game-update

[meager flame]

and if that were actually true then yeah

but lol

[true talon]

If a pet takes to long to get without paying for scaling alts, then its time to re-think time to obtain certain items.

[median wing]

i think ppl account share more often than servicing accounts

[meager flame]

theres no reason to boost people forever where does the gp go is everyone actually just holding it forever or buying clues to try to finish the clog

obviously not some of them are selling it

[sharp cave]

If u are going to argue that then its time to take a look a bonds as a concept

[median wing]

like 4 ppl will share an account and use it to pvm

[meager flame]

it just is what it is

[true talon]

services are done for gold only, but the gold is purchased from bots. youd have to be in complete denial to think that someone paying 100b for services is doing it from their own 15m an hour grinding sessions of pvm only.

[sharp cave]

If a skill or item is so time intensive that player would rather buy gold legit or not,then its a problem

[meager flame]

oh i know i boosted on wow for like actually forever

[true talon]

I also boosted in wow

[meager flame]

i've had buyers get banned mid run and kept the gold

[obsidian venture]

You’d be surprised at how many people actually use their earned gp

[true talon]

those service discords are ran like companies

[meager flame]

i know people that sell the gold we got from boosting

literally paying their bills

its just how boosting actually goes

[median wing]

those people need to be name and shamed honestly

[meager flame]

jagex is just being naive

[dire mango]

It is kinda cool that players choose to pay each other with in-game gold for things other than items though. It's something outside what jagex originally intended and has always been a thing since early rs with paying people for help with skilling, crafting armour, etc.

[meager flame]

yeah the concept is cool but its also extremely problematic

[median wing]

all of these toxic boosters will do speedruns for people but then be nasty as heck

[true talon]

its drastically problematic, because its not paying for "help" its paying to skip the grind.

your disgusing the crime as "helping"

[sharp cave]

What's the difference between paying someone 14m or 7 dollars though?

[median wing]

posting their screenshots of completed "tickets" with the names blurred out

[dire mango]

you could always do that. paying for rc runners is skipping the rc grind.

it's not new

[true talon]

yes and it should be stopped

[sharp cave]

But what harm does it do to you?

[median wing]

who the heck is actually buying essence runners

[meager flame]

see the problem is when people realize that you can

[sharp cave]

I could buy 14m with 7 dollars and then use the gold to pay them

[dire mango]

rich people that wants a max cape but cba skilling

[meager flame]

thats when the whole idea explodes and goes down in flames lol

[true talon]

It doesnt matter what service you buy, they should all be made illegal. if you want something you get it yourself.

[median wing]

essence running is still terrible xp per click

[meager flame]

just because jagex says you can't doesn't mean that they don't try it and find out they can

[median wing]

probably less than gotr

[true talon]

if you want the BA pet then you get your ass into BA

[dire mango]

there is a game-mode spesifically made for this

[true talon]

If you want a max cape, then you start grinding.

[median wing]

personally I don't have a problem with services

I think that it's mostly made up

[true talon]

Allowing shortcuts is why there is a problem.

[median wing]

most people just share the full account

or they buy the full account

[sharp cave]

Bonds are a problem and should be removed

[true talon]

I think instead of doing 8 years of college, ill pay for 8 years and have the degree the next day.

Can we have irl services to skip the grind?

[hidden bough]

Its a game

[sharp cave]

However they won't as now botters have to use fraud to get memberhsip

[dire mango]

are we equating osrs grinds to college degrees now

[hidden bough]

😂😂

[median wing]

I think that things are fine the way they are rn

[sharp cave]

Bonds only real purpose is to give botters an easy legal issue free way you get membership

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

This guy is NOT Spitting

[true talon]

no im comparing the art of obtaining something such as a 8 year degree to same system as progressing your in game character. if your offered shortcuts to skip over 8 years by paying. then why wouldnt you? other than it removes the expierence of getting it yourself.

[obsidian venture]

Love bonds ngl 🥰

[obsidian venture]

It’s a very dumb example

Try not to use it again or explain it

[meager flame]

idk why people are using insane examples when its pretty simple

[obsidian venture]

You obviously can’t do it irl. But this is a GAME

[meager flame]

realistically we should all be playing the game and earning our achievements whatever they may be

[true talon]

Because you dont understand that they are the same, doesnt mean its dumb example.

[median wing]

you can totally do it irl

[meager flame]

its not really a great look to pay people in any form to kinda do it for you

like

[obsidian venture]

It’s a very dumb example. Think everyone here would agree they have lost braincells reading that

[meager flame]

thats not how playing games is supposed to go

[obsidian venture]

We see what you’re trying to say but that’s like piss poor

[median wing]

that is ok

[sharp cave]

Whales are not here to play the game though

And that won't be resolved till bonds are gone

[median wing]

I think that shibane and market guard properly defended the interests of their service provider friends

[true talon]

Most people making strong cases like this are just service sellers defending it.

[obsidian venture]

If Jagex did a blanket restriction on ALL types of boosting I’d be fine with that. If they strictly enforced no rwt and no login, that’s also fine

[median wing]

yes and I think they did a great job

[true talon]

Those who speak the loudest are the ones who will be impacted the most.

[obsidian venture]

I don’t engage with services nor have used them myself and everyone around me knows that

Yet I can see the difference

[meager flame]

oh yeah there is a difference they're not 1:1 the same thing but some % of the people engaging with what appears to be the legit way of doing it

are actually turning around and selling the gp

[obsidian venture]

Because unless it’s a blanket resolution, the latter of what I suggested will most likely be it

[dire mango]

Yep, Big Service is lining my pockets as we sepak

[true talon]

no1 creates these discords, pays staff and moderation and creates the scripts out of the goodness of offering a service to the player base.....

and if you think that, well i got a bridge to sell you.

[meager flame]

well duh i mean lol i guess i could see someone believing it if they've never been involved in any game

but once you actually are you realize that everyone kinda knows who is selling the gold etc

[median wing]

that is great news

[true talon]

Ive been in service discords for other games, they are like full blown companies. they have HR and ticketing, they have devs, they have spreadsheets, they have finacing, they literally are ran like companies lol. when your being paid out after your boost, you got like payroll department mailing you gold.

[sharp cave]

Sus

[true talon]

All of that is not managed for free

[meager flame]

ya gallywix

lmao

[true talon]

Yep gallywix

and hadouken

i was also apart of accelerate back in SL i sold a lot of sylvannas kills which i still got left over gold from many expansions later.

[dire mango]

Wdr has most of this administrative stuff as well. Ask the mods how much they make.

[true talon]

they are a community discord, not one set up to accept gold or sell services.

[median wing]

wdr indirectly makes the gp by tanking the quality of the raid making boosting services desireable

[true talon]

you cant flag WDR under the samething as services

They offer a service, but they dont charge for it.

[dire mango]

Its not, im just saying ppl are willing to do a lot of stuff for free.

[true talon]

oh for sure, but selling services is not one of them

or else it wouldnt be "selling"

[obsidian venture]

Yes but the point he’s making is that wdr has a fully fleshed out structure with a good system for handling a lot of things

And for free

No one has to be on salary

And Wdr has some original scripts you either have to make or buy for a a lot lmao

I’ve seen some services discords and they don’t “employ” folks to run it

Osrs isn’t wow or whatever you’ve been a part of but yes I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some discord operating like that

(Haven’t seen any)

[dire mango]

Didn't jagex get a few servicing discords shut down relatively recently?

[obsidian venture]

Yes a whole list

[idle rapids]

30 minute afk only on official client and not runelite?

[sacred skiff]

What can you even afk for 30 mins at a time though

[compact flicker]

It's just nice to have the client online while you're busy with things, not having to always log back in

Click rock, go for a shower, click rock again

[dire mango]

Bankstanding

[sacred skiff]

Lol I read that as "climb rock"

Like damn you're scaling + osrs

[hidden bough]

So basically you’re frustrated that other people pay to skip grinds and wont feel the satisfaction of completing the grind

I fully understand what youre saying but thats people their own choice

[true talon]

it dont bother me, im saying that the behavior like this is what causes rwt and mass bot farms, creating incentives to use mass ammount of GP to bypass grinds is a honeypot to create gp to sell.

[idle rapids]

Any combat skill, agility with POH agility

[compact flicker]

I paid for BA services to carry me through some really non-enjoyable content for me

For as long as the services are allowed it's nothing but something else boosting the game's economy in some way

[mild saddle]

don't you stop attacking after 10min? idr

i think 10min afk is the max, maybe that agility method works

[idle rapids]

Yes you do, but NPCs dont adhere to the same limit. You can fight desert NPCs or NMZ npcs endlessly

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I'll grant you POH agil, but most combat stops after ~10 mins unless you're doing aggro pots

[mild saddle]

yeah but you don't attack back

[idle rapids]

By desert NPCs I specifically mean bandits

[mild saddle]

you just get hit

[sacred skiff]

And in that case you're not truly afk more than the length of the pot

[idle rapids]

Auto retalliate

[mild saddle]

yeah but you don't attack

[sacred skiff]

Oh yeah bandits are always mean, true

[mild saddle]

you just get hit

go try it

[idle rapids]

I guess you dont know what auto relliate is

[mild saddle]

you stop hitting

[sacred skiff]

It's true

YOu do stop fighting back

[mild saddle]

if you don't interact with the screen at all, you stop attacking

[sacred skiff]

They did that after people were doing overnight nmz lmao

[mild saddle]

yeah

[idle rapids]

spin the camera then

[mild saddle]

6hr nmz

[sacred skiff]

After like 10ish minutes

[idle rapids]

you could 6 hour combat until very recently

[sacred skiff]

Spinning camera or holding space don't work any more

after the time limit

[mild saddle]

yeah camera spin wth weight could work, idk if you'd get flagged though

[idle rapids]

hmm ill test it 🙂

[sacred skiff]

(permanently) spinning the camera

[mild saddle]

oh they patched it? i kind of rememebr talk about that working for a bit

[idle rapids]

yea thats what i mean ofc

[sacred skiff]

Occasionally spinning it does work, but then you're not afk

[idle rapids]

it got patched to avoid the 6 hour logout

[mild saddle]

yeah, you can even just hover over anything or right click and that'll get you going again

[idle rapids]

But idk if I believe ford it that it doesnt even let you bypass the 10 min timer

[sacred skiff]

You're welcome to try it!

It might bypass the timer, but it won't bypass autoretal breaking after 10-15 mins full afk

[mild saddle]

yeah you can logged in 6hr

but will do nothing for 5hr and 50min

[heavy ledge]

Auto-retaliate still stops with the camera spinning

[idle rapids]

It doesnt bypass the timer

[mild saddle]

so yeah no 30min afk afaik

[idle rapids]

At least according to the dude who made videos on all the 6 hour afk methods

[mild saddle]

maybe, that agility method but even that idk

[idle rapids]

usually it was used for combat

[heavy ledge]

Also I think it's a 20 minute timer, not 10?

[mild saddle]

i could be wrong for sure

but i swear i've noticed on the very tailend of crab sometimes i'm standing still

so that would be 10min

[idle rapids]

im gonna have to unplug my mouse cause it kinda jiggles on its own just from dust under the sensor

That would let me afk 6 hours but I doubt thats allowed lol

[mild saddle]

yeah sounds risky for a macro flag

[idle rapids]

It says on the wiki page [[splashing]] you can attack 20 mins without stopping

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Splashing

[idle rapids]

so ig 10 not 20

[mild saddle]

interesting, been a while since i splashed but i could've sworn it was 10

[heavy ledge]

"Combat itself also has an idle timer. When the player idles in combat for over 20 minutes, they will stop retaliating, even if Auto Retaliate is enabled in the Combat Options. This timer can be reset by left- or right-clicking anywhere within the game window, typing, or moving the camera using the keyboard. The following actions will not reset the combat timer: moving the cursor within the game window, activating the client window, changing client settings, or any inputs using a mouse wheel. " from [[idle]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Idle

[idle rapids]

That might be outdated cause im 99% sure moving the camera does count

Ever since they added hardcore escape crystal

unless they just changed it again recently

I mean moving the cursor not camera

[heavy ledge]

I know moving the cursor counts for the log-out idle time, but does it affect the combat timer?

[idle rapids]

yes

[mild saddle]

i wonder if i somehow didn't have auto-retal on when i did my splashing or something, swore it was 10min

[heavy ledge]

It's under its own header of "combat timers" which implies they're different

[idle rapids]

at least it used to

[mild saddle]

but anyway, there's no 30min afk

unless you count like farm run

[shadow wave]

No, you need to actually click

[idle rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4qkVMTgPYA

wrong vid

rip 6 hour training

[heavy ledge]

Also, going back to this it implies that having something on the keyboard arrow keys would still work. Would like to hear if anyone tests it

[mild saddle]

6hr afk has been actively patched out whenever it has popped up for like a decade

[heavy ledge]

Becasue I'm like 99% sure that it doesn't reset the combat idle timer

[mild saddle]

but every few years some update messes it up and it sticks around a bit

[idle rapids]

whenever it has popped up meaning 1 time?

It was around when the game came out, got polled and patched out, and when they added escape crystal its been back since then

Until like 1-2 months ago

I got a few million agil exp afking overnight

[mild saddle]

i'm fairly sure it's happened more than once

i think when RL first got the green light, the extended afk timer worked differently than it does now and kept you attacking for example

because they copied never log from cheat clients which was a soft-macro

[idle rapids]

thats not 6 hour afk

interesting to know though

[mild saddle]

i remember you were able to 6hr afk attack the crabs in cox for a bit

when they first changed them to be 1t

it was crazy xp

[earnest pawn]

rl just changes the counter basically

i miean the inactive log out

the 5 minute or whatever the original is

[idle rapids]

so what youre saying is you could 6 hour afk before they added escape crystal, but only with a cheat client

[idle rapids]

okay i can attest spinning the cam doesn't work

[tacit wharf]

since gemcrab ive been in the camp of just getting rid of splashing all together

[small anvil]

Splashing matters for low HP accounts

[tacit wharf]

they can alch

or splash debuf spells

[small anvil]

And like, you don't have to remove splashing

People are choosing the crab

That's good, and naturally reduces the amount of people splashing

[tacit wharf]

not the actual act of splashing, im talking about sitting and splashing on a single monster for 6 hs

[small anvil]

Why does it have to be removed?

They made other options, people pick them, what's the issue

[tacit wharf]

honestly, the same reason they removed it around lumbridge, its unsightly

[small anvil]

I hardly see it as there's gonna be less of it

Why does it offend you so much that you think it should be abolished completely

Removing one of the absolute classic things in RuneScape

Is weird

[tacit wharf]

was in the camp when it first came about that it should of been removed right away then

[small anvil]

Splashing is like iconic imo

Splashing has existed since before old school

Sure confusing new players I get that, they took action against it

[tacit wharf]

splashing like it is, hasnt been around as long as you think

[small anvil]

It's like one of the quintessential weird unique things about RuneScape

People splashed back in 07 or whenever

[tacit wharf]

and the only ones that use to do it before that were the debuff splashes, typically around the wilderness ditch

[small anvil]

It was just expensive to do

[tacit wharf]

and those most often than not, where bots

[small anvil]

This seems like a personal preference thing rather than game health

Or anything remotely objective honestly

[tacit wharf]

havent stated it as anything other than personal preference

[idle rapids]

well you can't 6 hour afk anymore they patched it apparently lol

[mild saddle]

splashing is cool

i like it and think it should stay

[hard axle]

6 hour anything is broken imo

[meager flame]

tbh idk if it really even matters

[mild saddle]

i don't think there's any 6hr stuff anymore though

current splashing is fine is all i mean

[meager flame]

like you can afk any combat stat to any level you want basically for free if you can interact with the game once every like 15 mins

i have a hard time thinking there is really anything left to lose on that front

[idle rapids]

combat stats been devalued forever

POH agility can be good to afk but its so expensive

So seems balanced to me

[meager flame]

tbh

[hard axle]

its 40m

[meager flame]

i think most skills also hold little to no value at the point we're at

[hard axle]

that aint that expensive in the grand scheme of things

[small anvil]

Expensive!

[mild saddle]

tbh, of all things, i think devaluing combat stats is totally fine

[idle rapids]

i thought its 55m for a full course, or alternatively you use 2 alts to splash you and need no money on the main acc

[mild saddle]

scurrius xp should've been doubled

[idle rapids]

but then youre buying 2 bonds

[hard axle]

but that's why bots get away with it easier

[mild saddle]

fair enough

bots make everything harder

[hard axle]

naguas shouldn't have been good xp

imo

[mild saddle]

naguas are junk idk

[hard axle]

they need to respect the balance chart

[meager flame]

we're in like a weird era of the game where

[small anvil]

Horse is out of the barn on that though

[mild saddle]

waste of time

[hard axle]

if it's more AFK, it needs to be much less XP

than active methods

[meager flame]

the ez scape memes and stuff kind of came true but people dont seem to realize it

[mild saddle]

aren't naguas like 3-4min afk + picking up drops

[hard axle]

cuz the community is full of adhd riddled gacha gamers now

[mild saddle]

feels bad compared to 10min afk crab

[idle rapids]

idk I think its fine to make combat ezscape as hell just because 6 hour cheese was possible at the start of OSRS, and also recently until they patched 6 hring

[meager flame]

like leveling up your skills means nothing in this game at almost all times now

and most of them are drastically faster and easier than ever before

[mild saddle]

and all the engaging content reqs 90+ stats

[idle rapids]

Yep exactly

[mild saddle]

idk i'm fine with combats being a meme

[hard axle]

[idle rapids]

its not a good new player experience when they aren't doing anything exciting and you have to tell them "just train for like 200 hours itll get good"

[mild saddle]

again scurrius should've been 2x what it is for the effort

[meager flame]

its not just combat though like

i have two maxed accounts and honestly there are only a couple of things that ever matter

[idle rapids]

quests?

[meager flame]

most skills are just doa

[mild saddle]

you mean like in terms of actual payoffs for skilling?

[idle rapids]

Doing OQG seems super important for new acc

[meager flame]

quests are more important than any skilling

[mild saddle]

i'm ok with that enough

[meager flame]

no just like in terms of actually playing this game

i have a smithing level but so what

doesn't do anything

[mild saddle]

arcane

[idle rapids]

lets you make 500k/hr in f2p

[meager flame]

you need 83 con

[mild saddle]

but yeah skilling on a main is just number go up

i don't think that's a problem really

[meager flame]

77 prayer

[idle rapids]

I like that about it

[meager flame]

enough agility to not need stams for your content which is easy

[idle rapids]

There's pet chance too for gathering skills

[meager flame]

and some combat stats

and thats the game

[mild saddle]

QPC

some diaries

idk i think it's ok

[small anvil]

I'm fine with 99 mostly not marrying

Mattering

[meager flame]

its a bit deeper than that though most skills are just a very glorified quest requirement

[mild saddle]

yeah

for mains they almost all are

and when jagex doesn't do that, it's honestly kind of annoying

90 smithing or whatever for ward (f)?

[small anvil]

Those quest requirements are like the main gameplay loop

Or clue steps

[meager flame]

idk i think the game is a lot better when you level up your skills and that actually does something for you

[small anvil]

Things that drag you into doing different things are good

[meager flame]

and i dont even mean at 99

[mild saddle]

OSRS has always had skilling being for the sake of skilling

this isn't skyrm

[meager flame]

i just mean in general like if i have a brand new account i feel like i should want to get in there and do something with these skills

but fact is theres basically nothing

somehow

[idle rapids]

Getting 200m in a skill is satisfying cause you just gain ranks passively when people get banned

[mild saddle]

skills matter for irons

[meager flame]

even then most of them dont

[mild saddle]

making skills matter for mains is not that fun, the option to choose is good i think

[small anvil]

This is the "make Skilling profitable" thing all over again lol

[mild saddle]

like overloads sucked

[meager flame]

i dont even care about profitable i just mean like

[small anvil]

Divine SCB making

[mild saddle]

that's not what he's saying

[meager flame]

why cant i do something that i care about that helps me when i level up skills

[small anvil]

Get more per shard

[mild saddle]

he means like spec pot

which i don't like

[small anvil]

You unlock better methods later?

[meager flame]

its actually crazy we have tons of content so many avenues for ideas and they managed to do

almost nothing with any of our skills lol

[small anvil]

Or other methods*

Amethyst

[mild saddle]

unlocking amethyst is not some win for a main

[small anvil]

It's great afk

[mild saddle]

for mains, most skills are useless

mining is niche for toa / cox, agil comes up

[meager flame]

even as an iron many of our skills are useless

especially once your level is higher

like take crafting as a random example

[mild saddle]

is that true? tbh i don't think it is if you look at it

[small anvil]

Is your complaint that you want a skill to unlock something you value? Or something to help train that skill?

[mild saddle]

crafting has zenytes?

[meager flame]

you can make a few one off items ever in the history of your account

thats tragic

[mild saddle]

crafting has a big payoff i disagree

[small anvil]

What exactly do you want, I'm not clear on it

[meager flame]

yeah the payoff is wasting your time for nothing outside of making a couple of items once ever and then forgetting it ever existed

[mild saddle]

zenytes and amethyst are both real

[small anvil]

They made oath smithing and rancour and cloth

[meager flame]

most skills end up like that

[small anvil]

Like it sounds like you're saying skills have little intrinsic reason to exist

Which I agree with but like

That's the game

[meager flame]

or take smithing

[mild saddle]

this is nonsense, you always look at your zenytes and remember colelcting seaweed, doing sgm, blowing glass, cutting gems from cg, making dhide from vork

[hard axle]

reminder they refuse to up skilling requirements on quests to make it worth leveling

[meager flame]

blacksmithing in a fantasy universe is one of the strongest and most thought out themes they could have

and they did fuck all with it

its kinda crazy

[mild saddle]

skills being more useful for more chores is whatever, and crafting does have that with amethyst

[small anvil]

Oath

[mild saddle]

smithing used to be good for making rune darts

for a chore

[small anvil]

Like I genuinely don't get the argument. Do you with it made bis gear or something?

[mild saddle]

he wants to do chores with his 90 skills on his iron more

[small anvil]

The market economy makes that not viable mostly

[mild saddle]

like farming and herblore

[meager flame]

you just cant do anything with your skills if you want to

[small anvil]

Turn rune ore into gp

[meager flame]

why you can turn scythe swing into 100x more gp

[mild saddle]

processing rune ore is really high gp/hr

[small anvil]

So you want it now profitable then?

More

[meager flame]

sure if you had some crazy world where gathering rune ore wasn't part of the time sink

[small anvil]

Like what is your desire, I don't feel you've communicated that well tbh

[mild saddle]

sorry idk what you want

i'll need examples

at the moment, i feel like most skills have payoffs

[meager flame]

to do something with skills

[small anvil]

Level bars to unlock things

[meager flame]

anything that matters

[mild saddle]

only really hunter you don't for irons ofc

mains yeah skills are nothing

[meager flame]

like you level up strength and you hit harder thats doing something for you forever

[small anvil]

You can smith rune

[meager flame]

you level up smithing and...? well nothing for the most part

[small anvil]

You weren't able to before

[meager flame]

seems like theres a ton of open space there to do whatever they would like with the fantasy of smithing

[small anvil]

You can turn that pile of ore and bars into gp

[mild saddle]

like what?

[meager flame]

this is the one reason i kind of dislike that they made a new skill

they didn't actually do anything with the ones we already have

[small anvil]

They made oath plate

That's uses the fantasy of smithing

[meager flame]

yeah and you go do that oathplate stuff once which isn't a bad step

[small anvil]

You need levels to make rancor

[mild saddle]

smithing has a bunch of uses, we all just have the reqs already for diaries

[meager flame]

but why aren't you doing more with your gear for example if we want to smith our own stuff

[small anvil]

Repeatable things is just bad for the economy unless it's a consumable

[meager flame]

like maybe we could customize our items slightly or whatever

[small anvil]

And they are doing metal cannonballs tbf

[mild saddle]

that kind of stuff feels better suited for low level content

[small anvil]

Like you have this pov cuz you're past all the relevant level requirements

[mild saddle]

like augmenting rune platebody to have spikes and 3 str

[small anvil]

And you've forgotten straining to get them

Imo

[meager flame]

i think they're just a little too rs brained with their ideas they seem to get stuck on it having to do something with economy or exp/hr

and it doesn't have to be either

and i only really noticed because going from having maxed multiple accounts to playing on not maxed accounts

the difference is basically that i dont have a nice cape to teleport to my poh or crafting guild

otherwise i dont even notice

[small anvil]

Higher crop yield with levels

[meager flame]

you get all of the relevant stuff like your poh pool for example long before you hit 99

[small anvil]

Fishing catch rate

[meager flame]

and some skills have no relevant stuff in the first place

[small anvil]

Things exist

[meager flame]

i will say though that con is actually better at being a skill that rewards you for doing it than most

[small anvil]

??? Lol

[meager flame]

hitting 83 con is insane you interact with the things you built forever

[small anvil]

Construction is absolutely one time things you build

And it's the single worst skill to train from a gameplay loop imo

[meager flame]

yeah the training sucks

[small anvil]

Only saved by the high XP rates

[meager flame]

the rewards and reason to actually train that exp though

probably the best in the game

[sharp cave]

U think ???

How is fetching or crafting any better

[small anvil]

There's a million different crafting methods that are mostly bank standing

[meager flame]

i wouldn't say con is the worst though especially with modern changes

training wise

its pretty far from the bottom you basically do interface skilling and its over asap

[small anvil]

Construction isolated in your poh is worse than any bank standing

[meager flame]

nah faster is better in this case

[sharp cave]

Mahogany homes then?

[meager flame]

all of their gameplay loops suck

the one that ends more quickly is better

[small anvil]

Doing x hours of any skill, cons would be the lowest for me

Fletching you can do on the run

As a multi skill

Can do that with crafting too actually

[sharp cave]

Anti fun tbh

[flat portal]

^

[meager flame]

i do think that comes into play with all of those skills

[small anvil]

I'd much rather do bank stand skill than poh construction

[meager flame]

i could quickly add most skills into the pile of "yeah this isn't enjoyable"

and then you're just filtering for which one is more insufferable or wastes more of your time

to decide which is worse

con thankfully gets out of its own way quickly

[small anvil]

Yeah con is only not hated more cuz of the crazy rates

[last onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7Bpu42q3Mcc

[earnest vigil]

other than fm i think every skill for iron is useful at high levels

[small anvil]

Obliterating money by making and destroying the same thing over and over again is just so yuck

[hard axle]

master MH contracts please

or just "rare" MH contracts when doing elites

[small anvil]

I really should have done some mh but it was my last skill to get for max and I wanted it over with

[meager flame]

its actually interesting to me that mh was originally the solution to how bad training con felt mechanically

and then they fixed that and now its just slow and i guess for people that dont have gp

but yeah it would be cool if they could look at the skills and try to put themselves in the mindset of like

"i want to be a smith today what can i do that makes any sense"

and then try to make some new content

[true talon]

Loool

[last onyx]

Haha, surely one day we'll get some better training method for agility xD

[sacred skiff]

POH agil sounds pretty nice if you have the cash for it

And sepulchre slaps, although the rates are too similar to ardy for how much more focus it requires

[last onyx]

I'd rather not max and hit 1 bill exp instead.

[heavy ledge]

You can use other people's too if you got a friend with it

[last onyx]

I totally agree with this statement, ardy & hallowed sep is way too close. Hallowed Sepulchre doesn't even feel rewarding for being such a intense activity.

[small anvil]

It's like 50% better at high efficiency isn't it

Ardy is like 70k, sep over 100

[heavy ledge]

Ardy rate is right, sep sounds right

[last onyx]

For humans Hallowed Sepulchre is like 90k an hour, ardy is like 68k. For botters it's like 105-110k an hour at sep

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/ragdoll-ragdoll-cat-cat-inhaler-featherkiss-bedfellows-gif-11612167093603504073

[small anvil]

Yeah so 50% better at high efficiency, 35% at lower

That's not insignificant

Not that I opted into it

But that was mostly skill issue

[ember token]

its funny how he says for botters, like bots are doing sepulchre without looting

[small anvil]

Yeah that didn't land with me but I didn't comment lol

Figured they meant more along the lines of "robots"

[last onyx]

haha, not like that... What i meant is that it's a highly botted skill for end-game players. A lot of people also use third-party sites to train it for them

[small anvil]

Oh, people botting a skill I see

[last onyx]

They achieve those rates constantly over 10 hours, but meanwhile for a normal player ''human'' that would be extremely difficult as a mistake here and there will drag your exp down quite fast.

[small anvil]

I have no familiarity with that tbh

[last onyx]

It's not far fetched to say that hallowed sepulchre is approximately 90k an hour for a normal human being.

[sacred skiff]

I got 100k for like 3 runs once, but then I fell out of super saiyan mode

[last onyx]

On point 😛

[small anvil]

So yeah at 90 it's about 30% better than ardy

Not insignificant

[heavy ledge]

Also what're the profit rates for sep?

[small anvil]

Profit is in the bin these days right

Ring of endurance made almost obsolete

[last onyx]

Insignificant

[small anvil]

Only matters for like herbi and bf

[heavy ledge]

oh yeah that's right

rip

[last onyx]

What would make Hallowed Sepulchre fun would be if you could trade the Hallowed Mark for exp, that would be so much more motivating and feel rewarding.

[heavy ledge]

or at the very least use more rewards outside it, like the grapple

[last onyx]

It would encourage looting, give some profit to the agility skill, reward players with clues and give motivation and encourage leveling it while stacking up exp for a big boost to the exp at some point.
Would actually solve every problem with the skill.....

[sacred skiff]

Or add marks of grace as loot from the sacks you can buy

[last onyx]

For example Royal titans made me stack up 300k runecrafting exp, which i found quite nice to do while farming the pet and probably will continue to do at some point in the future as i don't enjoy the runecrafting methods in the game. Would love to do that at Hallowed Sepulchre if the marks could be traded in for exp.

[ember token]

if it's roughly the same xp rates as non-looting then i'd agree

[hard axle]

Reminder that they nerfed Sepulcher by like 15-20%

like come on

the pre-nerf no-looting method of 110-120k was very balanced

[heavy ledge]

lol just found this and I like it

forgot to post the icon

[mild saddle]

lol cute

[mild saddle]

Hallowed Sepulchre is already pretty fun

[last onyx]

Yeah, it was fun until 93-94 agility, now not so much. Hence the suggestion to make the marks tradeable for exp to encourage looting and motivate players a bit more. Would also make it a very good clue grind and make the skill more popular in general which is definitely needs.

[mild saddle]

it's hard because people just approach games differently

if i was only getting 90k xp/hr, i'd feel like there was a lot more gameplay to squeeze out of sepulchre and i wouldn't be bored yet

i still wasn't satisfied when i hit 99

i still don't consider myself good at sep

[sacred skiff]

Same, except it was because I was 500 chests deep on my iron with no ring lmao

But then ring got deprecated so

[mild saddle]

i spooned like crazy

had a few

[sacred skiff]

.>

I feel like we've had this exact conversation before lol

[mild saddle]

very, very likely

[velvet orchid]

Does the new option display mobile icon just not work?

[heavy ledge]

I haven't seen it, but I'm also not in the habit of right-clicking people

They specifically mention in the update post that it doesn't show up in chat, if that's where you were looking for it

[velvet orchid]

Oh its only of you right click?

[velvet orchid]

Yeah i misunderstood it

Right clicking is useless asf lmao why even add that

[heavy ledge]

They said they'd look at adding it as a chat option tho

[velvet orchid]

It doesnt include friends list

Oh like if u right click my name ? On friends it might

[heavy ledge]

It doesn't show-up right-clicking in cc

Iron helms don't show up in the friends list so I doubt the mobile icon would, either

[sacred skiff]

Ideally it will show up in friend's list eventually

[heavy ledge]

This could've just been an update to keep people from reporting people on mobile who cba to respond idk lol

[sacred skiff]

cuz idc if like some rando thinks I'm ignoring them

but I don't want the boys to feel that way

[viscid ether]

Hear me out.. New mode.. "Hardcore: Proving Grounds - new seasonal game mode for Old School RuneScape that merges the high-stakes, single-life challenge of Hardcore Ironman (HCIM) with the accelerated progression rates of seasonal Leagues. This mode is designed to address a significant portion of the player base who are intrigued by the HCIM experience but are deterred by the immense time commitment required to reach its most compelling, high-risk endgame content. By offering a faster path to endgame encounters, Proving Grounds will create a dynamic, recurring event that fosters intense competition, generates highly engaging streaming content, and drives player re-engagement on a predictable cycle.

Fundamentally Hardcore: The core rule remains unchanged. Upon death, your Hardcore status is lost. The account is locked to the standard Ironman restrictions (no trading, solo progression).

Accelerated Rates: Experience rates for all skills are significantly boosted (e.g., 5×). To ensure a balanced journey and make gear acquisition feasible within the season, drop rates for unique items would also receive a modest boost (e.g., 1.5× or 2×).

Pure OSRS Experience: Unlike Leagues, there would be no relics or special secondary mechanics. The "boost" is purely the accelerated rates. This maintains the integrity of the core OSRS gameplay loop, making it a test of game knowledge and efficiency in a condensed timeframe.

Seasonal Structure: Each Proving Grounds season would last for a fixed duration (e.g., 4 months).

Competitive Highscores: A dedicated Highscores page would track seasonal progress, fostering a "race" mentality. Categories could include Total Level, specific Boss Kill Counts, Total Wealth, and Collection Log slots filled before the first death."

[small anvil]

Hell no, you're giving people accelerated XP that moves to the main game after it's over

[oblique mesa]

league account that gets transferred to main game

[viscid ether]

no no my bad

no

meant to remove that

[restive siren]

what in the chat gpt

[viscid ether]

there you go

[small anvil]

Still against it, leagues is enough distraction from the main game mode. Unless this took the place of leagues and even then

[viscid ether]

I just really enjoy HCIM but struggle with the big time commitment.. it's super fun to see how far / how many bosses you could kill without dying

[small anvil]

Hardcore isn't that compelling in osrs honestly

Most people just play super safe

[viscid ether]

i imagined somethign where you'd get to experience that loop at like "high-stakes" with faster rates would be fun

[tacit wharf]

which hardcore mode as well

[small anvil]

People keep wanting private server rates and it annoys me lol

[viscid ether]

hey just an idea you know, friends and i were chatting about it... was curious what public opinions were

i like the ironman expierence i just don't want to have to put another 80 days played into a HCIM to try endgame bosses

i aint got that time

[echo horizon]

So they've fixed some typos in the clan announcements but left the space between the icon and peoples names.. Unplayable 🙁

[true talon]

Hardcore main mode would be sick. and remove a lot of items from the game.

[hard axle]

hardcore in general should've been like Diablo 2 Hardcore

[meager flame]

tbh it should work like

was it diablo 3?

you'd die and remake and all of your stuff would just get sent to a stash for your regular character to do whatever they wanted with

[spring stag]

Anyone successfully gotten the ropes to stick at Baxtorian falls? I tried a couple times but they don't stay for me, and aren't there by default. I have the quest done and diary (I have the diary cape). I also tried just clicking on the rock / tree without using the rope, and it just washed me down the river.

[hard axle]

no, D2 was the one where if u die, ur character is greyed out and just cannot be played anymore

[meager flame]

i feel like that would probably really upset people lol

the d3 thing where all your stuff just gets stashed would be really good with account progression resetting

[hard axle]

i mean, they were voluntarily choosing hardcore

[meager flame]

stuff like that though is how they should be winning everyone over to jagex accounts atm

[tacit wharf]

rather u have 3 options when you die on hc right away

1. you revert to an ironman and all yr items stay (what happens now)
2. your account gets reset (including bank) back to level 1 and u can run it back again on the same account
3. you revert to a main account

[meager flame]

like imagine if you had a jagex account wide space to send yourself stuff between characters easily

nah so what happens rn

is when you die you just lose hc status then you have to pay for another account or give up on being hc

and manually drop stuff over or pk yourself with loot keys

etc etc

also you probably get scammed by jagex for extra game time if you do remake

yeah

[hard axle]

thats why they dont let u

[meager flame]

yeah they're profiting via inaction

[hard axle]

die and instantly get that small increase

[meager flame]

although at this point thats one of the main reasons i haven't started a new hc

it could be a lot better but they dont want to do anything

i also think if they did different membership packages for your whole jagex account they could be making a lot more money atm

like i'd probably be giving them more money per month atm and not even really using a lot of my characters if they priced it right

[tacit wharf]

i also think they should bite the bullet and make hc deaths the same as hcgim death

no reason hc be getting free deaths in inferno/cox

[meager flame]

tbh i still think its very weird that they made hc and hcgim different in terms of what is safe

its sorta cool that hcgim is more punishing but at the same time its also easier because you're not solo

[tacit wharf]

different times, and i agree they should of changed when hcgim came out to be the same

rules

[meager flame]

kinda just makes it confusing for people who aren't familiar

[tacit wharf]

indeed

[sacred oracle]

It worked for me. The ropes are just already there on the ground, and if you click on the rock you just go across as if you brought rope in inventory.

[meager flame]

the funny thing about a stash or whatever for your jagex account as long as your irons could only deposit into it

is that they should in theory already have the tech

should work just like group storage essentially

[sacred skiff]

That would be a sick addition

[vestal jetty]

Anyone know why drop are not visible anymore

The price of them

[chrome lantern]

Yes

[haughty scarab]

This is killing me trying to juggle food... whats up with the despawn timers and text on any ground items? The "edit ground items" button wont even work.. on mobile atleast

[minor whale]

It's bugged currently

The update blog this week has it as a known issue to be coldfixed

[sterile dust]

🙄

[stoic halo]

Coldfixed, does that mean we have to wait until the next system update?

[minor whale]

Likely, unless they happen to take it down for some other reason.

[random quest]

.... why on mobil does it no longer have floating text above drops?

[tacit wharf]

#game-news

[fringe spoke]

lol

[meager flame]

honestly its a bit weird that they just said coldfix tbd

thats one of those things where you probably schedule the restart after getting the fix i'd think

[spring stag]

Thanks, I didn't notice the ropes lying there. In my game, if I click on the rope, it automatically takes me across correctly. If I click directly on the rock, however, I swim out and am carried away be the current. Not a problem, just you need to click on the rope instead of the rock / tree.

[blazing rain]

Allow rune pouches to automatically fill whatever runes get picked up into the pouch for example if I have death runes in the pouch and I pick up death runes from the ground it'll automatically go into the pouch

[compact flicker]

That should already work like that

[blazing rain]

Wow thanks I never saw this lol

[compact flicker]

[blazing rain]

Sadly dosent work as I'd hope which was to have the runes go into the pouch from thieving I'd have to drop first then pick them back up

[compact flicker]

And your pouch isn't full with 16k runes hey?

But I think you're right didn't work for me when I thieved vyres

[sacred skiff]

Yeah vyres and sepulchre chests ignore your rune pouch, unfortunately

[worthy hedge]

So how long for the first shooting star to drop after game update?

[heavy ledge]

anotha one

[wind swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-desperate-oh-no-no-gif-12501960

[gaunt oak]

osrs is open again

[spring gale]

2 updates still not working🤣 oo my rod

[restive siren]

Reboot incoming

[spring gale]

Like oda say “fixxx the gameee”🤣

[slow dove]

Err...that's exactly what they're doing.

[subtle kestrel]

Is the amount of arrows on the floor not displaying properly a bug? Cause I could've sworn I saw numbers yesterday lmaoo

[spring gale]

Wow it works again👌

Or not showed just fossile i dropped not items on monster drop

[trail moon]

with the new stricter rwt bans, has there been say of any false positives (or any way to have it looked into), since people may have gear lent a while to others they want back?

[meager flame]

idk if i really like the idea of frost dragons 2.0 for sailing

they were basically just bot content in rs2 despite the dungeoneering req

and i made a lot of gp afking them myself lol

[eager bone]

Has it been clarified whether the double loot mechanic from the horn of plenty would impact hunter rumours?

[graceful agate]

ngl it's awesome seeing some 'classic' slayer creatures - but from past the 2007 backup date - getting to return again

[frail nebula]

Definitely feels like a sensible approach to max capes

[compact flicker]

Just ask for all your stuff back if you didn’t take collateral, always take collateral

[trail moon]

well that are the changes of either of us getting banned

[frail nebula]

Depends on how good their drop table ends up being I suppose

[trail moon]

i lent them cos they couldntt afford collatoral and they were to ppl i trust

[meager flame]

i mean in rs2

[compact flicker]

You took a risk :/

[meager flame]

it was legitimately just the bones

[compact flicker]

Thats not on jagex to get your stuff back from a banned account

[trail moon]

i didnt get scammed

[frail nebula]

As someone who got their DHL a week or two ago, I am very happy to see new dragons

[meager flame]

they did drop other stuff but those drops honestly didnt matter

[trail moon]

they are offfering to give it back

[minor whale]

He's saying he's got items currently lent out
You're not at risk getting the items back

[compact flicker]

If the ban is incorrect they can appeal

[trail moon]

but i dont want either of us to get banned from it

[trail moon]

this

[frail bough]

how much even is it

[trail moon]

ok thats good to know

[compact flicker]

I see

[trail moon]

quite a lot

[meager flame]

maybe like a frost dragon boss or something could be cooler anyways

[frail bough]

well you said you couldnt afford collat so im going to assume its in the mills

you'll be fine

[trail moon]

he couldnt but no its much more

[frail nebula]

I kinda feel like it might make sense to replace the brutal blue dragons in amox's dungeon with frost dragons too

Though I guess they want them gated behind sailing

[meager flame]

it just seems like a strange addition idk if we really needed better bones for free

[earnest marsh]

we getting another slayer rework?

or maybe update

[frail nebula]

We're getting new slayer creatures

[earnest marsh]

whaaat, so exicted

[frail nebula]

Check the blog

[earnest marsh]

ahh the sailing blog

not slayer?

rip

[meager flame]

im sure it'll pass because its not offensive enough to like

get people to really vote no

[wet smelt]

i think frost dragons should be weak to crush because ice

[meager flame]

but its a bit questionable

[earnest marsh]

ofc, how can this polls ever fail

ahh put them in pvp

then they will fail

kekw

[meager flame]

but yeah basically random hole in the ground now provides better than lava dragon bones

i guess each skill gets its botting hotspot

[earnest marsh]

heey, powercreep is natural

but damn, better then lava dragon bones?

which one, the frost dragon?

[meager flame]

yeah

[mild saddle]

frost dragon a throwback

[earnest marsh]

xD

[meager flame]

i just wonder if they'll have so many bots and afk players pounding it like they did in rs2

that they have to add the damage reflect back in

[mild saddle]

yeah afk'd those all day with a chaotic rapier back in the day, big noob during rs2

[meager flame]

it was unhinged lol they were like over 20k each for the bones

i probably made like 1b back then afking them

[mild saddle]

bought me overloads when those came out

don't remember the order

actual nostalgia fond memories, didn't think there was any rs2 left to tap into, had forgotten about that

well dungeoneering would be the other

[meager flame]

perhaps they should be slayer task only

[mild saddle]

i gotta watch the vid and read the blog but og frosts were cracked and so yeah i'd think so

frost dragon boss would be awesome though, overdue for a draconic endgame boss

[meager flame]

i dont think they're as strong as they were exp wise

but it is better than lava dragons still

[obsidian venture]

• Horn of Plenty: I like the approach they’re going with in regards to pvm drops enhancing skilling. Interesting usage and can explore future off-hands for skilling maybe?
• Gleaming Rapier: Addresses the weird gap that stab has had and comes from a low lvl boss (fine). Raises more concern as to how useless the current ghrazi rapier is at its high tier.
• Aquanite Tendon: Very interesting concept and seems that it would fit nicely in midgame. Would love to see calcs using this.
• StrykeWorm/ FrostDragons: Decent prayer experience alternatives which is fine, and dragon sheets (?)
• Sailing Pet: Would want the Turtle Personally.
  Either total world option is fine although I’d prefer 2350.
  Good job on adding more bank space and how max capes would work post sailing release

[mild saddle]

like turtle too, but transmogs inevitable

[sacred skiff]

How about that crossbow offhand? That's pretty cool

[meager flame]

im mostly just worried that it'll go the same way rs2 did where it becomes a pretty obvious bot paradise

[sacred skiff]

As a non-odium-haver lol

[earnest marsh]

Pretty good, probly better then every shield

[sacred skiff]

Nah crab pet 100%

[meager flame]

im sorta surprised the one bird pet made the final cut of options

people probably would mistake that thing for the heron and not even realize if they weren't really looking

[sacred skiff]

Oh nvm that is the aquanite thing

[earnest marsh]

10% chance to fire another bolt with 66% of total damage= 6,6% dps increase right

Idk fast math

Seems busted

[mild saddle]

5t rapier feels dissonant right?

a rapier being slow is odd

[earnest marsh]

True

[meager flame]

yeah i dont like that

it should be 4t

[sacred skiff]

Oh it's 5t?

It should look heavier then

[earnest marsh]

Make it 3 tick with justicar

[sacred skiff]

like a Great Thrusting Swotd in a souls game

if it's slower than other rapiers

[mild saddle]

yeah just don't call it a rapier

[obsidian venture]

Not against it being 5t with the stats it’s shown, but yes a faster hitting one would be sweet. Could have been a nice 3t option with lower stats

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe the attack animation takes 5t

You swing it around looking fancy

[meager flame]

ya im not even worried about the stats im assuming they'll handle that part

its just thematically a 1 handed rapier is not a slow weapon

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[mild saddle]

with 3t losing their one use, yeah a 3t weapon with real stats could be cool

bp scaling issue but eh

[meager flame]

also tbh i think they're just reaching too hard to make a niche that nobody would care about anyways

[modern crypt]

The rapier is great and all, but we all agree that option D (the red parrot) is the best choice for the Sailibg pet, yeah?

[meager flame]

i dont think anyone holding a t65 weapon to kill stuff is sitting there contemplating the practical difference between 4t and 5t

[quaint oar]

I mean a stab zombie axe is nice. Filling the gap is great but I do agree calling it a rapier is odd

[obsidian venture]

🐢

[meager flame]

i do like the parrot but the community is a meme

they'll pick the crab

[mild saddle]

yeah stab zombie axe is good, you see it as pain point for new players that are intimidated by zammy, fine by me

just don't like rapier

[modern crypt]

I can't lie, I was quite torn between the cute turtle and the red parrot

[mild saddle]

turtle's my guy

[obsidian venture]

What about if it was a cutlass

Would that make more sense

[mild saddle]

banger

[meager flame]

i mean they could make the model big enough to make it 5t but

thats not a stab weapon really

[obsidian venture]

Ye lmao

Throwing out names

[mild saddle]

we had a stab khopesh for like a month

[meager flame]

i think the issue is that they're trying to stay on a pirate/sailing theme

[mild saddle]

cutlass looks more like a stab weapon than that but fair

[meager flame]

and none of those weapons are really slow

you think of smaller stuff where people are fighting on boats

[obsidian venture]

Actually people did use it for stabbing

So it’s not far off

Or a saber

[meager flame]

yeah it does have a point on it most swords stabbed something at some point

[mild saddle]

they could make it work

[obsidian venture]

Doesn’t have to be lore accurate really

[mild saddle]

we're talking about an early game alternative to zammy but still

i think that's better

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[meager flame]

i would just tell them to make a spear

but they're trying to fit it into like

the boat stuff

[mild saddle]

or a trident

[meager flame]

they could also do a dagger

but that one should be fast

[obsidian venture]

True

[heavy ledge]

I really like a trident

[meager flame]

ya it doesn't really fit the guys on a boat but it does fit the ocean themed stuff

also i think they could probably do better with the aquanite hopper lol

idk what that is even supposed to be but it doesn't look like it helps me do anything visually

[nocturne solstice]

what do you mean, it seems pretty big

What if you get a double ruby proc

[meager flame]

the model

it looks like a random block my character is holding

[nocturne solstice]

oh, yeah that makes sense

[median wing]

they said u cant get double ruby proc

[nocturne solstice]

Throw it in the trash

[median wing]

i think it might still substantially speed up killing the prifdinas rabbit if u dont have full veracs

so that might be a balancing concern

[nocturne solstice]

well it does say the second shot has proc chance just reduced 🤔

and like you said, cant double proc

So i guess its kinda like a hidden increased proc chance

[meager flame]

also did they do the thing again

when they have you respond in the survey to stuff they didn't include in the blog

[heavy ledge]

what exactly does an invisible hunter boost affect? impling catch chance, but what else?

[median wing]

black chinchompas

[meager flame]

ah wait no i see it now

[hard axle]

you can't and it's only 10% chance to double fire

it's weak af

[meager flame]

yeah its basically ass if you own a buckler

[hard axle]

Chance of a ruby is 6.4% instead of 6%

like okay

[median wing]

it's going to be ultra cracked for chin hunting

and we are also getting the crack rocks that automatically smoke them

[heavy ledge]

Ty

[median wing]

if I could short black chins I would be shorting them as we speak rn

[meager flame]

i think its kind of weird that they ask how we feel about the balancing and weights of some slayer tasks

[hard axle]

or 7.2% instead of 6.6%

[meager flame]

for npcs that we don't know how we will kill

lol i feel like we cant even answer that question

[median wing]

unfortunately there isnt a trusted financial osrs institution that offers future contracts

[nocturne solstice]

Very unfortunate

[hard axle]

Given where it comes from, a basic slayer monster, it is balanced imo

But I wouldn't say no to an endgame version of this where it doesn't have 2 restrictions

like 67% of the base activation chance + 10% double bolt

[nocturne solstice]

True but it feels like a cool effect watered down due to the slayer mob it comes from being mid lvl. Would be cool with an upgrade for a higher chance.

[icy relic]

Lmaooo I just scrolled down and saw the rapier

I hate saying this but I'm voting no

[nocturne solstice]

its made from mithril bar so maybe we'll get a rune and dragon variant in the future with better rates idk

[meager flame]

i mean we probably don't really want that type of thing at end game for crossbows

unless we really really want zcb maining

[hard axle]

jagex loves their garbage ass middle grounds

can't wait to see the middle ground of a middle ground of a middle ground of a middle ground of a middle ground of a middle ground of a middle ground

[meager flame]

idk if anyone really wants to wake up and just like

[icy relic]

Bro I can't believe the takeaway from zaxe existing is

[hard axle]

at some point, just stfu and go get the fucking item lmao

[meager flame]

ruby bolt everything all the time lol

[hard axle]

bro

this weapon

is nuts

holy fuck

[icy relic]

Actually we need ANOTHER one except better

[meager flame]

tbh i dont even know if that part matters so much

[hard axle]

whip is basically dead content unless ur min-maxing

[meager flame]

i just wish they would look up like 2 weapon tiers and think about that

aka blade, mace, rapier

why are they just perma ass

mace kinda got fixed but

the other two lol

[icy relic]

exactly

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

can't wait for the 7th middle ground that is 99.74% the power and 10x the accessibility of tbow

[meager flame]

i dont think we talk about the joke enough where they just came in and moved their equip reqs like that mattered

and that was it

like a blade of saeldor is not a fucking t80 weapon

it honestly wasn't t75 really lol

it was like t72

[icy relic]

Sorry but I'm playing RS3 right now and I am reminded that OSRS is the real easyscape

There are no pain points in OSRS

The midgame has everything

[meager flame]

maybe the next scimitar with +1 accuracy and +1str can be the first t90 slash

[mild saddle]

yeah it's pretty weak, i don't fully get it, i also don't know how strong it is tbh

it's good right?

[hard axle]

I still disagree with them adding bowfa to the game because it might not be as strong as pre-nerf bp in terms of damage, but the utility is fucking stupid

Just goes to show when it's recommended to bum rush SOTE for that reason

[icy relic]

It's another one of those weps that just breaks the rules of the game

[idle rapids]

Is the point of the medallion of the deep so that you don't need to grind out flippers? lol

Flippers already take like 10 minutes to get

[mild saddle]

bowfa is a mess but it's hard to fix now

adding arrows to it and subtracting equivalent range str = dragon would help a bit

pushes it's progression towards amethyst arrows a bit

[sacred skiff]

The amulet is weird that it lets you breathe underwater

Except where there's a timer already

So like, nowhere?

Yeah maybe it's to replace flippers ig lol

[frail bough]

yet*

we are about to explore an entire ocean

[sacred skiff]

True, could be new sailing places that you need diving gear

[gritty trail]

Outside of retaining max cape end game maxed irons don’t get much from the update besides the tendon thing yeah?

[sacred skiff]

Eh

The hunting offhand looks cool

[frail bough]

i guess it depends on your progress on the account? idk

[hard axle]

no no, fuck that with a cattleprod

[sacred skiff]

Excited for that for chins for tob

[gritty trail]

That’s fair. Grabbing both offhands good for sure

[sacred skiff]

And yeah the tendon looks cool

[hard axle]

tendon is whack

most of the time u arent fishing for bolt proc anyway

[sacred skiff]

In that it's too good, or too weak?

Yeah I'd only use it at levi

Or if I get a dhcb or something

[hard axle]

it's good from where it comes from, but overall it's weaker than a buckler

which is good

[sacred skiff]

I don't have a real ranged offhand cuz I got spooned on odium

[hard axle]

https://i.imgur.com/ixafM6h.png

[sacred skiff]

From the two easy bosses, but not from shitty scorpia

And I'm not gonna go back to that nonsense

[gritty trail]

So you don’t get extra bolt chance you’re saying right

[sacred skiff]

So until twisty buck I'd love this one

[frail bough]

ye no 160 with rubies

[idle rapids]

It does say where there’s a “strict timer” so presumably it wouldn’t work during underwater thieving but it would in that farming section

Not that you need an infinite timer for that

[sacred skiff]

Yeah i'm guessing the amulet will be given uses when they add new diving areas

[gritty trail]

Did they say sailing would be a medium rate skill? Gonna rush it to 99 just curious how long it’ll take

[frail marten]

really excited for the rapier and the hopper

[idle rapids]

But I think Alums right it doesn’t have much relevance now but it will eventually

[hard axle]

it's a very low chance to double bolt basically

[sacred skiff]

God I wish they'd fix the ultra-shitty mudskippers diving area for clues

[gritty trail]

Gotcha

[sacred skiff]

Flippers don't even work there lol

[restive siren]

dont think they have decided really, or told us

[gritty trail]

Kk

[idle rapids]

Yeah but you can just relog and start running around 😆

[hard axle]

10% to double bolt and when you double bolt, 2nd bolt only has a 4%/4.4% chance of proccing the ruby, ANDDDDD you can't double ruby

[idle rapids]

Spaghetti game

[sacred skiff]

wut

[hard axle]

if you could double ruby, that would be hilarious

[sacred skiff]

So I dive, then relog?

[gritty trail]

Seems mid compared to the buckler strength acc and defenses

[sacred skiff]

And I can walk normally?

[gritty trail]

But it’s a raid item I think that’s good

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/munchlax-underwater-pokemon-water-dive-gif-18408178

[minor whale]

Yeah the hopper is sort of useless
It's an extremely extremely minor dps increase even before counting the proc chance reduction

[gritty trail]

It’s good for an easily obtainable xbow offhand that’s not cox or wildly

Or vork I guess

[hard axle]

has to be useless imo

[frail bough]

i mostly feel like if you're 86 slayer, you're probably already doing raids and would never end up used anyway

[hard axle]

it's actually quite strong for

a med level slayer mob

[frail marten]

But accessible much earlier than a raid drop

[sacred skiff]

Better than book of law though lol

[hard axle]

BUT relative to the whole game, it aint great

[hard axle]

shame that they are going down the same route of just killign 1 update by releasing another

[minor whale]

Ye
It'll be good for irons using hscb to get a few extra hitsplats I guess

[sacred skiff]

lmaoooo it works

Just hauling ass through this place

[gritty trail]

Wait what? Not everyone in the game is doing 5-10 solo cox a day like me for tbow??

[minor whale]

The idea of double-hit crossbow could be neat with places with negative armor, but almost all of those places are also extremely strong against ranged

[sacred skiff]

That'll save me like 30s on this clue step, good2know

[mild saddle]

rosewood BP might be a decent spec weapon, 1t darts for 25% even with addy only is solid. I did some napkin math and it was competitive at least. if you've got zcb probably not but otherwise

[sacred skiff]

Oh true rosewood bp would be nice for tagging mobs in some places too, to save on scales

The the ultimate benefit to maxed irons from sailing

is that we can max again :)

[gritty trail]

Ye lol

I’m in green prison till tbow so switching to 99 sailing will be a nice break

[meager flame]

for the level you'd use it at yeah its good but i mostly just meant what it looked like

they basically showed off a low poly rectangle lol

like i get that osrs graphics aren't top tier but we gotta have some standards here i dont even know what that object is or would do

[heavy ledge]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1412259994216304771 charge god books with their pages for extra boosts?

1 of the possible sinks I put on there

[small anvil]

Stab zaxe is cool I guess

[mild saddle]

actually meant weak design

it's kinda lame

[small anvil]

The offhand range crossbow thing is neat in concept but kinda weak

3% extra damage

[mild saddle]

it's bis for ruby reset speeds

[small anvil]

What's Ruby chance base

[mild saddle]

6% i think

or 6.6% after diary iirc

[small anvil]

So it's .22% extra Ruby chance

Except you can't jackpot double proc

[sacred skiff]

Yeah but it feels like your resets are more impactful when your crossbow sometimes double-fires

[mild saddle]

something should be done

[sacred skiff]

It’ll def be nice for Levi GM speed

Although maybe I get off my ass, learn Nex, and get a ZCB and get that anyway before release

[small anvil]

I guess it actually does more DMG when you know you'll proc Ruby like zcb spec

Cuz you have a chance for extra regular bolt damage

[sacred skiff]

It’s kinda silly the second bolt has reduced spec chance, since it’s literally just an extra 1% chance to get a ruby proc anyway even without that restriction lol

[small anvil]

It would make speeds kinda toxic maybe

If chasing rec

[sacred skiff]

I think no double-proc is fine

[small anvil]

Oh yeah that's what I meant

[sacred skiff]

I just think it shouldn’t have reduced rate on the second one if the first one doesn’t proc, is all

[small anvil]

Reduced chance is more because it would be better than buckler otherwise

[sacred skiff]

icic

More interesting than buckler anyway tbh

[small anvil]

Or it makes the math less clean at least

[restive sapphire]

I love midgame content

[meager flame]

i actually think this is the #1 problem with the blog

[obsidian venture]

Hmm

[restive sapphire]

Imho i was w8ing for a sailing locked endgame boss i wouldve enjoyed it

[meager flame]

third and final sailing content poll to confirm zero content for people that are out of the mid game

[obsidian venture]

I mean

Are you really surprised

[sacred skiff]

You’ll need to get high sailing first though

[meager flame]

i dont even mean end end game either