game-update

[ember token]

my bank value is going back up... nature is healing...

[zinc galleon]

the market is a scam, it's all controlled by big money

[keen sequoia]

The only thing that cant lost value in the bank is the gp itself no?

[zinc galleon]

I suppose all of it can lose value, maybe I'm not sure what you mean. I was also kind of making a joke about the actual irl stock market being a scam.

[keen sequoia]

I mean that having ur gp invested in items its more risky than just having a pile of gp

[analog crow]

Mobile is loading very slowly right now. Like 10 seconds to load a chunk.

[fleet oxide]

Is the Steam client not working at all?

[half adder]

do we have a sailing cape emote out?

[zinc galleon]

good question, not sure. would be an interesting thing for someone to collect data on

[radiant sun]

ye then u get 99 sailing then yes

[half adder]

Shhhh. Nobody takes a fan boy pfp serious.

[kind tide]

It'll just be listed as the "Skillcape" emote right? So it's probably implemented but we don't know what it looks like

[heavy ledge]

I just noticed that my character is moving to the center of the flag on the minimap. Have they always done that? I swear it used to be the base

[vivid ruin]

I hope an obnoxious sized boat spawns and your character sits in the crows nest for a few seconds

[heavy ledge]

I'm always a fan of slightly obnoxious pets/emotes/etc ngl

like the stompers

[heavy ledge]

Also the agility icons around the zeah essence mine definitely moved north cuz they're off-center now

[true talon]

Stonks. im telling you now is good time to pick up good end game gear

[chrome pier]

I think jagex broke the game with the update this week, theres now only 2 walls to fix in swan song, i still need to fix 3 more but now they arent there because of the sailing gear added

[chrome lantern]

This is known and acknowledged

[ember token]

also has been hotfixed according to the update blog

[true talon]

Ye they broke a lot of stuff, i expect a lot to be broken lol.

Sailing is more than a skill change

ITs a travel change, it has to work with literally aspect of the game now.

[chrome pier]

Ok relogged and now 3 walls are broken in the instance

so its completeable but buggy

[heavy ledge]

I now definitively remember that they used to move to the base of the flag, cuz I would use that to make sure I'm on the correct side of a fence line when clicking on the minimap

[minor whale]

Yeah the flag change on minimap doesn't affect where your character goes but it looks weird as hell for sure

I think almost every icon on minimaps got shifted a little bit

[heavy ledge]

Yeah that's what I was guessing but too lazt to try and confirm it lol

[velvet orchid]

Do we know if 2350 worlds are going live on sailing release? I think that could be really cool for the people rushing sailing who are maxed they get a lil treat of a less maxed out world for a day or so

[thick beacon]

they did this with demonic gorrilas when farming guild seeds came out i think/newer ones

[meager flame]

idk about bosses but i do suspect seed packs miscellania etc will be updated

because it would just be incredibly weird if they werent and they have been in the past

plus they sort of have to in a way

it would be super awkward if sailing soft locked somehow because you couldn't get access to a new npc to make a sail or whatever for awhile

and you just had to do something weird for exp to get in there

i'd also suspect things like master farmers

[thick beacon]

ye i think they definitely will update older npcs and some stuff to drop it

dags been in game since release and they now drop snapegrass seeds which didint exist untill much later

[fossil mural]

Huasca still only drops from like 5 things

Will be awhile before stuff shifts

[ember token]

huasca is also just for 2 specific sorta niche potions

[meager flame]

huasca isn't necessary for a skill to function

[true talon]

Huasca isnt the problem, its alderium

[thick beacon]

i think huasca is intended to be like that. I think they wanted it to be varlamore themed and more of a luxury to get vses something like snapegrass being more generally acessible

[tacit wharf]

i do hope that the new seeds dont come from seed packs

[strange cipher]

was the z-buffer rendering reverted?

things like feet clipping into the ground and the tar in the poison waste dungeon look fixed, but also sharks in the water have been destroyed

[tacit wharf]

#game-news

they said they've been working on fixing these

[strange cipher]

i'm specifically asking if it's been reverted fully, as a lot of the issues i've seen are fixed, but older issues that were fixed with z-buffering being introduced are also back

[tacit wharf]

not sure then

[meager flame]

this is not something anyone should hope for when it comes to generic seeds lol

they're all low level seeds that probably come from a bunch of content nobody is going to want to be doing long term

the only ones that aren't are the somewhat irrelevant special tree seeds

since im assuming like every other tree you can plant to cut down its better to just go cut them with other people

[minor whale]

A lot of the issues had to do with Runelite's gpu plugin converting to the "new" default, and the legacy renderer 'fixed' some of these issues, but I believe they've updated the new renderer to fix a few of them and moved back over to it

[meager flame]

its kind of interesting in how our current cache a bunch of the islands are like

probably intentionally unfinished

but you can still find a lot of random stuff flying around and looking

also some weird stuff lol

like how they used the "new" rocks for nickle and slapped it down next to the classic looking rocks

so it just kind of clashes

[tranquil topaz]

i hope they fix the clue issue by end of tomorrow

[next zephyr]

Are folks aware that the Europe GRidmaster worlds appear to be down?

or at least not working properly.

US servers seem ok.

[burnt rain]

they messed up a lot of stuff it seems and aren't keen to fix it with sailing around the corner. x2 hunter xp is broken too on grid. you get double chins still but only get xp for 1

[meager flame]

i dont think its that they're not willing to fix the stuff

i think its more along the lines of them just breaking an incredible amount of content with like

basically every update for awhile

dudes are probably just in there trying to fix things constantly lol

[next zephyr]

They seem to be working again for now.

So a blip maybe.

[meager flame]

when they finally have sailing under control its going to be great

[next zephyr]

It was always gonna be challenging.

[meager flame]

i swear for the past like year you'll get updates where they dont release anything and lol they update the engine in the background and tons of stuff just explodes

like every week

[tacit wharf]

maybe not that they arent fixing a game mode that they have already gotten a great test on (bingo system) but focusing now on actual content thats not going to be ending in a week

[next zephyr]

Well some of us are still playing. would be nice of it worked until the end. but im sure they will get to it

[tacit wharf]

way i look at it

[burnt rain]

doesn't matter. 6 days of it left. don't put something out if it's not going to be working properly until completion.

[tacit wharf]

fix graphical issues with the entire game ⚖️ fix random gridmaster bug that affects a select few people on a beta test of the bingo system

[minor whale]

Last leagues was bugged from release for mage relic and they quite literally just didn't touch it the entire league

That's just how some things are

Temp gamemodes don't get a ton of post-launch attention because it's used to buy them time to do other stuff for main game

[hasty shard]

slayer master working on literally everything despite them explicitly saying it wouldnt

also wasnt mage bug reloaded and not raging echoes

[minor whale]

Both

Masteries for mage just didn't work for some things

[round lintel]

I dont know if its related but since yesterday's update ive been getting my pc shot down and this error "dpc_watchdog_violation"

anyone having issues at all or am I just unlucky with timing

[polar helm]

dunno if this is related to the Z-buffer update, which I read only today, but since a short time ago I am getting graphical artefacts in the hallowed sepulchre lobby area - I am using runelite, and turning the GPU plugin on and off resolves it until I enter the area again

[nocturne solstice]

Have you tried the GPU legacy version?

[polar helm]

No

[nocturne solstice]

Then try it

See if it helps 👍

[nocturne solstice]

If your entire PC is getting shut down that sounds like a non OSRS issue. Better go google that.

[round lintel]

Talks about drivers

Error Dpc watchdog violation. Windows 11 ...The dpc_watchdog_violation error in Windows 11 is a blue screen error caused by a faulty device driver, hardware incompatibility, or corrupted system files. To fix it, you can update drivers, check for Windows updates, run system file checkers, and try disabling fast startup. Disconnecting external devices one by one can also help identify if the issue is with a periphera

it started just with yesterday's update

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah that sounds like a PC issue not a OSRS issue

OSRS didnt update yesterday, it did the day before.

Go google your issues and check with microsoft

[tacit wharf]

win 11 shitting the bed, since launch

[nocturne solstice]

I aint ever updating to that dang spyware with their goofy ass AI

Ill have to start looking into Linux at this rate

[round lintel]

The thing is it started when i was doing rumours, and everytime I get close to an area thats graphical heavy (In theory) Like Weiss, Varlamore, Priff

is when my pc goes from 50-100

haha

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah but driver issues is a PC issue, again, go google it and check with microsoft.

If runelite is what keeps crashing on you then fair enough

But PC crashing? nah sounds like you got PC issues man. Whether it be out of date drivers or whatever.

[round lintel]

Thats what im saying, it started as RL crashing every minute

Then it moved to RL flickering (Looks like when you "ALT" in RL you know there is a yellow box around movable stuff in RL) but in the whole client

and at some point my pc shuts down and gives me the message

Again ima do normal driver TS

see what happens

[vestal jetty]

Wait till after sailing they will try increasing membership again.

[meager flame]

it doesn't have to be your drivers but it could be

if it doesn't fix itself when you make sure you've fully updated and tried to clean install all of your drivers

you're gonna have to start trying things like removing ram etc to check to see if any of it is broken

that can actually be a million different things though from a driver conflict to broken hardware to an overheated cpu

[chrome lantern]

Download more RAM (this is a joke)

[thick beacon]

is quest helper gona be live for the new sailing quests?

[meager flame]

dont they generally wait like a month to add anything

[thick beacon]

I figured that would probaly be the case but just wanted to ask

[chrome lantern]

I could see Pandemonium maybe on release given that it was in the Beta but that would be heavily banking on nothing changing

And that they planned that far ahead

[tacit wharf]

could see an earlier release but not the first week

[ebon tartan]

anyone want to run huey?

[median jolt]

so new players to the game now need 11 quest points to join a clan???? when was this changed

[nocturne solstice]

2018

maybe 🤔

[median jolt]

i thought it were 10 😄

[nocturne solstice]

dunno, the requirements are tiny so i dont notice

maybe it was 11 from a recent update actually

the tutorial island became a quest recently so thats a free 1 qp

that change was a few weeks ago, maybe month?

[brave hearth]

Obviously it's not gonna happen during sailing release but they did mention adding account switching for mobile, right? or did I imagine that

[nocturne solstice]

[brave hearth]

oh end of the year? that would be bomb dot com. juggling 2 accs on mobile is such a pain rn

Thanks for searching Pingu!

[nocturne solstice]

[tranquil topaz]

Any ETA on fixing clues? Just says to be hotfixed in the blog

[edgy portal]

There maybe a problem regard Treasure Chest in costume room, it says i have nothing in there but i cannot remove it to upgrade it

[idle summit]

worst z buffer offender gotta be dryad forestry event

shit flickers even when not moving the camera

[opal pulsar]

Something feels wrong with kbd after this update. I got a task and did it with the same gear/prayer combo as usual and needed to take 3x as many trips as I usually do, and consumed far more supplies, he ripped me apart with melee way more than he used to and my cbow noodled like crazy, like my slayer helm wasn't working. Anyone else notice him being different? I can understand one bad kill, but a whole task feels unlikely.

I don't wanna make a bug report because it might not necessarily be a bug but I don't know where else to go, any reccomendations?

[bronze kernel]

Did you bring the right gear?

[brave hearth]

what gear are you in? also are you sure you're supposed to stand melee range with a cbow?

[opal pulsar]

Yeah I have the inventory layout plugin so same gear as usual, the only thing thats changed is I ornamented my aguish so maybe that?

[bronze kernel]

You are to reduce the damage overall. His dragonfire deals a ton of chip

[opal pulsar]

Yeah I usually stand in mellee range and pray magic, with the prayer, the antifire pot, and the shield you have full protection.

Like normally a 40-50 task uses 4 charges of a burning ammy and takes about 45 min to an hour, today I went through 3 and it took an hour and a half, thats not right.

[bronze kernel]

You're supposed to pray melee, not magic

[opal pulsar]

gear is: slayer helm (i), acb, max cape, barrows gloves, black dragonhide top and bottom, snakeskin boots, dragonfire shield, necklace of anguish (or), and diamond bolts e

I never pray melle because his mellee rarely comes out, but his magic comes often, I've always done it this way.

Like I did two tasks last week, this is not how it usually goes.

[bronze kernel]

Praying magic isn't necessary unless you're doing step under or something with the T Bow

[brave hearth]

I'd try praying melee too. if you have both anti fire and a shield, the breath shouldn't hit that hard

[opal pulsar]

I'm not asking for critique on my method.

I am telling you that I am doing it the same way and something is different today.

[brave hearth]

as you can see, praying mage doesn't even reduce the damage for white dragon fire

[opal pulsar]

Or feels that way.

[bronze kernel]

You just got unlucky

[opal pulsar]

For a full task?

I dunno that feels not right.

And with everything that broke this update I figured Id ask

[bronze kernel]

Or definitely were doing something different this time around

[opal pulsar]

go fight him yourself, see what you think

[frail bough]

I think you should go again since you're the one with the issue

Try the suggestions provided, report as bug if not

[opal pulsar]

Okay, if you say so.

[brave hearth]

I still don't quite understand the point of praying magic if you have shield and antifire

but maybe i'm missing something

[opal pulsar]

So I don't die if the antifire falls off while I'm looking at my second monitor.

Like I said, I always do it this way, I'm not looking for critique on my method, I just know that something is very different and I was wondering if anyone else had noticed the same.

[brave hearth]

it gives a 5 max hit if no antifire

[opal pulsar]

I am not looking for critique on my method.

[frail bough]

Ye then probably just unlucky with th emelee hits

[brave hearth]

probably nobody else doing your method either

[frail bough]

which means youll have to be the one to determine if you report it as bug or not

but i also think that, with how long antifire lasts, its probably worth reevaluating your method

since praying mage isnt going to save you if afk after it runs out

[opal pulsar]

Right, but that doesn't address the fact that my dps has also fallen off a cliff? I'm not an idiot. I know what kbd is usually like. Or was like last week. I'm not whining because he stacked me out for one kill, I'm saying a full task of 50 kbds felt very, very different to how it did last week, and asking if anyone who has fought kbd recently has noticed anything similar.

[upbeat moss]

Assume by their messages that they have not noticed any differences with kbd since the last update

Damn

[frail bough]

is your dps falling off a cliff because you're eating more often?

[opal pulsar]

Sigh, I love asking a specific question and having folk dissect it instead of actually answering me.

[viscid chasm]

you probably just got lucky rng and he didn't melee you as much

[frail bough]

cause you will eat more often if you pray mage

[opal pulsar]

I step under to eat.

[frail bough]

that also reduces dps

[upbeat moss]

Read my last message

It's safe to assume sometimes

[brave hearth]

sorry for trying to help xd. it won't happen again

[opal pulsar]

We arn't having this argument again. I'm leaving now.

[viscid chasm]

If you take more trips it will take longer

[frail bough]

where are the blood barraging kbders at tbh

dragonhunter wand op

[brave hearth]

from what I heard you can actually afk with blood barrage and DHW as long as you keep prayers up

[analog crow]

Dps bad because method bad
unlucky

[sharp cave]

U should be praying melee in melee range

[obsidian venture]

Even if you aren’t looking for a critique, it’s very ie to not pray melee

Another thing to note is if kbd is freezing you more often which means your stalled in attacking

Pair that with taking more dmg because you aren’t praying melee, then yes it’s not a bug

[delicate bough]

Anyone else having some graphical issues since the last update? Like at GGs, some of the flame shadows aren't appearing properly making it look like theres multiple exits

https://imgur.com/a/CmN6Fpv

https://imgur.com/a/ghF7VSX

[upbeat moss]

On runelite, search for the gpu plugin, there's something about a legacy version and people have been having visual issues on one vs the other

[delicate bough]

You are a legend ❤️ I was driving myself insane thinking I just started suckin ass overnight xD

The legacy version of GPU solved it

[glad prairie]

broke the Mos Le Harmless plank with sailing update

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/700745653235744839/1436439114697412770/image.png?ex=690f9bac&is=690e4a2c&hm=ffbc5681f6ace1c776baa72606a4279eb4d2f1f11a90a8a21c9b8d15f73e365d&

[tacit wharf]

they know of that one, (something about having to add that there cuz to fix they'd have to take worlds down or something)

[glad prairie]

also, i have big pirate hat and right eye patch in my inv, but Patchy wont combine them?

[ember token]

also need 500 coins

[hard axle]

welcome to my mos le harmless locked account

[restive sapphire]

i had a premonition
that the gryphon boss will teach midgamers how to combo eat
so you get special oranges that you have to combo eat so you dont get scurvy

[quiet plank]

i feel like combo eating is easy enough there doesn't need to be a boss for it

you can just do it randomly during slayer or any other boss

[idle summit]

no barb mixes of the new pots?

[plucky canyon]

Not a bug your safe tile was top left

That’s unlucky but sometimes the escape is on the wall

[chrome lantern]

He knows that, if you look at the first picture it looked like there were two spots with opening in the flames

Three, even

[plucky canyon]

My bad zbuffer strikes again

12 days until legacy gpu goes away too…

[bronze kernel]

Hold on. You actually might not be crazy. Seems like a few people on Reddit are noticing something wonky with KBD once it drains your Sailing level

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/1EN1PbASIH

[restive siren]

Funny spaghetti

[sacred oracle]

I was just coming here to post this. The minute someone told me, I immediately thought of this poor guy that no one seemed to believe.

[sinful field]

i find it a bit odd the shellbane gryphon will be weak to crush when it drops a stab weapon, maybe theyre finally moving away from bosses being weak-ish to their own loot?

[tacit wharf]

birds have hollow bones so they are lighter, so they can fly

[chrome lantern]

Good.

[latent hearth]

anyone else experiencing no light beam at all on chambers chest? even if it sa purple theres no light at all. 117HDis on

[round lintel]

I hate the new volatile earth color almost matching the acid color

[analog crow]

Holy
Sorry for not believing

I’ve been doing vork off task and noticed nothing strange but there’s a lot of strange stuff in that thread
If it’s related to sailing level drain then why does a regular restore pot fix it?

And the comment about dt2 boss and cg kill times
They don’t drain your stats iirc

[frail bough]

I bet he's still praying mage as we speak

[valid flame]

? magic double defence? highest prayer?

????

answer.

dogsword magic special attack???

zzzzzz

[ember token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431834766325841920/1273376617858596894/leafchatting.gif

[restive siren]

Holy stroke

[idle summit]

how do u report bugs on this game bru

[torpid delta]

right click the big red report button in-game

[sonic sail]

Then pray it actually gets addressed

[torpid delta]

true, the hard part

[rancid bough]

anyone know what the consensus is on void vs masori for delve? assuming tbow

[idle summit]

with tbow masori bis

with scorch masori is pretty much equal to el void

[rancid bough]

bet, ty

[chrome lantern]

Void is very very good if you do deeper delves because the part where your dps matters most you have 100% accuracy

Being the burrow on 6+

The actual dps calc isn’t that important for the part with defense where masori beats it a little bit

Void also lowers death fee

[rancid bough]

thats kinda what i was thinking, ive been using void. think im gonna buy a ven ring. dont have zcb so lb shouldnt be neccesary. can just double dc everything

[true talon]

Reason people used void was to drastically reduce death fee's so they can just go deep and not care

[chrome lantern]

No the reason you use void is because you have 100% accuracy lmao

[true talon]

it was comparable dps to masori

[chrome lantern]

Death fee is just a bonus

It’s the same reason you use void in ToB ranging

[chrome lantern]

Void lets you very consistently get kills within/immediately after burrow and not have to deal with orbs which is ultimately what matters. If you execute right you can manipulate orbs to still spawn for cleaning

[chrome lantern]

Scythe on deep delving is trolling with acid

[true talon]

this was not what i used

i swapped the scythe to hally later

[chrome lantern]

Then why post it

[true talon]

it was only picture i had of low risk void lol

[median jolt]

weirdly latency around eu, all eu servers is spiking up past hour or so

[rancid bough]

what do i use if not scythe for punish then?

[true talon]

nox hally

[chrome lantern]

Yeah or on my iron I don’t have one so I just chally poke unfortunately

My spec goes to ancient godsword, used bp specs to heal on my gim

[true talon]

Yea ancient god sword is so good

[hollow tulip]

Jagex missed a huge opportunity for construction to give sailing shortcuts via building locks like you get on canals.

[half hearth]

So is it a z-buffer bug that you can't interact with the 2nd rope to get down to the entrance into Waterfall Dungeon after doing medium kandarin achivement diary? Can't interact with it at all. First rope at the raft works fine.

[quiet plank]

Does anyone know how the new stab weapon is going to compare to the zhasta?

[true talon]

its said to be the same as zombie axe but for stab
So prob like whip vs zombie axe levels

[chrome lantern]

I mean whip is a better slash weapon than hasta is a stab weapon so I pretty much expect hasta to become dead content tbh for stab

Zaxe was already an issue but Jagex decided we should do it again unfortunately

[true talon]

I dont think zaxe was a problem

i think having the only step up from d scimmie being 85 slayer is a bit extreme

What they really need to tackle is crush

Crush basically doesnt exist as a style right now

[chrome lantern]

I think zaxe was a problem because we already had a t65 weapon that they chose to ignore

Would’ve made way more sense to just make the cudgel more accessible and better

Slight stat buff and make it drop like 1/1k or 1/2k from temple spiders, more common at boss

[true talon]

I forgot crudgel was a 65 wep

[chrome lantern]

Yeah well it’s dead content now so understandable

I used one on my iron and it was definitely a meaningful upgrade back when I got it 4 years ago

[true talon]

Z axe is just a better crush wep than anything else lol

[chrome lantern]

Which again is what I mean by zaxe being a problem

[true talon]

We need to stop having slash weps be the best in both styles

this issue exists for scythe, sra, zaxe

[chrome lantern]

Jagex tried to make more variety in progression by getting rid of all variety in progression

[true talon]

I think weps shouldnt have an off style

[chrome lantern]

Yeah 2 of the 3 best crush weapons are slash weapons

I don’t think offstyles are inherently bad but should be more like dscim having 0 stab acc

[wicked sluice]

Surely we can’t have an expectation that there will be 0 dead content in this game. The cudgel is still a clog. Could play a role in snowflake accounts. Could be a part of a future upgrade-scape item.

[quiet plank]

buffing sarachnis cudgel and not giving zaxe crush would've been cool

[quiet plank]

ig the main point of my question is how good will the new weapon be at toa

[chrome lantern]

I don’t even think we needed a zaxe with just slash either, who says we have to be using slash

[upbeat moss]

It should've been the zammer:(

[icy relic]

Zaxe was just CLS sneaking into the game

Only 3 fewer max hits

[warm axle]

will rosewood logs drop from anything?

or only woodcut

like salvaging and stuff

[chrome lantern]

During the alpha they did

[warm axle]

i want to make a bp but dont have 92 wc so was wondering if i should grind it out or not

[meager flame]

ya i mean we don't really know for sure but sailing stuff coming from salvage where the whole point is that you're gathering with sailing

seems kind of locked in

[quiet plank]

are we supposed to need a high sailing level for rosewood? cuz i have 95 wc and enough logs to get the fletching level but im hoping i dont need 90 sailing or smth just to access the trees

[meager flame]

might be rare though

i actually

flew around the world map with the latest cache the other day

couldn't find rosewood trees specifically

i suspect they're on the great conch or whatever its called though

because about half of that island was blank probably intentionally

i did find the other two new trees though

and one spot for nickle which i also suspect to be on the new island

i think they want to be more secretive but like

there aren't enough islands and available ocean to be too clever with lol if its not there

theres like 3 other islands with some rare tree icons that aren't finished

and they're all small and at least for now appear to not have the buildable bank

maybe they expect you to tele to boat etc

but honestly i think you'll need a relatively low level to get to the great conch and if you want can just stop there and sell logs

[weary copper]

where are the scrungly emotes referenced in the new dev diary video?

[hard axle]

fried chicken horse

[austere mulch]

Need

[median wing]

cudgel is laughably bad

[chrome lantern]

It's actually not but I did suggest to buff it a bit

[idle rapids]

[white narwhal]

Around 7min in to the vid

[vale gate]

Bulshieeeeett with new updates or new skills,
We just want you to be able to handle mass bot attacks.

Check Stronghole Security F2P now!

[hollow canopy]

is puzzle solver plugin not working for anyone else?

[meager flame]

Biggest problem with cudgel is that it’s so far out of the way that you should probably spam ping yourself with question marks if you end up using one on an iron lol

[chrome lantern]

I did a spider task there early and got 8kc :)

Used my cudgel a LOT

4 years ago

[idle rapids]

I think they mean why aren't those emotes in this server

They're probably just in some secret Jmod discord

(or slack maybe since discord isnt rlly used for workplaces)

[nocturne solstice]

The positioning is off but I just figure it out based on what pieces can move anyway

[vestal jetty]

When is raids 4?

[nocturne solstice]

when its ready

[quiet plank]

Could be next year

Or the year after

But I don't think it'll be much further away from that. I believe the devs have also confirmed it will not be sailing related or have a sailing req.

[vivid ruin]

Werent we able to slowly auto crush dense essence before?

[frail bough]

As long as you aren't moving, it should yeah

Could never while running

[vivid ruin]

Ahh ok maybe thats what i did. Thanks

[tardy flicker]

When can I have the option to recover my Jagex Account?

[ember token]

you use your backup codes to recover it

[austere mulch]

They’ve said a few times it’s targeted for late next year but that’s always subject to change

[sharp cave]

shh nobody said anything

[craggy wind]

Is this the new pet 🤣

[weary copper]

yes one of two new pets, this one drops from the gryphon boss

[weary copper]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Gull_(pet)

[quiet plank]

The fletching levels for blowpipes seem scuffed

[meager flame]

i mean yeah i honestly think for the people its aimed at 84 fletching is a little insane

[quiet plank]

The fletching reqs for the new blowpipes should just be lowered since they aren't going to be very good anyway

[meager flame]

so are the wc levels though so like

who even knows

its like the redwood shields into d hide shield

they cleanly killed that content before it existed

[ember token]

they said in a blog you'll be able to get the logs in small amounts from other sources

[quiet plank]

I have 95 wc so I won't complain about that

[chrome lantern]

Yeah we saw as far back as the alpha that you could get small amounts of logs from salvaging

But the fletching still seems a bit high

[tacit wharf]

i think its more than a fine level for the new blowpipes, even if they are weaker than the bp

fletching is more than reason to train even before vile totems got released

[sharp cave]

it shouldnt have a higher level than the actual toxic blowpipe lol

[quiet plank]

If the only special thing about lava strykewyrms is that they drop dragon sheets why are they only 62 slayer. When dragon sheets are used for high level sailing stuff.

[tacit wharf]

except they have been quite clear that you are making the blowpipe from scratch, unlike the toxic bp

and they believe doing that should require a higher fletching level to do (same goes for other methods of making things)

[quiet plank]

I would say you are still making toxic blowpipe from scratch. It's just a different material but you're still doing all the work. As compared to something like a dragon sq shield or zaxe where you're just repairing it.

[tacit wharf]

but yr just chopping off an already hollowed tube (its a venom tooth)

and ya id compare doing this to the d square or the z axe

where yr not working with the raw material but something that is already basically done and just need a bit of spit and polish

[kind surge]

honestly don't think 84 is that high

[minor whale]

Yeah the tbp is already mostly done
You're just popping a hole in one end
Making a blowpipe out of a log is actually a crazy amount of work

[kind surge]

even if it's weaker than bp, it's so much more accessible to get logs

[minor whale]

How are we making a hole that's blowpipe length down a log pipe we make with just a knife

[kind surge]

worst case just +5 boost from 79

[minor whale]

We'd need an auger or drill press at the least

[hasty shard]

the same way we smith with cold bars

[kind surge]

we're just that strong to melt the bar with just our hammers

[austere mulch]

Easy explanation… two words: heated anvils

Like heated seats in a car, but in anvil form

[umbral summit]

why aren't they adding dragon brutal arrows?

[sharp cave]

i would argue that taking a natural body part from an animal and modifying it into a functional weapon is harder than just... whittling a log into a tube?

[small anvil]

the zulrah piece is already hollow

[narrow folio]

Imo it doesnt make sense lorewise at ALL but it balances out the difficulty to get the material, which is pretty pointless anyway as I predict the new pipes will be dead content

[hasty shard]

i would maybe opt to use rosewood pipe if its slightly weaker than bp for turael skips

[nocturne solstice]

I might use it for tagging stuff for barraging or for low hp stuff like hespori plants 🤔

[hasty shard]

cant you just use darts as is for hespori anyways

[umbral summit]

blowpipes are longer range

[nocturne solstice]

The longer range helps yeah

[zealous ledge]

should the new falo item already pop up to bring?... @carmine ferry

[sacred skiff]

I think I've run into a bug and I've reported it but just to see if I'm not crazy:

it seems like the Blue Moon Spear (bladed staff) is sharing attack styles (or at least auto-casting-ness) with the Purging Staff (a staff). Like if I set purger to autocast, then switch to my spear, it will also be set to autocast. If I switch it to bonk and go back to purging staff and back again, the spear will be back on autocast.

Has anyone else seen this happen? They're different weapon classes, and I'm certain this wasn't happening just a few ago because I was trying out robospear at yama and wasn't accidentally autocasting demonbane when I switched to the spear.

[winged mantle]

Some weapons are linked like this as well

I've noticed it with some melee weps

[sacred skiff]

Ah so it's not just me. Nice but also not nice lol

Didn't see it in the list of bugs in the update post. ig I'll just stick with sailing prep then, no yams

[frozen lion]

here we gooo

Armageddon stuff price = 📉

[frail nebula]

Oh hell no to bowfa stuff being locked behind dmm

Easiest no vote of my life

[winter hearth]

not locked, they're tradeable

[frail nebula]

You're not tricking me into dmm that easily for the most iconic ironman setup in the game

Dmm just feels like such a fundamentally wrong source for a bowfa transmog

[hard axle]

[winter hearth]

If it helps I think you can rack those points up with barely any PvP engagement if it's really not your cup of tea, but this is the least punishing DMM we'll have ever had too - it's very hard to get seriously set back this time around, so building up points for those rewards should be much better than in the last iteration

[hard axle]

As irons seem to forget, pvm gear can also be nasty for pvp

[frail nebula]

Perhaps that will be true

We will have to see

[hard axle]

And also seem to forget they voted down using stuff like VLS/Statius in Wilderness, so DMM kits for those would be basically limited to BH, which already has it

[frail nebula]

I'm not getting my hopes up though

[tough nacelle]

Dude this new dmm actually looks fun

[frail nebula]

Pvpers can, respectfully, sit

[tough nacelle]

No bank bs

Permanent upgrades

You only risk what you carry

I’m definitely going to try this one out

[winter hearth]

this is what we love to see!

[frail nebula]

It's better than previous dmms, sure, but it's still fundamentally dmm

[icy relic]

oh my rod that DMM bowfa looks SO sick

[hard axle]

Me when folks complain about a cosmetic instead of just grinding it out:

https://i.imgur.com/eMNbRNV.png

[shell socket]

Will we be able to purchase last years DMM cosmetics?

[frail nebula]

Sit

[hard axle]

Shame the TSOD spec has basically no pvm use

the new skull animation looks sick

[tough nacelle]

I mean it does for weird iron metas

And inefficient strats

[winter hearth]

stylish misclicks though

[hard axle]

hear me out...

tsod spec persists when u take it off

We have so much damage already that tsod spec wouldn't change too much

[tough nacelle]

I’m really happy you guys addressed a lot of the issues with DMM that made it frustrating, really hope more people give it a chance. I wonder if highlighting the big changes in giant bold text at the front might help players that don’t read 😂

[icy relic]

I will always have a soft spot for barraging soul wars barrier in full zuriels back in 2008 with SoL spec

[frail nebula]

The only universe in which I ever give dmm a try is one where the bowfa and armor kit is obtainable reasonably within the safe period

[shell socket]

I just wanna know if previous DMM kits will return with the reward shop like leagues does

[icy relic]

why are people afraid of getting PKed in a temporary game mode though

[winter hearth]

We'll drive them home harder in the run-up as well I suspect, our hope is that by making it more approachable it actually helps folks feel a little less avoidant and maybe encourages more PVP

[winter hearth]

Correct yeah

[shell socket]

Do we can get the VW one again

[ember token]

that is what goblin just said yeah

no bank keys is hype, that’s something that will get me to actually properly play dmm

[icy relic]

^

[frail nebula]

because it's just incredibly unfun

most people do not enjoy pking in osrs

[hard axle]

then u dont get the reward

most people don't like hmt and still grind it out

[frail nebula]

and you don't get your vls in the wildy

[hard axle]

we never were

[ember token]

i’m not sure how i feel about the random event npc and emote on kill thing rewards, not because of what they are but rather it feels off to me for some reason for it to be temporary game mode rewards

[winter hearth]

I'm so glad!

[hard axle]

wait

[icy relic]

I guess the issue with no bank keys is it encourages ragging?

[sacred skiff]

Hey @winter hearth I know you're not the bug-fixer, but since you're here.... could you pass on this bug that seemingly was introduced with the sailing pre-release? It's not on the list of bugs on the update post yet so possibly flying under the radar

[frail nebula]

I can only hope that this DMM is actually accessible and isn't just inevitably ruined by cheaters like every single DMM ever has been

[hasty shard]

i cant wait to see the current dmm item value an hour from now

[winter hearth]

ACT have been going ballistic on PvP cheaters lately, but these other changes should massively bolster how approachable it is for folks

[restive storm]

DMM at last

[frail nebula]

I hope this is true, but I am respectfully going to wait and see

[hasty shard]

bh boosting is still being kept tabs on right?

[restive storm]

tbf theyve done a reasonable job on them, last night i hit one of the skull craws doing 5way take offs 1t entangles, and its been the first one ive seen in a minute

[sacred skiff]

Just over 1 week til sailingggggg can't wait

[ember token]

I see someone brought it up on the reddit thread too but I just want to reiterate that it would super super nice for the Twisted blueprint to be changed to permanently unlock the twisted style, and I hope at least that the wilderness style blueprint works that way

[restive storm]

the overall state of PvP is down pretty bad but at least theres not a tonnn of cheaters

[ember token]

(actually the blog says the wilderness blueprint WILL work that way which is good, and it means the twisted blueprint could be updated to work the same way)

[frail nebula]

Let's see how this is once RoT comes back in full force for DMM

[restive storm]

just dont go multi and ur fine, but yeah theyll never be stopped

i will say Goblin, i'm disappointed you missed wildy player alarm air raid siren in this, but otherwise yeah thats pretty much how the wildy is these days 🙁

[frail nebula]

those chests do sound kinda weird tbh

it's odd for a drop to be a reward for people near you more than it is for you

[restive storm]

yea im not totally sold on them yet, but im willing to give it a shot

its just to get people to fight over it

[winter hearth]

I think they could be fun!

Breaches were an experiment the first time around too

[frail nebula]

yeah but "congrats on the drop, now you get killed as a reward for someone else" feels weird

the real drop is realizing that you were the loot drop all along

[restive storm]

i just think that its gonna be more-so weird if theres 2 people fighting over it, and a 3rd party just stumbles on to it and takes it for free while the other two fight lol

idk how i feel about that

[winter hearth]

Point is to get you to fight for it if you're contested at the spot - it'll be something you see passively while doing other stuff rather than focus-farming. I guess just a yoinked mechanic from Battle Royales that we think could be interesting here and encourage more PvP-oriented setups

[frail nebula]

yeah, I think that's going to be a common pain point

[ember token]

well, they could just stop fighting each other and fight the guy looting the chest

[restive storm]

only if both agree

[frail nebula]

which they won't

[restive storm]

i.e i can tell my friend, and just not off the guy

and my friend can loot it

so its maybe just gonna be clanman mode of bolt raggers ragging people off the chest XD

[ember token]

true but that guy can also tell their friends

and suddenly there might be a whole group of people fighting over a chest

[restive storm]

so pretty much whoever has more bolt raggers wins all the singles chests

[hasty shard]

does goblin know dinhs is almost as strong as zspear

the setup has potential i fear

[restive storm]

idk if i follow big dog

[frail nebula]

any word on how many points stuff like the bowfa kit is gonna cost

[ember token]

probably not finalized yet

[restive storm]

im just tryina figure out what the whiners gonna be yappin about, which in the past is always clanmanmode. Personally im ok with it but i feel like we're never gonna hear the end of the crying when someone gets ragged off a chest while their friend loots it lol

[ember token]

with bank keys gone, no one should be complaining about anything tbh

[restive storm]

you underestimate the "game is unfair" andys

we're getting a whole boss pitched to us that the idea is it 1 shots anyone with a skull

a fair fight is unfair to them

[lean root]

fun when raiders will get hit at raids once in a blue moon and bank their items, and die with no punishment

[ember token]

speaking of the bowfa and crystal kit though, surely the bowfa kit doesn’t require a corrupted bowfa like the recolors do

surely

[frail nebula]

it probably will

[restive storm]

yea gotta say thats pretty lame lol

i guess with changes they can just walk into the raid anyway? so theres not really any risk of raiding

[lean root]

Nah but if they come out ofthe raid, they have to make a party etc, i imagine that to be pretty difficult while having to tank a sigiled pker

[frail nebula]

well, at any rate, hopefully the bowfa kit won't pass

[lean root]

tanking a freeze to the bank and depositing invy+equipment to be almost a guaranteed safe option

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1418691252924190803/1437449835996512366/image.png?ex=691348fb&is=6911f77b&hm=fde8deebc32092203fa814fd1f6291ce18c327ba9a81f11b351d273d0f3af2f1&

manked did say he gna look into it tho

hoping for the best.

[restive storm]

thats godo at least

[ember token]

if anything i could see the kill taunt things not passing because of people not wanting to get taunted after getting pked lol

[restive storm]

yeah i guess like... can i just try to one hit people running to GE, and if things go south just suicide run into the bank whack bank all and go agane

[lean root]

oh yh.

[winter hearth]

I think a lot of the 'obvious' stuff like people depositing mid-combat will be things that the team will nail down, we'll have a future blog covering a little more of the minutiae (Sigil changes etc.)

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I’m super absolutely instantly voting no on the random event and emote rewards, that feels like private server slop

[ember token]

i’m not opposed to them but they do just feel off to me

[restive storm]

mfw i didnt see a -50xp lamp reward from dmm

[ember token]

and i’m not exactly sure why

[lean root]

love dat

[ember token]

maybe clutter is at least a part of it

there’s already a whole bunch of death animations now

[lean root]

the emote is the private server-y bit to you?

olol

wait til u find out xp and droprates bro

or free vls from killing goblins

[restive storm]

the skull prev button is still the most private servery update to date

[lean root]

ah

yh

[ember token]

you kill someone and then you automatically start doing gangnam style and the sandwich lady spawns in to say a cheesy line and the dead player’s body explodes in a burst of fire and their soul flies into the sky

[lean root]

that button can die irl

[restive storm]

i think the death animations were main game

[lean root]

no joke

[chrome lantern]

I don’t do PvP and did last DMM and actually had a lot of fun and I think these changes will do a lot for that as well. Interested in seeing how the point redistribution runs but even last time you could easily get all the rewards just ignoring pvp and doing a few quests and breaches. Last time the most “pvp” I did was tanking someone into a safezone and getting them killed

[chrome lantern]

I’m talking about the rewards lmao

[lean root]

LOL

[chrome lantern]

I’ve played DMM last time, I know that sigils and breaches and drops are a thing

[fringe rivet]

I didn't even know DMM had rewards, I thought it was just streamer bait

[chrome lantern]

Honestly the one thing I noticed that’s strange to me is having the entire vicinity of the skilling minigames be safe zones

Seems weird

[lean root]

the rewards from last years dmm

cost 100's of Ms

[chrome lantern]

Last one was the first one to have rewards

[fringe rivet]

that explains that

[ember token]

and then imagine in the future if they add even more stuff

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I got them on my iron, use the vw and ma2 cape kits all the time

[lean root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857484444679405608/1437452846969786459/image.png?ex=69134bc9&is=6911fa49&hm=efe47329a37554adbec5075aee97c2738ea0880e0764c5b1517836cf29814637&

[fringe rivet]

not compelling enough for me to try though, I was never a fan of pvp

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I want to stay far away from this

[lean root]

whatever the rewards will be, it will definetly be lucrative

[chrome lantern]

I mean with the bank risk part you don’t even have to pvp

[hard axle]

I primarily like keys to prevent clans from being too dominant and so you can get out with the loot fairly instead of 5 bitches hanging around you to jump you right away

hopefully they give you enough loot time

[chrome lantern]

I mean you’d still be able to get loot keys right

Just not bank keys

[bronze kernel]

So seems DMM is now just Leagues in a PvP World

[lean root]

u get like 70sec grace period after getting a kill

[hard axle]

oh shit

okay i misread

[chrome lantern]

I don’t know that for a fact

As I never pked

[hasty shard]

it begins

[chrome lantern]

But regardless you do definitely get a grace period

[fringe rivet]

I would try pvp goblin leagues tho

[chrome lantern]

Anyway me personally, I don’t really like the crystal/bofa recolors and I never use tsod since I primarily play my iron

So I’ll still do it to get points etc. but I don’t see myself actually buying anything this time other than maybe tele animation

[lean root]

is that real 😭

[ember token]

photoshop actually

dmm rewards are going up into the sky

invest now

[chrome lantern]

xd

[analog crow]

As long as it's all communicated and the info and systems are laid out in a readable way, preferably in game

[chrome lantern]

Honestly especially with this offering of rewards I could see even higher amount of points than last time going into armageddon weapon scrolls tbh

[lean root]

ye if reward shop works like the leagues one where u can buy old rewards

forsure

[frail nebula]

pvp info and systems being laid out in a readable way, in game? We all know that's never going to happen

[chrome lantern]

It does

[frail nebula]

they said it does

[analog crow]

Dying to a skill issue in pvp is expected, but dying to a knowledge check feels terrible

[still sundial]

having basically no setback after dying feels weird for DMM

[chrome lantern]

Last year, Deadman: Armageddon allowed players to earn PvP-focused cosmetic rewards in the main game for the first time ever. We'd like to do the same again, and we reckon we've got some options that you're going to love!

Remember that these rewards are earned with Deadman Points, which can be earned by doing just about anything in Deadman: Annihilation, so don't be discouraged if PvP isn't your strong suit! You'll of course have the option to buy these from other players or via the Grand Exchange too, or by using points earned in future Deadman Mode events if you're not able to participate in this one. Additionally, keep in mind that all of these rewards are toggleable - once you unlock them, you're able to turn them off and on at will and won't ever have to reobtain them.

[analog crow]

Is DMM the one where you lose xp from dying or is that something else?

[frail nebula]

it does feel like an acknowledgement that the old way dmm worked was fundamentally a failure

[chrome lantern]

Not anymore

[frail nebula]

you did ages ago iirc

but that hasn't been a thing for a hot minute

[hard axle]

tbf, this is the same shit for pvm - I found it more chill to watch folks hour 1-10 and then send when im off work

[still sundial]

I dont see why I would bother killing people now that you dont get their bank keys

[frail nebula]

not really the same shit for pvm imo

[frail nebula]

easy: you do it to make their experience worse

like with pvm, dying to the knowledge check, losing nothing, then going back with the new knowledge is part of the point

imo at least

[hard axle]

I just explained why knowledge gap is also the same feeling for pvm, but okay

[frail nebula]

yeah but you fundamentally aren't really losing anything in the same way

that's a meaningful difference imo

[still sundial]

like idk this feels too safe. also not a huge fan of the quest autounlock system, the adrenaline of doing Desert Treasure will be gone

[bronze kernel]

Doing everything in rags

[hard axle]

I'm interested in them at least trying something different

not the worst thing

[frail nebula]

maybe it'll be bugged and the assassin from dt1 will permanently try to attack you after auto unlocking it

[still sundial]

it'll be certainly very different

[hard axle]

but yeah, it'll absolutely be rags meta until finals

like daemon said

[frail nebula]

ragman mode

[bronze kernel]

DT2 assassin would be funnier

[hard axle]

then finals will be maxed gear everyone

[bronze kernel]

Lives in your house forever

[hard axle]

basically 126 cb mains man mode

[bronze kernel]

Speaking of which

[frail nebula]

doesn't even pay rent

[bronze kernel]

Does the DT2 assassin spawn in building mode?

(Still cant forget the one time I witnessed someone die trying to get away from it from the GE)

[hard axle]

the quest autounlock shit screams leagues easyscape and i dont think that's a good thing like Lss said

part of it is weighing out what's worth grinding out and unlocking

[bronze kernel]

DMM is now Leagues in a PvP World

That's what it is now

[still sundial]

last DMM I rushed Priff on lowest bracket, it was so fun. makes no sense to do it now since people can just auto-unlock it

[bronze kernel]

They probably want more engagement in DMM

[chrome lantern]

Holy based

[bronze kernel]

And taking away 90% of the risk was their way to do it

[analog crow]

I can see people who don't pvp much (like myself) losing all their gear and rage quitting the mode, not to mention the muling they mentioned
Low risk is probably the play to get more engagement from more people
Even if it becomes ragman mode

[bronze kernel]

Also sad sailing wouldn't be enabled

Would have been funny AF

[analog crow]

next year for sure

[winter hearth]

equally would have been a nightmare for planning etc.

[bronze kernel]

Boat chase

[chrome lantern]

Last DMM was just me shoving alchs into my deposit box then buying a cheap setup for breaches

I do like that the shift is toward points/attached to your account

[still sundial]

it also feels like there is way less variety on how you can approach it this time. last time I had to consider when to do questing for unlocks, skilling for moneymaking, prepping for breaches. now the only variable that seems to matter is points since it unlocks everything for you

[chrome lantern]

Obviously the main point of the bank key shift is to level the playing field away from mulers

[winter hearth]

also there's an in-game opinion survey that goes live in just under an hour - made it as an excuse to practise making a poll for the first time (because the new polling system lets CM do that now!!) so if you get a sec to fill it out then it'd be much-appreciated!

[chrome lantern]

Thank you for your service

While you’re here, @winter hearth wanted to ask if anyone actually ever reads #1022203837265756231 ? It feels like after years of posting in there that I see a Jmod type in there every 4 months or so and it feels completely pointless to even try to make suggestions anymore. I don’t use reddit but that seems to be the only place that Jmods actually read or reply to anything.

[winter hearth]

I read through them semi-regularly and pass them onto the wider team in our player suggestions meetings. Usually I don't engage too heavily because I don't have enough hours in the day to give the back and forth that I feel folks deserve if I jump into a thread - plus would rather see us 'show, don't tell'

[oblique mesa]

Bank raids being removed is so great 🥹

PJ timer increase should also help make it feel less of clanman mode.

Super hyped for this dmm 😄

[restive storm]

or if there were any updates on the consideration of there being 300 worlds on wildy activity

[still sundial]

so glad you guys are adding the Vyrewatch maid suggestion, thanks a lot

[sacred skiff]

Also bumping this bug report one last time just in case :)

[sacred oracle]

You can buy past rewards with DMM points, right? I'm hoping this DMM will put a dent in these aburd prices:

[still sundial]

you can, yes

same as leagues

[chrome lantern]

Is there any point in continuing to bump posts? Like does getting more support a year down the line do anything, or once something gets passed onto the crew does that post kinda become worthless

[sacred oracle]

I don't think it was the intention for these to become extremely scarce and expensive items. Usually, I don't mind high prices—it rewards content-doers—but 180m for a weapon transmog is ... phew.

[still sundial]

I gotta say it feels a bit weird to have such an expensive kit unlocked without even having a weapon to show it off yet on my UIM

[main sail]

so sigils like titanium and metic wont drop? you can only unlock via points

[sacred oracle]

And 140m for a teleport ... phew

That's one Totus task that I'm not finishing

[chrome lantern]

I have the tele scroll on my iron and never use it because I don’t like it

[still sundial]

I just use the speedrunner one cause its fastest

[chrome lantern]

I don’t really use any of the animation overrides from anywhere except Speedy Teleport Animation because they all feel private servery/out of place in OSRS

And yeah speedy also is speedy

But yeah especially death animations and high alch I dislike, the home teles are basically speedy > leagues 3 ~= default > would never use any others

I know that’s personal opinion though

[obsidian venture]

They haven’t grown up yet :/

I’m actually glad there’s no bank keys. Biggest annoyance was clans just trading stuff over to not have as much risk. Already a good change

[chrome lantern]

I got pked by Bane in a permanent game mode

[ember token]

i didnt know you were in totus

[lean root]

so it doesnt change anything

now i wont get ur 100 brews in ur bnk key

so i gotta buy my own

[chrome lantern]

It means that people who weren’t
muling now don’t risk disproportionately
more than mulers, which is the design intent

[lean root]

fuck sake

yup

most ppl were just buying items and dep boxing it tho

or swapping out

[hard axle]

They needed to ban folks doing this better, but they seem to just took the easier approach which casual players also liked

[obsidian venture]

True

[still sundial]

will I get skulled if I kopesh spec and some dumbass walks into the lighting bolts

[obsidian venture]

Kits look cool tho

Think the dance emote after a kill is funny

[still sundial]

emotes are fine imo but the random event thing is a bit much

[ember token]

im thinking i'll vote yes to the emote thing but no to the random event thing

[chrome lantern]

I’ll vote no to both knowing my vote doesn’t matter because nothing fails polls

[minor whale]

Look at the downvote ratio on these

I wouldn't be surprised if every reward failed as a spite to be against pvp gamemodes

[chrome lantern]

tbh imo tsod doesn’t change enough and the skull just looks gaudy

Bofa/crystal I already don’t recolor and don’t like how everything in the game is just red/black nowadays

[minor whale]

Oh I agree with that

[chrome lantern]

I see no logical reason for a tsod kit from PvP gamemode to fail in concept I just don’t like this one

[minor whale]

Red/black is overdone to shit

[frail bough]

Gear* cosmetics in general are sort of just obnoxious ngl

[minor whale]

Wildy poh is very cool though glad it's finally getting added

[chrome lantern]

I don’t like it being added from DMM when it was already polled to just be in the game without DMM

[hard axle]

give me my black and light blue

ice torva ffs

oathplate still looks like dogwater shittery

[main sail]

no sigil drops is going to suck

getting a random t3 was half the fun

[floral blaze]

They have neutered much of the risk in DMM with this new season, much less punishing now

[restive storm]

at the same time they kinda neutered the reward as well

which sort of makes it lesse exciting

[main sail]

yea they just turned it into like a mini leagues i guess

which is prob what most people want

[restive storm]

yeah tbh i dont like the leagues weapons being added at all

i think that was a mistake

[main sail]

yea same

[restive storm]

i kinda glossed over that initially but i dont think its a good idea

[main sail]

i wish they kept the previous combat brackets too

rushing 111 to pvm in a near empty world is always fun

[restive storm]

i play the low brackets so 60/80 is fine by me

just 80 is gonna be all voiders beating up pures lol

so idk how thatll work out

[obsidian venture]

Same

Only thing I like is the key change

[main sail]

i hate the sigil change and lamps lol seems like an awful idea

[obsidian venture]

I get the skull point system for qol but I’d rather it add more risk

Yeah not a fan of the lamps

[main sail]

auto quest unlock was way simpler

and the sigils being on the drop table was always fun

[restive storm]

i got my fingers crossed now that DMM is coming maybew we'll finally get a discord channel to talk pvp 🤞

[obsidian venture]

Tbh not sure why there isn’t one

[restive storm]

mostly bc jagex hates pvp but otherwise im not rly sure

[merry smelt]

What's att reqs gonna be for khopesh?

[chrome lantern]

If it's the same as leagues, 0

[merry smelt]

That's CRAZY

[restive storm]

yeah wait what

def put a requirement on that pls if we actually put it in the game, but also pls dont put it in the game

[merry smelt]

@winter hearth can you confirm if khopesh will have an att req in dmm?

[floral blaze]

What do you mean Jagex doesn't like PVP? You're getting your once a year DMM just be grateful!

[restive storm]

once every other year* at this point

we've been downgraded

[floral blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-12061360726599077047

[winter hearth]

I think 60 if memory serves, but will double-check with the team

It's 60 yeah

[meager flame]

Yeah asset reuse instead of being original does suck

[restive storm]

i just think that the sigils already give it a ton of flavor to make it not at all like the main game, adding leagues weapons just feels overkill

[meager flame]

They do it a lot though now dmm leagues and community events just cycling through the same list of rewards

Like the khopesh has actually been in all 3 in a row lol

I almost think it’s the raids 4 mega

Personally I’m kinda fine with it but the more they do that they less sense I feel like it makes that they’re all different reward shops etc

[fickle steeple]

id rather have osrs devs work on lighting ambiance than spend another minute on DMM

[meager flame]

Seems like you just get the temp mode package

[restive storm]

ill second that i'd definitely vote for them to just rerun last DMM and work on the wildy instead, that place is in dire need of help

[fickle steeple]

true, they should just delete it

[restive storm]

yeah def dont do that, maybe delete some of their previous updates

[merry smelt]

Thanks m8, appreciate it

[fickle steeple]

lmao my views are a bit extreme xD

[restive storm]

yea i couldnt tell at all

problem is jagex is legit more likely to listen to that take then make any other suggested improvements lol

[fickle steeple]

just never been a fan of forcing ppl into pvp-areas for pvm gear

doesnt make sense

[restive storm]

good thing you arent forced to go there

outside of MA2? i suppose

but thats like ten mins lol

[meager flame]

Tbh idk if you can even fix the wild in the sense that people would generally enjoy it at this point

[fickle steeple]

well sure no one is forcing you to do anything, but if you want good pvm upgrades its definitely recommended to get stuff like a VW

[restive storm]

or u just buy one off the GE

[meager flame]

Should just get a bunch of actual pvp updates for people who actually pvp I think

[fickle steeple]

bro half of us are irons lol

[restive storm]

well then maybe thats a problem from picking the wrong game mode lol

[meager flame]

And they should probably also delete all of the bot activities for the wild

It clearly didn’t work

[chrome lantern]

@winter hearth Is there any consideration to the fact that the Wilderness PoH theme already passed a poll to be added to the game from the 2024 Summer Summit poll? When the PoH customization update came out, it was acknowledged that this was one of the many things promised in that update that was not released. Why is this now being gated behind DMM rewards to unlock?

[fickle steeple]

true, screw anyone who wants to play ironman lol like what?

[chrome lantern]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/game-jam-v---summer-summit-2024?oldschool=1

[restive storm]

i'm not saying that at all? im just saying you signed up to do the entire game solo, then got mad when it required you to play the entire game to get rewards lol

if you played a main you can just buy a vw

[meager flame]

That’s kind of a leading question

They can’t give a satisfying answer to it lol

Only confirm why people would be mad at it

[fickle steeple]

i mean yeah that's fair, most people know if they want certain items they will have to go into the wildy to get them

[meager flame]

About the poh theme I mean lol

[fickle steeple]

but i guess my argument is it's silly that it's even in the wildy to begin with

idk, osrs pvp is just the dumbest shit ever imo

[small anvil]

Lol

It's not that hard to just escape or go in rags

[restive storm]

currently with the pj timer etc id agree, you either have to pk in like a 600m set to kill someone on a half, or its not really worth going out at all

also yeah you can do legit any wildy content in like 15k risk

[fickle steeple]

never said it was, i go out there frequently and escape most of the times

[meager flame]

I mean that’s the entire problem

The wilderness isn’t for pvp

[fickle steeple]

exactly

[chrome lantern]

My feedback on the poll feedback system is that it doesn't have enough room to type out my additional feedback in the final question

[meager flame]

It’s for running around scared like a rat in no risk with access to unlimited funds

[fickle steeple]

it's a pvm-area that allows pvp, which is silly

[meager flame]

That’s why suicide bots bomb the wild

The whole idea is broken

[restive storm]

i mean by that logic you can remove zulrah, nightmare, corp FOR SURE, along with yama and doom

cuz all those are crazy botted too

[meager flame]

Nah they can add requirements

The wild has none by design

[fickle steeple]

the fact they can bot doom is kinda impressive ngl

[winter hearth]

Might be due to the initial question at the summit being a tad nebulous, but equally we'd still want to poll attaching it to a specific source I suspect

[chrome lantern]

It wasn't polled for the Canifis and Varlamore designs

[winter hearth]

Also that Opinion survey that I mentioned is in-game now! If you could fill it out I'd really appreciate it, first time actually making a poll and keen to get enough data for it to be interesting

[chrome lantern]

I wish there were more room to type feedback in the last question but it was a good poll overall

[winter hearth]

But if the team had wanted to attach those as an unlock, they'd have polled them, is what I meant

[fringe rivet]

if only there was a poll booth at tempoross

[winter hearth]

Same, I think the multi-line text boxes lead to an issue at the mo so we're a little limited

[fickle steeple]

im glad we have people like etube to do all the research, ty king 🤝

[winter hearth]

You don't need a booth to vote, haven't for years!

[fringe rivet]

but my immersion!

[chrome lantern]

My only comment is: Doesn't the new polling system allow the ability to embed images in-question? Would be worth putting the images in the questions for "How would you vote on x reward"

Or is the link embed the only way to do it

[winter hearth]

it does but the scaling is a bit janky for images that aren't specifically made with those smaller dimensions in mind

[chrome lantern]

I see

[fringe rivet]

I do wish voting gave you something small and silly, like a sticker or a candy

[winter hearth]

So in this instance I just opted for the embed. Particularly with concept art drawings, the descaling makes the lines really noisy and totally obliterates the image's readability

[restive storm]

i did my part on the survey 🫡

[meager flame]

I think people will be a bit annoyed with the poh theme because they already voted for it and kind of arbitrarily lost it and had it reappear in another poll

[winter hearth]

Problem is that if you do this, people vote to get a thing rather than voting because they care about what they're voting on

[meager flame]

I’m sure they want it though

It’s the one everyone got mad about not getting previously

[chrome lantern]

People already vote without reading/understanding too often tbh, giving any form of reward would just make that worse

[fringe rivet]

but what if it's just a chocolate bar?

[chrome lantern]

This guy is trying to crash the chocolate bar market smh

Smuggle more food into instances

[fringe rivet]

nah, I'm invested in choco-ice

but real talk, I find surveys fascinating and trying to get the most accurate results to be.... challenging

[meager flame]

I am sort of curious how many people liked it and will now be mad it’s from dmm though

[fringe rivet]

I did one for my senior project many years back

Must say I am quite happy about the updated voting/survey system, with the multiple choices and the like

But I do worry to big of a survey/options can scare people away

[meager flame]

Although if it’s anything like previous dmm

You can just run through your safe periods and amass points in no danger to get some cosmetics

[cloud iron]

Super excited for Deadman Annihilation, my only thing about it is it needs MORE rewards please! If the emotes pass where we get to spawn an NPC when we kill someone that would be great, but more cosmetics is definitely needed imo.

[meager flame]

Which is kinda fun in its own way

[fringe rivet]

Like, I wonder how many lower-level players are actually filling out those big long Jagex surveys? Cuz my guess is that only the people who are already super into the game will go out of their to fill those out.

[meager flame]

I refuse to vote yes to emotes without goblin salute being an option

It’s the only valid emote to use upon killing someone

[restive storm]

disagree raspberry is def OP

[chrome lantern]

I really really really hope that the NPC spawn on kill doesn't pass

[cloud iron]

Just needs more cosmetics to be perfect, otherwise the new DMM looks solid and fun

[chrome lantern]

But nothing ever fails polls

[slender wharf]

Why does suggested "ornamented" bowfa remove the seren symbol? Sounds like a downgrade to me

[restive storm]

its pvp related so it has a chance to fail

thats the only thing that can

[meager flame]

Same but goblin salute would at least take the meme to its final form

So I’m lobbying for it

[cloud iron]

Lol of course you hope that. Crazy to see you here months later STILL downing on updates/ ideas for cool stuff in the game.

Every proposed reward for this DMM is awesome, I just wish there were more

[chrome lantern]

Brother it

Is basically a private server feature lmao

Keep that out of the main game

[cloud iron]

blah blah you're so negative, you probably don't even pk lmao

[restive storm]

so is this?

so is menu entry swapper

etc

[chrome lantern]

I see no connection between the two

[cloud iron]

lighten up, it's a really cool addition and pkers don't get enough cool stuff

[meager flame]

Tbf I think spawning an npc is a little weird

Could just be your player having an automatic emote instead

[restive storm]

npc spawn i agree is weird, unless its death

thats awesome during halloween

[dusky hollow]

auto-emote devalues manual BMing

[meager flame]

Speaking of emotes

It would be cool if we could get the old emote tab

I miss when they were just a compact text box instead of a massive scrolling page of pictures

We took a massive L in 2006 or whenever that happened lol

[dusky hollow]

also i'm not a big fan of having the wildy house kit come from a limited event but i'd rather have it that way than not at all

[fringe rivet]

I agree. These cosmetics are cool but....

it's like the inferno door cosmetic

would rather they be a reward for something in the main-game

[dusky hollow]

oh im fine with the rest, the POH kit specifically just feels a bit too widely appealing to lock in the DMM points pool

[frail nebula]

especially for the bowfa kit, it just seems to incredibly ill-fitting as a pvp reward

IMO at least

[restive storm]

eh i mean it is kinda pvp bis

[frail nebula]

and yet its pvp uses pale in comparison to its main uses

it is overwhelmingly a pvm weapon

[restive storm]

i mean idk if thats true lol

bis is bis

its just expensive to risk

[frail nebula]

that's why most people don't use it for pvm

oh wait

it is predominantly a pvm weapon

designed for pvm purposes

mostly used by people for pvm

[restive storm]

i mean literally everything in the game is predominantly a pvm wep

because the game is 99% pvm

but kinda makes sense that pvpers would want their bis stuff to look cool

[frail nebula]

so why do they keep catering to pvpers like this

[restive storm]

lets not get TOO unhinged with our takes now lol, like 99% of updates are made to thwart pvpers lol

[frail nebula]

damn and you think I'm the one getting unhinged here lol

[restive storm]

a month ago they did a survey asking if we want a boss that just nukes skulled people and is easy for unskulled people

[frail nebula]

I just think that the bowfa kit should be from the main game

not from dmm

do you genuinely think that's an unhinged take that I'm saying here

[restive storm]

i dont think thats unhinged, saying "they keep catering to pvpers" is like, mind bogglingly crazy

[chrome lantern]

The blog would point out that there's already 5 recolors for crystal/bofa

[frail nebula]

hey at least pvpers get their full DMM this year

[restive storm]

pvpers are basically 3rd class citizens on this game lolol

[frail nebula]

we didn't get a league this year

sure, we got gridmaster

which was neat

but not the same

[obsidian venture]

It’s a cosmetic

[restive storm]

we didnt get a dmm in 2025, but idk

leagues takes like 20x the dev power

of a dmm

[frail nebula]

you are literally getting a dmm in 2025

[obsidian venture]

If you don’t want the cosmetic you don’t need to participate

[frail nebula]

that is what we are talking about

[obsidian venture]

It’s in 2026

[chrome lantern]

26

[restive storm]

may wanna check ur calendar

[obsidian venture]

Legit end of January

So yes no dmm in 2025

[frail nebula]

touche then but at least it's just in january

[restive storm]

also last dmm was what like march of 24?:

[frail nebula]

fwiw I do think these should both be yearly

[restive storm]

it was super long ago

[obsidian venture]

Either way though a cosmetic ain’t gonna kill no one

Pvmers can keep the recolor

[frail nebula]

ran until august 2024

[obsidian venture]

Pkers can change it up

[restive storm]

ahh so like a year and a half

[obsidian venture]

And ye bowfa is just nasty in PvP even without crystal

[frail nebula]

it is neat to see pvpers lose their minds over the suggestion that the bowfa kit shouldn't come from dmm

I'm doing my part and voting no at least

[obsidian venture]

Idt anyone is losing their mind tbh

[restive storm]

im not even losing my mind idc really, i just think they gotta give some kinda reward

[frail nebula]

also voting no on the random event stuff

that seems very weird

[restive storm]

and most pvp weps are already used in kits

[obsidian venture]

Tbf I didn’t see these comments from the last dmm

[frail nebula]

there were these comments from last dmm

that's why they didn't end up going with all the corrupted weapon skins

because people pointed out that those skins for predominantly pvm weapons coming from dmm made no sense

[obsidian venture]

Didn’t read it here I guess

[frail nebula]

and they did go back on it

that's why there's no, say, corrupted scythe skin from dmm

[obsidian venture]

But I have no issue with it. You do. Unfortunate really

Cosmetics are simply cosmetic

[cloud iron]

This whole thread is a perfect example of why Jagex needs to gatekeep pvp content feedback. Bunch of pvmers debating over why a cosmetic should be for an item used by mostly pvmers.

There are what, like 5 different main game colors for crystal? DMM adds one pvp specific one and you have something negative to say about it?

[frail nebula]

damn now that's a bad take

[obsidian venture]

I mean I’m mainly a pvmer as well

But I do pk

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn't want the random event thing from any source lmao, pvm or pvp

[obsidian venture]

Randomly

Yeah random event thing is a no from me as well

Kits idc for

[frail nebula]

If your argument is that nobody should be allowed to argue against you, then you do not have an argument

[obsidian venture]

Dance emote is funny and can be toxic ig

But they did mention some polls will be gatekept

[cloud iron]

No it isn't lmao, pvmers shouldn't have much of a say on this. If Jagex really wanted good feedback they'd have a submission form that includes pvp credentials like bh kc or lms wins

[frail nebula]

They want to attract more people to DMM

[obsidian venture]

Which I think is fine to some degree

[frail nebula]

They cannot do that without taking feedback from people who would not ordinarily do DMM

[obsidian venture]

I don’t know when that rolls out though

[frail nebula]

People who would already play DMM are not the people they are trying to lure in with this

[chrome lantern]

"lure" lmao

[cloud iron]

the fact that you say lure says everything about your intention with your feedback

[frail nebula]

You might not like it, but the feedback of people who don't PVP is exactly what they're looking for

[small anvil]

Crystal is like amazing pvp weapon

[obsidian venture]

I think removing keys will bring a lot of people in already

[small anvil]

It getting a pvp kit is fine

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[restive storm]

yeah its legit pvp bis lol

[small anvil]

Though people wouldn't risk it during pking would they

[obsidian venture]

They don’t

Unless they get smited

Well very few do

[restive storm]

itd prob work like other orn kits no? where its just reapplied?

by using at the dude

[small anvil]

I have no idea

[obsidian venture]

Think you’d just lose orn and that

[frail nebula]

the poll said toggleable

[upper badger]

No news on clienting/cheating?

[small anvil]

I thought it was a tradable kit

[frail nebula]

which is kinda odd for an orn kit

[obsidian venture]

Like if I pk cannon I get cannon and kits

[frail nebula]

the description in the blog was kinda weird

[obsidian venture]

Should work like that

[frail nebula]

I assume it'd be a tradeable kit that can be added or removed at any point

[small anvil]

Like an issue I heard that I kinda see the point of is that death fee reduction

In pvm

[frail nebula]

yep

[tropic kelp]

are previous rewards available also

[frail nebula]

yes

[tropic kelp]

awesome

my first dmm but that bowfa kit looks sickkkk