game-update

[tacit wharf]

wait till people find out that u can attack 3 different monsters at the same time

[half forge]

I was really hoping we could use our plank sack for making ship upgrades this week.. would help out uims SO much! I'm sad they didn't mention being able to use logs out of your log/forestry basket though, I mean what is the point in being able to store logs in there if we can't use them!

[true talon]

sailing seems awful for uim even just the ship building is troll as fuck

esp that uim who died due to a drink troll made him lose 3b in hespori lol

or the ones who got hit 93 by the sailing drink

charting should be changed to wiping uim

[chrome lantern]

Seen some research/investigation posts suggesting it does, in an indirect way, by raising the likelihood you do un-reduced damage when you attack

Not near normal damage though remotely

[true talon]

i noticed that when doing land bounties, sometimes i would hit max, but i figured it was a bug.

it was extremely rare to see

[chrome lantern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1p70gkz/how_damage_from_noncannon_sources_work_against/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Someone in my clan linked this

[remote ruin]

good to know

[small anvil]

thats neat

but also what a shit bonus

1/15 to deal 100% dmg is so low at 99

[chrome lantern]

Then you roll a 5 anyway

[small anvil]

i guess its actually works out to 20% more dmg on average vs 1 sailing?

(assuming no bypass on 1 sailing)

the difference between the 1/20 quoted at 70 and 1/15 at 99 to bypass is about ~7% dps diff

[meager flame]

that seems like

[weary copper]

anyone got a video of it happening to them? or anyone died to gwenith glade?

[meager flame]

boy idk thats a weird thing to do with the ship damage reduction thing lol

[chrome lantern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1p7cw3l/psa_there_appears_to_be_a_bug_in_the_gwenith/?share_id=mhOztUfCQa5P0aI3XhOyC

Someone in my clan shared this post

[meager flame]

yeah i was reading that a few mins ago

im kinda surprised because i was actually running into walls nonstop earlier playing another game and doing the trial at the same time

would've been an interesting death

[true talon]

I thought you only die after self infliction after you miss a crate you rolled over during the course.

[weary copper]

trials require some irl mental defence for sure

[meager flame]

nothing worse than missing one of those crates inches from the portal you're taking

and you just want to scream

lmao

[true talon]

yes missing a crate an being teleported is an instant reset even if your at the end

[weary copper]

looks like husky is taking a look at their account at least

[timber drift]

surely wasnt just crystals damage less

[true talon]

We need crystal extractor for all skills

[meager flame]

i honestly really do like the extractor

[tacit wharf]

i think the xp could be dropped on it a little

[meager flame]

i just like how it feels to interact with it while you salvage or do trials etc

[tacit wharf]

ya

[meager flame]

its just a little thing to pay attention to for increased exp

[ember token]

its so funny that people were saying sailing was gonna be slower than agility, and then it comes out being a super ezscape skill

[meager flame]

idk why they thought it would be slower than agility

they just flat out told us it would be kind of like

in the middle

[tacit wharf]

i do think the xp is a bit high

[meager flame]

it definitely has the kind of rates i want in a skill where its not something really insane

[small anvil]

idk who expected slower than agil

[meager flame]

but its also not slow

[small anvil]

thats a wild expectation

i expected 200k/hr

we ended up slightly below that

[meager flame]

ya that was basically my take too i was expecting like 150-250k

[small anvil]

but there's room for them to add a final course if they wannna

they left room to release more things later i feel

[ember token]

slightly above as you can get 225k xp an hour

[small anvil]

oh is it? i dont know glide xp rates tbh

[meager flame]

glide rates keep going up because we're getting better and

rosewood hulls are op

[small anvil]

oh i probably had a number from before rosewood hull in mind

[meager flame]

yeah most people were getting like 185

with 200k being closer to ideal

rosewood though is like a flat -1 minute from the timer though almost lol

[ember token]

i actually have no idea where they even go up from here, i know you were talking about something similar too turkey with like dragon cannons

[meager flame]

yeah i feel like they messed around and did the smithing play

[true talon]

Exp is fine, and the methods to train it are all pretty good

more skills should be like this tbh

[meager flame]

i kinda think they could buff some of the stuff that isn't trials and salvage

i feel like they're kinda getting binned by those two

[true talon]

there are so many ways to train it that offer alright exp rates for the intensity.

[small anvil]

i heard someone say that combat tasks were maybe the best way to lvl with alts boosting

[true talon]

bounty an charting should have their own board to let you choose and get more varity in stuff you hunt, sea creatures should prob not take 80% less damage from anything not a cannon while the cannon does no damage anyways

[meager flame]

honestly that sounds like the worst thing that could happen

imagine alts in boats trying to round up kraken or something

[small anvil]

i think it was just a ton of dps alts on the same boat

[true talon]

?

[small anvil]

with mage

[meager flame]

oh thats at least more reasonable for the guy playing but

idk that still sounds not good

[small anvil]

and main uses cannon that dpses

it might have been more complicated not sure

[meager flame]

i mean if you're gonna do that

have the alts ice barrage

park boat on top of the thing you're killing

it cant fight back

[small anvil]

i think time to kill was the important thing

not taking dmg

can it be hit by both cannons

[meager flame]

yeah you can get them stuck under you and still double cannon

[small anvil]

with 9 dps alts and 1 cannon i imagine you can kill faster than spawn times

[meager flame]

now im wondering what happens if someone figures out how to move all of them together and starts to aoe

and parks the boat on top etc

and you're just straight boosting through the packs of stuff in the ocean

lol

[small anvil]

things are really spread apart to try clumping for aoe

[meager flame]

tbh you can kinda pull off the ice barrage thing as a solo player

its just kinda not the greatest gameplay entering and exiting the ship

but yeah those guys that show up to the ge with 20 accounts that are all the same

they're gonna fly in with a fleet of ships and do something crazy

[true talon]

Their hit boxes are to big to barrage

it was hard enough to get ven bow to work on the birds

[tacit wharf]

just like to point out, u can kill 3 different monsters at the same time on yr boat

for those that dont know

[dawn jackal]

ye i think you can get around 180kph w/ 9 alt kraken

maybe more if it gets optimized a little

[small anvil]

maybe thats more sustainable for a 200m race than trying to glide constantly

glide gets harder when brain is mush

[dawn jackal]

idk i think 200k / hr is relatively cozy

doing trials

(haven't done it myself just what i've heard)

[steady bane]

Anyone's kingdom of misc drop like 20% today?

[chrome lantern]

There's a drink that does that

[steady bane]

drops kingdom 20%? lol makes since then i just finished off all my charting yesterday

[meager flame]

yup

[icy relic]

Rosewood hull fixes all sins in gwenith

[meager flame]

yeah just run into everything do 360s for missed crates

you probably make time anyways

[icy relic]

Literally faster to unset sail, turn, and resume than to make a big loop

The power of 3.0 base speed

[meager flame]

i honestly feel like that course isn't designed for the rosewood hull lol

which is really weird considering

[chrome lantern]

I don't really think it's weird considering it's a 72 sailing req

[icy relic]

I'm getting 5:20 and that's with changing my pathing to be lazy

[meager flame]

yeah but its like

[icy relic]

To not risk any hard turns

[meager flame]

they released them at the same time

they're both the end game

they had to know

[chrome lantern]

I would be more concerned with the implication that a future, higher-level trial would have even more xp/hr if they release another tbh

[icy relic]

You don't need to play for speed boosts with rosewood

That cuts out a lot of the turns

[meager flame]

ya you can do just about anything as long as you dont like

miss a crate next to the portal you just took

you're very comfortably making marlin time otherwise

[sacred skiff]

Can frost dragons be given ranged dragonfire like metals?

Have had multiple mages now tag every dragon when it spawns from the safespot once they see i'm an iron

They were bound to go downhill once more people had the level, but I didn't htink it'd be so quickly

[tacit wharf]

mage griefers seem to be a problem, getting off after 1/2, to tag another

[sacred skiff]

Ranged dragonfire would solve it, if basic decency won't

[novel egret]

@sacred skiff frost dragons will never be as active tbh. price will go down big time and ppl will go away

be mad at jagex for only putting 6 or so dragons instead of the players trying to maximize kills/h

also crashing irons is extremely fun to do

[tacit wharf]

that is a insanely messed up thing to say

[novel egret]

i love it

[tacit wharf]

and griefing for the sake of griefing is reportable

[novel egret]

maximizing kc/h isnt griefing brochacho

everyone is selfish in those caves

get your kills before others do

[chrome lantern]

I mean if you're arguing that you're optimizing kph then you wouldn't be crashing more than like once a session

If you're talking about actively killing things that other people have attacked to get more kills then yes you are griefing

[novel egret]

there's 3-5 ppl in every world competing for 6-7 dragons

everyone is "crashing" each other then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chrome lantern]

Even using your own logic it wouldn't make more sense for you to specifically enjoy crashing ironmen compared to anyone else

Saying "crashing irons is extremely fun to do" suggests you're going out of your way to grief irons

[novel egret]

ironmen react differently it's super entertaining

i dont go out of my way to do it

but if im crashing someone unintentionally, it's more fun if it's an iron

[chrome lantern]

I don't see how it could be unintentional

[novel egret]

like at frost dragons once im finished with mine i go kill the one next to someone else instead of waiting for a respawn for example

some ironman was malding at me for it

but it wasnt like purposefully to be annoying yk

[tacit wharf]

that isnt crashing, nor griefing

and both irons and mains be pissed when people are doing that right now

[novel egret]

why was he crashing out then lol

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I haven't really killed any but is the island singles or multi

[novel egret]

single i think?

[tacit wharf]

because when it happens repeatedly, its become annoying

[chrome lantern]

In that case I don't really think you can grief unless you tag stuff and then go attack other things tbh

[tacit wharf]

when something becomes annoying long enough, one tends to become "mad"

[novel egret]

well as i said yk theres not that many dragons so people compete over each other

it's so so crowded

[small anvil]

3 people each taking 2 is optimal with like no downtime

Occasionally you'll kill a bit too fast

And have both down

[novel egret]

people are animals with no coordination, and theres often more than 3 ppl per world

[small anvil]

If you take a 3rd then you cause everyone to have to move around

[tacit wharf]

its when people just hop into a world, where 3 others are, and then are to lazy to hop to another world that doesnt have 3 people but instead just start attacking

[small anvil]

So if people were nicely set up with 2 a piece then yeah people might get annoyed

Calling people a jerk for crashing worked for me

That and standing your ground so that it's not efficient for them too

(not iron viable)

[tacit wharf]

griefing is when u get a mage 1/2 kill or tags a frost dragon, and then switches to another, so then the iron next to them cant get a kill, and then repeats this over and over

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

That's what I was expecting when you said crashing tbh

[novel egret]

ohh i see i see

[small anvil]

Yeah crashing and grieving aren't the same

[chrome lantern]

Either attacking once so irons couldn't get loot or mostly-killing then switching

[novel egret]

frost dragons shouldnt be the only viable way to obtain dragon nails imo but maybe thts me

[tacit wharf]

i mean u got narwhals at double the rate and less of

but ya would be nice, for a 2nd good source

[novel egret]

viable*

[small anvil]

I'm sure they'll release things with better rates later

[novel egret]

xD

[chrome lantern]

I kinda doubt it unfortunately but maybe a boss that passively drops a few

While you grind other stuff

Any maybe indirectly if they make ship combat suck less

[small anvil]

Ya they'll release some medium sailing req boss

[chrome lantern]

Like you get on average ~1/130 for a dragon metal sheet or equivalent from vampire krakens

i.e. large keel is 4 sheets and keel part is 2

[small anvil]

32 sheets for sloop iirc

[sacred skiff]

Does the safespot still work for the krakens?

[chrome lantern]

Yes

[novel egret]

with 600 nails 💀

[chrome lantern]

They didn't change anything about combat or NPC collision

[sacred skiff]

I didn't think they'd change that, I thought they'd move that kraken or something lol

[chrome lantern]

64 for keel

[small anvil]

Ouch

[chrome lantern]

16 large parts, 2 reg parts per large part

[small anvil]

I thought it was 2x16

[chrome lantern]

2 sheets per part

[small anvil]

Oh

[chrome lantern]

But yeah just going for 1 bottled storm for example you should expect ~4 sheets worth of sheets or hull parts

And then if you're psychotic and go for 5...

That's the only sea creature that drops em though

So not wholly all that useful

Well, also armored kraken, but same concept

[sacred skiff]

If you could recall to your boat when it was "lost at sea" greater focus might be worth grinding

But there's probably some engine reason your boat is "lost" when you leave it

[chrome lantern]

I'm about 425 kc in

At vampire krakens

[sacred skiff]

dang

How many kills/hr

[chrome lantern]

I'm a bit zzz but definitely going to get at least 1

Uhhhhhhh not good

[sacred skiff]

Like 15?

[chrome lantern]

I'm defo not doing max eff

[sacred skiff]

ick

[small anvil]

What cannonballs? Rune?

[sacred skiff]

I don't have shadow either, so would be bowfaing

[chrome lantern]

I do not have enough rune for using those

I also don't have a saturated heart so I'm using tbow not shadow

[small anvil]

Land weap?

Ah

[chrome lantern]

I did the first 280 using safespot tbow

The other 150 were using freeze tech double rune cannon mith cballs

Plus tbow

Which is a lot faster

But still super slow

Been at least 10 hours for sure

Probably closer to like 15

But it also probably broke even on speed when I stopped safespot because I started doing bounties

Which meant I drove there and back

[round lintel]

so tbow hit hard?

[chrome lantern]

This was the calc I did, assuming everything is reduced by the same amount

Without rigor I still felt it was worth comparing the rune costs on shadow

I have 2/3 virtus 1/3 amc and no conflict gauntlets (dry) but otherwise max mage, for ranged I'm missing masori chaps (5x dry)

Eye is calcing comparable to shadow for my gear

(Elid (f) and same gear stated before)

[round lintel]

getting this swift albatross feathers are a pain

Nearly 3 hrs for 5

[novel egret]

is crystal extractor bugged for anyone else atm?

sry if it's been asked before lol!

gagek

wdym "investigating" 😔

[tacit wharf]

trying to figure out whats causing it

[novel egret]

how about reverting the code changes and investigating internally 🤔

[nocturne solstice]

If you've done coding you'd know it works based on magic. You could not touch the crystal extractor code at all and it could break

[indigo fiber]

too lazy to make a reddit acc where jagex can see if someone wants to pass it on
anchor could be fixed with a few simple things

• have it buildable where the salvaging hook is on skiff
• make it so you can turn twice as fast when its down
• have it in the side menu
• have it stop you faster than just unsetting sails
  this would make the anchor actually useful and fun to use in trials for when you need to make sharp turns or miss a box and need to turn around

[jagged marsh]

Not as easy as it sounds

[novel egret]

for sure im clueless on how osrs is coded but ive heard nightmare stories

[jagged marsh]

There's basically two layers

Or three

[novel egret]

pasta, sauce, parmigiano cheese (3 layers of spaghetti code)

[jagged marsh]

The engine, written in Java
The game content, written in RuneScript
And the clients, written in either C++ or Java.

There's also backend stuff like AWS but that's different

But basically, sailing is a lot of engine level work

[novel egret]

how does this prevent them from reverting code to it's previous glory?

it worked properly before

[jagged marsh]

It could be a result of changes made to either the crystal harvester or the trials. It could be from something unrelated, like the collision checks around trials related to the anti Bank standing patch.

They need to figure out how to mitigate it without undoing the code and breaking other things

They make an engine level change, say changing a parameter in a function, now all the RuneScript calls to that function need to be checked if they work

The purpose of RuneScript is to get content devs an easy way to make content without needing to interface with low level engine code

[novel egret]

i see where ur coming from its obv not as easy as doing ctrl+z but its mega frustrating have an update advertised as fixing week 1 issues cause a bunch of new ones

the new issues are mostly on gwenith glide so since it's all i do i feel it hard, im sure they fixed a bunch of issues

[chrome lantern]

I mean it's not the first time it's happened and won't be the last

[jagged marsh]

They addressed mobile lag on jubbly but not the other courses. I guess they're aware but their entire schedule is something mighty weird since the skill launched

Issues get triaged and solved in different orders, resulting in conflicting code

Different teams too

Osrs has never had a new skill before, let alone one that adds an entirely new movement system with a finer tile grid and pathfinding.

This has never been done in either game ever

[novel egret]

im not voting yes 2 a new skill for a looooong time, i feel like they will change sailing a ton over the next few years

[jagged marsh]

I can't see a new skill for a while. Maybe 5 or 7 years from now.

[novel egret]

missed opportunity for a 67 joke but i get u

[jagged marsh]

I personally want dungeoneering but with Islands instead of Floors.

It would make for a good minigame for training sailing with all your skills combined

[novel egret]

idk whats dungeoneering i never played rs3

[jagged marsh]

Go to big scary castle
Create a party (or go solo)
Go into floor
Floor has random layout
Each room has enemies and puzzles to clear
Unlock the next floor, get xp drop, get tokens, buy items.

Very very fun. Just not a great skill.

People wish it was a minigame instead

[novel egret]

reminds me of hypixel skyblock's dungeons

if you know about it

[jagged marsh]

Never played hypixel

But I did play adventurecraft

Old old mod

[novel egret]

it's the biggest minecraft server's version or runescape in a nutshell

[chrome lantern]

Adventurecraft was sick

[kind surge]

oh man that's a blast to the past

I remember playing the legend of zelda map for ages

[jagged marsh]

Shadows of Israphel too

Cinema

[chrome lantern]

Same yeah

[jagged marsh]

I'm familiar with it but I played on anarchy factions and hvh servers mostly

[novel egret]

such good memories lol

thats my childhood

[subtle merlin]

i want a giant foundry 2 quest, where you can melt items down into cballs. same bar per item as foundry.

[narrow folio]

Same but for dragon items into ammo

[round lintel]

So for my iron i will have to suffer when i need rosewood? I dont see any banks nearby

[oblique mesa]

Dock your boat there and tele to your boat after you tele away to bank

[round lintel]

Tele to my boat? only if I get 1kc bottled storm

[chrome lantern]

Just plant it

Fossil island

Seeds from Fremmy salvage

I got like 6

[round lintel]

Ive done 1k ish not a single one yet

[chrome lantern]

Oh they seem to be very rare I guess I got very lucky

[round lintel]

yup

[chrome lantern]

If you salvage only from 80-87 you should still get a couple though

[warm storm]

log basket + plank sack + plankmake will get you some pretty fruitful trips

[hasty shard]

you can gather logs faster with ritual mulch and 1h axe btw

just incase

[tacit wharf]

u know there is no difference between 1h axe and 2h axe, unless yr using rations

[hasty shard]

if you use 1h you cant make the mistake

half mistake cause you still use the rations but w/e

'dont forget to not use 2h axe buff / rations cause that wastes logs'

[round lintel]

is so annoying now u have to reset at the start to activate deactivate the extractor when doing barracudas

[round lintel]

another thing i hate is these crates, sometimes you are next to them and it wouldnt pick it up, and sometimes u are in narnia and picks it up

[hard axle]

Diagonals expand ur radius

[chrome lantern]

It's crazy how many people are still complaining about it when you have like unlimited crate reach while turning

[small anvil]

flick towards each crate

[hard axle]

yep, that's the wiggle technology

[small anvil]

but ya, the hitbox on crates is weirdddd

[hard axle]

just make it a circle instead of an X

like why an X 😭

[small anvil]

x with a growth on it

[true talon]

I really hope ship combat doesnt need d cannon and balls with the current rates

[small anvil]

i just pulled one today

just afk salvage and pray

gets you gp and herbs at least

[hasty shard]

crack theory that using more precise sailing coordinates for crates would be the equivalent of having a player control 50 boats at once server strain wise

[idle rapids]

im doing mercenary salvages rn

[hasty shard]

honestly if they buff cannons and add a ballista with current cannon strengths id be fine with nothing else changing

have cannons be expensive nuke option, and finally give a use for non dragon javelins 😭

[idle rapids]

they need ava's equivalent for canonballs

[true talon]

use for dragon javs, those things are printed in the end game. i wish dragon arrows had even 1/3rd the source of d javlin heads

[hasty shard]

yeahhh but also itd be a bit weird imo

[small anvil]

jav heads are prevalent cuz they're alchs

[true talon]

They could also stop trying to add scarcity to ship combat items

[hasty shard]

real

[true talon]

4 rune cannon balls is 11k

Like this for example

best rate is 12-20 at 1/65 from frost dragons

[small anvil]

dragon cballs are cheap for how rare they are

[winged mantle]

just like dragon arrows and dragons darts they are nfs for irons

[hasty shard]

wiki doesnt even have cball max yet 😭

[true talon]

I mean you cant even make them with sheets, because you need 900 dragon nails lol

which is already like 100 hours of frost dragons

[hasty shard]

0.4 cballs a kill is unsustainable for the whole economy

[chrome lantern]

wym

[true talon]

It actually takes longer to get a max ship than to max the skill XD

[small anvil]

33% more dmg dang

[hasty shard]

why do they not update pages !!

[chrome lantern]

Why don't you go update it

[hasty shard]

i did not realise higher cannons actually increase maxes

[chrome lantern]

The maxhit isn'y really correct either as you can see because cannons have ranged str as well

Yeah

[hasty shard]

gets ip banned

[chrome lantern]

That's why the table of cannon with cannonball is better

But yeah this is a bit crazy of a difference between rune and dragon cannonballs here too

Rune cannonballs are already prohitibively expensive

Dragon cannonballs aren't just like 5 ranged str higher like with dragon vs. amethyst arrows

It's a whole 33% stronger

[hasty shard]

these make dragon arrows look like air runes ngl

[true talon]

facts lol

[hasty shard]

surely theres not even enough volume for a rich guy to even use them reliably 😭

[idle rapids]

rich guy would just buy the drop of some noob farming the monster with a blowpipe

[true talon]

Also i remember seeing in the sailing blog that there would be a dwarf to teach you how to make cannon balls and improvements for dwarf cannon ball making as well

[idle rapids]

cut out the cannon completely

[hasty shard]

true

[true talon]

so maybe thats coming later

[chrome lantern]

Pretty sure they explicitly said they wouldn't be using other cballs in the dwarf cannons

[true talon]

no i mean a better method to produce mass cannon balls for the dwarf cannon

[tacit wharf]

maybe an upgrade in the future

[true talon]

which was also meant to tie into cannon balls for sailing

[chrome lantern]

Isn't that what the island is for

The Ancient forge

[true talon]

ya is that in the game now?

[chrome lantern]

Yes

2x cannonball speed but you have to bank elsewhere and return via fairy ring

[hasty shard]

could add a bar sack to make it a bit nicer

[chrome lantern]

Still sucks

[hasty shard]

cause 2x speed + double mould and using fairy ring just sounds painful

[small anvil]

its the same spot as the frost drags right

[true talon]

oh its 2x speed with no bank

[chrome lantern]

I did some a bit earlier today because all the mith cball shops are completely empty

[small anvil]

right next to fairy ring

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it's on the same island with the frost dragons

[meager flame]

I’m not really a fan of starting so low they know they’re gonna need to buff

[true talon]

Looking forward to the future, but sailing is alright. moment i leave cuda trials of worst hit box boxes imaginable, i have more fun

[meager flame]

I get it but I hate it when they do it

[chrome lantern]

I don't really think there are any issues with the hitboxes in trials

[round lintel]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[meager flame]

Makes doing new content feel like a waste of time knowing without a doubt

They’re gonna make things easier

[round lintel]

my wife goes like: why tf are u spam clicking when moving? I was like cuz if not it makes weird movements xd

[chrome lantern]

Wait I was just looking at that cannonball maxhit table again

I don't really understand how the cannon ranged str is working

Because it certainly says that addy cballs have 5 more maxhits

With dragon cannon over rune

But the cannon itself only has 6 more ranged str

[small anvil]

i bet people did it in diff gear or smth

[chrome lantern]

Gear shouldn't affect it

[small anvil]

i heard range lvl and range pot worked, i just guessed gear might too but idk

[chrome lantern]

Addy to rune is a 3 ranged str difference and 2 maxhits on addy cballs but only a 1 maxhit diff on steel cballs

It just seems weird

Close to but not quite a 1:1 str:maxhit

[small anvil]

ya, diff formula or smth

[chrome lantern]

The table specifies 99

When manually fired, damage partially scales off visible (boostable) Ranged level. These are estimates for a visible level of 99.

[small anvil]

ah i hadnt explored the page, just glanced at table

[chrome lantern]

There

[small anvil]

i havent ever built a cannon on my ship

[chrome lantern]

I had cut it off when I screenshotted

[small anvil]

sailing lvl?

maybe playing in

[chrome lantern]

This is my sloop rn (I don't want to spend 3m to relocate focus and extractor)

Yeah sailing level is possible idk if anyone knows if that matters

[small anvil]

like whos destroying their old cannon for science

[meager flame]

tbh the part that confuses me right now

more than anything

theres not actually enough crewmates with level 4 for things like using salvage hooks

seems like a weird oversight

[chrome lantern]

I think it's an ok tradeoff that you're just supposed to use the hook yourself tbh

[meager flame]

yes but also no because

you're losing functionality what if you sometimes 2t

or whatever you want to call it

with both hooks

but other times want to afk

[chrome lantern]

What about it

[meager flame]

basically means you have to have two different salvage boats

[chrome lantern]

Why's that

[meager flame]

because you can't afk two crewmates on dragon hooks

[chrome lantern]

Oh I see, I honestly forgot the dragon hook exists

[meager flame]

it seems like they remembered for dragon cannons

and i honestly think the level 95 crewmate might even be a mistake

i dont see why hes a straight downgrade from the level 90 one

but it would make more sense if that was supposed to be level 4 deckhandiness instead of helmsmanship

would still be a little strange since that's also just worse than cabin boy jenkins but at least it would have a place

[hard axle]

we need a super salvaging boat

4 hooks, 1 new npc that can salvage

good night

[small anvil]

let us be pacifists

no cannons all hookers

[round lintel]

So stupid you can boost to build something just for it to tell you u cant use it cuz you dont have the lvl

I built the gale catcher so i can do barracudas faster

and I cant use it

so ludacris

[meager flame]

just accept your fate of salvage to 99 to get 2 cannons

and then get 99 again while you try to get the other drops doing bounty tasks for no reason

[subtle merlin]

wish you could have your crew harvest your kills

[heavy ledge]

I haven’t tried yet, but I think someone said they’ll do that if you assign them to the salvaging hook

[heavy ledge]

Try asking https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1351223648131743836

[subtle merlin]

time to find out

got the boat wiggle down so i can fire with both cannons

didn't work for me

[heavy ledge]

Damn sorry :/ I swear I saw someone mention it but idk how they said to do it (they may have also been wrong tho who knows)

[subtle merlin]

no, ty for the idea

lol making camphor hull, 400xp to make hull parts, but only 3 to combine them into large parts

same process and speed and both take 5 mats per item...

[heavy ledge]

Yeah I don’t think it’s possible, I must’ve misread it or something. Posted it as an idea for the devs tho https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1443525412222406746

[analog crow]

surely the rates will get buffed or some new source will get released
...surely...

[meager flame]

i mean i think long term with how the game goes

yes it will get easier they'll adjust rates that are crazy release new sources and so on

i just wish they could stick to some consistent thoughts and guidelines

it feels kind of silly starting from a place where i think everyone would look at it and know thats just a hotfix or poll question in the future

i'd rather be saying abuse early abuse often than seeing new content come out and basically knowing im wasting my time

thats not to say they have to be too generous but you know just putting some totally insane numbers out into the world also isn't great lol

[analog crow]

they did both at once this release is the funny thing
they nerfed the 10k charting step, and they had to buff every other charting step

[meager flame]

i just want them to make a genuine attempt at getting it mostly right the first time

like

they can be cautious but still go for something that makes sense like the bottled storm

[radiant heart]

Fixes are nice 😮 but hopefully we get more customization relatively soon down the road. Sail emblems, sail recolor options, figureheads for our boats possibly frontal cannons of some sort to would be nice the wiggle method to control cannons is just unnatural. It doesn’t feel right.

Down the road to the skill could really use more reason to actually aimlessly sail, so if its ever a possibility imagine port tasks where you might get attacked by a particularly nasty bigger kraken, or have to fight off a band of pirates and sink them.

More oddities at sea, I absolutely love the weird little interactions. More would be a very welcome addition.

Heres an idea to to incentivize more sailing too, just like how you have that random event of that blue droplet that gives exp when you follow it why not create a bigger more interactive port tasks where that turns port tasks into a check point system. You would sail through said checkpoints on your way to another port. You could even make this more exciting that could add hazards that could slow you down or even sink you if hurt enough.

We could also do with more facilities that change the nature of the boat and force choice and boat specialization, for example what about a special angler attachment that improves catch rate while boat fishing, a harpoon cannon that fires javlins that pierces targets so you could line up sea creatures, to not replace the cannon completely you can only allow one perhaps.

Specialized sea cages for passive exp and resource gathering. Like think leaving a massive lobster cage down in specific spots of the sea and baiting it and coming back later.

Just a few ideas.

[rare quiver]

Nothing I could see in wiki/blog. The Jubbly Jive course is dreadful in terms of rubber banding. To the point where you boat just slows down (got everything, so just doing the shark course now till 72). It makes the course un playable.

Even with nobody there, the rubber banding is still there. I have a decent net provider and decent setup. I also know people have commented on Reddit and on other platforms that it's noticabled.

I've had to turn 117 off and use GPU. Even still, it's noticeable massively.

Hit boxes are still hit and miss on this course as well.

[radiant heart]

For future ideas aswell on combat, more engaging sea combat could mean enemies like pirates trying to board your vessel making you have to fend them off, krakens grabbing your boat so you gotta kill their tentacles, enemies diving under your boat forcing you sail away from your current position.

Sea monsters that can spawn damaging currents requiring you to stay on your toes and sail while you cannon them.

[radiant heart]

I like the concepts of the trials, I’ve done Marlin on all of them now but damn the slow moving boat turns for sharp angling requires so many clicks i feel like my finger is gonna fall off after a long session XD

[restive siren]

funny you say that because the sharpest turns dont require more than one click at all

but yeah trials are pretty click intensive overall

[rare quiver]

Oh yeah, another thing I'd like to mention as well. The steering sentivity is non - existant. It's either too much or too little. There needs to be some in between

I've posted my concerns on Gnomemonkeys video anyways. Good video from him actually.

[restive siren]

the 22.5° increment is plenty imo

[radiant heart]

I get click delay at times so some of my clicks don’t register despite my gig internet, good computer and close server to my location. So some of clicks just dont register when i click once and i go into a wall

[restive siren]

could it be lower yeah but is it needed definitely not

[radiant heart]

So i just play it safe and click more

[rare quiver]

Might be just me. But I have been raging at the Jubbly course the past 24hrs

[half adder]

when are we getting shared/split xp when grouped on a boat?

[radiant heart]

Naw brah dw its not easy to get those higher ranks, keep at it though you’ll get it. Stay cool and keep going.

[radiant heart]

This. When I learned it wasn’t shared my jaw dropped over such an oversight.

[half adder]

Crew XP = (Captain XP Drop)x(.4)x(Crew Player Sailing Level)
/
(Captain Sailing Level)```

[half adder]

Also there's the duo slayer issues in play. afking a whole group for mass xp farming.

[restive siren]

unplayable

[ember token]

i dont get why people are so upset over the barracuda trial rewards not perfectly matching with when you can get them

the ability to build a flag isn't a highly advanced thing

[restive siren]

osrs players having meltdowns over the most irrelevant shit will never not be funny

not directed at antlers but others

50 threads about how the level to build and get a wind catcher is mismatched

[half adder]

not a meltdown, just looks clearly "missed".

[ember token]

not at all

[hasty shard]

skill reqs & guide have 100% been untidy lmao

[ember token]

for sure, but that's for other reasons

like the materials listed being wrong

flags all being the same level to build is not one of them

[hasty shard]

i mean having reqs in general is weird

just have it work like the paint

[ember token]

it does?

like exactly like the paint'

[hasty shard]

i dont recall paint needing logs and rope

[ember token]

exact same reqs

oh

[hasty shard]

does paint trim need sailing level?

[ember token]

yeah

adding paint has the exact same reqs as adding flags

[hasty shard]

???

let lvl 1s flex merchant trim

jagex

[ember token]

are people gonna start complaining about sandy paint being 25 sailing when you need 45 to get to a hermit clab

who knows

[spice drum]

Any other fellas start getting some quick 'stutters' of sorts when loading new chunks, etc after todays update?

[neon gate]

Yes and also before today's update for the past 20 odd years

[rancid gate]

Last road of gwenith, the 3 boxes around the rock, where the northern was flicked to to pick up, doesnt pick up anymore. You have to sail through..

[restive siren]

sorry what

[rancid gate]

lol

[spice drum]

uhh think your PC might be busted then there bud lol

[restive siren]

a screenshot might help

[hasty shard]

oh it was found ic
the way to get it is so dumb

[chrome lantern]

Oh boy cloggers get to go crabbing in full torva!

Actually ig full blood moon might be better due to overkill and zero defense

[[Hermit crab]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hermit_crab

[hasty shard]

what

[chrome lantern]

Oh nvm

I just read it

[hasty shard]

😭

[chrome lantern]

I assumed it was a rare drop

Like everything else in Sailing

My bad

I was going to laugh at them

[austere mulch]

That’s annoying lol

Does going n for 2t work instead of the usual 1t

[true talon]

I think they made the hit boxes worst

the crate you get coming out the last portal was always grabbed if you was straight, now you cant get it

the problem appears to be their 2 tile pick up radius seems to be from the front of the boat and not the sides

ive rolled right next to crates and not picked up....

they neeed to just bite the bullet an double the hit box of the boat or the crates

its just not good a time having to double back non stop

[cloud slate]

crystal extractors are fine

thats all jagex

dont listen to these people saying its too much or devalues the skill or whatever

[fringe rivet]

extractor is a league's tier item

[hasty shard]

yeah no its just silverhawks on a boat lmao

[chrome lantern]

I think people are understating the fact that you have to still actually interact with the facility and that that xp is built into the trials xp

[hasty shard]

its neat in the trial its just it working outside is the problem
also the trial sucks

[chrome lantern]

I don't see how it's a problem outside the trial at all

Makes getting around the game a lot nicer

[hasty shard]

like needing to activate it manually on straightways is interesting but its just weird that you cant assign a crewmember to it like a wind catcher

considering its basically just another wind catcher lol

[chrome lantern]

I mean if you did that then I would say it would be actually problematic but as-is it isn't

[hasty shard]

i feel like the wind catcher was fine in the alphas and now on release its been split into like 3 separate items for whatever reason

gale catcher... exists
and extractor has the big xp drop wind catcher had

[chrome lantern]

I don't really see a problem with that either tbh

As far as end-game sailing upgrades so the gale catcher is the least egregious to grind

[fringe rivet]

I shouldn't feel the need to click the crystal every single minute while I'm salvaging

plus, the crystal is designed to be a movement focused tool

it being used while you're not in motion is silly

[ember token]

making it only charge when moving fixes all issues with it

[sharp bough]

can we revert the box reg? like the two tile registration only works if you are going completely straight lmao

You guys have tried to fix this problem a few times now, either find a fix or just leave it but not how it is now because right now its the worst its been

[meager flame]

i mean it doesn't

you have to then figure out how to buff everything you can do while sailing if you change it

its basically a flat 30k/hr for everything that gives sailing exp

[covert jolt]

anyone else feel they need to increase the times for the gale? can be perfect every time and still not make the times

[sharp bough]

skill issue

if you're not making times then you are not doing a perfect run

find another route

[covert jolt]

theres only one viable route, ive tried all other so called routes, its the invisible walls, and the losing speed boosts for no reason

[sharp bough]

what track

[meager flame]

i honestly dont really think there is a good solution to the extractor its fine as extra exp for extra effort but if you try and change anything

you either end up having them nerf what we're already doing when everything is honestly fine

or get the same exp for slightly less effort

should just leave it alone

[true talon]

ya they made it worst, now you always miss crate 88 on marlin when you come out of the portal

[sharp bough]

because glide theres a bunch of routes that can achieve times, using extractor for the additional boost and knowing when and where

[meager flame]

for glide if you suck just get a rosewood hull

then you can hit whatever you want and make time

[sharp bough]

yeah and same with first portal if you're not directly ontop of it as if you go sideways its gg @true talon

[meager flame]

if not then look up a red eye jedi route and play better

[true talon]

just get a 300 dragon nail 93 sailing upgrade!

[covert jolt]

kinda have to be able to beat shark time there to build the extractor cant even manage to beat the stupid swordfish rank because my boat just slows to almost a stop when ive got 2 crates leftr

[sharp bough]

if people can do sub 6 ironwoods im sure he just needs to suss a better plan xd

[meager flame]

oh for sure i did the time without a rosewood hull

im just saying if he really just cant the hull will fix it

[true talon]

i just hate the crates that dont get picked up despite you sailing past them

[sharp bough]

@covert jolt you need to find a better route, you need to learn wind management and turning circles

[true talon]

feels like you need to knee jerk when going straight to pick up crates that you just sail over

esp the one on the final portal

[sharp bough]

anything under rosewood its very easy to do tight turns, its mainly route and wind management however most recent hotfix will make it harder

[true talon]

they just need to make the crates hit boxes double

or expand the boat hit box

[covert jolt]

the whole barracuda trials seem to just be garbage because they dont know how tf to make the boats work properly

[true talon]

im sure the boat problem is because the boats kept being stuck

[sharp bough]

they need to just make it consistent, 1 tile every angle and im happy

i mean, its not that they dont know how to i think a lot goes overlooked and tested properly @covert jolt trials is fun and easy

but it isnt fun currently lmao

[covert jolt]

my entire enjoyment of the skill has basically been destroyed by the gwen glide because of how broken it is

[sharp bough]

well they keep changing it and they keep making it worse

post update yesterday it was better then ever before

[covert jolt]

i still go straight through boxes like they dont exist

[sharp bough]

yeah u will right now

its really bad since the hotfix they just did

i can float on a angle ontop of a box and it just says sike

[covert jolt]

more like hot break

they also did a horrible job with the combat

[sharp bough]

eh idk aint got time for that

i like playing gran turismo meets spyro

[covert jolt]

lmfao

in like a half hour or so you think you could show me your routes daka?

i really want to enjoy it but it stresses me out that i cant finish the times lol

[sharp bough]

i have two videos of the "route" both getting about 5:30-5:40

however the route i take and the route u take will be different

[covert jolt]

im still stuck on swordfish

[sharp bough]

ironwood/rosewood = diff routes

[covert jolt]

ahh

[sharp bough]

im happy to show you but right now i promise you its bad due to recent "fix"

[covert jolt]

so basically im gunna just be stuck until i can do the next set of upgrades

sounds great lmfao

[sharp bough]

https://youtu.be/dw0PlZbV3dA

you could use that route, just made a lot of mistakes and find adjustments that work best for you

[covert jolt]

thanks ill give it a watch and a try

[sharp bough]

yw

[true talon]

rosewood is so broken wtf lol

lmao you missed crate 95

because of jacked up hit boxes

[sharp bough]

i have a vid unlisted that is quite legit so many mistakes for a 5:30 due to boxes being scuffed

https://i.imgur.com/4DbSQ0l.png

like what even is this

https://i.imgur.com/bgRlgOZ.png it gets worse

[true talon]

yep its so ass

[sharp bough]

like thats really bad

[chrome lantern]

idk why they changed anything in the first place tbh

[sharp bough]

i have no idea

they just keep making whats bad even worse

[hasty shard]

idk why they didnt change this since the alpha

[fleet basalt]

How are the boxes more broken than they were previously? How can we go directly thought them and not pick it up

[hasty shard]

im like 90% sure they had dogshit hitboxes back then

[fleet basalt]

absolutely ridiculously absurd

[sharp bough]

because they state 2 tiles away

but really they mean

[chrome lantern]

The hitboxes have never had any issues lmao

[sharp bough]

.2 of a tile away

[chrome lantern]

Before the last change at least

[sharp bough]

they have

[fleet basalt]

they werent great but they were better than they are now

[sharp bough]

^

[fleet basalt]

Do we have to wait a freaking week to be able to train the skill now?

[chrome lantern]

I feel like that's more people not understanding boat hitbox with turns than issues with the boxes

[sharp bough]

xd

[small anvil]

The hotboxes were weird before

[fleet basalt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1p84jv9/boxes_finally_fixed/ exhibit b

[small anvil]

But they effectively standardized them and made them worse?

[sharp bough]

https://i.imgur.com/bgRlgOZ.png

exhibit a

[small anvil]

It's possible the collision detection is just missing if you go through the middle of the x now

I saw a clip of straight through a box

[sharp bough]

yeah ive done it 3 times now

[fleet basalt]

ive gone through 3 boxes directly today

then gave up out of frustration

[hasty shard]

completely normal hitboxes

no issue here!

[small anvil]

They like got rid of the growth on the bottom

[sharp bough]

bro if any1 says its not a box issue they literally havnt even got off tut island

[hasty shard]

why is it not just square 😭

[small anvil]

No idea seph

[restive siren]

i agree that was part of the problem but it was also insanely dumb that the pickup range was directionally different. now they changed that and every crate feels like the ones you struggled with before since you came in from the "wrong" direction

but yeah it goes absolutely beyond me why they are doing it like that

make a square holy

[small anvil]

Like I can't really think of how it would work but I'm imagining it was some computationally cheaper collision detection in 2 lines?

[sharp bough]

just driving past another box go figure https://i.imgur.com/4DbSQ0l.png

[hasty shard]

and it still like barely functions

[restive siren]

oh right mby

[small anvil]

And you somehow skip over both lines at the center

[hasty shard]

large part of why i despise barracuda trials, they are being held together with literal twine

[small anvil]

Like I cannot imagine why it's an x besides that

[hasty shard]

like why are these in the game if they make you lag and drop ticks so much noooone of this was addressed since the alpha

[small anvil]

And yeah the second they said they adjusted hit box yesterday I was like oh boy this is gonna be bad

[hasty shard]

where it was evidently an issue

[sharp bough]

@small anvil they changed it again 2-3 hrs ago

[fleet basalt]

Would certainly be nice if a jmod would communicate that they are aware of this issue and working on it

[small anvil]

Yeah I heard

[sharp bough]

thats why there is ppl complaining

[small anvil]

I'm saying messing with hotboxes is spooky for people

[sharp bough]

they are @fleet basalt

[small anvil]

Cuz their route no longer works

And frustration

[minor whale]

The X makes you unable to do weird wiggle tech to pick stuff up you're nowhere near

[small anvil]

The new thing is just especially dumb

[fleet basalt]

Do you have a source

[small anvil]

You still can catch the arms of the x pyro

Wiggle is more reliable than straight afaik

[hasty shard]

i managed to get marlin rank earlier completely unscathed i have no fucking clue how

[sharp bough]

clan owner has direct contact and confirmed which ik he does

[restive siren]

they just changed it a couple of hours ago so they will be monitoring it. and they are regularly reading this discord and subreddit, they know

[small anvil]

Wiggle matters because the boat hit box rotates

And you get width

Instead of being 2x4

[sharp bough]

i would assume next hour or two they will fix again or go back to how it was since update yesterday

unsure but dont do what was done in this hotfix

[restive siren]

i doubt it their work day is over

dont think they work nightshifts apart from launch day mby

[fleet basalt]

Id certainly be dedicated to fixing this sooner rather than later if i was their dev

[sharp bough]

mm hopefully they just are able to easily revert the code idk all ik is they are currently aware

[true talon]

Just make it a 9x9 sq fuck it

half the time you pick up boxes from a screen away anyways

Make the points of the X into a flat SQ

5x5

[hard axle]

Hey, you guys broke un-set sail

Previously you used this unset sail to stop the direction and then change it before hitting the button again to put up the sail.

Now, when you un-set your sail and click a direction, it immediately puts up the sail.

This is awful for when you mess up and there's ZERO ways to restore the pivoting trick.

https://i.imgur.com/WrbIQxg.png

You need to be able to pivot because double shipwreck spots are often very tile specific and being able to inch forward or angle at a direction is how you get in hitbox range.

[hasty shard]

so im not insane that the ui sucks 😭

[hard axle]

I think people complained about the button, but that button had actual usage

I would double tap the unset sail if I skipped a crate

[hasty shard]

currently half of them do the same thing i feel

[true talon]

i remember when i unset sail an then was trying to figure out why the boat was moving so slow when i set sail again lol

needs to be double clicked

[hard axle]

pivotting is hella important and its been removed

[hasty shard]

tbh for future upgrades id love to see some magic warp device that just makes your boat do an instant 180

[hard axle]

found the fix

https://i.imgur.com/aHJRjMq.png

[chrome lantern]

I just have mine on "First" setting, always have since full release

I was also unaware the settings in the settings menu existed for a while and was annoyed because I thought they had gotten rid of the ability for you to keep the ship running while not operating the helm

Found it weird the default was to stop the boat

[small anvil]

There's a setting to set on first click that can be turned off apparently

Oh it was said

[chrome lantern]

Hitbox reverted for now

[restive siren]

huge w

[meager flame]

this is kind of inevitable though

like

its really hard to make something with exact and well tuned hitboxes but also hide from the player how the hitboxes are moving and working

[chrome lantern]

It feels very intuitive to me when you do like a single trial

[meager flame]

they're just gonna play it blind not understanding that and see things that even if they aren't random

from their pov it feels random and frustrating

[chrome lantern]

It just feels like the same concept as true tile and people don't have an issue with that being wonky

[meager flame]

most of us play with true tile enabled though now

[chrome lantern]

In the sense of not visually aligned at all times

[meager flame]

so you can at least see it

[chrome lantern]

I mean I don't doubt someone could make a boat truetile plugin

[meager flame]

basically though tldr if you have a bunch of secret stuff going on thats invisible and the player can only see graphics that dont match that

[quaint osprey]

I did notice the lost supplies were worse after the update. I thought it was skill issue lol

[meager flame]

they're really not gonna get it without some lengthy explanation and experience

its just interesting in this situation because you could just make the hit boxes kind of crazy right so you dont even need to get that close

but then people will just adjust to that and start missing again on the edges of whatever the new hitbox is lol

idk what they can do tbh

[quaint osprey]

The rapids are not great either. If you highlight them and go on top of the squear it doesn't recognize it.
And some rocks get you stuck on invisible ledges but other places where you can clip the visible rock and go through it

[meager flame]

i also have no idea how boat true tile would even work

it would be really nice if someone could figure it out though

[hasty shard]

it is being figured out

[meager flame]

it might be weird because your boat is technically an instance

afaik

well

maybe not an instance but a place far far away

[hasty shard]

#old-school message

[hard axle]

ty for reversion

them angles not working when they previously worked as tripping the fuck out of me

[covert jolt]

Took me 100 attemps but swordfish rank done lol, now to take 200 tries for shark and not even bother with marlin

[true talon]

Marlin is not bad if you don’t care about the time

[lost jacinth]

why is the game rendering soooooo janky tonight

2 hours i have been trying to sort this, when it gets to render a new section of the map it rubber bands

[drifting pasture]

why is it when i log out or hop worlds i keep getting spawned at deepfin and my boat at sunbeak island while i was salvaging before logging/hopping

its pissing me off

[rare quiver]

Is it me, or are the click boxes just failing to register on outcrop pods on the jubbly jive course? Having to constantly spam to get one thrown 🤷‍♂️ Also, just seen another person in front miss.

[restive siren]

They can not register when it coincides with a Chunk loading lag

[rare quiver]

which is basically what is happening

[restive siren]

But usually people are just not close enough

[rare quiver]

Think the major issue they need to sort out is the lag imo

[fringe rivet]

Huh, so the new cannon furnace was originally polled to be unlocked at a lvl81 island, but they moved it to a lvl 87 one.

[jagged marsh]

New cannon furnace?

[frail bough]

cannonball furnace, they moved to #sailing-chat with the convo already

[finite obsidian]

whatever update they made, now when I log out on my boat at jubbly jive trials, I log back in at pandemonium dock without my boat. Is this happening to anybody else?

[round lintel]

I didnt know if u docked somewhere, then you are out on the water and log out, it will send you out of your boat and away from where you docked.

Kinda annoying since your boat isnt an instance

[tacit wharf]

if that dock was just a mooring point, yes

been said for quite a few days now

[round lintel]

im doing my chartings and docked in an island close to the colosseum

left and needed to log out

when i got back in i was in aldarin

[tacit wharf]

time to grab that raft

[round lintel]

yeah on my other boat getting back there cuz i have some stuff in the cargi

cargo

[meager flame]

the rarity goes up 1 in 18k now for the cannon barrel

lmao i wonder if something is wrong with how they're tracking it honestly

[analog crow]

Hi Jagex unfortunately the game is unplayable at the moment.
Please correct the quest dialogue and journal to correctly indicate the relative positions of the islands.
Thank you and bless.

[plush plover]

i docked at an actual dock and had this happen to me so it seems docking anywhere can have the same issue

[weary copper]

they use specific players drop rates, so it can be biased towards, of course the more data, the more accurate it can be, but the ~~ means it's not confirmed and still an approximation

[meager flame]

yeah but i mean something much more wrong than that

they're already going off of millions of loots from people

[fossil mural]

I am curious how they are tracking salvages, for me at least salvages aren't getting tracked in Loot Tracker

[charred acorn]

I think there needs to be a talk of buffing catch rates for deep sea trawling

[meager flame]

also the number just seems

not serious

[fossil mural]

deep sea trawling just looks awful all around. Lots of activity, bad exp rates, bad fish catch rates

[charred acorn]

It's the most active fishing method and the least rewarding

[meager flame]

thats

5.1 million sailing exp assuming you salvage and clean them all yourself to go on rate

you need two of them

even if your crewmates steal a little bit of that exp

as soon as someone commonly goes 2 or 3x rate

lmao

dudes getting 99 sailing twice just for cannons

idk how thats serious from jagex

[fossil mural]

"need" probably a strong word but

[hasty shard]

also just like
imagine whenever we get a new tier of cannons lmao

are they gonna take even longer 😭

[meager flame]

imagine when they release a new boat instead and you have to go back and get more cannons

[hasty shard]

majority of the sailing upgrades are also different to pvm in that they are removed from the economy

[fossil mural]

did the dragon cannon get a special attack by the way?

I am assuming no

[hasty shard]

nope

dragon cannonballs also dont look different >:(

[sharp cave]

Heard the aquanite hopper was ass is this true?

[quiet plank]

I don't think we will get new cannons cuz It'd be dumb to put a higher skill req on them. I think it's more likely that we get an attachment that can be put onto either rune or dragon cannons to buff them

[weary copper]

are these reusable now?

[meager flame]

its just going to be a rancour situation

they might upgrade them at times but at some point in the future some dev is going to be staring at the dragon cannon level like wtf were they thinking

and just make the new drop a lower level and let it be weird

[keen oak]

I hope the devs read this - it makes very little sense to make the dragon salvaging hook only usable by cabin boy jenkins
It means that by upgrading from rune, you lose the ability to have the 2nd hook operated by a crewmate

To fix this, they should either give a 2nd NPC 4 deckhandiness, have a late game keg beer give the required stats, or more reasonably, let any deckhand operate any hook, but only at the efficiency that relates to them
I.e let Jobless Jim operate the dragon hook but only at the efficiency you'd get from using rune

Otherwise, the upgraded hook is essentially a downgrade

[sharp cave]

Now that u mention it the crew stats locking them to particular tiers of boat parts is really stupid

[meager flame]

crew stats in general look like someone just put random numbers on the screen

it would help if they could go with some more intentional design

[sharp cave]

What purpose does preventing jobless jim from operating a dragon helm serve?

Cannons are probably the only ones that make sense

[meager flame]

maybe they wanted to reward you for picking the correct crew for the job but

the problem here

is that they just

did a terrible job with crew stats

for example the level 95 crewmate is just the ass version of the level 90 one

entirely redundant too

theres no reason to ever have more than 1 npc with level 4 helmsmanship

[sharp cave]

Level 95 one should be max in all stats lol

[meager flame]

i almost think they accidentally messed up

and he was supposed to be the second guy for the dragon hook

but they just gave the level 4 to the wrong stat lol

[sharp cave]

Yeah who knows the stats are contrived anyway, tbh even cannon doesn't make sense

I remember it feeling super bad i had to effectively remain on a bronze cannon from 30 to 50 if I wanted mt crew to operate it even though I could build steel

Stats should be replaced with effectiveness as tim says

So jobless jim can't hit harder than a bronze cannon while assigned to a steel ect

[meager flame]

i mean tbh

they should just delete the system

[keen oak]

Yeah i kinda see what they did with having a certain crew being optimal for different missions
But i think someone should be able to man every station at all times, including 2x cannon, 2x net, 2x salvage etc

[meager flame]

its garbage and has no depth

its just there because players wanted crewmates to have stats

and they didn't have enough time or resources to actually make something like that that was also interesting

but delivered it anyways

should've just been cut

[keen oak]

Apparently its been discussed on reddit that they are gonna sort the manning etc, and possibly even provide a workaround for things not being movable on the boat (they can't make it work like poh moving, but they said they might turn things into untradable flat packs, which is basically the same)

[untold edge]

has anyone been able to do Gwenith Glide Shark trial since the update? Says they hotfixed an issue with it not being completeable but im 20 attempts in making all the right turns and using wind motes and still cant even make time within seconds

[small anvil]

The issue was a missing crate

The time is absolutely doable

[round lintel]

I did it on wed after update and the missing box fix

[small anvil]

Stay wind boosted as much as possible

[untold edge]

i dont get whats happening then. im not messing up any turns, im staying on the tile marker path, im using motes every chance i can get. and even then i go inside portal at :42 and get timed for :45 somehow

[small anvil]

The portal eats time always

[untold edge]

is it just not possible with camphor?

[small anvil]

It's possible

Might be missing wind motes

[untold edge]

then it doesnt make sense lol. unless the tile pack is inefficient

[round lintel]

probably the paths you are taking were outdated and those have very little room for time

[untold edge]

my sails are constantly winded

[round lintel]

like has to be perfect to beat it :32-:41

[small anvil]

I am not familiar with the tile pack path

[hasty shard]

i got mine just fine yesterday

the current tile packs kinda suck ngl

actual path line plugin is gonna go hard once its out

[untold edge]

well idk whats going on because this is literally not possible for my setup i guess lol

dont miss any motes, always winded, making shortest turns possible, and still off by several seconds

[hard axle]

Watch a guide video and copy it

[dark raven]

its definitely possible with the minimum requirements. just watch a 3 minute video to figure out what you're missing

[untold edge]

yeah doing that now

wow yeah that tile pack has problems lol

[restive siren]

which tile pack are you using

[obsidian venture]

I used the wikis and got it post hotfix

[untold edge]

the wikis

something has to be insanely wrong then. like 20+ attempts no screw ups and still off by several seconds

i do get some client lag so might be related to that. just figured everyones getting the same tech issues on these lol

[obsidian venture]

Could be losing time on the tight loop and or the straightaways

Gotta time out the boosts for those

[restive siren]

wikis works just fine

you are for sure not doing it efficiently if you are multiple seconds off

[obsidian venture]

Have tighter turns and make sure to stay boosted + grab motes

Also try to compare your run to another persons vod

[untold edge]

im literally staying on path and using wind every time it dies down, and grab every mote. the fact that its not just a little but many seconds off tells me theres something really off technically. like thats not just user error lol. im gonna blame it on my gpu

[obsidian venture]

Could stream it

[untold edge]

i did and im doing the same thing. but my boat like, stalls then shoots forward then stalls

[restive siren]

thats sadly normal yes

just chunk render lag

[untold edge]

yeah i figured everyone gets that

[obsidian venture]

Yeah had to reset a bunch due to stalls

There’s just too much happening

But if you’re able to go live we can see

[untold edge]

but being off several seconds for 22 attempts even after seeing optimal vods seems consistently faulty somehow. like i really dont know what it is id be doing consistently wrong

[obsidian venture]

[untold edge]

i can try in a few

[small anvil]

You're definitely not taking optimal lines then

If you're turning 2 ticks back and forth it's much slower than one tick wiggles

[dark raven]

change your runelite priority to high in task manager. That fixed a lot of the lag issues for me. if that works for you just remember to reset it every time you open runelite

and yeah keep the boat as straight as possible. people are spam clicking their ass off turning the boat every tick and it just loses you time

[small anvil]

Yeah learn to not turn as much and just wiggle pick up and you'll get faster

One wiggle south after first portal is enough until you turn north

[honest rover]

annyone knows if they are gonna do something with the sharhai? ( from sailing lock-in poll?)

[restive siren]

the what?

[honest rover]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sharhai

[restive siren]

interesting

[honest rover]

was browsing thrugh the ''orphaned pages'' on the wiki and found this floathing by

[restive siren]

probably for a future update

dont think they have said anything about it

[honest rover]

looks verry interesting, hope they wil do something with tit

[chrome lantern]

If it’s part of Tortugan stuff it’s probably after Red Reef or even the next quest after that

[warm spire]

@white raft just got the insta death at ice wall on gwenyth glide. someone in my cc said it happened to a uim recently. had no plugins on besides tile markers. no ice, health was at full. just hit wall and insta ferox

[kind surge]

did you manage to record it at least

[warm spire]

happened maybe 15 mins ago for a rough estimate, submitted a bug report within 10 mins of incident, ign is Derrik

[warm spire]

would've posted if i recorded it. didn't expect to randomly die for no reason lmao

[chrome lantern]

Sick rsn though

[kind surge]

yeah that's fair

[heavy ledge]

I saw someone complain about the insta death before, was that supposed to have been fixed already?
Edit to add a link to Derrik’s forum post they made https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1444114603910107257

[chrome lantern]

afaik the jmods looked into it and determined they couldn't find anything that would have possibly caused it

[kind surge]

if you meant the uim reddit post, it was dismissed as user error

really need a video recording to help the jmods

[warm spire]

yeah someone in cc sent me the post and i read huskys response

said if it happened to anyone else to reach out

just hoping to bring attention to it since it happened to me as well

thankfully i was not on my uim doing it

[heavy ledge]

I saw it mentioned in here, but they mighta been referencing the Reddit post. I know it wasn’t the post specifically cuz I don’t use Reddit

There is a https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1435267698979242145 forum if you wanna make a post there too

Idk if @ing husky again would be appropriate, maybe just edit the forum post link into your message above for him to see?

[warm spire]

oh i was looking for a sailing channel or something. ill just paste what i wrote up there into that thread

[heavy ledge]

Yeah there have been a bunch of little sailing channels popping up recently that I had no idea about until I looked at the whole list recently cuz they’re not automatically added to the sidebar

[chrome lantern]

I learned earlier today that #sailing-chat is a thing I won' tbe using

And just now that #1435267194626773113 is a separate thing I also won't be using

[warm spire]

hahaha well thank y'all for help! have a nice day/night

[heavy ledge]

You too! Hopefully they get that bug sorted cuz that sucks :/

And yeah I think the only ones I’ll be using are https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1435267582516134040 and https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1435267698979242145

[subtle merlin]

ok hunter's spear and eclipse set can hit hard against birds and rays, but not sharks, mammals and kraken

rune knives (because im cheap) seem to do better than bp agains sharks and krakens. any other cheap ideas?

rune knives with void

[remote ruin]

if you can afford the initial cost of the rosewood blowpipe, addy darts loaded in it are pretty close to rune knives(with no offhand). most offhands tip the scales towards knives even further, but (again assuming you can afford initial cost of rosewood blowpipe), adamant darts are under half the price of rune knives. this information is only really useful if you're a penny pincher(like me). my range level is only 90 so you might get different numbers if you calc

TLDR; rosewood blowpipe loaded with addy darts is pretty close to rune knives with no offhand while wearing void at 90 ranged.

[chrome lantern]

So basically it’s a good crab weapon

[subtle merlin]

I tried it, but against sailing targets blow pipes don't seem to do the same damage as knives. Otherwise even tho its kinda expensive to use i would be using toxic bp.

[meager flame]

sometimes i do wonder about items like the new blowpipe

like the "niche" is obvious but what isn't obvious is like

what kind of sane situation would ever actually fall under said niche

lol they make a lot of items like this lately where sure there is a contrived situation where this stuff is useful for someone but

[tacit wharf]

i dont wanna waste my toxic bp to tag mobs niche

[meager flame]

that almost never actually happens

ya thats what i mean though

they just created an entire new item because people would rather not use a handful of zulrah scales

thats not even a real problem

and the other use cases exist but are kind of like

[tacit wharf]

its not just a handful

[meager flame]

so unrealistic that it just wont happen

[tacit wharf]

its a good chunk of zulrah scales

[meager flame]

i mean

[subtle merlin]

and honestly the spec from rosewood isnt horrible

[meager flame]

i play an iron all the time and i've never had to get more zulrah scales in my life

and i have less than 1k kc

maxed green logged raids etc

its really not a lot of scales lol

im pretty sure scales used to be more of a problem but thats not the era i played iron in

[hot crest]

need more traction on this, made the double hook upgrade ready to reel in some nice afk xp and rack up some salvage only to have 1 crewmember able to use it.

[fringe rivet]

question, lore-wise, who do you think would have the best salvaging skill?

aside from Jenkins?

[tacit wharf]

<@&385422009930219520>

[hard axle]

its also 2 range longer

so its easier and less ticks loss to tag if the room ur in has too much space

[austere mulch]

Can also just throw the darts in these instances lol

The +2 range on pipe vs darts not saving you any time or struggle tagging nechs for slayer

[meager flame]

yeah i actually did do this a long time ago

[pastel geyser]

Or use pots for aggro

[meager flame]

i think i might have had some random stack of knives or something too i did it with lol

[frank locust]

Is it possible to make the facilities UI organizable, or atleast move the wind/gale catcher charges below the boat movement toggles?

[tacit wharf]

ya would love the 2 salvaging options moved to the same line and then the driving UI to be straightened and shrunk (dont need to know the crew is steering)

[chrome lantern]

The icon itself should be sufficient to see if it's manned

[tacit wharf]

those 2 change alone would/should be enough to let you see the 2nd cannon option without having to scroll down

[chrome lantern]

Also

For the repair button

Would make sense to have a right-click "Assign-Last" option

Or even left-click

[tacit wharf]

or just a button to click and one of yr free crew uses a repair kit w/o assigning

[chrome lantern]

Sure

[meager flame]

ya i was looking at it the other day and basically everything i thought should be changed and was then changed about the rune pouch interface rework with a plugin