game-update

[sturdy wolf]

with all of the recent nerfs to sailing they should let us assing a crewmate to sort the salvage as well, if they do that then i wouldnt mind the god awful nerfs they made today tbh

[fringe rivet]

runescape is a mediaval point and click game

[cyan pewter]

making the crystal extractor useable only when the boat is in motion and buffing the xp rate for manning the salvage hook would've been a fair change, taking away the joy of salvaging and getting loot and turning salvaging into barbarian fishing is not fun

[frail bough]

thanks for pointing that out, definitely helpful for the overall discussion

[lone remnant]

alright yall ready for a hot take: they should remove voting completely and just do what they think is good for the game. 90% of players shouldnt be allowed to vote anyway

[nocturne solstice]

Also I might be insane but I found that I could kinda tick manip by timing dropping fish and clicking the fishing spot properly. Definitely felt like faster xp rates.

[fervent igloo]

the rates still need some help

[fringe rivet]

dropping fish is fine

[dire mango]

You now have Wrathmaw. GL

[fringe rivet]

that's to be expected

[ivory obsidian]

Nana, salvage is powermining iron now.
Powersalvage?

[nocturne solstice]

Counter point, prevent 90% of players from voting (I am exempted of course )

[copper adder]

anyone able to confirm they're still able to tick manipulate salvage right now or did they break it?

[drowsy meteor]

you don't only salvage 18k merch from 87 to 99

[lone remnant]

you must be maxed with a zuk helm to vote, also a 3rd age pickaxe on your collection log

[ivory obsidian]

With sorting salvage being griefing your xp rates rn

[lunar hawk]

Massive Falador riot world 488/486 over 200 people here right now voice ur concerns

[lone remnant]

no reason for that last req

[frail bough]

if you dont have 10,000+ hours you also don't count, despite any other challenges you have beat.

[thick beacon]

ud also have like no nerfs or integrity changes that pass I definitely trust jagex over commuity

[dire mango]

merchant salvaging spot world 302 over 200 people here now salvage your concerns

[umbral wind]

salvaging has always been barbarian fishing, or were you sailing back to port to sort and bank every time? You just drop 1 stop earlier now if you care about marginally more exp (how much more exp is it to actually drop instead of sort now, probably not much at all)

[torn tendon]

I hopped over to that world, it's entirely empty. You're a liar! 302 is the right world

[austere mulch]

And 4 less polls to get vls in game 🤣🤣 including targeted polls

[tiny epoch]

what

[sturdy wolf]

huh? what do you even mean by this lol? my previous point was that it would have taken you about to 99 from 87 if you ONLY did salvage to go on rate for dragon cannon. and those calculations were done when we had a rate of 1/12k for the dragon barrel.... now with the actual confirmed rates and worse exp rates from salvaging its gonne be wayyyy psat 99... that was the point

[lunar hawk]

Sorry I meant 302

[lone remnant]

game was never meant to be completed anyway, just let it ride o7

[austere mulch]

“We know you don’t want this. And we spoke to the community who this is for and know they don’t want it as well. So, by your own demand, we’re giving you this!”

[bronze kernel]

Backpedal a bit on the sorting XP nerfs and I feel everyone will be happy

[cyan pewter]

it's a lot more xp to just drop now, it's not worth it at all to sort

[meager flame]

idk why they hate people cleaning their salvage so much either

[lone remnant]

semi active 75k an hour yall overreacting as usual

[meager flame]

we already drop most of it anyways

[frail bough]

Make ANOTHER adjustment to a newly released skill? Not in my house.

[umbral wind]

even before change you still just drop almost everything after sorting
salvaging has always literally been fishing with a different skin on top lol

[glass basalt]

could we have a vote to remove the tick manip that people do at salvaging?
if the whole salvaging exp rates are based on something only a small percentage of people are doing it feels like it might be a must

[drowsy meteor]

if you go from 87 to 99 sailing with only merch ships, you don't salvage only 18k, it's way more than that

[frail bough]

sit

[meager flame]

like lol

[lunar hawk]

Sailing 2025-2025

[meager flame]

its just funny because they dont want you to have a single second of a break

they want you to be as active as humanly possible to get exp

[cyan pewter]

you used to get loot and feel actual reward for playing the game

[meager flame]

must 1.5t or 2t and drop everythingggggggg

[echo trail]

why not put a poll before the nerfed the xp rates though?

[meager flame]

like come on

[tiny epoch]

sorting table + stackables + alchs

[torn tendon]

That was the point back in RSC days I think. You have to click constantly to keep going with woodcutting

[lone remnant]

because people never vote for health of the game, they only vote for benefits

[frail bough]

it is funny watching this and comparing it with wildy altar as well

[umbral wind]

i mean if you're alching then you're not worried about xp efficiency anyways so just keep sorting and alching

[glass basalt]

brrrrooooother, you havent reset the exp gain as is clear on your very own screenshot

[sturdy wolf]

seems like some jmods have a real love for tick manip training methods... and want to balance all skilling methods around that and everything else is just doghist rates lol

[lone remnant]

broooooother it was 92k before i reset the /hr

[meager flame]

i mean the part that kinda freaks me out about the logic with nerfing cleaning isnt even that they want you to tick manip

its that they dont see the value in a period of not clicking when you're doing 2t or 1.5t

[tiny epoch]

yep ur right a 50% nerf is still same

[glass basalt]

not a shot, I am sweating at merchant ships and the max I can get is 60k

[meager flame]

that shit is terrible long term on your hands when you're doing it

having that moment to stop and clean is great

[drowsy meteor]

what were you doing before that you were getting 92k/h and now you're getting 72k/h?

[solid trout]

the best part about this update is that i finally feel like doing non sailing stuff again

[cyan pewter]

actual truth

[lone remnant]

literal skill issue then i have one fella on a hook, me on a hook, when cargo is full i go salvage thru it and put the other homeboy on the hook

and this is hopping now, which is better than camping a world

[drowsy meteor]

yea, and this isn't 72k/h

[glass basalt]

we do the same thing, asuming you also click the extractor ofc

[lone remnant]

yeah when i see it

[glass basalt]

so either you havent actually reset the timer or you are straight up lying

[warm storm]

yeah. i'll probably still clean bc iron and maybe dragon cannon will be good some day. but i really loved the built-in break from high intensity 1.5t-ing

[modern heart]

Wait, put the trollface back in the skillgude

[echo trail]

i mean i am still going to 99 sailing via salvaging , it will just take 20ish hours longer? haha

[dire mango]

ur u both have had different spawn rng with shipwrecks

[sturdy wolf]

agreed lol. i just feel sad that I didnt nolife rush sailing even more since its now poo poo rates for salvage... but at least I feel actually encouraged to do finally other skilling since sailing is in the dumps lol

[umbral wind]

it is +/- 70k/hr doing this at 94 sailing double rune hook
haven't even swapped out the level 3 deckhandy crewmember to the better guy

[lone remnant]

I am not lying and when its proven im right when the dust settles you can all fill out my apology form:

[austere mulch]

If hopping is the intended loop when looking at “afk xp/hr” then that’s a problem 😭😭

[sturdy wolf]

about 40-60 hours longer in reality, and gz on no lifing salvaging ig?

[glass basalt]

the numbers dont lie, you however do

[lunar hawk]

Massive Falador riot world 302 over 200 people

[lone remnant]

im literally at 72k/hr i dont know what to tell you buddy

[drifting pasture]

same

[meager flame]

yeah its just gonna be weird when someone has to complain to them and say "my hands hurt brother can you at least let my cleaning give me the exp it did before"

like we probably shouldn't get to that point lmao

[lone remnant]

thank you @glass basalt want my form filled out and on my desk by 9am

[umbral wind]

Based on Jagex's very accurate estimates of 90k/hr at high end their idea of 'afk' salvaging is you+crew + click extractor, and swap to double crew while sorting, and world hop whenever you can't be salvaging

So its: not 'afk' = tick manip or 'afk' = anything less than tick manip

And if that's not what they intended then they giga missed the mark on the nerfs and quoted numbers in the news post

[lone remnant]

hopping is fine now cause the fellas remember their posts

i aint gotta reorganize the poopdeck anymore

[flint willow]

Bro i just watched a video that i could get 71 salvaging drink the blue beer thing then make rune salvaging hooks and use them now you cant use them and i wasted like 200k now i have to make adamant hooks again tf

[austere mulch]

Hopping being part of an intended game loop is a design failure

[echo trail]

yesterday i was getting around 110k xp/hr manually running a hook + crystal

today im getting 91k xp/hr doing the same method, so i guess in the grand scheme of things its not terrible?

[lone remnant]

be careful youll be called a liar

[lunar hawk]

More ppl
Who complain and voice ur concerns the faster it will be reverted

[glass basalt]

once again you are just wrong, but tell you what buddy. lets asume you didnt just get super lucky with spawns and salvaging and that you actually get those hourly rates whilst everyone else is getting closer to 40k/h
that would even for you be a 30% drop in exp and cleaning the salvage would still be a exp loss
you may post your apology to me publicly cause I want everyone to see it

[lunar hawk]

We pay we say

[nocturne solstice]

I agree but its a consideration. Shoulda seen the riots when forestry nerfed hopping.

[cyan pewter]

you're not getting 91k

[lone remnant]

fill it out coward

[oblique mesa]

This is me being at work and being semi active doing salvage, not that bad all things considered

[plucky drift]

I thought it was 60k an hour before? Now its 40k? Are you doing the wrong merc salvage

[lone remnant]

and its 28 pets now

i havent updated it in a while

[civic aurora]

Compared to what it was it is substantially much worse

[umbral wind]

just to check - have you moved to the correct spot so you're actually hitting double salvage spot? The old spot is super finnicky and if you haven't moved you're probably sitting with one hook afk 50% of the time (assuming the most popular south merchant spot)

[glass basalt]

if I was wrong I would, unfortionately I am not
also really cringe to even have that, kinda proves you are often wrong and get into conflicts

[civic aurora]

i was getting 120k-ish now its 70k

[glass basalt]

I am getting 60k whilst sweating, tohers here are getting 40k

[halcyon spindle]

L Update today

[lunar hawk]

We pay we say! Riot world 302 massive

[glass basalt]

I found the double spot yes, made 100% sure

[dire mango]

im getting 40k with both salvaging for me, barely clicking extractor. if you're actively getting 40k it's a skill issue

[halcyon spindle]

just let me afk salvage

[plucky drift]

"Sweating"

[echo trail]

sure i am! not sure why i cant attach a screenshot right now though, let me figure that out haha

[lone remnant]

more like often right, you can checkmark 'i don't know the content like that' 'i am bad at the game' and 'i dont know RUNESCAPE' maybe also 'i let /r/2007scape influence my views'

[plucky drift]

One click every 30 seconds isnt sweating

[glass basalt]

none of those apply to me, sorry you're bad

[lunar hawk]

Didnt JAGEX have so many years to figure out the xp rates ?

[sturdy wolf]

yeah, thats not the methods jagex intended to nerf to begin with so congrats on missing the news post entirely? 😂 they nerfed the afk method - aka 2 crewmates salvaging by 4 different ways which is about 20-30% nerf to afk salvaging

[glass basalt]

doing every click tick perfect is the sweating equavalent

[lone remnant]

your turn

[gleaming horizon]

Everyone talking about salvage this salvage that- nobody talking about how the vamp kraken safespot’s been changed (nobody including the blog)

[solid trout]

no gilded clog, casual player spotted /s

[austere mulch]

At least that wasn’t the intended behavior, so they deserve some grace there. More specifically, I’m saying if Jagex’s predicted xp/hr that they’re base lining things off of includes hopping, there’s a bigger issue at play (not saying that’s the case)

[glass basalt]

been frontpage on collection logs multible times, the only thing that shows you actually play the game, your turn

[lone remnant]

gg go next bud

[echo trail]

i mean the full active method where you click every 1 minute and man a hook is also nerfed

[halcyon spindle]

that was bound to happen, tbf

[plucky drift]

That still aint sweat lol. Its barely effort.

[glass basalt]

being spooned does not show skill

[lone remnant]

I have the mandate of heaven, handpicked by god

[plucky drift]

Its a fricken agility course amount of effort

[gleaming horizon]

True, but to not even mention it is kinda meh

[glass basalt]

you are missing the point, its about the exp rates you can get tops

[plush plover]

i did wonder if they would ruin the safespot, considering the insane damage they deal to the ship paired with the abysmal drop rates on literally anything that isnt a seed or battlestaff thats a huge L

[lunar hawk]

Massive Falador riot world 302

[lone remnant]

oh looks like my exp went up to 76k while im farming @glass basalt

[true talon]

opulent was like 100k an hour....

[hollow pivot]

@winter hearth I would like to divert you with something unrelated:

Is there any ETA on the Tumeken Shadow rework, and will the rework affect other magic items aswell? Im holding of on buying one til we know more

[plucky drift]

I think they are fine. And i think you can get 70k at merchant salvage

[glass basalt]

you call it farming I call it digging your own grave

[burnt forge]

Careful we dont want them redistributing any of the stats

[lone remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-mask-gif-10635347690073820963

[plucky drift]

Frankly i think they should just gut extractor xp without any redistribution personally. Skill is too easy

[glass basalt]

you "think" do the actual content XD
with lucky spawns and lucky salvaging you might, but thats a whole lot less then way over 100k/h

[lone remnant]

i bet that sounded real hard in your head bro

[frail bough]

nerf it to zero so we know what people really think it should be

[hollow pivot]

Dont really care what they do, but living in the void of cluelessness is awful.. Like is it something that will happen soon, or could it be 4 years from now

[fringe rivet]

I'm at 65k wthout using the extractor. A +14k would still make it 17% of it's total xp.

[lone remnant]

@halcyon spindle miss u bb ❤️

[burnt forge]

Doesnt matter tbh its still bis no matter what happens

[umbral wind]

funny thing about the extractor nerf combined with the salvaging nerf is it feels like it's exactly as important to click now as it was before, since it's contributing just about the same % of your overall exp

[glass basalt]

dont forget the exp loss from not salvaging when using the extractor

[frail bough]

it's been needed since like year 1.5 of release, give it another 3 years

[true talon]

if anything the rebalance is going to make it less reliant on gear and have a lot less powerful multipliers and will get a larger base hit.

[plucky drift]

As in i asked my buddies and thats their rate so far and im getting more than 40k on a skiff

[lunar hawk]

Sailing 2025-2025

[dire mango]

For the people salvaging, have you upgraded to 2x dragon hook and a second deckhand4 guy?

[fringe rivet]

Would encourage you to have it directly next to you, which sucks.

[true talon]

its the cheapest its ever been atm, you might want to pick one up.

[fringe rivet]

Extractor should only charge when the boat is moving

[scarlet willow]

Can't see anything in the update post that mentions that shellbane gryphon's corrosive armour now does 2x as much damage as it did before? Intentional or bug?

[lone remnant]

both rune hooks getting 77k/hr currently

[sturdy wolf]

rest in pieces, was good while it lasted 💔

[glass basalt]

its not the click itself, I have it next to me, the animation to get the exp drop takes ages

[knotty torrent]

mine is far and for me its too expensive rn to change it 🙁

[lunar hawk]

We all
Know they will revert the changes too many people
Upset

[thick beacon]

with how close eye is if they actually nerf it i think it could change alot

[sturdy wolf]

we can hope... doubtful, but hopeful

[dire mango]

So would be even more with dragon hooks and jolly jim

[fringe rivet]

I was kind of hoping they'd implement the flatpack idea this week

[austere mulch]

Just buy it tbh. You can make any difference in value you back well before it gets nerfed.

Plenty people, myself included, bought scythe for 3-3.5b and still had no regrets when it dropped down to 350m

[burnt forge]

In no universe will they make a megarare worse than a normal boss drop

[lunar hawk]

We have. Massive riot world 302 Falador going on right now

[lone remnant]

i went and grabbed jolly jim but yes

prob 4-6k exp/hr more

[thick beacon]

they shouldint have deisgned eye way it is they can easily just nerf eye and shadow

[lunar hawk]

And 120m gp more

[thick beacon]

eye should be nerfed regardless imo

[lunar hawk]

Not worth dragon hooks lol

[graceful agate]

seriously, give it a rest, the people that actually cared heard you the first 40 times

[echo trail]

anyone know if there is a permissions setting i need to get to send screenshots in this chat? thanks 🙂

[lone remnant]

gp isnt real anyway, just dont be poor

[meager flame]

already happened at several bosses and in many situations

[fringe rivet]

lmao, sorting it is getting me less exp than actively salvaging

this is messed up

[lunar hawk]

They took a bit L on this date

[oblique mesa]

Yes that is what the patch notes said

[dire mango]

you need to yap more for perms. It's an activity thing

[fringe rivet]

I think I'm just going to bank my salvage from now on and hope for a buff to sort exp

[final verge]

anyone having ping issues in their home worlds with this update?

[echo trail]

ohhh okok ty!

[thick beacon]

its a really important topic if u are considering altering shadow

[true talon]

neither need to be touched

[keen mesa]

The hype is gone. Sailing now feels like a chore W move jigglyplex

[lunar hawk]

JAGEX doing what JAGEX does

[austere mulch]

Make it 90k no extractor and have extractor only work while moving. We’d be thriving

[lunar hawk]

Abuse early abuse often

[meager flame]

you guys wanna know something kinda funny

[sturdy wolf]

if you arent 1,5tick sweating its a dogshit exp rate skill and back to choreboard once again...

[lone remnant]

@glass basalt so now that so many people are reporting 70k/hr+, when are you filling out my apology form?

[fringe rivet]

eh, honestly I feel 65k xp an hour for a whole lot of no effort is still really damn good

[glass basalt]

still nothing to apologice for, learn to read

[meager flame]

i should go test something now but my main at level 65 is getting about 20k/hr afk at pirate ships and my iron at 99 sailing

is getting 35k at merchant

[lunar hawk]

We pay we say

[meager flame]

i wonder what happens if my iron goes to pirate ships

[fringe rivet]

we pay 2 not play

[lunar hawk]

Massive Falador riot world 302 over 200 ppl here

[lone remnant]

you've probably lost more exp from this riot that you're attending rather than just doing the skill

[frail bough]

i think everyone forgot about the fact that they can now get their tears of guthix xp that they've been holding on for 3 years just for sailing

[graceful agate]

shadow changes are a super relevant topic, 100% agreed - that guy and his middle school friends crashing out at crystal extractor being nerfed aren't - more relevantly, him spamming it every minute for the last couple hours is just exasperating XD

[dire mango]

been holding onto the salvaging kudos items for this

[reef shale]

Yeah the really f****d up salvaging dude a 50% nerf at high level salvage xp is crazy

[austere mulch]

My personal bias just compares it to redwoods as a baseline, which is admittedly generous for an actual afk activity. Plus a sailing tax for forcing me to be in what essentially feels like a separate game world/instance 🤣

[meager flame]

i think redwoods are honestly a pretty good thing to use to compare though

[lofty sinew]

its not only high level tho. i was getting 28k afk before update at pirates. now im at merc and im getting 20k lol

[meager flame]

its a level 90 method vs 87

[lone remnant]

its not 50%

[meager flame]

in both cases you probably don't get anything worth talking about

[glass basalt]

even at the exp rates you claim to be the average the exp loss is over 30%
a few hours of rioting is a droplet in comparison

[real cosmos]

What a good update today!

[lofty sinew]

its more than 50% if ur fully afk

[austere mulch]

Genuine afk, like 2 crew blasting in the background, should be worse than reds for sure. But actively salvaging should be better imo because it’s less afk + sailing tax + managing crew

[lone remnant]

man who cares it was overtuned to begin with

[meager flame]

and in sailings case its extremely insanely inconvenient to even get out there

compared to redwoods

and its like

[lone remnant]

good honestly. it should be 0xp/hr if you're fully afk

play the game

[reef shale]

Dude nobody wants to do agility 2.0 at trials for 60 hours, salvaging and extractor was saving the skill

[meager flame]

absolutely awful in comparison if you were to bank the logs and bank your salvage

[sturdy wolf]

big day for unemployed once again

[lofty sinew]

i dont think anyone should take a clogger seriously

[lone remnant]

you can STILL do that

[meager flame]

so you can see that afk salvage is definitely lacking compared to redwoods

it was honestly worse than redwoods before the changes today

[lone remnant]

im literally working, salvaging, and chatting in here still getting 78k/hr

[meager flame]

talking full afk

[plucky drift]

Extracter being ubiquitous to any sailing activity for sailing training is kind of a problem for the future.

[reef shale]

Even bounty tasks didnt get buffed which is what we where all excited for and its the single worst way to train

[austere mulch]

Speaking of trials though, are the box changes actually fine this time or are they a bust again

[lone remnant]

I hope jagex nerfs it more just for the chaos

[quaint osprey]

It's basically a mobile nerf. Because can't do barracuda on mobile for extractor and active skilling. So afk without extractor is giganerfed for mobile peeps

[keen mesa]

You WILL do water agility and YOU WILL LIKE IT!

[glass basalt]

for several reasons you should care
these exp rates were in the game for way to long to reduce it this heavily without a pol
the exp rates feeling good is not a bad thing, if anything it would be good to the game
it's a high lvl requirement for these rates and considering how sailing is built up it makes sence for the rates to be at what it was

[meager flame]

tbh idk if extractor was even a real problem

[lone remnant]

getting to vote is a privilege not a requirement buddy

[meager flame]

like lets say you got 150k an hour and the bad activity got 5k

[keen mesa]

EOC called

[meager flame]

extractor made that 180k vs 35k or whatever

[split jolt]

10/10 shit update

[meager flame]

the difference is actually still the same

[glass basalt]

you saying a game that thrives on publicly saying every change is voted on by their playerbase shouldnt let their players vote?

[plush plover]

I enjoyed the bounty tasks, delivery was just all round bad ( bad exp, bad rewards) and trials my computer cant handle so salvaging or bounties are the core of the skill for me, shame to have a huge nerf on the salvage and nothing addressed with the combat for bounties

[meager flame]

and thats what drives your decision making

[plucky drift]

It literally isnt what

[lone remnant]

Yes honestly, it holds the game back from good updates cause timmy thinks he knows better

[meager flame]

so they're really just mad that people are leveling up

[fringe rivet]

the real issue is it still feels compulsory

[plucky drift]

Not by percentage that is

[digital falcon]

Old School RuneScape
(OSRS) has a voting system to maintain its commitment to being a community-driven game where players decide on major changes and new content. This system was established when the game was brought back, promising players they would have a say in its development.

[meager flame]

because the baseline changing doesn't change the driver of your decision making

[split jolt]

I do barracuda trials on mobile… but yes, it’s a big xp nerf for the little shit xp that we get from sailing

[reef shale]

Bounty tasks cost so much in cannonballs for both irons and mains that theyre not even worth doing lol you lose profit everytime

[meager flame]

yeah but percentages dont matter thats the real world result

[graceful agate]

Loss Aversion fallacy - unfortunately people are never going to vote for something which might be inconvenient for them even when it's objectively healthy for the future of the skill

[sturdy wolf]

have you tried turning off entirely the 117hd plugins and gpu plugins if you are playing on runelite? Ive heard that those might help a bit at least on the playability but might still be rough?

[meager flame]

the only reason they would change it is because they're upset that people are hitting 99

[dire mango]

they were in the game for 2 weeks... If there is a time for changing them it is now. Jagex didn't even have good data on all the salvaging methods until enough players got to 87.

[lone remnant]

THey just cannot understand that some changes need to be made without polling

[glass basalt]

you know
You got 1 point
yes, lil timmy doesnt know shit for whats good for the game
but jagax has made it their thing to say that even lil timmy gets his vote, kinda get back out of that now

[plush plover]

i agree but it at least feels fun!

[quaint osprey]

Even shark glide? Wow nice.

[lone remnant]

imagine still having god blowpipe in the game

[austere mulch]

No adjustments at all to combat, when it probably has the most amount of feedback across all sailing aspects, so there’s no shortage of ideas to pull from

Was definitely a choice lol

[plucky drift]

They do matter. Extractor improving one activity by 150% and another by 35% and another by 15% makes it hell to actually balance rates by the activity

[dawn jackal]

why is the default comparison to redwoods

[meager flame]

yeah im honestly kind of getting upset with this lol

[glass basalt]

didnt people get to 87 on d2/d3?

[meager flame]

they keep pushing back the real changes to make things better

[dawn jackal]

redwoods are some of the most imbalanced skilling content that exists

[plush plover]

yeah, im just running a really old pc sadly cant afford an upgrade at this time! i genuinely had to do laggy lagoon on mobile following someone to complete it 😂

[meager flame]

and we keep messing around with stuff like

[dire mango]

Combat is probably a harder one to tackle which would take more than a week i'd guess

[plucky drift]

And exrractor being the only faciltiy that gives xp on the level it does. With very little opportunity cost for using it and having it is really bad design.

[bronze kernel]

BTW, anyone test the rates with using Jenkins + Jolly Jim yet in comparison? Since having a second Deckhand 4 means you now get more XP per salvages on the second hook with a Crewmate.

[meager flame]

oh maybe the box should be this shape and omg fuck these people trying to afk

[lone remnant]

This is the only thing I'll give ground on here. combat not being touched is awful.

[meager flame]

etc lol

[reef shale]

Hitting 14s with almost 90 sailing and a rune cannon on krakens for an hour to complete 2 tasks for 19k xp does not feel fun

[graceful agate]

there are quite a few bounty tasks which can be super profitable - try looking for some of the more interesting or rare tasks

[fervent igloo]

might be first sensible thing ive heard

[dire mango]

The people getting 87 on d2/d3 were not salvaging to get there

[glass basalt]

oh for sure, but it did not take long for people that did to get there

[austere mulch]

That’s fair, but it still could’ve used a temporary lift like “We’re increasing the damage of cannonballs by 2 for now while we discuss further changes” or something

[split jolt]

Took 60 runs to finally get it right without mistakes lol

[austere mulch]

Anything really

[glass basalt]

the moment they releazed the exp/h they could have nerfed it
or you know...when they tested the exp themselves pre-release

[meager flame]

they should've just made your crewmages if level 4 do the same damage you do with your cannon

and roll off of your range level

[dire mango]

jagex didn't have data on the methods until the afk'ing masses got there. And they did not get to 87 within the first few days.

[plush plover]

i didnt do the krakens so i cant comment, i did manta rays for 3-5 min 14k exp drops, i did try the vamp krakens yesterday and their drop rates were pretty bad though

[sturdy wolf]

they apparently also removed entirely the safespots from great white sharks and vampyre krakens lol, so theres no point in doing them at all since ship combat is so horrible still

[meager flame]

so potting matters still

your crewmates being absolute morons wasting your ammo is a huge problem as is

[austere mulch]

They asked if there are any small wins they can get for combat and there have been no shortage of suggestions that could be small wins while they tackle the core of it more thoroughly

[glass basalt]

the afking masses dont "just afk" many did barracuda till they got bored and then wanted to afk for a bit

[glass basalt]

also, just standing by a double spot...yeah they had the methods pre-release

[lunar hawk]

Massive Falador riot world 302 over 200 ppl here

[dire mango]

They could, and probably did test some. But they can't predict which method specifically that players prefer. Now they can see if people prefer active salvaging, full afk, extractor clicking etc.

[meager flame]

then they have other problems like

[fallen oak]

Huge Jagex L!

[meager flame]

honestly

how exactly did they think we would get cannonballs

lmao im being serious its so bad

and you waste so many of them

[lunar hawk]

Great job JAGEX

[dire mango]

The grand exchange

[meager flame]

idk how you even need testing to like

come to the conclusion that it makes no sense

[noble veldt]

Well this is false... "No changes are being made this week as the team is taking a considered approach and reviewing data before we make those adjustments."

as the XP has dropped was giving 600XP per click to now 250XP per click.

[glass basalt]

I mean preference aside, they knew the exp rates

[lone remnant]

yeah if you could all redirect your rage to the combat aspect of sailing that would be 100% better for everyone

[lunar hawk]

Abuse early abuse often

[meager flame]

the even crazier thing is

[lunar hawk]

JAGEX?

[meager flame]

we do port tasks and like hunter rumors they could be giving you some stuff like

hey maybe we could get some cannonballs to do combat with

crazy i know

[sturdy wolf]

the "no changes are being made" was for last week btw. so they made the changes this week. just to let you know

[meager flame]

lmao and then they put cannonballs on the salvage drop tables like

[plush plover]

balls/paints would be nice to see there

[meager flame]

yeah hes gonna be so happy when he gets like

200 rune cannonballs after he afks for a week

[glass basalt]

we will get to it when we get to it, the salvaging problem is worse for now

[meager flame]

his crewmates might kill like

6 birds with that

lmao its insane

[lone remnant]

the salvaging is fine. literally 80k/hr

[lusty kelp]

the fact that botters me the most is not the xp rates, its the barrel being 1/20k ('needing' 2) thats 1/40K being 10m xp

[dire mango]

They didn't actually. Apparently the faster frequency of crewmates was a bug. So if they made estimates they probably did it with intended stuff, not bugs . It's also unclear if they knew double-spots would be meta or not pre-release.

[paper prism]

Idk if anyone has done great white method where they go to a spot both cannons hit (majority of the time) . But I think they changed the pathing of the sharks and it’s fucked. No more sailing for me ✌🏽

[lunar hawk]

JAGEX took a huge L

[glass basalt]

if you add a double spot its just obvious people would use it no?
the bug is fair to bring up, but even with those exp rates calced we are now lower then what they would have had

[plush plover]

using dragon hooks? :S

[frail bough]

lol

[lone remnant]

2 rune hooks, i main salvage, only 2 on hooks when i clean. hop when spots are dead

crystal extractor at like 50% eff

[lunar hawk]

Promoting tick manipulation is pad lmao

Bad

[proven notch]

I kind of mind the drop rate being 1/20k with it being the only source, that's the problem. Now they nerf exp rates on savaging so we are wasting more time trying to get for less xp.

[dire mango]

You would think so. But jagex isn't known for extensive testing and bug-free releases. Can't assume they had perfect info pre-release.

[plush plover]

im on 65k/hr~ doing the same method

[proven notch]

So grinding more

[lone remnant]

hmm, whats your level?

[plush plover]

87

[lone remnant]

could be they added more scaling per level and just didnt tell us

[glass basalt]

world hopping as a game loop is emergen breaking, should never be required for exp rates

[lone remnant]

yeah im 96

so that seems right, it does scale pretty hard

[cinder reef]

I'm 88 getting 70k doing it

[glass basalt]

this feels like something that should have been tested dont you agree?

[plush plover]

fair enough

[fervent igloo]

as an iron, please say this louder

[lunar hawk]

We pay we say

[lone remnant]

when are you filling out my apology form

[glass basalt]

no need to, when are you?

[frail bough]

you know he cant read that

[lone remnant]

what do I have to apologize for, im literally right lol

[frail bough]

you have to apologize for making him read

[sturdy wolf]

brother fucking stop. this is just cringe at this point. also id say that goes into harassment category since you constantly bugging that 1 single person.... which is against server rules

[fervent igloo]

just a troll

[glass basalt]

I wrote the reasons down for you, feel free to use your own cringe apology copy paste

[lone remnant]

so is saying no no words

[dire mango]

I do. But in reality i know they don't test everything nearly as thoroughly as people want. We are the QA.

[lunar hawk]

JAGEX punching the air tn

[frail bough]

tonight? not in my house

[glass basalt]

no no words? come on man 🤡

[lone remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-swallog-prey-bye-gif-11429031

[proven notch]

I understand nerfing the extractor but salvaging across the board

[glass basalt]

feels like that is another L then no?

[fervent igloo]

SDE

[paper prism]

I’d be happy if they reverted all changes except great white drops and frost dragons

[lunar hawk]

Massive Falador riot world 302 over 200 ppl here

[lone remnant]

this cycology guy thinks this clown emoji holds power

[dire mango]

That applies to every update tho. It's not sailing exclusive.

[echo trail]

this!

[frail bough]

lmk when its 300

[sturdy wolf]

what did they change about great white drops? I missed that in the patch notes?

[meager flame]

tbf it probably is going to be kinda crazy once people wake up and really get on

[glass basalt]

fair fair, but still means our origonal points about that they could have tested it are valid, they had the tools they had the time

[sacred skiff]

thank goodness Horizon's Lure works on all sailing xp now lol

Phrasing that like it's a buff when it was a bugfix

[meager flame]

i think protesting in game is stupid and does nothing but lol

[lone remnant]

brother they clearly tested it, im getting very good exp rates LOL

[fervent igloo]

you're doing the work yourself tbh

[sacred skiff]

Can't even use the thing at Gwenith unless you drop a teleport focus

[graceful agate]

@nocturne solstice so at what point does this cross the bar from shitposting to doxxing?

[paper prism]

I don’t think dragon sheets/ keel were dropping

[lone remnant]

not as good as before obviously, but its still good

[frail bough]

got another 9 hours before US people are out of work

[sacred skiff]

no room on a damn skiff even with no salvage hook or chum station

[glass basalt]

are you unable to read? we are talking pre release

[fervent igloo]

its the LDE psychology

[lone remnant]

you look like the default character when im spamming through tutorial island hush

[frail bough]

this feels like a dn joke

[sturdy wolf]

oh huh, didnt even know that they were supposed to drop those LMAO, thought great white sharks dropped ONLY the dragon hook... well thats nice at least then for those

[lunar hawk]

We pay we say

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like that would be enough tbh

[dire mango]

Well yes, but that could've been said day 1 as well. There is always more testing that could've been done. I'd rather they balance early like now than leave stuff in an unhealthy spot, than balance 2yrs later like with ToA.

[restive sapphire]

i noticed that rescuing castaways has no pet roll
that's it gonna leave em all behind

[glass basalt]

to be fair, it wasnt even in a unhealthy spot

[lone remnant]

but i have 4 jobs, 3 wives, and 42 children why do people get to abuse it before me 😠

[frail bough]

save the dog though ya?

[glass basalt]

sailing I mean, toa was

[meager flame]

idk my real feedback with the exp changes is just that honestly please don't encourage dropping salvage having the break from tick manip while you clean is good and healthy for the game

[restive sapphire]

surely

[meager flame]

and maybe walk back some of the number changes a little bit

the nerfs seem kind of large

you could even get both of those with the same fix

[charred acorn]

Yo is it actually 1600 kills on rate for ray barbs and 1000 albatross for feathers? Whoever cooked that up is out of their fucking mind

[meager flame]

just give cleaning back some exp

[frail bough]

they just adjusted rates so that we look forward to next weeks update and then ext weeks update they tease us with another update

for 30 years

[glass basalt]

in this update we got a massive exp/h reduction and a huge blow to ship combat with the removal of safespots

[meager flame]

oh wait did they actually remove ship safespots

[fervent igloo]

weak and pathetic, the LDE continues.

[lone remnant]

yes, please complain about ship combat something that actually needs to be worked on

[glass basalt]

people there are saying so

[meager flame]

thats actually so funny it hurts if that actually happened

[lone remnant]

i dont know what lde means man sorry buddy

[meager flame]

the update is that ship combat is now worse

we eating good

[glass basalt]

you know what, just for you
they removed the one thing in ship combat that was genuenly in a good place during this update

[frail bough]

uh oh he's walking in to it

[primal thunder]

Hey team when is the UIM poll planned

[austere mulch]

I’m almost 99 so I’ll go ahead and leak. You can still tele your boat after removing the tele focus

[upbeat gate]

ofc they were going to remove the safespots (probably shouldve been mentioned in the blog tho), combat itself needs a complete tuning rework tho

[sturdy wolf]

so fucking weird that in the same post jagex acknowledges how bad the ship combat is but at the same time just outright removes the safespots 😮‍💨 like.... what? safespotting exists for SO many mobs... idk why they felt like safespotting the sharks and krakens was too much and had to go... kinda dumb tbh

[austere mulch]

Been doing it since I got the extractor

[keen mesa]

Yeah, because ignoring the rest of the dumpster fire to focus on one broken feature totally isn’t missing the point.

[lone remnant]

running*

[dire mango]

Stuff was bugged, they feel themselves that the afk rates were too generous compared to other skills. Had it been released with these rates i doubt many would complain as it's still decent afk-rates.
Some complaints are valid ofc, like them excluding sorting from the core loop, including hopping, changing too many variables at once. But the main part of why ppl are angry is that they now get less xp/hr than before. Which isn't negative in itself.

[paper prism]

Exactly lol so we can keep that in. Went 2100kc before I got hook 👎 but I’m 90% sure they lowkey changed pathing of great whites so meta for killing them is eff’d

[frail bough]

the glass door stands no chance, straight on through

[lone remnant]

its literally not a dumpster fire. you guys just clearly havent tried it. I literally keep screaming into the wind im getting 80k/hr

[glass basalt]

maybe a tiny bit to generous, but this reduction is mad

[frail bough]

if we just imagine that they released it like this, doesnt that make it better?

[glass basalt]

you say ofcourse but safespotting is a core part of osrs

[austere mulch]

Sauce

[lone remnant]

Yes, nobody would complain if it was released like this

thats why i dont understand the whining

[frail bough]

mhmm

[keen mesa]

Which method are you doing? I am double spot salvaging and cleaning my salvage as im an iron so I am obliged to do this if I want upgrades at a whopping 42k/hr

[frail bough]

nerfs are great because when you get 99 you can say you got it post nerf and look cooler

[glass basalt]

you think people would not complain seeing that cleaning your salvage is a exp/h loss!?

[true talon]

btw this update is more disliked than wrathmaw which is impressive.

this update already has 950+ dislikes

[upbeat gate]

nobody wants their candy taken away, despite it being unhealthy. The whining is understandable but slightly overblown

[frail bough]

almost like...there's more players? 👀

[lone remnant]

i operate one hook, crewmate on other. when i go clean, I put the other guy on the hook until i clean it all

[keen mesa]

Not only is it an exp nerf, its a drop rate nerf. Reducing the time to get salvage means the 1/20k is already giga-brain fucked for irons

[lone remnant]

and waaaay more people in the loop on it

[frail bough]

no campaigning, no sponsored streams, no anticipation, etc etc

[civic aurora]

Im doing this and getting 70k

[glass basalt]

isnt the 20k just a clarification?

[civic aurora]

think their 90k rates are off

[meager flame]

yeah but the rate you obtain salvage changed

so its even worse than it was

[dire mango]

Just based on personal experience i'm getting 40k/hr for very afk salvaging with both crew mates at the hooks at 93. It's better and more afk than stars. So i don't really see why it's such an issue. Haven't tried "active salvaging" yet so i can't judge it yet. Too many different numbers floating around.

[meager flame]

1 in 20k is already not serious

especially when you have to do it twice

but lol

idk

they're just pouring it on

i guess we need a survey to know its dumb

[austere mulch]

Idk if this works with greater focus btw. Never built it on my skiff

But tele focus is a cosmetic boat facility

[glass basalt]

stars is completely comparable, different skill, way more afk, different skill that has been in the game for over 20years with set rates.
Sailing is a clean slate with options for higher exp rates

[meager flame]

not that im mad at the surveys

someone is trying to give people the opportunity to let them know

it just seems like they probably shouldn't need that level of help

at least not on that topic

[lone remnant]

honestly they should nerf it by 50% more just for the haha's

[meager flame]

they're also WAY too slow to give people the surveys

[dire mango]

Sailing still exists in the context of the current game tho. It's not like it should be high xp just because it's new. It should be balanced according to existing skills.

[meager flame]

it should've been one of the og ones that was just included in the news post

[frail bough]

@austere mulch would like to tell you its because sailing is on the water and mining is on land

[lone remnant]

also remember that you guys voted for a literal april fools joke as a skill, so they did the best they could with their silly community that shouldnt be allowed to even vote on what ice cream they get

[glass basalt]

I mean, we have skills that get easily over 300k/h without much effort
100k for a new skill doesnt sound bad

[meager flame]

im now down to just under 33k/hr at 99 with rune salvage hooks fully afk

[lone remnant]

and with that said: they knocked this shit out of the park on everything but combat

[meager flame]

the good thing with this is that theres really no way to mess it up its just all natural rng with the spots spawning or not

just under 2 hours running too

[glass basalt]

who knew that things people have joked about in the past could be awesome ideas that fit the game?!
a game in a fantasy medievalish setting could use boats?! whoa, thats crazy!

[frail bough]

scaling feels good, upgrades feel good (and buffed even more today), etc etc

[lone remnant]

you dont exist for me until you fill out my apology form dont @ me ever again coward

[graceful agate]

ngl, some people do genuinely enjoy the sailing combat, it's just very different in feel to the rest of modern combat in the came

[glass basalt]

you still need to post the official apology to me you coward

[graceful agate]

people expecting it to be 'land pvm, but on boats' when it's not

[meager flame]

i think it honestly feels like modern combat if you just couldn't do anything

[lone remnant]

it is fun, just very very janky as it stands currently

[split jolt]

Some, small minority, of people do.

[meager flame]

because that's basically what it is

im sure some might like the simplicity but its weird just kinda standing there if you like

[pulsar oxide]

any news on pet rates from sailing adjacent updates? i.e. ironwoods etc

[dire mango]

Which skills have 300k/hr for 2-5 clicks/min?

[meager flame]

you know actively playing the game

[austere mulch]

Do you put on your bright red shoes before or after the face paint?

[fringe rivet]

there's no way the ray barb drop rates are correct

[glass basalt]

didnt specify clicks, but afk solo wt is pretty close to that if memory serves
might even be less clicks if you use the safespots

[meager flame]

tbh what i should be doing

[lone remnant]

this is so weird, I was told my exp rates were fake... but they just continue to go up! what a crazy world

[graceful agate]

the rates listed in the devblog are definitely incorrect

[meager flame]

is finding my own world and killing that one great white while i afk salvage

[split jolt]

Xp rates haven’t gone up in any possible way😂

[graceful agate]

source: 500 mantas, 72 barbs currently

[lone remnant]

i know, the dude was saying i was faking 72k/hr post update

[hollow iron]

get ur swift albatros feathers before they are 5m ea...

[split jolt]

Classic

[lone remnant]

and now im at 83k/hr

[meager flame]

especially once my main account hits 87 sailing to go reset spots for me

disgusting alt methods inc with this skill for sure

[paper prism]

Ah yes, keep feeding the fire everyone. We would love a hot fix to revert changes. TBH I feel like skill isn’t worth grinding past 87 now, there’s no incentive like increased success for trawling/ salvaging or ship combat.

[lone remnant]

fellas please redirect all energy to ship combat, salvaging is just fine

[graceful agate]

well, other than the bypass rate for weapons going up...

[sturdy wolf]

salvaging is dogshit unless you are actively paying attention to it lol

[paper prism]

At trash rates tho lol

[civic aurora]

can you guys ignore the ragebaiter already

[lone remnant]

83k/hr while working and chatting in here im gonna doubt that man

[sturdy wolf]

at which point you mightas well do port tasks for 2x the exp

[hollow iron]

Why did they punnish Salvaging this much?

[pulsar oxide]

mods got 99 already

[graceful agate]

oh I'm not arguing that but it still does make a big difference, double trash is still trash, but it's also still double

[sturdy wolf]

like you said yourself- you were actively paying attention to it my dude 😂 might as well do port tasks at that point for nearly 2x the exp rates lmao

[hollow iron]

Salvaging was the only thing i liked about this skill. Should have never done Sailing ingame...

[lone remnant]

im not actively paying attention though. i check everytime i get a ding, which is at most, once a minute

[austere mulch]

They should “redistribute” the rest of crystal extractor xp into sorting

[nova pivot]

lmao the "1.2m" effective exp comments in the blogpost had me laughing. Let's nerf all quest exp because some have 100m+ effective exp

[austere mulch]

But actually redistribute it this time

[fringe rivet]

because making it so extractor only charges while moving is to hard and they think adjust exp rates is easier

[paper prism]

Do you think dragon cannons/ salvaging hooks are worth?

[potent dagger]

prolly cause they didn't want players to get 100k xp/hr for 30 mins of afk while the barracuda trialers were getting double that but had to stay completely locked in with good clicks

[brave olive]

Merchant shipwreck salvaging still doesn’t give clog slot for dragon cannonballs

[sturdy wolf]

salvaging isnt worth it at all at any point atm. unless you are content with dogshit exp rates and full afk. if you are paying attention to it might as well do port tasks for more exp, and if you are 2ticking it might as well do trials for even more exp again

[glass basalt]

port task only have 1 single collection log..and its common!!
no hate on it being common, cool and all, but with just 1 clog to get..salvaging is the way to go

[brave olive]

Yes i bug reported it

[upbeat gate]

they shouldve just removed all xp from the extractor and left all other methods as are imo

[civic aurora]

or make extractor only work while moving

[upbeat gate]

that'd also work yeah

[meager flame]

idk why they're so worried about people hitting 99 tbh

[stiff sleet]

RIP Sailing

[graceful agate]

depends what you value money at for a main / how you value your time as an iron - imo unless you already want to engage with both the content to give the item and use it, not particularly worth - but people will always pay for bis

[meager flame]

i did almost every skill in the game in the same time frame so like

idk

it seems in line

[pulsar oxide]

if (Sails.areSet()) crystalExtractorTimer.start();

[warm storm]

leaving it as compulsory-feeling but less rewarding was like the worst possible outcome 😭

[frozen lion]

Jagex I give u time until i get crystal extractor to bring back how it was, u dont have much time

[fossil mural]

Neat my sails are set and I’m sailing into a rock not moving

[knotty helm]

They said before problem was it felt like compulsory gameplay. 256 xp drops still feel compulsory to me.

[meager flame]

ya this update was basically

[pulsar oxide]

thanks for doing play test

[meager flame]

play just as sweaty if not more so and you get less exp

[upbeat gate]

Yup, feels awful because you're still "forced" to run it

[fossil mural]

You should be allowed to assign one of your crewmates to man the Crystal Extractor

[sturdy wolf]

with sailing exp being nerfed so heavily on salvaging I feel even more so now to be forced to get the extractor exp lol, even more so than before

[frozen lion]

I knew that with wow players coming there would be wow devs ideas coming as well... osrs 2012-2025 RIP in pieces

[fossil mural]

They nerfed the exp rate on it, let a crewmate manage it

[red acorn]

It's still a fast skill, if these were rates on release (not including 1-30) there'd be no complaints

[glass basalt]

with the extractor nerf it gives about as much exp as a single salvage....is it even worth it?

[warm storm]

it definitely is, it's like 500k xp/hr if you count only the time you are actively interacting

[graceful agate]

this, 100%, it's just loss aversion fallacy that because people feel like they had something and now it's been taken away they're crashing out

[frozen lion]

They could have literally left things as it is, just boost xp rates for courier tasks as they are useless past lvl 30, would be fine but no they have to "balance" xdd

[sturdy wolf]

eh idk, salvaging while afk is so slow now so might as well once a minute click to get that extra exp. before I couldnt be bothered really since it was that fast anyways

[red acorn]

They're wanting to leave some space for future content - so they won't make it rs3 rates when they do

[fallen oak]

Sailing

[graceful agate]

that's not detracting from the fact that there are some valid concerns with today's changes, but people raging helps no one and definitely doesn't give a constructive dialogue XD

[red acorn]

there are, for sure

[stiff sleet]

They killed sailing. gj jagex ❤️

[frozen lion]

reverse update, no need for more dialogue

[red acorn]

and I'm a UIM player patiently waiting too 😂 but the exp rates are completely fine

[austere mulch]

Cannons, no. There’s no ship combat that’s worthwhile on a main unless maybe you feel like clogging and even then, unless you use dragon cannonballs, the answer is probably no.

Salvaging hooks no, assuming you do basically any amount of trials

Maybe cannons will have a future use though

[hard axle]

Hold up, you only get pet roll if you make the time?

I swear I’ve seen a pet while missing time

[glass basalt]

actually, not really
with the time it takes to actually claim the exp you could get a salvage
so its basically like 50exp/harvest...maybe a bit more
in exchange for extra clicks
this is asuming you click exactly when it goes live every time

[plush plover]

is there any plan to add time to the trials? i dont suspect most people with physical disabilities to be tick perfect with minimal mistakes to clear a trial

[frozen lion]

just get better boat 4HEad

[plush plover]

i wasnt referring to me. i have what i need from them already

[frozen lion]

then they should get better boat, its not like they have to clear it with bare minimum requirements

[warm storm]

"there is a chance u could get a lesser xp drop in the time you got a bigger xp so it is not worth it"
am i understanding correctly?

[upbeat gate]

you dont need to be tick perfect. if you cant make the time, you'll get it with your boat upgrades

[austere mulch]

If you were doing 30mins afk, you were getting 35-45k xp/hr because that means no extractor

[glass basalt]

not even remotely close?

[true talon]

smithing rune keel parts was 335k an hour an profitable, but they crashed now.

[plush plover]

at higher upgrades does it leave enough leeway? :S

[upbeat gate]

easily yeah

[warm storm]

your math would make sense with a 100% catch rate on salvage

[austere mulch]

Can sails be set with anchor in place? Anchor tech new bis for afk

[graceful agate]

I think a single dragon cannon is pretty relevant for people that don't have shadow and want to do sailing combat, two is 100% superfluous though

[open gust]

Dragon nails about to skyrocket, rosewood hull doing port tasks is SO good right now

And best pet rate

[sturdy wolf]

it can be apparently lol. so if you lift your acnhor the boat starts moving immediately again. its kinda fun

[true talon]

Issue with 1/20k drop is thats a massive grind for future proofing sailing combat on an iron, not to mention how terrible it is to get dragon cannon balls.

rune cannon balls aswell

[potent dagger]

nah, i was getting 100k/hr with extractor and extractor was 34k/hr, so thats 64k/hr without extractor

now its like 73k/hr with extractor and rune hooks

[mellow flume]

good changes but fsr the page says you need to hit time on trials to get soup which is definitely not true from first hand experience lmao

[graceful agate]

zero disagreement there - it's honestly surprising considering how iron-friendly most updates have been in the last couple years

[true talon]

sailing end game is the worst ironman drop rates i think ive seen lol.

[glass basalt]

dont get me wrong, its more exp obviously
but extra effort, costs of making it and having it in a less then optimal spot
amd the exp is way overhyped

its just not nearly as good as osrs is claiming

[mellow flume]

tbh iron drop rates aren't too bad for most things, worst thing is a dragon keel which still isn't a huge grind, especially on task

[graceful agate]

genuinely feels like Nightmare drop logic

[mellow flume]

Like 1/20k sounds bad but in reality that's like 30 hours at most

[true talon]

it takes longer to get 2 cannon barrels than to max the skill

[austere mulch]

It’s 1 or 0 player max hit increase over rune cannon for most cannonballs at 99 / 12 range so the real differentiator is dragon cannonballs imo. Havent really noticed much of the accuracy but also did limited combat.

It’s one aspect of cannons as a whole that I think should get reworked 😭 give dragon cannon a min hit or something

[graceful agate]

it's a weird one because I do think hyper-rare chase items from normal mobs is a good idea overall - it just becomes problematic when they're 'core progression' items

[austere mulch]

That’s with you salvaging & cleaning*, isn’t it? Which isn’t 30 mins afk

[glass basalt]

took me a good bit over 75hours to get salvors paint which was claimed to be 1/12909

[graceful agate]

but I think the moment you look at dragon cannon / hook / greater tele focus as luxury items, it becomes more acceptable

[umbral grove]

I think even if 1.5t its more than 30 hours

[true talon]

I just hate that if i want to have bis ship (for the future, because current ship combat is useless) i need to basically do a longer grind than chambers

[umbral wind]

this is osrs we're talking about, everyone complaining is going to go 50x dry ofc (because they 'used up' their rng getting spooned a 1kc bronze defender) so at most its like 300+ hours ofc

[potent dagger]

just think about mining stars vs actively training mining and you'll know what i mean. I don't like it either cause its slower xp, but the changes make complete sense to me

[austere mulch]

It’s the new imbued heart, but less beneficial to the account as a grind. Have fun

[graceful agate]

the accuracy is super relevant, but only for like, actual high level sailing mobs - I honestly feel like dragon cannons are to some extent a future-proofing thing

[stark dome]

Pls let UIM put some offcuts in cargo hold so our crew can use the chum spreader

Just a couple pls

[glass basalt]

@warm storm whoops, forgot the 1.5tick situvation
if you do that then the extractor is a exp loss

[austere mulch]

Fwiw I’m not saying the changes shouldn’t have come. I’m saying that the look on what is actual afk salvaging needs to be more precise as a whole.

I do think there was an over correction though. Should’ve just nerfed extractor or removed it entirely

[graceful agate]

to be fair there's no single items that's as 'bad' as imbued heart, it's just there's quite a few 'heart-type' items

[hard nebula]

Jagex this was an awful update. Completely disconnected

[warm storm]

yeah, 1.5t with dropping is like 2x+ better than not

[mellow flume]

Oh yea I mean paints are different but they're also cosmetics

So tbh even if they take 500 hours idc

If smth doesn't have gameplay function it's fine to be super rare

[hard nebula]

Way to kill the best sailing method out of nowhere. What happened to redistributing the xp from crystal extractors? Just nerfed it even more?? Doesn’t make any sense.

[forest bluff]

saying extractor is 1.2mil effective xphr is the dumbest shit I've read all month. whats the effective xp of clicking a redwood tree? planting trees? clicking fallen stars? dear lord

[mellow flume]

lower bc you need to do the action

[hard nebula]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooo Jagex

[glass basalt]

oh I meant that as an example for your dragon cannon thing only taking 30hours

[hard nebula]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[lone remnant]

clicking an abby demon is 1b gp/hr

[stark dome]

Lmao extractors mad they have to play the game 😂

[lone remnant]

effectively

[mellow flume]

planting trees is a super fast effective xp/hr but yea

[graceful agate]

yeah, I think the consesus from anyone looking at this at all rationally is 'extractor was a problem, it needed to go, but they should've killed it properly rather than going for this half-measure while they decide what they want to buff in its place - and the stacking hits to salvaging were a little strong all together'

[mellow flume]

stuff like redwoods and stars isn't

[hard nebula]

No I’m mad they nerfed salvaging xp even more

[glass basalt]

75+hours for 1 cannon barrel would not be rare

[stark dome]

Salvagers mad they have to play the game 😂

[mellow flume]

tbf salvaging needed nerfing anyway

was really strong for how afk it was

[hard nebula]

Salvaging is playing the game????

[stark dome]

Not the way some of yall were doin it

[hard nebula]

Awful UIM take

[graceful agate]

salvaging did need nerfing but hitting item rates as well as xp rates was a bit overboard

[mellow flume]

oh yea that wasn't in response to the drop rates tbf

[austere mulch]

You also have to let extractor charge (let alone needing to be sailing to use it). Easiest way to think of it is you can’t just log in for 3t and get the xp from extractor, so saying the effective xp was 1.2m was a crazy statement on that fact alone lol

Magic trees by the same logic are like 10m effective xp/hr which is well above farming EHP

[umbral wind]

Checking health on a redwood tree is 100m effective xp/hr

A more reasonable number would be 500k effective xp/hr, to keep it in line with the crystal extractor from sailing

So we're nerfing redwood tree 'check health' exp to 112.25 exp.
Thank you for understanding, we hope this will encourage players to engage with other methods of farming such as raking weeds

[mellow flume]

well i mean you can go to the extractor between other actions, that's the reason why it's strong

[warm storm]

nobody has a problem using this metric for birdhouses though

[graceful agate]

I think they communicated it a little badly, but the fact that it was ~30-40k/hr added on to literally every activity that required you to do it was not healthy design

[fossil mural]

Did they address moving facilities without losing rare components / magic stones?

[hard nebula]

Brain dead. Why don’t they nerf redwoods by half too? Why not anglers even more? AFK is part of the game. This is RuneScape.

[austere mulch]

They do. You use the total time of running the birdhouse loop for ehp

Same with farm runs

Not just the time of the action

[mellow flume]

also yeah idk if any of you did much sailing but crystal extractor felt awful to use from a gameplay perspective

[mellow flume]

you include the time of walking to the extractor for ehp

[stark dome]

No need to be upset 🙁

[warm storm]

ahh, true. good point.

[mellow flume]

but not the time for it to charge bc you can do other stuff as it's charging

[austere mulch]

You can’t login an harvest it or do it outside of sailing, so it’s not like fletching where it’s effectively zero-time

[fossil mural]

Again just let us throw a crewmate on the crystal extractor and forget about it

[glass fog]

Salvaging did not need a nerf

[austere mulch]

It should be judged entirely on xp/hr basis to be anything remotely sensible

[mellow flume]

in the same way for birdhouses you count the time to do the birdhouse run, but you don't count the time waiting for the birdhouses to fill up

[fossil mural]

Most of the time half my crew is just wandering around my boat aimlessly anyways

[strange idol]

Just give uims full cargo storage. We keep telling you we don’t want any gimmicks for this skill. The point of the gamemode is not to be stuck in presailing metas

[austere mulch]

Yeah that’s the point I’m making. The run isn’t part of the action, but is still considered

[mellow flume]

maxed uim here, keep that shit restricted

[austere mulch]

Going by the action itself with no context is just crazy lol

[strange idol]

Maxed uim here, brain dead opinion

[true talon]

nerfing extractor drastically hurt every sailing method besides trials.

[long siren]

RinkoLover, if you want to do that, do it to yourself, some of us want to enjoy new content which will be completely impossible without the hold on UIM.

[meager flame]

i mean it hurt trials too

lol

[true talon]

the nerf to extractor was bigger hit to port tasks than the 15% buff

[meager flame]

that exp was baseline

[austere mulch]

They should just revert and make it so extractor charges while moving ezpz

[meager flame]

idk why people try to talk % changes when its just a flat nerf to everything in real world gains

[true talon]

it dont hurt trials as hard, you can only use extractor on straight aways or else it fucks your course.

[austere mulch]

So you need 100 ticks of movement to get a new charge

[umbral wind]

Even if they were to compare properly it's not a fair 1:1 comparison either since you can't do anything you want while waiting for extractor, and you can for birdhouse/farm runs - you're still sailing in some way, be it salvaging, tasks, trials, etc They already nerfed extractor at the bank boat

[austere mulch]

Should be easy enough

[stark dome]

Full cargo? Naaaaah. Just let us put the full list of items in. Not allowing offcuts breaks the chum spreader

[meager flame]

thats the best part

[split jolt]

Lol, nah. To you it did, I maximized extractor whole under time.

[true talon]

like you might get 1-2 extractor uses per 6 min course

[meager flame]

if you weren't clicking the extractor you were losing more exp than you were gaining by going marginally faster

so basically you clicked on cd more or less

[wet knoll]

First let players spend millions on extractors and extra hooks, then more than half the xp. Nice

[strange idol]

Fors the idiot uims who don't want cargo increase they can just NOT USE THE CARGO and we can all be happy

[mellow flume]

No activity has proven to be impossible on uim

[austere mulch]

Should consistently be 3 shouldn’t it? Maybe 4. Idr just trying to play the course in my head

Point still stands though

[meager flame]

also based on the current tuning

thats still the case with the extractor in trials

always click it

[austere mulch]

It’s for sure at least 3 tho

[next crag]

So for salvaging they nerfed the xp rates plus gp/hr by around 41% or so. Was already pretty bad money maker since most of the loot is junk in the first place. Didn't they say before when they do lower xp rate skills the gp output is higher? 🤔 without buffing the loot tables they make gathering yourself 25% slower and crewmates 66% slower. I'm not really worried about lower xp rates if the gp/hr makes up for it. Maybe since crystal extractor gives lower xp maybe guarantee a crystal shard every time 🤔

[mellow flume]

but yeah clicking extractor every minute or you just lose 20% of your xp/hr just felt like awful design

[long siren]

and I would like it to stay that way. Go right now and do a ToB run with a single brew dose, no supply crates allowed, this is what you're restricting us to in terms of sailing.

[mellow flume]

I've done tob (though admittedly not much on the account yet), I'm a bagless uim

It is not even close to that restricted

[meager flame]

i think it actually feels worse now

[long siren]

it is actually that restricted

[meager flame]

they actually didn't make not clicking extractor ideal gameplay

its still the best action you can take in the game for sailing exp

so realistically you should play the exact same way

just for less

[fresh forge]

I don’t think that’s fixed

[long siren]

also, you're already playing a different game mode if you have a bagless uim, stop pushing this on the rest of us.

[umbral wind]

nor should it be fixed, otherwise they may aswell literally delete it

[mellow flume]

Tbf I do wish it would be nerfed more and instead spread throughout the activities

[analog crow]

Further sailing feedback: If you're gonna force me to dismiss my crew at Jubbly Jive then at least have a crew registrar at Corsair Cove so I can get them back!
jfc so annoying

[umbral wind]

It makes sense that doing some extra action will increase your xp to some extent

the only 'problem' with it was in 2025 everyone is a meta-slave and feel like they don't have agency to just not engage with something if they personally dont enjoy engaging with it

[mellow flume]

But when that extra action is almost irrelevant to your actual activity it feels unfun

especially when there is times where it is relevant

(in trials there are times you would want to use it for the purpose of the extra boost)

[opaque cypress]

@mod thanks for ruining sailing in one quick update

[bold portal]

Mmmm, I love me some nerfs.

So motivated now.

At least the sweats got their 99s, tho.

[umbral wind]

so in your opinion should they remove alching and fletching while doing agility?

or do you just not engage with it because it's unfun

[echo trail]

while salvaging merchant shipwrecks now, is it not worth to click the extractor given a salvage is 200 xp and the extractor is 250 given the ticks you are not on the hook?

[mellow flume]

Those are different, old skills, just bc old skills have unfun mechanics doesn't mean new ones also should

[warm storm]

it's still better xp/hr for standard salvaging (not 1.5t)

[mellow flume]

That being said I don't tend to fletch during sepulchre for that reason

[meager flame]

always click extractor

[true atlas]

getting 48k xp/hr at merchant shipwrecks. That's not on par with the level requirement

[austere mulch]

Genuine question - why would it be 1 brew dose and not 1 full pot (I know this is meant to be a metaphor but still lol)

[warm storm]

yeah but you have a 1/20,000 chance for a small buff to ship combat!

[next crag]

Would be worth it if you get a crystal shard every time. Otherwise yes not as worth it unless you are sorting salvage even that is kind of a waste of time now.

[mellow flume]

But either way I would say multiskilling is a different thing to doing one skill full on

[quartz locust]

Even with these changes my general opinion hasn't changed from my original feedback from a few days back, restricting core features of a skill for the sake of restricting something isn't "UIM" it's a restriction for the sake of having one not having it thought out, if players playing with additional self imposed restrictions wish to continue not using it and self restrict that's fine, but having something fully restricted for the sake of it doesn't exactly make sense

[meager flame]

just wait until im 30m sailing exp and have 2 cannons

then i'll really be sailing

[echo trail]

on the bright side, my two rosewood trees on fossil island are almost done growing!!

but no chance i will get the dragon nails required to use them haha

[fresh forge]

You realise you’re cursing your acc to get to 30m with a single drop now, right?

[meager flame]

i mean im already at 14 going on 15

[torpid delta]

i know we're all mad right now but what's the deal with the trollface they removed from the thieving guide. did anyone even see that

[meager flame]

if you pretend im starting now thats almost on normal rate

[long siren]

it's probably not 1, but afaik, you don't use 24 full brews at tob. it's closer to 12 brews. So, 2 doses then.

[austere mulch]

Instead of adding dragon nails at a human rate to actual sailing content, we’re going to make frost dragons, which are effectively unrelated to sailing entirely, spawn faster - as this is the intended path!

[meager flame]

but yeah im living the reason that 1 in 20k drop rates are dumb

[umbral wind]

oh that's how this works?

Can't wait until i'm 10m sailing exp with 4 cannons

[meager flame]

yeah i cant wait to

lmao

afk 20k frost dragons next

[foggy yarrow]

The "buff" to salvaging of adding multiple "double spots" is actually several nerfs because:

• 6 wrecks per cluster instead of 5 but still only 3 active at a time
• the changes to "salvaging hook range" now means the "overlap" of the spots has to be at-least as wide as the sloop and not obstructed, or it will prevent both hooks from operating simultaneously

People at W490's Merchant shipwrecks are reporting 65-70k k xp/h down from 115-120 yesterday (Crystal extractor + Rune salvaging hooks or better + actively salvaging) which seems to be more like a 50% nerf in contrast to the suggested 20-30%.

[meager flame]

or better yet maybe i'll figure out that turael skipping is a minor improvement

[austere mulch]

Depends quite a bit on team quality but if you’re not tanking p1 and everyone has max gear, 2 brew doses is usually comfy for verz.

But that’s not a realistic scenario for most, if any, uim I’d imagine

Was just wondering if there was some relative restriction in cargo that made an equivalent challenge of not being able to easily change 1doses into 4

[meager flame]

and i can kill undead chickens a lot of the time instead of frost dragons!!!

[fringe rivet]

Extractor just should have charged only when moving. That would get rid of the compulsory issue during the low-effort activity.

[austere mulch]

Uim completely out of my scope, but literally day 1 sailing I was like “this must suck for uim” lmao

[icy relic]

I am SO glad I'm 99

[meager flame]

unironically same

[icy relic]

like holy fuck these nerfs just took all the joy out of the skill

so out of touch

[meager flame]

from the top rope on everything people were doing lmao

[icy relic]

imagine chasing imaginary numbers

and slaughtering every last bit of gameplay in the process

to a skill that already had awful pain points like monsters taking 50 minutes to loot because IMMERSION

gotta throw out the net

[wind fractal]

Jagex, you are horrendous dogs for this update, unfortunately

[long siren]

Nah, just that normal accounts have 240 cargo slots, and uim have 10. So basically any content going forward will have to be balanced around having only 10 repair kits available.

[meager flame]

lmao this is too funny i have no idea why

i've never seen anyone call anyone else horrendous dogs

[wicked venture]

58.3% nerf to extractor with a 20-30% nerf to salvaging, shoulda just got 99 faster.

[icy relic]

we can't just make a potion and then drink it? nah get your ass to cotton farming so you can use an extra step to make bandages

[austere mulch]

Not with that weighting 😭😭😭

[umbral wind]

for a gamemode called 'ultimate ironman' it sure does have a lot of soft marshmallow-like men

[austere mulch]

Maxing your boat is now a passive grind sitting alongside imbued heart grind

[meager flame]

ya that was my gut reaction but i haven't even tried to do the numbers

[austere mulch]

Grind for barrage tasks and frosties

[meager flame]

and yeah its too bad they decided to execute people's experience today

[hard nebula]

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo jagex what an awful update

[meager flame]

because if they hadn't we could talk about frost dragon weight being so low its comical and useless

[icy relic]

oh meanwhile we need a full consultation process to figure WHY SHIP COMBAT SUCKS

[split jolt]

Just found another change that they did during the last trials😲

[icy relic]

but we can't have that conversation before the skill ships and instead we nerf everything

[austere mulch]

10 cargo slots?? With how much damage ships take? LOOL

[split jolt]

Coming out of the last portal, normally able to click one tile up then back down while collecting the crate

[hard nebula]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo what a horrible disconnected update

[split jolt]

Now the crate doesn’t get picked up

[meager flame]

i kinda do think they should have set aside nerfing everything and worked on like

[next crag]

I'm 97 atm so not really worried but still the regular loot across the board needs a huge buff. 8 hours of doing vampire krakens and I walked away with -4M 😅 just sad, and now salvaging merch ships is what 80k gp/hr? Not counting cannon drop. Just sad.

[icy relic]

gotta go back to the old route

[meager flame]

improving the experience people are having with actually participating in the skill

[austere mulch]

That is hilariously awful lmao

[icy relic]

that picks up the two boxes

[analog crow]

Doing my usual route I am no longer picking up the crates as usual
I do believe you guys screwed up on the lost cargo again

[icy relic]

on the very first pass

[knotty helm]

At merchant sorting with rune hooks, after a few hours to let rates settle I've seen a drop from about 115k -> 75k.

[split jolt]

Wrong one you’re thinking about

[dawn jackal]

i would be willing to bet a lot they have people who never stopped working on improving the skill

[long siren]

I don't know if that's supposed to get to me, but it doesn't tbh. I'm not playing uim to show of to anyone, I do it because I enjoy the problem solving. There is no problem solving involved in most issues releated to the cargo hold, it just locks us out of content completely.

[meager flame]

ya it just gives the wrong vibe

[dawn jackal]

what can they do?

[meager flame]

two weeks in and we're just out here kinda stomping on stuff that didn't desperately need fixes and the really bad stuff has gotten 0 change

[dawn jackal]

content changes definitely require more than 2 weeks

[hard nebula]

not nerf xp rates they said would be buffed with extractor nerf

[icy relic]

What can they do?? 1) Make crystal extractor 1t-able so it actually works as intended for gwenith glide, add it to the sailing side panel

[hard nebula]

they didn't "redistribute xp" they nerfed it

[dawn jackal]

i imagine they checked the engagement numbers and realized salvaging was overtuned

[long siren]

Yeah, that was my point, it's difficult to find an equivalent in the rest of the game.

[short oar]

i dont care about the supposedly "huge" nerfs i am once asking for the sailors amulet to be nerfed

[austere mulch]

Heard they removed/broke the safe spot there too

[meager flame]

i mean it doesn't take 1 day to change the weight for frost dragons or realize a 1 in 20k drop is absurd

[dawn jackal]

best rip the bandaid off first

[icy relic]

2. remove looting animation on sea creatures, fix the fact that you have to shoot 50k gp into every kraken just to kill it

[dawn jackal]

yea they'll fix this stuff

[meager flame]

it also doesn't take two weeks to realize hey maybe port tasks should give people some cannonballs etc

nor is it that hard to make crewmates/cannons do enough dps to be remotely reasonable

[dawn jackal]

again, this stuff takes more than 2 weeks. give time!

[icy relic]

3. not nerf the thing that people have to spend hundreds of hours at for multiple 1/20k drops

4. not make sailing endgame the frost dragon farming simulator

[meager flame]

those definitely aren't two week changes

[austere mulch]

Probably like doing awakened leviathan with the chip damage invocation from toa and a few sharks 💀

[dawn jackal]

the skill certainly isn't perfect . but it's not a binary of they stopped working on the skill to do nerfs

[meager flame]

now they should make improvements that will likely take much longer

[gleaming horizon]

For starters- could have something to do with the fact that if you actually wanna use both cannons you have to play invisible Twister™ on the ocean surface to be angled perfectly

[meager flame]

but thats not a good reason to not take the easy Ws just sitting there

[fossil mural]

With the salvaging going from 4t to 5t, and hugely nuking cleaning exp… I’d hope the 1/3k salvages, 1/12k paint and 1/20k cannon will get relooked at

[meager flame]

while we wait

[icy relic]

there are SO many pain points with the skill

and their knee-jerk reaction is not to fix the insanely unethical drop rates

but rather to nerf everything across the board

[dawn jackal]

unethical lmao

[icy relic]

including slowing down salvaging

[dawn jackal]

what a choice of language

[lunar hawk]

Massive riot in Falador world 302

[serene siren]

bring backk old salvaging

[austere mulch]

Honestly just remove the dmg reduction on crewmates firing and replace it with a min damage roll when the player fires

[meager flame]

i wouldn't even say its unethical when it comes to the cannon barrel at this point its just boring and not gameplay

[long siren]

yeah, it's just a massive spike in difficulty for UIM completely unrelated to not having a bank

[meager flame]

its time passing simulator

[icy relic]

yes because in case OSRS players get gaslit into forgetting this, our IRL time matters are our attention economy is competed for

[torpid delta]

the 1/12k paint has been looked at and is now 1/24k smile

[umbral wind]

the drop rates are blatantly an artifical extension to the length of 'content' in the skill while they make more real content. there's no way they are touching those until they have more to do with sailing

otherwise it will just be nonstop complaining about how sailing was a waste of time and everyone finished literally everything with it in 1 month

If you thought they would buff drop rates with the content in this state you were coping hard

[meager flame]

and frost dragons aren't much better

instead of gameplay its like

[short oar]

wdym sailing is literally a very fast skill?

[meager flame]

hey click you extended super antifire and uh

yeah thats kinda it

[dawn jackal]

i'm not trying to glaze jagex at all the skill does absolutely need a ton of work and there's low hanging fruit that appears to exist

[meager flame]

go bank when your inventory is empty

[dawn jackal]

but it's wild to assume that they aren't working on fixes

[icy relic]

the skill is fast but the grinds are awful to complete your boat

[hard nebula]

35xp for cleaning opulent salvage now??? booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo jagex what a horrible update

I voted for sailing i did not vote for this BS

[frail bough]

I think you mean wooooo

[wicked venture]

I just dont see how nerfing 40% exp is gonna help lmfao. People are going to get 99 and stop

[icy relic]

what is it, like 10M exp to get 2 dragon cannons? then there's the dragon hooks, the 1000+ dragon nails and plates, the bottled storms

[meager flame]

it was

have to redo the numbers now

[reef shale]

I was so behind jagex with sailing until now this is the dumbest update ive seen in years

[dawn jackal]

i'm sure they realized pretty quickly that the salvaging rates are too high for most people to care to engage with anything else in the skill and needed to change it. it's so much better to do a nerf like that immediately than wait another weeks

[burnt apex]

Dogshit update Dogshit update Dogshit update Dogshit update Dogshit update Dogshit update

[meager flame]

well actually it was more than that

[short oar]

is it really 40 percent a clanmate said he went from 105k salvaging to 97k

[meager flame]

we thought it was 1 in 18k

its in fact 1 in 20k

[hard nebula]

Dogshit update :CrabPls:
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[meager flame]

:)

[dawn jackal]

like how could you justify any more dev time into sailing when salvaging rated stayed 110k

[burnt apex]

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[foggy yarrow]

don't worry friend, it's far less now since opulent salvage only sorts for 35xp

[hard nebula]

thats non afk, it wasn't close to that if you were afking

[dawn jackal]

people will moan and then still salvage at 70k xp

[meager flame]

but yeah idk its just weird i've done grinds at engaging content like cox for way more hours than boats take

[icy relic]

so true

[glass basalt]

I am near max efforting and still under 70k/h

[meager flame]

but im still sitting here confused like

[wicked venture]

Crystal extractor was 58.3% nerf, and salvaging was like 20-30%. Unless youre tick manipulation in which case its close to old ratea

[meager flame]

why are you asking me to afk this many hours

[burnt apex]

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[meager flame]

i want to play the game

[opaque cypress]

ruined sailing

[meager flame]

its kinda nuts

[opaque cypress]

jagex ruins everything we dont vote on

[hard nebula]

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[icy relic]

frost dragons being the only viable source of nails should not be a thing

every port bounty should be a nail

[short oar]

ngl it makes sense afk salvaging was way too good better to let the nutjobs complain early and get it over with

[frail bough]

Lol true

[wicked venture]

Frost dragon spawn rate increase waz the only good thing is this update

[meager flame]

well yeah what else can they do they were afking for a reason i imagine

[hard nebula]

its not close to that afk

[frail bough]

Nice

[mellow flume]

overall i think the update as a whole was good but yea a few kinks still with it

[reef shale]

They should have polled this dude its so terrible

[hard nebula]

muppet

[frail bough]

Yep

[meager flame]

i honestly dont really think outside of port tasks

[short oar]

you should be able to submit an application to jagex and if you have multiple kids and work a lot they should just give you boosted rates amirite

[meager flame]

that sailing is any better today than it was yesterday

[umbral wind]

✨ Hey dude, the entire rest of the game still exists, you can play it, it's right there, be the person you want to be, have fun, you can do whatever you want ✨

[fringe rivet]

The main thing is extractor still makes you feel like a clicker monkey during salvage

[frail bough]

I don't think outside of prt tasks either

[icy relic]

the extractor was fine

[foggy yarrow]

it's more than that because there are now 6 shipwrecks per cluster with still only 3 active (up from 5 before) and the respawn times/uptimes haven't been increased

[icy relic]

either you afk or you click the extractor every minute

[fringe rivet]

the extractor was not fine

[mellow flume]

the extractor was not fine

[icy relic]

all this hand wringing over 36k xp/hr and now the entire skill is broken

[dawn jackal]

the game is worse now that we know short port tasks are gonna be pet meta 😀

[sacred skiff]

What if they nerfed salvage processing xp, so that people would drop their salvage, to protect the fragile value of the overly rare dragon cannon

[short oar]

lmao

[meager flame]

yeah but this is the content they gave me i mean i could make a new account or just play another game for sure

but it still doesn't make what they put out make any sense

[fringe rivet]

this is what I'm getting from Self-Salvage + 1 Crew, no extractor, no sort
If it was also extractor it'd be 80k

[meager flame]

on some level someone sat there thinking that players should afk salvage for 1 in 20k drops

and i just

couldn't agree with them less

[short oar]

why? they correctly identified that salvaging was way to good and there was no reason to ever engage with other high intensity methods,

[mellow flume]

tbf they intentionally designed a tick manip method

[sacred skiff]

Well Husky outright said that in the dev blogs

[gleaming horizon]

This is what I strongly dislike about how we often get adjustments. Couldn’t just nerf the extractor, had to toggle six other levers at the same time and just pray it worked out

[sacred skiff]

like it was a good thing for some of this shit to be an absolute insane grind

[icy relic]

they should never intentionally design a tick manip method

never again

[mellow flume]

so you don't need to afk for a 1/20k

[meager flame]

like if i could actually go do something fun instead for the same number of hours to get the drop

i would do that

[icy relic]

I accept it is a part of the game for old content

[umbral wind]

almost double the xp/hr (more like 4x from old full-afk double-crew rates) is a pretty good reason to engage with high intensity methods tbh, does it really need to be 2.5x the xp/hr

[meager flame]

but they didn't give us that option

[icy relic]

but why lean into it

[mellow flume]

the tick manip method is like weird but it is fun

just kinda feels different

[spark nebula]

roll back the update

[short oar]

lmao you are funny

[mellow flume]

definitely less fun that traditional tick manip to me but still like it

[split jolt]

Should had made the extractor be only useful while moving

[dawn jackal]

how could you possibly complain about 3t salvaging lol

[sacred skiff]

Would be really nice if, when I'm personally salvaging, my char would like "look" for salvage spots to come back online like the crew

if they're gonna essentially force us to do the more manual method

at least make us as good at it as our crew is

[icy relic]

I did mostly barracuda trials to 99

maybe like 2m exp salvaging

[next crag]

Don't really mind a xp nerf but needs to come with a gp buff to balance it out

[meager flame]

"though we'll never balance this method specifically around tick manipulation since we understand it has a reasonably niche appeal." this is jagex's stance on tick manip in sailing btw

[mellow flume]

barracuda trials are definitely the most fun way of doing the skill but tbf that's just bc trials are super fun

[meager flame]

so basically

[split jolt]

That’s what I’m doing on mobile… it’s already Dogshit as is on mobile, they’re just making it worst

[meager flame]

they also know that sucks

[short oar]

tick manip methods arent supposed to be fun

[icy relic]

they nerfed the speed of salvaging too, this is the core issue

[meager flame]

exactly

[mellow flume]

tick manip methods are fun

[dawn jackal]

i really appreciate skills with the option for a higher intensity method for better rates

[robust elm]

it's not that bad tbh, if jagex released these exp rates on day 1 we wouldn't complain that much.

[dawn jackal]

it adds a modular choice to my gameplay

[potent dagger]

is it the same tick manip as barb fishing?

[short oar]

yep imo better to rip the bandaid now

[wicked venture]

They coulda just buffed trials and made extractor only work while moving. Then agk salvage would look so hivh on the xp

[short oar]

they should just make the trials 400k per hour and get it over with amirite

[umbral wind]

They could make them even more fun to learn if they gave an option to finish a trial without all boxes for like 20% less bonus xp per missed box or something - feels bad when learning and you miss a non-early box and have to completely interrupt your flow to still be able to finish, or reset and lose it all

[fringe rivet]

I agree, but I also think we shouldn't have the extractor while salvaging

[graceful agate]

Imagine if extractor charged based on the speed your ship was moving

[icy relic]

making extractor only charge while moving fixes this

[mellow flume]

trials are already kinda insane rates

[wicked venture]

If they made it higher xp at trials, salvaging would not look so op

[meager flame]

and tbh

[fringe rivet]

that's what I've been suggesting for the past week and a half

[meager flame]

i actually think this update made the tick manip options less appealing

[icy relic]

it did

[graceful agate]

Actual reward for using rapids and efficient movement

[meager flame]

instead of giving you the scheduled break to clean your salvage they want you maxing out on the sweat dropping salvage

[icy relic]

it broke tick manip because 5T instead of 4T cycle

so now you have to wait a tick

[short oar]

yes but trials are already a zero gp very fast xp method. salvaging was way too high for what it was

[meager flame]

i feel like hlc twitter made today's changes

even though i know they didn't

[fringe rivet]

if anything, trials should cost money

they should damage your boat

since they're such good exp

[next crag]

Trials is over 2x xp/hr before anyways now its maybe 3x if I'm correct.

[gray summit]

i love gwttign 30k exp an hour on merchant shipwrecks

[austere mulch]

Chess not checkers play right there.

“We’re not going to look at cannons right now, so we’re going to secretly try to make less dragon cannons come into the game”

What if the rate was actually 1/18k but they rounded it to 20 because nobody would really feel the difference

[meager flame]

like some straight autumn elegy flown in to balance this update for us type of changes lol

[spark nebula]

fire the mod that made the sailing nerfs \

[fringe rivet]

for a 30min pure afk activity, that's really good

[obsidian venture]

1. I genuinely don’t mind the nerf to salvaging. It’s a 30 min afk method. However it’d be ideal if the crystal extractor xp was fully integrated to salvaging xp over interacting with it. People truly didn’t afk this if they were interacting with the extractor.
2. Would have liked to see changes to actual sailing combat and bounties as well as buffing how cannons work as they are very underwhelming.
3. Would have liked to see a bigger difference in upgrading hooks. Potential dragon hooks could be a full tick faster if you decided to upgrade them and that’d suffice.
4. Not too surprised with the community uproar