game-update

[tough nacelle]

Sometimes less sometimes more

250-750 was the average

[cursive quail]

8x drop rates do a lot to inflate that

so like 400k loot main game?

[tough nacelle]

Nah it’s only on uniques

[icy relic]

8x drop doesn't affect commons

[hard axle]

Yeah, this was my main issue.

I never like new gear replacing other gears and not consuming them at the very least.

I am all for new gear similar to Confliction vs Tormented where Confliction would be made using a rare boss drop to create bis from old gear.

I don't even mind if they're both useable from the start as long as one eats the other.

[tough nacelle]

I think the low requirements isn’t that fair either

[hard axle]

Let me fuse Torva + Oath for +7 more str

[icy relic]

Ew

[tough nacelle]

The reason I say that is look at the gear requirements for cox tob

[hasty shard]

it really wouldve helped for yama to actually be designed as a duo boss

[tough nacelle]

Or Toa

Cox is just rare

But you can do it with a rune c bow

[icy relic]

ToB entry reqs aren't that bad

Void and whip and BP

[tough nacelle]

Yeah

That’s my point

Lots of places that drop BIS are low requirements

[hard axle]

If we had to go back, I would say make Ahrims fuse with Ancestral Cloth and that way you fix the rarity "issue" that irons bitch about.

[icy relic]

That should not be the norm across the game though in the same way not every BiS is treated equally

[tough nacelle]

After playing main game for a period of time post iron, iron made mode is way over hyped but I definitely agree

[hard axle]

I assume most of you played mmos before this

[tough nacelle]

That’s also fair too

[hard axle]

but the ones that I played just threw away progression after you got the new gear dropped straight from bosses

[hasty shard]

club penguin

[tough nacelle]

And we definitely lack that

[hard axle]

and I hated that

because if I ever missed a release, bam, im behind

it's not like that in osrs

at all

and love that aspect of it

[hasty shard]

youve gotta strike a fine balance between wow and korean mmo

[tough nacelle]

I think we definitely need more gear requirements

To fight bosses

For end end game content

I think catering to endgame irons is an issue

[hard axle]

it's no different than an mmo closing and you feel like you just lost 300+ hours.

I just don't like throwing away old bis

[icy relic]

Jagex's statement on powercreep was that they would not make powercreep for the sake of it and would have content appropriate to the level of power in the game

[hard axle]

make them build into new gear

[tough nacelle]

Early game and mid game iron is definitely not a problem to cater to

[icy relic]

My opinion is that they have failed to uphold this with Yama and Doom

[tough nacelle]

Because they get to play the game

[tough nacelle]

I disagree with you on this but I can see where you’re coming from

[icy relic]

Eventually too many layers of sidegrades creates multiplicative powercreep

[tough nacelle]

I think doom encourages players to send it and always push farther

[hasty shard]

like i dont want to powercreep shit but at the same time i dont want to grind the same shit constantly to craft a +2 shitstick

[narrow folio]

Mix of both straight drops, dropping with full offensive power but can be fortified, and dropping broken and needing previous bis to fix is fine

[hard axle]

yeah, that's why i like building on older gear

because u can shorten the grind

[tough nacelle]

I think if you tied doom drops to 678

[narrow folio]

Which is whats been happening

[hard axle]

and make it feel like ur not constantly throwing shit away

[tough nacelle]

Weakest players wouldn’t try it

[hasty shard]

shamanism wouldve been fucking miserable for this

[hard axle]

I personally would've preferred if

Zaryte Vambs were attached onto Barrows Gloves

[narrow folio]

Obviously oath doesnt mean you throw torva away

[tough nacelle]

It’s a pro con battle

[hard axle]

[tough nacelle]

Too much of this then new gear doesn’t feel good to get

[icy relic]

Why barrows gloves lol

[tough nacelle]

Since it’s unusable

[hasty shard]

the only reason you hold onto torva is cope for when TTT is better than OOO every melee upgrade

[narrow folio]

Not everything needs to be an insanely long upgrade chain

[hard axle]

It should if the purpose of the game is to be long lasting

[icy relic]

Standalone gear is good

[tough nacelle]

Torva might become relevant again if crush or stab become meta

[hasty shard]

large part of the issue is just boss difficulty again

you can not do an upgrade chain and have a 'skip' if the difficulty is warranted

[narrow folio]

Difficulty in obtaining gear hasnt been a thing besides those capes

[hasty shard]

but you have doom here dropping treads wave 4 and yama being yama

[narrow folio]

Its just rarity

And if you're good you already kill faster so there is advantage

[hard axle]

There's a very real and objective benefit to long upgrade chains, which is that you are always working towards something and not throwing away old gameplay, while also preventing folks from skipping progression.

[tough nacelle]

People conflate the two

[narrow folio]

Which is fine and has been working

[tough nacelle]

It then it feels bad to get part 3 of the upgrade

Without part 1 and 2

Personally I thought it was exciting

[narrow folio]

Yeah

[tough nacelle]

And made me want to get the other two items

[icy relic]

The other point I made above is that Yama and Doom would even be fine in their current state if access to the content was properly gatekept

[tough nacelle]

But I can see why others find it frustrating

[narrow folio]

Oaths exciting because ...you can just use it without any other preparation

[hard axle]

Ayak is just the most recent example where it has allowed you to basically skip 87 slayer if you can do the first 3 waves of delve

[tough nacelle]

I think higher skill requirements for quests should be good

[icy relic]

I think Jagex needs to encourage people to play the rest of the game via skilling again

Not to the extent of RS3

[tough nacelle]

You should need at least 80-90 base skills for a boss that drops BIS imo

[icy relic]

But there has to be a better balance

[tough nacelle]

Not base 50s

[icy relic]

Yup

[tough nacelle]

I can fully agree to that

[hard axle]

you mean how grandmaster quests in 2025 still have 60 base skilling requirements

lmao

[hasty shard]

final dawn is such a ??? quest

[icy relic]

Yup

[tough nacelle]

Yeah

[icy relic]

Exactly

[tough nacelle]

Final dawn is an amazing quest

And I know they want players to do the quest

But hear me out

Perhaps to fight the boss you need to clear rubble

[icy relic]

Jagex wants to get people through the content ASAP

[tough nacelle]

And you need like 85 smithing

[icy relic]

But it is hurting the endgame

[tough nacelle]

So people can do the quest

[meager flame]

Wave 1 to 5 shouldn’t exist once you defeat 6 a couple of times

[hasty shard]

i mean dont you need like 65 agility or something to make doom not the worst run time ever

still completely nothing but

for posterity

[tough nacelle]

That’s low

[hasty shard]

for posterity

[tough nacelle]

DKs need 85 agility

[icy relic]

65 agi used to be the first thing people did for graceful

[hard axle]

then the rates will need to be further adjusted

[tough nacelle]

Master clue steps need 95 agility or 90 pre boost

[hard axle]

I personally dont mind time sinks and understand why they exist

[hasty shard]

75 agil

[tough nacelle]

I love 1-5

It’s like a warmup

[meager flame]

Nah you’d just cut all of the people who are ass and shouldn’t be getting drops immediately

[hasty shard]

unless its moons

[meager flame]

The rest would probably be fine

[tough nacelle]

Rarity does this

[hard axle]

honestly

yeah

[icy relic]

I think 1-5 being slow and sluggish serves an important purpose

[tough nacelle]

And the low drops push people to try more

[icy relic]

Of making deep delves more attractive

[tough nacelle]

And slowly introduce the mechanics

[hasty shard]

the run for nightmare was fine honestly ppl are weak willed

[icy relic]

But they don't ramp up drops enough for deep delves

[hasty shard]

im saying this having gone 100 for the tele

[tough nacelle]

Isn’t there a rumour that they’re bugged

Wave 7 is the sweet spot for difficulty

8 isn’t fun

It’s just annoying

When you have acid everywhere

No zcb

And he double orbs you

[hard axle]

wave 8 is satisfying to master

[icy relic]

I know a lot of people who just do 1-7

And greenlog

[tough nacelle]

Without zcb it’s fun to do once

But not deep delve

IMO

[meager flame]

I got almost all of my drops 7 or earlier despite going like

[hasty shard]

consider: you have like 25% more acid splats with scobo vs tbow

[meager flame]

2x rate to green log

[icy relic]

I think 1-7 is legit for the record because the rates are much worse on paper so it is a time tradeoff

[hasty shard]

deep delves are probably also tbow diff for comfort

[meager flame]

And I did more deep delved than any other wave

It seems bugged that so many people do that somehow but idk

Delves*

[hard axle]

Ic an see this, I had fun doing hscb/shield task LOL

had 3 orbs on wave 7

[icy relic]

My only real gripe is that if you don't see the boss's full mechanics (at least 6) you shouldn't get uniques

[hasty shard]

^^^

why the fuck does cloth drop on 2 literally nothing happens except a scenery change

[meager flame]

It kind of is a big deal to have correct gear

[hasty shard]

i dont even get why the scenery changes so fast at that

[hard axle]

I got 2 of my cloths from wave 2 btw

b2b treads wave 4

[meager flame]

I did some on a main just to kind of know what it would be like to have the full correct setup vs just tbow

It’s pretty substantially different

[icy relic]

Spare some RNG for me

[hard axle]

uknow the 3 stepper for double boulder right?

[meager flame]

Yeah it’s just about how easily you just skip

Like

[hard axle]

uhh no, not that

[meager flame]

You choose when to clear tiles with the full setup

[hard axle]

again, I did the shield task with hscb, which is worse than scobow

and it wasnt bad at all

[meager flame]

Without it you do it a lot of the time no matter what

[hard axle]

but you can noodle

that and the melee task

[meager flame]

Oh yeah I know I’m just saying that’s the real diff between full gear or not

[hard axle]

what really made those tasks easy for me was knowing how to orb and double boulder

[hasty shard]

i still dont know what the intended method for car phase is ngl

[icy relic]

Step back onto shadow

[hasty shard]

like where do you lure it to not just blast out every rock

[hard axle]

anywhere but middle

they need to fix the fact that rock can't fall on acid

but then agian, that makes it super easy

[meager flame]

You’re probably not cleaning the room super well and iirc there’s no rock on acid

[hasty shard]

did they not fix that already

or

[meager flame]

So you can easily end up with no rocks

Well

Not very many rocks I should say

[hard axle]

I did CAs on release and it was busted

no rocks on acid

[hasty shard]

note ive not done delve since like before they made orb clear acid

[meager flame]

Idk if they fixed yet or not

[hard axle]

no mention of them fixing it

[meager flame]

Last time I did it though that was how I’d create situations where I just didn’t have rocks really anywhere I’d like them

[hard axle]

I do like that thralls are not efficient to use until shield/car phase if ur going deep tbh

[meager flame]

That’s when you gotta start cleaning on purpose

[hasty shard]

they should add a despawn thrall button

[hard axle]

yep

[icy relic]

If you have master CAs done

Do you even have a say in the matter

[hasty shard]

like you can just summon zombie in a fuckoff corner but

[hard axle]

im telling you, GM CAs should be 0 prayer thralls

[hasty shard]

we're probably gonna just get more instances where you don't want a thrall up all the time like doom/akkha

and it kinda griefs your account to get masters almost

almost

[meager flame]

I wish that instead they would just make veng fun and good

[icy relic]

GM should be no book of the dead

[meager flame]

Delve was even a prime opportunity for reflect damage

[icy relic]

Gotta love how veng doesn't proc off anything

[meager flame]

And they just said no we can’t have fun

[icy relic]

(Hyperbole)

[idle rapids]

Would be nice but also book of the dead is my only tele away if I'm actually bringing something in my ammo slot for raids

[chrome lantern]

Defender teles

[idle rapids]

Yeah ig if you have GM you'd just use that, true

[chrome lantern]

Not even just master

[icy relic]

I do think no veng for doom kinda makes sense given how low HP it is

But indeed no fun allowed

[meager flame]

Max cape too strong

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn’t call 600+ per floor low

[idle rapids]

Ppl here were just saying how master CAs griefs you

[tough nacelle]

My baseline is 2 orbs

[chrome lantern]

?

[idle rapids]

Not a great PvM cape imo

[meager flame]

They could’ve even been really cool and made it work like araxxor

[tough nacelle]

On 7 and I cry

[chrome lantern]

How does master CA grief you

[icy relic]

When you let the blast through and veng a 80

I think 600 is not much

[tough nacelle]

Wave 8 is just exhausting lol

[meager flame]

Where you actually don’t take the damage if you do it right

[meager flame]

Now it’s like actually fun for real

[chrome lantern]

I would really not enjoy Doom nearly as much as I do if I weren’t doing deep delves

[chrome lantern]

This just isn’t a thing though lmao

You don’t use thralls at all in deep delves because acid

And a longer thrall in Akkha doesn’t do anything bad

[meager flame]

Also max cape is great for pvm it’s your tele and has a random Swiss Army knife of buffs

[idle rapids]

Did they change akkha to where thrall hits won't make him move faster during white orb phase?

I know it used to

[meager flame]

You just don’t wear it

[chrome lantern]

Yes a very long time ago

[idle rapids]

Okay lol fair enough I was just going off what I saw here 😛

[hasty shard]

they did a good toa change wtf

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn’t waste two inv slots to bring them at all compared to more supplies for deeper delves

Not worth it to do 20 damage in a burrow

[icy relic]

Agreed

[meager flame]

Tbh I think they were just desperate to make double death charge cool

[chrome lantern]

Just double deathcharge and that’s it

[meager flame]

So they didn’t make veng cool

[idle rapids]

what tier do you unlock double death charge

[icy relic]

Double DC is so cool

[meager flame]

I think we all took an L in that trade tbh

[chrome lantern]

It’s a Yama reward

[hasty shard]

yama kc

[idle rapids]

lame

[meager flame]

I’d rather reflect big numbers than get spec bar back

Fun wise

[chrome lantern]

How is that lame lmao

[tough nacelle]

I haven’t done them outside leagues so I wonder how shit the acid gets with lower end gear

[chrome lantern]

It’s not bad at all if you manage runs properly you get a ton of cleaning

Leagues/grid acid is way worse because you never get to clean

[idle rapids]

i think its more in line with a CA reward personally

[icy relic]

At least you get to veng + last stand Yama meatballs and skip the last phase

The acid is worse but you can also just ignore it

[chrome lantern]

And attack significantly faster

[icy relic]

Stand in acid and eat shark

[chrome lantern]

I did a 101 delve yesterday on grid

Got my 7th cloth an nothing else

[meager flame]

Hey actually maybe that araxxor veng thing is a content reward idea

[chrome lantern]

I’m playing a snowflake grid account where I can’t use any equippable rewards from grid tiles

So I really need eye and boots

[meager flame]

Just call it scroll of mirrors or something and you avoid the damage you reflect in pvm

[chrome lantern]

Instead I’m at 270 deep delves with 7 cloth and 1 eye

[icy relic]

How is eye 1T

[chrome lantern]

It shouldn’t be but it is

[icy relic]

I thought it rounded up but I'm not complaining

[chrome lantern]

And that’s fun

[icy relic]

It is very fun

[meager flame]

I green logged when I got my cloth drop at 600 deep delves

[chrome lantern]

tbh though they must have hard coded it to 1t

[tough nacelle]

It’s broken

[chrome lantern]

Because the spec is also 1t in grid

[tough nacelle]

It’s actually insane

It’s more dps than most weapons tbh

[chrome lantern]

Main game my iron still needs cloth and my gim still needs treads and another cloth

[icy relic]

I somehow also have full virtus on the mcgriddle

[chrome lantern]

I got 2 bottoms and nothing else yet :(

[meager flame]

I kind of wanted it to keep going

[chrome lantern]

I wanted to go for SRA on my snowflake grid acc but just duke alone will take longer than scythe I feel like

Since the mushrooms only give enough paste for 4kc at a time

[meager flame]

Like give me the cg blessing etc on gridmaster

Just legit let me unlock it all

[icy relic]

Crystal blessing ended up being ass

[meager flame]

Iirc it was better than having torva

Since it made your armor buff melee etc

[icy relic]

Very slightly but you lose a region

Also without echo hunllef CG is pain to grind

[chrome lantern]

Yet another example of why region locking sucks

[meager flame]

Also Jesus we really have negative sailing hype huh

[icy relic]

I like region locks but I would make all raids accessible regardless of region

[meager flame]

They announce release date and we talk about doom and veng and old leagues

[icy relic]

Automatically being forced to choose a raid region for megas is dumb

I mean I'm just going to get mad about gleaming rapier again if we talk about sailing haha

[chrome lantern]

The thing about sailing is that we already kinda discussed it with previous blogs though

Unfortunate that nothing ever fails polls

[ember token]

tbh there's not really anything sailing-wise to talk about

[meager flame]

Ya I want the skill but it’s pretty clear that’s a year from now for me

[frail bough]

Waiting room for release

[chrome lantern]

Not saying I wanted all of sailing to fail but I definitely wanted like

[icy relic]

Jagex wants sailing to feel like it's always been part of the game for new players

[chrome lantern]

Half of the things on last poll to fail

[meager flame]

I just want the parts that are actually relevant to be in the game

[icy relic]

I voted no on most things

[meager flame]

And they won’t be

[icy relic]

But alas

[chrome lantern]

I voted no on the vast majority of specific rewards polled

[frail bough]

I just want to touch water

[icy relic]

No slayer master, no player owned island

[idle rapids]

hot take: sailing would've failed if it wasn't stuck in the middle of a poll with a bunch of unrelated questions

[frail bough]

No more grass for me

[icy relic]

It is a travesty

[meager flame]

Honestly if that really made people miss the question

[chrome lantern]

The last poll the only things I voted yes on were bank space, higher total worlds, horn (and also said it should be +4 uncharged to match celestial ring), and the exploration medallion

[meager flame]

They should keep it up that’s basically too dumb to vote territory

[chrome lantern]

Everything else was a very clear no to me

[frail bough]

Great news is that new poll system should fix this concern

[idle rapids]

the majority of people are apathetic at best and won't vote

[icy relic]

Jagex once again doing the thing

[chrome lantern]

I do hope the new poll format helps the issue of people just not reading

[icy relic]

Making more midgame powercreep weps because it gets reddit excited

When we literally just got black keris and arkan blade

[chrome lantern]

But Jagex has years of experience in writing polls and questions in ways that they will never fail

[icy relic]

Please tell me why we need gleaming rapier

[meager flame]

There’s a reading gif for this

[restive sapphire]

there's no way in hell midgamers will get rapier over zaxe right

[chrome lantern]

And the community never votes no except nail beasts and wildy

[hard axle]

we dont, but because zombie axe was ridiculous good, reddit just bobbed their head like a bobblehead

[chrome lantern]

Zaxe was already a problem

Should’ve just made cudgel more relevant

Minor stat buff and major drop rate increase from boss

[icy relic]

Now I am going to watch the wow streamers poking 400 ToA with their rag gear

[chrome lantern]

Add as a 1/1k to temple spiders

[ember token]

evil Jagex put the Sailing lock-in question in the middle of a small 10 question poll (which was one of the biggest polls of that year, going alive immediately after the summer summit ended) to trick people into voting yes, as osrs players just stop reading and mindlessly vote yes to everything when they see more than a single question in a poll

[icy relic]

And the viewers acting like they are giga god gamers for having super powercreep gear

[restive sapphire]

rapier is legit more restrictive than cudgel bc it's slayer locked

[hard axle]

it depends how easy it is to get

[meager flame]

I mean at this point people should probably just ride the demon train to loot and get off at araxxor

[hard axle]

like entirely dependent

[chrome lantern]

Didn’t need to make a weapon that’s high slash and also perpetuates the issue of crush weapons just being slash weapons with crush options

[hard axle]

I believe it's better than black gem

for toa

which is just like

??

[meager flame]

Lmao that sounds so insane for me to say but I’m not even kidding

Just blast all the demon content and go straight at the nox hally

[idle rapids]

it passed by a slim margin and its naive to think the latter part of what you said isnt true for some percentage of the community, i've watched streamers do it live before

[hard axle]

nhally is also nasty

[icy relic]

They won't touch ghrazi rapier or saeldor but we can have nox hally (better than old CLS)

[idle rapids]

Maybe to you its "the biggest poll" but to the avg runescape player who maybe plays 10 hours a week it was just a poll

The title wasn't sailing poll or anything like that

[icy relic]

I am just tired of the midgame slop

[tough nacelle]

I wish it was easier to time melee punish for k.o

[meager flame]

Yeah it was just the summit poll where they screamed from the heavens

[icy relic]

If they want to powercreep the game

[meager flame]

About all of it

[storm wraith]

Damn everyone just complains in here or what

[meager flame]

Everywhere

[restive sapphire]

we complain out of here as well

[chrome lantern]

Doesn’t do anything on 9+ anyway so not really relevant as you shouldn’t really use any supplies before deep delves

[meager flame]

Demon train eating good though

It gets you a whip dagger bludgeon hasta

[icy relic]

Commit to it and push up development on raids 4

And don't make doom and Yama in the state they are in

[meager flame]

All demonbane

All delve

And yama

And comes with infinite slayer exp while you do it

[icy relic]

I am just so tired of all the midgame slop that everyone uncritically accepts

[chrome lantern]

Demon-only account when (with exceptions to unlock WGS/AKD/Final Dawn/MM2)

[meager flame]

The only thing it doesn’t do is give you a real range weapon for non demons

And you could just go to like moons or whatever

[icy relic]

How much worse is scobow than bowfa? 25% ish?

[chrome lantern]

It’s slightly better than rcb diamond or msb

[meager flame]

I tried to figure this out a long time ago and idr now but I’m pretty sure it’s ass

[chrome lantern]

It’s a lot worse than bofa on non demons

[meager flame]

Like regular crystal bow no armor ass

[icy relic]

Man we used to do jad with raw crystal bows back in 2008

[meager flame]

Ya that’s how I did it on dialup in 2006

It was a different time

[chrome lantern]

I did my most recent main game Zuk with a crystal bow

I had the armor though

[icy relic]

I think I did that on the iron

Honestly pretty strong

[chrome lantern]

Nice haha I hadn’t met anyone else that used a regular crystal bow

[meager flame]

I still remember people trying to decide between msb crystal bow and karils xbow

[chrome lantern]

I was very rusty (my only other two kc are a year and two years ago with tbow) and ended with 1 dose of restore and nothing else

[meager flame]

And it was all vibes people just talked about what felt cool I guess literally no numbers

[chrome lantern]

But now my GIM has infernal so that’s a win

[restive sapphire]

respect for refusing to kneel to red prison

[chrome lantern]

I actually really enjoy CG but I’ve been enjoying doing other stuff

[icy relic]

I got giga spooned in CG anyway

It knelt to me

[chrome lantern]

And with 800 or so KC across accounts I wanted a break so I got like 200 kc and moved on for now

[icy relic]

I wonder why mains talk so much shit on CG

Even without enh it still pays more than their scuffed ass vorkath/zulrah runs

[meager flame]

It’s not just mains I think some people don’t like how basically

You can’t really upgrade and come back later other than leveling up and cox prayers

And those do make a big difference but people like to make things up like I’ll come back to tob when I get xyz

[icy relic]

I just see so many people talking about CG like nobody except irons should ever do it

And it's like... free money no supplies or gear needed

Pays more than doing more popular bosses with bad gear

[chrome lantern]

Unironically though

[restive sapphire]

in the short time duel arena and cg coexisted pretty good if u got cleaned

[chrome lantern]

Skill issue probably

[idle rapids]

Its fine it just gets boring grinding CG for a long time

Shobek just quit the game cause of CG

[chrome lantern]

More exciting than Vorkath xd

[meager flame]

Cg does skill issue a lot of people

It’s basically a vague check on all of the standard pvm mechanics

[chrome lantern]

I feel like with how much you can avoid CG now that’s probably more a result of his chat gaslighting him into the importance of a bofa than anything else

[tough nacelle]

CG isn’t fun after a while

[chrome lantern]

Because you can 1000% enjoy the game without bofa

[tough nacelle]

I think it’s feeling rushed for time

[idle rapids]

yes definitely and I feel bad for any of these wow players trying osrs they get backseated constantly

[tough nacelle]

Bowfa is definitely not needed now

It still helps because upkeep is low

[idle rapids]

When I was watching savix try out gridmaster, his whole chat was pressuring him to follow faux's guide constantly lol

[tough nacelle]

And for whatever reason

[idle rapids]

Instead of just having fun with his first temp event

[tough nacelle]

You need infernal cape instead of quiver

[meager flame]

I mean I would personally still get bowfa on an iron

[chrome lantern]

Like I enjoy CG but on my GIM I just went for eye instead tbh

[tough nacelle]

But the atals won’t save arrows

Which is soooo stupid

[meager flame]

Assuming I intended to play long term anyways

[tough nacelle]

Such a minor QOL for that specific weapon

To save arrows passively

[meager flame]

If it were an account I was rushing and it didn’t have a future

[icy relic]

Going for infernal over quiver is silly

[meager flame]

I’d maybe skip

[chrome lantern]

Don’t get me wrong, bofa is good and I will probably get it eventually

[icy relic]

Especially for atlatl

[chrome lantern]

But I hate camping one content for a long time, and the good news is that you never have to do that in OSRS

[tough nacelle]

But imagine it just didn’t lose arrows by default

[tough nacelle]

On iron you kinda do

[chrome lantern]

Not really

[tough nacelle]

Which is why it’s bad at endgame

[chrome lantern]

You can switch around a ton

I have a late/endgame iron lmao

[tough nacelle]

Eh I was locked outta upgrades outside cox for a while

[icy relic]

That's not specifically an iron problem

Its a megarare problem

[chrome lantern]

SRA/Shadow/Tbow/Zcb

[tough nacelle]

Legit all I could do to progress was cox

Or nex

[icy relic]

You're just rotating raids

[chrome lantern]

You don’t always have to play to progress either

[tough nacelle]

I had all uniques from Toa other than shadow

[icy relic]

And raids are fucking boring

[tough nacelle]

Yeah I just defined instead

Deironed

[chrome lantern]

Might be shocking but you can do stuff that you “finished”

[tough nacelle]

And had more fun

[tough nacelle]

Yeah I do that on main

[meager flame]

I still can’t believe people do that

[tough nacelle]

On iron it feels bad

[meager flame]

Granted my main is also max but like lol

I just can’t imagine going through it all then swapping to the mode where it would’ve been hundreds of hours faster

[icy relic]

Me going for 2nd SRA on an iron

[meager flame]

The other reason I can’t believe it is even if you want a main

New accounts are fun just make one

Why blow up the iron

[icy relic]

Why the heck not

[chrome lantern]

I got bored of my main at 2190 total

I would just switch to that

[meager flame]

I feel like you end up robbing yourself twice with the deiron thing

[restive sapphire]

with wise old man ur not finished w/ greenlog kek

[chrome lantern]

wym

[restive sapphire]

wise old man website has "achievements" for 10,000 kc for bosses

[meager flame]

It’s actually a unique experience both ways I’d bet too like when I got bored of my main my iron was super interesting

[chrome lantern]

I mean who cares

I don’t even care about official hiscores

Why would I care about some arbitrary third party website goals

[meager flame]

And if you did that backwards you’d get to level a main with a crazy amount of starting gp from your irons dupes

[chrome lantern]

That’s the point of this game is personal goalsetting and satisfaction

[restive sapphire]

im just pointing out prob the least healthy reason to do content

[analog crow]

Imagine caring about fan fiction achievements 😮

[meager flame]

Tons do take speed times for example

[analog crow]

Speedrun worlds need updates

Add all the stuff

[meager flame]

Yeah updated to be offline maybe

Lmao

[chrome lantern]

They would upgrade them if more than 3 people did them at once

I love quest speedrunning but the replayability is zero

Aside from WRs

I have Platinum trophy but no desire for WR or diamond

[meager flame]

Hate to say it but those worlds are charity there is an insane lack of interest on them

[analog crow]

yeah prob true

[idle rapids]

There's tons of stuff in the game with no replayability and thats fine, its an MMO

[analog crow]

maybe if they developed them more it would gain more interest

[idle rapids]

some stuff can just be something to check off

[chrome lantern]

Honestly they could probably collapse them to 1 world and have a rotation like PVP worlds if they really need to, for ping purposes

[restive sapphire]

crazy 2t timesave on home tele

[chrome lantern]

Would minorly need to address like hopping for bones for Demon Slayer in current method

[chrome lantern]

Also best graceful

[meager flame]

Ya I did it for the rewards bc I couldn’t stand my irons default graceful back in the day

[idle rapids]

that wouldnt be an issue you could just log out and wait a few seconds

[meager flame]

The home tele was the cool part though

[idle rapids]

Although if there was only 1 world it would have issues with multiple people trying to do it at onc e

[meager flame]

Tbh

[idle rapids]

More people have probably done QSR than tried out perma DMM

[ember token]

could just make the bones respawn about the same speed it takes to hop worlds

[meager flame]

Like gridmaster I actually think if they would budget more art team for speed running quests

I think it would be more popular

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that’s kinda what I would expect the solution to be, Data

[meager flame]

Something actually looking cool can go a long way towards convincing people

[idle rapids]

Well they didn't do that because the team for QSR did it in their own free time

To avoid complaints from the community that dev time got wasted on it

But people complain anyways

Was never supposed to be some big crazy hype thing

[meager flame]

Idk if they respect that concept enough though

When your only reward is cosmetic there is a pretty huge expectation there that the cosmetic is worth getting

It’s carrying the entire reason people might be compelled to try

[chrome lantern]

Honestly from the get-go it probably would’ve been fine to just make ground items respawn instantly with 0 delay, who cares if it’s not identical to normal world behavior

[meager flame]

So even though art resources are usually the most scarce

[chrome lantern]

Spam click bone 25 times

[meager flame]

You kinda can’t cheap out in that situation

[idle rapids]

I thought you meant like promotional art, didn't realize you mean the cosmetic rewards. For one, there is a practical reward, the 2t time save on home/grouping teles, and also, people do enjoy the appearance of the cosmetics, some1 here was just saying the graceful is their favorite version of it

I'm not huge on any type of graceful but I like the big clock you can get, one of few items that are animated when wielded

[meager flame]

Ya it’s the in game cosmetic rewards you kinda have to go in if it’s the only reward normal players even recognize

Like with gridmaster those honestly suck (sorry if you’re reading this) lol like

[idle rapids]

the gridmaster rewards are so bad lol I'm saving my event points for next year

[meager flame]

Yeah imagine how many more of us would play if they were exciting

[ember token]

nah theyre not bad, theyre just not really something you would expect as a reward from a temporary gamemode, like, i'd expect these to come from clue scrolls or something

[idle rapids]

if they were in clue scrolls they'd be worth alch price

I'd like to see some analogue to the dragon trophy on leagues, something that shows you finished the grid

[ember token]

well I mean most clue scroll rewards are worth almost nothing

[meager flame]

They do match clue scroll slop in the sense that it fits into the world somewhat thematically in most cases

While not being something you’d ever get up to go get

[ember token]

exactly

[meager flame]

Like the chapel upgrade is the only one I even considered for a second

[idle rapids]

chapel upgrade replaces bob icon

[meager flame]

I just want them to take more time to make something that people see and really want

[idle rapids]

main things I liked from previous leagues rewards: cosmetic kits for existing gear (like mystic ornaments), trophies of course, the trailblazer torch since its animated, and the twisted outfit since it just looks cool

[meager flame]

If it’s going to be the only reward other than the experience of playing

[idle rapids]

they cooked a little too hard on the DMM rewards

oh yeah thats something thats missing from this temp event that usually shows up in all of them, a home teleport transmog

[meager flame]

Tbh that’s how it should be the cape and voidwaker kit carried

That and low dmm interest carried the value of those points hard

Like I use the guthix dmm kit over the max cape variant because it’s just cool

[idle rapids]

yea the DMM capes are cool lookin

[meager flame]

I wish I could put those kits on a max cape

[idle rapids]

jagex, hire this man

[meager flame]

It would probably be the best cape in the game lol

[idle rapids]

make it so you need a blank max cape to do it, EZ gold sink too 😎

[copper nimbus]

When will jagex account recoveries be released? Player support roadmap doesnt have a date. I would like tog et my account back ASAP

@uneven parrot

[true talon]

Dont ping jmods, why are unable to recover your account in normal means? did you forget your password, did you not write down your 6 recovery codes or store them.

[copper nimbus]

email was compromised, codes were wiped

ive tried everything

been a month since theyve responded to my ticket

[true talon]

how can codes be wiped

[copper nimbus]

you can generate new ones lol

which im guessing they did

Ive tried tickets with no help at all. Then reddit, then twitter

last thing I can think of is messaging mods directly which i dont want to do

cause thats annoying but I have no options left

[hard axle]

they wipe when you generate new ones

[true talon]

Well they dont handle any type of account support. i know, i tried to get myself perma banned many years ago due to a staking addict.

[hard axle]

hope this helps

[true talon]

instead i was given a link to the jagex site to request my information be removed, which deletes everything related to jagex, which i did.

[hard axle]

its not well known because you know, you're not supposed to login 10x without auth

[true talon]

and it worked. i became an ironman in the future.

[copper nimbus]

i had authenticater, but like i said my email was compromised

[hard axle]

u used email auth?

that is...

[copper nimbus]

yeah regretting it now

[hard axle]

not smart

[copper nimbus]

oh i know

[true talon]

using email auth is not good security ever, moment they introduced jagex accounts i removed that shit.

[copper nimbus]

but i went almost 20 years without being hacked

[true talon]

if someone steals my acc, i got bigger issues than my runescape account.

[copper nimbus]

my emails for games are only used for games

never important stuff

[true talon]

i dont trust or use email ever. my authentication is handled directly to my personal devices. which means you need to hack that in order to get access to any of my accounts.

[copper nimbus]

wish i never linked it to a jagex account. Maybe then i could recover it

[hard axle]

have a secondary back-up phone too with the clones auth

[copper nimbus]

Well anyways

[hard axle]

i heard something auth seeds as a further back-up but idk

[copper nimbus]

I might have to just start dming every mod until i get a response

[hard axle]

they said winter 2025, so would wait til spring 2026

[true talon]

I mean personally if i lost my account and i truely loved the game, id just start over. nothing is better than making a new account in 2025 with all the new content released, esp if its an ironman.

[copper nimbus]

since i cant even get a reply as to when the jagex account recovery feature will come out

[hard axle]

cuz everything always gets delayed

[obsidian venture]

[true talon]

Runescape is a game of journey and progression

[copper nimbus]

or i could get my old account back and then not have to restart from 0

[true talon]

when you reach the end its over

[true talon]

starting from 0s only matters if your a main

[copper nimbus]

my jagex had my main and my hardcore

so both accounts gone

legit starting over twice

[true talon]

hardcores are only livin on borrowed time

[copper nimbus]

well now its gonna live forever

unless the hijacker suicided it lmao

[true talon]

prob did to steal the items

they are jerks like that

[copper nimbus]

I wonder why it takes jagex weeks to respond to tickets

like are they that understaffed

or just dont care

[hard axle]

right now, they can't

they literally can't give you accounts back because that was the entire problem with the old recovery system

it's like everyone forgot out of convenience but back when you couldn't change login emails or users and folks would recover you, they would do it repeated

and the account owners would blame jagex for giving their accounts away

[copper nimbus]

They have the ability to they just choose not to

I've seen them do it for other people

[hard axle]

they can only take characters off of accounts that have been hijacked

if u read even a smidge of what I just said, you'd see the problem with them being able to decide whether or not to give your whole ass jagex account away

[copper nimbus]

well then can they transfer the characters to a neww jagex account lmao

Idc about the actual jagex account, i want my characters back

especially cause it still has membership on it which im assuming is ticking down every day

[hard axle]

Pros and cons to both systems, but current system does put more emphasis on keeping your email secure and active

[copper nimbus]

seems like all i see everyday on reddit is people complaining they cant get their accounts back

So idk who this helps

[hard axle]

Everyone else who doesn’t get database leaked and recovered.

If you’re going to be intentionally obtuse, good luck.

A lot more people were recovery hacked back in the day lmao.

[true talon]

Remember when they said they couldnt return or generate items and then private servers showed you can make items out of thin air XD

[copper nimbus]

They have the ability to, they just choose not to

[hard axle]

They should never return items, because again, abuse of system

[true talon]

now they have the power to delete peoples bought GP if they deem it RWT

[copper nimbus]

I dont care about the items

I just want the characters

[hard axle]

I didn’t say you, you dummy

[true talon]

I agree, items should never be returned unless it was a provable game bug that caused the loss, insider corruption stole the items (mod JED)

[tough nacelle]

Yeah game bug

Definitely return items

[true talon]

And only if it was an ironman

[tough nacelle]

Which GIM happens

[tough nacelle]

Disagree here

[true talon]

i know that was just a joke part

[tough nacelle]

GIM there’s known bugs that delete items

[true talon]

lol

[hard axle]

Yep yep

[tough nacelle]

And they do return them

[hard axle]

Not just this

remember how dawnbringer deleted an acp

if game bug or jmod abuse, those are the only two times that should be returned

[true talon]

Watching UIMS cry over saying there is bugs to their death pile despawning is good stuff

[hard axle]

Couldn’t be me

[true talon]

Couldnt be me, because i will never partake in that mode.

[hard axle]

Put them on a 15 minute timer with gravestones

[true talon]

Death piles is just cheating the game mode tbh

same with death storage

the mode is just highly unlikely to be playable with only 28 inventory slots

[tacit wharf]

u have more

u have 27 + looting bag

[true talon]

looting bags is also cheating

its just banking ironman with limited options

if your not truely only using your 28 slots, your not a uim

stash units, death banks, looting bags ect

your just using extra storage options to improve your expierence in the game mode

as only using 28 slots would be miserable

and also not possible, because of how many fucking slots of gear you need to play XD

[ember token]

if you ever play with or interact with another player as an ironman, you're not a real ironman

[tacit wharf]

u need less than u think, gear wise

[ember token]

ironmen should be soloing every raid and boss they fight

[true talon]

Facts, sucks that irons are forced into group content

[hard axle]

Not forced anymore for anything except shield of arrav

[true talon]

I stand alone, but only when the game says i cant 🙁

[copper nimbus]

i saw that lol

[hard axle]

Yes yes

[true talon]

I understand why, but i also hate that irons can be taken though raids

[ember token]

irons can complete SoA with one of their own accounts to not break the rules

[true talon]

its meant to be a mode about playing by yourself, however there is a mmo aspect to playing with others

I played some SSF recently in poe2 and it was kinda crazy. your never interacting with the market or anyone outside of your class.

However that is brutal, as some of the grinds in that game is just not realistic in terms of time to obtain certain stuff.

[copper nimbus]

So i just went to twitter and they actually transfered characters to another jagex account last week. So idk why they wont do it for me

[kind surge]

it's meant to be a mode about self-sufficiency, not about never interacting with others

"Ironmen stand alone" is just a catchy phrase but isn't some golden standard that the gamemode is based on

[true talon]

if you interact with others your not self suficent as your engageing with someone and benefiting from someone's actions.

[kind surge]

and it's all based on contribution so I don't see the issue

[true talon]

if your lvl 100 ironman with d scimmie an your in tob with max mains, your no longer self sustain your self, your leeching off max players. and leading to your own gains by pulling a scythe.

If your a hermit who lives in the middle of nowhere and produced everything you have used up to this point and your engage with elon musk who hands you a billion dollars, your no longer a self sustain hermit.

Interacting and engaging with another player invalidates your status as stand alone self sustain account.

Unless said engagement does not benefit you in any way. which would be you just seeing players casually at the ge an saying hi

going into raids with others who are stronger than you is a direct benefit to you.

[hard axle]

Yeah, even with contribution, you get a massive benefit

from having friends

[true talon]

Its semantics, but its just truth

[kind surge]

and that's fine

this is an mmo

[hard axle]

Yep

Don’t forget DG tanking

Shaman stalling

[kind surge]

that's completely different than doing raids and bosses with friends lol

but alright

[true talon]

its still benefiting from other players inputs

[kind surge]

if you want those to be removed then I agree

[hard axle]

No no, I meant it’s just another example where interacting with others

[true talon]

I didnt say i want it removed, im saying i dislike the ability to be carried though content.

MEGASCALES was the absolute worst thing being allowed by jagex.

So glad someone grew balls and was able to put a stop to it

along with death matching and sand casino

Turning a blind eye to someone breaking your rules is the same as breaking your rules

People advocating for it, are the ones breaking your rules. because its a loophole that is allowing them to break your rules in order to prosper from it.

Its why CG is some peek ironman content, if you have a bowfa you earned it.

[kind surge]

I mean megascales were generally disliked by the playerbase, only people who had lots of gp on an alt do that

could've tackled it way sooner but at least they finally did

[true talon]

Id be willing to bet the ammount of money you needed to do mass mega scales did not come from GP alts

it was like 600m-2b a raid depending on what you purchased

[kind surge]

tbh yeah that too

rwt is a much harder issue to tackle though

but one less incentivised place is better, even though afaik it's still doable to megascale I think?

[true talon]

They tackled it well this time.
You buy gold you will have it removed and banned.
you sell gold you will be perm banned.

the piece they were missing is punishing the buyers

Remove the demand, kills the supply

[kind surge]

it's wild they didn't punish buyers for all this time

not even retrospect

it's just obvious

[true talon]

I mean its a corrupted system, someone was probably benefitting from it somewhere.

[kind surge]

with jagex's history, I don't doubt it

[hard axle]

I wish 3+12s weren’t the meta

Tbh

No alts

Just scaled up lmao

[true talon]

Never done a 3+12

[kind surge]

I wish dolos weren't incentivised for irons 😭

[true talon]

I just do 1+1 solo fake cm or normal solo cm

[hard axle]

give CMs like 10k bonus points for completing below GM time instead of the 5k

[true talon]

I mean they just need to make a CM like 9-10% unique chance

or lower scroll weight

then again dex is 41m now which is more than most items lol

[hard axle]

No, add an incentive to go fast

[hard axle]

Wait really

[true talon]

ITs coming down, but seems the entire economy is crashing atm

[icy relic]

All the doom bots gotta get their dex somewhere

[true talon]

Facts

[hard axle]

the 150b guy getting hacked caused a lot of inventory to get dumped iirc

[meager flame]

Stuff like this probably shouldn’t really be possible tbh

It implies some things about the content in general like

It doesn’t appropriately scale for certain numbers of people

Etc

[hard axle]

You can fix it by making CMs better

[meager flame]

As soon as people are scaling up the numbers enough that it’s obvious that the method probably means the boss can’t do anything to them

[hasty shard]

its not solos at least

[meager flame]

It probably means you shouldn’t be able to scale up to that point without actually having those numbers with you

Or that there should just be a cap to begin with

[meager flame]

Ya but this easily could be

We’re just lucky it isn’t efficient at the extreme end of things you could throw me at olm with nothing but some way to fix my energy and prayer

And then you’d just be testing how much time I want to waste

They should really avoid that type of thing and focus on getting people into their next raid instead of one giant grind of a raid that’s scaled to infinity

Being able to master the boss etc is cool but they should reward you for using that to go fast

Not by enabling you to add a million hp to the boss and sit in there

[true talon]

I liked the scaled baby CM a 1+1 is around 90k points for 50 minutes which can be improved if your better than me which aint hard to do lol

[meager flame]

Ya it’s just open to something giga degen

Since technically all that would really stop someone that really knows olm is I suppose the 6 hour log

It’s kind of just the most obvious extreme example of the same thing that makes toa not so great

Ultimately you learn to effectively be able to fight the boss for an extensive period of time even though honestly it’s not really fun to spend excessive amounts of time attacking giant walls of hp that as long as you execute perfectly won’t kill you first

Luckily for cox it’s not a mathematically good idea to waste your time like that but toa did optimally reward you for wasting your own time like that up to a point

And all that resulted was people feeling stressed out and exhausted after doing long drawn out and highly punishing boss fights

Instead of having fun trying to push to go faster

[glossy walrus]

The bank all feature is nice at ToB, but it could also be added to ToA

[true talon]

Like this is a baby CM were the monsters dont got 50% more hp and massive damage/defense and its only 1% worst unique chance over a CM

i literally did olm with 7 brews left lol

a CM is like 65k points

I have dust an 3 kits, so i dunno why i would bother doing cms

[wary bolt]

HD update When?

[tacit wharf]

when they announce it

[deep island]

when is the hd update

[ocean basalt]

When they release it

[steep tangle]

Blog coming likely next week per Mod Ayiza

[wary bolt]

Thank god

[torpid delta]

might just be a blog saying it's not ready yet and they're pushing it back yet again for a winter release rather than autumn, don't get ur hopes up

[viscid zephyr]

No way they're releasing the HD update this year with sailing in 3 weeks and then going on vacation in like 5 weeks.

They're going to be full, heads down for sailing up until they're out of office til the end of the year.

[torpid delta]

ye, and the renderer beta... hasn't really been improved at all since they put it out. if hd does somehow come out this year, it may as well not since having that thing on is just going to crash you every few minutes anyways.

[viscid zephyr]

PvM will be impossible with all the graphical issues that are sure to crop up.

[torpid delta]

i tried doing a dust devil task with it on the other day and a bunch of drops were under the floor and invisible, it was pretty great

[elder crystal]

Bro sooo many people on twitter are disliking the Sailing update thats coming.

They're rushing this like EOC

[ember token]

that's twitter for ya, that's where they all congregate and make twitter polls that get 500 votes and use them as proof that no one wants sailing

just don't tell them that the results of an official jagex survey shows that only around 10% of the playerbase uses twitter and discusses OSRS on it

[vivid ruin]

Can we please remove half of the gridmaster worlds. Its absurd how many there are lol

[elder crystal]

Could you possibly link the survey, and wasn't there a poll that was promised before sailing comes out?

[tacit wharf]

#sailing-chat message

[ember token]

why? they wouldnt get turned into normal worlds

[minor whale]

They're just temporary worlds and are being removed at the end of the event

It's not a big deal to have a shitload

[ember token]

no, they never said there was going to be a repoll before launch and idk why people are still claiming they did say that 2 years later

[vivid ruin]

When world hopping really quickly it can be

[ember token]

i lied its more like 17%, not 10%

[minor whale]

And of that 17% only 5% is "often"

[ember token]

aka, twitter is a vocal minority

[nocturne solstice]

Im glad there's more discourse on discord than reddit

[ember token]

both this discord and the 2007scape reddit tend to be pretty reasonable on sailing, there’s people from both sides of the argument with reasonable opinions, although i do know on the reddit there’s a few people on there to who sailing is literally the apocalypse for them and they seem to comment on every single sailing related post or comment lol

[minor whale]

At least on Reddit most of the doomers get downvoted or told they're being clowns
On Twitter it's just a cesspool where the most negative possible comments get pushed to the top of your algorithm

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah ive definitely seen a lot of one off comments or off-topic demands on twitter whenever a post is made, sailing or otherwise.

[torpid delta]

I don't think I've seen meaningful replies under osrs posts on twitter, maybe ever

it's just exclusively written out diarrhea

[true talon]

L bluesky

[neat hound]

where can i report a bug with the new polling system. question 8 seems to butcher the order of characters I type

[ember token]

right click the report button ingame

click report game bug

[neat hound]

cheers

[meager flame]

thats probably not how it really works for jagex

they have too many devs for that

the people that work on sailing plus a team that gets moved over to help any larger release will be working on it im sure

but many more devs will still be working on everything they were working on outside of sailing

im totally guessing but

i would assume the new renderer probably gets treated as default soon and they start talking about getting ready for hd tests in stages

they might also discuss things like their plugin hub progress

[tacit wharf]

guess we should know more next week, per ayiza

[floral blaze]

Are any of the new Sailing islands going to be in the wilderness 🤔

[tacit wharf]

im sure their will be once they open up that sea

[blazing quartz]

Any update on when dmm season starts?

[nocturne solstice]

iirc, after christmas

#old-school message

[split pelican]

Can anyone confirm if we have any details about the world map post-sailing?

Specifically, will ingame coordinates be changing to accommodate sailing waterways?

(ref: Automated Forestry Event Scout System at loghunters relies on ingame Coordinates)

[vivid ruin]

I do think that they may need to spread some of the areas out a bit (between karamja, crash island, crandor, the mainland, etc) for sailing, but im not sure if thats in the works

[true talon]

Hey they got 1 month to get it right, so heres hoping its not agility on water

I kinda hope they expand on kingdom of misc a bit to, i think having a kingdom you run is cool, however what it produces is pretty limited and long overdue an expansion.

[chrome lantern]

What would you want to be adding

I don’t really think it needs to do any more than it already does

[vivid ruin]

Eh kingdom of misc can add some newer items to it. But they'd probably have to figure out the balancing side of it. I havent used my kingdom is.... a decade.....

But im also not an ironman

[true talon]

How about automated processing at the cost of GP and supply of the materials.

Its not a system that has been expanded on much

Produce herbs from seeds provided to your kingdom's farmers.
Produce cooked food from raw provided to your chefs.
Produce planks from logs provided to your sawmill.

As i lay them out its more an ironman thing, but it could have profit incentives to mains to maintain, it really just matters on how you manage it or what you provide.
I think lost ark has a very good kingdom system in which you provide materials and it produces stuff at the cost of energy and resources.

Currently majority if not all of production is controlled by bots. so why not have systems in game in which players can interact with an manage to control production.

[steep burrow]

So, does this mean sailing is coming before HD? If so, I feel like the priorities are backwards. Getting people back into the game with Sailing and players seeing the beautiful water in HD would have been huge.

[frail bough]

they have said thats the plan, whether or not its still happening may be a different story

we should hear more this week

[midnight yarrow]

Did jagex recently relocate german server host locations? I can't find any information on it but the worlds went from 9-12 ms ping range to a 48-55 ms ping range.

[dire mango]

You sure it's not your ISP?

[midnight yarrow]

yep

Confirmed with multiple people in my clan and their ping on the german worlds has gone up too

[ember token]

not really sure what you’re asking or how coordinates have to do with being able to sail

Sailing is all in the world, it’s not instanced or a separate map or anything. Someone sailing right up the coast of Draynor Village when a forestry event occurs will be able to see the event

[split pelican]

I'm asking if the map/waterways will be expanding in areas, to permit boats to travel through. If tiles are injected anywhere, or removed anywhere (say between kourend and mainland) then the x,y coordinates of the map will shift

Every tile on the map has an x,y coordinate

[ember token]

no, it’s all the same world using the same water space that already exists, adding more space means either instanced oceans, or a tremendous amount of work updating a lot of things like coordinations to move entire landmasses

if you played the alpha, beta, or even the stress-test, or seen the map shown at comic-con or posted elsewhere, you’d see that all existing landmasses are in the same places

[split pelican]

I did not, hence my asking.

But gotcha. That's all I needed to know. Happy to hear everything is staying in the same place. Makes my life easier

Thanks

[ember token]

this map is out of date compared to the beta map but my pic of the beta map is too high res to post in discord

but it should give you an idea

[split pelican]

Wouldn't mind taking a peek at the high res beta map picture if you were willing to upload it somewhere and dm it to me. Not an issue though either way. Appreciate the info

[ember token]

lemme see if the wiki has it

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/Sailing_beta_world_map.png?6c5df

[split pelican]

Awesome thanks!

[vast crater]

Which items will get more expensive bc of sailing

[tacit wharf]

not to be that guy, but why would someone tell you that, like why would they give you that info after they've done the research into what items are needed for sailing and then mess up their own merch?

[vast crater]

The opportunity cost to ask is 0

Might as well

[restive siren]

all mats that are required for sailing so planks n shit probably. but also possible that people have already horded so much that they will crash, impossible to tell

[tacit wharf]

u know what, thats very true

[ionic tartan]

Check https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Sailing_Launches_on_November_19th!#Launch_tips:, the devs mentioned planks a lot in their "launch tips".

[restive siren]

the most profitable things will probably be the new mats coming with sailing

[ionic tartan]

And yeah, it's mostly new mats that you'll need so it's better to train up skills if you can.

[vast crater]

Sell the shovels when people go for the gold 🤑

Also mahogany planks are rising we are in a bubble lol

Cant wait to buy the dip and make GP from the correction 🤑

[restive siren]

everything has already risen

all planks, nails, most ores

but ye probably will keep going for a while

[vast crater]

True

Risky markets rn

[restive siren]

ye

[chrome lantern]

Weird that this map doesn't have Stam Pot Bridge

[ember token]

its not actually present on the world map as you have to build it yourself

[idle rapids]

https://cdn.runescape.com/assets/img/external/oldschool/2024/newsposts/2024-08-21/Barrage.gif

[round lintel]

One thing im concerned about is the xp rates sounds like they will agility like awfully slow.

Music cape will be locked for weeks now if not over a month due to island unlocks

xd

[obsidian venture]

Sounds chill to me

[round lintel]

hell nah 250+ hrs on max efficiency is not chill

[chrome lantern]

I don’t really know why you’d have that impression tbh

[ember token]

idk what you mean by "sounds like" when they havent said anything about it being slow

[chrome lantern]

I would expect hybrid methods to be a bit slower but if you’re focusing training or doing something like Barracuda trials?

I would be surprised

[ember token]

the most recent thing they said on xp rates was that it would be faster than runecrafting but slower than fletching

at the comic-con event

[obsidian venture]

what's fletching capped at

[ember token]

average xp is "mid range"

[chrome lantern]

So somewhere 100k-400k xp/hr. Big range.

[obsidian venture]

ye

[chrome lantern]

Or Millions if you do darts

[obsidian venture]

so sounds fine

[round lintel]

On the alpha time stream they said 100k ish

[obsidian venture]

100k is fine

[round lintel]

in like sepulcher type

thats not fine

xd

[chrome lantern]

Why is that not fine

[obsidian venture]

I'd like them to lower it to rc so that folks can mald more tbh

just weed out the folks who can't grind

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that agility and rc are still faster than slayer

[obsidian venture]

robloxpvm

[ember token]

regardless of the specific number, why does it matter what they said back around the alpha when we're much closer to launch and they've balanced the xp rates

and given us a more up to date idea of what the xp rates will be like

they also said upwards of 180k or something like that at some point, but it's not relevant either

they said 2 days ago it's going to be mid-range

that's whats relevant

[round lintel]

idk bout you all but skilling isnt everyone's passion specially those repetitive things for high mouse/keyboard time with low xp rates aint no way yall up to 300 hrs skills, I mean im not saying it should be 5 hrs to 99 like fletching if you have gp

but i dont think itll be good if you make it slow either

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine tbh

It’s not for everyone and that’s ok

Doesn’t mean you need to cater stuff

Some folks have played longer than me and haven’t maxed

If you don’t like it, then there’s other things you can do

Lots of speed runners aren’t maxed because they also don’t like skilling. Pvpers as well and moreso in abundance

And that’s a healthy approach for the game which is why max parties still are so awesome to celebrate

[ember token]

if it ends up being 100k xp an hour max somehow, which I would be heavily surprised as Jagex is not stupid and knows that a lot of people aren't going to like if it's among the slowest skills, i'd be okay with that

[narrow folio]

100k an hour for afk rates 🙏

[ember token]

they've said the xp rates will be mid-range and now all we can do is wait and see what that actually means

[novel jay]

May have already been answered, but how will PvP only worlds handle sailing?

[ember token]

I think that's unknown

my guess would be that it works as normal, basically

you can attack them normally from your ship nearby, or on their ship, and they just risk their inventory, you're not getting their cargo hold or anything

[meager flame]

I mean honestly it doesn’t matter how long it takes so much as it matters what you’re doing with that time

Like for example slayer is very slow however if you play your account properly you’re accomplishing several things at the same time so ultimately it doesn’t feel like the worst skill in the game to the vast majority of people

Mining is the opposite where it’s relatively slow as well but you’re accomplishing absolutely nothing of worth so it feels terrible

Basically skill pacing is linked directly to reward space and meaningful progression in the way most people will perceive how good or bad it is

It’s possible this skill comes out and at least for the moment it turns out that there isn’t really much you’d care about and it will be seen the same way people see gathering and agility

Which probably isn’t really the release they want

And so faster rates than those skills would go a long way in mitigating that reaction

[icy relic]

Also a lot of time will be spent folding planks

and presumably that does not give any sailing xp

either folding planks or buying them at exorbitant costs

[vivid ruin]

I just hope that its not obtuse xp rates like our artisan skills

[meager flame]

i dont really think we're going to need that many planks

maybe im wrong but it honestly just doesn't make any sense

unless they intend for you to repeatedly build your ship for xp it doesn't really make sense for your tiny row boat to require 4k planks

[vivid ruin]

Yeah maybe for repairs or if you can upgrade the ship somehow. But i didnt even play the alpha or beta, havent read anything about the skill. Im going in blind for fun

[meager flame]

healing in your boat is actually

not great thematically lol

this isn't really much of a spoiler but basically

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Repair_kit

so basically expect tiers of those probably with somewhat annoying to obtain types of nails

[still sundial]

we got food for boats now damn

[meager flame]

yeah lol on one hand it does work like the rest of osrs so i guess its not terrible

but on the other

the actual process of making those assuming you need many of them seems kind of

inconvenient

for example imagine you have to go to a new island and chop down new high level trees then turn around and make adamant nails

[still sundial]

hopefully they're maybe obtainable from salvaging or something

[meager flame]

get paste and use them all together

that's so annoying compared to fish shark and then cook

[blissful trout]

sounds very profitable

no ones gonna wanna do that shit

big market

[meager flame]

yeah but it will be ass compared to just doing pvm

and less fun

[still sundial]

I didn't get around to testing the combat but I guess there's no "protect prayer for boats" so you'll kinda want to have a way of healing the boat no matter what

[meager flame]

yeah

the question is how often you actually use them

[vivid ruin]

Hopefully theres a 1 tick heal method

[meager flame]

like if you only need them for legitimately messing up and otherwise you can just sail better to not take damage

[vivid ruin]

[meager flame]

it would probably feel more okay

[still sundial]

actually maybe an idea for a boat facility would be some sort of way to protect it against a type of damage akin to prayers, could be interesting...

and if there's a boss with jad phase you'd have to run between "mage protect facility" and "range protect facility" instead of swappign prayers

[vivid ruin]

New prayers based on follower type?

[blissful trout]

id rather have it so you shoot the attacks out of the sky with different cannons like house of the dead

[chrome lantern]

Slayer by far the worst skill

[bold portal]

Wasn’t HD supposed to come before sailing

[chrome lantern]

Did they ever say that

I don’t recall but it’s possible

[still sundial]

that rings a bell to me

[meager flame]

yeah you might think that but just looking at players who play the game

theres no way jagex can look at it and think that

its one of the most successful skills in the game and its not even close

[chrome lantern]

Because it’s shoved down the throat so hard that you have to put up with it

[meager flame]

because their players liked it and kept asking for more slayer

theres really no way around it lol

[vivid ruin]

Slayer really is horrible lol. Imo it needs a rework. People do slayer not for the sake of doing slayer

[meager flame]

you really think people kept asking for more slayer content slayer qol slayer expansions slayer bosses

because they didnt like it

[chrome lantern]

It’s just such a constrained skill. Little to no control over what you actually do to train it, even with/made worse by the task/skipping/Turael systems, slowest skill to train in the game, and it’s made so much worse by the limitations of imbued heart and the existence of the slayer helm at all

[vivid ruin]

They do it for the bossing, if they get a bossing task

[meager flame]

they love that shit lol

[chrome lantern]

I think people associate things they like - that don’t need to be forced into slayer - with slayer in a misguided way

That makes them think that what they want is more slayer

But is actually just stuff that doesn’t need to be limited to slayer

[vivid ruin]

Imo, slayer should consist of a post board with a few options to choose from and when the task is done you get an xp drop based on difficulty. Bosses should be in a dungeon that you have to fight through