how do they triple check those people and still get it wrong
#game-update
meager flame
true talon
Again this game has operated for 20 years with no customer support.
true talon
how do they triple check those people and *still* get it wrong
Incompetence on the different layers
meager flame
and then they go actually talk to the anticheat guy and they're like oh yeah it was wrong here and they're unbanned in 15 mins
hard axle
Yeah, 500k bots or something, but even a 0.02% false ban is taking out 100 actual players unfairly 
meager flame
it makes it really obvious that real people dont check appeals
true talon
Because streamers have strong evidence to support their claims with video recordings
But most normal players don’t record everything
meager flame
and the youtube video guys that just send them messages and no footage?
lol it sucks to say but they're not checking those appeals or they have actual bums doing it
true talon
You don’t k ow what they sent. But it’s unlikely they just talk to a jmod and get unbanned
meager flame
one of them just made a video about the whole process actually
where he even makes more new accounts and gets banned again and tries to solve it as a regular player etc
laughs about it because he can just contact them when its over
true talon
lol it sucks to say but they're not checking those appeals or they have actual b...
If you ever worked a ticketing system then yea you have people who are in 3rd world counties who barely speak the language looking over your appeal.
That’s just the nature of customer support.
meager flame
you've just gotta think though
if this guy can spend a few hours making a new account and get it banned 2/3 times
how often are actual new players just getting yeeted and never coming back
hard axle
how often are actual new players just getting yeeted and never coming back
that's why it should be encouraged and reviewed if you actually have membs vs bonds 
I'd wager that majority of folks on membs (especially annual subscriptions) are playing legitimately, but bonds/f2p are more suspect because easier to rwt/access
idle rapids
If they focused like that, bot makers would easily find out and could switch to membership instead
Buying membership is barely more expensive than RWT bonds in several countries, for example in Brazil a 1 month members is about $6 USD, and that also avoids them trading on black market gold to their new accts and raising red flags
So I do think its best all accounts are under the same scrutiny
hard axle
If they focused like that, bot makers would easily find out and could switch to ...
They don't have to announce it per se, but reviews should absolutely be more strict on the cheaper membership options because they're higher risk.
It's like saying F2P shouldn't be more scrutinized despite birthing a lot of accounts that train, survive the purge, and then get bonded after 70+ combats to be used in P2P
idle rapids
They don't have to announce it per se, but reviews should absolutely be more str...
I'm just not a huge fan of "oh you're playing via bonds? Now you have higher chance of false ban" most end gamers play via bonds so it would kinda suck. Ultimately every account can just be reviewed thru the same mechanism I don't think they have a bottleneck for the AI that's checking everyones gameplay
Maybe that could come into play if there's some stage of manual review for macro bans but im doubtful that ever happens until the appeal stage
hard axle
Even when it comes to bonds, there's a inherent and stronger risk of botting at 1 bond used versus 20 bonds used
Cuz hearing dudes that got banned after 20k hours put in is depressing
idle rapids
I use 1 bond at a time as an end gamer 
hard axle
but the artio bot with 20k kc running 24/7 ain't
idle rapids
but the artio bot with 20k kc running 24/7 ain't
I feel like leaderboard anomolies like this are either hand written scripts that are near undetectable or it's just some1 gold farming who hasn't broken any rules
Like u can't even tell if its actually a bot or not just by peeping the stats since it could be gold farmer
hard axle
ban, unban, ban, unban,
idle rapids
Sometimes it is obvious the bots at rlly high level tho like at priff elves when they just insta log
hard axle
that's the only way u get to 20k unless u leave anti-cheat off for 6 months
hard axle
yes
idle rapids
First I've heard of that theory but it could be
hard axle
in 2023, rank 1-3 got banned unbanned several times just fyi
idle rapids
I know some people get their accs back legit from hackers and have a ton of random stats or kc
hard axle
and now the "original" owner isn't botting anymore
that's why u got plenty of folks who recover their accounts and have an oddball 3k cg kc
tacit wharf
Like u can't even tell if its actually a bot or not just by peeping the stats si...
honestly, gold farmers are no different than botters to me, ban all them v's
eager swan
I'd instantly sacrifice f2p if we'd get hcuim in its place
narrow folio
Same with gold buyers
small anvil
that's why u got plenty of folks who recover their accounts and have an oddball ...
literally my account
i did like 5 of these
small anvil
I quit like 6 years ago and my account got compromised then banned while I was not playing
It was used as a cg bot obviously
round lintel
round lintel
Orcas have tooo much xp
tight escarp
ember token
i saw that and just glazed over it, seen so many player designed island ideas that are just agility
this is probably my favorite atm https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1pq1rtq/the_ruins_of_kuriskia_player_designed_island/
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1pp1qbe/the_sunken_citadel_sailing_island_submission/ zigzagzigal's maps and ideas are always good too
meager flame
Idk what they’re even gonna do about player designed islands lol
I’ve seen so many of them that are better than anything jagex actually put out with sailing that it’s just insane
Idk how they pick just one with this many ideas and people more focused on something fun/useful/relevant than jagex was
Kinda feels like it should just be player designed island every 2 months
Usually it’s like players have a cool idea they all rally behind but the jagex stuff is also good
Rn they’re just getting torched by tons of random ppl on the internet
Like there are so many random island suggestions where it’s got a moderately interesting quest concept and then believe it or not a reason to actually go to the island from mining or agility activities to new crewmates and so on
It just highlights what islands are probably supposed to be and the contrast with our filler islands with nothing on them in game is kind of insane
hasty shard
what gets me is the conch being so massive and theres kind of fuck all to do there
theres even a whole section you just arent allowed in
fresh forge
There’s gone be some “we can put this in but it’ll take 6 months” comments on them I imagine
And there are some that are wildly unbalanced ofc
true talon
Rn they’re just getting torched by tons of random ppl on the internet
actually this is were jagex excels and is the reason their game is so good and successful.
most devs ignore players and force their ideas into the game and tell you this is how it is.
Jagex actually reaches out to the entire player base across the world to brainstorm idea's and then consolidates the best ones to be voted on.
its why they pitch an idea an then players instantly improve it.
if more games did this, they would be way better, just to name one WOW would be much better if the devs cared about player feedback an ideas.
hard axle
most devs ignore players and force their ideas into the game and tell you this i...
The problem taht Turkey is pointing out is that many of the ideas is just ezscape trash 
We have so much open space on existing islands that have zero purpose because they're annoying to get to, or just so inconsequential that people don't visit after doing 1-2 tasks nearby
chrome lantern
theres even a whole section you just arent allowed in
That part will almost definitely follow with Red Reef quest though surely
chrome lantern
We have so much open space on existing islands that have zero purpose because th...
The schematics were one of the laziest decisions in a while for making islands “relevant”
hard axle
The schematics were one of the laziest decisions in a while for making islands “...
Like holy hell, just throw a new bursting spot at a high level sailing area
fk sakes man
Is there even islands worth parking your 4th and 5th ships on as a teleport
ionic tartan
The Mutated Bloodvelds in Buccaneer's Lab (https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Buccaneers'_Laboratory) are nice.
bronze kernel
The schematics were one of the laziest decisions in a while for making islands “...
They should just remove all Sailing requirements from Mooring at pre-existing areas. Save Sailing levels for unlocking actual new areas. Instead of ones that already had access previously. That feels like it was nothing more than filler content to pad the level up table.
hasty shard
most devs ignore players and force their ideas into the game and tell you this i...
most of the time
then theres stuff like verzik mage def calc
bronze kernel
You know, I swear. Some islands were almost made specifically for snowflake accounts in mind
bronze kernel
All of the islands that just have nothing but lower level Hunter creatures
And in the bumfuck middle of nowhere
chrome lantern
All of the islands that just have nothing but lower level Hunter creatures
I think the intent was probably closer to like… Hunter rumors w/ Teleport to Boat, in an era before they decided it would need a Bottled Storm
Remember the initial proposal for Ancient Forge was that you would teleport to your boat, not use a Fairy Ring
Then likely they realized that just meant the Ancient Forge wouldn’t be used at all because anyone affording a Bottled Storm isn’t making cballs
bronze kernel
The teleport to boat thing makes sense. But that's so deep into the Sailing progression ladder
chrome lantern
But yes I do think there’s likely a high amount of catering and specific design for restricted accounts
bronze kernel
The only good Hunter spots for Rumors are Chinchompa Island and Charred Isle
chrome lantern
The teleport to boat thing makes sense. But that's so deep into the Sailing prog...
The 75-Sailing facility, that takes 78 to access the creatures, that will take you to 90s just trying to go on rate for one using a cannon
Yeah those are the ones I was thinking of
bronze kernel
I was very disappointed with all of the dud islands
Isle of Bones. Oooo. This sounds cool
Reality is just 5 low level skeletons
Not even a special variant either with a unique drop table
chrome lantern
Dognose: Elkhorn frags and stuff for snowflakes (see Settled looting 138 gp)
Onyx Crest: 100% dead content
Tear of Soul: Renaming that didn’t need to be locked behind 61 Sailing, nothing else of note
Isle of Bones: Nothing
Charred Isle: Wyrms that are almost relevant because of Sailing specifically, but when you get to the level to actually use the upgrades you can just lill Frost Dragons.
Crown Jewel: Rainbow crab paste, Pillar frags
Crab Island: Idk clue and squids (dead content) or something
Sunbleak: Ironwood
Vatrachos: Duplicate of Elkhorn chest on Dognose
Chinchompa: Chins, but awful to get to
Laguna A: Kurasks I guess, squid (dead content)
Shimmering atoll: Duplicate of Pillar frag chest
Rosewood island
Aquanite island
Umbral frag island
Frost dragon island
Some more that are completely irrelevant
bronze kernel
Onyx Crest I wouldn't say is 100% dead. Since it's probably the better lantern harpoon spot being close to a bank.
hard axle
All of the islands that just have nothing but lower level Hunter creatures
it's literally
the same problem with bounty tasks
they're so fucking out of the way that the XP rates are so low
and impacted by it
bronze kernel
Ship combat is awful too
Even killing a Tern which is your first one feels like an absolute uphill battle
hard axle
if they would stop fucking nerfing ship combat for one fucking week, that would be good
hard axle
Even killing a Tern which is your first one feels like an absolute uphill battle
yeah, especially if ur a low level
since ur ranged level impacts
bronze kernel
We need more combat oriented facilities
Like the ability to replace the flag on the top of our masts with a crystal that shoots magic blasts. Or something
hard axle
Like the ability to replace the flag on the top of our masts with a crystal that...
hear me out
spike towers
its all around the ship, AOE
bronze kernel
Speaking of which, I find it comical they gave certain sea creatures magic weakness. But no weapons you can equip on the boat that deal magical damage
hard axle
Speaking of which, I find it comical they gave certain sea creatures magic weakn...
poorly balanced ngl
all of them are by default are like that
elfin jewel
Would it be possible to add a loot option to zulrah for scales only, similar to how other bosses have the increased pet rate looting options?
obsidian venture
Wouldn’t make sense as it’s literally for pets (shit mechanics imo). Fishing also exists if you want scales
hasty shard
Wouldn’t make sense as it’s literally for pets (shit mechanics imo). Fishing als...
wait until you hear about [[dessicated page]]
ornate wolfBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Desiccated_page
small anvil
Zulrah gives scales every kill anyway, destroy for scales sounds dumb
And like the unique can also be destroyed for scales
hard axle
wait until you hear about [[dessicated page]]
Them desiccated pages are dogwater addition and despite it existing, Jagex won’t allow Elemental Weakness as meta for any bosses
idle rapids
wait until you hear about [[dessicated page]]
you get 50 exp per page and they're stackable? 😮 bankable 99 RC pog
I can only imagine how expensive those would be if tradable
narrow folio
Have zulrah weapon in the inventory auto charge on kill 💪
bronze kernel
Them desiccated pages are dogwater addition and despite it existing, Jagex won’t...
Just let the Dagganoth Mother be a repeatable boss. Easy peasy.
meager flame
Like holy hell, just throw a new bursting spot at a high level sailing area <:er...
ya like the biggest thing that it really highlights is that the islands we do have
are almost completely useless
where every suggestion is trying to actually address the thing that should matter most when jagex is making an island
and that is "why are we even going to this island?"
and if you cant answer that for like almost every island in the game theres a fucking problem lmao
if i were guessing jagex would probably just answer that and say "we need space to put ideas when we have them" more or less basically saying they're a canvas to do things with later
but i think its a more fundamental problem than that
because the point of sailing is to go places and if theres nowhere worth going theres no reason to sail other than number go up
or in my case to have my max cape back
and now that the launch craze is dying down and people are back to mostly doing their normal thing its getting more obvious that there isn't really much reason to have the skill atm
true talon
Point is thwy can’t have the skill be done on release, it needs to be in the game and add to it in the future which it can
I think the release was good and they have n open pathway to improve and add more to the game
analog crow
For the launch they mostly cared about the core skill mechanics
Integration will come with time
analog crow
Yes
Can only assume more sources will come later
Bis combat equipment coming exclusively from afk skilling activity doesn’t make sense so I assume it’s not the long term plan
meager flame
Point is thwy can’t have the skill be done on release, it needs to be in the gam...
theres a huge difference between being done and offering just about nothing though
i dont think you would call any skill in osrs done currently
meager flame
yeah but then you're just gonna think of a new item to add to the game and its gonna be crafted
its just kinda how it goes
small anvil
I mean sure but that's not a skill overhaul or anything
meager flame
theres never an end point
small anvil
Sailing is kinda like smithing rn, levels without that much content imo
meager flame
like i personally think with sailing
they just held back when they should've made like
small anvil
Which is fine
small anvil
I'm fine with end game coming after people have time to reach the levels of end game
analog crow
Sailing is kinda like smithing rn, levels without that much content imo
It’s also like smithing in how they’ve saturated the level scale at release leaving no room for future high level unlocks
small anvil
But I do think there should be a content release in a month
They don't need to cater to the people rushing 99 to get 99
meager flame
jagex is kinda forgetting who they're dealing with a bit lol
small anvil
Those people will go for 99 because they want the cape or whatever
small anvil
End game content for a skill is kinda an incentive for people to reach for the higher levels
meager flame
its not like they're gonna sit around and it will take the player base time to progress
their top end is crazy
small anvil
People who need no incentive and will get 99 anyway
analog crow
Top end is also tiny
small anvil
Will get it anyway
meager flame
yeah but its always tiny
which is why i was saying they probably should've made 1 thing
rather than having a huge focus
they just did nothing
which is kinda
not great
small anvil
High sailing islands you wanna go to cuz they're good for smth is just smth they'll release later
(and it'll be like 70 req or smth 💀 )
analog crow
I think dragon equipment and rosewood should have been 60-70 unlocks
small anvil
What's the highest req for a skill that they've done outside of slayer
For newer content
analog crow
What's the highest req for a skill that they've done outside of slayer
95 fm for urium?
meager flame
i think jagex pretty consistently underestimates their higher level players for some reason
which is weird because they know how good they can be when it comes to like
a boss fight
but then they turn around and try to make sure the reqs for the best of the best are kind of lower like they can't ask these freaks to get 99 in anything in 3 weeks
lmao
idk what they're doing sometimes
small anvil
They give quest skill reqs ahead of time so people can try to get it
Before the release
Jagex when releasing new content is gonna aim for broad engagement
meager flame
ya its just when they don't aim certain things at the lower end
they still set the reqs like they are doing that
analog crow
I’d rather they didn’t waste their limited dev time on 99 lvl stuff honestly
hard axle
and that is "why are we even going to this island?"
We literally told pro-sailing folks that were being brainless about this about how you won't want to sail everywhere post-99, and they're like "we will if it's fun".
As if these 0 foresight folks are walking from region to region instead teleporting or crying for closer teleports
I'm okay with Bottled Storm, but there's just not enough boats to be able to port to each island even if you wanted to...
meager flame
ya i told people before it came out after we finished the blogs
that it was going to release and just be pointless nearly
and they really didn't like hearing that
and i wanted sailing lol its just
if the content isnt there then it isnt there
hard axle
Inherently, sailing doesn't solve anything, it just adds more of a problem to "solve"
I'm hoping they add a combination of higher level quest + actual good rewards
small anvil
It just increases distances
hard axle
on specific islands
small anvil
Some areas they need to not let you park boat at if they want people sailing there
small anvil
Or the content has to be done on boat
You're not just gonna cruise around for the heck of it (trawling is an exception and imo well designed)
hard axle
there was a reason why land bounty tasks was so popular 
specifically ospreys and krakens
meager flame
i cant get over the sailing combat ngl
hard axle
and trolls
meager flame
i like the concept but like
meager flame
the actual practice of using your cannons and shit is just like
hasty shard
double cannoning is aids
meager flame
in an unbelievable state
hasty shard
its like if flicking actually gave a dps boost
meager flame
the bots do be going hard
hasty shard
😭
small anvil
I'm guessing it's bots
hard axle
waystones btw
FUCK
hasty shard
why are bots spending 400k gp on them
hard axle
so what ur saying is...
meager flame
because bots dont fail
hard axle
I should have held
small anvil
Because they're programmed to just do things
hasty shard
noted
hard axle
meager flame
they just slam a million waves per teleport
small anvil
Without looking at the price
small anvil
they just slam a million waves per teleport
Nah they'd be going net positive on TPS in that case
meager flame
thats why the bots have 5k deep delves
so their time is wasted by not teleporting in easily
small anvil
The price is going up cuz they're just programmed to buy and go
meager flame
i also think
small anvil
The price going up means bots are net consumers by a lot
And it's still worth using cuz of uniques
small anvil
I doubt the bots are doing perfect kills
meager flame
idk if jagex even knows this
bc it might be the gpu plugin etc
but there is something actually wrong down there if you run in manually
and they might be teleporting in to skip over that
bc it can cause weird things with your graphics driver
and idk what would happen if you ran like
50 accounts through there
hasty shard
gpu tax
small anvil
That would be funny
hard axle
small anvil
Dex being up so much
I feel may be related
But ya, I'm p sure it's bot demand on the TPS that's pressuring it so high
Maybe bots are doing suicide runs who know
meager flame
nah the real people do the suicide runs
almost exclusively probably lol
but the bots cash out almost every time i'd guess
and likely also go way deeper on average
small anvil
If they cashed out prices on TPS wouldn't go up this high
The rate on the tp isn't that low
They would avg profit tps
meager flame
yeah but theres still way more of us than the bots i think
meager flame
maybe like a minute
meager flame
but yeah idk i think my pc might go crazy if i ran a bunch of accounts in manually
small anvil
Which is complexity
meager flame
im kinda tempted to go in there and try to figure it out
you can tell its something not great though bc like
you can be watching youtube on another monitor when you go in manually
hard axle
The rate on the tp isn't that low
yeah you should be getting 1.1 waystone per wave 1-8 run on average
meager flame
so you can tell something is actually broken
i just dunno if it was runelite or jagex
hard axle
due to how low it is, I wouldn't be surprised if it was that manipulable
meager flame
or i guess a combination
hard axle
idr how many I stocked up in anticipation of CAs, but i made a killing 
meager flame
im just worried i'd go down there and start playing with stuff and get myself banned somehow messing with the client
probably need to look into what you need to do for a dev version of runelite whatever they call that
im assuming it exists
hasty shard
when are we getting an upgrade that lets us use item teleports without taking up an invent slot 
something like a fortune cookie or just fuckin drop -> right click on ground
like even if i wanted to use waystones that is -1 food
cringe
meager flame
i mean we have dj khaled just add two chainz and let us wear two necklaces after talking to him
hasty shard
real
meager flame
im actually a little surprised we haven't added any equipment slots for real though
like the utility ring slot or whatever people talk about sometimes
austere mulch
Jus give 60 scythe max on salve ty
small anvil
yeah you should be getting 1.1 waystone per wave 1-8 run on average
Yeah so if we think bots are the ones using up TPS causing the price to go up, either they're not finishing 1-8, or they're going until item/death
meager flame
i've never actually watched a doom bot though
im not sure how hard they're going trying to flick etc
if they're like giga bots like the lms terminators
they probably go way further than 16
hard axle
Jus give 60 scythe max on salve ty
jagex if melee getting 3 max hits: no no no no, we must restrain
jagex if ranged/magic getting 3 max hits: oh sweet summer child, you deserve it
like what the actual fuck
austere mulch
You’d think they’re pretty thorough given the fight takes place in an instance
meager flame
but i have a feeling they're probably imperfect and just take an acceptable amount of damage
and bank
since it might actually be pretty hard to logic out cleaning the floor etc
and making them immortal
narrow folio
Like it or not, scythe getting 3 maxes is pretty insane too and a balance concern so i understand why theyre waiting
austere mulch
jagex if melee getting 3 max hits: no no no no, we must restrain
jagex if range...
fwiw, I think 1-1-max is good and is the better option
But then saying that 1-max was bad because it buffed scythe by like 4% vs tbow and shadow by 2% or whatever it was and saying “this is too much” legit like 2 months after saying they want to bring scythe up to par was a jab to the heart
meager flame
their problem with scythe was like
i think they have a problem with compound decisions
like can we add a bunch of content scythe is good for? yeah
we could buff scythe too
austere mulch
Like it or not, scythe getting 3 maxes is pretty insane too and a balance concer...
3 maxes is a decent jump yeah, the irony is more so saying things like “yeah we want scythe to be more in line with shadow and tbow” and then giving tbow 5 maxes in the last 6 mo, shadow 5 maxes in the last 6 mo, and scythe… 1 max
meager flame
oh what if we also added gear to make scythe better too
and then they just did all of the above
narrow folio
Oath is also not maxes but...still good
austere mulch
I wanted 7 str on boots so that oath helm wouldn’t be a dumpster item 90% of the time
narrow folio
Overall its still an upgrade
austere mulch
Wouldn’t even give Torva a max
meager flame
granted i almost think doing too much was correct
austere mulch
But even that was “too much” by Hagen standards
meager flame
but they do have to stop now
meager flame
because tob is like
holding on for dear life
and the scythe is the last line of defense lol
austere mulch
Tob legit fighting for its life LOL
narrow folio
I expect another max for melee this year
hasty shard
tob genuinely needs new rewards drafted i feel
narrow folio
Wouldnt worry about it
hasty shard
its the megarare + avernic raid
narrow folio
Its too old to make new rewards
austere mulch
Another max for melee and another 4 maxes for range/mage, yeah
narrow folio
Actually unprecedented
meager flame
i think
hasty shard
time is a shit excuse for everything ngl
meager flame
they actually have a great opportunity this year to help tob
they're releasing more vampires a big boss is coming with it
austere mulch
Assuming we get another 3 str bonus next year that isn’t shield slot, we will have gained a whopping 4 max hits on melee since 2019
narrow folio
Sang rapier and justi belong on random standalone bosses
meager flame
and that shit better upgrade some unique from tob
to actually make it a relevant item
austere mulch
We got 4+ max hits on shadow just this year
hasty shard
imagine if they move rapier/sang/justi to a new boss 😭
small anvil
Treads and conf ya
hard axle
scythe generally doesn't grow as hard as shadow/ranged just fyi
hasty shard
would be so funny
austere mulch
imagine if they move rapier/sang/justi to a new boss 😭
The cox treatment 😭😭
small anvil
Shadow grows stupid
meager flame
i kinda think they might buff the rapier with an item somehow
small anvil
Tbow is what 250% scaling?
austere mulch
Maybe raid 4 will actually land well and we can finally let go of tob
meager flame
but it should probably be justi
small anvil
Same with bp
hasty shard
theres a world where that happens and they give tob some of cox's uniques
not saying its very likely
but imagine
narrow folio
Definitely no chance
austere mulch
and its just garbage
Wym it’s good at… checks notes… vard if you don’t have oath or torva
narrow folio
Would be great for me though
hasty shard
they were clamoring to remove claws from it for wgs
hard axle
and it's not necessarily 3 max hits either
meager flame
i also dont even know how you could buff justi at this point which is unfortunate
narrow folio
Flat armor
meager flame
melee armor is already feeling kind of bloated
hasty shard
but imagine
if they did what would it be
I'd presume like either kodai buckler or ancestral
hasty shard
melee armor is already feeling kind of bloated
one more melee midgame sidegrade bro
austere mulch
Flat armor on Justi still wouldn’t make it good unless they make more content where you have a significant amount of unavoidable chip damage
Outside of things like 1st inferno clears
narrow folio
Scythe doesnt grow as hard but still gaps the other megas in the absolute raw dps area
austere mulch
And nobody wants the unavoidable chip
meager flame
yeah the main reason justi sucks is because the game would suck if they were to make it good
hasty shard
i still want justi+inq tbh
meager flame
so its kind of an acceptable loss lol
austere mulch
Scythe doesnt grow as hard but still gaps the other megas in the absolute raw dp...
In perfect conditions, yes
In reality, not quite
narrow folio
Justi should have its own tank niche
Not be combined. Thats lazy.
Give it some str tho
meager flame
the problem is that justi does have a tank niche
but if we actually got put in the blender for that to happen
hasty shard
yeah the main reason justi sucks is because the game would suck if they were to ...
yeah people bitched about cryptbloom being ezscape in rs3
meager flame
we would be so mad
austere mulch
On paper dps is like 10% of the picture and I hate that the mod team puts as much emphasis on it and not enough elsewhere
narrow folio
Well yeah its dependent on defence more than the rest but where its good its insanely good
austere mulch
If justi had Bandos str, it’d at least be a progression item people pick up
narrow folio
Avg dps is still the same
meager flame
players just really hate chip damage and having to tank things
and that's what justi is built for
narrow folio
Whether u actually hit the max rarely or not, it averages to the same
austere mulch
Scythe levers: npc size, slash def, base def, and not flat armor
hasty shard
players just really hate chip damage and having to tank things
doom feels like they finally figured out how to not slap chip damage on a thing imo
austere mulch
It’s extremely easy to balance scythe to where other melee weps are viable
So making scythe strong isn’t an issue
narrow folio
Are they going to make bosses not 3x3?
austere mulch
Read the other listed items lol
narrow folio
Nearly all bosses have been that size
meager flame
doom feels like they finally figured out how to not slap chip damage on a thing ...
i mean its not just doom really most of our bosses after like
nex? i guess
austere mulch
What size is Yama
meager flame
kinda dont hit you if you dont mess up
austere mulch
Is scythe good there?
narrow folio
Technically but they ramped emberlights bonus
austere mulch
Hint: if it’s worse than arclight, it’s not good
hasty shard
you do use scythe in super niche scenarios i think
austere mulch
And it’s worse than arclight
narrow folio
If it didnt have extra demon weakness probably
narrow folio
Which was intentional to make arc and ember better
meager flame
im just glad they actually did that for emberlight etc
austere mulch
Slap on slash def and scythe goes straight to the bin
meager flame
the demon niche weapons should actually smack demons
always felt weird that they did tricks on it for duke to be a scythe boss
narrow folio
Dukes a good example of it being worse if they didnt purposely nerf demonbane
Just artificially forced scythe in there
Gap between that and whip is monstrous
hasty shard
encouraging 5t there is maybe a good thing but eh
narrow folio
4t isnt even that bad because of the cycle mechanics
hasty shard
we should have a boss that is just p2 verzik
austere mulch
But yeah. Really just saying that it’s a lot easier to make other melee weps good and scythe bad
Vs with shadow, that’s kinda impossible
And they love throwing max hits into shadow
narrow folio
100% elemental weakness 
austere mulch
Tbow is easy to balance around too
hasty shard
and also hate giving elemental weakness
austere mulch
But if you make shadow bad, you’re prob making tbow good 🤣
Unless you pull the bloat treatment and go 800 range def
meager flame
ya thats just because shadow and now ayak have like
hasty shard
i think the two scenarios harm is actually good rn is frost dragons and nex minions because its 100%/200% there
hard axle
i also dont even know how you could buff justi at this point which is unfortunat...
hear me out
just fucking make it apply to all damage
meager flame
the hopes and dreams of the entire combat style on their shoulders
hasty shard
and at frost dragons its like what .2 dps diff from dhw
narrow folio
Is it better than dragon wand at frosts?
hard axle
that's fundamentally what the fuck flat armor is
meager flame
where tbow/scythe are part of healthy situations where there are real alternatives
narrow folio
Dang
hard axle
dude, do you know how much I would kill for ely to just work 
austere mulch
You’ll never realistically feel the dif
meager flame
basically though
narrow folio
If they nerf shadows power or scaling too much, ayaks going to be practically the same at this point
meager flame
scythe and tbow are built for niches especially tbow
the scythe niche is kind of expansive lol
where shadow is utilitarian
hard axle
scythe niche is just insanely limiting
meager flame
ya its just when it comes to making bosses
how often is it not going to be some big large npc
hasty shard
adding a 3t weapon with good dps is silly imo
hard axle
but because of that, it's actually the most balanced mega
hasty shard
they wanted to add it since toa
narrow folio
Missing fast melee
hasty shard
and its basically just 'nylo weapon'
hard axle
im convinced that u should just skip bowfa on an iron if u hate CG
and just ayak/confliction everything
hasty shard
core concept i mean like ofc you can use this shit elsewhere but
narrow folio
Ayaks spec doesnt get talked about enough
hard axle
ayak by itself is okay
hasty shard
its very obviously 'nylo weapon' because thats where it matters most since theres no way you take harm and mage is 5t otherwise
hard axle
with confliction it's dumb
narrow folio
The spec is goated
meager flame
i think ayak doesn't really solve the part where you sometimes just need a good range weapon but
austere mulch
how often is it not going to be some big large npc
Size less of an issue than jagex just loving slash lmao
hasty shard
its very obviously 'nylo weapon' because thats where it matters most since there...
which is why wand of duelling failed or whatever huey weapon was
narrow folio
I dont think the delays that big a deal
austere mulch
Best part about Ayak is the projectile speed and I will die for the mod who pushed for it to be how it is
narrow folio
Especially since u can wait for a splash then cast
meager flame
Size less of an issue than jagex just loving slash lmao
yeah but thats just jagex knowing exactly what they're doing lol
they're stuck if they do crush or slash its basically scythe time
and if they dont
everyone complains that bis is 7m
hasty shard
quick tangent can you pneck doom shield blast
meager flame
23m actually apparently these days but lol
basically they go any direction that isn't stab
and that leads to scythe
austere mulch
<:masorihmm:1017166165962936401> quick tangent can you pneck doom shield blast
As in can you proc neck from it or clear its damage from queue?
narrow folio
Nothing wrong with making non scythe bosses every so often
hard axle
I dont think the delays that big a deal
same logic was used for red keris and it's why it's basically not good until 6+ players
austere mulch
Answer to both should be yes
hasty shard
As in can you proc neck from it or clear its damage from queue?
clear damage
cause I just realised whenever tf i get to doom on varlalocked i could probably belladonna -> pneck it
austere mulch
Assuming you’re stalled at least?
hasty shard
i have literally no solution otherwise and i'd get locked at wave 5 max
cause no demonbane
austere mulch
Well hmmm. Idk, when does the damage calc
narrow folio
Ur just adding 2t delay to ayak, much smaller
meager flame
i still will die on the hill
hasty shard
idk but its a projectile pretty sure
meager flame
that they need to make a real crush weapon and remove crush from scythe
hasty shard
and its just 99 on wave 6+
austere mulch
If the damage is queued at the start of the animation, then you should be able to clear it from queue
Without needing a stall
Need something you can damage yourself with
narrow folio
I think removing crush on scythe is the direction its going but theyre scared of backlash. Legit fang situation all over again.
But scythes the precious baby
hasty shard
you cant tick eat it iirc
meager flame
thats why you gotta make the new crush weapon in the same update where you remove scythe crush
cant just delete it and not fill the gap
hasty shard
adding a crush mega is just gonna be zzz imo
cause thats 100% the plan
im not gonna be excited to grind out crush scythe lol
meager flame
i mean i hope thats not raids 4 mega
austere mulch
you cant tick eat it iirc
Yeah just is question of when the damage applies in the tick regarding which self damaging item you can use
Locator vs divine angle like very
narrow folio
Needs some other gimmick besides big damage
hasty shard
what would be the point even
meager flame
but i do think its a fun direction if they do it in the right place
meager flame
since they could just add something absurd to go bonk stuff with
narrow folio
Hueycoatl
hasty shard
youey
meager flame
like giving us an anvil to beat npcs down with or whatever lol
hasty shard
huey has like 10 different things you bring its dumb
austere mulch
Raid 4 mega I want to be a typeless damage spec wep pls & ty
meager flame
elden ring reference
hasty shard
blood moon switch dhl switch ursine
meager flame
honestly they should go play some bonk elden ring for inspiration or any souls game really
narrow folio
Voidwaker attachment to turn it into khopesh
meager flame
they have some hilarious ideas for crush weapons
austere mulch
That said, if it is a mainhand wep
hasty shard
i think they take too much inspiration from other games tbh
austere mulch
Stab probably makes more sense than crush
meager flame
ya its mostly just so they can go think outside of the box
austere mulch
Just so you don’t kill scythe value (for now)
narrow folio
Rapier then becomes completely dead
hasty shard
wide gesture at yama/dt2 and 'taking inspiration' from poe2
austere mulch
Rapier been dead since 2019
austere mulch
At least scythe, regrettably, fits the crush mega slot for now with current content. But there’s nothing for stab*
narrow folio
New stab mega shouldnt overtake fang at high defense so rapier becomes utterly dead unless theres some gimmick niche
hasty shard
adding EoF as a mega would be the funniest option
(rs3 amulet that lets you use a weapons spec on any same-style weapon)
claws godsword
meager flame
i still feel like its gonna be something predictable
like the khopesh tuned for normal game as a spec weapon
to replace vw for pvm
austere mulch
I think it’ll be something similar yeah. If not as the mega, then something like that as a drop
hasty shard
i REALLY want sunlight spear
austere mulch
I’d honestly be down for it to be like cox and have 3 megas, one spec wep for each combat style
meager flame
incoming nightmare orbs megarare
austere mulch
New mega ultra salamander
hasty shard
buff volly
narrow folio
It could also upgrade fang but a megarare not standing on its own is weird
austere mulch
‘/s
meager flame
it could also be something really crazy like
austere mulch
Buff everything from NM
meager flame
an upgrade item for the current megas
that gives them a spec
but i think that might be too unhinged
hasty shard
why did they take wrathmaw and not vulcu from that game jam shit couldve passed
austere mulch
Biggest regret I have in game is buying all NM uniques on release instead of 3a pick
hasty shard
that gives them a spec
eof
austere mulch
Thinking “I’ll use this eventually”
hasty shard
i doubt this is as useful but what about mage/range soulflame horn
austere mulch
Inferno runners would be foaming at the mouth
Imaging dropping a 91-91 on zuk
😭
Or w/e the max is now on task
meager flame
it would be funny though
scythe spec is something i'd have a lot of fun with but the art team would hate me
analog crow
Maybe raid 4 will actually land well and we can finally let go of tob
If tob is dying let it die
It’s fine to have some dead content in the game
meager flame
imagining the dumbest looking bladestorm from wow except in osrs
it would look really cool though since its already a multi hit weapon
hasty shard
scythe spec is something i'd have a lot of fun with but the art team would hate ...
this is just every spec when you switch off
same diff
meager flame
if you could basically spin in a circle and hit everything it would look insane
analog crow
Although
Watch raids 4 be all banger rooms except for one (1) dogshit nylo/monkey style room
hasty shard
monkey room is unironically the boss room now its so funny
meager flame
they might actually not hate making that spec animation now that i think about it
i think they have the tech now to make it cool
like the sailing cape emote
round lintel
is it confirmed that raids 4 will be in morytania as well?
as you guys were talking about this YT showed me the blood moon rises video from jagez
ember token
nope
there's been 0 hints as to where raids 4 will be
but it's pretty reasonable to assume they're not going to give morytania a 2nd raid
round lintel
gotta be honest the stranglewood story line is very interesting
hopefully they continue that story line
hasty shard
i will continue it
ember token
yeah im sure we'll get more Old Ones stuff when they progress the kourend/varlamore storyline(s)
hasty shard
i question peoples literacy concerning the stalker quest
garden of death is definitely meant to be about 'old ones tried to put their souls in this plant and it made an evil living plant instead' and people somehow misconstrue that as 'this cave has the strangler and it's going to take over the world!!'
how
we merc a guy in dt2 for being infected i dont think we'd be liberally making atlatl darts out of stalker horns if it was strangler
ember token
yea the strangler in the stalker den is pretty clearly not the same variant/strain
hasty shard
we merc a guy in dt2 for being infected i dont think we'd be liberally making at...
for all we know kasonde could've literally died within minutes from exposure
cause sliske replaces him at some point
ember token
there's a specific camp in the stranglewood which I think the implication is that it was Kasonde's camp
round lintel
i mean that area is big enough for a quest line on its own and the story is very nice
just like whisperer
its story may be brought up with sailing
ember token
the story of the stranglewood is the story of the Old Ones
hasty shard
oh right final dawn
that quest pissed me off
completely empty archive wow thanks
unless xeric shows up in the zeah gm with all the books im going to be mad
meager flame
as you guys were talking about this YT showed me the blood moon rises video from...
my two guesses for location are the cursed archipelago or a fremmy theme
hasty shard
surely frem is the likelier of the two
ember token
is it confirmed that raids 4 will be in morytania as well?
anyways im currently thinking that a Fremennik raid is most likely for raids 4, and then the cursed archipelago is raids 5 with possible sailing combat involvement
analog crow
unless xeric shows up in the zeah gm with all the books im going to be mad
You may have one xeric breadcrumb, as a treat
meager flame
they've been dropping so many hints about the shadow realm stuff though that i have a feeling that might really be it
since its been ramping for years
hasty shard
i cant imagine we get a blackstone raid without the pirate questline advancing a bit
ember token
it's too soon for the cursed archipelago
like the soonest we get Rocking Out is autumn 2026 as that's when Jagex said we're getting a continuation of a storyline, and that's just required Rabid Jack setup for future pirate quests
and the soonest we get an ocean expansion is like winter 2026
meager flame
yeah but they dont actually have to include sailing to get us there somehow in the narrative
like the biggest theme so far with that whole topic
is that it seems to be everywhere
so if they used it for say a raid
it doesn't have to be linear like that
ember token
thats true, I just don't think we're going to get the cursed archipelago before we can actually sail to it ourselves lol
meager flame
although i do feel like they're building on it so much
i kinda think they might be setting that up as something that will be going on for a long time
ember token
just a month now til we probably learn the theme of raids 4
meager flame
kind of like a follow up or tangent shooting off from the mahjarrat and dragonkin stuff once that hits its next mini conclusion with their version of rotm
because they're giving it the same sort of narrative build up the mahjarrat got
ember token
i kinda think they might be setting that up as something that will be going on f...
yea more reason why I don't think we'll be getting the cursed archipelago this soon
round lintel
to be honest we have several inconclusive story lines, like the vampires, the penguins, the mahjarrat (is that part of the stone stolen in wge?) the dragonkin which can be part of it or just its own storyline, the shadow realm, the ancient ones (my personal opinion it can be developed more)
idk if im missing any other story lines
meager flame
to be honest we have several inconclusive story lines, like the vampires, the pe...
ya the mahjarrat/stone/dragonkin are all about to run into each other in the next big quest
ember token
yes WGS is part of the mahjarrat story
narrow folio
If tob is dying let it die
It’s fine to have some dead content in the game
I dont think a raid should be dead content out of everything
meager flame
they're not gonna let raids be dead content
its one of the most objectively dumb things they could do
raids are insane engagement for them
like cox for example probably punched way above its weight in dev time
and its still going
almost 10 years later
round lintel
I dont think a raid should be dead content out of everything <:scrongle:14373868...
the problem with tob is that people do it cuz they like it and a possible scythe
Anything else is kinda dead content in someway of another
ember token
anyways, raids 4 fremennik raid with the fremennik questline finale, Hati, Skoll, Fenrir, Dagannoth mother, maybe a Yeti, etc. as bosses
meager flame
i suspect that tob uniques are going to somehow get a pass
round lintel
for example avernic defender is nice but nox hally is just as good as having avernic + saeldor
meager flame
i just dont know how jagex will execute
round lintel
for crush scythe bis
meager flame
idk if they'll just go right at the items and directly change them or add items to combine them with
narrow folio
Yeah unfortunately the value of the rewards besides scythe and avernic tanked and thats not healthy..same with toa
round lintel
justiciar dead content
narrow folio
Get it? Tanked. Justiciar.
meager flame
but its kind of a situation that they can't reasonably allow to continue
hard axle
toa should've never been even remotely close to tob when their items are like 20x better
meager flame
its just not smart long term to let those raids fall apart outside of 1 item
the toa situation is funny because
they know exactly what to do
they're just scared
cox is the answer to toa's issues
people do cox today and have fun even though they're drowning in prayer scrolls
and the scrolls maintain good value relative to their strength as well
its the drop rates
round lintel
what do they need to do in toa? is too late to make fang a rarer drop, improve ward and lightbearer is cheap but is good
hard axle
redesign the whole ass raid with no ambros, more spec pots
meager flame
its late but better late than never
its just too rewarding
its that or allocate more ge tax to hiding the problem
round lintel
i mean feel toa is something that exists and is gonna stay there but no one really cares about it except for irons
and bots
hard axle
the raid is still way too easy for most of the rewards, similar to how delve uniques are too accessible for zero
meager flame
i mean everyone cares about toa
austere mulch
Although
Watch raids 4 be all banger rooms except for one (1) dogshit nylo/monk...
Nylo is a good room, money room is not
meager flame
i bet most of us have damn near every drop from toa because they're sick
they're just way too common
austere mulch
Also tob isn’t dying anymore than the other raids. The max eff and speed run scene as a whole is
round lintel
i know im cursed but with the old drop rates i still went really dry for even 1 purple at toa doing 350s on my iron and not to mention my main
austere mulch
Burger raids are as popular as ever
round lintel
my main is the worst rng at toa
meager flame
the tob problem is different because most of those uniques
round lintel
they should make teams raid less likely yes
meager flame
are legitimately not good
austere mulch
Yeah, one good reward. But the raid itself is good
round lintel
cox on the other hand has too many drops
hard axle
Yeah, one good reward. But the raid itself is good
yup, good raid, bad rewards
round lintel
you go thru 20 scrolls before you get something useful
hard axle
@austere mulch I still think rapier spec should be a 10-25% spec purging staff with a min 22 spec hit and refunds if u kill 
meager flame
the cox thing is funny bc we like
can look at stuff and say the prayer scrolls are too common the loot table is bloated etc
but its fucking working lol
round lintel
sick of the toilet papers and doors
meager flame
its actually going crazy compared to tob and toa
which is absurd
since its almost 10 years old lol
and somehow its drop system is still working great
true talon
Fact that claws and door is on the same table as ancestral piss me off
round lintel
the thing about cox is the accesibility
u can solo cox in almost any mid game gear
u cant solo tob in that
true talon
Claws shoulda been moved to tormented demons (idiots voted it down) door should be moved somewhere else.
meager flame
thats more proof that the cox design is the best tbh
its more accessible and the drops are more valuable anyways
round lintel
and u need a team which if u dont have friends or clans takes a minute to build kc to apply in 41
416*
true talon
tob is just dogshit for accessibility and i hope in raids 4 they dont repeat that mistake
just have tob style boss rush but solo
TOA would abeen better that way too
hard axle
you would want toa solo burger style balancing
round lintel
toa in the other hand you need good gear cuz if you want to send a 500 u gotta do weird stuff to avoid combat pretty much
hard axle
smh
round lintel
monsters are too tanky
meager flame
cox just shows exactly what they're supposed to do
hard axle
Claws shoulda been moved to tormented demons (idiots voted it down) door should ...
i mean, look at burning claws
despite being how fucking strong they are
round lintel
like defence scale in toa is soooo absurd
true talon
you would want toa solo burger style balancing
no. toa's problem isnt because its solo, its because they tried to make it a raid everyone can do even on a extremely low lvl/stats, even though no1 does raid 0-150
meager flame
raid pretty fun drop rates not very generous but anyone can come play
true talon
toa was made to easy by fault an their difficult crank up was invocations, but they never bothered to make invos matter.
it was just more health, defense, damage
austere mulch
<@391752500426047490> I still think rapier spec should be a 10-25% spec purging ...
Nylo resetters rejoice
bronze kernel
Fact that claws and door is on the same table as ancestral piss me off
I honestly agree that the CoX drop table should be redistributed
hard axle
Nylo resetters rejoice
baby voidwaker as well
meager flame
tbh if i were jagex im not doing anything to cox
hard axle
that works as a foil to zcb
round lintel
I honestly agree that the CoX drop table should be redistributed
also the dark relic shouldnt use a spot on regular loot
the seed drop instead of herb is horrible i hate it
true talon
last thing id do to cox is remove claws an door from ancestral table, put them both on the dhcb and buckler table an then make the scrolls less common in CM's
meager flame
they probably couldn't repeat the success of cox if they tried
as seen by the tob/toa unique situations
hard axle
to this day, I still enjoy cox speeds more than I enjoy speeds in other raids ngl
bronze kernel
It honestly should be like T Bow, Buckler, Ancestral, Elder Maul, and Kodai.
round lintel
i bet 50M if they give same str bonuses as obsidian to justiciar armour
meager flame
its definitely one of those situations where they should try to figure out what went so well
bronze kernel
That actually puts it similarly in line with the rewards pool for ToB and ToA
round lintel
it would stop being dead content
meager flame
but definitely do not change anything about it
hard axle
if there's one thing I want them to do
meager flame
because they might just mess it up and not know why
meager flame
ya buckler is a weird one because in a vacuum its got good stats
round lintel
sang staff instead of 3 runes use 2 and have the effect like sotd to have 1/4 chance to save runes
meager flame
but the reality is if you look at its stats and then look at how many ranged offhands they have below it
theres kind of no real space to make them meaningfully different
round lintel
it would be a much better choice
meager flame
so the buckler needs a big buff to raise the ceiling
and let them spread out the other range offhands
hard axle
ya buckler is a weird one because in a vacuum its got good stats
i would say its actually got bad stats once you actually consider crossbows as a whole
austere mulch
it would stop being dead content
Would still just be a pre-oath plate vard set with obby str bonus
meager flame
ya i just mean comparing it to other range items
torpid delta
and its still going
tbf they also keep helping cox now and then by buffing the drops (buckler, augury, maul) (although augury is debatable because they immediately dunked on it with mystic vigour afterward)
meager flame
like if you compared it to a anguish or whatever
torpid delta
which just makes their refusal to address tob rewards sadder lol
hard axle
sang staff instead of 3 runes use 2 and have the effect like sotd to have 1/4 ch...
i wish they didn't fucking lower the rune costs 
ayak being 1 demon tear is stupid as fuck
meager flame
i mean the main problem with tob rewards is we can come up with rapier fixes probably without too much issue
and you could also get to salad blade at the same time
round lintel
Would still just be a pre-oath plate vard set with obby str bonus
nah i can be good for some slayer, learning colo, melee inferno task for those not GM
hasty shard
it's buff buckler to +20 ranged str
zaena defending the state of hopper got me like
meager flame
but wtf do you even do about justi
austere mulch
Tob is the unwanted middle child, which is why it often gets the short end of the stick
Truly unfort
hasty shard
idk why we decided the 6% chance to proc 110 weapon should have a double hit opportunity literally ever
true talon
i bet 50M if they give same str bonuses as obsidian to justiciar armour
should have had justicar and inquisitor combinable into tanky crush armor.
we got tanky slash armor before better crush armor l
hasty shard
idk why we decided the 6% chance to proc 110 weapon should have a double hit opp...
like if you need to nerf an idea to the ground to add it, maybe its not a good idea
hard axle
<:scrongle:1437386822887018507> zaena defending the state of hopper got me like
no no, i actually think hopper deserves to be dogwater because voters don't read or understand game balance
meager flame
like if you need to nerf an idea to the ground to add it, maybe its not a good i...
tbf that whole item is comedy
round lintel
should have had justicar and inquisitor combinable into tanky crush armor.
problem with that is that torva is just as tanky as justi without the set passive effect
hasty shard
they genuinely may as well combine justi and inq considering how fucking tanky oathplate is
hard axle
hopper by itself is fine to be weak, but let it combine with buckler 
austere mulch
nah i can be good for some slayer, learning colo, melee inferno task for those n...
Protection prayers for slayer, bandos is already plenty tanky where you don’t use them. Torva especially so
Budget Torva ig for Colo?
Wouldn’t change anything for melee inferno
hasty shard
actually wild oathplate has bis slash def
hard axle
Protection prayers for slayer, bandos is already plenty tanky where you don’t us...
hear me out
torvoath
60 max hit with salve
torpid delta
actually wild oathplate has bis slash def
oathplate was a thinly veiled "jmod is struggling with vardorvis" update, can't change my mind
meager flame
i giggled when they were talking about oathplate on the saebae podcast
austere mulch
Torthplate
hasty shard
oathplate was a thinly veiled "jmod is struggling with vardorvis" update, can't ...
wide gesture to haemostatic bandage
hard axle
AND
meager flame
and they were talking about oathplate not sure how much it devalued torva
hasty shard
literally just for vard
hasty shard
the only other bleed mob is stalkers and acting like you need this for stalkers when they drop sharks to sustain is a wild cope
hard axle
this is the same shit as masori did for armadyl
meager flame
like they seemed like they didn't think it changed the value of torva that much
torpid delta
literally just for vard
is zebak crunch a joke to you (yes)
hasty shard
not a bleed btw
meager flame
when in reality they basically dropped nukes on the value of getting torva lol
torpid delta
wait it isn't
hasty shard
they should rework it to be
torpid delta
LMAO
round lintel
we still need the best stab bonus armour
hasty shard
the yama contract that also explicitly wants inq mace
round lintel
let em cook on that
meager flame
idk if we can handle more melee armor
hasty shard
i refuse to believe there isnt a jmod merching mace
meager flame
im pretty sure whats really going on
hasty shard
like i cannot fathom why its specifically one hand melee for doom
true talon
my torva hasnt seen the light of day since i got oathplate
meager flame
is that they're trying so hard to maintain a serious intention about nm drops being reasonable
true talon
its just dead armor
meager flame
so they try to slip in something for them
hoping that someone will like
go do the content and tell them its okay
and its not happening
lmao
ember token
like i cannot fathom why its specifically one hand melee for doom
i thought that was just so you cant use halberds
hasty shard
there is nothing stopping them just not allowing halberds instead
round lintel
i mean doom is not weak to slash on normal circumstances, so avoiding using hallies kinda dumb
meager flame
tbh the nightmare bugs me in general
idk if theres ever been better content held back by horrible reward design
hard axle
idk if theres ever been better content held back by horrible reward design
im telling you
meager flame
and they just wont budge
hasty shard
I used a dmace before <a:BLaugh:891723966425735278>
Pray do tell is dmace better than inq mace
hard axle
and the literal hours for inq halve
hasty shard
hasty shard
wait a second could you use blisterwood flail and like autocast for that ca 😭
like melee inferno
hard axle
just ayak
hasty shard
a yak
hard axle
the grubs right
hasty shard
like scythe is technically bis for doom and it pisses me off you just arent allowed it for the ca
meager flame
how is the CA worded exactly
ember token
Defeat the Doom of Mokhaiotl levels 1-8 whilst only damaging the boss with one-handed melee attacks.
round lintel
horrible CAs
hard axle
gnome was bitching about it, but day 1 jitters or something
austere mulch
He had way too hard of a time for doom CAs for whatever reason
They rly not nearly as bad as he made them out to be
meager flame
the one i could see jagex changing somehow is perfect doom but im not sure exactly what they would do
because that one should be hard but people kind of go insane over it
hasty shard
what a surprise it does in fact fail it
round lintel
the randomness of the acid is what bugs me alot on that perfect
meager flame
like
hasty shard
ive been going and failing for perfect and tbh it doesnt seem too bad
meager flame
i think they would somehow work in the dt2 bosses style of perfect where you just have to do x number of waves perfectly
instead of specifically 1-8
if they were to do anything
hasty shard
16 delve seems worse and also kind of implies perfect
i kinda thought the ca was 12 delve until i checked 😭
round lintel
i think they would somehow work in the dt2 bosses style of perfect where you jus...
then people would just do 1 over and over till they are done
round lintel
but can be like achievement diaries where is like 1/8
meager flame
it would still be hard as shit either way
meager flame
but maybe letting people mess up but try again on wave 9 and so on until they can get like 3-5 of them would help
austere mulch
Should’ve had a “survive 5 slam attacks on wave 8+ without taking damage from Doom’s attacks, acid, or grub recoil” 🤣🤣
hasty shard
i would maybe just not have grub explosions count to a limit
cause some setups you just cannot reach melees
austere mulch
Should’ve had a “survive 5 slam attacks on wave 8+ without taking damage from Do...
On a single wave*
velvet orchid
I hated the melee ca
round lintel
i love when random acid is thrown where the grubs appear and you get melee barraged
velvet orchid
I just thought it was unfun
narrow folio
Isnt sally 2h
round lintel
the unprayable melee
torpid delta
akimbo salamanders when
hasty shard
reddit complains about this
ember token
thats probably like all from the keystones
true talon
Boss loot was shit, before the keystones became 400k ech lol
tacit wharf
loot was fine
icy relic
Perfect is a bit annoying due to the randomness of the melee grubs
But it's not unrealistic imo
hard axle
Perfect is a bit annoying due to the randomness of the melee grubs
just gotta freestyle it rather than car park first boulder imo
true talon
loot was fine
i menu swapped decend till death or glowy hole. so no it was not fine.
tacit wharf
oh we know
round lintel
so, shadow was almost 700m at some point last month now is 900+
sounds like merchers got people good for em
Torva helm is almost 100m+ from the lowest value
true talon
its still down 150m from when i bought it on my main :