game-update

[meager flame]

the ability to afk and kinda skip the repetitive boring stuff and only do exciting/interesting/new things

[narrow folio]

The fact of how salvaging is almost 3x as much xp than trawling which is pretty active blows my mind

[meager flame]

is very attractive to them

its probably something jagex should think about sometimes but idk if they can really do anything

[narrow folio]

And does combat really boil down to shoot the thing with your bowfa or shadow or something and use ship repair kits?

Or u do the safespot methods jagex is actively trying to nerf

[meager flame]

its basically a quiet admission that doing the same thing over and over actually does suck but people kinda push through it for the parts of the game that they actually do enjoy

to varying degrees

[hard axle]

same folks that were rioting about 6 hour duke mining, but also won't do 20 minute afk agility

[winged mantle]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1445754917309386782 pretty much still the sentiment even when they reverted salavging xp. Ship combat and trawling are awful currently

[meager flame]

the thing i think jagex should probably think about with all of this is like

[hard axle]

Could they have added more training methods? Sure.

Could they have balanced certain tasks better? Yes, but that isn't just buffing shit up.

[meager flame]

maybe they could appeal to the idle gamers at a low enough rate to get money from them but also

maybe they could do a better job of making engaging with training skills actually fun at the same time

so that people weren't wishing for some way to stay logged in for 6 hours without playing for exp

bc they really found out there are a shit ton of people that want afk and they probably want afk because training skills from their pov sucks

so theres a couple of directions they can go from there lol

[hard axle]

25% EHP while doing 30 minute afk activity was ludicrous, and you could probably 6 hour it if you did the camera rotating exploit with a nearby npc

[meager flame]

idk if its really even about the ehp etc people were just mad because something was taken away from them

[hard axle]

I'm still on board with buffing Bounty Tasks and undoing some of the nerfs they applied (iykyk)

[meager flame]

the part they should care about is just how many people wanted to afk instead of play the game

and try to figure out how many of those people were doing it just because they were busy

and how many people were doing that because in their opinion the game sucked lol

[hasty shard]

can you still smuggle catherby/ardy tasks

[hard axle]

i have no earthly idea

[meager flame]

tbh the thing im surprised rs has never done to my knowledge

especially rs3

was something i think i have only ever seen done with eve online

where you could basically set yourself up to progress while you were offline basically

and the whole thing is a giant trick

its so slow all its really doing is keeping you engaged with checking up on it

[hard axle]

afk shouldn't be anywhere near meta rates and I say this as a mostly afk player

rather have long-term focused game balance over appeasing reddit

[thick beacon]

not saying it should not have been nerfed but glide was still like 3-4x the xp

[hasty shard]

i mean you could 6 hour but ur capped by hold

[hard axle]

they should've scaled it more with hooks cuz hooks still are dogshit

[hasty shard]

theres probably some tier where you can 6h log though cause shit lvl/rates

[hard axle]

true, 1.5-2 hour afk only

and high chance of ban LOL

[hasty shard]

you can uh 6h log trawling for 1k/h

[thick beacon]

30min afk is pretty insane i thought they mightve actually nerfed that aspect

[hasty shard]

i think having to sort salvage for like 5 minutes or so after hold is full basically doesnt factor in

especially when its also bursts of 1 minute no interactions

[hasty shard]

this is not a joke by the way cause you can just park where a shoal spot is and set nets to medium and they WILL fill up at some point

insane iron tech for sleeping

[hard axle]

Not surprised and I know folks who will do this if they don't patch it.

[hasty shard]

know folks
yourself

[hard axle]

look, 6k/6 hours is a little too slow for me

and no trawling stations

[round lintel]

You know the sad part is? for irons the food thats only worth is the Marlin, its only in the northern sea, which several spots cross with krakens soooo bad

[austere mulch]

are shoals across worlds synced up? if not, cant you just hop worlds and get a perfect rotation

so you never need to move and never really have downtime minus the login

max eff shoals = world hop simulator\

[round lintel]

arent they like 30 seconds in one spot then they move?

[hasty shard]

idk but you can have 100% uptime anyways so

why would you

something like that

i think its longer for lower tier shoals

[austere mulch]

so you dont need to follow them

ezpz

say you have an 8world loop where you just hop every min or w/e it is instead of ever moving your boat and you get like 95% of the fish/hr

[round lintel]

Nah

that also sounds like pain

[austere mulch]

every 30sec is a lot ngl

if it were 1:30 thatd be so free tho

40 clicks + 40keybound hops per hour

if you afked too long, just skip a world

[tacit wharf]

u really call halibut, yellowfin and bluefin not worth it

[round lintel]

I mean at end game few places u need to combo food, you need mostly brews

And with run energy rebalance idk where id use yellowfin

now bluefin probably but they are caught with Marlins no?

[tacit wharf]

i mean they all can be caught together and they all have their own shoals

[icy relic]

I use halibut and marlin all the time now

Easier to get than hunter meats

[molten basalt]

what would you think if they added teak crates, which can be filled with salt, for hunter meats?

[meager flame]

i do think the classic fish are dead people just haven't really realized it yet

you can actually get a pretty decent amount of fish/hr

[hasty shard]

i mean do you really need that

moonlights are like right under the hunter guild and you have meat sack

i think we should get more crates geared for content though

i do like the idea of sailing to ungael yourself and storing the loot in your ship and sailing back to port to bank

[round lintel]

nowadays is anglerfish on main and irons (before sailing)

With Yama anglerfish became the best food to get

versitile

[chrome lantern]

"Dead" with a pretty big qualifier for ironmen to get 93 (boostable) sailing, 600 dragon nails, a narwhal knife, 84 construciton, and 16 ray barbs

[round lintel]

sounds like a pain

[hasty shard]

imo like
do you need marlins even

all pvm has been designed without them in mind lol

entirely unneccessary

[round lintel]

i mean they are comfy food

[hasty shard]

I wouldn't put them at the same level as arma brews which are ???

[chrome lantern]

You don't, but the point was that you don't "need" to focus catching any other fish

[hasty shard]

haemostatics also maybe since they can sub out for guthix rests

[round lintel]

and you need them for arma brews no?

[chrome lantern]

If you actively catch 600 per hr

[hasty shard]

for extended stams

armas are umbra coral + rainbow crab paste

[round lintel]

ah my bad

[hasty shard]

you'd think its arma brews lol

[hasty shard]

yeah id rather use anglers

if i want a lot of hp hard food i'd use moonlights

i dont think theres like any pvm thats asking me to get hp immediately right now

[chrome lantern]

I did the math

If I turn all my amylase, marks, termites, and stams ultimately into extended stamina potions

I have 1600 hours of stamina boost on my ironman

[hasty shard]

lol

[round lintel]

xd so if you have ring of endurance you'd get 6 mins stam?

[round lintel]

sorry i havent read anything about the new stam

[chrome lantern]

It's 4min right

Per extended dose

Yeah 4

An extended stamina potion restores 40% of the player's run energy per dose, and offers a 70% reduction in run energy depletion for 4 minutes. This effect does not stack, and drinking additional doses before the timer has run out will simply reset it back to 4 minutes. When the stamina effect is active the boot in the run energy orb changes from its usual yellow to orange.

[hasty shard]

as much as i despise ring of endurance existing i feel like its more reasonable now with extendeds

vs just clicking normal stam

the passive not working when you use a stam is braindead though why

whyyyy

[chrome lantern]

Does it not

That's wild

I'm dry on my iron so I never used one

Does the ring of endurance extend the extended stamina

Or is it just fully replaced

[round lintel]

It doesnt say in the wiki

is what i just asked

[wet harness]

Posting my thoughts about sailing from another server.

Pros: Very streamlined leveling experience (no pun intended); it feels good to change pace and switch between activities. World immersion buff. New skilling methods to play with; this update has given me confidence to plan out how I will earn gp in the next skilling update.

Cons: Port Task meta doesn't feel great; I want to be sailing my ship and not having to teleport around for good routes. Extractor needs a hard nerf. Facilities need a "move" option like in POH. Dragon parts can stay rare, if Jagex balances late/end game boat content to average around Ironwood/Rune. We need Ava's Cannonball Assembler.

[hasty shard]

i think blogs say it does?

[chrome lantern]

I know you can charge with it

But if it gives you 8min stam that's kinda insane

[round lintel]

i dont even know where blog is but wiki doesnt say anything

[meager flame]

the levels sure but you dont really have to have rosewood to get enough of this stuff to use

like

i think in the future most of what we did like afking karambwans is going to basically be seen as a waste of time or like a really low end thing to do

all of that stuff is kind of cooked now if you have the levels to go for the sailing stuff

we'll still probably get some anglers at least but

thats mostly because of how it overheals

[chrome lantern]

Unrelated note I am about to hit 2x dry on Bottled storms. Have another 200kc on mobile with a second inky paint

Very lucky on keel parts toward my sloop though

[round lintel]

using bowfa or shadow?

[chrome lantern]

Tbow

Iron balls in cannon

Single cannon safespot

First 500 or so were freeze or 0 cannon, next 1k were double cannon, last 500 were here

[round lintel]

I did try tbow but i felt shadow was betterdue to heart using one invo instead of several range pots

[chrome lantern]

I don't have a heart

Also I'm using rune arrows without losing maxhits

[round lintel]

i c i c

[chrome lantern]

Well I think I do lose 2 maxhits on the 1% chance I do unreduced damage

But yeah

Not a huge concern to me considering I've already used11k rune arrows

Can't even imagine if I had used 60k shadow charges lol

[meager flame]

yeah when i kill them its basically a huge meme where lol

basically using really terrible ammo and so on because theres not actually a good way to do it

and i'd be trolling myself if i used the good stuff

[winged mantle]

Can you send me the tiles/ location?

[round lintel]

Same plz

[fringe rivet]

gimme jamflex, I want my ocean pancake diamond shaped thing

[winged mantle]

These are adorable

1 scgrongly flag please

[analog crow]

We really need either

1. Crew registrar near each trial
2. NPC contact crew registrar
3. Allow crew on boat during trial

[chrome lantern]

I can't even think of a benefit crew could possibly give you during a trial tbh

It seems like a remnant from when they said they were planning to not let you build the extractor next to the helm

And the weird fact that you can even assign crew to the wind catcher

[analog crow]

Can just not allow you to assign crew during the trial but leave them on the boat

[cold patio]

Would you please consider them as something I can turn into a flatpack so i can swap my boat between "salvage" and "trawling" setups?
Loving the update

[round lintel]

Yeah I dont wanna spend more money on another boat for trawling xd

[winged mantle]

surely they let us put hats on our pets

[winged mantle]

also shout out to whoever designed the vine environment

cool as hell

[nocturne solstice]

looks wild

[winged mantle]

Tempted to see how all the other areas are under water

I love this stuff

[nocturne solstice]

I turn on HD117 now and then and the transparent water makes the stuff visible

its fun actually seeing the sharks and krakens swimmin around

[shy sentinel]

Opulent Salvage needs to give Elite Clues...1/500-1/1000 is fine, but not having an Elite rate is bogus

[reef laurel]

That sounds kinda fire for sailing ngl

[tender peak]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they did say they were planning on (eventually) making transparent water an in-game setting, no?

I do love what they did with the oceans, they already feel a lot better even if the water is still the same texture as before

But I feel like they mentioned that at some point

[shadow wave]

It's on the roadmap for the HD client

[tender peak]

damn

I prefer the old school look myself but the big exception to that is the textured stuff

[austere mulch]

OSRS’s offices hd very much keeps the old school look in place which is nice

117 can be pretty at times, other times it can be a bit much

And HDOS art style just isn’t for me. Never liked that graphical update in 2008? Or whenever it was. But it’s cool for the people who do like it

[chrome lantern]

I just don’t really like “HD” lighting and texturing personally but something like specifically water transparency could be interesting

[meager flame]

i mean it'll be there

they didn't go make a bunch of art underwater so nobody could ever see it

its guaranteed

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I guess I’m just saying it would be neat if I could use only that and none of the rest of HD :)

[meager flame]

yeah that honestly probably never happens ngl

like they could technically do that

im just not sure if they're actually going to invest in the old look

[chrome lantern]

I just really like normal graphics

[meager flame]

yeah although honestly

thats kind of what their hd is

all they're really doing is increasing resolution and allowing a bunch of stuff like lighting and shadows to work

its more complicated than that but its not really supposed to be like the original hd rework or something brand new

which is good because if they tried to push the 08 hd on me i'd probably quit

lmao that stuff was truly terrible

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but the one thing I don’t want is the lighting and shadows :)

Same reason I hate 117

Not hate but prefer standard

2008 graphics were disgusting and it still appalls me when I see people play on HDOS

[meager flame]

idk 117 is way more heavy handed

this is what the official stuff looks like

if you go there and turn on 117 though lmao

they go crazy with textures and color saturation etc

[chrome lantern]

Right side looks way better to me

It’s just simpler in a way that works

Shadows and lighting like that don’t add value to me

[meager flame]

the one thing that i do see that they're doing that i dont want

is that they seem to really like the fog effects

so hopefully you can just completely disable that garbage

its fine if they want fog at like the very edge tiles you can see just so you're not staring at what is obviously a loading line or whatever

but they seem to have like a variable level of fog leading into the distance that starts from pretty close to you

the worst part is they talk about it like its this great feature lol

[ancient bloom]

It's using the RuneScape 3 renderer. It's quite adjustable in rs3

[chrome lantern]

Generally speaking I just don’t want anything that makes it harder to tell what’s on my screen

Fog, shadows, and lighting are all big parts of that

[meager flame]

thats a real thing in game design that i've kind of known for a long time but couldn't really describe it to people

but i saw a video recently that explains it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuK-oafQP1s

basically tldr the more busy the screen gets the less memorable and recognizable at a glance everything gets

which is why you can play a game like halo 3 and know immediately that someone has snipe from across the map even though the game doesn't have like lens flare or anything

because they like perfectly executed the lighting and silhouettes so your eyes are drawn to what matters instantly

its also why you likely remember specific areas or rooms from older games a million years later but couldn't do the same for a new game you played a week ago

thats why its important that when jagex does their own hd they don't do too much and end up losing the visual clarity

[last maple]

when does the winter event start?

[ancient bloom]

It's not gonna affect most players since it's only in the official client and not coming to runelite. It looks pretty subtle to me, mainly trying to make objects in the world more grounded with AO. https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/HD_%26_Plugin_API_Progress_Update_(8).png?cdf0a I assume it's mainly targeted towards newer players as generally speaking the graphics is a turn off for a lot of people.

[tender peak]

left side gives me the same ick as the blender promo images / youtube thumbnails

there's just something charming about unlit lowpoly and by adding in dynamic lighting they're taking that away

[umbral coral]

The low rez shadows ruin it

[ancient bloom]

RS3 shadows are pretty sharp, worse offenders are the grass blades which personally I don't think should cast a shadow.

[umbral coral]

yea rather none than a blurry shadow in a game known for sharp edges

[austere mulch]

This was a point a lot of ppl brought up about Halo: Campaign Evolved

Also just saw you mentioned halo haha. Checks out

[meager flame]

ya modern halo from 343 is just hopeless lol those dudes couldn't make a decent game if their lives depended on it

[hasty shard]

i know its only like artists from 343 but i think its so funny that metroid prime 4 seems to be flopping considering the connection

[meager flame]

i would honestly be scared to have them on my resume lol

especially if you were someone actually in charge

[austere mulch]

FWIW they had a LOT going against them with the way they chose to develop the game and with the slipspace engine that nobody knew how to optimize or use and by the time you got enough hours in it to make anything worthwhile, your contract ended and a new person was in lmao

Game direction has been a huge miss outside of that tho

[meager flame]

yeah thats standard microsoft unfortunately

they're actually the reason a lot of laws exist about how long someone can be a contractor and not receive benefits etc

but yeah its basically a disaster every time over there for 343 that kind of hits some high points

like if you said you worked on halo 4 or 5 that probably won't look too bad they weren't well received games but they shipped and sold right

if you said you worked on infinite or mcc though lol

or god forbid both

you're probably gonna get some questions

[austere mulch]

Infinite’s 10 year plan only to sunset 4 years later so they can ditch slipspace and move to UE5

🤣🤣🤣

[meager flame]

although if you were part of the team that actually got brought in to fix mcc

that would look great

[austere mulch]

If MCC released in current state, it would’ve knocked it out if the park

Yet …

[austere mulch]

This is crazy ngl 💀

[meager flame]

its also very scary for blizzard lol

they probably wont do anything at first but if they flop or underperform i'd bet anything microsoft moves in and starts pulling in contractors and laying people off etc

[chrome lantern]

I had a thought earlier

What if the Bottled storm, Broken dragon hook, Dragon cannon barrel, etc. didn't even exist in the first place

And all their sources just dropped the schematic

Rather than these weird key chests

That way you don't have to get multiple of them but they can still be suitably rare

Also, paints should be untradeable and not consumed

Paints/trims in general remind me of jars

[ember token]

paints probably shouldve just all been infinite use and untradeable

[winged mantle]

Definitely

[austere mulch]

Fine. Well go the schematic route and make drops 3x more rare to compensate. This will be better on average, as you can then use them across multiple boats

Cannon barrel is now 1/60k

And one last note, we’ll nerf all xp rates by 33% so that your effective xp for drop rate remains unchanged

[tacit wharf]

[fringe rivet]

so odd that they aren't because, you know, the cloth for the flags work like that

[icy relic]

Tying boat upgrades to chase rares is going to bite this skill in the ass so hard in the future

Can't add a battleship because now everyone needs 6 more cannons

[chrome lantern]

Just noticed all the new foods are missing from the Healing section of the Hitpoints skill guide

[analog crow]

I wonder if filling the whole progression range in one update was really the way to go
What design space is there left for anything above dragon cannons?
Or will a future update make cannons dead content for sea combat?

I feel like if the progression maybe should have stopped in the 70s for the release. The race to 99 hype wasn't worth killing off the future reward space

It's smithing all over again

[ember token]

i don't think it's unreasonable to think they shouldnt have done things like they did, but it would also be quite bad if progression stopped in the 70s

[analog crow]

For specific activities like salvaging or trials they could go further of course
I'm talking about ship upgrades mostly, since that's where the future reward space is

[ember token]

well i think the difference compared to smithing is that it's much easier to just changes things if they need to

[analog crow]

I kinda hope they do. Once we have a t92 weapon I'm not sure where we go from there

With their "level is king" approach

[hasty shard]

mfw glides are 72

not your point ofc but

[ember token]

barracuda trials have the same issue in a different way which is that the xp rates are so high that it's gonna be hard to balance a higher level course

[fringe rivet]

can't wait for Trials 4 to give 300k xp an hour

[chrome lantern]

Per lap

[analog crow]

Petition to always render your own boat over neighboring boats so we can see our facilities

[ornate sierra]

For now entity hider is your best friend

[worthy hazel]

They actually did it, you no longer lose repair kits and stuff

when Teleport your boat

[past moth]

Checked #game-news and the status page on the blog. Am I correct in assuming this is a regular ~1min downtime?

[red acorn]

Still nothing about UIM sailing :/

[analog crow]

Anti-Rendi update

[gilded sparrow]

@winter hearth when will we start hearing about non-sailing updates again? Like a release date etc for blood moon rises 👀

[worthy hazel]

Winter summit

25th of January

[gilded sparrow]

I mean.. thats for new stuff, blood moon rises is on our currrent roadmap 🙄

[languid tundra]

Add soup roll to salvage sorting

[sharp cave]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-bagelnet-bagel-bagels-gif-15161223

[worthy hazel]

Every summit so far has had existing roadmap stuff more clarified, so I assume it'll be the same for Blood Moon Rises

[gilded sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

[worthy hazel]

me_irl

[devout wraith]

Will they introduce shellbane gryphon ca's on this update?

[sharp cave]

you can turn them off?

[worthy hazel]

no

[umbral coral]

is the game going down

[sharp cave]

and turn the saturation down if you prefer it lower?

[umbral coral]

for the update

[worthy hazel]

no

just restart client

[umbral coral]

ok

[iron cave]

I want the jad sweater for my character 🥹

[worthy hazel]

@carmine ferry Do you know if the restriction on teleporting your boat also counts for fish crates? (It mentions fish, but idk if they fall under those)

[sharp cave]

wouldnt it? wouldnt that kinda defeat the point?

why restrict fish but not fish crates? and vice versa

they obviously want you to sail back to port with the haul

and not skip that journey

[worthy hazel]

100% I'm just checking if it's an oversight or not

[frozen lion]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-well-done-applause-gif-9257293479114955154

[dire mango]

Question for the irons. Are you able to join other people's boats as irons?

[winged mantle]

yes

just not trim sails or anything like that

can chart things etc

[dire mango]

So with the changes you can now chart the northern oceans as early as 73 with stews if you hitch a ride?

Or more realistically at 75 with blue beer

[winged mantle]

if the boat you join has the parts you can go anywhere

[ember token]

depends on if irons can benefit from the brazier without having built one themselves

[dire mango]

Yes, but the charting was hard-locked to levels previously even if you could get into the area early because you boosted to make ship parts.

[winged mantle]

unsure

[vivid ruin]

Jagex pls add Christmas decorations to my boats 😭

[ornate sierra]

Santahats on top of our cannons 😄

[chrome lantern]

They did tease a hat on Soup didn't they

Frick

Can anyone do me a favor

I hopped worlds on accident and it won't let me relog until the update happens

[winged mantle]

only thing i saw

[chrome lantern]

Can you just type in this chat when the game updates

Please

Like 10 seconds ahead of time

[vivid ruin]

Lemme find out

[ornate sierra]

10 sec left

[night wren]

Done

[ornate sierra]

Mr Santa

[chrome lantern]

I got 5k mith balls this time xd

[candid echo]

You fucking rats I just want cannonballs

[chrome lantern]

Watched some rag fights on high risk pvp at Port Roberts

Amusing

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-looking-for-mouse-cat-gif-26581455

Looking for the Uim update notes

[quartz anchor]

Why does UIM need update?

[quartz locust]

Cargo hold feedback was requested last week and we've heard nothing since :D

[dire mango]

You should feel grateful as an Unimportant Iron Man

[fresh forge]

We're aware that Varrock fountain is filled with yellow water.
My bad guys

Had some spare yellow dye from a quest

[true talon]

This is such a massive issue, jagex should make them untradeable unlimited stock or something.

Good way to sink gold

You want cannon balls past steel, then you buy them from a shop and they untradeable

[sharp cave]

whos been urinating in the varrock fountain?

like rly how does this get past testing lmao

[true talon]

They missed a spot

[thick beacon]

feel like they need to move away from this meta entirely for balls

imo they should signifcantly buff making sailing cballs like maybe 16-20cballs a bar

[true talon]

Take the broad arrow approach

were they are untradeable

[true talon]

event his is not enough, this turns rune cannon balls to 500gp a shot lol

[thick beacon]

ye idk how itd work out but idt cost is that terrible if ur getting good speed

the thing is even if u make them rn its still slower afaik

cuz its to slow to make

[true talon]

Ship combat is gonna need a massive update to be viable for anything

So they will probably leave it dead

[thick beacon]

i dont care much for rewards atm but i do think meta is dumb

legit wait for server reset and hope u get mith balls

think this would actually be a cool resource sink for addy/rune if it was balanced better

[quartz anchor]

No feedback in a whole week after a catered update?

[quartz locust]

last week we were told this week there would be a UIM Survey based around feedback they had received regarding the Cargo Hold over the last few weeks with it being more catered to specific feedback received through communication in the UIM Community Discord, so yes it would have been nice to have had some form of update on the blog at all 😄

[tulip ingot]

Can someone confirm I can now do Rainbow Reef and Southern expanse with whirlpool suprises at 69 with adamant helm?
I can still not go on the island as mooring points are not boostable?

[minor whale]

They absolutely don't need to cater to irons more by making ammo you can make yourself into an infinite stock untradeable shopscape item lmao

You want cannonballs as an iron go make them

Ship combat isn't that necessary right now for basically anything and begging for them to make it even more shopscape is silly

[meager flame]

Tbf doing anything probably was the play

Not that I think they should do shopscape but yeah

[meager flame]

This part specifically is pretty much a joke you’d be better off just not playing the game

People will just use some terrible cannonballs from the shop or not play mostly

Not really a stellar situation to leave things in

[minor whale]

That doesn't mean the solution is "make them all untradeable and make them infinite stock shop items"

[true talon]

its already shop scape. i offered it to be untradeable to sink gold for everyone. if you want a c balls for ship combat you buy them from a shop just like how broad arrows are.

I dont think cball smithing for ship combat is good at all

[candid canyon]

No update to pet chance from sorting???? This is insane.

[oblique mesa]

Shopscape sucks but its nothing new. I can't really picture Jagex only making cannonballs work differently vs other things people shopscape for

[true talon]

i think having a system in which the only time you can get a resource is on a reset day. is really bad.

[meager flame]

Tbf they also have solved that

They can have iron only shops, make shops fill back up faster or give them infinite stock

They’re just asleep at the wheel

[true talon]

yea

[oblique mesa]

Its the same as arrow shafts at the ranging guild imo

[true talon]

They would have a bigger problem than the salaving nerf if ship combat was actually useful lol

[oblique mesa]

You *can * do it yourself but it just sucks and feels so bad. Imo its less with the shop but more so that there isn't a better way with engaging in the production of what you're shopscaping for

[true talon]

example if you wanted to use rune c balls by making them with rune bars, it would 2.5k per shot

thats twice as expensive as shadow

[meager flame]

I mean cannonballs are absurdly cursed

You make 4 instead of 15 and recover 0 instead of 80%

[true talon]

thats why i said if ship combat was actually useful they would have an outrage lol

[meager flame]

Meaning basically

Cannonballs are like almost 20 times less efficient to make

[true talon]

Also the best ship cannon only coming from 1 place this is literally 87-93 sailing worth lol

[oblique mesa]

Getting multiple of the dolls feels so bad

[true talon]

Criminal gem bag doesnt work with red topaz as well 🙁

[quartz locust]

Half way to rate lfg

[true talon]

ya halfway to rate for 1 lol

in 3.3m exp....

[quartz locust]

38,600 more salvage to go for both, you got this smella

[true talon]

ill just do it to 99 and if no cannon base ill wait till they add it elsewhere, chasing a 1/20k is fucking ass esp on content like salvaging.

I dunno what those dolls are for, i destory them.

I kept 1 encase

[main kestrel]

mounted harpoon or javelins would solve the cball crisis (a little)

[nocturne solstice]

Nah, Ava's device for ships man

[true talon]

Nice we got 1

[icy relic]

Looking at the cannonball situation and being like 'they shouldn't cater to irons more' is once again cutting off your nose to spite your face

[true talon]

yes lets make it awful for 30% of the active player base......

[icy relic]

It's shopscape for merchers too because the scarcity problem is so bad they still flip a 80-100% profit

[humble granite]

is it me or did crew salavage even slower in the new update?

[icy relic]

It's awful for everyone and it makes the skill worse

[fringe rivet]

If only the cannonball furnace they specifically made for sailing wasn't bad

[hidden sparrow]

Was doing some sailing and noticed the cursed Archipelago, is raids 4 gonna be shadow reef? If so that's hype af

[icy relic]

Shadow reef would be sick

[chrome lantern]

I agree that this isn’t the solution, but even with the increased cannonball smelting speed from Grimstone’s Ancient Forge, the rate at which you make cannonballs is still too slow to be useful, especially in the quantities you get them back. It will never be worth me making rune cannonballs because in the time I can go get rune, smelt it, then smelt it again into cannonballs, I would’ve been much better off just firing iron cannonballs. Not to mention that creating rune cannonballs makes them have an effective 3.2k price each compared to alching the smithed rune 2h

Overall, I’ve made some of my own mith and addy cannonballs but it’s just not remotely worth your time or resources to do

[minor whale]

They could easily make it so "dwarf cannonballs" made of steel give their normal amount, but all other tiers give 10x that amount
The cannonball model in game is TINY compared to the dwarf cannon balls when shot, and that's a much less shopscapey solution than just making them infinite stock untradeable lol

[tacit wharf]

just make it have a drawf next to the furnace to unnote bars only, and readjust smithing cannonballs speed

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I agree the solution should be a drastic quantity increase and ammo conservation if you ask me. Unless they also 10x the amount of dragon cannonballs those won’t ever be usable on an iron, which I guess just matches other dragon ammo but somehow with even less upkeepability

[chrome lantern]

Speed is a small part of the issue compared to the resource input with almost no output

[solid nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1448301919268376597

posted this in sailing but not exactly sailing related I guess, would love to hear something

[dire mango]

Attach a magnet to the salvaging hook to recover lost cannonballs.

[nocturne solstice]

anchor might be a better fit 🤔

[tender peak]

or just change how the cannon works (hint hint nudge nudge)

[meager flame]

yeah they have to do this because at the end of the day you're just not making enough cannonballs for any of this to be kind of sane

compared to how we actually use arrows we're making 4 cannonsballs where we would've gotten 75 shots with a bow

its insane

and to top it off

you shoot two cannons at once

[chrome lantern]

Taking up another facility slot would kinda be pretty atrociously bad though. Right now you can have a boat that can do both Trawling and Combat at full power (including a single keg) while still having the crystal extractor and wind catcher - which are both tremendously helpful for trawling and navigation in general.

I currently have two dragon cannons installed on my ship that I will use for combat+trawling - which is important because it's the only sloop I plan to fully upgrade: both the keel and the hull.

[meager flame]

i also think the sailing interface needs a ton of work and buttons that dont even exist currently

there are some settings that you definitely want to turn on or off depending on what you're doing currently that you have to open up the real settings interface for

when it should be some kind of toggle on the control screen for your boat

these two specifically

that second option is so nice to have turned on most of the time but as soon as you do anything where your boat positioning really matters you basically have to turn it off

[ionic grotto]

I didn't get a cannon barrel until 97

[true talon]

got my first one at 93

[chrome lantern]

I got em at 89, 90, 91 but did not get the doll. Moved away to mercenary wrecks in case I decide to go for merchant paint on my sloop

[meager flame]

I got both of mine between like 15 and 16m sailing exp

there was a guy i saw complaining about not having them at 25

wish jagex didn't just immediatel turn into 🗿 anytime it comes to any of this stuff lol

its just weird national emergency if people are getting less than 20k more afk exp than they're getting right now but if you want to actually play the game and like

do ship combat, upgrade your boat or do port tasks and actually get a reward its dead silent

[fossil mural]

In fairness tweaking some numbers to change exp rates is way easier than rebalancing ship combat entirely.

[meager flame]

yeah if you wanted to do a huge rework that takes months thats true

if you wanted to give some buffs and make things a bit more playable/make sense though its about the same

[winged mantle]

Almost like the skill needed more time and certain feedback was not listened to 👀

But I do get having to stick to deadlines

I'm glad we got a new skill but oml does it feel like we got a tower of life creature

In some parts

[chrome lantern]

I hate that the search comes up automatically on fairy rings now.

There's no option to disable it

[winged mantle]

Wasn't there a setting for that?

In game settings

[chrome lantern]

I did not find one when I just looked.

[winged mantle]

Uh oh

[chrome lantern]

I really hate having my text input hijacked and would like to see the chatbox

[round lintel]

Did u guys notice after update click priorities changed when salvaging?

Before Deploy hook was first and now inspect shipwreck is first

same for set sails and deploy hooks

[tacit wharf]

idk those were all changed to right clicks when i got to a new salvage

[true talon]

ya i noticed that, i menu swapped everything.

[winged mantle]

They made my boy even better

[nocturne solstice]

Very stylish

[winged mantle]

So refined

S tier pet (scrongly tier)

[narrow folio]

Scrongly is bad for the game because now every new pet needs to be up to scrongle standard

[meager flame]

same

i actually want to help jagex with stuff like that

like lol in the least negative way possible they're incredibly bad at figuring out what left click should do a lot of the time

so i end up having to menu swap tons of left clicks and shift clicks etc when content is new

idk if they've got some kind of weird situation where they look back and see how bad a lot of default options used to be and feel like to be oldschool they've gotta do it again

[oblique mesa]

amen, board previous should be the default

[meager flame]

but they really dont even have to do that like

just make the game good

everyone will be happy

ya the board previous thing was like

30 seconds into me playing the first beta lol

theres tons of other stuff too like

why is my sail clickable when im not in control of the ship

why do all of my crewmates have left click interact options on a boat that's way too small with way too many other things i might be trying to click on for that to make sense

[silent shuttle]

This is probably the funniest shit to open a news post to

[meager flame]

it was extremely fitting for the update today in the funniest way possible

people on reddit were talking about the patch notes they'd wake up to

people were wanting to see any sailing tweaks

some were wanting a christmas event

they wake up to the event no real tweaks and someone pissed the varrock fountain

picture perfect lmao

[chrome lantern]

I'm still not sure why there's even leftclick options on crewmates

[round lintel]

yeah some of their options on clicking are weird

like the extractor and helm

or the extactor with salvaging station

[silent shuttle]

The dev team were too busy stopping one of the kids from pissing in the fountain and failed

[oblique mesa]

Inspect on salvage sites 🙄

[winged mantle]

Sounds like a good bar

[narrow folio]

[winged mantle]

[round lintel]

GridMaster rewards are shi cheap

not even worth buying any rewards with the points

xd

[analog crow]

If you do gamemodes for gp then dmm is your friend

[round lintel]

not what i meant

but leagues items are far more expensive

[winged mantle]

Less people get a lot of league points. Gridmaster everyone got far into the grid

Plus the rewards are more desirable/ longer to get from leagues

[fringe rivet]

like my oversized dragon trophy to let everyone know I have no life

[round lintel]

• 14-15k more before loot tracker

1 cannon

[chrome lantern]

+~200 kc on mobile. Still trying to get 5, just finally got my third around 100 kc ago

[round lintel]

why u need 5?

[chrome lantern]

For all 5 boats ofc

[round lintel]

i mean why do u need 5 boats

?

Lmao

[chrome lantern]

It's one of the only things that Sailing does for stuff outside of sailing, being able to teleport to islands

Staging boat for clues, lava strykewyrms, having my trawler and salvaging ships out on the remote islands

More places I would like to have a boat than boat slots I can have.

Another use is chins or red salamanders for rumors

[jagged marsh]

What's the strat for farming it

Just bis melee and wack bird?

[tender peak]

I'd recommend you check out the strategy page on the wiki

The fight itself is pretty straightforward but gear is another thing entirely. You need to hit a certain amount of equipped weight and you need to be wearing the cape you get from the quest

[true talon]

kinda cool that you can do that with dif boats.

so you need 5 bottles of storm right?

to be able to teleport to boat

if you made 5 boats

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the more correct answer would be that you can construct up to 5 greater teleport focuses, limited by 5 boat slots

[hard axle]

teleport anchors

[true talon]

Is it bias that as an iroman i want a dragon arrow production activity on it XD

[chrome lantern]

On what

[true talon]

the new island

[austere mulch]

Can you technically do 6, with one bottled? Though that’d serve limited purpose at best lol

[chrome lantern]

wym

[restive siren]

i dont think bottling a boat removes it from your boat roster

[chrome lantern]

Oh I honestly forgot that item existed

Yeah I don't think that would work

[meager flame]

tbh idk what they were even doing with ships in a bottle

its actually not a terrible idea except its so rare that its just

useless lol

[minor whale]

Cheap way of getting the same effect as teleport focus without it being something irons can do instead of teleport focus

I used a few when charting so I could get it done faster, like getting to Great Conch via fairy ring instead of sailing all the way South

[meager flame]

we already have that though maybe not as perfectly convenient but basic teleport focus is almost useless as is

shipwrights are pretty good

they actually make the material cost of the teleport focus really questionable

[chrome lantern]

Marble for skiff, magic stone for sloop would be more reasonable probably

[meager flame]

yeah for your skiff is like hmm do i pay 1m for the teleport focus or pay the shipwright 5k

[round lintel]

Some ports dont have that option or idk where they are, for example void outpost

Has everything but not an npc for recovering your boat

[jagged marsh]

Summon Boat is much much faster, less clunky, and can be done at any mooring point or dock.

It's easily worth the 1m if you do port tasks.

[meager flame]

pretty big if there lol

[jagged marsh]

Pretty @viscid urchin

[austere mulch]

They way they worded it on the blog made it seem that way, but I never really checked

Something like “you can use this to save a boat slot” or something

[winged mantle]

Poh resetting so you can double claw spec off the rip. You can ignore the weight req if doing this also. 0 food/ ppots used

[untold edge]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/player-designed-island-competition?oldschool=1

Suggested Size: 64x64 tiles (for reference, this is about the size of the King Black Dragon’s Lair)
KBD Lair is about 32x32 tiles. i think someone messed up the scaling measurements for this blog. is it still meant to be 64x64, or meant to be KBD lair size?

[jagged marsh]

do b claws work?

its weak to stab right

[orchid plaza]

The Jagex Launcher still seems to require admin privileges to launch or uninstall.

[winged mantle]

They do

Stab and then slash

[hasty shard]

poh reset is slower

[orchid plaza]

What cballs you using? Safespotting? 2x crew on cannons+mage?

[winged mantle]

For irons

[hasty shard]

imo they should let you store ship facilities inside them to move them about

if you're an iron why are you doing shellbane anyways lol

[winged mantle]

Pet

Other irons would for the weapon

[hasty shard]

i think irons can afford to use resources for an optional pet grind

folly is noob trap

[winged mantle]

Idk going from using a full set of ppots to 0 sups felt pretty good

I guess it's thematic for the weapon name then 👀

[hasty shard]

just use moths or something

[winged mantle]

Moths wth

End game irons don't use moths. They are slower to get then ppots

[meager flame]

yeah i mean in like a coherent strat playing a new iron

that weapon is totally wasted time

you'd basically never even look in that bosses direction

[winged mantle]

If you didn't want to grind a hasta you would

Pre fang

[meager flame]

yeah but thats mostly just for fun at that point

[hasty shard]

you just get keris upgrade 😭

[meager flame]

like you want your hasta because its actually your lance later

[winged mantle]

Ofc just gives people options to make their path

[meager flame]

so thats not wasted time

[hasty shard]

you probably want to use gryphon tasks for the horn on normal gryphons ngl

especially if they've not patched a certain something :clueless:

[winged mantle]

They patched it

[hasty shard]

ok you still probably want to either way +4 invis and sometimes double looting sounds way more cracked

[meager flame]

i kinda feel like they just extended the sote rush

and added in also killing many demons

for the ideal route still

[hasty shard]

if i ever do an actual iron it would just be wgs rush -> doom lmao

[meager flame]

ya you basically get bowfa and while you're doing that also work on wgs and getting to tds

once you finish tds and cg

you can do anything

bc you have the basics to go get ready for raids and you also

[hard axle]

nah, skip bowfa

[meager flame]

can go straight at doom/yama

[hard axle]

ayak confliction is fine most of the time now

if u hate cg, don't force urself to do it

[meager flame]

idk i dont really think those conflict with each other you'd just want both

bc once you had them you're basically equipped to do

everything

maybe not literally everything but you're not far off

[hasty shard]

bowfa is forrrrr

i can only think of toa really

[meager flame]

and cox

honestly its for almost everything you'd do lol jagex tends to provide range and magic phases often

[hasty shard]

yeah its an everything weapon its just ayak also kinda is

like it loses to bowfa a smidge

but you also get treads/conflictions grinding for ayak lol

[meager flame]

yeah im not saying one over the other im saying do both

[hasty shard]

ic

[narrow folio]

You wont be starting out ayak near full power like crystal is

Takes time to get ancestral/virtus

[hasty shard]

only noobs dont spoon heart

true though

[narrow folio]

Skipping bowfa would be a big mistake and yeah u wont have access to forgotten brews or heart early usually

[hasty shard]

oh wait raids have salts nvm

😭

[chrome lantern]

Tbow rune arrows elite void max ranged all other slots, plus one dragon cannon with iron cballs (buying mith really sucks) in single-cannon safespot

[tough nacelle]

What was it

[hasty shard]

is this a fair comparison for ayak/bowfa

ignore penny

[tough nacelle]

I’d add the boots

[hasty shard]

ayak wins with treads 😭

wtf

[tough nacelle]

Bowfa really has the advantage for irons though

As the best range option and uses in colo and inferno

[winged mantle]

Boost tic manipulation fishing

[tough nacelle]

Ahhhh

But yeah this discord shits on bowfa a lot but it still slaps. Tbow price is quite high

And it’s more satisfying to use

[winged mantle]

Bofa is still worth

[hasty shard]

you could argue an iron wont grind out mages book ig

right bowfa for colo/inferno

[winged mantle]

Muspah

[hasty shard]

i am a bowferno truther

[winged mantle]

Hydra

[chrome lantern]

Eh mage's book is kinda worth when you consider that's pretty much bis unless you want to do copious corp

[hasty shard]

arent those both bp

[winged mantle]

Lol

Darts

[tough nacelle]

For irons relevant but not mains

Yeah darts are a pita

[hasty shard]

yeah it is its just people complain about cg enough imagine doing mta

(i am an mta truther)

[tough nacelle]

You make 4x as many arrows per amethyst

And you shoot them at half the speed

[chrome lantern]

Honestly with modern mage book I would say it's worth doing MTA just to train magic along the way but I did not do so on my gim

[tough nacelle]

Yeah Mta buffs are good

[chrome lantern]

Nah mta still sucks

[tough nacelle]

I just boggles my mind that people say bowfa isn’t worth it

[chrome lantern]

Just not really any offhand that's better

[hasty shard]

did they change alch room at all

oh right grab multiple

besides that

[tough nacelle]

And say bp masori with dragon darts is better dps

[chrome lantern]

It's 1% less str than ward for 10 more accuracy and available a lot sooner

[tough nacelle]

In most places when that’s just wildly more difficult and expensive to use

Esp with current items like oathplate, nox etc

Mains have more gear to go for and irons can’t use BP the same way

It’s definitely less relevant now that you don’t need shadow with the

Eye

[hasty shard]

mfw amethyst/ddart dps carries

i wonder where rosewood bp sits lol

[hasty shard]

sheeesh

crab weapon you get for maxing

[chrome lantern]

Around the same as and usually slightly worse than moonlight antler bolts on things I cared about in calcs I did for my ranged-only iron xd

[hasty shard]

why are they worse than buckler

[median jolt]

why bloodveld wear santa hats but kuraks don't, damn racism

[jagged marsh]

You need to be a good slayer task to get a Santa hat

[tough nacelle]

what is going on with this lag or is it just me

like easily 1 tick delay

[lunar wave]

critical gamebreaking bug needs to be hotfixed asap || rocky still doesnt have a santa hat but squirrels do? game is literally unplayable ||

[reef laurel]

ppl complain about cg bcuz they read an iron guide that says to do cg and end up spending 1400kc in a red prison for a pre bis item

when the reality is that like 25% of all irons would have a tbow by like 7 cox purples if they just sent it with rcb and did 5 min longer runs

[narrow folio]

What 💀

[tacit wharf]

the reality is most people complaining about cg, aint even at drop rate yet, of those are are, most of those arent even at 2x drop rate yet

[winged mantle]

Where are your numbers for this

[narrow folio]

7 cox purples is not a quick grind by any means on top of only 25% as you say

[winged mantle]

https://youtu.be/n7Mh4hbrv_M the actual rate for bofa and armour seeds 🥲

[narrow folio]

The actual rate is a bit longer than what you math out because people die or learn so that takes longer

But still

[winged mantle]

Honestly people shoule do cg to learn game mechanics even

[reef laurel]

ik a lot of ppl who did cg and a lot who didn't. and 90% of the ppl ik who did cg quit the game. 90% of the ppl who didn't still play 👍

the 25% 1/7 is like baseline noob statistics, 1/10 irons will see a mega rare by their 3rd purple

it's just math

and averaged statistics

[hasty shard]

ngl
if they add elven shipwrecks
i think they should give armour seeds unironically

[narrow folio]

You're going to be using a terrible crossbow without masori and dbolts

[reef laurel]

with a large enough sample size, that is

[narrow folio]

For a long time otherwise

Also bp but amethyst or rune darts arent that easy

[winged mantle]

Taught me so much even in order priority (movement - prayer - dps - healing)

[narrow folio]

But I think most irons who skip cg, especially because they think the grinds too long, is probably setting themselves up for even more burnout when they find out everything else is just as long or longer

And guess what, ur stuck with terrible range options on top of that

[winged mantle]

More than 20k irons have done 545 cg kc. How is that in line with your "90%"

[tacit wharf]

unless u actually know what your doing in the first place

[winged mantle]

Cg preps you for the end game mindset

[reef laurel]

bcuz i'd bet that like 70% of those accounts are ironman store or paid service like what

[tacit wharf]

goal posts have been moved

[winged mantle]

You're basing that off personal suspicion

[reef laurel]

rcb with ruby bolts and fang is not that much worse than grinding out a bowfa and potentially going 1600kc dry

personally speaking

i mean u can break it all down into numbers

this that

EHB

it's more of a qol thing tho, imo

i did toa and cox multiple times for tbow/shadow with rcb etc

[winged mantle]

All of the irons I know that have done the cg grind did it themselves

[chrome lantern]

This argument is dumb because you could just as easily go 4k for tbow by the same logic

[reef laurel]

in that event you probably get a dhcb in which case u can now go kill vorkath for ruby bolts more reliably than with bowfa and ur bowfa is a waste outside of toa since gwd rly doesn't provide much outside of bgs these days

my main point was just that

in terms of ehb ye bowfa is a lot better but

most people hate cg cuz they dont have fun

and not having fun is not how to play iron

imo

causes burnout

[chrome lantern]

I mean if anything that's just a bigger issue with people camping one piece of content and refusing to leave it and do anything else in parallel

[tacit wharf]

you know what causes worse burnout, leagues, so lets just cancel any future leagues so people dont burnout

[chrome lantern]

I did plenty of things alongside CG but I still did CG. I got all my zenytes, DWH, and more while still enjoying all of the content 4 years ago

Including cg

[narrow folio]

Skipping cg sets you up for an objectively grindier path but if you can stomach that, go for it

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn't say you shouldn't do CG but there are a lot of things you can do now in parallel with CG, more than ever before

The entire Doom of Mokhaiotl and Yama pipelines have nothing to do with bofa

[winged mantle]

Rotating content should be included in the cg grind

If I didn't rotate content as end game iron I would burn out

[reef garden]

I try to rotate content every 50kc or so at cg

to stay sane

[hard axle]

just skip cg and do the demonbane route

sounds a lot more fun

[chrome lantern]

At some point you still need a ranged weapon though

[winged mantle]

Go 4k delves for your ayak

[hard axle]

still sounds better than bowfa ngl

cuz ayak still has meta uses, wheras bowfa just nosedives after bis

[winged mantle]

I got a lot of use out of my bofa pre tbow

But yeah gl anyone that goes dry 👀

[hard axle]

I'm pretty sure I got a tread on every wave possible

4,5,6,7, 8, 8+

[winged mantle]

I got 1 cloth in a deep delve. Everything else was sub 7

[hard axle]

haven't gotten an ayak actually

just cloths, pets, and treads

[winged mantle]

Huge for the gim team

Family of 5

[hard axle]

[winged mantle]

[tacit wharf]

how to complete any grind in osrs: find a reasonable number to kill per day, reach that, go do something else

[chrome lantern]

I giga spooned my tbow and still feel like it's well worth to get bofa

I switch up the content I'm doing fairly frequently typically

It's part of why I really hate the imbued heart grind because it just sucks and I can't commit myself to just sticking there

[winged mantle]

I normally lock in for a week or 2 then when I feel the drain I rotate

[chrome lantern]

That's way longer than me xd

[tacit wharf]

same, only grind recently i didnt do that is colo (set sailing as my end point even if i didnt get quiver)

[chrome lantern]

I'm talking like multiple activities within the day

[winged mantle]

I guess like clues, bossing, herb runs, prep etc

Otherwise a couple of bosses you can swap between

Like I've got my list on the side so I can see what I'm feeling like grinding that session

[meager flame]

tf did i just read through

[round lintel]

Bowfa is good when u dont have a shadow for toa and is better at regular levi than tbow

idk if things have changed for akkha with ayak

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I mean if you want to die on the hill of "skip bofa" you can do Doom -> Shadow + Masori + Fang -> Shadow Zily for ACB and Kree for Masori fortify -> Nex for ZCB -> now you can just use Masori BP+ZCB

Personally I can't really think of a route I'd rather do less than that

[round lintel]

bowfa if you dont get very unlucky is worth getting

specially for arrows and raw gp

[winged mantle]

Hidden use of bofa - sailing mobs

[round lintel]

I quit my iron dropped everything and now im back at cg almost 900 kills in havent seen an enhanced again

so i started at 464 kc (that was my second enhanced) dropped everything, got back in the account, now im at 1332 kc

and I only need 1

xd

cuz this time im not going for blade and my first time around i didnt get nox hally nor i ground it

I got all zenytes back id say a little spooned, synapses back on rate, cloth and ayak went a little dry

no boots yetg

[thick beacon]

i geninuely dont know how ppl find cg annoying then greenlog moons though its bizzare to me

totaly agree though its more viable then ever to skip bowfa

[winged mantle]

Moons is terrible

[chrome lantern]

Moons sucks

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1380928210937581770

I've been lazy on my bumping and apparently did not bump any of my posts last week

Or at least did so late

[true talon]

Personally for me CG turn off is the long boring prep phase that is ruined by bad rng and having to run around looking for random crap. CG would be more enjoyable atleast for the long grind if you had the corrupted hunleff and got a prep setup armor + food and you had to take on the boss right away with advanced mechanics like in leagues.

ITs why TOB is goated and chambers is zzzzzzz

[chrome lantern]

Prep is fun

[true talon]

and yea chambers has no preps

I dont find CG prep fund, because the ammount of rng involved is insanely frustrating.

[chrome lantern]

There' so many things you can do to optimize prep, it's very satisfying

It's no more rng than any boss fight

[tacit wharf]

t3 is 95% success rate

[chrome lantern]

You need very little to fight hunllef, and the food is guaranteed to be around the center

[true talon]

you can literally do an entire pass of all mats an food and cant make something due to shard rng

[chrome lantern]

lmao what

Surely you're trolling

[tacit wharf]

what

[true talon]

I havnt looked at the meta in years for CG, but t1 prep with t3 wep always did 12 fish with enough mats to make t2 wep + 2 pots + armor which was around 220 shards i think. sometimes i wouldnt have enough shards.

[tacit wharf]

and yr not even hardcore, so u have even more time cuz yr only t1/t2 prepping

[hasty shard]

something something dren gauntlet video

[true talon]

not a big deal, id just kill a unicorn or something

[chrome lantern]

Getting 300 shards is not rng limiting

[true talon]

also sometimes im running around entire outside looking for a demi boss

having the demi bosses be in the middle 3 rooms on every side woulda been better

[tacit wharf]

what

[chrome lantern]

You're crazy

You're saying there should be 12 demis?

[true talon]

yea why not? lets you pick what wep you make, allows you to adjust based on what you found along the way to getting to it.

it isnt a giant RNG fest of having amazing prep finding everything an then running around the outside looking for a demi

[chrome lantern]

I'm beginning to doubt if you've done CG before if you think prep is a critical issue with CG that's so severely RNG limiting as to be unplayable

[true talon]

Im very anti-rng unless its on drops. i feel if chambers supplys was rng on what you got, youd very much not like it.

[chrome lantern]

Spawns on CG prep are no more RNG than the damage you do against the boss

[true talon]

i have 900+ kc

[chrome lantern]

Same

[true talon]

i still do CG sometimes for shards as i like pvm. but the prep stuff is just very annoying time waste. rather fight a harder boss with a pre-setup limited inventory. like in leagues.

[winged mantle]

You don't really have rng with prep if t1 armour t3 weps. Can easily make time if you know the strat

[true talon]

I thought the corrupted hunleff fight was cool as hell

using spec weps to drop its prayer ect

its not about making time?

[chrome lantern]

Also they've done this before in leagues like you mentioned. The T3 armor alone trivialized the fight

The only way to conceivably possibly die was to not know how the specials worked yet

[winged mantle]

The only rng is the gm time tbh

[chrome lantern]

The autos barely hit you

I mean if you know actual speedrun strats then GM is barely even RNG with high stats and cox prayers

[winged mantle]

The demi bosses

[true talon]

thats because leagues had built in damage reduction with the t3 armor + you were able to just chip away at the boss with prayer penetrating attacks

i think the boss in real game woulda be a lot harder

[winged mantle]

Plus rng on first weapon frame

[chrome lantern]

I didn't take t6 combat masteries and it was still trivial

[round lintel]

question, i just maxed again

[chrome lantern]

Near 0 chip

[round lintel]

And I have the hoods from the capes i made before

but it wants max cape hoods

[chrome lantern]

I think Mac gives more

I know you can get skillcape hoods without buying more

Pro tip though you can store the hoods in PoH without having to store the cape with it

[round lintel]

got it

I needed to use a knife on the hood too

[chrome lantern]

Ah

Good to know I'm at 97 Sailing now

[round lintel]

Crystal extractor gave 717 crystal shards since i used it

i think i got it at 74-75 ish

[chrome lantern]

I don't know exactly how many but at least 1200

[meager flame]

yeah mac will just give you hoods too

[blissful topaz]

when is the right click bury bones option coming?

[dire mango]

You can do this already with menu entry swapper.

[blissful topaz]

on bones that are on ground? how

[dire mango]

no, from the inventory. Wasn't clear from your message that you meant bones on the ground.

[analog crow]

If you do it properly there is zero tick loss from having to pick up though?

[idle rapids]

Depending what you're doing yeah

You could pick up the bones/bury them in between attacks

[nocturne solstice]

Or get the bonecrusher and have it auto bury on drop

[blissful topaz]

it was suggested to new players, f2p

[nocturne solstice]

i would not want that for new players

[blissful topaz]

but i am assuming every char gets it

[near widget]

where can we submit the sailing island ideas? just #1022203837265756231 ?

[tacit wharf]

by following the instructions that were given in the post

[near widget]

I completely missed over the email bit. The mentions of reddit and such earlier in the post threw me

[tacit wharf]

ya, read that the other day, and figured its easier just to refer you back to the post for the specifics

[near widget]

thanks, was able to pitch my underwater fortress with merfolk boss fight idea now 😛

[wind lagoon]

** [Island Suggestion] Make It For Clans
Suggestion**

4KBD lairs is enough for a clan island.

Make POH truly multiplayer where you can see and walk around a village that your clan has build up.

House sizes would be limited, but efficient houses are always small anyway.

Make it progressive where everyone works together to make the island great, and start it as a run down piece of sh*t that the PoH of varrock update was meant to be way back in the day.

That's my take on islands.

[true talon]

Make it drop a way to get d arrows and I’ll vote for it

[near widget]

unfortunately i didnt touch on regular item drops as loot coz of wordcount 😛

I do agreew ith that though lmao

[true talon]

🙂

[near widget]

you spawned them for me, thanks ❤️

[true talon]

Easy

Farmable d arrows not from rng drops in 2026 thank you please jagex

[near widget]

I used half of all my accounts accumulated dragon arrows so far at Doom alone

got staff and 3 pets in 7 expected drops

will likely run out of my 18k starting arrows ish before i get the cloth+boots

[true talon]

Yep but just lose the 3 max hits on a boss like doom to use amyethyst lol

[near widget]

meh i dont have a tbow yet

so im not really using arrows anywhere

so might as well use dragon arrows there

before I get my tbow we can craft d arrows xD

just hunting magus at duke*

[near widget]

\

seems the submission RNG has activated xD

[near widget]

oh yes it has

[slim quest]

just set left click to bury using RL, or shift click

[narrow folio]

I think he means directly on the ground not from inventory like bryophyta

[chrome lantern]

This is something that Jagex did talk about at some point

[near widget]

given that bonecrusher is a thing i dont really see it coming

[round lintel]

any reason im getting more dossiers than i got in my first 300 solos?

xdd

feels like gridmaster

is kinda annoying

[distant sigil]

has anyone suggested a customize salvaging table? like you can choose what you want to keep/discard before it stacks up in your invo?

could be like a lvl 70+ upgrade to the normal salvaging table

[tacit wharf]

but why

[rich cypress]

So you want similar to the RS3 looting system... No ty.

[kind surge]

what rs3 system

rs3 doesn't have that

if you mean the spring cleaner, I suppose

that's more for auto-alching alchables which is different

but we don't need salvaging to be more afk than it is

[distant sigil]

I haven’t played rs3 since 2012 so miss me with that shiiiii

[rich cypress]

You can click, stack up items in the second interface and then click only on the items you want to pickup @kind surge . (rs3)

Don't need it anymore afk 100%

[kind surge]

I mean you can just click to pick up what you want in osrs

if anything it's so much easier in runelite because you can use ground items to prevent picking up unwanted items altogether

[warm storm]

the respawn time for the shellbane gryphon seems very overtuned. waiting 18 seconds for a boss that doesn't take much longer than that to kill feels bad, and results in constantly resetting the instance if you want to kill it as fast as possible

[hasty shard]

^^

if theres some concern about early players getting overwhelmed by the respawn time, just make respawning gull tied to rattling the nearby nest or something (like attacking vard/poking wisp)

[warm storm]

or araxxor for a slayer equivalent. lots of options

[blissful topaz]

could F2P players get use for "stardust" mined from shooting stars? at lower rates obviously

[ember token]

like what?

certainly not bags of gems or clay packs

[tender peak]

I could see the Celestial Ring being F2P

[narrow folio]

Gems and clay are f2p no?

Dont see why not

[ember token]

🤖

[narrow folio]

I dont think that would be worth botting and updates shouldnt be gatekept only because bots might abuse it

[ember token]

nothing in F2P is worth botting

[chrome lantern]

But it's a free acc

[ember token]

but there's no requirements to play in F2P and therefore 95% of f2p is bots

[narrow folio]

Theyd be better off just mining something else to sell instead of taking ages at stars

This would help bring a nice benefit for real players. Of course they could also bond up and cash out in members but this is still nice

[ember token]

you dont have to compete for stars

there can only be so many bots taking up spots at a mine, but no real limit on how many can be mining a shooting star

[narrow folio]

Add total level req to the shop then

[ember token]

either way it's irrelevant - Jagex will continue not adding content to F2P because they know it's almost all bots

[chrome lantern]

It's also worth noting that aside from not being able to spend stardust, stars are already nerfed in F2P. I don't see a reason that Jagex would buff them when they've been explicitly nerfed in F2P

[narrow folio]

Adding more things to f2p is also a way to draw in more players who might eventually go to members

[ember token]

lol

[narrow folio]

Not anything big but for example opening every skill and capping the level or little expansions like the ice mountain area

Give it a real trial for members

[ember token]

something like that yeah maybe

letting people buy bags of clay with stardust, that's drawing in a fat zero

[meager flame]

the boss should just not attack instantly and respawn fast

idk why jagex is so afraid of doing this lol

theres only a few really specific places like gwd where the gameplay partially revolves around the bosses attacking immediately

[latent dune]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/HN4Zaotwp1 What do you guys think of this?

[tacit wharf]

would need some big changed to slayer tasks like, removing the ability to turael skip/blocks lists/lower quantity given per task

having a konar specific location that they need to be killed
boss monsters being their own specific tasks

[chrome lantern]

idk if this is the right change but there is a desperate need for literally any alternative method to interact with the Slayer skill than the current task system

[narrow folio]

I want streaking to be more rewarding

[tacit wharf]

it would be if turael wasnt a thing

[hollow pumice]

i'd like to see more individual streaks like krystillia has

[jagged marsh]

It's too much of a departure from Slayer and devalues task weighting

Average weight tasks will disproportionately take up most of the slots, and you'll still need to turael skip to refresh the board

[tranquil river]

You cant cast veng other on mobile for some reason. If you click the spell you have to force close the app.

[torpid delta]

turn the cancel button back on in settings

fixes that issue

[ember grove]

I think they need to add more bursting/vbow spots in the catacombs as is and that exacerbating this problem is a bad idea, but slayer is such an awful skill to lock content behind that I'd take almost anything to not have to skip for bosses

[hasty shard]

they need to remove catacombs tf

shit is just the original stronghold slayer cave idk why it still exists how it is

[tacit wharf]

problem is, its the only plalce to burst so many different slayer monsters (nechs/abby semons/bloodvelds)

[hasty shard]

there have been alternatives for quite a while lol
i think besides abby demons there are spots for nechs/velds with sailing now

(even then velds had meyerditch labs)

[icy relic]

Meiyerditch is goated

[minor whale]

Those all have pretty bad alternatives when Catacombs is at least better designed than OG slayer caves

[hasty shard]

if you mean multi zones and stronger mobs then yeah ig

slayer tower pains me so much

its just like they "started" dismantling catacombs in like 2021 with giants den and we've gotten nothing since 😭

ig we have to wait for them to actually put in the effort once kourend gm quest is a thing and they rework lova/arc

it was so funny in like leagues 4 when they tried to argue that it wasn't actually a slayer area

[hasty shard]

oh yeah sailing kurask/fire giant spots are goated

[silent shuttle]

Iirc theyre basically only two areas that are somewhat the same as on release kourend

And on release kourend was.... bad so yeah they really need to touch those up soon

[hasty shard]

I think catacombs currently should only really have undead creatures + infernal demons, for the whole catacombs element and the slight zamorakian stuff going on in kingstown

that or just give dark shards/totems to chasm of fire demons lol

[silent shuttle]

Yeah i think the problem with making catacombs smaller is thar theres gonna be less shard sources

On the subject of arceus and lova tho

Kinda wish lova had some content youd come back to like tithe farm, artifact stealing or the library

It kinda just got toxic fumes and a bunch of lava

[hasty shard]

it does have blast mine but eh

[silent shuttle]

Ah yeah blast mine

They did make it a better at some point

[chrome lantern]

Blast mine is lowkey kinda cracked

100k xp/hr