game-update

[hard axle]

this is no different than them trying out 1v1s instead of multi finals

let them cook

[meager flame]

they probably shouldn't even have a finale

with how its gone

[sick moon]

What is this about? They cant all use it in the 1v1's

[meager flame]

i'd be grateful they're even trying

[hard axle]

it's like talking to a wall

[sick moon]

You're arguing clan man mode when thats not the point of this discussion

I dont know why you're shifting goalposts

[hard axle]

im bringing it up as a potential reason as to why they're trying no bank keys this time

and ur ignoring it like a dumbass

ur planting down fences and saying "nah nothing u say matters"

[round lintel]

My argument is: Removing the bank key is an option I accept because most of the time it has some value and most of the times it doesnt, you never know, but if that will push most people to get out of the GE and safe areas to get points it means I have more action than the avg dmm fights where people are in my lvl or some above my level so I have to scape and not just fighting the fed streamers in max or clans.

[meager flame]

at least this is interesting to watch while i want to die prepping forestry rewards for sailing

worst content ever made btw

[sick moon]

So state your argument, its simply firing random shots hoping one hits somehow

To help you out, try copy and paste this and fill the blank. "I think xx because xxx. "

[round lintel]

This man is helpless

there is a poll

go vote no on iut

it

is not set on stone

Suggestion box

[meager flame]

ngl

[sick moon]

Cool, i also am spreading awareness about how stupid the proposed change is

[meager flame]

i bet this whole league i mean dmm

[sick moon]

Which will help influence the poll

[meager flame]

is just leagues in monk robes because you occasionally get pked

[hard axle]

ragmanmode yeah

[sick moon]

Exactly, but you support it

[round lintel]

I mean it was ragmanmode and clanmanmode

I was gonna skip

The only reason im doing it is due to the stupid kit

for bowfa

[floral blaze]

Oh and most of these deaths would occur early on in DMM where there was little progress being risked. You fuck up once you learn from it and it didnt happen again

[sick moon]

Are those tradable on the g.e on 07 like the other cosmetics last time?

[round lintel]

Bet they are but I am doing it only on my iron

[hard axle]

I enjoyed watching the choke points being held down by clans because it was strategic, but this time, they're being cowards and autocompleting quests

[round lintel]

To be honest I wouldnt mind if they remove some of your cb xp if you die to mitigate the key factor.

[sick moon]

Werent you complaining about clans 2.5 mins ago?

[meager flame]

i still want them to do like a big clan v clan event like this where you just get sorted into 4 groups

[hard axle]

If your density was any denser, we'd be sucked into a black hole.

[meager flame]

and it just results in massive stupid fights

for like 2 weeks

[sick moon]

Saying statements like that without proper dialogue are just that, statements

[meager flame]

giving all of the noobs like hundreds of teammates would be the best way to get everyone in there

just trying it

[round lintel]

I mean by day 4-5 I was already getting ragged by Ditter in VLS 🙁

Had to stay one bracket down for the first week

cuz everyone in max cb was already in amazing gear and there i was

[floral blaze]

That would be cool tbh. Someone had an idea like thishttps://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1379615416779018351

[meager flame]

just make it have like zone control or something so you can see on the map which team holds which zones

just use the league areas or whatever

it would spawn a bunch of stupid reddit grove street memes etc

idk what jagex is doing

its easy

[hard axle]

For better or worse, muling is effectively dead with this no bank key change and all clans have in advantage is numbers to flood the map, which is plenty of an advantage to exist.

If you have max, you don't have to have 2+ accounts to trade you all max gear before finals

Rather than relying on Jagex moderating this shit every DMM, which they do very poorly and fairly, just nuke the issue and see if it works in one DMM.

If it doesn't work, great, we roll it back next DMM

[sick moon]

Oh yeah, wait 16 months for the next dmm, If it was every few months it wouldnt be such a big issues but look at the time between each one. Silly take

[hard axle]

You're essentialy saying DMM/Leagues shouldn't ever change because they're so spaced out they should always be Twisted Leagues 1-5 and DMM1-35.

[sick moon]

If you actually thought muling is bad, you wouldnt be advocating for everyone to forecefully mule, unless you didnt think it was wrong to begin with

[sick moon]

When did i say they shouldnt ever change?

[round lintel]

I think the muling and swapping (even though I swap my way out since I dont play finals)

is a problem

[sick moon]

They can easily create strong incentives to risk more with drop rate changes, damage etc so people will literally fill their account with risk to stay competetive

[hard axle]

Get this into your head - It gets more fair if everyone can save their finals gear without relying on alts.

Clans disproportionately abuse this otherwise and already have a massive advantage in numbers when it comes to gathering gear for finals.

[sick moon]

muling would be the disadvantage

[sick moon]

You still have deposit box slots, and we havent 1v1's in so many dmms. Also consider my alternative

[hard axle]

You literally complained about the fact that they're testing it for ONE DMM and responded with "it takes 16 months each DMM".

Basically they can't change too much or Mr. xJetPilot will complain that they changed too much

[sick moon]

Yes exactly, my change is way less damaging to dmm than removing the iconic bank key

[hard axle]

disingenuous as fuck

[sick moon]

Just as well you're not a dev

thank fuck

Also you literally misunderstood my point

That comment was about if a shitty change were to be made, you'd have to wait 16 months for a non shitty dmm

i thought that was clear already

It means the stakes for getting it right are high

Last dmm had bank keys and it worked well so atleast we have a ball park for knowing what works

I see why you called yourself a rat, afterall you know yourself better than anyone else 🤷‍♂️

Anyway im out, have fun typing to yourself normie

[hard axle]

Good, leave after being a dense nut that ignores history. The whole "risk more, reward more" barely works and is often bullshit. Not only will people find ways to gimmick thresholds with items that aren't worth it, but they also disproportionately benefit clans because 50m loot on a solo player is a lot riskier versus 50m in a clan protecting you.

We've seen this shit 50x in the main game and DMM just exacerbates that issue because "more risk" gets offset tremendously if you're in a clan and you're holding down a location or a choke point that people can farm at higher efficiency and be protected by their clannies

I'm okay with some benefits, but making it like 5x rewards or anything along those lines if you risk 100m or whatever threshold only benefits clans.

[kind surge]

normie

lol

[main sail]

i am still strugglign to cope with no sigils on drop table someone help me plz

[lean root]

what do you have to play for if u dont swap, as a soloplayer?

no 1v1s to make itemskeep value to the very end, the final is horrible as a solo player

no w45 trasnfer besides account stats

i think deposit box should transfer over to w45, like intended last dmm(as opposed to every item)

[nocturne solstice]

I played for the rewards and I'll play it again for the rewards.

I know there was that long ass talk back earlier about rewards and how some people use it for money or others don't think the rewards are that nice but I enjoyed earning the cosmetics myself.

I grabbed enough points for the cape orn last DMM and I'll probably grab enough for the bowfa and crystal armor orns this time.

[lean root]

at the time, last dmm no1 knew what the prices of rewards were going to be, most people shrugged it off as probably a few mil or whatever.

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah I didnt think about reward to money prices either

I just thought the cape looked neat

And also as an opportunity to try DMM and get some practice in PVP

[lean root]

Yup, i reckon there will be a lot more people playing and making alt accounts throughout entire event for the rewards alone

[main sail]

this dmm will be awful for swapping

last dmm was insane if u did wildy slay

i was barraging abby demons making 300m 07/h

[lean root]

from sigils yh?

[main sail]

yes

only for like the first 30h it was insane tho

[lean root]

im ngl i seen firsthand how botted the last dmm was for simple spots like barraging for sigils

for the games "integrity" skull point stuff is a good change

[main sail]

t5 emblems were like 1/20 from 100+ mobs if you did wildy slay as well

[lean root]

but will fuck over some people who wanted to make money

maybe the new dmm chest or w.e will be decent money early

[nocturne solstice]

Likely, people do love profit as others have made it clear haha

[lean root]

yh, atleast that should make for a pretty active dmm instead of previosu ones that start to fade out after 4-5 days

[nocturne solstice]

I think they might need to restructure how DMM works as a whole for that one.

If the main reason people play is for dodgy trust trades to make tonnes of GP I'd say that's an issue with the gamemode.

[lean root]

aslong as theres people playing, grinding for points etc there will be a intact foodchain for pkers hunting pkers hunting pvmers

[lean root]

agree

it has lost its competitive format with removal of 1v1s imo so making gp is the main appeal now

[merry verge]

I feel confident they are and want to bring 1v1s back, but in some altered shape which is protected from ddos somehow. I have a feeling they've cooked something up (based on what they've written about it previously and in this blog post)

[lean root]

can only hope

[hollow tulip]

do we know if the new seeds are going to be in seed packs from farming contracts?

[sacred skiff]

We don’t know

[restive storm]

Tbh I think probably no less than 60% of players play it to swap gp. Nothing in the main game comes remotely close to the gp/h plus it’s usually done via interesting methods. IMO should be something jagex is embracing rather than restructuring, even though idk how feasible it’d actually be to put some sort of real swap mechanic in there. Probably impossible with current tech

[ember grove]

The best they could do is set up an official trading booth or something, but idk if it’s even feasible considering how much the rates change dynamically

[restive storm]

yeah agreed itd be so rough, in an ideal world though would be awesome

prob would actually be the biggest thing they could do to increase activity lol

[merry verge]

If Jagex doesn't https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1345460064470831216 before Deadman starts, could we maybe get a Corrupted Noxious Halberd requiring 60-70 attk to add a bit more variety of weapons?

Current weapon options are a bit slim with only Dogsword at 75attk and Thunder Khopesh at 60attk. I feel like these two will be crazy expensive because they are the only 2 best options for spec weps (aside from regular Voidwaker, Claws etc. which is definitely gonna be very expensive)..
I loved in previous DMMs how corrupted weaponry were giving average players a chance to enjoy decently strong weps, so if the corrupted ones could sit around 1m-3m or something, that seems like it could be quite balanced? It was great fun to see more variety of spec weps.

@winter hearth another feedback/suggestion for ya here, forgot to add this to the in-game suggestion as I just realized today thinking/plotting about the upcoming DMM... 😄

[restive storm]

+1 to increase attack speed of hally's so they arent the most useless weapon in game

[chrome lantern]

It’s mentioned in the post as well but I would retain the special attack on dhally/chally as 7t

[dull abyss]

Wait, will the grid master store always be there?

[finite bolt]

yes

[dull abyss]

OK, cool thanks

[sacred skiff]

Lol I just found the sailing cape perks in my max cape

Unforch they are locked behind 99 sailing still

Looks like unlimited teleports to boat and teleports to Pandemonium

[chrome lantern]

I extremely expected boat tele, I guess pandemonium shouldn’t surprise me either

I saw those the other day too

[restive storm]

so extremely weird to do that though, prob just would want to keep it consistent

[chrome lantern]

A 5t halberd spec would immediately just become the highest dps spec in all pvm weak to slash lmao

[restive storm]

andddddd...?

[chrome lantern]

For a weapon that costs less than 500k you think that’s a good and reasonable thing?

[restive storm]

its also locked behind a diary and many quests

[chrome lantern]

Already super easy to obtain relative to its power?

[restive storm]

as opposed to what claws? that you just buy

[chrome lantern]

What

The diary unlock is trivial

You already do the quests

[restive storm]

i have no idea what the bis slash spec weapon even is atm tbh

id assume claws

[minor whale]

Pandemonium is where your starter boat is

[restive storm]

that you just buy off the GE and have 60 atk for

[minor whale]

It's very likely just a tele to boat and tele boat to you

[sacred skiff]

Pandemonium tele is under "skilling areas" though

So I think it's just the island itself

[minor whale]

Or if you have 5 boats, the cape "tele to boat" will open all the options to tele to

[chrome lantern]

Nah because on the boat tele it specifies in the () the location of your boat

I would expect it to say something more clarifying boat to you (location)

If that were the case

But you could be right

[chrome lantern]

If you’re trying to argue that dragon claws are more accessible than a crystal halberd then you’re so extremely far removed from actually engaging with this game that I don’t think anyone can help you with that. Are you allergic to quests and have infinite money?

[restive storm]

what are you talkin ab man claws are like 40m lol

maybe in the old days when they were like 90-100 you MAY have a point

[chrome lantern]

Yeah and chally is like 500k

[restive storm]

chally also has higher reqs

so sorta makes sense

[chrome lantern]

Not in any meaningful way

[restive storm]

???

[chrome lantern]

Brother a hard diary is not difficult to do

[restive storm]

60 atk, versus like 5 quests, a diary, higher atk lvls

[chrome lantern]

There are far more people in this game with crystal halberds than dragon claws and that should be all that really needs to be said

[restive storm]

more people also have purging staves than 3a wands, so should we nerf purging staves?

[oblique mesa]

Killing those chompies is just backbreaking hard work, almost impossible for the average player

[restive storm]

and 3a wands should become bis lol

[chrome lantern]

If you are only looking at PvP then sure if you never touch a single quest ever then yeah the requirement for a chally might be nontrivial

[restive storm]

ngl that one was rough for me

so is getting 40m lol

[chrome lantern]

But if you’re already doing the quests and diaries and engaging with the game and PvM

Then you literally get the diary done accidentally aside from the compies

The relatively minor requirements for either weapon are inconsequential when you’re talking about making a 500k item that is already best in slot for lasthitting into just the best mainhand dps spec in the game

Hitting up to 130+ every 5t is not remotely inconsequential of a change, not to mention the spec being cheaper than the claws

[restive storm]

crystal would still bbe worse than nox outside of spec what are ya talking about lol

[chrome lantern]

Can get 4 specs off with a surge potion

[restive storm]

and also how is that even a problem

[chrome lantern]

The literal only thing I’ve been discussing is the spec lmao

[restive storm]

we already do unreal damage in the game lol

in that case up the spec % to 50 to match claws

ez win and theres no weird extra long delay after speccing

[chrome lantern]

Powercreep should only come from logical places with appropriate difficulties, not from absurdly buffing a spec that already has very very powerful uses in the game from a very cheap weapon for no reason

We already have specs that delay your attacks longer

[restive storm]

we probably shouldnt

cuz it feels weird

but my bad man i didnt realize i was messing with the dragon claw mafia here

[small anvil]

The pvm meta would be greatly affected

[restive storm]

oh no!

not the pvm meta that changes every update anyway

[small anvil]

Like we know you're pvp focused but what you proposed is like crazy

Chally is very strong as a spec already

It's bis spec in places

Randomly buffing it would be weird

[restive storm]

having all hallys except for the nox be 7t is already weird

lol

[small anvil]

Nox is the weird one

And it's fine

[restive storm]

i didnt hear anyone whining that it was gonna change the pvm meta when it was introduced

[upbeat moss]

Make nox hally 7t

[restive storm]

now all the zulrah bots are meleeing lol

[small anvil]

Nox was released before zulrah was vulnerable to halberds

And part of why it's good there is cuz hally spec

[chrome lantern]

A lot of people did actually voice concerns about it idk what you’re talking about lmao

And it did exactly what people were concerned about

Now Blade is even moreso dead content

[restive storm]

blades always been a meme

its like rapier

it just sucks lol

[chrome lantern]

Yeah and most people would say that’s a problem, because they chose to make rapier dead content by ignoring it and introducing the fang instead

A stronger weapon from an easier source

Which is also what nox is

[restive storm]

well yeah you dont actually expect ironmen to raid right? TOB way too hard for them to do to get a good wep

so it kinda has to suck

[chrome lantern]

?

I expect more ironmen to raid than pvpers to interact with literally any other aspect of the game

[restive storm]

like maybe 1% max of ironmen are going anywhere near TOB

so they gotta have better weapon options outside of it

otherwise they gonna whine

[chrome lantern]

1% max of the entire player base ever gets anywhere near any raid lmao

[restive storm]

yeah exactly

but mains can just buy the item

so it doesnt matter

so we have to cater to the lowest common denominator

[chrome lantern]

Even on mains the fang didn’t make sense to just kill off the rapier, that doesn’t really make sense

[restive storm]

look man im just glad fangs here so that the rev cave pvmers arent invincible by praying mage and clicking yellow

[chrome lantern]

Even if you can buy stuff on the ge the source and power levels of things still matter immensely

[restive storm]

with their 800k risk and 450 range def

[chrome lantern]

And directly influence the ge value

[merry verge]

This could be a more intuitive solution tbh @chrome lantern , I think it's a good option for balancing. If too strong at 50%, it could go to 55% or 60% even, to make up for it's new strength as a main hand wep instead of spec-only

[restive storm]

ameen

makes more sense than a slow spec

[chrome lantern]

Or we just keep the actually balanced existing spec where it is

[restive storm]

bro literally what are we gatekeeping here

who cares about a chally spec

[chrome lantern]

???

Chally is an extremely useful and important item in pvm lmao

[restive storm]

🆗

[chrome lantern]

Lasthitting is extremely useful a lot of places

[restive storm]

wow

that maybe .00001% of the game caress about

[chrome lantern]

You’re basically just saying to remove that without any other alternative

It’s very good for ToB, GGs, Zulrah, Titans, pretty much anything that phases. It’s also very good while barraging to get melee xp on your stack. It has a lot of uses all over the place.

[restive storm]

honestly the # of people in the game that care at all about last hitting things is probably less than the # that care about PVP which is wild lol

[chrome lantern]

.000001% is an arbitrary number you came up with and is not founded in anything whatsoever nor accurate lmao

[jolly abyss]

just remove pvp from the game, literally noone cares about it

[minor whale]

Changing an item designed and intended at places for efficiency just because isn't a good change

[merry verge]

I think you have a bit of a skewed sense of the OSRS playerbase 😅😆

[restive storm]

this is basically what im sayin w/ chally spec

[jolly abyss]

take the chally spec and remove pvp

good trade

[restive storm]

i mean pvp doesnt exist if u dont want it to

so may as well be gone

[jolly abyss]

y'all exist

[merry verge]

Ye this is counterargument to changing spec percentage tho, it loses that nice niche.. maybe keeping spec at 7t is the best way after all 🙂

[chrome lantern]

Serious pvmers use the chally spec on a daily basis it’s not trivial lmao

Oh also for doom punish

[merry verge]

Also can u guys stop arguing and being emotional please ur spamming so much😅

[signal kernel]

Vote for #TURTLEPET on sailing polls!

Oh wait

[chrome lantern]

[[Soup]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Soup

[signal kernel]

Omg the name is fucking Soup? I love it!

[restive storm]

🆗 make all hallys bad cuz of "serious pvmers" 👍

i yield

[jolly abyss]

i don't even know what y'all yapping about me its clearly not going anywhere

[merry verge]

This is completely nonsensical troll suggestion. PvP has like some of the highest views on vids on youtube etc.. And many people definitely care about PvP, me included.

[chrome lantern]

I literally supported making halberds 5t, just having the spec at 7t, I swear you’re being intentionally dense here

[jolly abyss]

we have a maxed ironman on tylenol vs some guy skull tricking guys at rev

[chrome lantern]

Was my entering argument

[restive storm]

hey man im on the ferox bridge rn, i do different content

im also maxing my main rn, and my pures already maxed 🫡

[merry verge]

No he just meant the spec to remain 7t which is completely fair and a good suggestion

[jolly abyss]

the c hally is a great weapon

[restive storm]

dont think ive ever owned one tbh

[jolly abyss]

cause why should you

[chrome lantern]

Also literally Jagex themselves tried to do this with the Wrathmaw AGS, it’s not like it’s an original concept or even something Jagex is opposed to, changing attack speed on specs. We already have a good handful of weapons that have different speeds on specs

[restive storm]

exactly i never needed it for any content, inferno has no use for a hally

[jolly abyss]

it is second BiS spec at alot of pvm content and easy to get

[restive storm]

pretty much the only pvm ive ever done lol

[jolly abyss]

mostly used by ironman i'd assume

[chrome lantern]

^

[jolly abyss]

i use it at zulrah, hespori, titans, ggs etc

[chrome lantern]

Hespori a good example too yeah

[jolly abyss]

doom

[restive storm]

yeah idk what they were thinking with wrathmaw lol, im a little disappointed that that was such a bad idea they just said no more wildy content updates ever after it failed tho

[jolly abyss]

its actually pretty huge at doom

[ember token]

crystal halberd is indeed a very good spec weapon for pvm

[chrome lantern]

Ye I mentioned doom a bit earlier

[restive storm]

but that also sounds like a horrible idea for a weapon

[jolly abyss]

its a good wep until u spec 0's

so why did we want it to be 5t

i aint gonna scroll up all the way

[restive storm]

cuz hallys (outside of nox) are just awful

[jolly abyss]

in pvp?

[restive storm]

in general

whens the last time u saw someone use a d hally lol

[jolly abyss]

i mean

whens the last time u saw someone use a d long

[restive storm]

i see noobs with them literally all the time

same w/ the d scazmatar

[jolly abyss]

well sure, nox hally and c hally are very commonly used weps

[restive storm]

d long is def off meta, but the d hally is SO FAR off meta that why would anyone ever use it lol

[jolly abyss]

sure noone uses d hally and below

[ember token]

dhally requires regicide which is gonna filter a bunch of noobs from using it

[small anvil]

D hally is useful when you don't have chally

[jolly abyss]

altho i've seen people use d hally at moons

[restive storm]

in my defense i refuse to go near moons after having done the quest

that place sucks so bad

[small anvil]

Like just accept you weren't familiar with it being a good weapon squints

[jolly abyss]

well thats one thing you and etube can agree on

moons sucks balls

[small anvil]

It's weird to double down on buffing something that is genuinely good already

[restive storm]

it isnt a good wep its a spec weapon with like 1 niche

that pretty much nobody cares about

[small anvil]

A spec with a niche is like the entire design ethos

Of osrs

That's horizontal progression, small niches

[jolly abyss]

bgs and dwarhammer also niche

[small anvil]

You don't randomly buff things that are already good

[jolly abyss]

c hally spec uses

[small anvil]

Like you could leave the spec at 7 tick and make the attack 5 if you really wanted to but

Why

[restive storm]

why not 🤷‍♂️

[small anvil]

Making changes just to make changes is not a good policy

[jolly abyss]

not like it will ever happen anyways

[restive storm]

thats fair, that was my take on sailing tbf

but ig we're stuck with that at this point

[jolly abyss]

i mean we can complain all we want, the mass majority of the playerbase voted in favor for sailing, it is what it is

5t c hally would never pass a vote

[restive storm]

yea just a bummer it was so poorly developed w/ the movement style and stuff

and idk i think it would def pass a vote

[small anvil]

I think they're doing a good job considering the mandate of creating a new skill

[restive storm]

who would be preventing it? like .0001% of pvmers? lol

[small anvil]

I don't think there was a need for a new skill

[jolly abyss]

ur judging a skill for being poorly development before its been released

[small anvil]

But the direction they went seems solid

[minor whale]

Squintzz you have no idea the numbers you're randomly spewing lmao

[restive storm]

off the alpha/beta yeah

it was brutal

[jolly abyss]

u seem to have very little appreciation for developers and have a very negative attitude

well thank god it was an alpha

[minor whale]

A lot of people don't want massive buffs for gear that's in a healthy place

[small anvil]

This number is so off lol

Lower than the number of gms

[minor whale]

Saying .0001% of people care is wild

[jolly abyss]

99% of percentages are made up

[restive storm]

i mean they said there were no changes to the movement from either so idk what you mean about it just being an alpha lol

[small anvil]

Chally is used frequently

It's not super obscure

And you thinking it is kinda exposes that you're not really well versed in pvm at all

[minor whale]

Guy who admits he doesn't pvm "Where do you even use it lol so niche"

[restive storm]

i think we can all agree, that we just gotta make the nox hally 7t then

[jolly abyss]

thats a troll take

[small anvil]

The truth comes out, this is pvper complaining about nhally in disguise!

[minor whale]

Does the nox hally have an extremely useful well established spec niche?

No?

Oh so entirely different scenario

[jolly abyss]

tentacle whip is like same dps as nox hally

[tacit wharf]

naw, just a poor understand on how to drive

[restive storm]

tbf i dont really care much either way, i dont think id ever use any of them

but its always a good time to rustle a few jimmies

[small anvil]

Nhally is nuts in pvp I thought

[restive storm]

slow day on the bridge

[small anvil]

People complain about it all the time

[restive storm]

it is nuts in pvp

i dont rly use it cuz i use fang for what i do

hally never gonna hit the giga tanks

[small anvil]

Be the 800m risker with oath

[restive storm]

i risk 600 when im out there

have to in order to kill the pvmers risking more than 1m

[tacit wharf]

sounds like dino food

[restive storm]

good thing he cant get on me with how i do it

[jolly abyss]

for some reason i feel like you are a very mediocore pvper

[restive storm]

i am

why else would i be skull tricking lol

i also dont want to get arthritis in my early 30s

bonds aint cheap nowadays either so gotta make some gp

[obsidian venture]

cleaves on dihns users

[restive storm]

found it to be very mid w/ 82 attack

maybe ill try on main again once thats maxed

my current focus account doesnt have infernal/dt2 rings either sadly

[obsidian venture]

I'm maxed so ye diff for me

[hard axle]

who just said nhally are useless

you need to be yeeted by a 50 + toxic proc

[merry smelt]

did we get confirmation if sigils are only available in skull store?

[lyric niche]

With the Jagex Launcher update that brought back the animated header image, does anyone else see constant GPU usage (0.8% in my case) even when the launcher is in the tray?

[rough coral]

yes, it was reported on reddit a week ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1opz2dd/the_new_graphic_on_the_jagex_launcher_is_taking/

[lyric niche]

They had reverted it for a bit so I assumed they were bringing it back after resolving that

[rough coral]

oh, haven't noticed it improving personally, but not like I've checked every day

[true talon]

Based on current system there will be no rng or sigil drops, it will be skull point unlocks.

much better system than rng drops

[merry smelt]

Yeah just curious if the PvP ones will still be tradeable and on the drop table since it said they'd stay the same as previously. Going to be some tough decisions if the same currency to unlock quest lines is used for sigils

[true talon]

Looking at the blog, there is no tradeable sigil of any kind. it will be skul point unlockable

this is good, because it was not fair to fight some RWT or gold swapping manaic who had sigil of the ninja day 1

[still sundial]

just had a thought, is the DMM bowfa recolor going to be usable on uncorrupted bowfa? cause for current recolors it has to be corrupted, but I don't think people use corrupted bowfa for PvP

[keen yacht]

Anyone know if they fixed the sailing related clue steps?

[weary copper]

my guess would be no, since there's not even a blog post

[modest ridge]

Bounty hunters down?

We cant enter the portal

[abstract dove]

gridmaster also still enabled on w590

[urban igloo]

Wtf

Cant hop to 318w and cant even enter 569w bh portal lol 😂

[rare lark]

yeah going to falador w302 bring back bounty hunter world or riot

[keen yacht]

Ah shit, that's wasted last-step master.

[wild flax]

When is bh back???

[silk thicket]

318 and 559 are down

[rare lark]

🙁

about to riot

[silk thicket]

Fr

[wild flax]

They are investegate it

[night wren]

Just got the dragon keel parts falo step again, so not fixed, another drop. Last step too fml

[analog crow]

Will we be able to use tees at the docks to boost construction to build ships?

[weary copper]

i assume the base levels are not boostable that unlock the 3 different ship styles

for example oak hull, requires different sailing levels for every individual one
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Oak_hull#Raft

[sacred skiff]

Also you can't take tea out of your house, can you?

[weary copper]

the large oak hull parts are made in the workbench in your house

that sounds boostable to me

[sacred skiff]

You can prob boost to make the parts, but you may not be able to actually assemble the parts into a boat without the sailing level

[weary copper]

the wiki also has a (b) for the rosewood hull parts

[chrome lantern]

Boosts don’t disappear when you leave the PoH, but those items do. You can still boost then leave.

[sacred skiff]

u rite

[weary copper]

with stew and crystal saw you'd look at a minimum 76 construction for rosewood

[chrome lantern]

Do we know which if any stew will boost Sailing yet?

(And if Sailing boosts do anything)

[dry fog]

@chrome lantern might be one of the drinks you can find when salvaging

[chrome lantern]

Not what I was asking

[sacred skiff]

We don't

(that I've heard)

[dry fog]

@chrome lantern why i said what i said what cause each stew is a different function ( harvesting, production, etc) sailing had all from combat harvesting and production so stew shouldnt work

[analog crow]

@vague viper Hey sorry for the ping! Just wanted to tell you that world 628 is still a f2p gridmaster world. Just confirmed it myself by logging in with my f2p alt.

[sharp cave]

Wow really? Not even a round of bug fixes?

[still sundial]

fairly certain this was answered at some point during the Q&A but I don't remember the answer. I think yes but not sure about color, wanna say orange or yellow

[urban igloo]

390w and 569w not working

[idle rapids]

We got a bug addition, LMS doesn't work on any world

[sharp cave]

lol

[meager flame]

idk if we know

but i would guess yellow

i think they would classify sailing as a utility skill

and if they do let you boost it would probably work on like shipwrecks if nothing else

[ember token]

should be yellow yes

[obsidian venture]

Appreciate the copy pasta

[red dome]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[hard umbra]

💀

[hard axle]

mfers that can't play the game with constant pop-ups and 16x multipliers 🥀

[novel egret]

bro even mentioned odablock that’s crazy

[untold gale]

Mate risk fight me for bis mage and oathplate with d claws

We see who is shit at the game

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-best-anime-ichigo-kurosaki-bleach-opening-18-bleach-tybw-part-3-gif-2305492487072479224

[novel egret]

@ember token thoughts?

[restive siren]

average oscord moment

[minor whale]

Hahahahaha

[ember token]

i think it speaks for itself

[minor whale]

"The only people who wanted a new skill are you sweats"

81% wanted a new skill

Hmmmmm

[frail bough]

81% of players are degens? Seems low tbh.

[ember token]

if you log in for more than just the seasonal gamemodes, you have no job, no life, and are also very stinky and sweaty

[frail bough]

Showers? Who is that?

[minor whale]

Unlike the dedicated people out there who matter, the ones with 13 wives and 110 children and 7 jobs to hold down

They can only play 1 picosecond of this game every week and it needs to cater to them

[tawny scaffold]

According to the polls. Ask the entire player base that subscribes within a one year period of time.

[frail bough]

Just stop bro lol

[minor whale]

Brother if you can't log in to vote on a poll that lasts a week, I'm sorry you really don't have much say in the game lmao

It takes 30 seconds

You can do it on mobile while taking a piss

[undone meteor]

Why dont we keep things on topic here fellas

No need for bashing eachother

[chrome lantern]

I thought it was actually a joke from someone who knew Data or something tbh

Why was he even tagged

[frail bough]

He's a sweat

[tawny scaffold]

It was 2 days ago but I work and didnt have the time till now.

[tacit wharf]

mhmm

[ember token]

its because i said something to him the other day on the topic

[ionic tartan]

IRC sweats were proportionally more against sailing more than the casual 13 wife 110 children 7 job people (https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Sailing_Poll_Results_Summary) "Those above 2101 total levels were generally sitting at around 62% ‘Yes’ votes."

[ember token]

he used up his 5 minutes of free time a week to write up the comment and ping me

[chrome lantern]

Also interesting to say that the sweats are controlling the votes when polls are by far dominated by casuals who barely, if at all, read polls

[tawny scaffold]

Can you prove that with fact?

[tacit wharf]

can you?

[ionic tartan]

Check sailing poll breakdown. "Those above 2101 total levels were generally sitting at around 62% ‘Yes’ votes." (https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Sailing_Poll_Results_Summary)

[frail bough]

With a little chatgpt, anything is possible!

[ionic tartan]

Aka, more casuals control the vote than the sweats, sailing wouldn't have passed if sweats dominated polls.

[tacit wharf]

always interesting when one side of anythings ask for another to provide proof, without providing proof themselves

[vernal valve]

THEIR barbaric anecdotal claims
OUR enlightened observational awareness

[tacit wharf]

indeed

[tawny scaffold]

Those ABOVE 2101 total levels were generally sitting at around 62% yes votes means the majority was for sailing.

[tacit wharf]

polls say that claim is correct, most are for sailing

[vernal valve]

which is still less than the % of lower level players that voted yes, correct

[restive siren]

which also means the more casual community dominated the poll

[vernal valve]

or put another way, if only "sweats" could vote, sailing would fail

[restive siren]

which is the opposite of your claim

[tawny scaffold]

What's the total above 2101 that voted, and what's the total count of lower that voted?

Percents only tell you a portion of the total. Not what the actual count is.

[restive siren]

in the same blog

[tawny scaffold]

Make sure you provide all sources please.

[restive siren]

sweats do not dominate polls

[frail bough]

Sailing out next Wednesday, you can quit before it comes out

[restive siren]

its the literal same blog that was linked to you

[tawny scaffold]

Bro its already happened

[chrome lantern]

“Sweats” both voted far less proportionately in favor of the skill and make up a lower portion of the player base

[tawny scaffold]

But how many total voted in each category?

[restive siren]

look

at the image

[tawny scaffold]

Ads up everyone over 1800 and r everyone below 1800

[chrome lantern]

What do you define as a sweat

[restive siren]

1800 totals are sweats now

[chrome lantern]

I know many many people even with high total levels that are very casual

[restive siren]

ok this conversation is pointless

intellectually disingenuous to the max

[frail bough]

We define sweat as whatever makes the argument correct!

[tawny scaffold]

I was angry when I said sweat. I just mean people who have membership through the whole year and fine time daily to play. I would love to. But leagues is so much more fun. Similar to poe but nostalgic. Sorry I even got mean. Im just not a pvp fan

[ember token]

when you dont play the game, 1800 total is gonna seem like a lot

[frail bough]

Woah look at that goalpost move, damn. So speedy!

[chrome lantern]

I’ll be frank, voting requirements are already way too low and the direction of the game shouldn’t be controlled by people that don’t regularly play it

[tawny scaffold]

But all players are the player base whether your pride let's you believe it or not.

[frail bough]

Which is why the new poll updates are, or can be, goated

[obsidian venture]

Gotta restrict more tbh

[chrome lantern]

I don’t value the opinion of someone with 20 kc on a boss for polls on that boss either

[tawny scaffold]

Yeah bosses for sure now I think about it. Youre logic there makes sense

[chrome lantern]

Why should it be any different for the game at large

[tawny scaffold]

Well sailing is available at 1 if youre a memver

So all players should vote

[restive siren]

and still, the more casual the player the more likely they were to vote for sailing

[frail bough]

20+ hespori kc for any update. Why? Because demonic digger that's why.

[chrome lantern]

Ok but if you have 500 total you don’t have valuable insights on the things being polled

[obsidian venture]

Waiting to see how they restrict future polls

[frail bough]

Most things*

[chrome lantern]

And guess what, voting reqs are even lower than that

[tawny scaffold]

How do you know its not someone who played before and just doesn't have insight on most bosses.

[obsidian venture]

Easy to tell tbh

Peep main and peep their arguments if any

[chrome lantern]

If they played before in any meaningful capacity that would have higher stats wouldn’t they

Than current minimum voting reqs

[tawny scaffold]

Either way it the same character on the server. 500ilvl is 500ilvl. Only in real life he has the insight and none of us know each other unless chosen.

[frail bough]

And if they lost access or got banned, rip. Train and vote on the next one

[chrome lantern]

Then he can vote on his account that has the requirements

frick mobile autocorrect

[ionic tartan]

Going by the graph https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Sailing_Poll_Results_Summary#/media/File:Sailing_Poll_Results_Summary_(4).png, I don't think minimum voters make much difference either. It looks like engagement in polls really tick up starting from 1200 ttl, and almost doubles again from 1500+ ttl.

[tawny scaffold]

Not if they started it the day before. So since none of us know anything about laws, why do we vote on them and they effect our world, or at least my country.

18-100 doesn't matter just vote

[obsidian venture]

What

[chrome lantern]

If they started the day before then they don’t have current insights

What

[obsidian venture]

This is why people need to be gatekept more

[chrome lantern]

“What if they played before”
“What if they had actually just started playing”

That’s what you just wrote

[hard axle]

?

The data was separated so we could see which group had teh biggest impact, but they didn't impact the vote what

[chrome lantern]

I have no idea what point you’re even trying to make either

OSRS Polls aren’t a republic where you elect lawmakers

[obsidian venture]

We aren’t ignorant. You’re simply speaking nonsense and hoping something sticks

[tawny scaffold]

No youre not getting it. Why can't all people vote in osrs but all of use can in real life?

[obsidian venture]

Useless comparison

No need to entertain bait

[restive siren]

utterly ridiculous comparison yes

[tawny scaffold]

You want the demographic changes so the best only can. Thats like separating rich from poor.

[hard axle]

because having a 500 total level is the bare requirement and is fair

it's not different than being 18 y/o to vote

[tawny scaffold]

They're talking about raising it

[restive siren]

also you can only vote when you are 18 and most of those people have gone to schools for like 12 of those years

so thats the equivalent to having a lot of experience in the game

[hard axle]

Yes, because right now, it's like the equivalent of a 5 year old can vote

300-500 total level is obnoxiously low

[obsidian venture]

🥱

[restive siren]

its different in every country but the point still stands

someone who spent 5 or even 100 hours in osrs shouldnt vote on things they have absolutely no understanding of

[chrome lantern]

Not all people can even vote in real life either. There are citizenship requirements.

[restive siren]

and frankly some people shouldnt vote on things in real life either but thats a different conversation

[chrome lantern]

Also residence

[hard axle]

same reason why presidents have to be 35 minimum. it's fucking stupid to allow a 14 year old to be president

[obsidian venture]

🥱

[restive siren]

oh its one of those guys

great

[chrome lantern]

So by your own statement that’s corrupt, then? Meaning it shouldn’t be/isn’t legally allowed?

Why would we do that in OSRS then

[obsidian venture]

[frail bough]

😄

[obsidian venture]

[chrome lantern]

Regardless, this has gone far beyond the scope of on-topic. It seems you’ve settled on an arbitrary notion that isn’t supported by data about a skill that will be releasing in less than a week and won’t be changing. You agree that people shouldn’t be voting on things they’re not informed about (e.g. bosses they haven’t killed in notable amounts).

[indigo tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/escape-bye-leaving-break-out-freedom-gif-16077483

No politics

Reminder that there is a polling charter that describes how OldSchool RuneScape polls work.

[thick beacon]

what are the new requirements they are planning on raising it to?

[chrome lantern]

They haven’t said anything about raising polling reqs

Just talked about the new system letting them put restrictions on certain questions a lot easier

[ember token]

the base reqs are the same but they have the ability to have a variety of reqs to specific questions

[thick beacon]

ye thats fine im in favor of that but what would be new reqs for those questions? like how experinced would u have to be to say i dont know vote on yama contract mehcnaical changes or tob etc

[ember token]

depends on the question

if they were to poll changing the cox capes to count normal mode KC, you'd probably need at minimum 100 CM kc if not like, 250+ or 500+

[thick beacon]

alright ye that doesint sound to bad then

I figured they might give u a pass if u have like 1kc

[chrome lantern]

I unfortunately doubt Jagex will do anything more than like 10 or 20kc

I think their example of the new polling system said like 20 in their example

[thick beacon]

at the very least being able to vote on those changes with those reqs is a pretty big jump then off of turt island

[round lintel]

Imagine if RS3 removes EoC and use the old combat system

I was too naive to think that when I started watching the new video of the MTX removal hahah

[ember token]

very naive lol

theyre not trying to make RS3 into OSRS3

[analog crow]

you can do this today if you want

nobody is forcing you to engage with abilities

[ember token]

plus EoC is far from being like how it was over a decade ago

[round lintel]

Idk why when they started saying in the horizon of updates "Combat" was part of it in my heart thats what I felt

[analog crow]

that's some copium

[round lintel]

I didnt quit rs3 because of MTX I quit due to EoC

Then Osrs started and played day 1

stopped for years until 2016

[frail bough]

That cosmetic toggle though

A shame that osrs won't get that built in for kits imo.

[meager flame]

i mean i think the polling requirements should be way way higher but

its obvious that its just as much about marketing and being able to say its community driven

its always been a bit of a sham though like yeah we do vote on changes but we don't decide what they choose to put on polls

i feel like we rarely vote on something thats like

controversial or something where they really want to know what the community thinks

they kind of design their questions and goals with what they think people would agree with and often go to some length to setup the narrative the way they want people to think about it

before we ever see the poll

its still good that they have to so heavily consider though even if the actual part where people vote is kind of a joke at this point

[thick beacon]

I agree with that in the past but I think them lowering the pass thershold and sailing is prob best example of them trying to try something creative and with alot of debate

they tried releasing runious powers to for the most part they are playing safe but not always safe

[abstract smelt]

Not really sure where to post this tbh. Tried to fill in the new survey and the extra comment bit but had an issue. If you use the wasd camera plugin then it messes up your typing in the comments but of the survey

[tacit wharf]

did u turn it off

and see if it works

[chrome lantern]

I did not have any issues with that and I also use the Camera plugin with WASD camera

Also even if that were an issue it would be a RuneLite issue and should be handled in their discord, which can be accessed from the official RuneLite website (linked on the OSRS official homepage)

[quiet plank]

I think ornament kits are good

[frail bough]

Ew

[true talon]

Its funny to see OSRS voting play out like all other voting XD

[wet forge]

Jagex great work on the DDOS attacks, looks like you're doing amazing stuff - do we have any updates as to when we can expect playable servers in the LATAM/SAM/CAM regions please? 78MS to East Coast US is not ideal. Thanks.

[fathom fulcrum]

[chrome lantern]

78ms is more than good lol

I’ve moved around a good bit and there is almost no difference between 20 and 90 ping

Anything under like 120 is more than fine tbh

[upbeat moss]

78ms lol

[ember token]

if you guys are getting that good ping already then i’d say pretty much any other region should be getting new servers before yours does

[gusty stratus]

are death runes on the GE currently broken? somethings wonky

[chrome lantern]

In what sense

[gusty stratus]

the last price update is from 40 minutes ago. and the ge is acting like im the only one selling

every item ive looked at is from 40 minutes ago, but i know ive managed to trade lobster within that time

[chrome lantern]

Sounds like an issue with websites/plugins/APIs though

Not really a game bug

[gusty stratus]

ive listed two differing issues

i should probably add to that, sorry. i wasnt able to buy a death rune with 5000 coins

[chrome lantern]

I see

That’s new information for sure

[minor whale]

Did you hit buy limit?

[gusty stratus]

f

[hard axle]

78

I actually prefer 80-110

Hence played on UK worlds for years

Stability also matters more than ping before 300 ms

[minor whale]

They buy, seems trackers are down

[hard axle]

unstable Ping might as well be 2000 ms

[gusty stratus]

wait, so you can sell youself items outside of the limit?

[chrome lantern]

Yea

Limits are for buying only and are item-specific

[gusty stratus]

i mean you can buy from yourself over the limit

bought from myself for 68000g. guessing it wouldn't not show up on the trackers though, even if they were up

yeah, im playing osrs because other games are 300ms for me, from australia. enemies with dodge mechanics just become super hard or undodge-able

unrelated, but the Chain from A Taste of Hope says "That Sailing item is unavailable on this world." when attempting to pick it up off the floor (not gamebreaking, but it can be collected and banked 1 by 1)

[sharp cave]

#game-news message

So this is the reason I've had 50% higher ping over the last month

[autumn hound]

@everyonecome yell @ me in cammy vid chat what to do for fight caves

canafis

[tacit wharf]

u ok?

[obsidian venture]

[sly basin]

???

[meager flame]

he was simply asking for 59,000 people to help him do the fight caves duh

[idle rapids]

weird, I guess they confused it for the new chain from sailing (which apparently shares the same sprite/name)

I'd send a report in to jagex if you havent already

also that chain has had a typo for 7 years which is fun

[vivid ruin]

Hope devs dont forget to add sailing to clan events

[frail bough]

🙂

[torpid stag]

Are we going to be able to bless our ships with holy elixer?

Seems like good idea to make use of not so used now item

[gritty drum]

Is the account recovery update still on track for the end of fall/autumn this year? Seeing if I should keep my hopes up for now.

[mental vault]

coming from China, I would kill for 78. I get 165 to USW and AUS on a good day, and everything else is rather unplayable

[tender nacelle]

Will bird nests drop the new seeds once sailing releses?

[tacit wharf]

nobody knows

[tender nacelle]

Got it. Wasn't sure if it had been confirmed anywhere.

[tacit wharf]

only confirmation was that they for sure wont if you bought/have them already

[tender nacelle]

Yeah. Planning to just sit on these mole parts and trade them in after the update to be safe.

[tacit wharf]

and honestly i hope they dont, at least not for a bit after release

[tender nacelle]

I get it.

[hard axle]

Will gryphons be counted as birds on slayer tasks

Like cerb is counted as dogs

[sacred skiff]

You have to kill 2 per 1 kc though since they’re only half bird

[minor whale]

Cerb now counts as 3 dogs
Gryphons are half a bird

[sharp cave]

Wasn't arraxor supposed to be araxite task only and it ended up releasing with spiders as a valid task too?

Something something they were not "technically spiders" but I guess they changed their mind

[tacit wharf]

think they said that so that people would go out and pre-load a spider task

wouldnt*

[sharp cave]

Hmm maybe lol

[scenic ibex]

Iirc you didn't need a task or the slayer lvl at all to kill arraxor at all on release. Rendi has a video of him killing it on that lvl 3 he has.

[chrome lantern]

You still need a task

He got a spider task (needed to enter) then couldn't attack it (requires slayer level) and recoiled it down

[idle rapids]

If its like old nests probably not

Theres several discontinued versions of bird nests from before new seeds came out

[tender nacelle]

I saw that note about the farming guild release, but it talked about seed nests that were already in game

[idle rapids]

New item for my discontinued stash

[tender nacelle]

But I'm wondering if its different if I get the nests after release

[idle rapids]

Probably but hard to say at this point

[tender nacelle]

Will report back on Wednesday 👍

[round lintel]

Bunch of visual bugs around the game since the sailing integration last week xd

[minor whale]

That's a z-buffer issue

Bugged with them adding in new z-buffer rendering when they took down the beta new renderer

[bronze kernel]

If you're on Runelite, try downloading the Legacy GPU plugin

[round lintel]

that fixed it

[wicked sluice]

On official client you can toggle zbuffer with command “::zbuf [0/1]”

[craggy wind]

Wait why does this work

I’m not sure what it’s all changing, and it’s not 100% fixing issues, but the glory and ground items show up and my Tzhaar horde go under the floor.

[sharp cave]

its going to fix some things and break others, its frankly horrible advice

[idle rapids]

game bug: if you start making fine fish offcuts while moving, your character does the animation but never makes any

[wicked sluice]

0 turns off the zbuffering, and 1 turns it on. They made a change 1-2 weeks back, that enabled zbuffering. Zbuffering is supposed to render graphics a bit better, but it’s still a bit buggy since it’s new. Turning it off should fix any new graphical issues that occurred in last 1-2 weeks, but it’s a downgrade tech wise.
When they fix all the Zbuffering bugs, having it enabled should theoretically be a better experience. I don’t know if it will even be toggleable in the future.

[craggy wind]

It’s also defaulted to back on when you log off / back on, so maybe they have that as a double check while they progress or something.

But good to know, appreciate the explanation @wicked sluice

[stone cloak]

Update happening before the content actually releases is pretty nice I think
Everyone gets a chance to log in and not have to worry about the servers petrifying themselves while trying to race for world firsts

[shadow wave]

I personally think it's really cool that they can just turn on a skill whilst the servers are online

[restive siren]

Its nice tech ye

[restive siren]

servers will absolutely shit themselves regardless dw

[jagged marsh]

The rollout is to ensure the servers do not shit themselves. Jagex Launcher is a different story.

[jagged marsh]

Iirc all the content and whatnot is already in the game, it's just tied to a global server flag which enables the Pandemonium quest

After that, you can get a boat

[restive siren]

It will help the login servers, the world servers will still absolutely shit themselves when 100k+ people will all be in the same spot on the map

i wouldnt count on decent performance or playability in the first couple of hours

[jagged marsh]

The stress test might've helped with that

[restive siren]

ye might have, just speaking from other mmos who have dealt with similar things, it never runs smooth

and this is more or less jagex first attempt at something this big

[shadow wave]

I mean Gridmaster launched extremely smoothly and that's thousands of people suddenly spawning at Lumby

[frail bough]

Literal complaints that it was too smooth because people assumed 2 hour delay and there wasn't any. Rip

[summer creek]

Will it be possible to use antique lamps on the sailing skill?

[restive siren]

not for 2 weeks

[chrome lantern]

Did they ever say 2 weeks specifically?

But yeah no lamps on release

[restive siren]

yeah was linked somewhere by plinxy

[idle rapids]

so after 2 weeks whoever has the most dark relics and exp lamps banked gets a huge jump? lol

Thats kinda lame, should be after first 200m

Not that I think people have been farming out a ton of CoX in preparation, so it probably won't matter

[analog crow]

After first 99 maybe
But jagex should never give any consideration to post 99 xp beyond listing them on the high scores

[ember token]

the race to 200m isnt gonna be decided by who had more banked lamps imo

[idle rapids]

Yeah it won't be the decider, but if some1 like rank 1 cox went for 99 he would have 5m exp in dark relics alone, assuming he hasn't used any

[frail bough]

Are there other ways to store dark relics other than deaths coffer? If not then theoretical max, including inventory would be like 730k xp

After that I think the only other "concern" is frog tokens and it feels quite unlikely that the person who would end up getting 200m would end up having enough frog tokens to matter

[hasty shard]

everyone getting 200m just decides to never hit it

[idle rapids]

Yea good point I forgot theres a cap on how much of an item you can have in deaths coffer

The frog tokens should be negligible even if you've been saving them since osrs launch lol

I have like 10 random event exp lamps saved up sometimes its too annoying to deathbank it

[meager flame]

yeah its best for jagex to just ignore the 200m race im ngl

whatever goes on with that level of degen its probably not something they should even be worried about lmao

its more interesting anyways tbh if they just let those guys do whatever sweaty crazy people shit they can come up with

[distant sigil]

can we please get an npc that i can pay to bale noted flax for like 300 gp each?

[heavy ledge]

See game suggestions https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1401520376873357362

[true talon]

Me trying to figure out what bale of flax is lol

[round lintel]

too much time at doom

[placid moth]

Countdown until sailing is up?

[kind surge]

on the wiki

[chrome lantern]

It’s really really disappointing to me that Jagex saw, “Hey, Frost Dragons suck more than we intended!” and their solution was to bloat the slayer task list even further instead of just making Dragon metal sheets more common

Even with the slayer helm, you’re not making the grind better by much if you still have to kill an obscene number of them lmao

Now we’re stuck with the same awful experience of grinding the sheets, but our task list will be slightly worse off afterward compared to currently

[sour quest]

It’s time

[uncut violet]

Hoist the colors

[meager flame]

ya its kinda cringe that their solution was wow frost dragons suck so we're gonna let you kill more of them on task

lmao i do not honestly think that addresses the problem people will have with it

[balmy venture]

Which channel will be used to report any bugs if we find them

[rose remnant]

You may also want to consider reporting them to us via Discord in the ‘Sailing’ channel. This is because Discord’s functionality includes the ability for users to upload images or files, which can be useful to us when we identify bugs or issues. Please note, tagging individual staff members outside of the Community Management team is not required and may disrupt their work.

Reading is hard yo

[meager flame]

dw it'll probably be adjusted further

idk why we're apparently going to go through this process but lol

they're gonna go from "wow this takes too long" to "wow this still takes too long even with a slayer helm on"

so i can only really assume they'll also change rates

maybe they'll spice it up and get toxic by changing rates only on task or something so people go point boost or skip for it

[weary copper]

#1435267582516134040

[meager flame]

look forward to seeing all 500k of my brothers killing frost dragons with me tho

[chrome lantern]

Just as a baseline statement though, slayer task weight adjustment feels like an especially bad way to go about it. Could easily have made it 30 more on-task rather than increasing weight

[meager flame]

oh yeah the slayer solution is like

maximum collateral changes

idk why they would go that way

[chrome lantern]

The task weight is also still so low that nobody at all is probably going to be doing all of them on task unless they’re burning tens or hundreds of thousands of slayer points

Because at a weight of 5 you’re not going to save time tskipping for those

[meager flame]

ya im kind of assuming people will go for the two tasks or

all of us will just be in a somewhat small looking room trying to kill the dragons

hopefully they anticipated adding extra rooms

[chrome lantern]

To be clear, I don’t want the task list blighted with another high-weight task either. Make it an optionally-unlocked task like Lizardmen, or group it under Blue Dragons

[meager flame]

i mean they just seem to want us to bottleneck in there with anyone else trying to grind

it might be really bad

depending on how many dragons are available

[chrome lantern]

It just feels like they very intentionally setup an environment where any sane ironman won’t touch it for weeks and hope it gets adjusted like Mixology

[meager flame]

i mean it just depends

if its terrible we'll just go get 99 with rune equipment instead of even engaging

which is probably pretty poorly designed

or it'll be decent enough for a few upgrades

[chrome lantern]

Sure maybe a sheet or two for hook or something

But a keel? Nah

First, Mod Husky gets asked about the Dragon sheet grind and brings up literally grinding tens of thousands of demons for Radiant Oathplate contracts, then, the very same Sailing dev team writes in their blog that testing showed the grind was longer than they would like

I have zero optimism

For that one aspect in particular, that is

[winged mantle]

Rip falo step

[fair ice]

Do we think we can do tears for Sailing xp now

[chrome lantern]

Not for two weeks

Also wouldn’t expect that to work later either without having done the Pandemonium quest, similar to how you can’t lamp con or herb before buying a house or doing druidic ritual

[rigid jungle]

The karambwan fishing spot is gone

[knotty herald]

it does that until some people go through the Shaikahan cutscene

that spot being permanent is the actual bug

[chrome lantern]

Doesn’t it just spawn somewhere else and just move around initially

[meager flame]

yeah

[chrome lantern]

Just saying it’s there

[rigid jungle]

oh. thanks 🙂

[meager flame]

it just follows where it would've been until it gets stuck again

[winged mantle]

I need to make a simpsons meme about this

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it happens literally every server reset

[knotty herald]

The spot from the cutscene moves to where the real spots go and eventually the whole place is full of them

[winged mantle]

don't make me tap the sign - "the karambwan spot will return to normal soon"

[nocturne solstice]

happens every update too

[slender wharf]

Gim highscores sum of total level does not include sailing level yet

[ember token]

think that was just fixed

[torpid delta]

yep, we ran into a couple of snags with releasing the updated GIM Hiscores but that's sorted now

[chrome lantern]

PSA for anyone wondering

[ember token]

already heard someone dismantle it the old way and lose their inferno cape

[chrome lantern]

Old way?

[ember token]

at mac

[round lintel]

Someone beat us on 2350 worlds

xddd

[chrome lantern]

Honestly didn't even know that was a thing

Uhm

Did they change NPC contact?

It does the animation before asking who you're talking to

It used to always bring up the menu, then do the cast animation

[round lintel]

why can i not see my boat?

[tacit wharf]

turn off legacy gpu

[round lintel]

oh

[tender lichen]

man something aint happy it keeps crashing my client

[chrome lantern]

I'm in first in the clan

[rocky plover]

turn off 117 btw

[old chasm]

this. was having the crashing issues myself. Turns out it was this. GPU seems to be fine

[rocky plover]

It actually crashed my whole pc

[old chasm]

oh damn!

[lost moon]

Yea same here

[winged crescent]

2x pc freezes that's crazy lmfao

entity hider does nothing either

[rocky plover]

turn off 117 if you're using it

[lost moon]

I knew i shouldnt have gotten up right at launch lmao

[lost moon]

Ill try that thanks

[dreamy vapor]

I accidentally teleported away from pandemonium before finishing the quest. How do I get back?

[lone flare]

are we live yet

[lost moon]

Turn on gpu everyone its much smoother

[lone flare]

did we get fishing trawler yet

sailing*

[chrome lantern]

Holy rank 1

[lost moon]

Yes its live now

[lost moon]

Hell yea

[chrome lantern]

(I'm the only one dumb enough to relog)

[delicate bough]

https://imgur.com/a/OGaoT73

So where is the helm?

[rocky plover]

turn off legacy gpu plugin

it doesn't seem to render the boats

[delicate bough]

Thanks... Just gotta remember to switch back to legeacy if im doing combat xD

[granite jewel]

i have teleported away fron pandor island during quest and i have no way of getting back tips tryed charter does not work

[stark burrow]

boats getting stuck?

[nocturne solstice]

unstuck it, or teleport away and teleport boat to you

[ember token]

reverse

[ancient ember]

For anyone getting stuck:
*If you are at the dock, right-click the Gangplank to leave, and then relog
*If you are out at sea, right-click the Tiller and click 'Escape', and then relog. This will cause you to lose any cargo in your hold but will reset the ship.

[lone flare]

this shit is tough. i hope we get a quest guide

if i have to actually read the quest diary its already aids

[spring quiver]

so what the answer if the salvaging hook doesn't deploy in the pandemonium quest. (you can no longer use the helm at this point)

[lone flare]

dunno lets finish quest first. why no guide on release i dont know

[tacit wharf]

we dont get quest guides on release

[lone flare]

so they want us flopping around struggling to get the privilege to train a skill?

release the skill and add a 'tutor' so the people that don't do quests can get on with it

L on this one Jamflex

[ember token]

lol

[viral belfry]

The quest is the tutor, do the quest 🙂

[tacit wharf]

weird take on a quest matey

[lone flare]

???? locking a skill or a piece of the game vehind npc dialogue? thats so weird in itself

[tacit wharf]

could be nice if the port master in musa would stay put

[ember token]

i think theyre trolling

[lone flare]

jagex is definitely trolling

[viral belfry]

Yeah I should have gotten that at first lol

[lone flare]

having the time of their life

[tacit wharf]

just going to toss it up to self impoed skill issue

[lone flare]

lol

[ember token]

ever hear of druidic ritual?

[lone flare]

x2 moronic moves from jamflex

[spring quiver]

um the salvaging hook can get stuck in the tutor quest. (tele, world hope have both not fixed)

[lone flare]

went to the shipyard and teled. now how to get there????

Stop making this in the slightest challenging, jamflex

[nocturne solstice]

You dont need it for the tutorial quest so have you tried turning it back into a cargo hold and finishing the quest first?

[spring quiver]

being on will and anne's boat. yes it is

[nocturne solstice]

ah that part, what happens when you click it?

[dusk fossil]

I'm using 117, gonna disable it now, but I've had 1 driver timeout and 1 system crash in a sailing heavy area. Will report back with it disabled. On AMD

[spring quiver]

we stand around well the hook doesn't drop

[viral belfry]

disabling fixes it

[nocturne solstice]

Do you get a red x for the click?

[spring quiver]

yes

i can send you a pic if you want it

[nocturne solstice]

very strange, make a post in https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1435267698979242145

[spring quiver]

seem that i am not the only that this is happening to, as there is already a bug report on the issue.

[tacit wharf]

mine bugged as well but i was put back on the boat and was able to operate the salvagine hook again

[spring quiver]

try that. didn't work

[stray inlet]

anyones game working with 117?

[tacit wharf]

turn it off

[nocturne solstice]

turn it off

[chrome lantern]

Holy banana

[round lintel]

how do i get to pandemoneum?

[tropic kelp]

start in port sarim

[restive siren]

sail there or take the boat in sarim

[round lintel]

I finished the quest

Teled out

[winged mantle]

surely they add a quick withdraw to cargo. it feels so clunky to engage with sailing

[round lintel]

I cant use the teleport to ship

[lunar hawk]

Is sailing out?

[round lintel]

and idk how to get to pandemoneum

[restive siren]

take

the boat

in sarim

[stray inlet]

get there by the quest

[restive siren]

good lord the reading comprehension today

[chrome lantern]

The guy that goes to Musa Point in Port Sarim also goes to/from Pandemonium

[round lintel]

Ok

[tropic kelp]

recover it in a different port

[round lintel]

Thank you

[tropic kelp]

if you just wanna get your shipü

[narrow folio]

is recovering it free?

[restive siren]

250 gp or smth

[tropic kelp]

250gp ye

[narrow folio]

nice

[tropic kelp]

pretty cheap

[lunar hawk]

Sailing pet drop rate is bugged

Everyone’s getting it under lvl 10

[nocturne solstice]

im 19 now and i havent gotten it

its so over

[swift coral]

Anyone else keep watching the sailing HiScore board?

[round lintel]

early lvls so slow

[tacit wharf]

??

[round lintel]

Like Ship wrecking is veeery slow

haha

[tacit wharf]

well ya its not ment to be super fast

[ember token]

yeah not worth doing salvaging right away

[restive siren]

The afk method is slow no way

Insertshockedface

[viral belfry]

how am I supposed to get rank 1 if the afk method is so slow

[round lintel]

Oh look at me, Im soo funny cuz i can type sarcastic stuff out of context 🙂

[lunar hawk]

Wha ya the afk method

[shut dew]

Did you guys forget to add ring of charos to pandemonium charter fees?

[lone flare]

quest guide- waiting

[round lintel]

When someone with Ann's Ship is ahead of you, it stops you from moving

is that intentional or bug?

@torpid delta

[chrome lantern]

Something seems to not work here

I can't interact with this at all lmao

Apparently I can interact with it only while navigating

[sacred skiff]

Have we seen if the new hops seeds can come from seed packs or master farmers?

[tacit wharf]

ive heard they show up from neither

[sacred skiff]

ooh

[light granite]

has anyone figured out where to get hemp seeds

[edgy lion]

I'm not seeing any of the random events or the whirlpools while sailing.... is there a solution for this? I have tried turning off GPU, don't have legacy GPU or 117 installed, and I even tried creating a default profile and resetting the browser.... Nothing works

[tacit wharf]

u need to complete that area's charting

to get gental rapids

[edgy lion]

how about random events?

[tacit wharf]

make sureu dont have them turned off in entity hider

[edgy lion]

yep

[tacit wharf]

and then pay attention while sailing

[edgy lion]

I am dude

[tacit wharf]

personally only seen 2 so far, both the blue shimer u have to follow

[edgy lion]

I hear the audio queue they just don't show up

that did solve the gentle rapids situation though, thank ya fella

[ember token]

they generally show up ahead of you in the distance

some are less obvious like strong winds you have to sail into

[jovial osprey]

can i hide other peoples boats?

[near pebble]

Anyone know how to get river lum crate?

[mild saddle]

Where is sailing discussion happening? Just wanted to check-in on how it’s going but doesn’t seem to be any action in the channels I checked

Nvm had sailing chat muted and that hid it

[tacit wharf]

need to use a raft

[cold kindle]

wher do i get the spyglass?

[tacit wharf]

cargohold bottom left

[cold kindle]

ty didnt know that was clickable. tysvm

[subtle merlin]

im done, i will wait a few days to interact with sailing...

[amber karma]

I've pickpocketed the farming guild Master Farmer a few hundred times. Either the new seeds are extremely rare (Wildblood hop is 1/142 for reference) or it doesnt drop here

dunno if jagex confirmed this already or if it's all hearsay

[sacred skiff]

Has anyone seen the like current in the ocean that has a bar ticking down over it? And then it moves?

What's that?

[tacit wharf]

trolling

location

[sacred skiff]

ahh gotcha

[tacit wharf]

no seed packs, no build nests, no master farmers

why would they want you to not interact with new content when they've said they want you to interact with the new content

[amber karma]

I could see the argument where they integrate it with existing content

idk why that's a stretch at all

[tacit wharf]

they said they dont want to

[short hill]

What is happening with tthis game. I went ot change my max cape back to original from (dizana's and imbued zamorak cape) got back only 1.8mil bit not the orginal capes like you supose to get atleast the website told. So the question is what iom supose to do now?

[amber karma]

doesnt hurt to check, it's not like they confirmed it anyways

hence why i'm posting here 🙂

[tacit wharf]

u didnt use a knife on it?

[short hill]

no? i asumed u can just go to mac wich sells cape and change it with him but no