game-update

[meager flame]

is exactly what they did wrong with the sailing interface

like theres no reason that your ship name is just aura farming at the top of the interface wasting your space lmao

and then the ship facilities/stats/crewmates buttons to switch to different screens probably shouldn't even be there

and lol if you could change just that you've already reclaimed like 30% of the interfaces space

then you get the giant "not steering" thing

like you somehow wouldn't know

and even if that is a problem you probably didnt solve it by making it random text in the interface that i doubt someone is reading if they're a little confused in the moment

especially considering that they might have scrolled away from it because you wasted so much space already that you have a scroll bar

[chrome lantern]

Replace the text that currently says "Facilities" with your ship name

[austere mulch]

but then how would one possible know that they are not steering

what other visual queues could possibly exist

like the boat not moving

or nobody standing at the helm

[meager flame]

the only thing i feel like they'd have to really work on solving is where to put the crewmate interface that just shows the list of names on your boat

because i do think that has to exist just incase you have to kick a player off your boat

but the ship stats is very easy

[tacit wharf]

put it right along the top

[meager flame]

you'd just make a small icon on the equipment panel just like they did to swap between your ship interface and your combat style interface

i do think that they need to consider maybe adding new tabs to the interface somewhere though

they're trying really hard to keep it simple and the same shape as the classic layout

but they're starting to do the menus inside of menus inside of menus thing

and thats not good

[hasty shard]

you can use that button when you're not on a boat which is funny

like it does nothing. you arent on a boat why is it here

[merry flicker]

You can toggle it to only display while on a boat

[hasty shard]

oh

why the option though

[merry flicker]

It should just be default yeah. I haven't seen a use

[royal nebula]

I wonder what would people think about boosting the dragon nail drops from Merchant Salvage.
Currently it just seems unnecessarily low, making the Frost Dragons only real way to get them.
You get 99 sailing through salvage without even getting enough to get Rosewood hull to your Skiff.

[meager flame]

im about to get 99 sailing not having gotten enough nails from salvage to make a cargo hold

the drop might as well not exist

the way its currently setup is if you want to do it yourself

you're gonna hit 87

try to get 2 cannons

hit 99

[main kestrel]

it appears to me to be balanced around building your cannons when you get the cannon on rate but ignoring any of the other things you need them for

[meager flame]

then just do millions of post 99 exp to get anything else

then bang out like 20k frost dragons

does that arguably suck

yeah probably

and yeah on rate you should probably get enough nails to create your two cannons

which is only 32 nails

i dont personally really like the idea of the rates being so crazy that like

you just go from 87 to actually 99 to get 2 items while dropping doing any other content

[hasty shard]

partly why i wish sailing was less xp/h tbh

[meager flame]

and then just turn around and do a crazy post 99 grind for anything else

[hasty shard]

theres like not really a time where you are just grinding the skill, you are just grinding for things that you get with sailing

[meager flame]

ya like

im probably gonna go dry and hit 99 without a cannon and then like

[hasty shard]

like salvaging is padded out at every level with a 1/3k drop lol

[meager flame]

idk

i guess im going for 50m sailing

[hasty shard]

theres like 8 new big fish, all the paints etc.

[meager flame]

lmao

[main kestrel]

800 nails if doing merchant all the way to 200m

one sloop

[hasty shard]

charting gets you to 50/80 pretty passively as well

so you can just kinda ignore other methods cause the one time thing gives you so much

if you want to blitz 99 you would not do this and just camp trials

[meager flame]

ya that part is actually almost worse somehow

it just seems weird that the skill isn't really designed for you to actually go get stuff

like honestly what you should do unless you're an iron is just trials to 99 get nothing

buy your boat

and never do any of this again

and if you're an iron its flipped around where you don't even really progress through the skill in any kind of sane way

you're just expected to go at it like you're hunting for an imbued heart or two

way past 99

[chrome lantern]

Just get 3 cannon barrels at 90 like me

In all seriousness though, it really feels like all of the endgame sailing upgrades have a similar flavor to the imbued heart - buy one for 100m if you’re a main, or go do tens to hundreds of hours of menial grinding at trash mobs. On the one positive side, you don’t need to get tasks to kill them, unlike the imbued heart, but it would still be preferable to have rare items come from actual good and engaging content rather than tens or even hundreds of hours of killing garbage enemies

[fossil mural]

The skill is very well designed IMO. It doesn't feel like a crazy slog like some and you are given different paths you can choose from whether you want to rush spamming trials, collection log and just passively get to 99 on the route to that, or afk salvage your way to 99

dragon part component drop rates could use a second pass but getting a fully dragoned up boat isn't critical

[chrome lantern]

I agree, I just think that it would be more enticing if it weren’t just throwing yourself in the dragon sheet mines for tens of hours on top of thousands of kills on an unfinished ship combat system

But dragon ship components definitely not required for anything

[restive siren]

heard they are somewhat required for marlin trawling but havent tested it myself

[true talon]

max boat seems to be troll. a rune everything is about as good as dragon, dragon feels like a flex. best upgrade is a rosewood hull as it actually does something.

[chrome lantern]

The dragon keel is also a significant upgrade, not really sure what you mean

The only upgrade that doesn't have a significant impact is the helm

But yes their stated design intent is that you can do all the content without a maxed boat

[austere mulch]

Semi-rare agreeance from me with gnomemonkey’s opinion video, but his views on sailing I think are spot on

[true talon]

I think the future of sailing has a lot of potential, but its intial release is very fleshed out in what it can unlock.

bounty and chartering needs work for sure

[austere mulch]

Overall, skill is good. But it’s a self-serving skill that feels incredibly isolated compared to everything else and some aspects like combat just feel so awful to the point where it’s hard to envision it not being that way

I really do enjoy it myself, but it feels like its own thing. Like there’s sailing, and then there’s the rest of the game

[true talon]

also right now best way to get around is teleport or charter to docks an then recall boat lol

sailing to docks is such a waste of time

[bold granite]

i mean thats kind of a given no? you upgrade your boat to allow teleporting it same way you dont walk to ardy/varrock/wherever else in the main game

[main kestrel]

i mean as is walking from lumbridge to varrock, you do it until you dont need to

[meager flame]

ya thats the part that bugs me the most about it

if you're going to ask me to spend a lot of hours at content

save that for good content

lol like honestly frost dragons do nothing they're not fun

afk salvage

nothings going on

[hasty shard]

getting the clogs for sailing will just get you 99 and like what is there to show for it

[meager flame]

thats probably for later

[hasty shard]

its a bit too closed loop for rewards

[meager flame]

right now everything feeds into sailing like its the ultimate end game

[hasty shard]

later when theres even more grinds 😭

[meager flame]

but sailing doesn't give anything back

[hasty shard]

i want to say bottled storm is currently the one thing that gives back but like

lol

and marlins ig but eh

[meager flame]

its basically the most useless side quest in the game atm

but it has a 300 hour duration

that'll probably change eventually

[chrome lantern]

It feels to me like bluefin are a lot better than marlin, am I wrong?

[hasty shard]

bluefin are the +5 prayer right

oh right halibut are better kwams

i feel like thats more impactful

its just so pathetically easy to grind karambwans though

[meager flame]

ya i mean i typically use karambwan for absolutely everything

so i'd probably just move over to the new karambwan

[hasty shard]

like you have 4m afk and its one of the fastest ways to train cooking, and you can also just shopscape them

having to willingly trawl which nobody seems to want to do is more of an ask

[meager flame]

i mean the numbers i see on the fish people are getting seem reasonable

like

i kind of do expect that to be the new norm eventually

[chrome lantern]

I'll reserve my judgment for after I do it, I'm seeing 600+ marlin/hr

[meager flame]

but the real difference in using old fish vs new fish

kind of doesn't even matter atm

so most people will take time to swap over

it would be different if the practical difference weren't so minor

[hasty shard]

it'll take something fairly stronger to get me to swap off of anglers lmao

[meager flame]

i almost kinda think its bad content in a way though

[hasty shard]

i mean angler paint value says enough

[meager flame]

because a lot of those fish are just a flat upgrade when it comes down to it

so in like 5 years

people probably just wont do karambwans at all

instead of having two pieces of content one is kinda getting binned

[hasty shard]

oh you 100% do karambwans for the afk

[main kestrel]

wouldnt we run out of fine fish offcuts

or do the new fish return so many

[chrome lantern]

On the one hand it makes sense to use marlin somewhere like vard where it helps your trip length, but on the other hand you might be better off still also mixing in anglers so you don't have to heal mid-fight and lost dps

[hasty shard]

probably if you're an iron, if you're a main you're doing them cause you don't know about cave eel fishing for longer afk

[meager flame]

i mean i wouldn't do them afk anymore the rates are very low exp wise and you can go grab hundreds of the better version per hour easily

[hasty shard]

i was thinking the opposite for vard cause id rather the overheal to not get aped

esp using axe

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I said a mix of both

Like marlin to heal back up at the end of kill then start with an angler overheal

[meager flame]

i do think its just a weird situation though

like anglers you have a reason for prepots if nothing else

but the fishing skill kinda just took a huge loss lol

sailing is the better way to fish now most likely if you want food to use

and fishing is basically just for exp

[chrome lantern]

I don't see that as a big issue tbh if trawling is not afk

[meager flame]

its mostly just weird

[hasty shard]

and theres kind of not a lot of xp methods i feel

[chrome lantern]

Trawling is also really low xp/hr

[meager flame]

like sailing has a huge scope it didn't really need to cut down on another skill so heavily

[chrome lantern]

I mean I feel like the only thing it really replaced for fishing is minnows

Which I see as a good thing

[meager flame]

basically if you want exp you go barb fish and otherwise see you on the boat

[chrome lantern]

I would still AFK bwans or anglers on an iron

[meager flame]

unless you just need the hardest afk content ever while at work or something

anglers are kinda reasonable for prepots and stuff but like

you dont spend a lot of time doing that

[meager flame]

yeah but where do you use 30k prepots

[chrome lantern]

I will

Don't worry

[meager flame]

can probably greenlog the entire game if you actually just used it for that lol

[hasty shard]

how long until we get blighted marlin

[meager flame]

probably when they release the wilderness ocean

i still hope they dont do ship pvp because its just going to be the greatest tragedy ever written for osrs

"help my ship is stuck and odablock killed me for my entire bank"

"i went afk with my friend and he just sailed us into the middle of the wild and i lost everything"

[true talon]

all those updates to make anglers more obtainable only to bin them with marlins lol

guess the overheal still has value

[chrome lantern]

I mean they didn't really make them more obtainable, with how few diabolic worms you get

[manic pollen]

Speaking of trawling, I kinda like the idea of there being a way to do it for exp at the cost of the resources since I like the game loop of it. Perhaps as a port task to deliver "fresh" untradeable versions of the fish that you catch while on task, with the task giving fishing + sailing exp on turn in? Not quite sure what exp rates it would target. It's reasonably active of course, but it's hybrid and should be careful to not delete other fishing methods from relevance lol

It could also be a sink for camphor crates in theory, though idk if that's necessary. Could also still allow for a chance at the special versions of the fish while you're doing the tasks, thus giving an excuse to do the lower level shoals.

[dusky scroll]

Want to buy preset crewmate options, I want to hop and not have to assign each crewmate a place manually.

Make it so I can click one preset button and they all know what to do

But also have 3+ presets I can set so I can change them based on what activity I’m doing

[analog crow]

Why I'm able to unman the helm during the trial to begin with is not something I understand

[steep tangle]

Clicking ice off helm = 3 clicks
Unmanning the helm = 4 clicks

Kind of frustrating if you spam click your helm during the trial

[tacit wharf]

so menu entry swap it so u cant unman yr helm

[blissful topaz]

Even the bury option? Its gonna be OP for new chars unless it stops being an option after certain prayer level or everyone gets that option (which i prefer)

[heavy ledge]

? She was asking about STASH units depositing things you have equipped and the bury option isn’t a setting, it’s a right click option

So everyone will have the right click option

[mental timber]

Suggestion: Make an option on the crewmembers to command: Previous.
Should make it feel a bit easier to manage the crew 🙂

[wooden brook]

i already got both dragon cannon barrels; is it true that fremmy salvage is better xp/h than merchant?

[chrome lantern]

Do you not want more of them?

Saw you have GIM tag

[wooden brook]

unfortunately im the only one in my group lmao

[ember token]

fremmy salvage wasnt much better than mercenary salvage but merchant salvage is definitely better than fremmy salvage in my experience

[round lintel]

I just noticed in wiki says dragon cannon is 1/18k???

[nocturne solstice]

neat

[round lintel]

idk what they were thinking about with these drop rates

the drop rates, the money sink, idk i dont think they had time to think these thru

[dire mango]

it's from salvaging. it's not a mob that takes 40sec to kill.

[chrome lantern]

I think the rates vs ttk are ok but the amount of things that they put behind menial mobs instead of actually interesting content is a bit much

[round lintel]

like getting the metal parts?

Or getting the nails? xd

[chrome lantern]

Metal parts but also all the sea combat is pretty much the same thing because there aren't any mechanics yet

Just "Find a safespot or facetank, try to double-cannon"

[round lintel]

this?

[fluid terrace]

Anyone know if Jagex has any plans to reduce the amount of mats needed to make boat parts? cant really find a reason to spend 1k adamant to upgrade keels on multiple boats or 1k planks to upgrade mast, idk if im just the minority here or what but it seems like a lot esp when they give 5 boat slots,

[round lintel]

I mean i dont like the money sink they did with these materials, but nothing about the materials has been said

so to answer your question, I dont think they will change it

[chrome lantern]

Essentially, doesn't look like the same one I'm using though

[round lintel]

Nah is the one i made up myself to barrage and then facetank

cba setting things uo

up

then messing up moving around

[chrome lantern]

If you're in a good one you should rarely if ever need to rotate so you can just unman helm

[round lintel]

This one allows me to always freeze and put it 30% hp left when it moves

[nocturne solstice]

I plan on having 1 raft, 1 skiff, and 2 sloops eventually so thats 4 slots taken. The raft and skiff dont take that much resources imo.

[round lintel]

cuz im also salvaging on my iron

[nocturne solstice]

And the only incentive to upgrade a second sloop is convenience cause you're super rich.

[round lintel]

I have my barracuda boat and my salvaging boat

but dont plan to upgrade to any dragon items

[nocturne solstice]

I got the raft for charting, skiff for barracuda (minimum facilities) and a cannon/salvaging one.

[round lintel]

i need to make a third boat on my iron for sea trawling

[nocturne solstice]

Ill eventually make a boat for trawling

ye

Ill probably upgrade to dragon for the uhh ship parts but not facilities

Maybe the cannon

since thats the only one we can have crewmembers actually control for both'

[round lintel]

i wish the bottled storm was more accessible for my iron maybe the hooks

but no other dragon items I would grind for

[nocturne solstice]

isnt bottled storm just a cosmetic or am i misremembering

[round lintel]

unless i get lucky

[nocturne solstice]

Like, its just for PoH

oh im misremembering

understandable

[nocturne solstice]

I heard the hooks arent that good

[ember token]

yeah bottled storm is for the upgraded teleport focus

[nocturne solstice]

8% increase iirc?

they might buff it tho

[ember token]

thats why husky said yea

[round lintel]

The thing is that on iron the upgrade is more significant than on a main

[nocturne solstice]

damn i think i got it confused for jar of feathers

whys that?

[round lintel]

cuz that 8% means u dont have to go to 20M for a cannon if you go dry but instead 18M xp

xd

on my main i can say fuck this and just send barracudas to 99

specially if they are planning raids 4 to be on the waters

[chrome lantern]

Just got my first one, plus 44 kc on mobile

[round lintel]

Horrible

[ember token]

raids 4 is not going to be a sailing raid they said

though I hope it takes place on the Cursed Archipelago

[round lintel]

Me rn

spooned on frost dragons at least

[chrome lantern]

On rate at dragons

Already had dfs so that's neat but whatever

[round lintel]

also the camphor repair kit heals 40 and ironwood 45 thats a joke

[nocturne solstice]

that is pretty funny

[chrome lantern]

You do get 3 ironwood kits per dthough don't you

[chrome lantern]

Wait until you learn what rosewood heals

[round lintel]

50?

xddd

[chrome lantern]

Yep

[small anvil]

Dragon hook will decrease the time won't decrease the amount of salvage needed to hit rate

[round lintel]

with the current set up for salvaging aka crystal extractor yea

will change tho depending on the nerf

[true talon]

would be badass if it was, imagine a boss fight in which you board your boat and fight it. like how wow had bosses youd fight from dragons or boats.

[chrome lantern]

I still honestly think the changes to the extractor they already made were kinda enough

Where you can't use it at docks/moorings

The biggest "issue" was that you could bankstand at bank boat and use extractor

[minor whale]

I've definitely encountered people auto clicking extractor

They'll be 10 tiles outside of a dock just not moving and gathering crystal every 60 seconds

[chrome lantern]

Sure, ban the macroers then

[small anvil]

I hate that you can't even turn it on in port

Cuz you gotta turn it on when you log in

So if you start on land then you gotta get on, drive, stop driving to turn it on, drive more

[ember token]

still dunno why they didnt just make it so it only charges when actively moving

[small anvil]

Probably actually annoying to check

And it would nerf it with salvage

Which they probably didn't want to do immediately

[ember token]

presumably it would be a pretty similar check to how they check if to spawn ocean events

[small anvil]

It's not busted with salvaging

[tacit wharf]

what

it basically doubles the amount of xp u get while afking

[small anvil]

No it doesn't

[chrome lantern]

If you're afking you're not clicking it every minute on the minute

[small anvil]

You get like 90k on salvage alone if paying attention

And you need to pay attention to use the extractor

[narrow folio]

If they nerf the xp, they'll have to give the equivalent xp to salvage

[small anvil]

Like it's a big qol on rates but describing it as afk is silly

[tacit wharf]

pretty consistent 80k while watching a show and not paying much attention to it

[narrow folio]

But then it would be a buff to those who don't bother working to get it

[tacit wharf]

while afking 2 crew doing salvage

[chrome lantern]

I just feel like there's no way Jagex could've not known it gave xp and it's just built into the expected rates ngl

It's not like you're getting "free cheating xp" it's just part of the expectation

[narrow folio]

Agreed

[ember token]

if youve ever touched a crystal extractor you basically cheated and your whole account should be wiped i think

back to tutorial island

[tacit wharf]

id just make it charge twice as fast, but only give you half the xp it does now

make you click more/hr

[narrow folio]

thats a buff to speed boosting rates too

[tacit wharf]

?

[tacit wharf]

its the exact same xp

[round lintel]

@chrome lantern

[tacit wharf]

but makes u click twice as much

[chrome lantern]

Nice I want more keel parts and sheets

[narrow folio]

like for trials

you get the mote twice as often

[tacit wharf]

ahh

[chrome lantern]

Yeah, you know, the function of the facility xd

[tacit wharf]

wouldnt be apposed to that

pretty much upkeep them 100% at prif course anyways

[narrow folio]

also id shorten the harvest time

[tacit wharf]

naw

could be the draw back then for using all the time at trials

[narrow folio]

or make it so you can harvest while changing direction

[tacit wharf]

nope gotta be smart with when u use it

[round lintel]

i mean it isnt really 36k xp an hr because it charges and then u can hit it thus is 1:03-1:05 thats around 55-56 times u can use it per hr

but also the factor that u must be there to hit it

i dont have a problem on the way it works

but if they nerf it well then hope the xp rebalance goes to cargo

cuz that part sucks

besides it gets interrupted with everything

like u cant move your ship while doing it

you cant be in combat eithert

[round lintel]

MF one of the drinks took 70% of misc favour from me

just found out rn

whoever thought the troll drinks were funny

hopefully his bday cake gets delay a week

[tacit wharf]

[ember token]

the drink takes away like 20-25% favour

[tacit wharf]

also thought it was only 20%

ya

wait till you take off yr helmet slot and look at yr hair

[round lintel]

ah yeah been rocking the afro for 2 days

but rn i came to my misc to claim

and just found out im at 26% when i was 100% a week ago

I finished charting 2 days ago

[ember grove]

That one made me laugh a lot

I actually laughed at the one that banked everything too

[round lintel]

I did several drinks on release

yeah i got banked

i got sent to narnia

and on day 3 i died to the ones near priff

[winged mantle]

Thankfully I'm doing sailing after everyone's experienced these 😂

Looks up drink.... I aint drinking that

[round lintel]

i just stacked like 3-4 and went to any port and docked

I hated some that sent you to narnia ports

and docked you there

[winged mantle]

Also this is the best addition of sailing

[ember grove]

The worst were definitely the teleport ones

[round lintel]

worlds crashing?

[odd falcon]

Like a mofo

[round lintel]

I think im happy to be salvaging

[lone flare]

salvage nerd

[tame sparrow]

Anyone know if you can 2t the new logs? Camphor specifically, there are birds there

[bronze kernel]

The one where you get sent to 1v3 the pink trolls.

Good thing I had a TP on me

[humble heath]

Whats the point of a in game poll for questions everyone and their nan will know is gonna pass

[chrome lantern]

I wish they wouldn’t the rewards were pretty low-effort and we already have 6 crystal kits

Wildy PoH theme was already supposed to be available, shouldn’t need to be locked behind DMM

SotD kit doesn’t do enough

[meager flame]

ya just theme wise i think the rewards were alright but i can understand why people dont like the rug pull with the wildy poh theme

it was pretty lame for everyone to tell them they want that vote for it etc and then they're like but wait

we can drip feed this reward later

i halfway think we're gonna get the dt2 prayer book one day the same way

[ember grove]

nah it's too much change for the playerbase to ever embrace, for good or for ill

and unlike sailing they don't have a big release to draw in new plsayers to point to as reason to weather the inevitable controversy

[thick beacon]

I kinda felt like they released very awkward rewards to entice non pvpers to get into trying the new dmm

bowfa one esp just felt like a draw for irons especially

[hasty shard]

kitted crystal
some jmod is dying too much susge

[obsidian venture]

Tbf pking with the bowfa is the ideal max setup

The kit choice made sense

Tbh surprised they didn’t make kits for moons armor with the same logic. It became a more common set as well

[thick beacon]

ye thats fair just how I percieved it. even the changes they made from little bit I saw seemed to be catering to newer pvpers as well

which is good imo (dmm changes)

[haughty birch]

please Jagex, could you revert Portal nexus size to its former glory? pretty please???

[round lintel]

Did u see the image?

[quartz locust]

so just alched a large addy hull part and it only gave me 9375 gp where the wiki states it should be 30k

[small anvil]

Thank you for your sacrifice

[quartz locust]

i didn't want to carry them around so thought i'd get rid, thought i'd get at least 60k back from them both and instead god robbed

[short oar]

Jagex I do not approve of the Sailors' Amulet at least make it 1 law rune per teleport. It's simply too strong

[small anvil]

Wait, it's 1/10 of a law per tp? That's ludicrously low

[short oar]

I can kind of understand the intention if it was to encourage players who dont have a lot of gp to use the amulet but sailing is already pretty good gp at low levels

[idle rapids]

It also makes the sailing skillcape perk a meme

Like "oh wow I can teleport somewhere I've been able to since lvl 30"

In fact the sailing skillcape is worse because the amulet has 2 other TPs lol

[small anvil]

There's no reason sailing cape couldn't be summon boat and replace the sailor amulet

[austere mulch]

Amulet is convenient too bc you can wear it with cons cape and have the equivalent of crafting cape bank tele + poh tele with no inventory slots taken

Vs taking 2 capes

So even if you gave sailing cape same teles as the amulet, the necklace is still better lol

[small anvil]

It would buff it for max cape basically

But yeah crafting cape devalued

[cloud hamlet]

im sure this has already been flagged but the eternal brazier in skill page item requirements vs what you actually need is inaccurate
(says you need 10 cupronickel bars in the skill page but you need 6 runite bars and 6 cupronickel bars)

[tacit wharf]

ya posted a few times with others in #1435267698979242145

[chrome lantern]

I think it's crazy that the Sailing cape doesn't at least have Teleport to boat even if it still requires the focus to be built

[blissful topaz]

No she wasnt? literally about the potential updates about new players

Will this feature be avaible for every account?

[ember token]

why would it not be?

every account can already do it with menu entry swapper anyways

[chrome lantern]

No it's talking about on the ground

But yeah no reason it wouldn't be available on every account

[blissful topaz]

yea this is what i mean

[chrome lantern]

Like how the [[Giant bones]] work

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Giant_bones

[austere mulch]

Give sailing cape +10 max hit to cannons so sailing combat doesn’t feel so cheeks

It still would, but it’d at least feel better

[zinc galleon]

BIS ship weapon about to hit sub 10m 😆

[chrome lantern]

Crazy that dragon cannon barrel is simultaneously extremely rare but also we have just absurd quantities of people salvaging

Similarly, if you consider how many Draconic visages have come into the game at Frost dragons

[zinc galleon]

yeah it's kind of a funny situation, where the most popular activity ended up with the rarest and least desirable dragon drop

so it got a double whammy

[obsidian venture]

Surely they buff it this update

[zinc galleon]

I wonder if the buff will increase the price or it won't matter becaause there are so many salvagers/cannons in the game

speculation of th week

[ember token]

i think it's doomed no matter how much they buff it because it's from the highest level afk spot

they're just gonna keep coming into the game passively from people wanting to afk

[zinc galleon]

you're probably right, and there are not enough rewards or depth to sea combat yet

[ember token]

swap around salvor's paint and the dragon cannon perhaps, could save it

[chrome lantern]

I think what he means is like what we see with ToA, look at the fang price before they added it to sinks and manually propped it up

Quantity coming into the game just massively dominating demand over time

But ye interesting balance between making it have a high req, and be sufficiently rare, but not just completely make it not exist if you want to grind one out

[austere mulch]

They’d have to do something big like move a lot of the resources to sailing monsters (nails, sheets, etc) in higher quantities, buff combat xp / bounty task xp, and buff cannons as a whole lol. Including reducing cost of ammo (probably through giving more cannonballs per resource used to make them)

[chrome lantern]

Some combination of more cballs made at once, faster restock in Port Roberts, ammo saving, and higher damage

I would personally like all of the above

Like if arrows are 15 per bar and you save 80% of them I see no reason for cballs to be so limiting

[austere mulch]

I think more dramatic scaling across cannons would be nice too

So that dragon cannons are worth building outside of dragon cannonballs that aren’t worth using

[chrome lantern]

Oh I just had an interesting thought tbh

Tier of cannon = higher chance to save a ball

Start bronze at 20% or 30% and every tier adds 10% chance to save a cannonball up to dragon at 80% or 90%

[tacit wharf]

maybe 5% increases, capping out at 80%

but i do find that idea interesting

[chrome lantern]

Could also make sense but I was just thinking that trash tier cannonballs aren't really a loss to lose out on

And you can only fire balls that scale with cannon level

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1445139874691809280
Put your feedback here

[zinc galleon]

I built dragon cannons based on the accuracy and strength (far right numbers respectively), and have used mith - rune with them mostly.

[austere mulch]

For basically all the cannonballs, the max hits are usually the same for rune vs dragon at either 99 or 112 range, or both

I think it should always be higher with dragon vs rune cannon

[round lintel]

Did you guys noticed that the keg of horizons lure supposed to give 2.5% more xp doesnt work on extractor, doesnt work on barracudas

god knows if it doesnt work on cargos/bountys

[small anvil]

Been known forever

[elfin stone]

Grimy herbs not automatically being placed in herb sack when salvaging? Bug or as intended?

[tacit wharf]

same with gems/herbs/seeds

so id guess, as intended

[chrome lantern]

Harvesting Sailing kills doesn't put anything in the sacks either, for runes, herbs, etc.

[oblique mesa]

same with bonecrusher not crushing bones of any mobs you kill at sea 😭

[austere mulch]

give cannons min hit starting with mithril that scales starting from their max cannonball

eg.

Mith/Addy cannons min hit of 1
Rune cannon min hit of 3 with rune, 2 with addy, 1 with mith
Dragon cannon min hit of 5 with dragon, 4 with rune, 3 with addy, 2 with mith, 1 with steel

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[wooden brook]

if i leave my ship in the middle of the ocean and tp away... can I revisit it with another boat? or is my only option to tp it to a dock

[austere mulch]

the latter

[wooden brook]

boo

ty

[ashen flame]

Does anyone know if they've confirmed more trim colors?

Purple trim not being a thing is ludicrous!!!

[chrome lantern]

Specifically you can’t teleport it either, you have to pay to recover it

[heavy ledge]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1443691474700079274 y’all know you want it

[meager flame]

its kinda hard to get my sample size large enough but i might have noticed something about salvage lol

does anyone have like a confirmed drop somehow where they know they got something off of the preroll tables

when your crewmates salvaged it

reason im asking is bc im either getting unusually unlucky and actually never seeing that happen and getting all of my drops from salvage i salvaged

or their salvage cant roll that table

[small anvil]

Are you jumping straight from salvaging to cleaning or something?

I dunno into the cargo hold and it gets intermingled

[chrome lantern]

I haven't salvaged like any of my loot myself and I have 3 barrels

[small anvil]

Like maybe you'll notice from pure afkers

[chrome lantern]

I almost never get on the hook myself

[meager flame]

okay this is good unless absurdly lucky because i noticed that every time i was like

hard afk

i never got anything

[chrome lantern]

Don't get me wrong I am absurdly lucky

[tacit wharf]

ya ive seen a ton of sapphire/emerald/rubies while not salvaging myself

[meager flame]

so then i started trying to see if i could get like nails or whatever by intentionally afking

[chrome lantern]

But I'm pretty sure it's the same salvage

[meager flame]

then i started with a second account lol

and i haven't been able to hit a roll on any of those tables when im not using the hook

but maybe its just an insane streak

[chrome lantern]

I think people cope way too much about "tables" and "pre-roll" tbh

There's only like 2 places in the game where it actually matters

Otherwise even if it's coded as a "table" you can still assess what the effective drop rate of each item is independently

[meager flame]

ya i was mostly just trying to figure out if like

basically if crew salvage just couldn't roll it to begin with

[tacit wharf]

only thing that might not roll would be pet, if crew salvages

but we should know wed

[meager flame]

ya the pet is what made me start thinking about it in the first place

it would also explain the insane 1 in 18k number for the barrel

because they'd be basically collecting tons of data from rolls that couldn't get it to begin with

[ember token]

you can also look in the game cache and see there's only 1 version of salvage

you dont get a separate identical looking item when a crewmate salvages it

[round lintel]

seen a bunch of people spoon pet

Im 87 on iron and 88 on my main cant say im dry for it

but i wish i was one of the spooned

[warm storm]

this is what i was thinking of

they stack so surely same item

[meager flame]

ya i know but im not sure if they're able to do something like

predetermine what loot you got when you get the drop

before you clean it

i actually kind of think they probably can't do that easily because they usually talk like they will

then updates come out and things like old stacked caskets work for new drops

[warm storm]

they could store the data on the player instead of the item

like binding necklace or recoil

[meager flame]

i kinda wonder if they're allowed to do that often

obv we don't work there so we have no idea exactly what is going on

but they always act like storing data on the player is a big deal when they talk about it

lol they always sound like they have a very tight budget basically

but regardless idk how many situations they've even tried to do something like that where you know there is a drop but they're hiding what it is from you

i guess unsired is the best example

[ember token]

on the topic of crewmate salvage, this was just posted in the wiki discord

[heavy ledge]

That’s some solid data

Yeah they just updated wiki 10 mins ago to include crew salvage

[chrome lantern]

Data I had a question earlier but I forgot what it was can you answer it

You would have no way to know what the question was

Thanks

Ok I remembered what my question was and the wiki has actually been updated to reflect the answer already

[heavy ledge]

Was it about getting soup from salvage cleaning? I remember someone asking that last night

And the wiki has since been updated to include that, I just noticed

[chrome lantern]

No my question was about [[Lost ironwood crate]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Lost_ironwood_crate

[chrome lantern]

Earlier today it had 1/8 for the drop rates but 7 listed drops

[ember token]

the crate is just really rare so we don't have a lot of data on it

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I had never heard of it

[ember token]

all the other crates have 8 different drops

[chrome lantern]

Saw it when linking through the dragon metal sheet page

[ember token]

so I'm not sure if 1/7 is correct here

[small anvil]

I think I grabbed a camphor crate and got a camphor plank but I forget

[chrome lantern]

I've never even seen a crate above teak

I now understand why it was 1/8 though

[small anvil]

I turned around cuz I was like huh I didn't know this crate tier existed

[heavy ledge]

Oh yeah I’d never heard of that crate either, interesting question

[ember token]

highest tier ive seen is mahogany

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the answer is pretty much "We have no data but there's something in these categories for every type of crate"

I do find it silly it's not a full potion for these

Hueycoatl hide from ironwood crate would be crazy

[heavy ledge]

I was about to suggest that haha

[chrome lantern]

Dsword is there and that's a unique though

[hard axle]

Why the fuck

Did they not

Post the damn whole screenshot

I’m gonna scrongle them

I need to see the xp drop and the actual screenshot from pets folder if they’re using Runelite

[heavy ledge]

Right? Could they have gotten a different pet coincidentally at the same time?

[hard axle]

If they’re on the hook, that kills the evidence

just fyi

[heavy ledge]

And trolled?

[small anvil]

You can be on hook then order the minion

[chrome lantern]

True could be same tick

[small anvil]

So yeah rat is technically correct

Or be cleaning and same thing

[hard axle]

Or you could be cleaning and then get xp from workers

yeah

That’s a good sign nonetheless

[chrome lantern]

Also entirely possible they have some sort of chat filter, even if unlikely

[heavy ledge]

Lol what if they actually got bloodhound

[small anvil]

Did you look over borgis screenshot rat

He thinks he got it from sail trim but the screenshot was crate XP I think

Idk the timing of the screenshot

[austere mulch]

ngl i stopped looting crates bc thought it was a waste of time since i only ever got junk

and ignored an ironwood crate not thinking anything of it

[small anvil]

Wait dragon sword lol

How far the cox drop has fallen

[chrome lantern]

You mean the wyrm drop :)

(Yes I know it used to be a purple)

[small anvil]

Wiki says: The crates appear to spawn based on the player's Sailing level

[meager flame]

god help anyone trying to spawn those

lmao i sailed around for hours to get my main places for charting at level 99 and saw like

2 mahogany crates iirc

[round lintel]

yeah mahogany has been the best for me

and all junk

so u can get some gp with the ironwood

wonder if there is a rosewood nobody has gotten

[torpid delta]

nah, or people would have found it in the cache at least, like how we know deadly rapids are a thing in there despite not appearing in-game yet

[small anvil]

103 min level to appear

🙃

[round lintel]

Deadly rapids huh

I wonder there was no access to Varlamore

no sense on blocking this area

[ember grove]

It's probably because of Tempestus, which is in theory going to come out at some point but in practice will probably sit there untouched for 5 years

[tacit wharf]

well no, u still got the forgotten ocean to the nw

that didnt come out yet either

[round lintel]

can u give me a tldr of what tempestus is?

never heard about it

[ember token]

it's a venice like city, canals and stuff

[tacit wharf]

last part of valamore

[ember token]

has the college of bards on it of which you can find various NPCs across the world who are part of the college

[round lintel]

Gotta be honest, merchant shipwrecks are my least favorite

[tacit wharf]

?

mercenary?

[round lintel]

I like Frem

Pirates too

Am i doing something wrong but for some reason ive seen people not tick salvaging getting 130k xp on merchants

im getting almost 100k

[tacit wharf]

i mean not tick anything, with 2 crew on hooks, im getting 80

[round lintel]

Im salvaging myself until i get 185 in the cargo and full invo

then i put them both to salvage while i clean them

[tacit wharf]

i mean are they dropping their salvage and yr not

sounds like it could be the 30k difference

[round lintel]

possibly

[small anvil]

Dropping is not better

[tacit wharf]

at yr pace, id just salvage on 1, have a crew on the other and then put the 2nd crew on the hook when yr cargo is full

[small anvil]

What lvl are you taco

Might just be success rate rn

[round lintel]

89 almost 90

[small anvil]

Also being on the good worlds matters

[round lintel]

so it could be

[small anvil]

As well as clean during ship downtime

[round lintel]

im manually moving

since merchant doesnt have double spots

[small anvil]

Merch does

Mercenary doesn't

[round lintel]

where?

[small anvil]

Far south

Of deepfin point

And then slightly nw of that salvage icon

[ember grove]

merchant has double spots at all 3 locations, but everyone goes to the south area

[chrome lantern]

WT area definitely does not have double

Unless it was just not next to the other 3 but I started out sailing between those and did not notice

[round lintel]

Is this some kind of bug?

[ember grove]

I'm like 70% sure the south 2 ships can be gotten at once, but admittedly I may be mixing it up with fremmy in my head because I did both in the same sitting

before remembering the merchant wrecks down south and abandoning the area lol

[tacit wharf]

in the southern expanse for merchant?

or the weird one over by aldiran

[round lintel]

Ace, do u know why i got that message?

[round lintel]

.

[ember token]

yes that is a bug, should be fixed this week

[tacit wharf]

happens sometimes when yr on yr last pieces of opulent salvage

[round lintel]

yea

[ember token]

it's caused when you get an empty roll on the gem drop table

1/165 chance to get nothing

[tacit wharf]

ive also had it not fill myinvo when removing from the cargo, but instead giving me like 15/20

[ember token]

theoretically you can wear a ring of wealth and prevent it from happening

[violet shore]

Where do I report a bug 🤔

[nocturne solstice]

in game

You right click the red report button and select "report game bug"

on runelite the red report button is probably a timer instead

[violet shore]

is there one on discord?

[nocturne solstice]

There are channels for #1334483887451013120 and #1435267698979242145 but not for any others

[sacred skiff]

It's very cool how the Salvor's Paint comes only from the third-highest wreck, and not from the higher ones.

[meager flame]

tbh i think what sailing really sucks at the most is giving people real options

pretty much everything you want to go get has one method thats just either the only way possible or its so much better than the alternatives that its the only way

like for example frost dragons are the only real way to go about getting dragon nails

you might point out that salvage drops some

but then you'd have to admit that you almost make it to like 200m exp to get enough nails for one boat

so its not actually a real option

and by boat i mean hull

[shadow mountain]

I'd like to make a suggestion for an update where you can get a permanent buff from unlocking things like the lumberjack outfit, mining outfit, angler outfit, farming outfit, thieving outfit, etc... so people can wear fashionscape without being penalized when skilling to add more personality especially for the gathering afk skills. Not sure if I'm the only one.

[small anvil]

There's a forestry clothes pouch

So you only need to wear the backpack

[shadow mountain]

thanks for suggesting, but I think the goal i'm looking for is to also not have to wear a backpack.

[thick beacon]

Feel like boat stuff is pretty skippable if u dont care about post 99 xp

lot of people on iron skip crystal tools for similar reasons

[meager flame]

i think this probably isn't going to be the same at all

maybe for specifically the salvage hooks but you can look forward to sailing bosses and so on

odds are that skipping this stuff is not a real option long term

assuming you'd like to keep playing the game anyways

and doing the sailing bosses/updates

would be different if these were like skilling tools and once you were done skilling you were mostly done

but instead its combat/movement etc and we can probably expect further upgrades and more dangerous rapids, water, npcs that hit harder and so on

[thick beacon]

ye thats true I didint think about that

im very hesitant in general about jagex catering to actual ship combat. I kinda envisioned alot of new bosses to just be tied to islands like the gryphon boss

where you use normal pvm but it really depends what they do with encounters

[small anvil]

They will definitely release better methods as those requirements become stricter

[thick beacon]

one idea I feel like that is decently fair as well imo is to buff ironwood hulls to mean something

[hard axle]

Dragon Hooks not being substantially better is a travesty.

[hasty shard]

bronze hooks felt like what later hooks should be

its kind of just too afk currently lol

like people complain about no double spots but jfc mercenary is pretty good afk in comparison to other skills

its around the same as barb fishing imo

[small anvil]

People will obviously compare to other salvaging though

[meager flame]

tbh i think salvage should probably never be buffed again lol

like ever in the history of the game

its cool i think to have those super afk activities for people to do when they're not really playing but like

you probably shouldn't put huge uniques on those tables and have 5 worlds maxed out with everyone doing their best to not actually play the game

its kinda time passing simulator and less video game atm

[thick beacon]

I feel like you probably are right about the afk I totaly think its fair as well to add cannon to some of the sea creatures u fight as well

I do think it is kinda wierd you do ship combat for salvaging upgrade and salvaging for ship combat upgrade but that kinda incentivises ppl to try the other methods to ig

personally though I feel like they designed sailing to be extremely easy xp rates wise and whatnot I hope they dont change salvaging and maybe after crystal extractor nerf it will be fair

[meager flame]

tbh i think if i were them

i'd probably spread the rewards out that they already do have more and add some more drops of like cannonballs etc

so you could actually get things from doing port tasks too or salvage or kill things and you'd actually be working towards building stuff up

[small anvil]

They definitely had an eye on maxers when they designed sailing

Salvage is modern afk rates and afk

The XP scaling curve did a bit to disguise it

But I'm about to finish afking to 99 in 2 weeks

[meager flame]

the reward structure in general i think is just a bit wonky like

they want you to hyperfixate on a couple of things

[small anvil]

They like tried to extend the early game

[meager flame]

well three things in particular

basically

[small anvil]

Then they made the end faster

[meager flame]

they want your afk salvage to give you cannonbarrels and also quite amazing exp for the effort level

frost dragons for sheets and nails nothing else is even close

and trials for straight exp

and they kinda need to just spread things out and add stuff where it makes sense like

theres pretty much no functional reason to do a port task

[small anvil]

I'm expecting trawling or port to be the best pet rate

[meager flame]

i think even if it is best for pet it needs more

its kind of weird to go in and not get like

idk cannonballs or planks or nails etc

sailing themed loot basically

[small anvil]

Straight gp does seem kinda lazy

[fossil mural]

Yea I was really expecting port task to be nails, planks and cannonballs.

[round lintel]

They have been quiet these 2 days

Wish they mention more of what future plans and concerns are going to be addressed specially cuz they are about to go on holidays

[tacit wharf]

didnt they last week

on what they were planning this week

[round lintel]

Most of the things mentioned are like "We will be monitoring and evaluating"

[proven notch]

I think I saw mentions of frost dragon overcrowding, crystal extractor, and dragon barrel droprate

not confirmed

[fresh forge]

Sailing should give 12 levels to combat lvl like summoning did /s

[sacred skiff]

Their initially-stated idea for frost dragon overcrowding though was a task-only area lol

Excuse me while I skip for enough tasks to kill 10k frost dragons

1. more dragons, and
2. dragons have ranged fire
   Are the fixes they’re looking for.

[chrome lantern]

I'm planning to kill closer to 16k T.T

[meager flame]

yeah the task only area was i think reflexive almost

that won't actually solve the problem however if they were to announce improved rates for being on task

that would get everyone to go get frost dragon tasks

i high key think that would be a mistake though

because the weight is low enough that people would likely get really mad at skipping for task

maybe if they increased the weight a lot at the same time it could be cool though

[chrome lantern]

I really don't want that either though I don't want the task list to be diluted even more, I already didn't really even want them to be on the list without having an free unlock toggle (why are we still requiring slayer points for these, and why are more trash mobs not toggleable like kalphites and trolls)

[tacit wharf]

elite fremmy dairy area

[meager flame]

i dont really know what the correct solve for them is when it comes to this

[chrome lantern]

I do!

Stop making things tied to Slayer tasks

Slayer sucks and is already bloated

[meager flame]

like i think they should just be an unlock probably if people want to do them as a task but

they also can't really just never add tasks to the list by default like some great dividing line between the year 20xx and beyond

[chrome lantern]

The real answer though is just get rid of the garbage trash tasks that shouldn't be on slayer masters to begin with

Why tf is Duradel assigning kalphites and trolls

[meager flame]

i vaguely had this idea one time that instead of just having block lists and standard weights

[chrome lantern]

There are many things wrong with slayer but all of them boil down to the task system being the only way to engage with slayer, task lists sucking, and methods of getting tasks you want sucking

[meager flame]

that you could spend points to change weights

[chrome lantern]

It's been proposed many times that way, people have referred to "preferred tasks" which I think was an RS3 thing?

Either way it doesn't actually change or fix the underlying issues

[meager flame]

ya i have no idea about rs3 but it sounds fun

[chrome lantern]

Just makes things that suck less severe

[meager flame]

especially if you could spend on the same task multiple times

to like max the weight out or whatever

and maybe spend points to drop the weight on other tasks

there would have to be a cap on just how much you could change things compared to the default state

but it would let people customize for what they actually want a lot better

the really unfortunate thing about a change that large though is that its one of those things ehp twitter would go insane over

even if it would probably be for the best

[chrome lantern]

I just really hate slayer as it is

Such a limiting skill

"Skill"

[kind surge]

yeah rs3 has both a block list and a prefer list, they don't take up each others' slots

rs3 also gives you the choice between two random tasks when getting a new one

[thorn gate]

update in morning and we havent heard a peep from jagex on how they want to approach rebalancing exp rates ??

[chrome lantern]

I think they have all the player feedback they could possibly want I don't see why they'd need to put anything out beforehand

[thorn gate]

i couldnt be concinved they do since they havent said a peep since before thanksgiving

won't be shocked if they do something silly tomorrow the playerbase hates

[chrome lantern]

That will be true no matter what they do

People will get pissed if they make changes and pissed if they don't and pissed if they do but don't go "far enough"

[thorn gate]

they should have updated blog post monday to say heres our thoughts let us know what you think

[chrome lantern]

And feedback is largely just from the people most upset rather than reflective of overall community sentiment

[tacit wharf]

they already told us last week what they were looking at/looking to change, they dont need to update us again yesterday

[meager flame]

i mean tbf

its almost never a good thing when jagex is quiet

part of the reason they're so successful is that they actually put their reasoning out there in public and people rip it to pieces if they can

so if they're not talking they're not getting the feedback loop that makes them good at what they do

[chrome lantern]

Complete side note but it's kinda troll that Gryphons are even a task-only or slayer boss

And kinda troll that slayer bosses are task-only

[winged mantle]

i skipped 80 tasks in a row for a gryphon task

[chrome lantern]

Considering what the weapon is meant to do it's significantly harder to get than a zombie axe while having lower stats than zaxe and being worse than a zhasta for stab

[hasty shard]

i genuinely dont understand why its task only

[chrome lantern]

I think stats-wise it sits well but isn't reasonable to get when you'd use it

[hasty shard]

the entire quest is about you killing them for being a menace that kills the tortugans lol

[chrome lantern]

"Ehrm, it's a slayer boss, duh"

As I kinda said above I think the Slayer Task system is one of the most constraining things about the "skill" that makes it so awful. You don't need a hunter rumor to go catch chins, and but Slayer tasks are the only way to interact with the skill

[round lintel]

He they are trolling

[chrome lantern]

Kalphites literally assigned by the lowest tier slayer master and have no reqs

Imo anything with a slayer level less than 70 should be an optional unlock if on the list of the highest tier slayer master at all

And optional unlocks should be at a minimum freely toggleable if not free altogether

Slayer points are archaic

[round lintel]

I gotta be honest, one thing I thought they would change with last slayer rebalance but they didnt was, paying for an unlock and then if you remove it not having to pay again

like for example tzaars

[remote ruin]

The slayer helm recolors being dictated by rng but also being 1000 points is quite annoying

[round lintel]

early on is good for xp with jad tasks

but then in mid game you dont wanna send too many jads or zuks and i know is a free skip

but what if i just want to toggle it off?

then i have to pay points again

[round lintel]

true

very expensive that i rather get prayer xp

for example extending tasks should be a one time payment to toggle on and off

[hard axle]

Slayer helm recolors aren’t rng if you streak boost or do Wildy slayer

you have the means in 2025

[sacred skiff]

I think they meant the items, not the points required. Unless things like abyssal heads more common in wildy slayer?

[hard axle]

Ah

[hard axle]

Technically faster to kill cuz cannon

[round lintel]

We meant RNG due to the head drop, for example it took me 17k abby demons and 9 unsires to get the abby head

[hard axle]

yes yes

[round lintel]

oh no....

hahaha

this one is better

[short walrus]

they should make haemostatic dressing
cure burn. not j only bleed. (usable vardorvis rn. [zebak chomp?)
🩹 🩹 🩹 🩹
(would add usability on olm, esp cox scales, and akkha)

currently cannot be potion shared

[austere mulch]

Haemostatic potion is classic “create a solution now and a problem later” type of item

[chrome lantern]

Unfortunately yes

[true talon]

god that would be fucking goated, to cure the burn with me. but its not an actual burn 🙁

Worth bringing in over an extra brew

[round lintel]

I wonder how much of a nerf crystal extractor will have in a few hrs from now

what r u guys predictions?

[tacit wharf]

35-50%

[round lintel]

My prediction is instead of making it every minute it will be every 3 minutes

they have been making lazy fix for sailing

[tacit wharf]

and/or make so it only charges while moving

[round lintel]

so stricly for barracudas?

[tacit wharf]

currier / bountry tasks

[round lintel]

bountys you dont move all the time

[nocturne solstice]

I would just assume its an xp nerf tbh

[tacit wharf]

you still move to and from

u also move when shoals move while trawling

[round lintel]

I dont think they will give any extra xp to any barracuda's course

[sacred skiff]

They said they wanted to redistribute the xp from extractor. So I’m expecting a solid 20% nerf outright to salvaging xp lol

[ember token]

you forget that the point of the item is not in fact free xp but rather than it generates wind motes

[weary copper]

you reckon we can use the 1/3000 exp thingymabobs from salvaging for sailing after the update?

[torpid delta]

just found out that dragon nails are really funny when you try to build a chair with them. the build menu recognizes them and lets you select the chair, and it takes the planks, but it doesn't take the nails and also doesn't produce a chair (or an exp drop)

sharing this trivia with the world because i don't know how many madmen would try to throw dragon nails away on chairs

[ember token]

should report that as a bug

[chrome lantern]

They said they would consider it alongside player behavior and data as part of a larger xp review.

Wrong reply, meant ford

[round lintel]

Yeah Salvaging will not be fun anymore after the extractor nerf

[ember token]

lol

yeah the afk training method is gonna be so awful when it becomes only 90k xp an hour at the top end instead of 125k

[round lintel]

show me how u are getting 125k xp

cuz im not getting that

paying attention

let alone if I afk

[ember token]

I get 90k xp an hour and crystal extractor would be another 30k+ xp

[round lintel]

How are you afking getting 120k???

wow man show how u r getting this cuz I dont know anyone getting that

maybe u big brain it

Merchant shipwreck hitting extractor as soon as is available, 2 crewmates when im cleaning

And probably couple of mins here and there where i step away

[ember token]

my definition of afk here is being not focused on the game, so at the computer and just 1-2 clicks whenever idle notifier goes off or the watchdog alert i set up to play a sound when the shipwreck i'm at sinks and i stop salvaging

that's the rate I get without even using the crystal extractor

haven't even built one

[subtle merlin]

oof out of the charting in the tirannwn blight, you need the skiff for 1 of the weather things

tried my best with sloop...

[round lintel]

Afking and low effort are 2 different things

And again idk how u r getting that amount cuz thats the right problably with t man

[ember token]

idk i'm clicking like twice every couple minutes

[subtle merlin]

so glad im not interested in getting the crystal extractor... the blight is frustrating.

[ember token]

the point is getting up to 90k xp an hour from barely playing the game is already crazy, and the fact that you're getting that while playing even less cuz you've got the crystal extractor printing xp is even crazier

youd probably be getting like 70k xp an hour afk without the extractor, and that's while also getting free money, herbs, and the chance for 14m dragon cannon barrel drops, so its kinda crazy to say it'll be bad without the extractor

if they redistribute it back into salvaging you'll probably get like 80k+ anyways

[chrome lantern]

The highest I've gotten is like 80k idk

And that's with periodically using the extractor

[round lintel]

my guy im getting 90-100k playing the game, making sure my crewmates are doing something, hitting the extractor on point, my character doing something, putting in the cargo, moving my ship as soon as it despawn

[ember token]

jagex will probably overcompensate what should just be moving all the extractor xp into trawling and calling it good

why are you moving at merchant shipwrecks?

[round lintel]

idk how u r low efforing 120k

LMAI

LMAO

Low effort is if I could get the same amount of xp and send doom on my other acct

[ember token]

like i said i'm not, i'm getting 90k because no extractor, but tbh yeah +1 click per minute for activating the extractor to get an extra 30k+ xp an hour would start to get away from being low effort

if I did use a crystal extractor and only clicked it when i had to deposit salvage or reclick hook, i'm guessing it'd probably be like 105k at most

[subtle merlin]

how many boats do you have by 87 sailing?

[ember token]

you can have up to 4

you unlock the 5th slot at 91

[subtle merlin]

ty ty

so 3 boats with teleporters on them, got to choose wisely where they will forever be...

found wilson....

[round lintel]

I was hoping i got the cannon before the extractor nerf but im like close to 3m xp since i started

[ember token]

i ended up getting 2 cannons before getting the doll earlier

[chrome lantern]

I still don't have the doll and I have 3 barrels, got the third right when I got 91

[sacred oracle]

I got the doll in my first inventory

[round lintel]

i got the doll

no cannon

from 87 to almost 92

[sacred oracle]

I know the wiki rates are probably right on the dolls, but I've gotten so many of them I sometimes find myself almost wondering

I have so many dolls

[round lintel]

2 bottle storms?

in how many krakens?

[chrome lantern]

I haven't done a trial since 76

[chrome lantern]

+170 on mobile

Also got a paint

[ember token]

92 sailing here, greenlogged sea treasures, I also haven't done a trial since the low 70s

[chrome lantern]

Yeah to be clear I didn't do Gwenith Glide until 74 or 75 so I just did Marlin like 3 times then stopped

[round lintel]

I did frem from 80-86

Didnt get the unique from there

[chrome lantern]

I did fremmy 77-78 then charted to 80 then fremmy to 86 then merchant until now

I did use my extractor while killing krakens but not super actively

[round lintel]

funny enough i did get it on my iron

[chrome lantern]

I got 2 but the log only shows 1

[round lintel]

i got 2 on my iron none on my main

[tacit wharf]

stilling waiting for my locket/sextant/doll myself

[round lintel]

i also got the one from pirates

but none on my main

my main is kinda cursed on salvaging uniques

[chrome lantern]

As you can see I did not get from large or pirate

I did not do any mercenary

I'm kinda opposed to clogging so I'm almost hoping to not get doll

[chrome lantern]

I can read the lore on the wiki due to the diligent efforts of others

[round lintel]

My iron has the sextant, the coin, compass and block

[ember token]

meanwhile it was what got me rune clog rank

[round lintel]

ah the mirror too

[tender peak]

whenever I see someone's clog progress in a screenshot here it's always either <100 or >1000

there is no in between

[round lintel]

998 for me

😄

[tender peak]

you don't count. I'm evaporating you with my mind as we speak

[round lintel]

awwwn

Lol

too many caps for typing lol with to many Os

[pine acorn]

Does anyone know eta till update

[round lintel]

like 2 hrs

so, the outfit from barracuda's keys cannot be stored in poh?

[oblique mesa]

Sadly 🙁 come hit the hopium pipe with me that it will be storable soonTM

[craggy radish]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-xp-review--further-fixes?oldschool=1&_gl=1*5o14ap*_gcl_au*MjAxMTEzMjc2Ny4xNzY0NjM3MTkz*_ga*MTE2ODM2ODM4OC4xNzY0NjM3MTkz*_ga_DSN9YBF934*czE3NjQ3NTc5NTEkbzMkZzEkdDE3NjQ3NTg3MzgkajU5JGwwJGgxMTM2MjY0OTky

[quartz locust]

Surely today brings some hopeful changes to the cargo hold on UIM that makes engaging with more content actually possible and not just cargo no longer counting towards the cargo hold storage amount, which doesn't even make sense

[winter hearth]

correct!

[craggy radish]

tears of guthix gna be packed in 43 mins

[winter scroll]

i heard they are removing green helms from the game too

[craggy radish]

Cargo crates from Courier tasks no longer count towards the Cargo Hold storage cap for UIM players. Note that this is a temporary fix until we work with UIM players to settle on a better long-term solution for UIM gripes with Port Tasks.

[frozen lion]

Bad update

[pulsar oxide]

good job all the no lifers got 99 already so the rest of us can enjoy nerfed xp rates

big L

[surreal meadow]

When are jagex going to tackle late game sailing for irons? Its a crazy wall for dragon items. 21k salvages no dragom barrel. Thats almost 5 days

[hot cairn]

nuking salvaging that much is quite the choice

[frozen lion]

People at start of sailing got xp "refund" for xp rate changes, so I assume people will now get part of their xp reduced which they gained from crystal extractor up until now? Just to be fair to others.

[fervent isle]

lol so is this update just a complete sailing nerf or what? lmfao

[pulsar oxide]

~1/3rd exp now for crewmate salvage

[vagrant solstice]

yo this is garbage

actual huge L tbh, abuse early, abuse often, thanks jagex

[timber vale]

are they reducing xp for salvaging?

[hot cairn]

and they wonder why people do this

[surreal meadow]

Theyve had 3 years to develop this skill... did they take 2.5 years off?

[hot cairn]

brain dead

[analog hinge]

skill just got killed off

[fervent isle]

yeah I dont understand this update. There is 0 positives coming from this, only nerfs.

[timber vale]

yeah wtf

[hot cairn]

genuinely how do they take 3 years for this skill then nuke it that much in 2 weeks? like what are bros doing for 3 years not testing ANYTHING

lmao unreal

[frozen lion]

Let crystal extractor still work while on land, without xp rate changes, do that and update will be ok

[spiral isle]

maybe they making it higher exp?

[timber vale]

i dont think so

[fervent isle]

We'll be reducing the XP per harvest from 600 XP to 250 XP

[pulsar oxide]

nope, it's now 250xp

[burnt rain]

let all teh try hards get their 99s then punish the casuals, gotta love it lol

[fervent isle]

its looking like a 25% nerf across the entire skill lmao

[spiral isle]

i havent started sailing..this makes me feel unfair to people who started on first day and got exp from it

[pulsar oxide]

yeah straight up appease the no lifers who didnt want sailing and were upset about they're max capes, and now they got it back it's punishing the rest

[fervent isle]

giving forestry vibes now

[frozen lion]

so people at top will have higher advantage now, considering it will be harder to close the gap now

[timber vale]

im unsure how they have justified this as already people have got 99... will they be reducing xp gained? otherwise, seems really unfair.

[vagrant solstice]

So they flatout just lied saying they were gunna redistribute the xp from gutting the extractor to everywhere else

[fervent isle]

you surprised?

[vagrant solstice]

trials get nerfed, salvaging gets giga nerfed and port tasks (that most people do no like doing) got buffed

?????

[hot cairn]

knee jerk reaction to the afk xp gains lmao this is insane

[vagrant solstice]

sailing has had a good start and theyve just flatout killed what people liked doing

[quartz locust]

Are there any plans following on from this to work towards making combat more... Well, feasible, outside of using safespots for a lot of content, a big example being vampire krakens that you can just sit on top of and chip away without taking any damage, which is basically the only way to engage with it due to our lack of sustainability only being able to use such a limited amount of repair kits, at most taking 38 with an empty inventory and full hold, which, isn't being realistic, so actually engaging with combat is a little... Wonky right now, let along done the line if we have even more higher level monsters to try to fight / work around ways to safe spot instead of actually engaging with 😅

[glad narwhal]

Glad I got a lot of use from the extractor before the changes 😅

[vagrant solstice]

so jealous, i got 73 yesterday

[winter hearth]

it's not kneejerk, it's made up using a huge amount of player data too. The team felt that salvaging sat far too close to tasks/trials for how comparatively low effort it is, meaning a huge huge huge majority of XP for the skill across all players is coming from play patterns which don't involve all that much Sailing and mostly just chilling for 10-30 minutes at a time, which we don't believe is healthy long-term for the skill

[craggy radish]

cya never

[hot cairn]

then what did you guys for 3 years ? not test XP rates at all?

[vagrant solstice]

if it doesnt involve much sailing maybe it shouldnt be considered an activity for sailing?

[craggy radish]

should be buffing the high effort things

not nerfing the low end

[frozen lion]

1 in 240 - Tempor Tantrum
1 in 220 - Jubbly Jive
1 in 400 - Gwenith Glide

why gwenith paint rates are so lower than jive/tempor? longer/higher lvl and lower rates? what

[hot cairn]

this. i’m okay with afk nuke but high effort stuff getting nerfed too is stupid

[winter hearth]

Buffing 225k+ XP/hr methods 2 weeks after release also doesn't feel like a st rong longevity-minded approach to balancing either though

[real cosmos]

lmfao this update sucks

[hot cairn]

so nuking everything = balance ? pls

[craggy radish]

consider the player pov tho, ur nerfing from this point til forever, not the first 2 weeks

[fervent isle]

or just leave it alone?

[vagrant solstice]

But nerfing the hell out of an afk activity that was below half the xp rate of high intensity after 2 weeks was smart?

this is insanely inconsistent

[frozen lion]

top people already got 99s so now can nerf for people who didn't no life the skill for first 2 weeks

[pulsar oxide]

people liked this skill because of the xp rates...........

[frozen lion]

how classic Jagex

[rough frigate]

changes that are healthy for the game are rarely popular, like we joke that the skill is easy or fast but the optics of this newspost are not great, though there was probably not way to sugarcoat it either

i don't necessarily mind changes for the sake of balancing the skill internally, but trying to make the skill consistent with other skills is not good, it only needs to be self-consistent, the mention of redwoods as a point of comparison was not what i wanted to see

[craggy radish]

couldve given 10% bonus xp for completing the trial within the time

[lime stirrup]

Nah its cool i just wont train the skill til they revert some changes. Nbd. Dead content. Got it

[vagrant solstice]

the xp rates were good, people were happy with the rates, they just didnt like clicking an extractor every minute

[winter hearth]

It's not "til forever" the team are open to further changes, but Salvaging having as big a slice of the pie as it did meant loads of players are second-screening the entire skill without ever meaningfully engaging in any of the other methods because Salvaging's value proposition is super high

[hot cairn]

another valid point. you can’t have skills where you can get 700-800k an hour then talk about balance with redwoods. lmao

[dusty nebula]

yawn..why change an actual good method..

[craggy radish]

mostly because the dragon cannon is 1/18k?

[fervent isle]

this

[spiral isle]

from 600 to 250 is too much cant it be something like 450? I started back when sailing came out first day but didnt touch it yet trying to polish my other skill while chilling and taking sailing slowly after. With this update i dont even feel like going out to sea already knowing that other people had it easier.

[craggy radish]

thats also ridiculous, u are incentivising that because of that

[glad narwhal]

Gz 🤘

[winged mantle]

maybe the fact there is an option to afk is healthy and waht the playerbase wants to do. why punish players for doing something that's more enjoyable

[craggy radish]

this game is half afk half effort

ppl like to focus some of the time, afk some of the time

[winged mantle]

it pretty much says - "we want players to only do jubly course till 73 for gwenith"

[vagrant solstice]

how dare players engage with a skill how they want to, NERF. This is very blizzard of Jagex lol

[pulsar oxide]

salvaging this salvaging that, the extractor change means the high intensity training method is 20k per hour less lmao

[round lintel]

Not everyone is doing this, the activity is low effort but not afk at all I think you dont even understand how salvaging really works

[hot cairn]

nothing should have been changed until talking to the community about said changes? absolutely rug pulling XP as much as this with not even talking about it was objectively dumb

[winter hearth]

Port Task buff is intended to specifically smooth out these points in progression

[craggy radish]

also each salving method has a "rare" clog attached