game-update

[chilly herald]

Salty boys in here, too much sea water

[silk mortar]

0 exp incoming

[timber drift]

i think sea water would do them good actually going outside for once

[gritty sage]

yeah tbh rather it not work at all outside of trials and have them redistribute that xp into all the other methods to compensate. I hate the compulsory clicking of it regardless of how much xp it gives

[ionic grotto]

Wouldn’t be a bad idea if the extractor wasn’t so abusable

[graceful agate]

Oh I'll 100% acknowledge I was being a bit hyperbolic, but if you consistently get to the extractor 10-30 seconds later you're losing over 10k xp/hour. 'Go click the xp button sixty times every hour' wasn't fun gameplay

[timber drift]

true gagek should nuke crystal extractor and add all off the xp to salvaging its only fair

[silk mortar]

Now we talking!

[bold portal]

You’re in here bitching about people bitching. Shut the fuck up lol

[hard nebula]

The need to address the added salvaging spots increasing downtime as well

at least make 4/6 active

[ionic grotto]

My proposal was this:

-50% nerf to the extractor (we more or less got this)
-10% buff to all other main training methods (this equates to a 10-20k xp/hr increase, making up the difference from the extractor)

[timber drift]

just having a giggle

[brittle ore]

If I bitch about you bitching about them bitching, do I get the hiscore?

[bold portal]

Yes.

[graceful agate]

I mean, if it followed the same reward/effort paradigm as trimming sails, it would be fine imo, the problem is that it doesn't, it's utterly predictable, consistent no matter what you're doing, and gave far too much xp

[timber drift]

'employed' 'people' when jagex nerfs their 'favorite' 'method'

https://tenor.com/view/brother-bilo-bosnov-bilo-gif-1211620899581390267

[graceful agate]

I wouldn't shed a single tear if extractor was removed entirely, but I don't think that's the 'right' answer

[umbral wind]

tbh since people can just world hop anyway idk why they even need to ever go inactive

It's not like fishing where when a spot disappears you can just click literally once at the new spot.

feels 100x worse world hopping at random intervals than extractor ever did in terms of gameplay

And I don't think it'll be possible for them to make it worthwhile for players to actually move between spots unless they were literally just in a straight line with no obstacles

[timber drift]

extractor should just charge while moving actually makes sense and buffs the right methods

make it have 3 stages or something too

[brittle ore]

Ooh, extractor could be interesting if it supercharged the xp you get from trimming sails instead, as that system is already in the game and extractor will become less popular the less crazy the xp from it is

[austere mulch]

Extractor only charges while moving, doesn’t impact port tasks or trials at all.

Actually redistribute the remaining xp into sorting and/or allow you to spam click sort to do it faster

Ezpz

[ionic grotto]

Feel like they could rework it into a form of passive xp that is based on whatever you’re doing so idk maybe every time you gain 5k Sailing xp the extractor gives you an xp drop? Without interacting with it (besides activating it initially).

[austere mulch]

Not rocket science

Also fix the 4/6 problem

[steel dune]

Still, the UNANOUNCED removal of under-boat safespotting was the biggest nerf of the week

[muted knoll]

ngl theres more pressing issues at hand rn

[queen wagon]

Why do you keep making changes. Just put it back. Everyone was having fun with the new skill.

[timber drift]

nah salvaging should stay nerfed its still good

[muted knoll]

like fixing bloat floor

[timber drift]

i still am

[austere mulch]

Verz floor too

[graceful agate]

Tbh, there's so many ways it could be a cool, balanced, and fun facility... pretty much anything other than how it operates currently.

[ionic grotto]

This ultimately is an amazing case of “if it’s not broke don’t fix it”.

[timber drift]

but jagex said literally salvaging was too good

[ember grove]

to be fair, sailing combat is in such a dire state I feel like anyone participating in it has already signed up for misery

[long blade]

What’s bloat

[graceful agate]

I think it was more a case of 'taking a hammer to a screwdriver problem', but XD

[timber drift]

it would help if not everything was clumped in fucking multi and aggressive

[sleek imp]

So they nerfed the primary way people fight monsters at sea for uniques that are already high in demand and rare to begin with, with no alternative other than take damage and heal? Is safe spotting on land getting patched soon too?

[ionic grotto]

With how good vampyre krakens are I think they can deal

[ember grove]

as I said

signed up for misery, lmao

[austere mulch]

Sailing combat should’ve been 90% of the focus for this update

Rest was so straightforward to address

[steel dune]

Nerfed XP?
Maybe.

Nerfed loot to disincentivise interacting with the game?
absolutely not!!!

[sleek imp]

I just want my bottle, this sucks

[ember grove]

(it's awful and they need to figure SOMETHING out because it's like, the main thing it feels like the skill can build on)

[timber drift]

ye they are addressing that

[round lintel]

I mean it was nerfing extractor was the move, buffing cargo and bounties. I dont know why they did anything else

[ionic grotto]

^

[sleek imp]

Combat is needed to hell after already being useless

[timber drift]

because everyone would still salvage for 100k+

[hazy linden]

dropping the ball with that update gagex, just look at your voting system on your updates. and revert this dogshit

[sleek imp]

Nerfed

[timber drift]

because its broken

not that hard to understand

[graceful agate]

I think salvage needed a slight tone down, but not the pounding it received

[round lintel]

Only if you tick manp it was never 100k+

[timber drift]

it def was lol

[brittle ore]

Fully afk salvaging was definitely too much xp for the effort

[austere mulch]

It’s time to bring back shamanism and ancient prayers

[sleek imp]

I can’t even salvage for more than 1 and a half mins right now because the spot changes so often and never comes back, pointless

[ionic grotto]

Ruinous Powers passed a poll btw

[steel dune]

so they removed the player implementer workaround to make it worse!!!

[hazy linden]

it was 57k xp an hour afk i did over 4m xp with it, know what your talking about , makes you sound less like a lib

[ionic grotto]

No reason we shouldn’t have gotten them

[ember grove]

welcome to jagex game studios

[timber drift]

fully afk was turbo broken, regular salvage where u man the hook yourself now is still pretty good for the effort

[sleek imp]

Oh yeah I can keep my crew on their station during a world hop, so they can achieve barely anything

During that little time

[austere mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/gotcha-bitch-gotchabitch-gif-22679594

[austere mulch]

The reason

[narrow folio]

How much is salavaging yourself top end right now?

[hazy linden]

for a dogshit skill with no actual game usefull ness, amazing bro

[hazy linden]

31k at 95

[hasty shard]

im getting 30k/h afk at mercenaries

[timber drift]

dang thats really bad

[hazy linden]

shit update shit nerf , gagex do better

[hasty shard]

considering that is like over an hour of afk

one could say holy moly

[austere mulch]

They’re going to try to do better tomorrow

[graceful agate]

ngl, salvaging was literally healthy. I'd clean salvage, go for a run around the nearest nine blocks, come back, repeat, was a fantastic loop. 10/10 'playing the game' 🤣

[narrow folio]

31k? Huh?

[ionic grotto]

30k is diabolical lol they really said “here’s purist 07 RC rates unless you wanna do lavas (barracuda trials)”.

[hazy linden]

for a useless non helping skill in the main game... this is a glorified mini game

[kindred jay]

Can't say for everything. But even doing it myself and dropping all salvage to maintain salvaging myself is 5k less xp per hour at pirate than it was completely afk last night, they didnt nerf, they obliterated

[austere mulch]

Maybe someone should bring back the ftp RC joke

[timber drift]

you can do port tasks for little effort for over 100k easily

[austere mulch]

Where max ftp RC xp/hr is around 44k

[hasty shard]

hey now it gives you good rune rock spots!!

😭

[narrow folio]

Id rather get 99 rc again than do another port task

[timber drift]

thats fine

[ionic grotto]

Easy

[timber drift]

do that then

[sleek imp]

Fletching can be achieved in one day. They might outta nerf fletching too.

[fossil mural]

Port tasks would be a lot more compelling if they rewarded something other than coin.

[graceful agate]

tbh, I think one of the things that sailing got right is that it has content for pretty much every play style

[brittle ore]

I genuinely hope port tasks pick up a bit, I really did enjoy them

[forest bluff]

If they wanted lower afk time they couldve simply reduced storage size.

[timber drift]

i can agree with that

[round lintel]

Low effort, paying attention, playing one client, salvaging until my cargo was full, not using double spots but using a world for myself and moving the ship, hitting extractor on point (before nerf), having 2 crewmates salvaging while I was cleaning I was getting on the high end 95-97k xp an hr at merchants post 91

[muted knoll]

maybe if you left your basement every once in a while you’d know man

[graceful agate]

unironically highest pet rate by a considerable margin

[fossil mural]

For example a Sailing Box that grants random chunks of Cannonballs, Planks, Bars, Nails, etc.

[timber drift]

bloat is when you look in the mirror

[hazy linden]

lets make a dragon cannon 1/18k for salvaging, then use 3 years of dev to wonder why everyones salvaging, we should nerf it. dumb ass company

[fossil mural]

The number of people in this game that explicitly hunt pets I think is an extremely small fraction.

[austere mulch]

Don’t tell Jagex that fletching is actually 12m xp/hr (if you max actions per tick) and not just a fantasy xp/hr

[alpine gorge]

1/20k

[brittle ore]

I feel like staying in your basement more would lead to more bloat knowledge, rather than the opposite

[graceful agate]

oh for sure, just saying, it is something

[timber drift]

so why wasnt everyone killing sharks or vamp krakens

[wispy bough]

I think pet meta will be spaming lunar rel and etc tasks just going between those islands

[muted knoll]

you’ve clearly never seen his basement

[sleek imp]

Add bottled storm to port tasks. Problem solved with the garbage combat update

[round lintel]

Cuz it sucks killing them, lots of supplies lost. Anyways

[uneven plover]

Did anyone else lose saved exp from Chartin Charles with today's update?

[ionic grotto]

Same with Con and Prayer. I just did a 9 hour Con sesh the other day on my alt for 99. 820k xp/hr. Feel like that’s too busted to exist. They should nerf Con to 100k xp/hr max since I already got my 99 out of the way, that means the rest of the playerbase should suffer for not abusing early enough.

[fossil mural]

Sure it’s something but as the one thing that was designed to be the primary gameplay loop for the skill, to have it only reward coins and mid experience feels off. Just having some sailing reward crates would be a nice alternative to the miniscule coins

[graceful agate]

I think we need more data on how pet chance scales with task level/length to know what's going to be best, but teleport/recall routes are probably going to be the best ones unless it's literally spamming the shortest high level routes

[hazy linden]

cause the only use for that was to upgrade a shit to go do level 72 content. amazing skill 3 years of dev work to figure that one out . lets cap max xp at level 72 and make everything past that , dogshit xp per hour... great thinking

[wispy bough]

they just said it scales off task lvl and not distance

so anything on those islands should be good

[ionic grotto]

Btw this was only possible thanks to afk salvaging. Actually gave me time to allot to my alt for once lol

[timber drift]

but i thought it was coz the item

[hazy linden]

so ur telling me port tasks are 100k an hour now?

[timber drift]

ur so bald

[wispy bough]

they were before too

[hazy linden]

which give nothing beneficial to the skill or boat, but salvaging bad cause 1/18k + items are needed for irons so nerf that

good thinking

[timber drift]

ports are like 150k if oyu do them well

[muted knoll]

W update make salvaging top out at 20k an hour and we are golden

[worldly spoke]

what a shit update

used to get 100k/hr salvaging at merchant shipwrecks now its 67k/hr

[timber drift]

granted no one here has marlin time so i think doing stuff well is out of the question

[round lintel]

Mains kill them cuz they can to "Profit/Make money" Irons kill them cuz they have to if wanna upgrade ship but tbh is the most awful thing to go for

[muted knoll]

i have a really high iq haha

<@&385422009930219520> please help he is being mean

[kindred jay]

Just because nobody wants to procreate with you doesn't mean take it out on everyone else

[brittle ore]

Haven't they said that the late game content isn't there yet? Afaik the current skill is basically just the skilling element of the early and midgame, unless I'm totally misremembering

[hasty shard]

i have completely average iq so i can fight for both sides

pinnacle of mediocrity

[cloud walrus]

So is the blog just gonna ignore that adding the extra spawns and limiting it to 3 active at a time makes salvaging also not afk? you're constantly hopping

[graceful agate]

Oh I see that, yeah okay, that or priff-tyras runs, those can be insanely quick if you get a multi-route since you can charter back and forth

[muted knoll]

i just want to celebrate this great update and u guys are just being mean

[worldly spoke]

soyboi

[hazy linden]

ah so anything that doesnt align with your views , you cry for help... very lib of you

[ionic grotto]

Cry is free

[wispy bough]

like rel to etc takes what 1min?

[muted knoll]

so now im a liberal

[wispy bough]

30 sec maybe

[muted knoll]

really man

[meager flame]

i dont think they're going to ignore that

[hazy linden]

keep crying its free

[meager flame]

they were just telling you to expect more tomorrow and that they're not disappearing for a week

[ionic grotto]

What a snowflake lib smh

[proven notch]

Did jagex give us a response? Sorting/salvaging is the issue.

[muted knoll]

lol you guys would be real happy if joe was still president. you’d have a 400k an hour skill.

[wispy bough]

yes they said they going to look at sorting xp

[meager flame]

the part that im confused about honestly reading what they said then did then said

[ionic grotto]

This should’ve never even been changed

[meager flame]

why didnt they nerf crew salvage exp drops

[ionic grotto]

By far the most braindead change of the update

[graceful agate]

probably no better than two tasks per run though, priff-tyras you can get 3, sometimes 4 going, and I think the transit time is like 45s not including dock time

[meager flame]

instead of cleaning salvage

[hazy linden]

they also said they were going to distribute xp from crystal extractor to other things, then nerfed everything to the ground. W mods

[meager flame]

it seems really obvious lol

[ionic grotto]

Too intelligent of a change, you’re fired, we only hire bad game designers

[wispy bough]

well you can do rel to etc and etc >rel > etc at the same time

[proven notch]

Why not make it more profitable? Might make salvaging more worth doing

[wispy bough]

good play the game if you want xp

go do port tasks

[oblique mesa]

we both know that people would be complaining regardless

[graceful agate]

I think the answer here is 'they're both good' XD

[meager flame]

yeah i think some would complain either way but just as like

idk imagine we're trying to make the best game we can and we have to nerf based on what they've said

it just seems like that has to be the change they would make

[ionic grotto]

I like to headcanon that Jagex makes applicants take an IQ test and turns down anyone who scores higher than an 85. Mod Ash and a few other OGs are the exception as they joined before this anti-IQ test was put in place.

[proven notch]

If salvaging gave more resources wouldn't it fix it somewhat?

[thorn holly]

Sailing isn't in a good state if people only want to "notplay" for 30 minutes at a time.

[ionic grotto]

If they gave xp lamps maybe lol

[timber drift]

you can all stop talking till you post

[brittle ore]

I've seen a lot of different and sometimes contradictory suggestions for what people would have done today instead, and while I'm sure there are less controversial paths they could have chosen, any excuse would have been made to fight back against an xp nerfs even if it's sensible

[graceful agate]

unfortunately salvaging was slated from the start as 'an xp method' not 'a gp method' - ...then they put the d cannon in it though, so fk knows x)

[wispy bough]

nerf crew buff cleaning

[meager flame]

like they could just flip it the other way around add the crew salvage exp to the cleaning and now full afk is still nerfed

[ionic grotto]

Very few if any people disagreed with the fact that the extractor needed an adjustment

[meager flame]

you still actually do use your salvage station

[hazy linden]

sailing was a meme that 1.3% of people wanted more into the game and it won, this skills a joke and only being grinded to 99 by those who want max capes back, everyone else is enjoying it like sea of theieves

[ionic grotto]

But we were told the xp would be redistributed elsewhere

[meager flame]

and actively playing by salvaging yourself rewards decent exp

[ionic grotto]

And we were for the most part lied to

[graceful agate]

there were relatively few, but they were very loud XD

[meager flame]

it seems like they basically just shot the wrong guy

[worldly spoke]

decent exp??? u on crack?

[timber drift]

70k not decent?

[brittle ore]

We have been in different bubbles the last couple of days then lmao

[worldly spoke]

was getting 100k before, now its just under 60k

[meager flame]

im talking about if they reverted the salvage station nerf and instead nerfed crewmate salvage exp drops

[timber drift]

i didnt ask that

is that not decent?

for afk

[graceful agate]

To be fair, they said they'd have more freedom to balance other activities appropriately now, not that they'd be doing it immediately - I think there's just a disconnect where people expected it to happen today

[meager flame]

so that people fully afk were still nerfed but people trying to play the game were getting rates similar to what they had before

which i think was more than fine

[proven notch]

No doubt, incentivizing players might fix salvaging. Either xp or gp tbh

[meager flame]

its really just the 30 minute afk that shouldn't have been as good as it was

[thorn holly]

60kxp/hr is totally fair for an afk method.

[ionic grotto]

Then just change that and nothing else and go from there, incrementally

They threw like a dozen changes at us at once

And half of them are ass

[worldly spoke]

no its not

[small oyster]

my main issue was how much sorting was nerfed especially at the highend

[hazy linden]

all*

[meager flame]

ya sorting was not the correct target for the nerf

[round lintel]

I started doing gwenith glide, blew 70M to upgrade rosewood haul and mast

[ionic grotto]

Ez

[dire mango]

kill the extractor xp all together and go from there. It's good enough with just the speed boost for trials and port tasks.

[round lintel]

after 1.5 hrs and taking a break

cuz shit is boring

[meager flame]

i did fall asleep doing the trial almost a few times

[graceful agate]

honestly at this point I think extractor just needs to be functionally reworked

[meager flame]

only so many ways you can go in circles before its kinda cooked

[graceful agate]

unfortunately that's not a 'quick fix' answer

[carmine kettle]

Can we talk about how extremely rare the Salvors Paint is from Mercenary Shipwrecks?! Why is it 1/24k?????

[timber drift]

its a rare cosmetic

[ionic grotto]

Cuz Jagex wants cloggers to suffer

[meager flame]

same reason they cursed us with 2 1 in 20k cannons

[timber drift]

doesnt impact anything

[dire mango]

its a cosmetic isn't it? rarity of cosmetics is not an issue

[ionic grotto]

This one is actually just dumb since it’s a legit upgrade

[meager flame]

whoever did this needs to sort out their self hatred and leave us out of the line of fire lmao

[brittle ore]

I've seen so many people in this channel complaining that if they were going to make changes it should have been done earlier, abuse early abuse often, etc etc. When they try and move incrementally people moan. When they try and do a few things at once people moan. It's lose/lose, best they can do is move at the speed they think will actually get them the info they need most efficiently

[meager flame]

only halfway kidding too its honestly pretty gross to do that kind of skilling but instead of exp

you're just sitting there for an rng drop

[carmine kettle]

Everything should be reasonably obtainable. 1/24k is ridiculous and bad design.

[ionic grotto]

1/5k can’t be that bad of an ask right?

[hazy linden]

uhm how about we not fuck what made this game , let the people vote. rather then pushing dumb updates that piss 90% of people off

[ionic grotto]

Especially if sorting is shit xp now lol

[narrow folio]

Dont send the nerfs before you have the buffs in place. Thats the issue.

[oblique mesa]

Saw someone saying that getting soup at gwennith glide will take you to 200m on rate

[worldly spoke]

jagex loves when people develop unhealthy behaviours and hit 99 within a few days. thats why they nerfed the exp too..keep them playing so they become even more unhealthy

[graceful agate]

they did, we voted in sailing, get over it

[timber drift]

honestly they gave a response like 8 hours later at 9pm thats pretty good for a large company especially considering the amount of screeching the chimps did, if it were me i wouldn't owe you shit

[graceful agate]

it's here now, focus on fixing it rather than bitching about it existing

[hazy linden]

yep then 90% voted down on todays update, get over it

[meager flame]

did you know that if you were to go salvage for 200m

[umbral wind]

cannons are a cosmetic as well since noone wants to do sailing combat, especially not with dragon cballs

[meager flame]

you could actually have enough nails for a sloop :)

[ionic grotto]

LMAOOO

[meager flame]

its a bit funny

[oblique mesa]

would you get enough dragon cannons for your 5 ships

[proven notch]

My suggestion is that one can give money the other xp sorting can be deciding factor.

[ionic grotto]

I feel attacked, as someone who has built 3 dragon cannons and hasn’t even fired them yet 😆

[proven notch]

Not sure if this is a good suggestion

[meager flame]

oh yeah easily probably unless you're me

[silent orchid]

On the other side, the 30 min afk while clicking crystal extractor was an incredibly obvious gameplay loop that should have been tested and approved before being released.

Nerfing it is absolutely better for the long term state of the skill and the game, but the fact it was missed(?) in QA is wild tbh

[meager flame]

then you'd be 15m exp into sailing with 0 cannons

and a whole lot of afk time

[round lintel]

I said it yesterday around this time, they were too quiet about the changes and here we are, not proposed and just sent it, now everyone is unhappy, I didnt want to do barracudas to 99 but I also didnt want to spend 500 hours on the skill neither

[narrow folio]

Like I don't have a problem with extractor nerfs but only if xp was compensated, which it clearly wasnt

[thorn holly]

Always so spineless and cave to these whiny babies. It's a wonder that Duke mining even got removed.

[narrow folio]

If its not going to be compensated then dont touch it imo

[timber drift]

where my free xp

gagek

[ionic grotto]

What a tone deaf response ngl

[weak lichen]

What we agreed: nerf crystal extractor not fun, no added gameplay
What we got: nerf crystal extractor, PLUS 30-60% exp fluctuation without being polled and is against the osrs charter

[timber drift]

true i hate gameplay

[opal scroll]

Its also not 30 mins afk if you are clicking once every 60 seconds. its 60 seconds afk.

[timber drift]

i jut wan free xp

[brittle ore]

Tweaks to numbers should not be voted on imo. I've seen the types of xp suggestions the player base makes during leagues time. Most players think a 1/100 drop rate means you get it by the 100th kill 50% of the time. We cannot be trusted with calculating balanced xp rates.

[oblique mesa]

me too i want to be done with this skill so i can go back to ge standing

[obsidian venture]

Shoutout to trials getting buffed tho 😭 will see you lads there

[hidden sparrow]

I think a huge issue for this skill is that its not particularly fun to train due to the more "fun" things giving relatively poor xp. Early sailing levels need more xp and the charting should probably scale with level or have better awards, For example: Who here like place the duck and following it around for 2 minutes for a whopping 125 xp?

[meager flame]

i mean this was my feedback for a long time in a way

[ionic grotto]

Go do like 4 other charts in the same area then meet back up with the duck lol

[timber drift]

who here likes playing the game at all

im guessing no one

[ionic grotto]

If you’re unironically following the duck you’re doing it wrong lol

[thorn holly]

A lot of players haven't realised that they hate playing this game and would be better off just photoshopping their skills tab one level a day instead of playing.

[meager flame]

i think its disappointing that a lot of the actual unique sailing gameplay is the stuff that you either cant repeat or isn't worth doing

[hidden sparrow]

i do other stuff in the area

[meager flame]

but the big things we actually do to level are just water agility and water wc

[frail bough]

Good ol water and click the game!

[timber drift]

photoshop? that requires effort and learning and for those reasons im out

[ionic grotto]

It’s almost like, and hear me out… this could’ve just been a map expansion and not a skill

All the drama surrounding Sailing right now only exists because it’s a skill

[meager flame]

i mean some of it kind of does exist though like

[hidden sparrow]

yeah i actually enjoy the charting and stuff but it feels more like a gimmick unfortunately. I hate the dang ducks lol

[main kestrel]

did this initially and 2/3 times the duck spawned back on my ship so i just stayed with it the other times 😭

[meager flame]

port tasks should be a lot more important than they are

[silent orchid]

fair, the rest of the point stands regardless, just, 30 minutes extremely low effort

[frail bough]

Any tree mining enjoyers?

[gritty frigate]

We pay we afk!

[oblique mesa]

Yup for something they considered the bread and butter of the skill it feels like you are trolling yourself if you did them over salvage

[torpid delta]

how i mine 4 fish

[meager flame]

i also dont really see why they couldn't have done like a hunter rumors version of charting now that we see how many people kind of like it

[hidden sparrow]

Turkey One deserves a million upvotes because the doordash sim is'nt worth doing at all right now

[frail bough]

Just gotta click

[glass fog]

the biggest problem is they are trying to make sailing this huge expansion on the game when they should have made it as pointless as any other skill. you grind it out to unlock content locked behind a lvl. they are trying to tie sailing to every aspect of the game when no other skill fits the same aspect.

[graceful agate]

tbh Sailing was stretching the limits between ambitious and overambitious - I think it'll be good eventually, and in the meantime, shrug, do whatever the flavour of the week good things are while they balance shit - they're not going to get it right first try

[hidden sparrow]

Somebody make this man a jmod

[timber drift]

quick tip for the people who think sailing is ruined

[thorn holly]

Yeah, seriously people are only salvaging not acknowledging that might be a bad sign.

[meager flame]

but idk i just think about those things because they're unique to the skill so its weird that they aren't featured more heavily

and instead it kinda leans in on things we already do a lot with other skills

[obsidian venture]

I’m not really upset that it’s a skill. It got a lot of positive feedback till this update. This can always change for the better and it’s going to be in the game regardless if you cry or not. Best thing to do is to be constructive

[dire mango]

This does nothing for AnyOnE, as methods that require you to inter*ct with the actual game are methods for the 0000.00000000001% sweatlords.

[hidden sparrow]

i'd do the trials if they were more xp per hour frfr

[proven notch]

I'm not going to lie guys the first two weeks of the skill is the best time I had playing osrs. I made 800m and got 93 sailing.

[hidden sparrow]

but atm its really not that much and i'd rather afk and watch a movie

[glass fog]

people dont want to train sailing. they want to afk it like any other skill to knock out the 99 or use it a money making method.

[ionic grotto]

Aside from jank boat movement and weird graphical/performance issues I had zero problems with anything else about Sailing’s actual design philosophy until today. Feels like they kinda killed the skill.

[obsidian venture]

Tbf most of the players play like they don’t have hands or eyes so I kinda feel bad for them. I do appreciate a nice afk but putting in effort for xp is also fine

[main kestrel]

im treating it the same way i treated fishing :)

[timber drift]

look at this UNEMPLOYED SWEAT everyone laugh

[ionic grotto]

Oh and they still haven’t fixed the issue where your feet clip under almost any surface you stand on

[meager flame]

i kinda also think they had a crazy reaction to the afk rates with sailing low key

[brittle ore]

Damn am I the only one who likes the duck? Following them is a cute little moment

[meager flame]

like we all talk about how its high but straight up i kind of did afk mining just like this with bone shards

i chopped redwoods

[proven notch]

I mostly did afk until 87

[frail bough]

How dare you have fun

[proven notch]

[meager flame]

sure i clicked a couple more times per hour but like

60k fully afk isn't really insane

[thorn holly]

The skill two weeks in had devolved into basically a logout timer, it was on life support.

[main kestrel]

I liked when it went in between two rocks i didnt fit between, i find my way around and the duck goes back between two rocks i dont fit between

[meager flame]

it would've been if it was 2015 rn

[obsidian venture]

Nah it’s been a solid two weeks till this but I’m not that upset

[meager flame]

we kind of get those numbers a decent amount lol

[glass fog]

the afk rates were fine is what the problem is. they should have left the rates alone and just changed so that you had to interact with them game every some often or your crewmates stop salvaging.

[obsidian venture]

Slower to max but we shall see what they say tmrw

[dire mango]

weird, in my first 2 weeks i have spent 300m and i'm also 93 🤔

[brittle ore]

Got juked

[main kestrel]

reall

[hasty shard]

1 hour afk btw

[meager flame]

we're not supposed to know how to do this though

[hasty shard]

i will make the masses know

mainly because 1 fps should be patched by now lmao

[brittle ore]

Hey it's me the masses can you let me know

[cyan anchor]

Any update on the wrong drop rates for albatross, still present at blogpost?

[brittle ore]

Oh just that, sure

[meager flame]

yeah lmao honestly it is kind of insane that its been that way for years

[proven notch]

Yeah i ain't touching that dragon stuff until it crashes more

[ionic grotto]

Guys there is a silver lining though with this update, dragon hooks will crash since salvaging is dead, buy yours once they go cheap.

[placid furnace]

Why update gwenith glide xp to account for the taken away extractor xp but not buff anything else? If I’m doing port tasks is my time not good enough to reimburse for the missing xp

[hasty shard]

set fps to 1 or 2 and your logout timer is longer

[oblique mesa]

port tasks got a buff

[hidden sparrow]

My main issues with sailing are as follows:
Xp far too slow early on,
charting tasks are very fun but not really worth the time,
Why isn't there a freakin bank the dockyard? I get its probably to avoid construction xp methods but just lower the contruction xp and add the bank to the dockyard.
Recovering boats is annoying, why does the full cargo hold empty? Just make it drop the port task cargo and move on.

Lots of things like this make it feel a bit rushed unfortuantely

[thorn holly]

They'll cave. They always cave. 100k+xp/hr for afk method, rest of the skill will be dead content (which people will complain about for years later).

[obsidian venture]

Doesn’t work like this

Anymore iirc

[hasty shard]

bane

im doing it right now 😭

[obsidian venture]

What

[ionic grotto]

I did 1-30 on all my alts, took 45 mins

[obsidian venture]

Really?

[ionic grotto]

Early Sailing isn’t a problem anymore

[meager flame]

yeah they didnt actually fix it

[glass fog]

the afk xp rates where fine. they should have just changed it so that you had to interact more often because yes the 30 mins afk was excessive. they could have just made your crew mates stop working if you hadnt clicked on the screen in last 8 mins

[meager flame]

they just let us have a 30 min timer and we all just assumed they'd fix it

[obsidian venture]

I swear they touched on it

[hasty shard]

truers are 6h logging their salvage

[meager flame]

and i guess they just never did

its kinda like the shadow cap that doesn't exist

[obsidian venture]

Yeah fair

[sacred raft]

good

[obsidian venture]

That’s kinda wild

[sacred raft]

afk salvaging should not be a thing with rates so absurd

[proven notch]

Was the 30 min afk timer a built in feature in game? Or is it runelite feature? If so aren't we the problem?

[obsidian venture]

Oh well guess it works

[hidden sparrow]

Myself and the general playerbase must be doing something wrong then, you should release a guide lol

[brittle ore]

The only thing I agree with is the bank but it is weird there's not a bank there, I definitely expected one when I first started working in there

[ionic grotto]

I really don’t wanna leak my strat cuz if I do they’ll patch it

[main kestrel]

reall like they get motivated seeing you workk or soemthing

[cyan anchor]

Any update on the wrong drop rates for albatross, still present at blogpost?

[meager flame]

both

[hasty shard]

originally runelite iirc

[meager flame]

the official client has it built in but i think runelite does it for the client everyone actually uses

[hasty shard]

wait no other way around

fck idk

[oblique mesa]

Runelite feature that they made official so the mobile poors could get their afk time

[hasty shard]

average iq moment

[graceful agate]

tbh I think they got tripped up by how much negative feedback there was to the 'only ardent and unquiet oceans southwards' initial release map - so tried to pull in a whole shit-tonne of content that was meant to come out in 2026/2027, and ended up with all of it not quite finished

[meager flame]

they both got added in after people started to widely figure out you can just cap fps to get a longer logout timer

[dire mango]

hitchhike someone elses boat and chart. Gets you to 30 in under an hour

[ionic grotto]

Actually fuck it I’ll tell you who am I kidding I already abused early. You can take an account from level 4 Sailing, put it on your main’s maxed rosewood sail boat and trim sails for 125xp drops while flying around doing charts super fast.

[meager flame]

im assuming they did the original game dev sin and linked the time tracking to frame rate assuming a certain rate

[ionic grotto]

The sail trims basically give you a level up each time until you hit like 12 or 13 lol

[glass fog]

bro they developed sailing for over a year before release .....

[proven notch]

If they removed this feature would it fix sailing + keep the nerf extractor

[meager flame]

which you're really not supposed to do on variable hardware

thats mostly a console game dev trick when you can expect consistent performance

and mostly for old consoles now too

[kind surge]

risk of rain 2 seekers of the storm moment

[graceful agate]

over two years, but the sheer scale and scope of sailing really was bordering on overambitious - again, I remain shocked that the release went as well as it did

[meager flame]

ya you can also see it getting exposed if you go patch the original dark souls and try to play at like 200 fps

[kind surge]

except that they ported console code to the pc version of the game for some dumb reason

[hidden sparrow]

I'm already level 45 now but i appreciate you sharing brother

[ionic grotto]

I feel like this surely has to be an oversight but given they didn’t fuck with it today (I checked just to make sure), maybe not?

[meager flame]

get on a ladder at your own peril if you do that in that game

bc the physics are based on frame rate

[ionic grotto]

Either way I’ve been laying low on this strat for that reason

[glass fog]

to be fair on that note i honestly feel that they have tried to make sailing far bigger than it needed to be no other skill is as indepth as sailing is currently.

[dire mango]

it's emergent gameplay imo. A small social aspect that you can use to speed up 1-30

[ionic grotto]

I agree but knowing Jagex they’ll patch it if they catch wind of it

[placid furnace]

Sure they got a buff. Then gwenith glide is getting a new buff. And salvaging getting tweaked for the better. So port tasks left high and dry. Why make the active method if it’s the worst way to train.

[brittle ore]

I did the first 30 levels pre buff and honestly didn't understand the complaining back then either. There were so many methods to do early and little things to unlock that I only went back for the tempor trials when I nearly had jubbly unlocked. I think people assumed the skill would slow down rather than pick up, even though they've always had the total time to 99 at the top half of speeds

[ionic grotto]

This is why I did it on 4 alts last night cuz I assumed it would get fixed in the update

Now I wish I spent those 3 hours afk salvaging smh

[meager flame]

i think it was mostly people not consuming all media related to sailing

like i basically had the top end exp guessed and knew it would keep ramping

because they just told us

[graceful agate]

Hence my comment - they were planning for a more limited initial release. People hated the limited playable area and pokemon-esque rock walls, they increased the playable sea area by about 6-8x in like three or four months

[meager flame]

you just had to listen to and read many different things

which you know maybe they could learn from that

[graceful agate]

which is why so much of it feels 'not quite finished yet'

[narrow folio]

Catch wind 🤣

[meager flame]

i think the amount of information and discussion leading up to sailing was insanely overwhelming

[placid furnace]

Don’t forget no life it from release to maximize benefit. Or miss out

[ionic grotto]

They can still salvage this skill I think

[oblique mesa]

dude thats everything in every live service game

[glass fog]

im catching what your saying now and thats fair they did scale sailing far beynd what it should have been

[narrow folio]

😂

[ionic grotto]

The player count will be off the charts if they do

[plain root]

Anyone else unable to heal their boats at shipwrights?

[celest solstice]

I hope it's intentional, because it's a great addition

[meager flame]

i mean its what i did for my main

i hit 99 on my iron then just let my main drive the rosewood skiff everywhere to chart to start off

[ionic grotto]

It’s wild to be piloting a rosewood/dragon boat on a fresh level 4 sailing account

The sail trims just level you up each time it’s cracked

[meager flame]

it makes a very large difference lol

[ionic grotto]

If you hit a gust of wind and get 3 trims in a row holyyy

[cunning tapir]

is there an outage right now? OSRS

[meager flame]

yeah i was leveling up by just trimming the sails at first

flying around the map

[celest solstice]

To be fair, poh makes it so people can teleport across the world and get huge prayer rates

[narrow folio]

I dont think the community is jiving with these changes, more like throwing a tempor tantrum.

[brazen tundra]

Reddit saved us guys they are listening

[ionic grotto]

You know what I think would be hilarious

If they made efficient jubbly BiS xp

Just to maximize our suffer

[narrow folio]

Buffing the range on the toads a good start

[long blade]

Stop you’re gonna hurt their feelings.

[narrow folio]

Should be smooth sailing from there

[ionic grotto]

Jagex thought you meant nerf

Gg no re

[dusky scroll]

Don’t give in Jagex keep the exp healthy

[hasty shard]

uuuugh my corals done again

[subtle merlin]

i like how rare the item drops are

[ionic grotto]

They should make the orange pillar’s click box exactly 1 pixel

[meager flame]

you mean dead again?

lmao

[subtle merlin]

would like them to be a bit more rare...

[hasty shard]

im protecting the patches

[meager flame]

i actually couldn't believe how hard it dies though fr if you dont

[hasty shard]

no composting is so funny

[dusky scroll]

99 feels like nothing in a skill you can 30min afk to 99 in 3 work weeks smh reddit gettin to them

[hasty shard]

^

over 30 minutes by the way!

just lower fps

[hazy linden]

dogshit skill*

[brittle ore]

Fun skill where I wear my little pirate outfit and sail about*

[hazy linden]

so lame

[narrow folio]

I wouldnt encourage others to use a method that isnt intended and could land a ban to bypass the afk timer btw

[frail bough]

Not. Allowed. To. Have. Fun.

[dusky scroll]

Not for those of us who have to play in mobile at work lol

If it’s not 5 work weeks I don’t want it!

[ionic grotto]

Wait guys I just thought of the solution

Treasure hunter so we can just buy keys for our Sailing xp!!!!!

[sacred skiff]

How tf are people talking about 140 to even 180k/h doing port tasks

With horizon and admittedly only camphor hull

[hasty shard]

i wouldnt be surprised if android or something has a per app frame limiter

that might work

[sacred skiff]

I'm like at 110 sweating my ass off

[dusky scroll]

With ABA and teleporting?

[sacred skiff]

yeah

[dusky scroll]

Prob over exaggerating or taking small sample size

[sacred skiff]

Well maybe? Starting at lunar, picking up everything to Lunar, teleporting down to aldarin/deepfin, and picking up stuff on the way

that's ABA right?

[dusky scroll]

If you pick up a task from say lunar to aldarin, tele to aldarin and take to
Lunar that’s ABA

[sacred skiff]

OK yeah

[sacred raft]

shut up

[ionic grotto]

Bro is arguing with a discord bot, diabolical times we live in

[brittle ore]

I think the sweaty aba is ~180k last I heard, so 140k seems like a reasonable person figure

[sacred skiff]

I haven't even breached 120k

[sacred raft]

meanwhile im sat here working watching idiots speak in osrs discord

[dusky scroll]

Port tasks are too much brain power for me

[sacred raft]

paid to shit talk

[dusky scroll]

I just 1.5t salvage when I wanna get weird

[ionic grotto]

Imagine working, what a loser smh

[sacred raft]

but you have to be a neet to get 99!!

[sacred skiff]

if I could get 140 that'd be fine relative to trials, cuz at least the pet rate isn't cheeks

[ionic grotto]

Don’t you know OSRS is a 100 hour a week job?

[sacred raft]

didnt even spend 40 hours at trials

weak

im going to nuke myself

[brittle ore]

I don't think any of the changes today would have nerfed aba rates, but who knows

[sacred raft]

we MUST afk this game and get GOOD rates

🤝

[brittle ore]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Guide:Sailing_Training:_Courier_Tasks_200k/hr%2B
@sacred skiff I assume you're using this route?

[subtle merlin]

aww, no update on sailing combat.

[feral wedge]

this update was so bad it pushed me back to WoW lmao

[worn hawk]

Is it just me or they fked up the lost supplies hitbox primarily the north one on the gwenith course?

[wicked venture]

wtf happened to the gwenith glide course crates, holy moly

[ionic grotto]

It’s that bad ay?

[worn hawk]

I've ran this course 100+ and never missed this crate but now I've missed it 5x in a row

[wicked venture]

it's awful

[worn hawk]

there's a bunch of crates too that they screwed up on but its manageable

[wicked venture]

yeah i just did a couple runs and noticed the atrocities they've left us again

[worn hawk]

the one pictured isnt, at least not without repathing because you can't get it on the same path anymore

[wicked venture]

you're talking the one behind the black portal, yeah i cant zig to get it. I have to full turn into that bitch

the last patch on crates were fine, now it's worse than release day

[worn hawk]

Yea I am missing a bunch of crates I never used to miss before

I am not sure why they said they were almost certain its improved, how????

[icy relic]

takes a tick longer to enter portals too

[worn hawk]

It seems like all they did was revert it to day one hitboxes

[icy relic]

it's just worse in every way

[worn hawk]

We're not the only ones right? Are they aware people are having issues? Like hitbox wise it seems like its a massive degradation after this update on the lost supplies

I was accounting it to lag, but I don't think its it

[hard axle]

its not lag

i used to not need to wiggle left

for #78

and now u do

[worn hawk]

The one I circled I used need to north click and then immediately click straight and get it every time

[native nest]

as someone who hit 99 in 4 days, im glad about the nerfs, hitting skill cap that fast just felt.. wrong? idk, too easy, and honestly, the fact we even have a training method where npcs train the skill for you is very surprising, im glad it got nerfed, it should be removed completely imo, just let both hooks be activated on player click

[worn hawk]

Now you have to north click wait a tick and then south click crashing into rocks, there's no way around it

Boat seems less responsive too

[hard axle]

i think dedwilson was complaining about that particular wiggle north too

[austere mulch]

Gotta go WNW for 2 tick instead of 1 now, and then correct to go around the rocks

[worn hawk]

Like I don't think its possible to get this crate anymore without changing your path maybe up to D1 circling around to get that north crate

[austere mulch]

You still get it. Kirby did this in his 4:57 post update

It’s just annoying now bc if you don’t do it right you miss the box or crash

[native nest]

"if you dont do it right then it doesnt work" thats the point?

[austere mulch]

Didn’t think I’d have to get into the specifics for you here, figured it’d be pretty obvious

The window to do it is much tighter and less forgiving now

[worn hawk]

People were doing it right, they just reduced the hitbox so now you have to change the path

Like you can't hit it on the same path anymore

[austere mulch]

Because it requires an extra tick to grab it

Which you didn’t need before

[worn hawk]

You have to circle around the rocks

Instead of wiggling north and then back

[austere mulch]

You don’t have to circle around the rocks, you go WNW 2t on exit and then WSW for 1t and then around the rocks

[frail bough]

An update updated things. You heard it here folks

[stable cedar]

I'm glad they are making us actually play more because i love the sailing gameplay it's my favourite skill

[worn hawk]

I don't think that works, there's no room and you hit the rocks

[austere mulch]

It’s unnecessarily annoying

[native nest]

the course was too easy before

[icy relic]

isn't it telling that the "optimizations" don't make impossible boxes possible to get

[austere mulch]

Kirby literally did it on stream

[tired pilot]

Still no mention of the combat changes they made this morning in the updated blogpost. Are they even aware of this???

[austere mulch]

For his 4:57

[icy relic]

or anything better/faster

[worn hawk]

Idk who that is and until I see a vid I don't believe it

[stable cedar]

hoofi did it in 4:56

[native nest]

so Tm bases his opinion on streamers lol

worse than redditors

[worn hawk]

I'm spamming after 2t and I go right into rocks

[austere mulch]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2634129143 watch his stream

You can watch the playback

[native nest]

now we're doing twitch promos

[stable cedar]

ai is too good nowadays you cant trust it

[worn hawk]

this shit is 8 hrs lmao

time stamp it

[austere mulch]

Not doing all that brotha

It ain’t that deep

[worn hawk]

then you lying

[native nest]

nah 8hrs is the time stamp

[austere mulch]

For me

[hasty shard]

golden gaytime sometimes when having a gaytime you will get a golden gaytime which is worth 10x the amount of gaytime

wrong channel

[austere mulch]

Nah you’re just doing it wrong

[hasty shard]

im owning it

[austere mulch]

Post a clip of you doing it

[worn hawk]

In an 8 hr stream of him doing course you can't find a single instance of it?

[desert wharf]

Glad you aren't affected by nerfs after nerd logging 99 - nice

[worn hawk]

YOU'RE the one saying it can be done not me lmao

what?

is this guy mentally challenged

holy

[ionic grotto]

Half of the ppl here are blatantly trolling and rage baiting so probably

[small anvil]

actually you're the one claiming its impossible

[native nest]

lmfao i only played like 13 hrs a day, the skill was just super fast, and when i didnt feel like training it myself, i could make 2 npcs do it for me 😂 just bad game design

[small anvil]

people are saying they have seen people do it

[worn hawk]

yea...

do you hear yourself?

[small anvil]

but like they dont have an obligation to you to timestamp it for you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont have a dog in this fight

[native nest]

then they'r wrong

if they cant prove themselves right

[small anvil]

ok believe what you wanna believe

[stable cedar]

vlor is right

[small anvil]

but like thats not how the burden of proof works really

[austere mulch]

Yes. Because Kirby literally did it on his 4:57 run after the update

[worn hawk]

wait wait, so one side says it cant be done, the other side says it can, so it makes sense for the side that cant do it to show proof they cant do it?

what???

[native nest]

if you make a claim the burden of proof is on you?

wtf?

[worn hawk]

ok im out

[austere mulch]

Either go through toward the end of his vod or wait for him to post the vid

[worn hawk]

bunch of brain dead ppl here

[brisk panther]

anyone else having issues with Dragon nail drop rate?

[stable cedar]

does anybody else think the footage of it was fake

[small anvil]

?? lmao

[native nest]

yeah it was like a spliced speedrun

[small anvil]

obviously the footage is fake, it doesn't work in my worldview

do you hear yourselves?

[worn hawk]

no ones saying its fake we want to see it

and get on with the run

[muted knoll]

sup guys

[stable cedar]

i think the time is unreasonable and we've seen no proof

[muted knoll]

libby is here

[muted knoll]

howl for me bro

[small anvil]

ok bro

[native nest]

no,, we're typing not talking

[reef laurel]

guyys

[worn hawk]

you cant claim oh its possible, but nah no proof, why dont YOU show you cant do it

like what???

[reef laurel]

@muted knoll haha hi

[stable cedar]

aroooo

[muted knoll]

AWOOOOO

W wolf pack

[worn hawk]

is this the hour that mental asylum ppl get on?

[muted knoll]

W jagex update

[muted knoll]

This hour too shall pass

get it cuz gandalf

xd

[native nest]

i cant prove it. but israel is involved w the sailing nerfs somehow

[ionic grotto]

Too much unemployment and bitchlessness in here ngl

[small anvil]

you really think that it's worthy calling people mentally insane for what, saying they saw someone do it but not caring enough to timestamp it for you?

[worn hawk]

how tf do you argue its possible, and yet provide no proof and then say well YOU gotta prove you cant do it, like mf we already saying we cant do it

[muted knoll]

LOL

[ionic grotto]

Ok Nick Fuentes calm down bud

[worn hawk]

No for asking for me to show evidence I cant do it

like what kind of planet are we on

[stable cedar]

you could just claim anything without proof tbf

[ionic grotto]

The worst possible timeline’s planet

[small anvil]

unless you think the other person is being a malicious actor

you really shouldnt jump to "they made it up"

in people saying they saw it in a streamed run

[native nest]

if its not made up why are you so adamant on not providing proof?

[ionic grotto]

Then just link the clip holy fuck

[wicked venture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sq1WEucQ3E

[ionic grotto]

See how simple that was

[stable cedar]

looks like an overlay to me

[small anvil]

lol

[native nest]

can we get a vid from a dude who looks normal lmfao

wtf is that

[ionic grotto]

AI generated for sure

[small anvil]

jesus

[ionic grotto]

Unemployment final boss OSRS edition

[small anvil]

people actually think this way huh

"fake fake fake!!!"

[icy relic]

he must be hitting the portals at the perfect angle

[glass basalt]

so, after all the talk about full afk salvage
I tested it for an hour
2 rune hooks, jenkins and jolly jim on them
just over 100 salvage / hour due to the lack of the spots respawning

[worn hawk]

Pathing is different

[icy relic]

I am actually spending 1 extra tick crashing into every portal

[worn hawk]

Its not the same path as before

[native nest]

okay geekaleek, lets calm down twerp

[wicked venture]

not for the one box you're talking about.

[worn hawk]

Like I said the update forced you to change path

[stable cedar]

i already beat this time my rsn is "frogsrdumb"

[frail bough]

Update required an update

[austere mulch]

Like I said lol

Actual brain rot

WNW 2t, straight, round the rocks

[worn hawk]

You never said anything besides its still possible by waiting 2t

[austere mulch]

I literally told you the exact clicks

[worn hawk]

Did you even see original picture?

[frail bough]

I have faith you can figure this out

[worn hawk]

You have to go around the rocks now instead of shimmy north and straight previously

[austere mulch]

.

[worn hawk]

Why are you arguing when I said the update made it not possible to get that box without changing path

That's what I said

[austere mulch]

“You still can get it. You just need to do this instead”

[stable cedar]

lmao

[austere mulch]

🤣

Actual brain rot lol

[meager flame]

tbh

[austere mulch]

“If you do 2ticks you’ll hit the rocks!! It’s just not possible!!!”

[meager flame]

i really dont know why they keep changing things in any manner that will make it not work at least as well as it did previously when it comes to the crates

[worn hawk]

Ok you know what you right his path is different but he gets it the same way half way in, im doing same thing though but boat just crashes

Must be lag then

[meager flame]

this probably seems like a lot of work but honestly

they could probably just do custom hitboxes

[worn hawk]

out of portal it loads right away but it seems like I am waiting 1t before I can click

[meager flame]

for any problem crates

[austere mulch]

Fwiw I think there’s zero reason they needed to change it lmao

For the 5th time

[meager flame]

its not like they have a million trials

they have 3

[worn hawk]

maybe the gpu plugin causing issues

[austere mulch]

And it does make that box in particular way more annoying to do bc you have much less leeway

[full birch]

so anyone else noticing olm like shaking super hard since todays game update?

[austere mulch]

On top of sailing itself already being resource heavy and clunky

[meager flame]

yeah i just dunno why they keep adjusting them and like shifting the meta on what you can do vs cant do compared to the last iteration

just go in there figure out the crates that aren't consistent because of boat turning confusing people

make the hitbox bigger

call it a day

[hasty shard]

ngl crates have felt fine to me after update

[austere mulch]

He must be safe spotting krakens 😭😭😭

[hasty shard]

he cant exactly move to go the bathroom

[frail bough]

Move crates? Or no cause then the path changes and is impossible to figure out?

[meager flame]

better yet if they really wanted to get crazy

[full birch]

they gave olm a parkinsons debuff or smth idk

[meager flame]

make the objects you pick up have different shapes

so people can visually see where you actually wanted them to turn to begin with

since thats what is really throwing people and has been from the start

boat true tile is weird

[austere mulch]

Gets tricky unless they also move crates in qtr tile increments like boats do

Like I think if they move that crate 1s, you won’t need to path at all to get it

[meager flame]

im sure it would cause them to work on trials for longer but like

its not like there are many of them

they didn't really have to reuse that heavily on the crate visuals

it could even be as silly as strapping more than one together

[austere mulch]

Make it so you don’t see other player’s picking up crates animation and boom. Performance increase

That should be step 1 or 2 imo

[meager flame]

i do agree that visually seeing other people doing trials is actually more of a detriment than it should be

[hasty shard]

oh yeah major nitpick with trials
are they just colour coded completely wrong why isnt it rainbow order for jubbly or gwenith

[reef laurel]

(1/2) In the event a jmod sees this, just wanted to leave my feedback on recent update;

1. The drop rates for sailing are atrocious given the state of combat. 1/1,100 drop rates for subpar upgrades that are more cosmetic or 'feel-good' than anything for monsters that take over a minute to kill and tons of repair kits/thousands of cannonballs is a bit frustrating.
2. The state of combat is mostly terrible from the lack of damage that cannons contribute towards a kill combined with the amount of health that monsters have. Monsters have wayyy too much health, and cannons do little to no damage.
   There is no reason for a kraken kill to take over a minute with 2 cannons on a rune ship and max mage, combined with a 20 second looting animation that gets reset if you don't have ample inventory space.
   It's also hard to chase a drop when you are ideally doing port tasks at the same time but need to go back to port every 5-10 kills but the drop rates are 1/1,000.

3. The fact that the dragon cannon is the only cannon to give a max hit for mithril cannonballs which are the most accessible and realistic cannonball to use is a bit nuts. Players can easily go through thousands of cannonballs an hour firing both cannons which is not realistic to upkeep for either rune or adamant or economically on a main. I'm also not sure the 'point' of dragon cannonballs as they appear to be too rare to even use
4. Favoring 2 tick salvage over afk salvage when trials require an attention spam of 1 tick is, in my opinion, the incorrect move. Players who prefer higher input xp rates in exchange for more attention span should just run trials.
5. 1/20,000 for a single dragon cannon? We have 5 boats. And one of those can have two cannons. Players are notorious for going dry, so what happens when someone goes 20m sailing xp for a singular cannon?

Simply put, monster drop rates should easily be a quarter of current values, or monsters should be 2-4 times faster to kill, with frost dragons being slightly reduced drop for dragon nails. Peronsally, I've got 1,000 kills and 31 dragon nails and 1 dragon sheet (the increased rate of sheets on task is nice btw, but not realistic to ever acquire enough sheets to build something like a dragon keel on a sloop for an iron). There's no reason to kill thousands of frost dragons when most irons are banking 99 prayer from hydra and doom.

[hasty shard]

holy wall

[austere mulch]

Make it instanced and let you race your own ghost pb like in Mario kart

[frail bough]

Better

Than pushing

[full birch]

you can hide this with entity hider and i see a difference of approx 5fps

[chrome lantern]

They actually made ship combat a lot worse today without saying anything about it, the safespots don't even work now

[frail bough]

Enter

[hasty shard]

ok good wall

[frail bough]

Alot

[hasty shard]

continue

[meager flame]

they should make it like mario kart actually

[hasty shard]

i saw someone call wind motes mushrooms and its so fitting

god im typing like a caveman today

[meager flame]

i keep thinking about those like lines of the power up boxes where you're only intended to hit one of them but they're spread out so you dont all have to take an identical path through

[austere mulch]

Up to 5 players can join a race. Only winner gets xp

[meager flame]

they should probably do that with the crates somehow

[austere mulch]

[meager flame]

also ngl

it would be fucking hilarious to have a real mario kart mode where you get power ups and can ice barrage each other's boats etc

[austere mulch]

Sailing is a minigame crowd would never let anyone hear the end of it

[hasty shard]

itd need to be on rafts

[austere mulch]

But I’d like that lmao

[hasty shard]

i think an issue with mario kart sailing is how boats render near each other

[meager flame]

i mean they're honestly super close

like your interface where you use the wind motes

[hasty shard]

itd just be pretty shit when theyre constantly turning into shadows

[meager flame]

you could use that to activate the power ups etc lol

[hasty shard]

if they can manage like, knockback on rafts or something for the zontent 😭

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-wii-drifting-pro-noob-gaming-gif-17245675

[austere mulch]

Instead of bananas, do oil sacks or something

[full birch]

collision detection is very expensive on server resources i highly doubt they would do anything like that

[meager flame]

just make that the ship pvp everyone keeps talking abou

it just drops and its mario kart

lmao

[reef laurel]

before today's update i actually thought the skill was awesome and that the only thing that needed to be fixed were drop rates and ship combat combined with slight abuse of xp for alts but now it seems to be slightly worse. never really took the time to write a wall of text for any update before, hopefully ppl feel the same way

[muted knoll]

yo sup guys im back again lol had to scrub my basement floors

[reef laurel]

bot wont even let me type awooo in all caps

fix that too please

[full birch]

nah

fix my olm jagex

he did nothing wrong

[icy imp]

yeah im not reading all that

[fallen creek]

Congrats or sorry that happened

[supple dune]

Why are most of the relevant stated drop rates completely wrong?

[subtle merlin]

lol i want my time back from getting 91 fishing for elite mory... new potion gives +6 instead of the 5 from before.... cry lol

[supple dune]

Oh man, I didn't even really think about this.

[dire sierra]

“We need sailing to be long term” so make it a mini game not a skill then. If that’s also the case, what about the other skills that are “pointless” after 99? Basically all of them apart from slayer when you think of it?

[supple dune]

Im guessing combat is classified as a minigame too by this logic

[subtle merlin]

guessing your about to or did elite mory?

[supple dune]

I was on that fishing grind for literal weeks... I gave up on it because I was so sick of it. Currently at 87. Probably gonna do shoals once my net is done.

[dire sierra]

You clearly don’t get my point. I’m not suggesting to make it a mini game. Jagex’ logic about making it long term by nerfing xp rates makes zero sense at all, they don’t want people rushing to 99 for what reason?

[supple dune]

But I'm not trying to rush my net because I figure shoal rates will get buffed

[wicked venture]

Poll it

[subtle merlin]

dont really care much for it, its click intensive

[wicked venture]

let us vote to vevert todays update

[dire sierra]

People are still going to salvage no matter what, nerfing it just pissed people off

[supple dune]

Idk man I got almost 90 sailing in like a week, making it my fourth highest skill after years and years of playing. Those rates are/were pretty dang fast.

This is me working the entire time too

[honest oak]

its the new fun thing

[feral wedge]

^^

or, it was at least

[supple dune]

It honestly needed the nerf imo, although I don't necessarily agree with where the xp was nerfed

[honest oak]

extractor the goat while it lastest you will be remembered

[feral wedge]

it did not need the nerf

not for salvaging

[dawn jackal]

it's about designing future content. With salvaging rates they way they were there wasn't really any reason to interact with the other content that exists and future content

[wicked venture]

you could play WT for a week and get 99 firemaking too. But they aren't out here nerfing that.

[supple dune]

I think grinding out 99 FM in a week would require hospitalization for me.

[feral wedge]

the crystal extractor was a bit op but jagex really put that shit into the game knowing how osrs players are, they basically asked for it

[honest oak]

yesterday i was 90k xp/hr at mercenary salvage active w/ extractor, today i can't quite maintain 60k/hr, 20k an hr was the extractor alone overall 33% nerf to merc. salvage

[reef laurel]

I don't think that rushing to 99 is the problem, really. I agree that salvaging being 140k/hr was a bit too high given the amount of effort needed but favoring 2 tick manip changes when trials have an attention span of 1 tick is grazy. Crystal extractor most likely needed a nerf also.
Combat, drop rates, longevity on an iron, and economics on a main, are the problems imo. Monsters need less health, cannons need to do more damage, port tasks need to take longer, and drop rates need to be reduced.

[wicked venture]

just give us the old crate hitbox

[supple dune]

Honestly whoever make the extractor drop 600 xp had to be smoking something

I don't get why people are all cooked up about it

Maybe they were smoking elven crystal

[meager flame]

i mean honestly i got 99 doing salvage actively not often using any tick manip and clicking extractor for most of it because i need cannon barrels

[feral wedge]

The thing is all of this passed their QA team

[meager flame]

i was getting like ~115-120k right

[feral wedge]

their QA team decided these xp rates were ok

then they do a rugpull a week later

[meager flame]

you could get a little more if you were paying perfect attention but

[supple dune]

Remember that EoC also passed QA

[meager flame]

compare that to the other skills and honestly

its not even really crazy

it was nice

[feral wedge]

not even comparable lol

[meager flame]

certainly not the slowest skill etc

but was it broken?

not really

[chrome lantern]

Why are these all different shapes

[feral wedge]

this is a skill that adds boats, not revamping the entire combat system

[supple dune]

For me personally EoC made me quit for years, and it was actually the main reason why I was so inactive post rs2 and never maxed despite super generous rates

[meager flame]

its kinda the same way i view 60k/hr full afk

[supple dune]

RS3 is basically just worse WOW

[feral wedge]

it's a worse wow

its not even in the same ballpark

[meager flame]

i didnt even do that to 99 but that doesn't really jump off the page as so insane we need to emergency hit it with almost a 50% nerf

maybe tone it down to like 45-50k or something and say you did it because you click less than you do redwoods or like bone shard mining

but honestly

[supple dune]

Man... im gonna be honest, Im not sure if requiring unobtainium(for most people) was a great idea for something that is going in the standard spellbook

[meager flame]

they're all so low effort that it doesn't really matter that much

[icy relic]

abuse early abuse often boys I did mostly glides and only like 2m xp at salvaging, not afk either

[ember token]

wow the xp changes they just hotfixed in are crazy

[chrome lantern]

I thought they were pretty fine but they completely got rid of the safespotting we were using now

Long grind but good

[supple dune]

Ehh I never even bothered, heard you need a shadow to do decent damage

Im just a pleb starting out the raid grind

[icy relic]

wish I was anywhere close to rate

[chrome lantern]

I wasn't using a shadow

But I was using a tbow

[icy relic]

800 kraken kills and I've hit the table ONCE

[feral wedge]

shadow is actually useful now lol

[chrome lantern]

I also had 200 kc on mobile

[icy relic]

just to get one plate

[feral wedge]

i was sailing around slapping mobs in max mage

it was pretty fun

screw the cannons just shadow mobs lol

[chrome lantern]

For my gear setup and especially not having a saturated heart the tbow on vampire krakens specifically was comparable dps to shadow

[supple dune]

Tbow is also unobtainium for most people, hence why I called it unobtainium for most people...

[reef laurel]

not really realistic to upkeep on something like an iron though.

[icy relic]

not like you need megas

you can just bowfa it

[feral wedge]

megas are fun though

[chrome lantern]

Bofa or even blowpipe or eye also works shrug if you're a main and can buy cannonballs above iron it's super viable too

[supple dune]

You dont need megas but without em you're basically just tickling them

[icy relic]

kills will be slow but you can do it

[feral wedge]

i'll try tbowing or zcbing some mobs next

[icy relic]

which is how the rest of the game is, no?

[chrome lantern]

Tbow sucks on everything except vampire krakens

[supple dune]

With kills that slow its mathematically better to just kill any other sailing mob, sadly

Well I guess you can do it if you're an iron

But hey the safespot is gone so now we can suffer in solidarity

[reef laurel]

I mean would you really call kills taking >1min on a non-boss to be viable or sustainable given charges and cannonballs for non-mains and looting animations not to mention can't hit extractor during kills? There's not just krakens. There's sharks, albatross, narwhals, etc. Each of those are like 20 hr grinds for a single item for a single ship when we can have 5 ships and multiple facility hotspots.

[meager flame]

i mean part of why i decided to just afk for cannon barrels atm

[reef laurel]

Like yeah it makes sense to spend 20 hrs grinding krakens for a bottled storm to save myself 1 minute going to sunbleak island

[meager flame]

im kind of trying to kill time for them to hopefully do something about combat

but its been two weekly updates where i kind of expected them to do something and they've just been like

yeah its not good but we have nothing

[reef laurel]

I mean it's as simple as nerfing monster hp pools or making cannons more effective also make it so both cannons keep firing regardless of your target.

Or keeping it the same but reducing drop rates idk. Just start small.

[icy relic]

They're going to have to go back to the drawing board regarding combat so I'm just not going to bang my head against it and do other things in the meantime

[meager flame]

i mean theres more to it

[chrome lantern]

I've seen minimum hits recommended which are also a good idea

[meager flame]

the cannon ball economy is kind of not super functional

[chrome lantern]

For higher cannons

[icy relic]

I already have my feedback ready if they ever ask for it

[meager flame]

so whatever they do has to also focus on making cannonballs go further

[reef laurel]

Yeah I mean rune should give a max hit to mithril there's no reason that dragon is the only cannon that gives a max hit.

[meager flame]

which you know more dps does mean you waste fewer

but it doesn't really do a whole lot about how its kind of really really hard to even make your own

[chrome lantern]

I would probably make a cball save and increase cannonball production and drops by like tenfold tbh

[icy relic]

My personal preference is that they introduce a ship ballista that specializes in harpooning shit and killing monsters

and cannonballs do extra damage against.. ships

[meager flame]

like you need to fire literally like

tens of thousands of cannonballs and just

god help anyone that goes and has to actually get those bars

[icy relic]

that way we can shoot javelins

[meager flame]

even that doesn't quite work its the same problem

for something thats just going to basically be a combat style forever from now on

[feral wedge]

ballistas on boats make so much more sense than cannons given osrs level tech

[meager flame]

we just cant get enough ammo

[icy relic]

If you have a specialized monster-hunting ship that can solve a lot of problems

[feral wedge]

like we never had the hand cannon in osrs, nothing gunpowder fueled

[icy relic]

You can fold in perks like ammo saving into it

[reef laurel]

Another problem is kinda the cost requirement of boats for non-mains I mean by 80 sailing assuming all upgrades you're like 30m into building a boat lol. That's 10x more expensive than doing cox for some planks for 83 construction.

[feral wedge]

should've just gone with ballistas imo

[reef laurel]

But yeah they should add an ava's device to the boats

Even if it's a new quest or minigame reward I mean how else can you sustain dragon cballs

Or rune or adamant even

You'd spend 5x longer making them than using them.

[icy relic]

funnily enough

granite cannonballs are kinda fire

burning through those cuz I have 30k of them

[oblique mesa]

Theres even a clue that asks you how many cannons are there

[feral wedge]

have you ever seen a cannonball leave those cannons?

[meager flame]

i mean honestly i think the future definitely holds a combat ship for some reason

[feral wedge]

it's a bluff

[meager flame]

one with like a mounted ballista or cannon on the front end

and stuff like that

[icy relic]

Yeah that would really stoke my enthusiasm for this stuff again

Hopefully they do it

[feral wedge]

imagine being able to harpoon ships or mobs and pull them towards you or prevent them from wandering while you shoot em

[icy relic]

In any case this chapter of my journey is over, got my 99, leaving a lot of stuff on the table but the main game has higher prio

[reef laurel]

I think that to max both skiff and sloop it should take at most 40-50 hours. That's for everything. 2 bottled storms, dragon cannons, salvage hook, etc. It's only time before crystal ships gets released anyways.

[icy relic]

need to go tob and whatnot

[feral wedge]

you could even lure them away from their hotspots

[tacit wharf]

we need whaling

[feral wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/whalers-on-the-moon-whalers-moon-moon-whalers-gif-514559744655520630

[muted knoll]

awwoooooo

[brazen tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/67-gif-8575841764206736991

[muted knoll]

W brainrot

[woeful fog]

My main issue is that I have to spend 10 minutes spamming login to get onto W486 otherwise the "AFK" method is not a 25min afk method at all and you have to move around. If you keep the current XP rates, then at least please make it so the salvaging goes down like a redwood tree and comes back up so we aren't expected to move around or get onto a specific world.

[long blade]

You should be moving your boat to trials ngl

[woeful fog]

not at work im not

[hasty shard]

now you CAN freeze things to reduce damage but eh

[icy relic]

I freeze with a dolo rotating accursed/tonalztics specs

still ass though

[long blade]

[meager flame]

i do think them removing safespots was like

a choice of all time

idk if ship combat is really in a state for them to be delivering nerfs lol

[austere mulch]

they kinda locked themselves in with dragon requiring 97 to max

pls no 120 sailing

[hoary kestrel]

also the cannons being a 1:20k drop rate is kinda ridiculous ngl

[reef laurel]

it's all of the drop rates (given the current state of things) not just the cannon

[hoary kestrel]

like maybe i see stuff being rare on launch but like ... are you going to make it viable for people to get in a reasonable amount of time later on?

[reef laurel]

looking at like 30m xp to make full dragon boats

[reef laurel]

hopefully

[dawn jackal]

I do wonder what the expected gameplay path was for the boat upgrades

[reef laurel]

i mean literally everything pre-dragon is amazing.

the endgame just feels very rough

hopefully they will make it better soon

[hoary kestrel]

rune's a bit rough for non-maxed irons but otherwise yeah

[dawn jackal]

id guess they just saw dragon boats as a flex

[reef laurel]

ye i did a lot of tob so it was around 130 raids worth of runite ore and took about an hour to turn into bars and smith everything

[austere mulch]

25k frost dragons and a whole lot of mith cannonballs apparently

[dawn jackal]

at least it should be a somewhat easy thing to get right

[icy relic]

rosewood hull is really good

even if I had the other stuff I wouldn't build it right away until there is a reason to do so

who knows if a different ship type will come out in the future better suited for combat for example

no sailing boss either

if we do get a sailing boss, which ship type is bis?

[meager flame]

yeah im sort of worried about using nails

im kinda confident they're gonna come up with a way to return some things to us

but if they dont give the nails back too it would just be crazy terrible to waste them and then regret it later

its just way too many frost dragons to let that happen

[hasty shard]

i am never dropping 100m on a rosewood sloop

i could genuinely max two skills with that gp

[tacit wharf]

buyers remorse is a real one

[hasty shard]

i probably would if you could resell ship compartments but lol nope

[round lintel]

I just drop some gp for haul and mast to do barracudas

[hasty shard]

rosewood sloop isnt even like useful outside of marlins which is the shitty 2m gp/h method

[meager flame]

i mean for me its not even about the gp if i were just playing my main i'd just buy a full max boat and not care because you kinda hit escape velocity on gp mattering

[round lintel]

but im not planning on spending any more money

[hasty shard]

oh boy grinding 50 hours of marlins just to make back my money

[meager flame]

its because on my iron those nails represent way too much time investment

[hasty shard]

wonderful balance

[meager flame]

like its just too big of a deal

[tacit wharf]

i mean its not just you, know yr an iron, but it seems to be a reaccuring theme among people

[meager flame]

yeah i can see the same thing happening to any account type depending on what it really means for them to invest whatever it is they have to to get it

iron is just the easy one where its always going to mean a certain number of hours no matter who you are

so you can immediately tell its scary

[reef laurel]

on the bright side of everything, woodcutting has at least been made better.

[icy relic]

I will probably go for a rosewood sloop eventually even if never gets changed

just having a rosewood skiff is a mega difference

these things are so good

[round lintel]

For example just to upgrade your big boat is around 300m (No cannons, hooks, teleport)

at current prices

[icy relic]

I think we will hit a point (as irons) where dragon metal sheets can all just go into nails

[tacit wharf]

tbh i dont care how much ge cost it costs to upgrade a boat

time is the factor

[meager flame]

it depends like

[round lintel]

on the iron is equal to 200 hrs that u will stop sailing

[meager flame]

part of it thats really bad right now

is that if you're already 99 slayer/max combats etc

[icy relic]

99 sailing is so fast

[round lintel]

to go kill krakens or sharks

[icy relic]

this is all post-99 considerations

[meager flame]

you wont even be sending tasks for frost dragons

because why are you even doing slayer if not for just the frost dragons

and honestly thats probably slower than just killing them natty

[oblique mesa]

god slayer is so buns, task only 😭

[meager flame]

i think a new account would have some kind of basic passive income of just getting frost dragons while they're working on other stuff

[tacit wharf]

the amount of slayer xp over 99 i have right now, and will get more of while on mky grind for other things, will indeed still increase