current iteration but it makes them more interesting, no? Rn its just fast returns in minimal gear, incredibly boring concept

[tender harness]

if a vote no is a vote that fucks with merch clans

[finite tapir]

i don't think we should be encouraging cosmetic "useful" items unless they're something which is earned

[weary stag]

Seen a comment earlier to vote no on moleys just to fuck with the merch clans and that's the most appealing it's sounded so far

[tender harness]

then thats my no vote

[silk thicket]

But with a timer on it then strategy comes into play. It’s important to focus people down and stay alive, kinda interesting

[weary stag]

Oh haha the op himself xD

[finite tapir]

and i don't even mean that in the sense of like, pvm gatekeeping or whatever, but literally just like one of the main reasons people dislike rs3 cosmetics is that it can be very hard to actually tell what cosmetics are "i look cool because i did something cool" vs "i look cool bc i paid for it"

[merry smelt]

People don't return in minimal gear in actual clan fights

Only the raggers do that

[silk thicket]

Plus it doesn’t affect obelisk just jewellery

So war at 50 ports

[merry smelt]

Yeah

[finite tapir]

and ancients tp tabs right

[silk thicket]

Yh

[meager flame]

luckily you'll never look cool with those slippers

crisis averted

[silk thicket]

Wars move from gdz to 50s

Ez

[tender harness]

the easiest way to address pvp in this game is to delete it from orbit.

[hasty shard]

stomaching beginner clues isn't earned?

[finite tapir]

50s is the obelisk near rogues castle right? i'm not too acquainted

[hasty shard]

ye

[weary stag]

Ye

[silk thicket]

Or war at gdz and have a more strategic fight

[finite tapir]

well i mean a) the change would be using two tradeable items

[merry smelt]

That just makes it easier to get crashed tbf

[hasty shard]

if that obelisk didnt exist id be very mad

[meager flame]

im curious about the slayer hood thing though

[silk thicket]

Crashes happen anyway

[finite tapir]

and b) the change is "free"

like you don't have to unlock it

[meager flame]

like if we could add hoods that actually match the capes we would wear with the slayer helm that update could be kinda sick i think

[finite tapir]

as long as you own both items you can make it

[hasty shard]

is it not even via patchy i didnt bother reading

it should 100% be via patchy

[silk thicket]

But I mean I think it’s interesting idea to limit returns so it’s a strategic fight rather than numbers game

[finite tapir]

If this passes, combining Holy Sandals and Mole Slippers may involve a visit to Wyson the gardener in Falador Park, who’ll do what he does best: get mildly confused about moles, then agree to combine them for you.

[silk thicket]

IF in the bin

[meager flame]

but right now im just gonna look like an idiot with a slayer hood on my helmet

and a magic cape of some kind

[hasty shard]

smh

[meager flame]

or whatever

but if they let you put on like idk

[silk thicket]

And if it’s more important to stay alive then ppl might gear a bit tankier which will help wildy health in general

[meager flame]

the infernal max hood or the hood to go with your magic capes and so on

[silk thicket]

Bcos singles ragging is a joke rn

[meager flame]

that would look nice

[hasty shard]

come on man

[finite tapir]

i don't pvp like ever outside of griefing bots/crashers at rogues castle (i have a good reason for this i promise) but it does sorta seem like the way the blog post phrased it, that it would be overall positive

[finite tapir]

riot in fally for 2nd task storage slot

[meager flame]

the problem with it is that the only time this happens at scale in my experience which is dated tbf

[hasty shard]

can they make shellbane not suck

genuinely

[meager flame]

is for clan wars where people weren't running back in rags to begin with

they were just bringing whatever standard sets the clans were using

and now jagex is fucking that up

[silk thicket]

Yeah I think it’ll change how clans war but idk if it’s a bad thing

[meager flame]

im sure someone somewhere has teled back in quick to rag

[hasty shard]

feels like araxxor killtimes to get fucking watermelons 😭

[meager flame]

but i've not seen that a lot

[silk thicket]

Return sets are a thing

[hasty shard]

siiigh i will grind normal griffs

[silk thicket]

Idk I’m open to being wrong for sure ik @merry smelt got actual experience with this and I don’t

[tender harness]

go farm the pet

you coward

[merry smelt]

Yeah proper returns is fully geared and under 40 seconds

[silk thicket]

But from my armchair I’m thinking it’ll change but not ruin things

[merry smelt]

So 2 minutes will feel like an eternity

[meager flame]

the problem i think i see coming is just the uh i guess logistics of it for clans

[finite tapir]

i'm missing something probably, is there a reason you wouldn't like, set ferox respawn and take the obelisk back?

[meager flame]

the longer the return takes the less useful it is so they'll probably start massing up somewhere and kind of just getting fully wiped

[tender harness]

brother thinks herb sack upgrade is magically going to make sarachnis relevant for years to come

[silk thicket]

No reason but it adds ≈30 seconds

[meager flame]

instead of quickly returning

sarachnis actually has kind of a lot of players at it already

[oblique mesa]

Obelisk isn't guarenteed, you can have someone camp it and spam the teleport to other places

[meager flame]

if you go there for clues or to pet hunt you have to hop regularly

[finite tapir]

yea it's ehc for elites iirc

[meager flame]

and bots are present

[oblique mesa]

Same way you can trap people at rogues castle

[merry smelt]

Obelisk in your house

[meager flame]

so when they add that silk and everyone comes back

[faint cloak]

it's mostly bots

[meager flame]

its going to be horrible

to even find a world

[tender harness]

sarachnis is like 95% bots

[weary stag]

They haven't said anything about adding private instances to the clue spider have they?

[tender harness]

dont lie and say its players

[faint cloak]

ironically you don't have to hop much, if you find a world with a bot just go in and the bot leaves

[weary stag]

Which they added to leagues cuz they knew how busy it would be

[meager flame]

they should add instances for it if they do this

[finite tapir]

the post didn't make it sound like the poh obelisk would be restricted

[tender harness]

nope.
so when this inevitably does pass
this will pass with out instances, reddit will complain Jagex and some juncture will add instances

[silk thicket]

Idk, I just hope it’s part of a bigger strategy to combat ragging

[merry smelt]

There are lots of other returns that are faster to locations we fight

Like wilderness crab

[hasty shard]

gryphons arent aggressive??? wtf

[finite tapir]

i presume like annakarl tabs

oh

interesting

[finite tapir]

Finally. Goading potion will be Useful

[merry smelt]

19s obelisk is a long run to venanitis

[hasty shard]

cannon:

[weary stag]

You gotta work for your pay-to-unlock, low weight xp

[finite tapir]

Finally. Goading potion will be Useful For melee Slayer

[meager flame]

tbh kuradel task list size is such a problem

[silk thicket]

Wg is comparatively small clan right?

[tender harness]

I asked around the TOA lobby after having a rather unfortunate death due to Akkha going invisible every few ticks from what me and others can only work out to be related to the eye.
any ToA andies want to go see if akkha breaks if you use ayak

[silk thicket]

I’m curious how it’d impact u guys compared to larger clans

[meager flame]

any time they add something new it just gets worse

[merry smelt]

We usually have 20-30 on a trip

[meager flame]

and then they give them low weights even though you paid to unlock it

[merry smelt]

Advantage larger teams

[meager flame]

and you're just out there turael skipping and being pissed

lmao we need new slayer masters

[merry smelt]

Sometimes you can out return your opponent and win even if down numbers

With this change that won't be as likely

[tender harness]

delete turael skipping from orbit
and make the slayer loop actually healthy

and not degen skipping

[meager flame]

idk why they're holding the line like duradel has to be the final slayer master

[finite tapir]

i almost want to say this seems like a weirdly bandaid-esque fix for something which likely only impacts clans

[weary stag]

The slayer qol was another typical jagex qol

[finite tapir]

i can't imagine this really affecting like, individual players right

[meager flame]

they just keep stacking shit onto the table and it just gets worse every update

[finite tapir]

i can't think of any at least

[silk thicket]

Ye I could see that tbf, unless you were focusing much much better than the larger clan then ur gna get obliterated

[finite tapir]

i'm surprised they didn't have it be something like "if you've been in a clan recently or currently are in one [...]" of sorts

[tender harness]

the qol fix that had a chance to finally break and get rid of turael skipping
only for them to double down on the unfun method

[finite tapir]

i guess you'd just leave the clan ahead of time but

[silk thicket]

Eh you’d be surprised people regularly 1 item rag in multi

[meager flame]

i can handle skipping for the most part

[finite tapir]

ic

[meager flame]

but when they keep adding stuff and the task you want is like 2.5-3.5% chance of getting it

[oblique mesa]

You can group with party hub / fcs / not clans

[meager flame]

its hitting a point where nobody thinks this is good anymore

[silk thicket]

Yh 1 item addy cbow/crystal bow insta return

[merry smelt]

It doesn't happen as much as people are making it out to be

Majority of multi clan fights are in proper gear

[weary stag]

Idk we expect any better this time tbh haha

[finite tapir]

for my fake slayer content i have this laid out

[silk thicket]

Ya that’s why I’m hoping it’s part of a bigger strategy against ragging

[finite tapir]

you can ignore mentions of "modifiers" that doesn't really affect osrs slayer

[silk thicket]

If it’s part 1 of changes so I’m not getting 1 item ragged by 4 diff people then I’m happy

[meager flame]

theres so many things i think they could do better but the bar is so low now

[finite tapir]

this slayer goes to 51 and not 99 so you can just double the req or w/e to get an approx 1:1 (not really but whatever)

[meager flame]

that they could just add another slayer master with fewer tasks on the list

and it would be a massive improvement

[silk thicket]

But as is it doesn’t do all that much

[merry smelt]

My concern is they restrict things with so many rules it doesn't feel like the wildy any more

[weary stag]

Sea gnome island

[merry smelt]

It's meant to be chaos and unpredictable

[silk thicket]

Maybe ppl risk an extra 30k in multi wars and it’s easier to see when ppl are ragging

But idk

[merry smelt]

If you wanna put a ton of restrictions and rules on a fight you just use purple portal in ferox

[meager flame]

i mean they could solve this with a big clan wars overhaul

[silk thicket]

Yeah I feel u on that but there r people who play the game to stop others from playing the game 🤣

[merry smelt]

Typical multi set is 500k-2m

[meager flame]

just make people sign up in there with agreed upon sets and access to your bank to regear with approved items

[silk thicket]

O damn not bad

[meager flame]

set a score limit to win or whatever

[merry smelt]

Sometimes people drop to 250k

[meager flame]

and let people kill each other for the keys etc

[oblique mesa]

Idk this also helps with the weirdos at callisto.

Theres a few unhinged people that just come back nonstop for legit an hour plus in complete rag alone to get you to hop

[silk thicket]

Risk or overall cost

[merry smelt]

Risk

[silk thicket]

Cuz snakeskin bally rag is technically 1.5m

Ahh

Not bad actually

[merry smelt]

There are more clans who wear proper gear than those that don't

[silk thicket]

Yeah ngl even a small group can clean Callisto cave by constantly returning in moonclan

[meager flame]

jagex could also do the smart thing

[finite tapir]

tasks are done slightly differently but i still think the overall sentiment is fine

[meager flame]

and start making those items cost or remove the stats from them

they're 95% of the reason rag setups work

when they put actually okay stats on completely worthless items you could lose 200 of and not care

[silk thicket]

Ig the theme is that it’s hard for an outside party (eg jagex) to distinguish normal gameplay (group pking at Callisto) from ragging Callisto (following a group and insta returning in moonclan)

So the changes are gna affect both

[oblique mesa]

Agreed nerf black dragon hide

[meager flame]

they actually had the right idea when they did that

but didn't apply it to all of the stuff it should've really hit

[silk thicket]

But ig organised wars can be moved to obelisk ports and overall the effect isn’t too bad

Idk

Just

[hasty shard]

lock-on to you makes me think of killerwatt mechanics

[silk thicket]

Stop singles ragging

[hasty shard]

[silk thicket]

Ban ppl for it faster

[merry smelt]

Have they confirmed obelisk in house isn't impacted?

[finite tapir]

it's just this

[meager flame]

i'd assume they forgot it existed if they dont confirm they skipped over it on purpose

[silk thicket]

The list only mentions wildy tabs and wildy jewellery so ig it’ll be fine

[merry smelt]

Hopefully

[silk thicket]

Probs like 15s onto return times

[meager flame]

because it honestly wouldn't make sense to stop everything and allow obelisk

defeating their entire change lol

[merry smelt]

Gonna suck if the only way to return is canoe at Moss giants

[meager flame]

it sounds like they basically want you to tele into ferox and just like

run

or i guess edge to lever etc

[silk thicket]

Nah I think it makes sense bcos clans can organise stuff to happen at ports but ragging mainly happens at tele tab locations

[meager flame]

yeah but then people would just start playing the ports and rag there

[silk thicket]

Yh but if ur going 50s port to rag a Callisto group

It’s not as effective

[silk thicket]

LOL that legit might be fastest to Vetion

That’s hilarious

[merry smelt]

Problem is they are making a change that impacts entire PvP clan community to stop a very very small portion of the community from ragging

[hasty shard]

hold on did they fuck ctrl walk

[merry smelt]

Seems like effort that could be put elsewhere

[hasty shard]

im running if i red click

[meager flame]

i am not

[finite tapir]

idk if you have ever used the canoe

[weary stag]

The animation is so long xD

[finite tapir]

it is unironically a nerf to get 99 wc if you have lumby respawn

because the wc tutor only gives you a bronze axe if you have <99 wc

jagex fix pls

[hasty shard]

why do you know this

[finite tapir]

doesnt everyone know this

[meager flame]

why would some maniac code that

[weary stag]

How funny that they just added a skill into the game where we have boats now they add new canoes that aren't even a boat we can use

[hasty shard]

OH right was talking about this yesterday

[silk thicket]

Only 5% of ironmen know this

[hasty shard]

do you know if the poh skill req bug is fixed

[finite tapir]

which one

[hasty shard]

you could make rune cases with farming level and not rc

giving rc xp

[silk thicket]

Yh I def understand ur pov tbf

[weary stag]

Oh I think I seen that fix mentioned somewhere seph

[silk thicket]

I’d be interested to hear from devs about it

[meager flame]

its one of those like

silly the wilderness is broken problems and players eventually start exploiting it and then jagex is like

but wait

heres a random rule you'd never expect or know about to fix it

[finite tapir]

oh

[meager flame]

lmao they just cant stop adding them

[finite tapir]

no idea

[merry smelt]

Yeah I just wanted to make sure they heard the impacts of it. At the end of the day if they do this we will adapt but it's miss guided changes and my concern is they continue to make changes that impact PvP clans without speaking to us

[hasty shard]

i dont have an account to test

[finite tapir]

it's funny bc i'm not sure how that bug would even be possible unless the dev was thinking of a different word vs what they typed

[meager flame]

idk how the structure works but it might be something like x references something in a specific location

[hasty shard]

i think its to do with sailing + poh refactor

[finite tapir]

like i can understand why a boss might have 1/1000 vs 1/1001

[brisk hill]

@cedar mesa

[finite tapir]

bc like

[brisk hill]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-star-wars-obi-wan-gif-10973435

[slender crypt]

I wonder if we can get a gem bag upgrade in addition to the herb sack upgrade. The gem bag upgrade would i clude the semi-precious gems (opals, jades, red-topaz), especially useful with these gems being added to opulent salvage

[meager flame]

and when they added something in that location and it shuffled the list or whatever

it was then referencing a different construction spot or whatever

[finite tapir]

i can see why a new or unfocused dev would get confused between random() and randominc()

[glad owl]

Hey I just started old school playing last month, how do I vote in the poll?

[silk thicket]

There should be a poll booth in most banks

[hasty shard]

im assuming its inc for increment and not inchworm

[slender crypt]

This poll hasn't been released yet, expected to hit the game on Tuesday. You can visit most banks and click on the poll booth

[glass fog]

So wait is the wilderness multi teleporting change live in game without being polled?

[merry smelt]

I see we aren't the only ones not happy about the changes

[brisk hill]

Not yet

[brisk hill]

[glad owl]

Thanks! Was checking there and was confused.

[finite tapir]

random(x) rolls 0 to x-1 and randominc(x) rolls 0 to x

[hasty shard]

i was praying entirely wrong for about 35 griffins hm

ic

[glad owl]

Are you able to add notes to polls? Like you agree with an update but feel it just needs a slight balance modification?

[brisk hill]

What’s unfortunate is most of the game is clueless how this won’t help the issue at all

They all just collection log gamers lol

[finite tapir]

random(10) < n would be an n/10 chance to be true

[merry smelt]

Mhmm

[finite tapir]

whereas randominc(10) < n would be n/11

[slender crypt]

Not atm, I think they might add that capability in future polls. They're experimenting with a new poll system atm

[finite tapir]

i believe the main use of randominc for a while was just max hit p much

[tender harness]

Pass the holy moleys only if they give -30 prayer and actively drain prayer while wearing

[hasty shard]

bis for diary tasks

[true talon]

Nice update, i would suggest adding a GEM bag expansion to the herb sack idea. because currently gem bag cant store any gems from below sapphire

[weary stag]

Tbh a second item for the cryptic clue step that requires negative prayer bonus would be kinda cool xD

Inb4 ancient sceptre is the 2nd item

"kinda" is doing a lot of lifting in that sentence tho xD

[brisk hill]

Nice update. I would suggest not encouraging people to die fast & return to wild (ragging lol) by limiting teleporting for people who are skulled

[true talon]

This hurts other players, i think their proposal is good. i didnt even know multi-fights still happen lol

[weary stag]

remember a little while ago they qol's herb drops to be unnoted so the herb sack gained relevance but they never even bothered to do all the noted herb drops lol

[brisk hill]

I think it’s shortsighted & ignorant

[tender harness]

I agree holey moleys are shortsighted and ignorant
so lets give chivalry to 1 defence pures

[glass fog]

We already have clan wars for definitive outcomes….. who is it hurting is clans rag war each other for days?

[silk thicket]

I dont see why they couldn’t add it to singles. The only legitimate case someone should be insta returning in singles is double death. Just clear the restriction if you get a kill +- 10s of dying in singles

[shadow wave]

Honestly based they should force log you out for 20 minutes if you get killed while skulled in wildy

[brisk hill]

LOL?

Stick to slayer tasks fella

Ty

[true talon]

they should add it to singles as well tbh, to prevent ragging. i believe the singles limitation is due to pvp worlds and how fast GE fights are.

[silk thicket]

It doesn’t effect non wildy teles

[brisk hill]

This actually encourages 4 item unskull ragging

[silk thicket]

So ppl can tele ge fine

[brisk hill]

You’re a noob if you believe otherwise

[silk thicket]

Unskull ragging in multi wars?

[brisk hill]

Ye

Are you new?

[silk thicket]

Bruh

I asked u to clarify

[true talon]

he means unskulled people returning and standing in barrage piles

[silk thicket]

What u meant

I sgree tho

[true talon]

or chin stacks

[silk thicket]

That’s kinda grim

[brisk hill]

Yeah I’m asking if you are new fella I can explain

[silk thicket]

Yh im not a multi pker

[brisk hill]

It only encourages 4 item unskull

If I = can’t tell bc I hit you

[merry smelt]

They could just add a 100k payment to enter wildy or something if they are that concerned with raggers

[brisk hill]

You = don’t skull

[true talon]

Multi-pk is dead anyways

[silk thicket]

Ye that’d be annoying

Have to admit

[brisk hill]

Ye or make it dependent on your risk

[merry smelt]

Mhmm

[silk thicket]

Unskull pk prevention option when

[true talon]

once the venezuleans retire, what large group in multi is there to even fight

[silk thicket]

Stop u hitting unskullers

LOL

[brisk hill]

RoT

[merry smelt]

Either risk it or you lose it from bank

[brisk hill]

Fight me

[true talon]

they were deleted out this game

[brisk hill]

?

Hello

[merry smelt]

?

[tender harness]

okay hear me out:
bring back multi revs
but if you die at multi revs your entire bank is emptied you are auto logged out for 20 minutes and a scripted reddit post is dropped from you asking for wilderness to be removed

[merry smelt]

There are lots of clans that fight in wildy

[brisk hill]

They need to make it dependent on risk while skulled

Or just risk in general

[merry smelt]

Yeah this timer thing doesn't fix things

[hasty shard]

i very much want the stuff from that wildy game jam

minus wrathmaw

why tf was that the one thing that made it out

[tender harness]

instructions unclear
added wrathmaw in an unpolled change

[hasty shard]

i like how we have lava strykewyrms but not actual strykewyrms

[tender harness]

dont give them ideas

jungle strykewyrms and deserts

no thanks

[winged mantle]

Party room strykewyrms

[glass fog]

I’m assuming 100s of players teleporting over and over in the same location is causing back end server issues. Why else would the implement a change so big that no one asked for without a poll. A rag war effects no one in game other than the clans willing participating..

[brisk hill]

There’s other uses where the change is intended to be good that aren’t just a multi rag war lol.

What it does though is encourages people to unskull in multi wars

[glass fog]

Sunday wars have been a thing in game for the last 5 years and they just killed it with no warning

[brisk hill]

Longer than that

[merry smelt]

Would it really be impacting their servers that bad that they need to add a 2 minute timer

But it does seem like no PvP clans were consulted for feedback before adding this update. You can tell it wasn't put together by someone with experience in PvP clan fights.

[glass fog]

I mean this was never mentioned or polled. They just changed it.

[brisk hill]

Changes aren’t live so you are kinda freaking out imo

There’s time!

[glass fog]

I’m assuming the recent rag war that went on for like a week with world 320 is what brought this change

[brisk hill]

My brother did you play during multi revs?

[glass fog]

I mean it wasn’t a poll question so they are fully intending to implement it unless people freak out lol

[brisk hill]

Agree but there’s still time to change their mind imo

[glass fog]

Revs was a high profit area. People waring at gdz are controlling a pvm area

[merry smelt]

Yeah I mean that's why we are in here giving feedback

[brisk hill]

It’s moreso about your comment how a rag would cause server issues on their end. For a year Jagex had a single hotspot (revs) spread accross all worlds. One world with 65 people mass returning it is nothing lol

[glass fog]

Oh I gotcha

[merry smelt]

Yeah I mean Odas maxing party would have caused more server lag than that rag war

[glass fog]

Idk tho it just doesn’t make sense that they would care unless someone in the office was just like “I don’t like the way those people are playing the game”

[brisk hill]

Hey @cedar mesa

Good discourse here from a few multi clanners

[glass fog]

@cedar mesa please don’t let them kill sunday wars

[woeful kettle]

holy moly bis

[restive storm]

how after a full year of literally 0 pvp updates, their first idea for an update is stopping clans from warring each other makes no sense whatsoever

they REALLY want the wildy gone lol

[brisk hill]

Just make it optional at this point. It’s worked out so well for RS3 hahah lol …..

[wise cloud]

I'd love if the herb sack update went on a different monster or was tied to a different method like skilling especially since it's untradeable. I don't see why we need to add an untradeable drop to a boss who isn't instanced. Feels more appropriate to tie the update to skilling maybe a lower level sailing monster drop? We're already weaving sails feels like a solid tie in.

[merry smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

Don't make me relive those days

[brisk hill]

Gg

Back to craters everyone lol

[winged mantle]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1437297885925478502

[limpid dock]

Big agree here. I don't mind it coming from a boss vs skilling, but Sarachnis is already crowded... If we send everyone back there at the same time it's going to be a nightmare.

[true talon]

@cedar mesa I know you work mostly on the wildy and pvp stuff, can you make a suggestion to add a GEM bag expansion to the herb question, because it currently cant hold gems below sapphire and updating it to hold all gems would make it a lot more useful.

[brisk hill]

When you say wildy & PvP stuff, do you mean the 1 update we’ve gotten in a year?

[nocturne solstice]

Boy do i have news for you about a new wildy update coming up

[merry smelt]

@carmine ferry can we get an acknowledgement that Jmods see the feedback here regarding wilderness teleports . I understand you probably don't have much you can give us at this moment but it's important we know our feedback is being heard and forwarded to the right people.

[nocturne solstice]

Okay this is getting into mod ping spamming territory

Y'all cut that out

[restive storm]

they just cant help themselves but make everything worse everytime they try to touch it

[hasty shard]

wildy players what do you expect xdd

[merry smelt]

🫡

[restive storm]

maybe one day we'll get a wildy feedback channel to rival the 19 mobile feedback channels 😭

[merry smelt]

Wouldn't that be nice

[nocturne solstice]

It's better (for me) but worse for the people who are not me

[chilly swan]

and mobile still aint getting updates either lmao

[brisk hill]

3 @‘s in 25 minutes from 3 different people addressing 3 different topics = spam

[glass fog]

Feels shady that they buried it 3/4 down on a very long update blog

[brisk hill]

Gf we are toast.

[nocturne solstice]

That was a lie, I already have 99 prayer and elite wildy diary so I dont go there anymore

[restive storm]

i fail to see how the proposed update makes it better for you, unless you're in like a hider multi clan that doesnt really want fights lol

otherwise i guess it griefs people trying to pk at multi bosses? thats about it

[harsh shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/uB4wtMOUsw

[nocturne solstice]

Curious

[merry smelt]

I just figured Mod Rach might actually see the comments

[weary stag]

It's so great that they update on cesspit reddit instead of their own website

[restive storm]

not to mention multi bosses already suck so bad to pk at i barely do it as is, now having to afk for 2 minute before going back there is just hilariously out of touch

[glass fog]

The update makes so that the bigger clan always wins ….

[merry smelt]

It's bad for them as well

[brisk hill]

Can’t wait to get smoked on my way to 30 line by chip damage from 47 npc’s in the escape caves 😭

[merry smelt]

Otherwise teal wouldn't be in here saying as such

[restive storm]

yeah its literally bad across the board, im just kiinda stumped how they even came up w/ the idea

[true talon]

Nice atleast its on the radar

[restive storm]

cuz they dont go to the wildy so like how was this even on their radar as an idea lol

[nocturne solstice]

Nah that's fine, but I'm seeing Manked get tagged 3 times and now Rach. I don't want this to become a "thing" where people here just start spam pinging mods.

[glass fog]

70 vs 100 can not win a multi war without returns

[brisk hill]

I don’t think my views necessarily reflect RoT’s. I just know it’s not good lol

But

Maybe if RoT says it is good

It won’t be implemented

[merry smelt]

Yeah I understand the politics of it lol

[restive storm]

they gotta come outta the woodwork and do gods work at this point

i do wonder like, at this point what even IS the best venue to give them wildy feedback

cuz mods dont read this discord, is it just like reddit?

are they still on bluesky?

[brisk hill]

There was a PvP discussion server that got closed just under 2 years ago

[brave hearth]

reddit has been mentioned the most in podcasts so I'd go there

[silk thicket]

I think they do read it tbf

[restive storm]

yeah i been asking for a new once ever since they closed that one down 🙁 or just a channel in here

[merry smelt]

Channel in here would be fine

[silk thicket]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1022203837265756231
re buying thread from perdu was made here and it was implemented

There’s probs a bunch of changes they’ve implemented but I haven’t searched

[restive storm]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1420260286929047654 pls support here, we been asking for months and theyre still "discussing"

[merry smelt]

Can we get arkan blade added

[brisk hill]

I asked for rev totems to be exchanged for ether on twitter, but that was directly asked to mod ash & it took 2.5 years to implement

Hopefully they read

[restive storm]

wild that this was our 1 wildy change for the year

and it was just to make ironmemes lives easier

[brisk hill]

Ye l0”

[true talon]

this doesnt do anything for ironmen lol

[brisk hill]

It does lol

[true talon]

it doesnt

[silk thicket]

Upkeeping ether on weapons is easier

[restive storm]

it literally makes them have to do revs less for ether so they can use weapons more often what do you mean

[glass fog]

A novel of an update blog and unpolled wildy change is gona be the main talking point

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[true talon]

oh nvm you meant the rev totem change

i thought you meant the multi teleport change

ya rev totem change helped ether problems

[restive storm]

oh no not that, that one quite liiterally is outta left field that nobody wants/asked for INCLUDING even the ironmen (with the one caveat that multi bosses are harder to hit now) so maybe that was for them after all now too

[true talon]

Woulda rather seen GP used as the power for the rev weps so that part of it could be deleted with portion returned to the pker

500k to activate it, 350k to kill

[restive storm]

eh, lame that the wildy is the only real sink in the game, start adding sinks to other stuff (ge tax to 10%)

[small anvil]

Of course tass wants things to be made easier for irons

[nocturne solstice]

id rather it not be money tbh, it being an item means GE tax or whatever

[small anvil]

Ether as a source of risk is fine

It gives ether value

[nocturne solstice]

It being money is just wildy printing even more straight money into the game

[small anvil]

Cuz it's constantly used up

[restive storm]

yeah gp as a power is kinda a crazy take

[nocturne solstice]

I also like it thematically of wildy weapons needing wildy content to charge

[true talon]

ether is just GP it has a alch value

[small anvil]

They already made it so you can break totems for either

[true talon]

you can sell it to shop

[restive storm]

ether is ether

[nocturne solstice]

nuh uh, ether is 177gp and HA of 150

[restive storm]

it is obtained from revs, gp is obtained anywhere

[limpid dock]

as an ironmeme, it makes perfect sense that we need to go back to revs to upkeep rev weapons

[small anvil]

Typical tass take

[true talon]

If you use ether then you are losing 150 gp per charge

its same

[small anvil]

Can you buy ether with your gp

[restive storm]

so dragon arrows are also just gp?

and we should charge our tbows with gp

[nocturne solstice]

Nuh uh its a net neutral

[limpid dock]

the cost is the same, but acquiring it isn't

[small anvil]

Go deiron tass

It'll solve so many problems you complain about

[nocturne solstice]

Either you earn it so you go up 150 then down 150 or you buy it so you go down 150

[restive storm]

does that not just sound boring? lol

[minor whale]

Tass just wants everything in the game to be purchaseable by irons so he doesn't have to grind resources

Zulrah scales are just gp might as well get rid of them

Darrows too tbf tbh tbqh

[restive storm]

no more runes either, spells are cast with gp

[true talon]

I didnt say charge the wep

i said activate

currently its 1000 ether to even use the wep + your charges

[winged mantle]

Why so hostile to tass

[small anvil]

Yes that's baseline risk

[brisk hill]

Hi

[minor whale]

I mean a majority of the risk of ether comes from the activation fee always being lost

[true talon]

its a waste of 1k ether risk to an ironman which is not cost to a main

[restive storm]

yeah and it gets dropped to the pker if you die, why would we just make things worse?

[small anvil]

Cuz they constantly make nonsensical claims

[brisk hill]

No one cares about rev ether changes we are talking about terrible pvp tele changes

Refocus!

[restive storm]

to an ironmeme

[true talon]

My proposal was make them activated with higher GP cost to increase the risk of using them

[winged mantle]

Keep it topical and not personal

[restive storm]

just dont play iron or dont use rev weps on iron then

[silk thicket]

Yo I legit came up with the solution to the wildy change

No cap

[nocturne solstice]

Whats your solution

[true talon]

idc about using rev wep on my iron, i kill 10k+ revs for bracelets whenever i run out.

[minor whale]

His takes are always "Ironman have to do too much grinding please give us an infinite shop form"

It's not hostile to say those takes aren't good or even considered by JMods

[nocturne solstice]

is it, "Dont do it"?

[silk thicket]

No

[nocturne solstice]

Okay good

i have hope

[restive storm]

casual irons killing the game as usual 🙁

[minor whale]

Sometimes Tass has good suggestions (breaking down totems is thematic and rewarding for irons while being not done by mains)

[winged mantle]

That's fair but the framing of "typical tass" or whatever is unsavoury and not objective

[silk thicket]

Instead of the multi combat restriction make it a risk restriction
If u die for less than 100k gp when skulled and you attacked another player u get restricted