game-update

[chrome lantern]

It's 100% the exact same parallel

[fringe rivet]

I already told you I'm not you dingus

[chrome lantern]

You're not what

Genuinely asking, I'm very confused at this point

[tacit wharf]

just because the tasks are on your way, doesnt mean they are worth taking, when your routing, like only taking middle tasks to prif instead of including roberts

there are little things that save time and increase yr xp

[meager flame]

this is why its so complicated too though

[fringe rivet]

Hmm

Yea, you'd think taking extra cargo along the way would be beneficial

[tacit wharf]

right because roberts could be the mor efficient route at times over prif

[meager flame]

because the closer you want to get to an actual optimal route the harder you're going to have to go in figuring out the exact tick perfect routes how fast you can get to a board vs how close you are and which port this is

and suddenly you end up with like an incredible number of data points/moving parts

[fringe rivet]

which just makes self-salvage all the more compelling

[meager flame]

you'd have to make it a little dumb basically

you could still get a plugin to be mostly right

idr who i was even talking to but thats why i told them port tasks are more complicated than trials to do well

definitely just a go in circles angle lol

i also dont know exactly how the boards work

like are they 100% static and rotate

or would you have to start doing stuff like figuring out the odds that a certain courier task will be there

[fringe rivet]

port tasks are not harder mechanically, but they do require a bit more brain power

gah

welcome to afk-scape

[meager flame]

but you know what would kinda fix this

if players were just doing cargo to get some item rewards and were happy with some exp along the way

[heavy ledge]

There are 2 tips/guides on the wiki I linked up here for tasks btw

[fringe rivet]

depends on what the loot is, cuz salvage* rewards aren't to bad

[heavy ledge]

And boy are they complicated

[meager flame]

i mean almost all salvage rewards get dropped

theres a few important ones though or some nicely stacking ones

[fringe rivet]

snapdragons, c-balls, plat tokens, coins

honestly

[meager flame]

unfortunately for those they're not actually very competitive like

[fringe rivet]

when I look at the salvage rates vs courier rates, the current nerfs look far more warranted

[meager flame]

its cool that they're stacking in your inventory but if you cared about getting those things

you'd get off your ship and never come back

[chrome lantern]

I banked like 650 red topaz but I probably wouldn't with the nerf to crew xp now

[heavy ledge]

Not many (no?) skills are balanced around having a mid tier option unless there's another thing going than just xp vs afk, so idk why sailing needs that tbh

[fringe rivet]

cuz Port Tasks are supposed to be the "bread and butter" of sailing

[heavy ledge]

so make them worthwhile?

[meager flame]

they easily could be if they just supplied the things people need

[heavy ledge]

instead of making the other stuff shit?

[meager flame]

especially for irons

its easy too because rn you kinda cant get the stuff you need for sailing combat/upgrades without a kind of insane process

so they could just fill in

[fringe rivet]

because if they buff courier runs to much, they could end up being better than trials

[meager flame]

like lets say you were actually going to do a ton of boat combat atm

and actually make repair kits

[fringe rivet]

and if they then have to buff trials to compensate, well, then we'd just have to much exp

[heavy ledge]

make trials be sweaty xp meta, port tasks mid gp/items meta, and slavage afk meta

[meager flame]

it is actually unhinged what it takes to make those nails chop those trees get the planks and then put it all together

so if you could do those tasks to get a decent supply of repair kits

that would be huge

[heavy ledge]

We're saying that xp buffs are not the only tools in their arsenal

[fringe rivet]

Last time they nerfed salvage you saw what happened

tomorrow self-salvage will only get a 5% nerf compared to pre-nerf

[heavy ledge]

They realized it was a mistake and are planning to revert it?

[fringe rivet]

making it basically the same as current courier runs exp wise

[meager flame]

i kinda think the sailing economy though will just take a bit of time to really sink in

like most of us on irons that got 99 sailing etc have an entire account history of getting maxed and stacking a lot of those supplies up somewhere so it doesn't appear that crazy at a glance

but when we start running out its going to hit hard

[heavy ledge]

There are literally guides on the wiki saying they're 200k/hr methods, and at least 180k-ish

[fringe rivet]

it's very rng heavy to reach those amounts

and uses a lot of brain power to plan them

the 200k is ideal with rosewood

[meager flame]

like i have tons of rune bars and ore but i certainly dont have enough or gather enough to last for rune cannonballs forever from this point

[heavy ledge]

here you go [[Guide:Sailing Training: Courier Tasks 200k/hr+]] [[Guide:Courier Task Optimizations (Getting max XP)]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Guide:Sailing_Training:_Courier_Tasks_200k/hr%2B
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Guide:Courier_Task_Optimizations_(Getting_max_XP)

[heavy ledge]

so wait for the inevitable plugin or use that brain for the mid tier method you want?

[meager flame]

the actual crazy people thing with sailing is that rosewood repair kits are a real thing

[heavy ledge]

you're not saying it doesn't exist as competitive, you're saying it's not competitive for what you want it to be

[fringe rivet]

that's what I was doing earlier

[meager flame]

they're basically onyx bolts

nobody will ever make them until they start dropping premade lol

[chrome lantern]

But they heal 5 more!

[fringe rivet]

the plugins already exist mate

and it's like

why go through all that trouble when I could do trials for less effort? It's static, not random or crazy

[heavy ledge]

then do that? Idk what to say man, mid tier methods are mids

[fringe rivet]

Mid yet requires more effort

and under ideal conditions

and costs more to get your foot in the door

[chrome lantern]

Doing a method for less than an hour and claiming it's a representative rate is kinda wild though, especially with a method balanced on the variance of port tasks

[heavy ledge]

Less clicks, more brain. depends on how you describe "effort"

[fringe rivet]

and more expensive

don't need a teleport focus for trials

and skiffs are 1/10 of the cost to build a good boat

[tender peak]

you uh

[heavy ledge]

sounds like the mids method just has too high of a barrier for entry then idk

[tender peak]

you don't need a sloop for port tasks

[fringe rivet]

but more crew means they can carry more cargo at once

[meager flame]

i think they might have a higher top speed too

so that may actually matter

[limber briar]

you stil get all crew to help

[fringe rivet]

they're the same actually, at the same tiers

[limber briar]

that's what they were trying to tell you earlier but you were all offended to read it

or comprehend it

[fringe rivet]

who are you again?

[tender peak]

who am I

[kind surge]

nice talk

no one's gonna take you seriously

[meager flame]

oh actually they do have the same speed cap but only if you have a rosewood skiff

[fringe rivet]

i am thou

[meager flame]

all sloops actually have a cap of 3.5

[fringe rivet]

thou art i

[meager flame]

but only the rosewood skiff has the 3.5 top speed

[heavy ledge]

reddit says sloop has 0.5 higher top speed, ye reddit seems to be wrong, big surprise there lol. wiki says both have speed of 3.0 fockin hell the wiki pages for sloops/skiffs have different speeds than the wiki pages for the individual rosewood boats please don't look at my shame I need to take a break from this lmao

[tender peak]

it's a lot easier to hit coastal rapids in a sloop or even a raft

[meager flame]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rosewood_hull#Raft

im just looking at this

this could also be wrong since its all new

[gray summit]

wish jagex would mage salvage notable so i can drop it all at once

[meager flame]

but if it is right basically tldr do not use a skiff unless its rosewood

[gray summit]

its quicker ot bank it when i salvage and do bounty tasks at sametime

[heavy ledge]

yeh the wiki pages I was originally looking at had base speed, but no top speed so I misread the bases as tops since they're just labeled "speed"

[tender peak]

the humble incinerator:

[gray summit]

^i always forget about that

hell eyah ty

[heavy ledge]

rosewood sloop has highest base speed tho

[gray summit]

isnt raft higher?

[heavy ledge]

all rosewood hulls have same base speed im way too tired to be talking in this channel lmao

[fringe rivet]

raft is a moot point cuz only 1 slot for facilities

you'd want both extractor and wind catcher no matter what

[gray summit]

bros like rosewood sloop has highest base speed and thern says all rosewoods have same base speed and is tired to teaching

lmao

[heavy ledge]

alright tldr, I think if you want a mids method they should make sure courier tasks are around 150k+ xp/hr and maybe add rewards or nerf reqs

[heavy ledge]

the wiki link is right there for everyone

I was looking at a few different pages and confusing myself because they have different numbers in different spots

[gray summit]

yes trhats all of us

[heavy ledge]

and also labeled differently to make things even more clear 🙂

[proven notch]

When is this update going live?

[tacit wharf]

probably when updates usually go live or after

[frail bough]

i think they said it in the blog

[bronze kernel]

You don't need the space for them onboard. They pop up on the deck to help you load up regardless of what the capacity is

I use a skiff and have 3 Crewmates and they all help me out

Although if there is one thing I might change, it make it so the number of crates they carry = deckhandiness

[bronze kernel]

And honestly, it's not that much brain power if you only take a simple path you always take

[nocturne solstice]

The crates they carry are tied to their deckhandiness though 🤔

[bronze kernel]

At level 70, you can just braindead only go Aldarin > Deepfin > Tyras > Prif

[bronze kernel]

Yes, Level 1 and 2 are one. 3 and 4 are two

I am talking about basically a buff

[nocturne solstice]

oh you mean like a 1:1 type deal?

[bronze kernel]

Yes

[nocturne solstice]

fair fair

[bronze kernel]

I feel that's also a major annoyance with the large amount of back and forth you need to load and unload

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think its super necessary since with more crewmates you hit like 6+ anyway but it can work.

[bronze kernel]

Makes it easier to get a max cargo load at a lower level

Higher level stuff have 8 crates. But you won't get that until 85 when you can get 4 Crewmates.

Even buffing Deckhand 4 to be 3 crates would be nice

Lets you get the max number of cargo of 8 in one go at 70

Oh, seems there are some that can go up to 9.

[nocturne solstice]

oof

lotta crates

[bronze kernel]

But those don't seem like ones you could pick up anyway

[nocturne solstice]

i think as long as its doable in 2 trips its fine. But I wouldnt complain if it could all be done with 1 trip tbh

since we still have that slow actual delivery part we gotta do so its whatevs

[bronze kernel]

And I would think more compensation besides just GP could be worthwhile.

Tie it to a rewards system or something based on the number of tasks you complete?

Although trying to retroactively provide stuff and balance it might be awkward depending on how it's implemented

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah the gp isnt stellar

[subtle merlin]

i really want pearl bolts to work well for sailing combat, give them a 15% proc chance and deal 10% of the monsters hp with a chance to deal damage to your boat. it would be a cool way to give life to them and be thematic. Lightning strikes in the ocean kill a lot of sea creatures irl... (numbers may need a fine tuning)

[fringe rivet]

honestly seems like an oversight

[fringe rivet]

but then you lose out the exp, making self-salvage about the same exp for still less effort

[narrow folio]

Can we please make the other gems puttable in the gem bag

im begging

[tender peak]

no. In fact, you lose gem bag privileges for the day

[charred halo]

so reading all that update still seems bad. your best crew mate is now 40% of the xp + no direct mention on whether the salvaging rate revert applies to your crew? over all slightly better but still no faith in jmods with how often they universally piss off players with extremely bad takes just to have to release an apology.

[tacit wharf]

then apply to jagex and do better

[charred halo]

the way the uk is now it'd genuinely be safer and better to live in a 3rd world country. ill pass

[fringe rivet]

bring a chisel, turn the topaz into tips

[amber star]

They should add “knows basic computation” on their job description since they don’t know what 600xp x 60 clicks is after 3 years of development

[fringe rivet]

🙄

haven't heard that one before

[amber star]

Ok?

[quiet plank]

#1379981537881358547

The game update channel is for talking about new updates. All the suggestions are the in suggestions channel and there is already this one for gem bag

[subtle merlin]

what is the best way to kill armored krakens? the addy cannon is so inaccurate (no mega rares.... most expensive item i have is bowfa with full crystal)

[hasty shard]

bowfa

[subtle merlin]

it stays out of range of good range weps like atlatl or rune knives with elite void.. i dont know why those punch so hard in saling...

[meager flame]

i still cant believe that is even a topic

like

just why lmao why do cannons need to do shit dps so bad we create mechanics around making sure normal weapons cant even really do anything

and then tune cannons to be so bad you still kinda wanna use the regular weapons

like

couldn't they have just increased npc hp and made cannons hit harder

the whole thing seems weirdly designed to be the least exciting

[subtle merlin]

im mad they are worried about xp when the combat is just bad...

[amber star]

Wonder what they were doing for 3 years

[meager flame]

i just dont really get the logic

it seems like they just made an additional step for no reason by putting a big filter over everything

when they could've just made cannons do damage

[amber star]

Nah that makes too much sense

[meager flame]

its not even like they're really competing as is either

you still shoot your regular weapon and the cannons

[icy relic]

They can always tune the numbers up later once there is a boss or actual endgame; what bothers me is how they just slapped a super rare item on every mob

And are like ok go grind them if you want to upgrade your boat, don't ask what happens if you build them on the wrong ship that can't be used for future content X

[chrome lantern]

If I fired all the rune cballs I've gotten from 3k frost dragons and 1.5k vampire kraken I would've run out 1300 krakens ago

[meager flame]

ya this is an additional layer of nonsense though

[subtle merlin]

wish i had the 44m to waste on a bottled storm, really dont wanna be hunting these

[meager flame]

where for some reason cannonballs are treated like

[icy relic]

Just getting one rosewood skiff and sloop is 900 nails not even counting sails or any of the other upgrades

[chrome lantern]

Good thing they got infinitely worse to grind out now!

[limber briar]

bottled storm is useless atm imo

[meager flame]

honestly we dont even have anything treated this horribly as a resource

[chrome lantern]

I have two, it's very useful but not needed at all

[icy relic]

No other skill is treated like this

Imagine if you had to go kill 3k of some slayer mob to get rejuv pool

[chrome lantern]

It's one of the only things from Sailing that actually makes any impact beyond getting 99

[meager flame]

maybe you could argue something really almost irrelevant is as bad as cannonballs atm

[subtle merlin]

was happily grinding out to vampire kraken until the changes to salvaging

[limber briar]

i have 1 and refuse to use it till they give me a reason/i know which boat

[meager flame]

like sanfews on an iron

those are pretty annoying

[amber star]

Sailing is a glorified mini game tbh

[meager flame]

but they're also an alternative to two potions we can stack a billion of

[limber briar]

what use is it impacting?

[chrome lantern]

Well my plan is to have 5 when they make killing vampire kraken eventually so all the boats

[limber briar]

honestly asking not trying to pick a fight^

lol

[meager flame]

ya this is my strat

im currently assembling exodia for my ship but not actually installing anything

[icy relic]

Well for one

[chrome lantern]

Well, for one thing, getting to islands. There's a very good Red salamander hunter rumors spot, and the charred isle has burstable regular nechryael which have a lot less hp and different drops (a lot of seeds for irons, too), also lava wyrms if you're going for boat upgrades on-task

[meager flame]

because jagex has been so insane its like

[icy relic]

You can actually use a bank to load up your ship

[subtle merlin]

only 1k left to go about

[meager flame]

a bad idea to actually invest in putting anything in

[chrome lantern]

But also they put clues on obscure islands

[meager flame]

or firing my cannonballs

[icy relic]

Teleport it to where you want it and then you can use that as a mobile bank

[meager flame]

im just kinda hoping that i can kill enough time that jagex actually does at least a minimal sweep over combat

[limber briar]

So clues that I don't really do so i'll just hold till i need it

[meager flame]

before i go waste time and effort on it basically

[chrome lantern]

Point is that none of the ship upgrades have literally any impact outside sailing except fish, arma brew, and bottled storm

[amber star]

I wouldn’t hold my breath for any meaningful update until after the new year

[meager flame]

i mean its bad enough that they flat out told people they'd rather us not do combat

which is kinda wild lol

so i'd assume they at least do something before they leave

if they dont thats just like

the biggest mistake they will have made so far

[chrome lantern]

I expect nothing on it tomorrow unfort

[limber briar]

didn't they say no to ship combat till next year in the wednesday blog

[meager flame]

they said they wont do a massive rework in a reddit reply until next year

[subtle merlin]

did they add dragon brutal arrows with dragon nails?

[meager flame]

thats not the same as doing nothing though

[subtle merlin]

lol nope

[chrome lantern]

Did they really

That's beyond absurd that
a.) They made that statement
b.) They have conveyed that information in 0 other means

[meager flame]

not in those words exactly but basically it said yeah we're leaving for holiday soon so dont expect anything big to change until next year

[chrome lantern]

Actually insane

Why can't they just

Actually communicate using any reasonable or official channels

Especially for major statements like that

[hasty shard]

designing things with the concept of people not actually doing it

lol

[meager flame]

i honestly agree its insane even if they said it properly or do tomorrow

[hasty shard]

lets add walking on glass shards to the game

this will fix skilling

[meager flame]

combat being dogwater should've been what they worked on for the past 2 weeks and the upcoming week

[pure gorge]

what's UK holiday like, 1 month?

or 2 weeks?

[meager flame]

not sure

im sure they have the expected time off plus people stacking vacation etc

i'd expect people to be back by the second week of january though

just based on when jagex usually releases stuff

[limber briar]

i'm sure next week is christmas event plus miscellaneous sailing changes

[tacit wharf]

typically the 15th to jan 2, they take off

[meager flame]

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1pe5hb7/an_update_on_the_sailing_xp_review/nsa0kqh/?context=3

thats the context btw

[pure gorge]

i mean, sucks but thats a fair statement

[meager flame]

i think the part to be critical over is basically how they kind of wasted the past two weeks

i know they'd say they didn't but like

[tacit wharf]

"next year" as in after the first of the year thing

[meager flame]

their changes didn't really impact the things people actually cared about

[tender peak]

they can't exactly stop all their employees from taking PTO

Combat was never going to be a quick fix, let's be real here

[chrome lantern]

What did they even change in the last week other than xp and salvaging rates

[meager flame]

they basically just had two weeks of "heres our change oops our bad heres a revert or what we should've done" and its like

[chrome lantern]

Task-only frost dragons and spawn rates and that's it

[meager flame]

yeah but what about the things we've all been asking about for 2 weeks

[amber star]

At my company, if I released a half assed landscape change of an update before holiday, I prolly wouldn’t be able to go on holiday

[limber briar]

they also fixed great white sharks not dropping other dragon stuff

[chrome lantern]

Oh I forgot about that because there's a 0% chance I kill them as they exist right now

[meager flame]

im not trying to say they shouldn't go on vacation because they should

im just annoyed that the last couple weeks weren't really doing much for actually playing the game

just a bunch of nonsense

[amber star]

I agree

[hasty shard]

almost like sailing shouldve been delayed

[limber briar]

sadly i have 1943 kc for 1 broken dragon hook

pre dragon changes

[chrome lantern]

Now you get to kill 1200 frost dragons to use it!

[limber briar]

already did

[amber star]

I feel more like they shouldn’t push the backlog so heavily because they’re going on a vacation though

[limber briar]

took 1800

[subtle merlin]

i just hate how much weapons do squat other than a mega rare in sailing... was attempting to use dark bow special. it hit a 3 and a 1. i thought the damage was minimum 5 with dragon arrows...

[chrome lantern]

Even better!

[tender peak]

There's really not much we know about what's going on behind closed doors. We know what released, not what they worked on

[limber briar]

1884 for 6 dragon metal sheets

[tender peak]

They should have released more

[meager flame]

they've still got a week though

[tender peak]

but we can't fault them for something we do not know the details of

[meager flame]

they could give us some spot changes and some rates meant for human beings to wait for next year with still

so all hope isn't quite lost yet

[amber star]

I mean the recent updates are changes to stuff they should have heavily tested over the last few year already which pushes things like combat further down the backlog

Which also should’ve been worked and fine tuned

[chrome lantern]

I've also heard talk that the on-task sheet rates seem bugged? Anyone know anything about that? Had a clanmate go "7x" for a sheet on-task at frosts and heard people in multiple discords talking about it

[meager flame]

wouldn't be surprised

[chrome lantern]

And also at wyrms

[meager flame]

i saw people trying to test if tasks were buffed and they couldn't tell all last week

you'd think it would be obvious considering their stated difference

[austere mulch]

seens tons of comments on this

[chrome lantern]

Honestly if that's true and they don't make any fixes on that tomorrow

I don't even think I'll touch Sailing until the next week's update lmao

Because I don't want to kill krakens anymore

[meager flame]

i mean tomorrow is a stretch but yeah im assuming next update is the last one for the year

[chrome lantern]

I don't want to kill dragons anymore

[austere mulch]

combat not getting touched until next year unfort

[tender peak]

Etube pacifism arc?

[austere mulch]

might as well send the cannonballs

[subtle merlin]

... my char model after the revert btw... same on official client.

[chrome lantern]

Well the intent was to do imbued heart hunting and get sheets on the way

But now it sounds like I'm trolling

[chrome lantern]

One of the drinks does this while charting

[hasty shard]

keep it

[meager flame]

tbh its kind of more of an excuse to just get off the boat lol in general

[hasty shard]

rare account

[chrome lantern]

Or do you mean the mouth

Nvm the mouth is a bit bad

[winged mantle]

I'm planning on getting the sailing lvl for falo and master steps then I'm out

[tender peak]

the mouth thing just happens sometimes

[meager flame]

maybe i'll try to figure out the most passive afk form of killing frost dragons that uses no extended antifires

to go with my salvage afk to 2 cannon barrels

[chrome lantern]

I just don't really care about the skill at all anymore despite wanting to re-max Jagex has deleted pretty much all my motivation tbh

[limber briar]

can't wait to go dry on these 2 cannon barrels

[austere mulch]

arent they doing a survey on overall drop rates?

[meager flame]

supposedly

[austere mulch]

id copium wait ngl

[meager flame]

i mean im already 1 cannon in and at 15m exp

[austere mulch]

and hit up drags for nails

fair

[meager flame]

whatever happens to me now happens

[chrome lantern]

I got 3 barrels >.>

Not even worth trying to use them anymore

[subtle merlin]

100% how i feel, i was having a blast...

[meager flame]

i mean my cannon is sitting in my bank

[chrome lantern]

Because of how trash ship combat is and getting rid of safespots

[meager flame]

until they explain to me how moving it around wont be awful

[chrome lantern]

Oh, I have both built

[austere mulch]

theres a working safespot for krakens again

but its 1 cannon firing not 2

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that's good to know but massively disappointing

[meager flame]

i cant believe they actually nerfed the safespots

[chrome lantern]

Can you DM it to me

[austere mulch]

at least the shark one is working

[meager flame]

like what was even the point of them doing that

"yeah we know combat sucks rn and we'd rather you not do that yet but hey heres a nerf"

[chrome lantern]

To be clear I did assume the 0-cannon NPC safespot would still worlk

But I'm surprised as this is the first I've heard of any cannon safespots, obviously the update hasn't been that long ago though

[austere mulch]

got you

[round lintel]

Alright lets move armour krakens here

[chrome lantern]

Do they attack you

[round lintel]

yes

[chrome lantern]

Not worth anything but funny lmao

[round lintel]

and I can loot it too

[meager flame]

tbh

i wish i could just get off my ship and fight krakens

just make me wear flippers or whatever

lmao

[limber briar]

has anyone tried nox hally? loool

[round lintel]

guess ud have to be very close to it

[bronze kernel]

Honestly, it's not that hard to make a route. And you can easily make a very simple route that doesn't need a lot of detours

[meager flame]

the whole thing is so funny because your ships dps is so bad that you're just sitting there like

wait until i get off of this boat

and you'd think your cannons would be thematically strong enough or whatever that it wouldn't feel like that

straight up feels like you're fighting npcs with your hands tied behind your back

[fringe rivet]

the courier tasks rotate and are a little rng focused

[chrome lantern]

Pretty sure halberds don't work even if close

[fringe rivet]

doing a route like you suggests makes it comparable to the salvage r ates they are going to implement tomorrow

But I'll test it again tomorrow

[subtle merlin]

yea just cant get into playing atm

[fringe rivet]

I did notice some new tasks were added

[austere mulch]

v much looking forward to salvaging out the rest of 99 ngl

[bronze kernel]

Biggest hurdle with port tasks is how to make them not suck if you do not have a good boat

[round lintel]

b3b boss tasks with the slayer cape

Bandos, into kraken into sarachnis

[austere mulch]

just afking sharks until tmmrw to maybe grab some logs

[round lintel]

first time ever

[bronze kernel]

I don't mind them now that I have a decent boat (Camphor hull and sails. Could boost for ironwood sails)

[fringe rivet]

I think the issue is they're afraid of touching salvage and trials now, so there is almost no room to balance out port tasks

it's awkardly stuck in the middle and desirable by neither

[bronze kernel]

Just add rewards to port tasks that isn't just GP and a paint

[austere mulch]

port apparently caps around 200k xp but is very much a brain involved activity

[fringe rivet]

depends on what the rewards are

salvage gives me rewards

[austere mulch]

from what it sounds like

[bronze kernel]

Or increase the GP for completing it

[fringe rivet]

it'd have to be better than what salvage gives

[meager flame]

yeah i haven't looked into it too deeply but i imagine you probably have a list of like

[analog crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1pejt4z/want_port_tasks_to_be_more_rewarding_just_give/

[bronze kernel]

Instead of a 1:1 ratio of XP to GP, make them like 3:1

[meager flame]

route variants that you're looking out for and when you might do them

[analog crow]

Pretty sick suggestion

[meager flame]

and that's already more complicated than just sail in circles for big exp drop

[austere mulch]

ye p much and you reset boards by spamming quick but still decent xp tasks

priff tele shortcuts and rosewood hard carry the xp

[hasty shard]

this table is so random 😭

[meager flame]

mixed hide

[fringe rivet]

100k for clicking once every 3 minutes?
or
100k for doing courier runs?

[bronze kernel]

I'm down for this

[hasty shard]

wtf do you mean mixed hide base 1 dose regens and dragon swrod

[meager flame]

thats definitely the "this was supposed to be huey hide but we cant actually give you something nice"

so they pulled mixed hide instead

the one below it is probably dhide lol

[chrome lantern]

It's funny because the camphor crate gives better material xd yeah

Black d'hide

[meager flame]

ya lol

[chrome lantern]

Leather even

Huge for the Sailing-locked accs

[austere mulch]

swamplettics licking his lips rn

[meager flame]

tbh i feel like those could've probably just been better in general

i dont think i've ever even seen one above mahogany

and i've basically been on a ship for 2 weeks

[chrome lantern]

I haven't either but they allegedly have higher tier with sailing level

[ember token]

technically mixed hide base is more valuable than black dragon leather in every way

[chrome lantern]

The last ones I saw were all wooden

Yeah just a lower tier of gear

But worth more gp

[ember token]

yes, iirc, you need 95+ sailing to have a chance to find ironwood crates

[austere mulch]

ive seen one ironwood crate but stopped looting crates after like 20 pieces of junk and didnt know each had its own loot table

[chrome lantern]

Well that would explain why I've never seen one, but I don't think I've ever seen mahogany or camphor either

[meager flame]

i wonder what the rate for them is if you were to actually go get the right keg and everything

[chrome lantern]

Just the kraken one right

And set sail

[meager flame]

i know i saw a couple of mahogany at 99 letting my main use my skiff

so if you were to just move around all day with some plugins to alert you

you might actually be able to get some

lmao oh no

this might turn into pokemon tech where people used to find the longest straight line and put something on their gameboy

to try to hatch eggs

[chrome lantern]

This one would have to balance NPC aggro as well

[austere mulch]

cloggers alrdy doing that while salvaging

to get pearls

[chrome lantern]

How are they doing it while salvaging when you need to be still, are they just circling the wreck lmao

[austere mulch]

fill cargo > click straght > sort > click back > sort > salvage

and hopium on the drives

[meager flame]

lmao

[chrome lantern]

I see

[meager flame]

oh man i think i see the line too

look at how much space that is with nothing in the water right at the edges

sounds like afk event farming to me

[chrome lantern]

If you do it in the south you'll sail into the inaccessible oceans

[ember token]

i got multiple pearls doing mercenary shipwrecks from needing to move around because no double spots, and that was without moving around while sorting

[chrome lantern]

If you do it in the north you'll do that and run through numerous kraken

[meager flame]

yeah you'll need a timer to not die on accident

there might be a north to south route too but like

[bronze kernel]

Maybe do the Western Ocean?

[meager flame]

someone is gonna have to test that one bc theres a lot of stuff in the ocean

[bronze kernel]

The sea is pretty clear between Priff and Varlamore

[chrome lantern]

I've ignored my clams and have 0 regret because I'm not ragging my inventory for a small amount of gp and clogs

[ember token]

no need to rag your inventory as you can just use equippable items for it

[chrome lantern]

Point still stands

[ember token]

yeah i know you dont care about clogs

[chrome lantern]

Also even if I wanted to there's not really anything I'd sacrifice for the top tier pearls

[ember token]

oh yea you're an iron too

[bronze kernel]

Just buy a massive stack of blessed spirit shields and make 500K profit from alching the pearl

[meager flame]

i'd have to look at the list of items for the pearl but like

[austere mulch]

dont tell jagex, interracting with the pearl is 4t so this is a 800m/hr method

[chrome lantern]

I don't really intend to go for another elixir it took me 234 for this one

[meager flame]

i assume it would end up being a dupe justi piece

or something like that

[chrome lantern]

Nah Elidinis' ward is the obvious one for just cloggers I think on irons but you lose a lot of gp on the alch

[austere mulch]

hope you made the arcane but respect for ely on iron flex if u didnt

[tacit wharf]

i just bought a shield right half and dragon metal shard for the 2 big pearls

[chrome lantern]

Ward (f)

Doesn't use elixir

[austere mulch]

oh true

win win

[chrome lantern]

Or spirit shield

I got the arcane on 46kc the week after ToA released and like the day after I got my ward

Ely was like 2 years later on 113 kc

[meager flame]

im still coping hoping for a corp solo mode or something one day

trying to avoid that content

[chrome lantern]

Also again cba with all the effort for a tiny amount of gp

[hasty shard]

effective 0m/hr because you could just never have clam spawn again

[tender peak]

me fr

I gave a clam a repair kit on day 1 and have yet to see another clam

bro just stole my repair kit

[novel egret]

purposefully writing this in the blog is so stupid and makes jagex look so incompetent it's kind of laughable

[warm storm]

would u rather they lie?

the community already discovered the bug and why drops rates are like that

[analog crow]

It's to their credit that they own up to it

No other game company would be as forthcoming with its players as jagex is

[novel egret]

sure, it just makes them look incompetent which i find silly

[warm storm]

the seemingly lacking QA is another topic but admitting mistakes and making them better improves my trust in the company, personally

[analog crow]

It would make them seem incompetent if they didn't admit it
You've got it backwards

[novel egret]

admitting to your mistakes doesn't erase them. publishing wrong drop rates and choosing not to fix them is still incompetency in my eyes

[sacred bobcat]

Jagex is so forthcoming that we're still waiting for actual player support outside of social media after over 20 years!

[warm storm]

the game would be SO much worse if the published droprates were hotfixed in

it's already not worth going out of your way for feathers otw to 99, for example

[sacred bobcat]

The drop rates for sailing items are absurd

[novel egret]

that's not my point lol

they still arent fixing the rates, they just left the ones that were bugged in our favor. check dragon cannon barrel, still 1/20k

[chrome lantern]

But what about the cannon barrel on a slayer task? Surely this would fix it?!? (I hate Jagex pushing everything into Slayer)

[novel egret]

i can't believe someone at gagek hq suggested that for frost dragon and it passed

[tacit wharf]

only if i get a free 2nd barrel and tassi goes 4x dry on his first or 2nd

[sacred bobcat]

I was just thinking how dead content salvaging will be once you're done leveling... if even that

The money is pathetic and chasing after the barrel is not going to bump it up much

[chrome lantern]

It kinda almost has a place if you just giga-rush all the salvaging reqs on a low level account

[sacred bobcat]

Even for pet you're better off doing deliveries

[chrome lantern]

Some of the loot is ok

[warm storm]

i actually just calced that. in max gear and with max efficiency, it starts to become more worth skipping for tasks if you want over ~40 dragon sheets

i'll be sticking to offtask personally

[tacit wharf]

well no da its bad gp, its suppose to be the afk option

[sacred bobcat]

Yeah some of it is but it's still very low gp/h

can't put red topaz in gem bag so the biggest portion of the loot is just thrown on the ground lol

[sacred bobcat]

I laughed at the OSRS mobile notification about "great loot and great xp" = salvaging

[chrome lantern]

I have banked like 700 red topaz from salvage

[ember token]

let us build a furnace on the ship and then you can craft red topaz jewellery as long as you bring a mould and chisel with you

[chrome lantern]

And then do what with it

[ember token]

efaritay's aid for the vampyre krakens obviously

[sacred bobcat]

If we can at some point teleport out and to our parked ship then you could actually start banking more stuff from it

[chrome lantern]

…If that actually works this would be insane lol

Has anyone tested?

[novel egret]

the problem is that sheets and nails are too rare to obtain, and the area is crowded. the task-only area only fixes the need to world hop but it's still a ridiculously long grind for no reason, no ship upgrade should single handedly take as long as that

[chrome lantern]

Are the areas really all that crowded anymore?

[tacit wharf]

frost dragons where pretty chill the last 2 days, not sure what yr sayin

[chrome lantern]

I never really took more than a couple minutes to find a world before the update

[warm storm]

the 4s respawn time pretty much fixed the crowding issues ime

[sacred bobcat]

Also Barracuda trials give no gp reward and the deliveries also give complete pittance gp/h as well

[tacit wharf]

so

[chrome lantern]

And now there’s twice as many that respawn 8x faster

[novel egret]

it was mad crowded, havent checked since a few days. my issue is the rarity not the crowd 🤦‍♀️

[sacred bobcat]

Making money from sailing activities itself barring trawling is obsolete

[tacit wharf]

under the assumption that everything needs to give you a fat stack of gp/hr is absurd

[sacred bobcat]

Well, okay, if you get lucky with combat drops 🥲

Never said that it needs to give "fat stack of gp/h"

[tacit wharf]

can they do a little more with port/bountry rewards, sure

[sacred bobcat]

But it's unrewarding as hell

[tacit wharf]

but salvage and bt, dont need reward increases

[chrome lantern]

I still kinda thing Jagex hit the nail on the head with one thing they said tbh; in one of the pre-release Q&A they said, if anything, they felt they may have been a bit too generous with salvaging

[tacit wharf]

(talking salvage normal loot)

[chrome lantern]

They were specifically talking xp/hr

But aside from hunting clog/barrels I don’t think it’s that far off for the rewards either, for what it is

Especially in the context of Sailing not being a gathering skill (utility), and the rewards of other methods like port tasks

And the very low activity required to salvage

That said

I think the active methods are just lackluster

[sacred bobcat]

If I'm topping at like 150k gp/h at 87 activity it's quite bad

[novel egret]

100%

[sacred bobcat]

Combat has so many afk options alone that go beyond it

[novel egret]

combat needs an entire rework, port task could see a lil more love too

🤷‍♀️

[chrome lantern]

I don’t even think that’s that bad for an afk method of a skill that isn’t even designed as a gathering skill though

[tacit wharf]

combat needs a few good tweeks

[sacred bobcat]

If that was meant for me I should clarify I meant regular land combat

[tacit wharf]

not a rework

[chrome lantern]

A lot of good tweaks

Ammo is a massive concern

For one

Targeting is massively annoying

Little to nothing you can do other than facetank or cheese safespots

[tender peak]

how many tweaks does it need before it becomes a rework

followup question, how many tweaks does it need before it becomes an overhaul

[fringe rivet]

a little love is stateing it lightly, they're just not worth doing in comparision to self-salvage

[chrome lantern]

Mithril cannonballs are the only reasonably obtainable cballs and the shops are always bought out, dragon cannonballs are literally twice the power but not remotely sustainable

In like 40-50 hours of stuff (not including token salvaging drops) that drops dragon cballs I have like 1100 of them that would vanish instantly, and even the rune are only like 3-4k

(Mostly 3k frost dragons and 1.5k vampire krakens)

[hard axle]

Without a combat-dedicated ship with 8 cannons in all directions, sloops need 270 degrees instead of 180 and a lot more damage.

[outer chasm]

Does the new update come out tonight at midnight for eastern time?

[tender peak]

just turn the damn boat man

we do not need a cannon panopticon

[tacit wharf]

why would the releae it first thing in the morning when they're not even in the office yet

[outer chasm]

It said 1700 utc I looked it up that’s midnight eastern time just wanted to make sure I was getting my times right

[tender peak]

1700 utc is noon eastern

[tacit wharf]

thats what time it is right now

[outer chasm]

Oops 😂

Thank you for clarifying brothers

[tacit wharf]

ever need to know, just look in-game

what time utc it is

[fringe rivet]

I was referring to courier runs. They're going to be barely any exp more than your typical self-salvaging

[outer chasm]

Damn learn something new every day didn’t notice they had the time on that tab

[fringe rivet]

Bounties could be argued that they should have lessor exp due to the chance of good loot, but screw that tbh

[tacit wharf]

very convent when converting timezones

[fringe rivet]

salvage is just so damn lazy and free exp, and it gives loot, the harder stuff should be at least a little more rewarding

[hard axle]

not exp enough with courier tasks or doing the right method either to say if it's better

but i've seen courier be the middle ground

[fringe rivet]

it's only the middle ground if you're lucky with rng, have rosewood gear, and do a-b-a ideally

otherwise it's like, 110k, while self-salvage is estimated to be about 100k tomorrow

self-salvage is clicking like once every 3 minutes in a calm, idle place

[sacred bobcat]

Bounties are already quite bad to me because it's RNG what you have on offer in the first place

[fringe rivet]

that is also true

I don't mind the concept of bounties, but I think I prefer a raw "kill X number of Y"

[sacred bobcat]

Yes

On the first day I spent over 30 mins trying to get mogre bounty item

just gave up on those right after haha

[round lintel]

7 ranarr seeds in less than 100 aquanites

seems like a really good way to get em without losing my finger at MF

[silent shuttle]

Same

Thought itd be good xp finally just to get the rude awakening that even bird drops for bounties were RNG

[sacred bobcat]

multi-items tended to be at least somewhat consistent but the "1/10" definitely didn't feel like that

although I did see people complain about not getting feathers at all and some people constantly getting the 1/10 drops so maybe it's just bugged out as well

[silent shuttle]

Or just luck being luck

Kinda stings to put together a cannon just for bounties to be RNG tho

Like i made myself bronze cannonballs and everything just to be like full on captain then got dissapointed with how little bounties i finished with so many cannonballs

[sacred bobcat]

yeah

Tried vampyre kraken at one point for fun and I think I spent 200 mithril cannonballs on like 5

It also sucks how much you need to adjust ship while crewmates will just keep firing cannon shots into the water, wasting ammo

[charred halo]

jagex should leave crew xp % at 70% only if you're also on a hook and actively engaging, full afk and letting crew manage both hooks is fine to be 40%/30% xp rates if they want to try move away from full afk methods.

another thing is that extractor is still 100% going to be something players feel like they need to use regardless of the nerf to xp so people can try get a close to possible as original rates.

[round lintel]

15 Ranarrs in one task is wild

[ancient nebula]

ok jagex its 6 am time to wake up and turn salvaging xp back on..

[subtle merlin]

doubt we are getting more back than we have.... just not sailing fo a while

[ornate sierra]

The hooks just cannot be 1/1023

[charred halo]

i have a feeling tonights update will be a fake if not negligible increased to the rates of actively salvaging a hook yourself + sorting (current nerfed rate is around 84k/h) with the 30% nerf to xp on all lvl 4 deckhandiness i expect at best after tonight xp/h salvaging might be 90k tops. i aint trusting jmods at all

[ornate sierra]

Have anyone seen broke dragon hook drop after the last update?

[tacit wharf]

yr not even 2x rate for yr 2nd

[ornate sierra]

+300kc on mobile so yes i am

[tacit wharf]

sorry, just over 2x rate then

[ornate sierra]

But the question is have anyone seen it drop after the update to the droptable? Or is it broken?

[dire mango]

Being just over 2x rate is not in conspiracy ranges of unlikely yet.

[thick beacon]

thats closer to 3x then 2x by a landslide though but ye prob unlucky

[round lintel]

I did 310 kills today I didnt get the hook so I left

[ornate sierra]

That still wasnt the answer i was looking for. There is a chance that the droptable can be still broken, dont twist my question.

[round lintel]

Takes a minute and a half to kill even using shadow

Not worth my time anymore

[thick beacon]

I would not be suprised with hm they are changing things if some of tables got messed up etc

[ornate sierra]

Ye i know couple guys that are 3k dry

[round lintel]

Boat parts are waaaaay to rare for them to feel rewarding.

[ornate sierra]

And i got my first before the last update

[round lintel]

Feels more like a punishment or money dumping

Anyways gl to those who are patient enough to spend days hunting these items

But I dont feel like sailing anymore and is not just the changes they made but cb sucks, upgrades are a joke with dragon parts

Im sending 99 doing marlins gg to remax and thats the end of the era, my iron doesnt need anything from sailing atm I think 87 was a good spot

And I do have 30 frog tokens and tog to go

[ionic grotto]

Just got around to seeing the new blog, crazy how they basically did everything I suggested they do lmao, yet everyone in here was crying last night over what I was saying they should do 😂

[ionic grotto]

😆

[frozen lion]

I don't mind lower xp per harvest from crystal extractor, but if they want to diminish how afk exp it is, it should charge faster when boat is moving for active players doing charting/barracuda trials/exploring

[round lintel]

Idk how people use their extractor at gg marlin, but personally I dont spam the extractor when im doing it

I guess thats why my peak has been 190k

Pre nerf on ironwood haul

And mast

With rosewood haul and mast taking it lightly making lots of mistakes and pb 5:30 i was getting like 170 (mostly cuz some crates were changed and what used to grab them now you pretty much have to be next to it for that to work)

Idek how they said they fixed the lost crates when feels worse than before

[ornate sierra]

I liked the one linked crate before the red portal

They removed it?

[round lintel]

Ah sorry my memory is more spacial than colored type if you tell me red portal idk which one it is

If you tell me 1,2 ,3 ,4th portal

Ill remember

[ornate sierra]

The linked crates were placed something like this(the yellow dots)

If you took the one before going to red portal, the one before purple disappeared

[round lintel]

I know they removed the third one before the red portal

[uncut fern]

Have the xp changes gone live yet?

[round lintel]

But not sure if we are talking about the same crate

[ionic grotto]

Nah give it like 4 hrs or so

That's about when their updates usually are

Actually maybe not that long maybe like 2?

[uncut fern]

4 hours UK time or US time?

[round lintel]

It put you on a weird angle so they removed it

[ionic grotto]

Buddy 4 hours is 4 hours

[round lintel]

But not the one just before red portal

[ionic grotto]

Man said 4 hours in UK or US time like we measure time differently

I'm like 8 hours behind UK and updates are in the very early am for me so I think it's like 2-3 hrs before their usual update time

[round lintel]

One day my wife was driving, I told her turn right and she asked your right or my right? I was like... whaaaat?

[ionic grotto]

LMAOOOO

[round lintel]

People sometimes do that

Idk

[ionic grotto]

I'm sorry I just thought that was funny as fuck

"4 hours in UK or US time"

😭

[ornate sierra]

Ye the 3 crates before the red portal was the place where i failed most of the time during the 1st week. But once i figured out that the first of the 3 was linked to the one before purple portal, i just skipped it because it made the angle better for red portal.

[uncut fern]

So it’s UK time?

[ionic grotto]

Sure

[round lintel]

4 hours your time

Anyways going to bed, Barracudas to 99 it is with the extra 13k xp they are adding to Marlin

[ionic grotto]

I'm just glad they're fixing salvaging, not even cuz I 30 min afk cuz I rarely do, but cuz I can semi-attentive salvage while playing my alt super efficiently and cuz I wouldn't mind pulling up at least 1 dragon cannon barrel before 99 for my time.

[round lintel]

They said to compensate the xp lost with the extractor which was 20k lost and being real you can get 11 laps x hr which is 13.7k xp

[ionic grotto]

I think if I pull up a cannon barrel I probably will just send a day or two of Marlin Gwenith to finish this grind

[round lintel]

So still nerfed a little but better if you are not sending laps b2b

[ionic grotto]

Yeah that's still pretty good and fair imo cuz extractor was too OP and had to go

[reef laurel]

I'm glad they addressed salvaging and it was very nice to see them take the feedback given and improve upon it. I entirely agreed that 30min afk times were wayy too long for the xp given, don't think you should get more than like 20-30k for literally 100% afk given star xp rates and 5min timer.

[ionic grotto]

Imma be honest bro they really were not getting much more than that

Maybe 40k max

[reef laurel]

But promoting active salvaging is nice hopefully dragon cannon drop rate is adjusted somewhat to make it realistic to acquire more than by 99 or slightly past it.

[ionic grotto]

And you still have to come back and sort your storage and if you're truthfully 30 min afking you're not getting any clicks on the extractor.

Yeah that's all we really were upset about. They nerfed all salvaging just to punish afk salvaging.

They got it wrong the first time, they got it right this time.

[ionic grotto]

Should definitely not be 1/20k, I think 1/5k sounds fair. It'd be reasonable to expect to get 2 then you can move to other activities if you want afterwards.

[reef laurel]

I heard it was closer to like 60k and I don't think anything with an option of 200k xp/hr needs 100kxp/hr afk. You could easily 100-200k woodcut with trial level engagement but the other options are 20k an hour until you get redwoods (thankfully now ironwoods)

And that goes for every skill.

[ionic grotto]

I can promise you it wasn't as someone who's done 87-94 doing merchant salvage

My average xp was 55k xp/hr while semi-attentive salvaging

Meaning I clicked my extractor a lot and was not letting my storage fill up for very long

If you were truly 30 min afking as in no clicking between minute 1 and minute 30, I extremely doubt you would get 55k xp/hr like I was

[round lintel]

For me I would have enjoyed a 100k xp per her on a wider but more interactive way, for example

You talk to x npc and he tells you he has a tresure map and wants you to collect it but you have x time to get the reward and you are not allow to teleport (map will desintegrate if you do)

[ionic grotto]

After the update my salvaging rates went to 40k xp/hr

30 min afk is probably like 20-25k

[reef laurel]

I mean I was clicking my extractor like once every 2 mins and barely paying attention and getting 110k over thanksgiving which is a bit much for afk. It's really nice, yeah. It feels amazing. But it's not really in line with other stuff. Most high xp rates in the game come at the cost of lots of gold.

Or extreme inputs.

Salvaging really had no downside and a lot of upsides and people weren't even doing trials as a result.

[ionic grotto]

Nothing wrong with this

[reef laurel]

Which is the pinnacle of the skill and if tomorrow they released a boss with ship navigation mechanics people would complain because they spent so much time afking and not learning boat mechanics.

[ionic grotto]

People don’t do trials because they’re high activity you have to pay attention and click a lot and be somewhat good at the game

It’s like if they nerfed rooftops and Prif to make you go to Sepulchre

[round lintel]

To be honest agility sucks as a whole

Is a nerfed skill in all the ways possible

[ionic grotto]

I think most people don’t consider trials their primary training method. I certainly don’t. I did every trial and every level to get the rewards and unlocks, and maybe sat at some trials for a couple levels to hit a new salvage unlock etc.

[reef laurel]

I would argue that you don't need to be good to finish trials, you need to be motivated. I would also say that the marlin rank times are a bit tight for the lowest level boats you can use but it's a one time xp drop with a cosmetic reward, nothing that's gamechanging.

[ionic grotto]

The fact you can bum rush the skill doing trials is a fair option to have but that shouldn’t be considered the primary Sailing training method at all

[reef laurel]

Well yeah but so many people are focused on sailing but all of you can agree that other skills need more attention more-so in terms of xp rates, engagement, activities. Fletching was recently addressed but agility, woodcutting, and mining are all very sleeper.

[round lintel]

At max efficiency, tick perfect is 71k xp an hr doing ardy course and barely scratching the 100k at sepulchre which is horrible id your attention spam is low (any distractions and you are in the bin)

[ionic grotto]

Lol I know people who legit cannot figure out Marlin Jubbly or Gwenith, or go back with a higher tier boat and then finally complete it

There definitely is a skill level required

[reef laurel]

What do you mean figure it out

I never figured it out

I watched a video

Copied the video

[ionic grotto]

They suck at clicking lol

[reef laurel]

Made some mistakes and kept trying til I got it

[ionic grotto]

Or just make too many mistakes

They can’t string a clean run together

[reef laurel]

Yeah but that doesn't mean you just give up

[ionic grotto]

Well some people just suck and give up lol

I mean Jubbly Marlin took me for fucking ever but once I got it I could repeat it very consistently and started having a lot of fun but a lot of my friends basically ragequit the course at Shark or Marlin

And I can give them shit for it cuz they’re my boys but they are just objectively not that good at the game so yea 😆

[reef laurel]

I mean some of mine did, too. But everyone who tried ended up getting it, and it's free to make mistakes once you upgrade your hull.

[round lintel]

Jubbly was very laggy that sometimes i lost a few seconds and didnt get time

[ionic grotto]

Yeah Jubbly was a wild experience

[round lintel]

I think i went from 57 - 63 without getting time all by resetting and not finishing the course

[reef laurel]

And as I said the actual rewards from marlin rank are more cosmetic than anything else. It's a helpful boost of xp to skip early levels if you can achieve the time with an underleveled boat but outside of that it doesn't mean or translate into much.

[ionic grotto]

Which is why trials aren’t really the main point of Sailing unless you just wanna rush levels and skip the rest of the skill

[round lintel]

And the wild 9 seconds for Jubbly to get to the last frog hahahaha

[ionic grotto]

I’d argue 100% charting is the main point of Sailing

And it gives you a shit ton of xp for doing it

[reef laurel]

I mean, I'd argue the same about salvaging. I personally feel that anyone who is at 80 or higher and only salvaged skipped amajority of the skill.

Getting to 99 will always take a mix of everything.

[ionic grotto]

Can you blame people? You seen the rates on uniques?

[reef laurel]

Even if xp rates were 40k an hour it's nice to know there's a rewarding afk option.

[round lintel]

I once applied for Brand Manager at Jagex (Have experience working with Cisco, HP and other big brands in the US) they didnt even interview me sadly

I would have given so many ideas hahaha

[ionic grotto]

Dragon cannon barrel is 1/20k it’s like they want you to sit at merchant salvage for 6m xp

I’m a main so my excuse for doing it isn’t the same as irons but I’d still like to pull at least one for the log slot lol

[reef laurel]

The absolute worst thing you could ever do if you actually wanted the game to change in terms of unique drop rates is to actually go for said unique. If you chase the unique it gives Jagex a reason to leave it the same drop rate. And the only people who would say otherwise are either elitists or people who just want to make money and keep making money.

[cedar cliff]

PSA DO NOT ENGAGE IN 1.5T SALVAGE people are getting false bans

that said, the xp rates i was getting last night were easily over 220k/hour. completely smashes pre rosewood merlin xp

[ionic grotto]

I mean I’m not that passionate about the drop rates like some are but you understand irons basically have to get 2 dragon cannons to fully unlock/max their boats and it’s their only way to do it

I mean you’re the one who seems to have the problem with people salvaging so

[reef laurel]

Yes I understand that. I'm an iron. The reason I'm not actively salvaging is because I'd like them to lower the drop rates.

[ionic grotto]

I don’t care if people wanna rush the skill and do trials to 99 even after getting all the rewards but I’d argue they’re skipping a lot of the rest of sailing

[reef laurel]

And if I grind out said item and it's changed then my time was wasted and if it's not changed it means people just kept grinding out of their own insanity while all believing the same thing

[ionic grotto]

Salvaging requires you to interact with sailing more than trials

Trials is just “build fast skiff, go”

Salvaging you have to worry about hooks, crewmates, boat positioning, sorting the loot, etc.

[round lintel]

The only way they'd listen is if someone controversial talks about it, a reddit post gets high upvotes or straight youtube vid with lots of views.

[reef laurel]

You're not interacting with sailing while salvaging though. You're interacting with hooks and a table.

[ionic grotto]

Ok

[round lintel]

So stopping is not really a way

[woeful moat]

do we know if salv changes are in the next couple hours?

[round lintel]

But I get your point

[heavy ledge]

Wtf getting cloud flare issues with os rn

[reef laurel]

The core of sailing is driving your boat, not gathering resources. It's an activity skill, and not a gathering skill.

Except you're not even gathering while salvaging

You're just dropping everything and hitting 99 with only a dragon cannon to show for it.

[round lintel]

To be honest I thought they would add something like thieving on the seas

[toxic canopy]

What's going on with servers 🙄

[round lintel]

Those big trade ships that stops you when next to you

Or fighting the pirate ships too going around

[heavy ledge]

Just found that cloud flare is doing maintenance on a server rn, not sure why it’s not using a different one rn tho

[ornate sierra]

finally 2nd hook

[round lintel]

But idk how they didnt really give several activities for sailing

[round lintel]

Ayy complaining works

[ornate sierra]

as always

[reef laurel]

they kind of did

[round lintel]

Not for everyone tho

[reef laurel]

charting, port delivery tasks, port bounty tasks, trials, salvaging

[round lintel]

I mean trawling is bad and we are not talking about the xp which is not relevant, but is confusing, really bad in terms on playability

Combat sucks

[reef laurel]

i think it's definitely worth an argument that without having actual crystal boat upgrades it's a bit frustrating that you need song of elves completed for lvl 72 sailing areas

[brittle garnet]

Also appears to be happening with Tarkov...

[reef laurel]

but i mean you can't expect everything to be perfect on release or fixed immediately

[drifting pasture]

My jagex launcher doesnt work anymore?

[round lintel]

I wasnt really saying it should have been perfect or should be perfect but is clearly they needed more time

[gleaming plank]

Mine to

[heavy ledge]

Cloud flare issue

[gleaming plank]

No also on the phone is doesn’t work

[elder rock]

true

[drifting pasture]

Yeah cant do shit on both platforms

[heavy ledge]

It’s back for me!

[round lintel]

And they dropped the skill right when they dont have time to work and improve some of the core problems with sailing and just band aiding things until next year

[drifting pasture]

Same!

[heavy ledge]

Also why can this not also be a cloud flare issue? Even
oldschool.RuneScape.com was saying it’s a cloud flare issue

[elder rock]

works again

[reef laurel]

sometimes you dont know what you need until you release it and get feedback

[drifting pasture]

It is, it logged me out and when i tried to log back in the webpage said cloud flare issue

[heavy ledge]

Someone on Reddit said those without jagex accounts stayed logged in but idk if I believe Reddit

[reef laurel]

theyre clearly going to change drop rates and/or combat and are just trying to address one thing at a time

they dont know how to fix combat

bcuz while it might sound as easy as more dmg or less health

they probably want to make it more interactive and or engaging

[thick beacon]

oh i didint even realize that u had 1 hook already lol gz

[ornate sierra]

Yeah

[round lintel]

I mean there are things they can do... lower damage cap, currently is like 65% damage cap, they can bring it to 30% instead. They can make repair kits to stack or work on stacks at the time like you can stack 10 repair kits

[harsh gorge]

do we know expected downtime?

[cinder reef]

It isn't coming back up

[heavy ledge]

I think the big issue is like you said earlier, they dropped it at an awful time and didn’t give themselves time to work on the skill

[heavy ledge]

Was a cloud flare issue, resolved itself for me now

[round lintel]

They should have swapped GridMaster with Sailing

[cinder kernel]

It's back

[round lintel]

And push GM to mid December

[heavy ledge]

Well actually no prob just cuz they needed more time to work on sailing

They prob shoulda just delayed it 2 months but I doubt most players or mgmt would be cool with that

Announcing GM for the holiday season would’ve been smart to offeset yeah

[round lintel]

Anyways drop rates are bad, and to get drops you need to do combat except for the cannon, frost dragons just drop metal sheets wich esentially are just 25% of what you need, keel parts, hook and nails are still rare. Thats a problem they needed to rush and address instead all if these xp rates which in the end gave them much more work

[round lintel]

Yeah even a league would have been nice to offset people while they are away

[harsh gorge]

interesting, just got another bad gateway notif

[heavy ledge]

Hmm I’m still logged in sorry to hear that :/

[harsh gorge]

Im reading its worldwide again...

[heavy ledge]

Daaamn

I’m good rn but I’m on a German world for pickpocketing

And playing in the NW USA

[ionic grotto]

Lol I got "no reply from login server" when I tried to login

https://i.gyazo.com/8ab1537a1af3dead53d7a88ab95e2805.png

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1996871499433804247?s=20

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

Some players have reported being unable to access Old School RuneScape, RuneScape, account and support services.

We believe this is due to a Cloudflare issue but will continue to investigate.

X · Dec 5, 2025, 9:17 AM

[dire mango]

cloudflare is having issues again, not just osrs

[fresh forge]

We need 06 CloudFlare back /s

[ionic grotto]

I'm watching someone's boat about to sink cuz he's afking too hard salvaging

Jagex should just add krakens near all the key salvaging spots to keep afkers in check

but this shark is fucking bro up atm

https://i.gyazo.com/81763148e74167eb7959fbd5bbc66e63.png

RIP whatever is in his cargo hold, he is ded

[dawn pond]

did they say when they would update the xp rates again?

[ionic grotto]

Think later today

Should be an update timer hitting the game soon I think

[dawn pond]

oki, thanks for the reply

[gray torrent]

ye they are changing it back pretty much

only nerf is at the full afk method

[ionic grotto]

Sorting salvage is being changed back, crewmate salvaging is having it's xp lowered but player salvaging is being sped up.

They basically did everything we asked them to do so overall it's looking like a W update

[charred halo]

not a w update if the xp/h for salvaging yourself stays the same as it is right now

[ionic grotto]

@dire mango and @spice hull and all the other trolls who spent all last night arguing with me defending the insane nerfs are in shambles rn after everything I said should happen is happening 😂

[ionic grotto]

It's not I just said they're buffing the rate players salvage at, and restoring the sort xp

So yeah the rates will go back up a bit for active salvaging which is what we asked for

So yeah it's a W update all around, we won

[spice hull]

L0l I didn’t defend the nerfs you idiot. Read my post in suggestions and you’d realise I wasn’t happy with the nerfs but to revert them back to the way they were is insane

[gray torrent]

honestly they needed to nerf the full afk method

its the other stuff that was odd which they fixed

[charred halo]

but they're nerfing the xp % from your crew as well which i reckon is going to end up making up for the slight increase in speed they're giving us back

[ionic grotto]

You did, I said last night the nerfs were way too harsh and you sat here for like an hour to argue with me

[ionic grotto]

That's targeted to nerfing afk salvage which is what they intended to do, but instead they accidentally nerfed all forms of salvaging

So the change is sensible in that it accomplishes what they wanted to do

[spice hull]

The nerfs were needed but they didn’t need to be gutted like they were try reading my suggestion in game suggestions and you’d realise I agreed with the nerf but not to the extent of the nerf.

[charred halo]

then people are still going to be pissed off and its a blanketed "fix" that doesnt solve why people got pissed in the first place

[ionic grotto]

It won't be pre-nerf rates or afkness but it's pretty close

[ionic grotto]

It literally does

Everyone in here yesterday aside from a few trolls said the nerfs were too harsh and punished all forms of salvaging not just afk salvaging

[gaunt falcon]

update soon?

[ionic grotto]

The new changes coming in today fix all of our issues while still addressing afk salvaging

So we won

[ionic grotto]

Yeah within the next 1-2 hours or so

[spice hull]

Jesus nexer you did nothing but cry for 28 hours

[ionic grotto]

Lol

[charred halo]

the only thing that needed to be changed was extractor + both crew salvaging and that's literally it

[ionic grotto]

No I just had to talk some sense into Jagex and push the changes that needed to be made.

In that sense, I won.

Seems you're the only one crying now 😂

Cry is free gg

[spice hull]

lol you think it was you that talked it in to them

Grow up

Dude I’m all for the update thats coming because it’s the right decision however the fact you literally filled an entire new ocean with water with how much you cried was insane in suprised there isn’t new salvage spots for tears. Read my suggestion in game suggestions and you’d realise i wanted the exact thing they are doing

Except I still think crew members shouldn’t give any exp at all for salvaging

[gaunt falcon]

i just want to put 6 crystal extractors on my boat for a free 180k xp/h running circles 🙂

[ionic grotto]

Not reading all that but happy for you, or sorry that happened

[spice hull]

Hope this update gets pushed and then they change something to make you melt down again just for the fun of seeing you melt because of exp rates 😂😂😂😂

[ionic grotto]

👍

[humble granite]

Will the update for the salvaging changes be live today?

[ionic grotto]

Seems so, an update timer should hit the game soon.

[dire mango]

If you read half my messages yesterday you'd know i support the reverting of the nerfs the way they did it.
Never had a problem with regular afk salvage, just the 30min method which is staying nerfed.

[ionic grotto]

Glad you finally came around, proud of you bud

[dire mango]

My position never changed. You just never understood what i was saying for some reason. Told you multiple times we agreed on most stuff.

[ionic grotto]

I'm just glad they're finally making the right changes. They totally missed the mark originally, big overcorrect, but they finally got the ship straightened out and everything dialed in with this one so in the end we won.

[hasty jewel]

have they actually given a time frame at all yet or is it just "sometime dec 5" still?

[keen mesa]

Jagex say anything about ETA?

[brazen tundra]

yea 5 mins from now

we got time frames i swear

[ionic grotto]

I'm just going off when they usually launch updates

[dire mango]

No timer yet. Guessing they ran into testing issues seeing as they initially said it's intended to come ASAP.

[keen mesa]

Or cloudflare issue slowed them down

[ionic grotto]

I said 3 hours ago that I was expecting the update in around 4 hours

So yeah idk, any minute now there could be an update timer

[hasty jewel]

"I said"

you have ties to jagex? because if not lol

[brazen tundra]

i have ties

[ionic grotto]

Buddy where is the reading comprehension lol

[brazen tundra]

5min from now

[ionic grotto]

.

Fucking hell

Right around this time of day is historically "update time" for Jagex. Just be patient it'll come when it comes, should be soon hopefully.

Never claimed to know anything btw, just saying what I expect based on what they normally do lmao

[keen mesa]

Would be nice if osrs had notifs on when the upload manger plans to push to live. RS3 has Mod Easty who tweets when they plans to push to prod.

[ionic grotto]

The update timer is basically that

[echo trail]

just farm frost dragons until they fix sailing 🙂

[ionic grotto]

They usually put a blog or a tweet out along with the update timer

[brazen tundra]

surely 5 more minutes

lol

i have ties to jagex its 5 more minutes

[dire mango]

Can you untie them?

Release the jmods

[keen mesa]

I wnana go sail I beg pls update

[rotund moth]

You know they haven't actually removed the XP entirely. You can still play

[ionic grotto]

Yeah I've still been salvaging, once the update timer pops up I really do need to go to the bank tho I have like 80 ironwood repair kits in my storage it's getting to be a little bit much, pls Jagex make me go bank

https://i.gyazo.com/438238e210822765f60805e6122fe95e.png

My storage situation is getting dicey

[rotund moth]

Yeah i need to upgrade some stuff, just hit 79

[ionic grotto]

I'm almost 95 maybe if Jagex takes long enough I can level up b4 the update

[dire mango]

just bank at sunbleak

[ionic grotto]

115k to go can I make it or no

[dire mango]

i can understand putting the cannonballs in the storage but putting repair kits in there for 3k a slot seems like a waste.

[ionic grotto]

Tbh I just store anything that's storable except the fish offcuts, those get dropped

[dire mango]

just seems annoying to have your cargo capacity slowly go down to profit a tiny bit extra.

[ionic grotto]

Tbf it takes several hours for that to become an issue + I don't afk THAT hard to where it's getting filled up, at some point I just take a trip to bank

[brazen tundra]

5 more minutes

[ionic grotto]

Surelyyyy

[brazen tundra]

every time someone ask about when is update adds 5 more not my rules sorry

[ionic grotto]

I say 30 min update timer in 10 mins

Watch how I'll be right

[brazen tundra]

or its the biggest gotcha in history no update is coming

[ionic grotto]

LMAOOO imagine

[brazen tundra]

too many thumbs up on last blog post shoudlve thumbs downed it a bit more and bring back extractor xp

[ionic grotto]

My vote would be to make the crystal extractor more powerful and so that you don't have to click on it, it would work like the agility boots on RS3 I forget what they're called but basically they just give you Agility xp for being logged in so we should just do that for Sailing xp

[rotund moth]

Why leave its as logged in? Just gain XP when you're offline...

[copper flicker]

So no update after all?

[brazen tundra]

that added another 5 minutes thanks dude

[copper flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/disneytoons-movies-disney-toons-cartoons-gif-14670267254775627272

[ionic grotto]

Surely in 5 mins

[brazen tundra]

surely

[shut ibex]

when update

[ionic grotto]

Surely soon

[shut ibex]

winter 2026

[brazen tundra]

5 more mintues stop asking dude

[ionic grotto]

30 min update timer in 12 mins

Trust

[shut ibex]

when update

[ionic grotto]

Soon trust

[brazen tundra]

you just made it 5 more minutes

[ionic grotto]

Mf is the kid in the back seat asking "are we there yet?" every 2 mins lol

[shut ibex]

you are the guy that used to snitch classmates

[copper flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-excited-smile-the-suspense-gene-wilder-gif-5933521

[ionic grotto]

Hell no I was the one who got snitched on for throwing a paper plane at the back of the teacher's head

[brazen tundra]

[shut ibex]

and I was the one backing you up saying you were innocent

I meant the other guy, not you

[ionic grotto]

Nobody did

Nah that shit was so funny the teacher held us all in class after the bell on some "you guys aren't going until someone tells me who threw this"

Whole class was silent aka backing me up but then one guy was like "uhh it was him"

Fuck that guy

[shut ibex]

that will add 5 minutes unfortunately

[ionic grotto]

Facts

Nah but fr surely update within next hour

[rotund moth]

Bet you don't

[undone basin]

No you won't lol

[shut ibex]

siri set a 1h countdown

[ionic grotto]

We'll never have to know cuz it's coming soon trust

[brazen tundra]

5 more minutes

you tried

l0l

[undone basin]

Came through correctly on my end

[ionic grotto]

Why lie

[ionic grotto]

AI slop

[brazen tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-keith-i-shouldve-been-a-cowboy-cowboy-shouldve-been-a-cowboy-country-music-gif-27557266

[ionic grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-trump-gif-22804577

Atp this update is feeling like fake news ngl

[brazen tundra]

[shut ibex]

what will happen first, US invading Venezuela or the sailing update

[ionic grotto]

That 30 min update timer in 2 mins is about to be hitting like crack

[shut ibex]

funny thing is both are related

[brazen tundra]

5 minutes

[rotund moth]

Why not both?

[shut ibex]

I would stock on gold farm items, they might go up

[ionic grotto]

Yeah all my Nex items about to be going way up if that happens

[brazen tundra]

shadow to the moon

like doge coin

[ionic grotto]

Altho my Nex cc might die cuz I think most of the ppl in it are Venezuelan

[shut ibex]

trump coin might go up

[brazen tundra]

5 more minutes yall be calm trust

[ionic grotto]

I'm starting to feel the update timer withdrawals

I need this

Jagex please

[shut ibex]

yall just added 5 minutes

I cba

[brazen tundra]