game-update

[finite tapir]

considering i rate this inferno-difficulty quest as something very accessible

[hasty shard]

bro i could not care if boats turn into planes tomorrow it literally just came out

[meager flame]

its an insane turnaround too because the sailing release two weeks were like

[hasty shard]

they can change the balance any amount i cba

[meager flame]

damn we're definitely getting another skill

and then that one update actually pissed off so many people that it might have erased that lol

[spring trout]

I've been maxed for like 4 years and was looking forward to some new content (still didn't vote sailing) and when it came out (levels 1-50) I thought this is so bad. then 50-80 I was like "yeah this isn't actually terrible" and then with yesterdays update im back at "this is so bad"

[heavy ledge]

I also feel like this might have been new players’ first experience of insane integrity fixes so it’ll prob scare a bit of them off if they were here for “polling all updates”

[finite tapir]

did you max via afk gameplay

[heavy ledge]

This discord doesn’t like the naughty version of guano 🙁

[spring trout]

50/50

[meager flame]

yeah it was probably a lot of people's first experience with getting jagexed

if they didnt play when eoc etc dropped anyways

[spring trout]

don't get me wrong, I've done quite a few Trials mixed in with salvaging.. but I can't cope with more than an hour of constant clicking and fps glitching

[meager flame]

a lot of more casual players aren't actually out there doing the content when jagex drops some out of pocket changes on the content

but this time basically everyone got introduced to what its like

[hasty shard]

id hope the actual casuals dont care about the update ideally

imagine being a pvper and seeing this absolute shitstorm 😭

[fresh rivet]

I hope they buff deep sea trawling xp it is so bad with the nerfed extractor

[meager flame]

yeah if the casual player knows there was an update

you probably messed up

[hasty shard]

trawling should have better xp
if they dont want to devalue fish idfk balance it better lmao

[meager flame]

tbh the trawling stuff is actually enough effort that i kind of dont understand their tuning point for it

[hasty shard]

we have shit like vyre blood shards and sepulchre that can shit out both gp and xp

[meager flame]

it feels like you're supposed to get more when you do it

[hasty shard]

yeah not doing nets yourself spam clicking is half the fish an hour i swear

its ssooooo fucking intensive why is this such bad xp

[lost jacinth]

wildy is dead man, we went out the other night hopping through revs and see like 2 pkrs in a hour

[hasty shard]

same issue aerial fishing has

[heavy ledge]

I’m really glad this has turned into an echo chamber of “update bad” instead of what I was reading from a lot of the trolls right after it dropped lmao

[fresh rivet]

trawling would be fine at 30-40k an hour but that is what i was getting before nerfs

in sailing that is

[obsidian venture]

I’ll link it

[fresh rivet]

now u can fish the shoal with your rod and have 2 npcs trawling? gotta try that

[hasty shard]

it should be like 80k 80k fishing sailing xp

for marlins

[brazen tundra]

???

[hasty shard]

like come the fuck on you need to drop 100m on a rosewood sloop to do this efficiently

you arent even making your money back just give the xp 😭

[hasty shard]

really not worth it

[heavy ledge]

Real question, does anyone have any idea hm paid QA testers Jagex has?

[fresh rivet]

New content on a main seems to always be a money spender these days

[meager flame]

i mean you could make the same comparison as an iron

[spring trout]

I think the biggest meme that came from the post was "redistributing" the xp to other areas of the skill.. and then went on to list more nerfs haha

[hasty shard]

rosewood is a notable buff and you need 600 nails that are removed from the economy

[meager flame]

you have to kill like 4k frost dragons to make the sloop

you're not getting that time back in efficiency

[hasty shard]

its not going to suddenly drop to like a 10m upgrade anytime soon

[hasty shard]

there were nda testers ik but besides that

[heavy ledge]

Any idea how they were selected?

[hasty shard]

people who talk with jmods

[meager flame]

they basically described it as experienced players or super passionate people they noticed talking about the game

[finite tapir]

which of the following did you do (for at least 10 hours)?
- shooting stars
- dungeon poh agility
- karambwans
- varlamore thieving (noob bait)
- varlamore prayer (noob bait)
- redwoods
- afk slayer, but done really badly (15-20k doing melee slayer on a dogshit block list) (noob bait)
- maniacal monkey hunter (noob bait)

which of the following are true for you?
- nmz prod (nmz to 90+s in a combat stat before even getting 85 slayer)
- crab prod (crab (including non-gemstone) to 90+s in a combat stat before even getting 85 slayer)
- you agree with "tick manip would give me rsi and carpal tunnel and so it should be patched out of the game"

[hasty shard]

which is usually streamers and some notable skillers

its a larger pool than you think because jmods are actual people who socialise

[spring trout]

I've been around for so long that they are all new methods of training

[finite tapir]

holy

ok that's respectable

[hasty shard]

like i talk with some jmods lol

[finite tapir]

good on you

[meager flame]

i think everyone has done a lot of those things lol

well maybe not the very new ones like varlamore stuff

[hasty shard]

i got hooti to post the leagues hawk tour meme for me when he was still a jmod 😭

[wind cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/coda-cult-cultist-apathy-pitchfork-gif-26415919

update pls

[fresh rivet]

gm to ppl who did half their mining xp at stars

[finite tapir]

there's like three in that list which are respectable

the others are

well

i don't think i should continue with what i was going to say

[meager flame]

well i shouldn't say everyone but like

i've played since 2003 so if you've been around that long

you've probably done some of that shit at some point lmao

[finite tapir]

yeah but if you're maxing and literally the only thing you do is afk method

[meager flame]

like the slayer one for example thats just how everyone that played the game did it lmao

[finite tapir]

i just treat your opinion as equivalent to like a 1250 total

[heavy ledge]

Yeah I’m shamefully a range NMZ prod so I usually refrain from PVM discussions lol

[hasty shard]

maniacal monkey hunter is the respectable one right

[finite tapir]

maniacals and redwoods and bwans

[spring trout]

yeah for sure, but then when you got a task you could do bosses on then you would do that

[finite tapir]

if bwans had literally no market value at all and were completely dead content it wouldn't be one of them though

[meager flame]

afk crabs i think are pretty good honestly on an iron too you just have to be doing it when you're not available

[heavy ledge]

I only did stars for clog, but I’ve got like 60m from redwoods lol

[meager flame]

if you're afking crabs while at the pc

[finite tapir]

i'm thinking of mains for that list

[meager flame]

thats a different kind of beast

[finite tapir]

afk crabs with spare broad arrows left over after 99 fletching on a low level uim can be goated for some players

[spring trout]

I don't think you can count rock crabs back in the day as "afk" as that was the only way to train combat skills high enough to start doing slayer haha

[meager flame]

well yeah rock crabs were like

[fresh rivet]

everybody just upset with nerfs, they never feel good. If jagex released sailing with current rates ppl would have way less reason to complain

[meager flame]

thats like when i think back to everyone not knowing how to do slayer on release

and people were just like beating down black demons and shit for hours

[hasty shard]

what is the rs2 equivalent of nmz actually

like post 2007

[heavy ledge]

Tbf it’s literally impossible for me to get less than 100 ping so I don’t like to do too active of PVM even though in my head I know it doesn’t really matter at that level of ping lol

[meager flame]

pest control

[hasty shard]

ik rs3's was ed3 trash runs for a fair bit

right pest control

[meager flame]

you could also 6hr with guthans at bandits

[spring trout]

problem is, the game has evolved and the player base with it. (not speaking for everybody) but 10 years ago I had all the time in the world for hundreds of hours for a 99, whereas now, most of the player base are late 20's-late 30's and have life commitments. so faster xp methods are appreciated lol

[bronze kernel]

Real chads used the magic axe hut

[meager flame]

i mean 10 years ago we were actually already pretty smart

20 years ago though

thats when people did the real dumb shit

[spring trout]

20 years ago i was pking with base 50 stats and the guy in ghostly robes with mage cape was god

[finite tapir]

you are genuinely delusional if you think nmz (for combats, a type of skill which has been significantly devalued over the last 80,000 decades of runescape existing) is equivalent to sailing when comparing rates

this is quite literally the same kind of comparison as "wines give 480k xp/hr why cant i have that by doing ardougne rooftops"

oh i don't know, maybe because one skill is extremely fast by nature and the other isn't

crazy how different skills have different rates

[meager flame]

tbh

its probably good design that sailing is a faster skill

[heavy ledge]

I made a point that sailing is supposed to be kind of a bridge between skilling and combat, so why can’t the 30 min afk method be less than half the rate of afk cb?

[finite tapir]

that's stupid

if it was like 5 minute afk

sure

[meager flame]

just because if you think about what sailing actually does for the player and the main attraction to leveling it being going places to do other things

[hasty shard]

nerf gwenith xp by like 40%

[finite tapir]

i can see that

[meager flame]

you probably wouldn't want to brick wall people

[finite tapir]

it's Thirty Minutes

[hasty shard]

its an hour

[finite tapir]

is it actually an hour what the hell

[hasty shard]

you're limited by cargo hold not logout timer

[heavy ledge]

Well it still wasn’t more than 31.2k xp/hr

[meager flame]

like it would be weird if in the future everyone started their iron and the strat was like

[hasty shard]

logout timer is a suggestion

[meager flame]

go do forestry and then get your con up somehow so you can then sail to 99 so you're allowed to go to the islands and play the game

[spring trout]

Most people are wanting 99 sailing to get it out the way with and move back on to areas of the game that they enjoy, so just give the faster xp rates and let people move on from it

[finite tapir]

ah

[heavy ledge]

If you mess with frame rates apparently, but your hold can only hold 31.2k worth of crew salvage

[meager flame]

which honestly that might happen anyways

but lol

it would be insane if that happened and sailing was slow as shit

[austere mulch]

And if a chicken was a horse it would neigh

[hasty shard]

notice how nobody brings up 1 hour afk though
almost like they dont know in depth skilling cough cough

[finite tapir]

i have sifted through at least 750 distinct users on the smaller osrs sub complaining about sailing in the last 12 hours

[dawn jackal]

i agree you should actually just be able to purchase xp for the skill. its unfair and maybe unethical for jagex to force me to grind a skill in the year 2025

[hasty shard]

literal fireworks red flags that people are saying sote is 100m xp effective/h though

[finite tapir]

sote?

[spring trout]

damn right! haha

[hasty shard]

the xp reward for completing the quest

because you get it all in one tick! so its actually like 100m xp/h
thoughts

[austere mulch]

100 ping isn’t even high, and steady ping matters way more than low ping. A consistent 170 is way better than an alternating 50-150

[heavy ledge]

Yeah that was a dumb comparison lol

[spring trout]

where are my mmorpg rights!

[meager flame]

i do think the effective exp/hr thing went over people's heads a bit so now they're making fun of it

[hasty shard]

i'll say it for the fifth time this is how we've measured shit like birdhouses and herb runs forever which is super noob tier content why do people suddenly not understand what effective xp/h is

[foggy yarrow]

you should try to look at it from a relative point of view inside the same skill, the discrepancy between the afk and high intensity method for sailing are too far apart compared to other skills

also jagex themselves said they wanted sailing to place in the faster half of osrs skills, not so sure that is still the case after yesterday's changes

[heavy ledge]

Hence the 2nd half of what I said lol. Also ping isn’t v steady for me rn either

[meager flame]

jagex was trying to show them how you would logically decide what you should do next

like if im riding through a trial on my boat should i make the turn perfectly or slow down but click extractor

answer was always extractor

[hasty shard]

redwoods are like 100m farming xp/h if you click them

ignoring replanting
ignoring doing a farm run for more xp

[finite tapir]

p sure it still is

[hasty shard]

ignoring that its like an entire checklist of xp/h to get

ignoring that its cycle based timegates

[finite tapir]

if you're complaining that it's not high xp from an afk standpoint i don't really care to be quite honest

afk -> not playing the game -> why are you complaining about rate

very simple

shooting stars could be 2.5k xp/hr and i'd be fine with it

[meager flame]

this is why im mad at the dragon cannon

why are they asking me to not play to get it

give me an alternative to go play the game

[heavy ledge]

I think that’s the biggest point of contention for a lot of people

[finite tapir]

this is a crazy trivia

[hasty shard]

if people were like actually socialising whilst afk salvaging i would argue they are playing

[finite tapir]

85 dungeoneering is ""very high""

[hasty shard]

but it is constant crickets on 586 whenever i look so

like in comparison to something like wintertodt man

[heavy ledge]

Most people have limited time to be in front of a monitor

[meager flame]

i actually saw a guy say something that was fucking hilarious yesterday in game at a salvage spot

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine

[hasty shard]

i wonder what my dg level is ive never been in daemonheim

[finite tapir]

okay and

[obsidian venture]

People have played this game for decades and haven’t maxed

[finite tapir]

that's fine, you don't have to max

[meager flame]

he was like "i love this nerf this is the first time i've seen real people talking on osrs"

[obsidian venture]

Them not maxing is 2 weeks means fuck all ngl

[meager flame]

because chat was nothing but bitching all of the sudden lmao

[dawn jackal]

with all due respect if you have limited time to play the game why did you set a 2500+ hour goal

[hasty shard]

49 dg ic

[finite tapir]

i have limited time to play. i'm going to play the game notorious for having longer grinds compared to a lot of other games on the market

[kind surge]

not gonna lie crystal extractor seemed like it was just a 1:1 copy of silverhawks except there's no upkeep for feathers

[finite tapir]

[kind surge]

I'm actually surprised osrs players generally loved it

[obsidian venture]

Osrs players are still getting outta diapers so they love anything they don’t need to try for

[finite tapir]

a lot of osrs players don't know that osrs and rs3 share a lot of mechanics

[dawn jackal]

you still can afk your sailing to infinity and beyond

[meager flame]

i mean i liked it because it gave the not afk but not tick manip salvage something to think about

[hasty shard]

a lot of rs3 players dont know either

[finite tapir]

200mil*

[hasty shard]

prayer flicking is still a thing in rs3

[spring trout]

yeah with the new rates it's like "should i spend the next 50 days of the only time i can play osrs absolutely sweating trials" or with the old rates "i can spend the next 100 days getting 99 sailing but I don't mind too much because I can watch tv and play other games"

[finite tapir]

yeah

[meager flame]

because without that click being there it kind of turned into watching yourself wc

[kind surge]

ss flick is a staple

people just suck

[finite tapir]

i asked in pvme about prayer flicking and someone told me "yeah if you turn it on and off 1 tick later you will lose prayer points"

[hasty shard]

like its not patched out prayer just has like 10x the number to show the decimal value

[kind surge]

hell I even did it for 5-mech nm arch glacor because it made it fun

[finite tapir]

when i sent a gif of me doing exactly that, with no prayer point loss, they donowalled me

[heavy ledge]

I’m just saying it’s a matter of opinion, and a lot of people consider the game (or a good bit of it) to be 2nd monitor content or something to do on the side. Which is the main point of contention around the AFK method

[finite tapir]

i even double checked

i wanted to make sure i got their point correctly

[hasty shard]

i tried doing ag and ability cooldowns pissed me off so i stopped

[finite tapir]

and wasnt misinterpreting or whatever

[hasty shard]

i only played to get gold partyhat tbh 😭

[kind surge]

lmao

[foggy yarrow]

the rate is dog even when playing actively, you're punished for cleaning salvage

i'd still be okay with it if they moved the dragon cannon barrels to a different source, like one of the sea creatures or frost dragons

[kind surge]

to be fair ag is so ass as a boss

[hasty shard]

sailing creatures need like actual uniques not relevant to sailing

[meager flame]

i think this is fine if they want to provide some low end content to do while you're actually busy just because the game honestly does take forever to grind and it seems like a good business move to let people do something to get to the fun parts and continue playing

[hasty shard]

i designed a few for my sailing proposal

[finite tapir]

not only did they verify my double check, they also then went on to give me advice on how to count my ticks

as if the problem wasn't "prayer flicking is impossible" or whatever, it's that i can't count ticks

[kind surge]

the entire premise of the boss is essentially "have your defensives ready for frost cannon or you die"

[hasty shard]

^

[dawn jackal]

i believe you currently get like 70k xp / hr with low intensity salvaging and that seems very reasonable to me

[kind surge]

"sometimes you get b2b frost cannon and you either get fucked, or farm livid points for a niche defensive"

[finite tapir]

that part is a fair criticism, i just tend to not see that ever be mentioned

[meager flame]

but like beyond just letting people prepare to do the fun parts i dont really think afk should be that great

thats why i feel weird about the dragon cannon coming from afk stuff

you'd think that would be some sailing boss or something

[dawn jackal]

or 30k/hr doing shower salvaging which is incredibly generous

[hasty shard]

shower salvaging 😭

[finite tapir]

they donowalled me after i replied with a gif showing that it is indeed possible

[hasty shard]

there is also tick manip technically iirc

[finite tapir]

actual tick manip or like

[dawn jackal]

the best way to salvage (low intensity) being to drop the salvage makes no sense of course, hoping that gets fixed

[finite tapir]

stupid people definition of tick manip

[hasty shard]

like hunter cape in rs3 literally just reenables doing manip on chins iirc 😭

probably stupid people definition

[finite tapir]

like when [[tick manip]] on the osrs wiki referred to tick eating as tick manip

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Tick_manipulation

[heavy ledge]

That was mentioned quite a bit earlier

[finite tapir]

or when it said combo eating was tick manip

or when it said prayer flicking was tick manip

[dawn jackal]

for salvaging? you can 3t it

it's kinda boring

[finite tapir]

close enough

that's really funny actually LOL

[dawn jackal]

you just knife log spot drop knife log spot drop to infinity spots never move so

[kind surge]

I didn't even know about that for hunter cape over there

[hasty shard]

can you 2t salvage like trawling or

[dawn jackal]

but no one except level 3s will 3t to 99 so it's pretty irrelevant

[heavy ledge]

What are the fun parts of sailing in your opinion?

[meager flame]

stuff like going to a new island to do something else or visit trials

it should also include combat but

currently its ass so

[heavy ledge]

So basically exploration and (hopefully at some point) combat?

[meager flame]

yeah more or less i think some people might like the time trial stuff but honestly

i doubt many people are hyped to sail in circles or tick manip their salvage etc

[heavy ledge]

I feel like the AFK till cargo hold is full and insane drop rates would be solved by way decreasing xp per salvage and way increasing salvage rate but I doubt jagex actually wants to increase drop rates so here we are :/

[meager flame]

this is insane btw

i just saw this lol

[hasty shard]

l0l

[meager flame]

apparently the global sailing exp dropped off like crazy

[hasty shard]

whats the comparison to other skills ive been wanting this actually

[heavy ledge]

~33% drop damn

[meager flame]

idk where they even got this

wiseoldman probably?

[hasty shard]

looks like wom

[meager flame]

okay yeah they have a sailing specific page

[acoustic robin]

When you take a sledgehammer to multiple facets of xp rather than tuning incrementally it's no surprise the chart has that sudden drop

[meager flame]

i wonder if they have these stats visible like this for other skills

[heavy ledge]

Do they have one for EHP?

Or even just time spent?

[meager flame]

idk how you'd even define ehp this soon with sailing

[hasty shard]

its kind of a pulse check for what method people are doing as a whole imo

[meager flame]

i guess you could

[heavy ledge]

Yeah that’s why I asked about time spent lol

[short berry]

Literally just gwenyth glide and tapping the CE lol

[heavy ledge]

Would be interesting to see hm less time people are spending on the skill too

[meager flame]

ya the problem is glide keeps getting faster

so it would be kind of hard to actually pick a real number

[dawn jackal]

ehp is set at 220k rn

at 90+

[hasty shard]

its whatever the 6h log record is rn

[heavy ledge]

Hopefully jagex releases some nice graphs like that for us

I love some good data

Hopefully they give us soul runes and other data from their drop rate/SW changes at YE or after a year too that’d be nice to see

[meager flame]

i just hope they return from wherever they went to go hide

although normally with blogs anytime in the next few hours is pretty normal

[heavy ledge]

They’re hibernating for the winter, sorry

[opal scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/well-we-re-waiting-gif-26938872

[heavy ledge]

They had to bulk up on player feedback for the hibernation

[meager flame]

lmao this really is how it probably feels for them rn

[opal scroll]

was the first thing I thought of

[heavy ledge]

Hey I just remembered I don’t think Bane(?) ever linked a spot for the other person to read from lmao

[south void]

If you had bothered to read the other things I had said it would have made more sense that I was responding to a conversation between me and others in regards to nmz. Comparing combat (which is a skill) to sailing (which again is a skill) is not delusional because they are both calculated by levels gained from XP gained. You can compare an apple to an orange because they are both fruits.

[meager flame]

i mean realistically yeah combat is the king of afk exp and pretty much always has been

so that probably should be viewed as the ceiling of true afk rates

if something was ever more than that it probably would be a big problem

[kind surge]

combat also has to be the fastest because it locks at least 50% of the game behind it

it's not a good comparison

or at least one of the easiest to level

not fastest

[meager flame]

sailing is kind of on the same road if not quite as important

since now sailing is going to be gating tons of locations and activities going forward

[south void]

My point was that yes, skills have different rates but no one was complaining about the rates aside from the extractor. Nmz they felt was too high rates for too little effort and it took literal years to knock it down to 20 minutes of afk. But in their blog they used the term "extreme" afking as 20-30 minutes. Not everyone considers that as "extreme" and the majority of players were not at or doing the so called "extreme" 20-30 minute afking

[finite tapir]

but no one was complaining about the rates aside from the extractor

[meager flame]

thats why i was saying earlier if sailing had released with like idk mining rates

[finite tapir]

[meager flame]

it would probably be an issue

[kind surge]

I mean atm it doesn't really

[meager flame]

tbh its already kind of a lot of work especially if you aren't playing a standard account

because leveling up sailing to really go places implies you've trained a pretty good amount of other skills

[kind surge]

I also feel like sailing should've been left in development a bit longer to flesh out exploration

[meager flame]

where most other skills dont really work that way

[south void]

I'll just not respond, if you aren't willing to read the entire statement. Picking apart only the areas you don't agree with isn't a conversation.

[meager flame]

like for an iron if you have idk lets say 78 sailing to go to all of the places

it implies you've been able to somehow upgrade your ship that far

[kind surge]

what are the xp rates we're looking at rn

post nerf

[south void]

You can agree or disagree, but taking the entire opinion of what I have to say out of context and calling me delusional isn't discussion it's immature.

[meager flame]

for full afk rune hooks like 33k for me the last two days

so definitely not the best afk any longer

[hasty shard]

30k/h at mercenary for 1h afk

[meager flame]

even among skilling stuff and not counting combat

[kind surge]

that sounds fine to me honestly for pure afk

[fringe rivet]

30 minutes of afk is still the best afk

[hasty shard]

you dont understand you have to like drop things 200 times after that hour!

[kind surge]

lol

[meager flame]

i kind of see it as a bit low because like

[steady brook]

30k+ for literal pure afk is still insane lmao

[kind surge]

low compared to what

combat?

[finite tapir]

your points are based on false pretences, one cannot just compare two skills simply because they are both skills, and yes, two different skills can have "extreme" afk on different metrics ... because they are two different skills, with two different sets of standards. a lot of players were doing the "extreme" afking, it doesn't necessarily have to be a majority for it to be problematic

[meager flame]

other afk stuff that i would've probably done at or near level 87+

[heavy ledge]

My new conspiracy theory is that they pushed out the old CEO cuz he wanted to delay sailing lol

[meager flame]

its probably closer to 50k a lot of the time

[hasty shard]

if you dont want to drop stuff you can just blow your boat up even

[meager flame]

but they're not quite as afk

i honestly think you should just have to click your boat more often

[heavy ledge]

And/or release it without combat in the first batch

[hasty shard]

im pretty sure you can sail right down to mercenarys from deepfin or merchants at the right angle

i saw a post on that

unless it was lying

[steady brook]

No no that would require people to not be afk

[kind surge]

most people don't want to play osrs nowadays

no one would want that lol

[fringe rivet]

30 minutes of afk is literally maximum afk. You get logged after that

[finite tapir]

melvor idle

[meager flame]

yeah but like to really get it in line with the other styles of afk we actually might do

[kind surge]

I always found it so funny that osrs players don't want it to be like rs3

[hasty shard]

logout timer is tied to fps. if you set it to like 3 you can afk longer than 30 minutes

[meager flame]

getting it up to like 50k but asking you to be a little more attentive is fair

[kind surge]

but then need stuff like strong afk methods to level

[meager flame]

that would actually fit in with the rest of the game

[hasty shard]

i dont think salvaging ever really gets more intensive than like barb fishing imo

[kind surge]

when one of the biggest "complaints" people have on rs3 is that it's easyscape afk

[meager flame]

barb fishing is actually one of the better examples because you can afk that for like idk around 50k

[south void]

All skills are measured by XP. That's a fact. If they want the XP in one skill to be slower than the other skill that's ok I agree with that. What I don't agree with is how they had a mechanic that made sense, and changed it to make less sense than before. Plain and simple. Comparing nmz afk combat XP to one form of sailing XP wasn't delusional because it's the same basis of the entire game. There are multiple ways to train ALL the skills, and the update discourages one of the play styles that a large portion of people enjoyed.

[meager flame]

but you have to manage it and click more often than afk salvage

[finite tapir]

they don't want it to be like rs3 in the achievement sense, if the max rate is ""low"" (it isn't) but they get a majority of that from afking, they can benefit from the prestige of having finished a ""slow"" (it isn't) skill without putting any effort in

[glass fog]

They didn’t need to lower the xp rates. They just needed to make your crew members stop working if you hadn’t clicked on anything for like 7 mins

[fringe rivet]

People are overblowing it. The path of least resistance being nerfed is fine

[meager flame]

same thing with other stuff like bone shard mining

[hasty shard]

it would feel kinda weird for your crew to just refuse to work after a bit imo

[kind surge]

so something that needs more attention gives more xp?

[hasty shard]

it doesnt feel super elegant so i see why theyve not decided to like immediately do that

[kind surge]

sounds fine to me

[heavy ledge]

Can you show your work there?

[hasty shard]

if you made cleaning salvage slower and gathering salvage was a lot faster you could worsen the afk whilst not being weirdly disruptive imo

[meager flame]

yes i do think that the actual level of afk that salvage offers is probably

just not good

[south void]

Player retention is based on how fun the game is. Period. Maxed players don't just max their accounts and stop playing osrs.

[meager flame]

like if people are on the servers they should reasonably be in the same room most of the time lol

[south void]

Their reasoning behind the changes was player retention and longevity of the playerbase.

[meager flame]

actually just dipping for 30 mins is kind of excessive and its hard to say thats gameplay

[opal scroll]

I just wish sailing wasn't so self-serving. It seems I level sailing primarily to... level sailing better.

People keep comparing it to agility but at least agility is useful outside of quest requirements and area unlocks.

It compares to firemaking a lot to me, but instead of quest requirements we are just unlocking training methods for other skills.

Sail a lot to, unlock crabs and never sail during that activity.

Sail a lot to, unlock trees I go chop.

Sail a lot to,... you get the idea.

The only one that kinda is still sailing is the fishing one, but its mostly fishing.

Sailing combat is awful and was just pushed off for the future, which means it wont be fixed until after the holidays at the bear minimum (likely longer).

Trials, while fun, aware just sailing xp. this is ok, makes sense.

Port tasks award, wait... still just sailing xp, but less, and a pittance of gp... wait why would I do these?

So the only true attraction for the skill, as a skill that has tangible repeatable rewards, is salvaging. Which not only had the xp nerfed, but the loot as well. And the activity itself is literally sorting through trash, which is now heavily disincentivized due to bad rates.

Prior to this nerf I was planning to move around to salvages after 99 on the iron. Now the skill is just dead content after 99 and only serves as an area/max cape gate. Salvaging being useful was cool for a few weeks.

Firemaking 2 Electric boogaloo.

[meager flame]

this could low key be really funny

[hasty shard]

i dont get why they decided to remove loot from port tasks

[meager flame]

your crew could just start talking about how stupid and useless you are for falling asleep on the job

[hasty shard]

like they gave items in the alpha 😭

[fringe rivet]

Bet the salvage worlds are still full

[hasty shard]

why is it just gp now

they are pretty much

[fringe rivet]

Wait, they did??

[kind surge]

port tasks should 100% give out item rewards

[opal scroll]

and a pittance at that. its like leaving a waiter a .01 cent tip. I'd rather get nothing at all.

[south void]

Exactly this

[meager flame]

yeah they talked about it at one point where they were like

[restive siren]

I think the argument of "they ruined the part of sailing people enjoyed" is so bad. Quite clearly nobody enjoyed that part of the gameplay, they just enjoyed the free exp. The gameplay didnt change. Now i do think that they should look at making other methods more fun and enticing but lets not pretend everyone loved salvaging so much, they just liked account progress without playing the game

[meager flame]

what should port tasks reward you with

[hasty shard]

yes but considering we were capped at lvl 30 it was dogshit items like mith scims and iron arrows

[meager flame]

and somehow played it off like settling for just gp was a good thing

and even then i was sitting there like wow that sounds dumb

[hasty shard]

gp AND shark paint

batchest!

[heavy ledge]

76*240 = 18,240 tho?

[timid scarab]

Not a reply to your message at first, but when I was about to post you posted yours 😅 I fully agree.

I find it wild how no bosses were introduced on release. So many possibilities for cool bosses utilising the ship and crewmates for movement, while you're attacking yourself either through cannons or with reg weapons.

A big kraken generating tsunamis that you need to dodge/hide behind debris. Need to disable/weaken each tentacle using combat/cannons/the environment (maybe putting traps on debris and baiting a tentacle swipe that then results in the tentacle getting stuck and you can then damage it)

maelstrom that you need to calm down, geometrically similar to tempoross. Can spawn whirlpools you need to dodge, move away from etc. Alters how the boat moves, creates a dynamic scene/battle.

speedy large megalodon that dashes around where you need to predict movements, place out objects from facilities while using reg weapons/cannons to attack etc.

^ All thought of within 10 seconds of thinking - obviously the team has thought of bosses as well, but it's just baffling how they thought a new skill could be introduced in 2025 with the current community and not have any bossing whatsoever.

A strong reason for the current shit storm with the XP nerf is due to sailing as it stands is mostly a self-contained skill where the skill is the xp itself and not the content you do. Obviously some people find the current methods actually enjoyable, but the majority of the playerbase enjoy OSRS because of combat, fun and interesting bosses and the performance optimization space that it gives.
Obviously, take away that and of course a lot of people that don't enjoy the skill will get mad when the road to 99 is arbitrarily nerfed by 30-40%.

Like, they had 3 years of development, a huge amount of work was put down into creating the sailing base with movement, the engine tech etc. When all of that is done, why not allocate a bit more time into integrating bossing into it? Refining the current combat system to something actually engaging and fun?

They have a lot of resources. A lot of devs. Surely SOMETHING developed by the awesome devs that have created amazing PvM encounters so far in the game would be better than nothing at all, even if the combat system right now is awful (can be pretty greatly improved by simply increasing damage dealt by cannons or the ease of which you get cannonballs)?

[hasty shard]

its kinda funny how common the paint is from port tasks

[fringe rivet]

Probably not to bloat our inventories doing cargo runs sounds like tbh

[meager flame]

they put a deposit box on like every dock though

because they probably planned to give you stuff

[fringe rivet]

Honestly sounds like port tasks are unfinished

[meager flame]

they're even on the docks that have a bank

for some insane reason

it definitely seems like it was from a different design earlier

[hasty shard]

130 xp per salvage basically

[meager flame]

or maybe they like

[hasty shard]

like im still sorting because its martial and there is a 1/16k item drop

[meager flame]

actually thought someone would bank their salvage

and if they thought that god bless them

[ember grove]

There are some insane people that do that

[south void]

The gameplay for a fact did change. Salvaging is not the same as it was before. Quite clearly everyone enjoyed salvaging otherwise we wouldn't be having thousands upset over the change. Stating untrue claims doesn't make your opinion any less valuable but just because you found it not fun does not mean anyone else wasn't having fun doing it the way it was before the change.

[heavy ledge]

Why tf did I read mercenary as pirate lmao

[restive siren]

I mean every skill is just an avenue to do other things no? You fletch for combat, you do construction for clues and combat and storage, you do mining for ToA or training smithing or diaries, there are no skills you just do for the sake of doing the skill really. I do agree port tasks could use a reward system. But i think sailing unlocking new trees, new mobs and the new bis food and new potions is very cool. It would have been way worse if it didnt do any of that, its more integrated already than some other skills in osrs are. And theyll continue to release sailing content over the next year, its still early days

[fringe rivet]

Maybe on land sorting could reward full xp?

[meager flame]

i cant even imagine lmao just sailing for minutes with your cargo hold then cleaning it all on the dock and banking it

holy shit they'd be getting like 5k exp/hr

[hasty shard]

30k/h for 1 hour of doing nothing is kinda nutty i wish i got that for other gathering skills 😭

banking is ass

[fringe rivet]

Sometimes I'd bank my raw salvage to clean later tbh

[kind surge]

let's not be misleading, enjoyed salvaging? it's more like "preferred salvaging" because it's no effort afk

[hasty shard]

and that decision paid off 😭

[still sundial]

I'd prefer the combat is functional before introducing bosses for it

[kind surge]

you can't really enjoy playing the game if you're not playing the game

[hasty shard]

its functional it just sucks

[restive siren]

you can still salvage for almost the same exp/hour as if you just drop it and you get the chance at big loot. And you didnt read my point it seems. My point is people think or pretend they enjoyed salvaging when they just enjoyed the exp rates. Responding with "but everyone is upset about the nerfed exp" isnt a counterargument to that, it is in fact proving my point

[meager flame]

i mean you might feel enjoyment from knowing you're progressing without actually playing

[heavy ledge]

I’d prefer the combat is functional before releasing sailing combat

[meager flame]

im sure thats why some people bot actually

[fringe rivet]

Yea they just want the no effort xp lol

[kind surge]

the xp is fine and I find it dumb that people are complaining about it

what's not fine is the time to obtain sailing upgrades

[hasty shard]

i think merchant xp might be slightly too nerfed

[kind surge]

and people have mentioned that for salvaging, since it got nerfed to 5t

[timid scarab]

Yes, but how could the skill be greenlight with combat being in the current state? Throughout the history of OSRS they've constantly said that when/if releasing a skill - the base that's introduced needs to be perfect because of the stigma around a new skill. It just screams higher-ups pushing for a release to tick some boxes

[kind surge]

so please let's complain about that instead of full afk no effort xp rates

[meager flame]

yeah im ngl the rate that you gain salvage getting slower actually hurt

[timid scarab]

Just makes me uneasy for the future of the game

[meager flame]

even though im 99

[jagged marsh]

These are all really good ideas for bosses, and I'm surprised they didn't release at least one Money Printer style boss (Vork, zulrah, muspah) locked behind a high level as an incentive

[meager flame]

i was sitting there like

man i should've afked salvage even harder

[ember grove]

A friend pointed out that they initially didn’t have the salvaging table at all if you read the newspost in a bit more depth

So the intended gameplay loop through almost all of development if not all was in fact absolutely atrocious xp/hr if you want to keep your loot, or dropping everything if not

Which probably explains the devs panicking that people were playing the game “wrong” since in their minds it wasn’t supposed to exist at all, as a dev ego thing (understandable but best avoided)

And also why the turtle pet doesn’t come from sorting at all

[kind surge]

it's such a stupid design choice from the devs

[meager flame]

can you imagine getting a dragon cannon having to sail back and clean the salvage

[kind surge]

why make it bot content, that the only reasonable way to get it is to buy it from ge?

[dawn jackal]

dropping salvage doesn't really make sense logically. you can kinda twist your brain to make dropping ore and logs make sense

i do hope that gameplay loop gets better

[hasty shard]

its still like this for trawling btw

[kind surge]

"irons farming the upgrades have to be suffering! it's like yama contracts!"

[ember grove]

My guess is that they ran out of time to polish the skill

[dawn jackal]

but the rates right now seem very fine

[hasty shard]

granted your cargo fills a lot slower than salvaging

[south void]

Are you answering from multiple perspectives as a main, hcim, ironman, and uim or just as a main? I enjoyed salvaging (as it was) as well as many others. I no longer enjoy salvaging (as it is) as well as many others. It's not a debate of what other methods were more or less viable. Preferred is just the term you are using to describe how those players wanted to have "fun" playing a game. Which is what it's meant to be.

[meager flame]

oh yeah they for sure ran out of time

[opal scroll]

Sure, some skills are self-serving, but they also aren't skills that would pass today, ala firemaking.

So, when I hit 99 fletching I'll still fletch for ammo.

When I hit 99 construction you got me there.

When I hit 99 mining I'll still mine ores I need to use (mostly amethyst).

when I hit 99 sailing, why would I EVER return?

Sailing has the opportunity to make it one of the "good" skills you want to still do past 99. I would expect any modern skill to have activities worth doing past 99.

For combat skills or farming do you stop at 99? Even mains don't do that, why? because they are either fun, rewarding, useful, etc.

Sailing really only exists to train itself. Everything else could have easily been just shifted to quest unlocks. That was one of the original concerns when it was proposed, and now it kinda still exists.

Do I think it'll stay that way forever? No. But I don't think its a primary focus and thats a problem imo.

If you build it they will come.

If it is fun or rewarding, they will do it.

[meager flame]

the skill is just so massive that its an inch deep and a mile wide at points

[hasty shard]

you can hold like 2000 fish or so i think so ~ 3.5 hours of fishing before needing to bank

[meager flame]

because they just tried to do too many things

[jagged marsh]

There aren't many areas where this is optimal any more. Lots of bank deposits. Fishing is probably the only one where it makes sense to drop your inv.

Post sort salvage is worth dropping too

[fringe rivet]

Honestly, on board salvage sorting is only slightly worst exp than just continuing to self salvage

[hasty shard]

yeah sailing needs better resources

[heavy ledge]

Wait sorry going back to this, the math still isn’t right because crew salvage for reduced XP

Unless you meant merchant not mercenary

[jagged marsh]

What even is the salvage loop for most people? I get a full inventory, sort it, alch anything worth alching and drop the rest. Once the cargo is full from my crewmate, I clean that out and go back to salvaging.

[hasty shard]

100 xp + 30 from sorting

[meager flame]

basically if it stacks i keep it if not welcome to the ground

[restive siren]

at 99 sailing you will still trawl for bis food, you will still farm corals for potions, you will still farm mobs for the ship upgrades you didnt get yet, you will still sail places for clues, you will sail to places to train slayer. And most likely you will sail to raids 4 or other new boss islands in a couple of months. Its way less self serving than most other skills imo

[dawn jackal]

efficient skilling methods all require dropping or not collecting the resource

[ember grove]

Sailing needs something that makes you really want boat upgrades and facilities and w/e, assuming drop rates aren’t nightmarish

So basically bosses with uniques or water sepulcher but with looting and damage taken

[surreal wind]

if they dont want people to afk for 30 minutes the easiest fix is to force you to change shipwrecks

[small anvil]

If you're actually playing you should wait till no boats are up to sort

[hasty shard]

actually yeah

why did they not just double shipwreck uptime 😭

[heavy ledge]

Lol sorting isn’t part of the 1 hour afk imo because you can’t, well, 1 hour afk it

[small anvil]

And not wait to full

[jagged marsh]

I meant more like, what's the flow? Do people fill inv > sort > drop > repeat until cargo full > sort cargo > fill inv

[meager flame]

yeah im sure this is coming in the future

[heavy ledge]

For the same time you could just be salvaging yourself

[weak lichen]

Over/under we get blog update before 5 pm GMT?

[meager flame]

oh basically salvage put into box until full or until theres no salvage spot then clean

[hasty shard]

1 hour afk -> 5-6 minutes sorting -> 1 hour

[small anvil]

I do wonder how much of the nerfed rates are due to ship uptime though

[surreal wind]

Force people to salvage in a circle, like salvage the shipwreck, move on to the next etc

[jagged marsh]

Ahhh clean between spot switching! That's high tech!

[sacred skiff]

The reduced ship uptime phrased as a buff is really frustrating

[south void]

You are not understanding the mechanic of how salvaging works did in fact change the way it previously was. Your point is the majority are upset about the XP rates. That's your opinion not a fact. You are disregarding for a FACT that the previous mechanic setup for salvaging (not including extractor) was fun and after they for a FACT changed it discouraged a lot of the playerbase who were enjoying it

[jagged marsh]

FivemillionHead actually

[hasty shard]

i could get like 20k/h probably if i just blew up and sailed back

[jagged marsh]

I should have thought of that lol

[hasty shard]

still an hour afk

[meager flame]

im pretty sure this was accidental

they probably thought it was a buff not realizing that they were dropping your uptime

[opal scroll]

I will fish, farm, and farm mobs.

Otherwise im running between places, oops I mean sailing between them.

Its not a skill its just a means of travel and currently doesnt justify itself being a skill.

I'm almost 99 so I really dont care that much, but they failed at one of the main things they tried not to.

I think they can fix it, but not if its not the focus.

[heavy ledge]

That’s not really a 1 hour afk imo but I guess we’ll have to disagree

[hasty shard]

its 5 to six minutes of also like a minute of afk sequences

you cant speed up cleaning

[surreal wind]

Force people to move between shipwrecks is the perfect solution, you can't change my mind on that

[hasty shard]

you gotta do the occasional click burst for any other afk lol

gotta drop things for wc etc, click absorptions for nmz (or spend gp/h with blood fury guthans ig vs salvage being free)

[small anvil]

They added doubles so like, I don't think that's their goal

[heavy ledge]

Right, in this case it’d be dropping and then going back imo. So 100 xp * 240

[hasty shard]

yeah

i mean hopeeefully they buff salvage xp again so its more notable 😭

[restive siren]

what exactly changed that changes the salvaging gameplay people enjoyed in a significant way? And before you say its not worth the exp, its just minimally worse than dropping salvage and you still want to sort to get the big ticket items so im not seeing that as a good argument

[surreal wind]

Still don't make them right, they complained about the 1 hour afk for the rates

[hasty shard]

fwiw merchant salvage is a lot of stacking items, you arent dropping 240 items cleaning

[meager flame]

im just begging them

[hasty shard]

i kinda hate the '~300' click number being thrown about because of this

[meager flame]

please upgrade my gem bag

[heavy ledge]

So it’s 24k afk at mercenary, 31k at merchant

[meager flame]

i actually would like to keep some of these red topaz

but its just so far from a bank they're not something i will keep

[surreal wind]

Runecrafting levels of progression lol

[small anvil]

I just sorted on the way to the bank

And kept topaz

When herb sack was full

[hasty shard]

i wonder if theres a bug to just deposit anywhere tbh

[charred acorn]

With respect to the drop rates, we’re ray barbs meant to be a 1/150 and albatross feather 1/200? If so that’s fucking diabolical

[sacred skiff]

I banked like 200 topaz with the imps I prepped for sailing thinking they'd be useful lol

[small anvil]

Like 5 or 6 hours for that too happen

[meager flame]

yeah this is what i do but like

we probably drop like lmao

[hasty shard]

it'd be so funny if you could just like use magic box on an item in the cargo hold and it banks the entire stack

[sacred skiff]

they weren't, but 200 topaz will surely last the rest of my VW grind

[heavy ledge]

Except RC isn’t 1 hour afk unfortunately

[meager flame]

actual thousands of red topaz doing that

[small anvil]

Oh well those aren't real lol

Even if gem bag was like herb

[hasty shard]

i refuse to believe they didnt shadow nerf these

[meager flame]

i actually would be curious to ask them how cargo stacking works

[small anvil]

We would be full in like an hour

[restive siren]

Trawling is absolutely sailing and has nothing to do with regular fishing gameplay, farming i agree and ship combat (although in an admittedly rough state rn and being worked on by jagex) is very distinct too. But also, i think your expectations might have been off a bit? I always expected sailing to mainly be a method of travel with a couple of things to do while sailing but also to reach new places to get new resources there. And thats pretty much what was advertised too, they talked nonstop about their islands

[meager flame]

idk if you've noticed but if you click the unstack button it puts everything in the order you put it in originally

so i think salvage might actually not stack

and its just visual

[south void]

You now have to salvage and sort "longer" to get the loot you wanted before because they changed the shipwreck spawn to 6 instead of 5 and now you require more moving than before to actually salvage locations as well as slowing down the tick speeds farther than improving catch success. You have to hop worlds MORE to avoid the shipwreck areas they added near aggressive mobs from being inactive OR carry repair kits to repair your boat while salvaging whereas before you didn't need to at all.

[meager flame]

i'd just be curious to see how the implemented it

[ember grove]

They didn’t and just had the numbers very wrong, but who knows their intent

Maybe the rates are bugged to not be horrible lol

[meager flame]

to see if its like how gold bars stack in your bank but not inventory

or if they did something weird to remember the real order

[thorny dragon]

whats the craic are they waiting until 4:59 to post an update then give it legs out the office

[opal scroll]

idk, at every stage of feedback I said it needed to justify itself. and a few times was replied to that it would. and it doesnt really feel like it does. thats just my opinion but to each his own.

[small anvil]

It probably just remembers exact position and the stacking is a summary

[south void]

Nothing I've said in this entire channel since yesterday was complaining about the XP rates. It's been about changing the core mechanics of how salvaging WAS done vs. how it is NOW.

[charred acorn]

It was that the rates were bugged to not be terrible.

[small anvil]

Which is a flagrant waste of memory for no reason really

[ember grove]

That or a big ongoing argument between ”emergent gameplay is good” and “noooo they’re having fun wrong” regarding sorting, I expect

[meager flame]

i do think there is like a fundamental line they probably should've drawn where like

[heavy ledge]

JMod tryna flip some barbs and feathers

[hasty shard]

theyre tying up mod goblin on a crucifix

[sacred skiff]

However they balance sorting xp, justifying it as "sorting isn't the main part of salvaging" in the previous blog is just stupid

[meager flame]

just throwing your salvage away being the best play after you sort it is one thing

[ember grove]

The thing is, apparently nothing changed in practice, the wiki rates are still right

So maybe goblin grabbed the wrong dev ticket or something

[meager flame]

thats like how you might drop teak logs

but when sorting is part of the actual gameplay loop and exp

[sacred skiff]

You salvage a pile of possibly useful shit. But you don't know what it is until you sort it. That's literally half the idea of salvaging

[meager flame]

and people stop doing that step

thats probably not good

[sacred skiff]

They they're saying "isn't really the part you care about"

[hasty shard]

yeahh like teak logs dont give more wc xp for processing them

lol make salvage cleaning give crafting xp

[restive siren]

Ok ill happily admit that adding new spots was a big mistake even though they had good intentions with that change. They should revert that. But also i have read that complaint about 3 times while i have read people crying about exp rates about 3000 times, people are upset that they have to play the game more and they are mostly deluding themselves that its not fun anymore or using it as an emotional argument

[small anvil]

Should have made salvage give archeology xp

[kind surge]

let him cook

[ember grove]

The whole idea of infinite junk like the spice capacity of mexican cuisine stuck undiscovered in my cargo hold felt like incentive to so exactly this

[hasty shard]

OK the amount that people like salvaging i feel like they could unironically add arch lmao

people would loooove grinding material spots

[kind surge]

that's what I'm saying

[restive siren]

if you personally have done that thats good to hear, i was just making a comment about how terrible i think the argument is in most uses

[kind surge]

arch is one of the best skills in rs3 though, I'm not joking

[meager flame]

that skill by its name alone gives me bad vibes

[sacred skiff]

who tf wants to drink a jug of wine they just pulled out of the ocean lol

[meager flame]

i remember doing it in wow is probably the problem

[small anvil]

I have 0 idea what the skill actually entails in rs3

[ember grove]

I mean I actually like archeology in WoW (I don’t play rs3) so sure lol

[small anvil]

Didn't people like buy that sorta thing at auction

[hasty shard]

buyable (with time gates) w/ passive buffs

[meager flame]

lmao i hated it so much in wow

[small anvil]

Irl

[ember grove]

(I trained it exclusively through the darkmoon fair lol)

[sacred skiff]

Oh true lol ig if the wine we found was sealed

I was picturing like literally a jug of ocean water

[small anvil]

Yeah like not in a jug

[hasty shard]

im so mad its not wines of zammy

[meager flame]

i just remember when it originally came out and i was like

[sacred skiff]

There was a whole white collar on forging old wines

[small anvil]

But a bottle definitely

[south void]

I can agree some are upset because they want better afk exp. That's not the only issue or pain point in the conversations we are having as a whole. As a whole, the mechanics of salvaging were fine as there were before the update. Extractor, XP rates, and player laziness aside, they changed the core mechanics of how it was before and that's the part that I disagree with.

[meager flame]

so you want me to fly across the world click on a couple of rocks then do it again

and have to rng my way to the rewards

[sacred skiff]

Althoughhh we do have bottles of wine in game, and we get jugs here

[meager flame]

lmao i was pissed

[sacred skiff]

So I think these are actually just jugs of moscato ocean water

[kind surge]

there's the traditional gathering skill part (camp excavation sites either afk, or be active and follow a sprite that boosts excavation), and then the "mysteries" part (puzzles you have to solve that gets tracked in your archaeology journal)

the puzzles are legit good quest puzzle-tier

[ember grove]

Tbh when put like this it already feels like an osrs activity

[kind surge]

some were pretty eh though

[small anvil]

That sounds like salvaging and charting

But on land lol

[meager flame]

yeah its actually super osrs related for something in wow

[sacred skiff]

I feel like I missed out on charting honestly

Some of the things you charted had really good examine texts

But I didn't notice until I was nearly done

[small anvil]

I did the first day or two manually

[kind surge]

I mean charting seemed primitive compared to mysteries, at least for me

[small anvil]

I didn't read the examine though

[sacred skiff]

Since it doesn't like read them to you or put them in your chat log just by charting it

[small anvil]

Never been into that

[kind surge]

and I heard no good things about the "puzzles" from the mermaids lol

[tender peak]

The monkey's paw curls. Drops are replaced by jugs of bad wine

[ember grove]

Charting was by far the most fun part of sailing…with the wiki map open lol

[meager flame]

my only problem with charting were the mermaids

[sacred skiff]

It's gettin dropped either way lmao

[meager flame]

i feel like they built that so you would open the wiki

[sacred skiff]

No one's saving these wines

[south void]

XP for me isn't the issue, I've been wcing demon tears for 5k wcing XP on my main for weeks at a full 35 minutes afk with infernal axe and log basket. All I gotta do is wiggle my screen when my 34 minute timer goes off once every 34 minutes and then after 1.5 hours drop the logs out of the basket and inventory.

[meager flame]

the weather event isn't much better either

[sacred skiff]

Maybe jobless jim is just housing them and is shitfaced

[meager flame]

they're both things where you should just never actually figure it out and have the wiki or plugin tell you what to do

[small anvil]

We should be able to pay crew in the salvage we drop

[ember grove]

Weather was way worse than mermaids

Mermaids ranged from clever to insane but at least the wiki has answers, weather was janky and slow

[sacred skiff]

weather was nuts

[restive siren]

then we can agree on that 👍 im just tired of the "jagex hates casual players" "jagex ruined this skill" "we are never voting on another skill again" "fuck all the jmods" you read getting spammed 24/7. they made one part of the skill a bit worse (a part that isnt really the core gameplay of the skill fwiw) and they already responded that they are looking at acting on the feedback, people are just so overdramatic over this game its insane

[sacred skiff]

When you had a single tile on some of them

[kind surge]

honestly I do see the similarities now that you mentioned it (even if it's a joke)

[hasty shard]

current duck and weather radar are the same thing mechanically

like you just go to x point lol

[fringe rivet]

That's not how that works, like at all. You have to salvage more, not sort more. There's a difference.

[kind surge]

captain's log is just the archaeology journal to keep track of info

[meager flame]

some of the weather locations interact with your boat very strangely

[small anvil]

Weather was ok doing it manually

[kind surge]

but honestly it's implemented worse than how arch did it

[meager flame]

like you're a quarter tile off but otherwise inside of the correct tile

and it just wont work

[small anvil]

But there was an invisible wall in one spot

[meager flame]

but others you can kinda get to work from anywhere

im not sure why that happens

[small anvil]

It takes player position

[ember grove]

The like 1 tilewide weather centers inside a pile of sharks just felt insulting lol

[small anvil]

And boat keeps you from going close enough in a spot I think

[sacred skiff]

I loved how the duck was so intent on his job

that he'd just cruise through shark-infested waters like it was nothing

[meager flame]

plugins make the duck insane

[small anvil]

Duck thought his job was to kill you

[meager flame]

like i did a whole lap around the great conch on my main picking up all the events

[fringe rivet]

I wish we could take the duck home with us once we finish all our charters

[ember grove]

God bless the current duck’s quest to get my boat stuck on world geometry

[small anvil]

The duck near glide is evil

[meager flame]

and met my duck finishing his route on the other end

[fringe rivet]

I want to put him in our poh

give him a nice retirement

he's a hardworking duck

[small anvil]

It tries to accidentally make you go into a portal

[south void]

You can't get the items from just salvaging them, you have to sort them which requires more sorting and salvaging. To sort the salvage you have to salvage more so what are you saying that's not how it works? They are intertwined.

[sacred skiff]

Wouldn't be too out of place since they're doling out free pets left and right nowadays for the poh

[hasty shard]

im kinda surprised how lenient the duck is lol

[kind surge]

honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the mob hordes were an afterthought and they just randomly added them whereever they thought seemed empty enough lol

[small anvil]

And gl getting back anywhere in glide area post portal

[ember grove]

I did the 1st time and had no idea what the hell was going on lol

[kind surge]

considering that sailing combat is in a piss poor state

[hasty shard]

it feels like you're meant to follow it but you can kinda just like
not

[fringe rivet]

The amount you sort stays the same. The amount you need to salvage may have changed.

[meager flame]

you can actually ride into the sunset and come back for the duck lol

[sacred skiff]

Lumpty Bumpty, Mayor, Frumpty Scumpty, Chair, Broav, Numpty Pumpty

[hasty shard]

the chair from halloween event

oh you said that

fk

[meager flame]

maybe its because of other games influencing me but it feels like it should despawn if you go too far

[muted knoll]

another successful update from jagex yesterday very nice

[meager flame]

but it really does not

[hasty shard]

im glad they arent full on pets at least

[muted knoll]

i just wish they made salvaging top out at 20k xp an hour

[meager flame]

i actually teleported to a bank with a drink with my duck out

and got back to it in time

[sacred skiff]

Dude put your duck away

[meager flame]

lmao

[south void]

You can't sort that amount without salvaging it first. So you salvage 27,000 salvages and sort through all 27,000 vs. previously it was less time to salvage those 27,000 and sort those 27,000? You can't have one without the other. You must salvage to sort.

[fringe rivet]

It'd be like saying the amount of logs you have to burn has increased cuz the nerfed woodcutting speeds.

I get your point but the way you wrote it was just, factually wrong.

[south void]

I get what you mean I worded it incorrectly earlier, what I should have said was you have to salvage and sort more? They are tied together.

[fringe rivet]

You should have just said "it now takes longer to get the d-cannon barrel"

[meager flame]

jagex if you're reading this please put the cannon somewhere else

i promise it will move tons of people off of salvaging

[muted knoll]

24 hour later and hes still giving shit takes smh

[heavy ledge]

Hm clogs are locked behind salvaging too?

[meager flame]

i think theres 1 per salvage spot right

[small anvil]

1 per ship type and a paint

And dragon cannon

[heavy ledge]

So 10

[ember grove]

I agree on moving the cannon

Half the problem is the horrendous drop rate making people feel stuck there for ship upgrades

And nerfs making that grind feel much worse

[heavy ledge]

8+2

[meager flame]

the part to me that really sticks out is that even though it is thematic i see how they wanted you to like

get them from ancient ships or whatever

getting bis combat stuff from afk gathering is not how this game typically works

[south void]

I changed it to salvage and sort for "longer" instead of more, since what I stated was meant to portray as time not quantity.

[meager flame]

they could've just made like idk

[fringe rivet]

ty

[heavy ledge]

But they’re on fire sticking out of the ocean?

[meager flame]

skeleton pirate ships attack me and i get the dragon cannon barrel from farming them

[ember grove]

The funny part is that it’s a merchant ship

The ship carrying paint is a warship and the ship with the huge gun is a trading ship

[small anvil]

I do believe it won't be the best/only way forever

[opal scroll]

Everyone here concerned about the dragon cannon but they could give me 4 free dragon cannons and they still wouldn't be worth using. Ship combat blows and should have been addressed (even if it was temporary damage fixes) this patch.

Aint nobody wanna wait til after the holidays (and likely longer) to participate in ship combat.

also WHY ARE ALL THE SPOTS MULTI!?

[heavy ledge]

Or even go do something underwater, we have the new necklace for underwater combat now

[heavy ledge]

But I get that that’s not really “sailing content”

[meager flame]

ah you forget

that necklace is intended to be as useless as possible

idk why

[muted knoll]

you landblubbers just wouldnt get it

[meager flame]

its also weird because

for some reason underwater is very inconsistent in osrs

im pretty sure every underwater area in the game is different

[heavy ledge]

Yeah sounds about right

[small anvil]

Lol probably

[opal scroll]

that diving necklace is insanely bad. Also I was so stoked when I saw the mermaids concept was diving only to... black screen then come back up immediately lmao.
I was hoping for underwater caverns and shit.

[ember grove]

My guess is that mod maz wrote bespoke code for fossil island instead of stealing it from the rfd area

[small anvil]

"Let's implement it in this bespoke way" x20

[heavy ledge]

Lol prob actually why the necklace doesn’t work there either

[meager flame]

im pretty sure it doesn't work specifically because of the thieving activity

and they dont want that to be good

so they just yeeted the necklace instead of spending time they probably didn't have to have a good solution

[ember grove]

Yeah but diving gear also doesn’t work there

[heavy ledge]

Oh right duh haha

[obsidian venture]

Would have loved to explore the underwater and I wonder if they’d implement this

[meager flame]

and its just awkward because like

thats kind of the only reason you'd be underwater

[heavy ledge]

Groot does not approve of the necklace

[meager flame]

i imagine we probably will dive underwater for real at some point

[ember grove]

In theory, just add the same code to check for necklace too, or better yet have both the set and the item yield a “can you breathe underwater? Yes” variable set to true to check against for futureproofing

In practice, lol no

[opal scroll]

The skill needed to cook 2 more years.

[meager flame]

it should be pretty easy like instead of an island we're gonna have a whirlpool you click on to dive off your boat

and put whatever down there

im sorta surprised they didn't already do that

but probably something to do with art team

[opal scroll]

instead we got port tasks

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-gif-24210192

[ember grove]

Art team was overloaded already, they made an insane amount of stuff, most of it excellent

[meager flame]

they could even tie it all into the world in crazy ways

like that could be an alternative way to get to guardians of the rift

although iirc we dont have that part of the ocean yet

so maybe that will actually happen

[heavy ledge]

Yeah I think it’s east of mory

[kind surge]

south of mory iirc

[fringe rivet]

chat's basically #sailing-chat2 with less trolls

[fringe rivet]

the necklace is a bit op when compared to other teleports

[heavy ledge]

Yeah, eastern ocean which is south of mory

[fringe rivet]

It needs a higher charge cost, and a charge load that isn't literally 10,000

[heavy ledge]

I think you replied to the wrong person. I was just referencing using it for seaweed runs

[fringe rivet]

ah, sorry I was assuming you meant the sailor's ammy

[hasty shard]

im like 99% sure vampyre krakens are meant to be in the mory sea

if mory sea comes and and they arent moved wtf 😭

[south void]

I think this chat is more focused towards the recent update with a little other stuff sprinkled in. The sailing chat has been unfocused imo.

[fringe rivet]

would be thematic, but I'm pretty sure real life vampire squids are based in colder climates?

[opal scroll]

The "diving but only for a specific piece of content that once you complete you can NEVER do again" necklace.

[hasty shard]

theres vampire squid then theres edgelord psychomurderer vampyre krakens

[heavy ledge]

I don’t think they’re supposed to be literal vampires? But idk

[inner hare]

everyone should capsize their boats and not recover them

show jagex that they sank sailing

[fringe rivet]

smh, why didn't the vampires just sail around the river salve?

[heavy ledge]

Hmmm maybe because it empties into ocean so now entire ocean is blessed?

[fringe rivet]

honestly might be a lore reason why our weapons suck

[small anvil]

Holy homeopathy

[fringe rivet]

and cannons, being big and bulky, can bypass some of it

[south void]

I personally like the sailing amulet that lets you teleport to the ports. Although I got them on every account from the small salvaging early on spooned so I may be a bit biased, but with the amulet and sailing you can access most of the starter areas for easier game progression instead of walking everywhere.

[fringe rivet]

actually

aren't we literally smuggling a werewolf across the river salve?

[heavy ledge]

Wait actually it’s cuz seren also crystallized herself and put shards in the ocean to keep the vampires in mory 😂😂

I wish they paid more attention to lore 🙁

[ember grove]

Yeah but she’s chill about it

We also have jolly jim who probably killed his entire crew in a series of “accidents”

[small anvil]

Is that why we can pull shards from nothing

[ember grove]

And the ghost of a guy we got killed

[south void]

Thanks for the level headed conversations it's been refreshing compared to just everyone calling each other names.

[heavy ledge]

No it’s because devs came up with a lazy solution to semi-forced content

[fringe rivet]

I'm going to repost my idea here since it got overshadowed by the exp nerfs yesterday
https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/1445636900009414777

[south void]

Time to go back to cooking some turtle soup while I try to get Soup the Turtle

[small anvil]

Aw I want us to be weakening the protections

[heavy ledge]

Already gave you a +1 lol

[willow elbow]

wtf is taking gagex so long to fix the xp?

[heavy ledge]

Here’s mine if we’re self-promoting lmao

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1443503458253672528

[ember grove]

It’s legit funny that seren apparently exploded over the ocean and land prif got super robbed

[south void]

That's actually a really cool suggestion, I gave it a +1 also.

[heavy ledge]

Goblin is single-handedly staving them off until he can go home

[willow elbow]

understandable

[fringe rivet]

balance is hard and real long term balance can sometimes require more than just changing a few numbers

[willow elbow]

took them 5 mins to ruin the skill so 😛

[small anvil]

Real long term balance also takes not just giving people what they want

[fringe rivet]

the skill isn't ruined, your low effort, afk method is nerfed

you can still chart, you can still do port tasks, you can still do trials

[willow elbow]

ofc im low effort, the skill is shit

[heavy ledge]

Yeah as soon as they learned when I was getting back into town they panick nerfed it, sorry guys

[small anvil]

That's how you get obese children lol

[willow elbow]

Rather not do one small favor to 99

[heavy ledge]

Panick. I like that lmao

[ember grove]

They need to figure out emergent gameplay vs dev intent and then need to craft a statement about it

I suspect the argument over the former is what’s taking so long

[small anvil]

Full afk was less emergent and more oversight imo

[ancient nebula]

skills ruined

cant believe im waking up to no revert

[ember grove]

Oh i don’t mean full afk

[ancient nebula]

unbelievable

[heavy ledge]

They need more QA tbh

[ember grove]

I mean sorting at all

[heavy ledge]

Wouldn’t even be having this convo if they did

[ember grove]

The boat table got added late in development

[small anvil]

Ehh there's ship downtime so the it's efficient to not sort kinda is a miss to me

[meager flame]

tbh i feel like it should be really easy for them to sort it out between those two things usually

just get like a checklist where you make sure the game isn't actually broken and if people are having fun

and if its fun for people and the game isn't just cooked

[hasty shard]

i feel like we need loot crates for items really

[meager flame]

probably leave it

[fringe rivet]

If it were up to me, I'd raise the onboard sort xp to 50%, and make on-land sort xp 100%

[hasty shard]

i cannnot fathom how original salvage was going to work well without the boat table

[fringe rivet]

currently onboard sort xp is only 30%

[ember grove]

It’s harder for a new skill probably because they do want to build on it later, but yeah

[heavy ledge]

At first I thought this was an MTX troll haha

[meager flame]

i think part of the problem is that they kind of feel ownership of their new content

[small anvil]

Sell it for gp 🙃

[hasty shard]

doing pvm on the sea kinda sucks cause you kill things for 10 minutes and oop inventory full sorry you cant put this stuff in cargo hold

[meager flame]

and so they probably shouldn't be the dev that gets to decide

[fringe rivet]

I mean, yeah? All creatives should feel that way

[ember grove]

Agreed

[hasty shard]

like we have huntsmans kit i guess but this was an unpolled banking item pretty much 😭

[small anvil]

What goes in the kit

[hasty shard]

if we could make ironwood crates that hold salvage + pvm loot for us

[acoustic robin]

personal opinion, if emergent gameplay that develops and the gameplay as 'designed' isn't being engaged with then the designed gameplay generally speaking needs to be adjusted moreso than the emergent gameplay, unless the emergent pattern is explicitly exploiting bugs/similar

[hasty shard]

thatd be neat!

[hasty shard]

[[imp box]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Magic_box

[small anvil]

Fish crate for trawling is fun

[fringe rivet]

the highest tier loot crate I found was a mahogany, and it just had red dragon leather in it

[small anvil]

Oh imp can go into kit neat

[hasty shard]

yes its very nice for trawling

and i think other aspects of sailing need it to make travel time not feel as punishing

[small anvil]

I did some trawling yesterday

[heavy ledge]

Apparently you can get d sword from crates

[hasty shard]

its like running 2 minutes for a coal rock and you can only hold 28 lol

[small anvil]

I like the loop, annoyed my boat isn't fast enough

[south void]

Other than barracuda salvage where at lvl 48 sailing, the salvage spot, dock, bank, and salvage table are all within 50 tiles.

[small anvil]

Hate having to spam click

For double rate

[meager flame]

yeah its fine they feel that way but it gets in the way of decision making afterward so it should probably be someone elses job within reason

[small anvil]

Spam clicking also has the downside of oops I'm not on the net and can't adjust it

[south void]

Checkout the ruins of unkah. It's the ideal spot at lvl 48 sailing setup without even needing the on boat salvage table.

[hasty shard]

wait wheres the good bank for mercenary salvage

or do you mean only barracuda is good

[small anvil]

Is bank boat the closest

[hasty shard]

ok unironically if putting pvm drops in the loot crate didnt show you the items until you opened them at a bank itd be so fucking funny

[small anvil]

More bank boats might be nice

[south void]

Yes, I meant they made an ideal spot for only ONE specific type of salvage and at that specific level. Would have been ok without salvaging table on the boat if it was setup everywhere with that example.

[meager flame]

im ngl i knew that loot could be exciting

but if you ever did the first raid in destiny 2

that loot room shows you that loot can be really cool

[hasty shard]

i like to play enjoyable games thanks

like ark

[meager flame]

it was like

a way better version of what toa does on osrs

[hasty shard]

did you know theyve got roulette wheels for boss drops in rs3

its so fucking toxic lol

[small anvil]

Lol gambling

[kind surge]

arch glacor be like

[hasty shard]

what is it, ag/zammy/telos

maybe some others

[kind surge]

I think it's those three only

[hasty shard]

you "can" disable it but like

lol

i mean araxxor has it for the enrage increase ig

but thats not a drop

[heavy ledge]

New bank boats that are also a gp sink? Idk might feel bad for irons

[kind surge]

oh right the random enrage wheel

why the hell did they add a wheel for that lmao

just say in chat what increment you get

[meager flame]

but yeah its like that loot room the first time and a few other places like the first time you go underground in elden ring at the siofra river and you're like

[heavy ledge]

Can’t wait till the UK gambling people discover Gachas

[meager flame]

wait this is amazing

it doesn't happen too much in most games but its always cool when it does

[sacred skiff]

Underground river was really cool in ER, plus when you continued on and the "sky" opened up down there was pretty wild

[meager flame]

yeah lol

that game hits you with that kind of feeling a few times where you think you know how big it is

but you really dont

and the game ends up being like 10x larger than you thought

[heavy ledge]

Man I gotta play ER

Had that feeling with bloodborne a couple times, it was amazing

[sacred skiff]

Bloodborne still the best from game imo

[heavy ledge]

Still pissed I didn’t get blood starved beast first try, it had a tiny sliver of hp left :/

[meager flame]

tbh i dont even think they've ever made a bad game in that style of game

[heavy ledge]

Prob coulda gotten it with the gun if I had seen hm was left before i died rip

[meager flame]

even the worst one is a good game

[sacred skiff]

First try ever? Damn. I first try him in subsequent playthroughs, but the first time I fought him I played way too scared

1 and 2 had lots of good parts, but once you've played 3 it's hard for me at least to go back to them

[heavy ledge]

Yeah, I had learned p early on not to get too greedy and it really came in clutch there

[sacred skiff]

Gotta be a little greedy though with the comeback healing

[meager flame]

a lot of people really dislike 2 but if you played it on its own without comparing it to the others

its still good

[sacred skiff]

or whatever it's called

[heavy ledge]

Oh true yeah. Haven’t played it in forever, deserves a good re-run

[meager flame]

i think it also depends on which one you really started with and got into

like part of my brain is forever going to be stuck trying to kill ornstein and smough since thats the first souls game i played from them

[acoustic robin]

the Four Kings was rough for me, the pure black background made spatial awareness kind of screwy in that fight

[meager flame]

theres just a thing that happens to everyone when you really play those games where you get somewhere and kinda just get owned repeatedly until you suddenly get good

and then kind of all of the games aren't even that difficult

[heavy ledge]

I feel like it’s been so long for me that I’d have to relearn that and all the bosses in bloodborne, which honestly sounds awesome hahaha

[sacred skiff]

Having played through the games at least 15 times combined, I'm still waiting for that to happen lmao

[acoustic robin]

And different people have problems with different things, Orphan of Kos in BB was easier for me than the stupid first Immortal Ape fight in Sekiro

[sacred skiff]

I've heard Sekiro has some nasty ones, I still need to play it

[heavy ledge]

There was definitely a point in bloodborne where the combat just “clicked” and the only thing I had to learn were the specific boss mechanics

[sacred skiff]

I also didn't think Orphan was nearly as bad as some other bosses though

Laurence is embarrassingly difficult for me lol

[meager flame]

the hardest boss i ever did was consort radahn before any of the hotfixes/nerfs at the end of the elden ring dlc

[sacred skiff]

Bruh un-nerfed Radahn was insane

[meager flame]

that thing was honestly horrible it just would not die lol and went on forever

[sacred skiff]

hitboxes were out of control

[meager flame]

i honestly think they were trying to make that fight stupid though

[heavy ledge]

Alright I was gonna go do work like 45 mins ago but y’all are too distracting lol. Gl on the grinds

[meager flame]

dude just swinging infinite combos at you and you'd have enough time to hit him like once before he did it again

[fringe rivet]

shield and spear was busted

still is

carried me through ng+7 and all of the dlc

was face tanking dlc final boss with it to

[slim quest]

no blog update yet right? or did i miss it?

[restive siren]

nope

[fringe rivet]

I hope they don't cave to hard to the non-sailing-sailors

[south void]

Imagine if they made the in game voting booth only work if you've done sailing XD

Selective voting, oof.

Personally I'm a hard no on sailing on my main, but a hard yes to sailing on all my hcim, ironman, and uim accounts.

[fringe rivet]

least bipolar osrs player

[proven notch]

We are waiting for another blog post? today?

[opal scroll]

supposedly

https://tenor.com/view/f1-red-bull-aston-martin-ferrari-oracle-red-bull-racing-gif-8136837229142838970

[plucky canyon]

Can they address the server lag? Pvm is a minefield of hoping the server doesn’t skip ticks at the wrong time. Been like this since sailing release.

[wind cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-esperando-mr-bean-waiting-gif-4513135960021631723

[slim quest]

haha you guys have it rough in NA, been more than a week now?

[ancient otter]

Riddle me this.. How am I at 94 sailing making more XP per hour at fremennik over merchants. I think the team needs some new data analyst. You would think XP should scale up with the increase of levels especially since level 92 is essentially the half way point to getting the skill to 99. Make it make sense Jagex.

[frank dagger]

ever trained mining on rune vs iron?

[placid ridge]

Salvaging is not worth doing unless you are tic manipulating rn. Just hope they make some changes soon. Also why in the world was none of these changes polled?

[proven notch]

I just want the cannon barrel this method can fuck off otherwise

[ancient otter]

1/20k drop rate not worth the time

Decreasing in price everyday

[tender peak]

hardly an upgrade over rune cannon in its current state too

[proven notch]

Did they say they are going to increase the drop rate?

I just want it for clog

[hasty shard]

salvaging is kinda always worth it considering how long the afk is

[ancient otter]

I only salvage when I’m not able to sit in my mom’s basement all day and I’m mobile you know.

[hasty shard]

park boat, go to sleep, wake up, bam like 25k xp

[ancient otter]

Other than that I prefer the trials

[ancient nebula]

gunna take a nap, nerfs better be reverted when i wake up or im gunna complain even more

[fringe rivet]

afk salvage is worth it cuz you're literally not having to do anything for an hour at time

people go chop demon tears or whatever at 5k xp because it's free

[ancient otter]

Have a terrible dream 😴

[south void]

That's me 😄

[placid ridge]

Dropping your salvage finds its better xp per hour than cleaning them, does that not seem like a problem?

[fringe rivet]

honestly, now that the dust has settled, no

we trade exp for loot

same with trawling

and sorting is only like, 2k less exp compared to dropping

it just "feels" bad to not sort when you have a salvage station on board is all

[plain crag]

If they could make active spots 4/6 that would be clutch tho

[hidden valve]

its a massive problem for every iron game mode

considering they are going for a 1/20k cannon they need multiple of

[placid ridge]

they nerfed salvaging xp rates by 60%. Im glad your ok with getting shafted by the game, but most people are not. I would like to actually make progress when im afk rather than fishing salmon and trout xp rates at 90+

[ancient otter]

This is the biggest problem

[fringe rivet]

you'd be there if it gave you 5k exp an hour when afk

and each skill has different xp rates, it's hard to compare them meaningfully

[thorny dragon]

dang they are actually waiting until 4:59 to post the update lmao

will NOT be good news

[hidden valve]

they posted at 8pm or something yesterday uk time

[spring trout]

They say it will be before 5pm?

[plain crag]

Push the post then head to the pub and grab a pint while this blows over

[south void]

If the argument wasn't about xp rate, and it was about the method still being fully afkable (in the sense of afk being click and walk away fro 20-30 minutes) I'd still do it

Xp rate means literally nothing as long as I can click and walk away from it to me personally

[fringe rivet]

I say make it so we get full sorting xp if we sort on land

that way it's less afk if you want the loot and xp

[obsidian venture]

Regardless of xp it’s 30 min afk

So you can still do whatever you were doing

[plain crag]

I think that’s how it was originally balanced. Someone posted that the salvaging tables on boat were added last minute

[obsidian venture]

Watch a show, smell some grass, sing in the shower

[thorny dragon]

they should just nerf every other skill 40% and people will still be like 'yeah it's fine u can still do what u did before?'

[obsidian venture]

Well you can it’s just slower

[main kestrel]

seems unfitting for the 3 min afk half of the salvaging to give more xph than the 30 sec afk half

[fringe rivet]

If Jagex tells people that then I think it will go over, moderately well

[south void]

What level sailing, what location of salvaging, what type of account, what type of boat, how many hooks, what are you considering 30 minutes of afk? Is this only at the top at lvl 87 sailing?

[obsidian venture]

Whenever you have access to two crewmates

[fringe rivet]

third, salvaging is a third of the skill

they literally want Port Tasks to be the main, "bread and butter" of sailing

[main kestrel]

i mean within salvaging

[fringe rivet]

O okay

[south void]

You are failing to consider the entire "salvaging methods" from lvl 15-99 when you say "it's still 30 minutes of afk" because for a fact it is not that until you reach a certain level of boat upgrades and sailing level.

[obsidian venture]

That’s a pointless statement to make

[umbral wind]

if they wanted this they should've tried a heck of a lot harder to make them even remotely interesting lmao

[fringe rivet]

It is interesting, but.... the rewards suck

[obsidian venture]

Because you aren’t salvaging really till 42 (when salvage station is unlocked)

[fringe rivet]

I think everyone can agree port tasks needs more rewards

[obsidian venture]

Yes

[fringe rivet]

even if they're purely cosmetic

something

[hard axle]

im still surprised demon tears were allowed to remain when duke mining was shot down

Right now, it's still a solid 40k/hr afk for 25 minutes until cargo hold is full

[tender peak]

honestly swapping the gold coins for something like the mahogany home crates would be nice