If that’s the case then this is litterally just leagues but with 30% of the content
#game-update
lone wasp
frail bough
depends on what the tiles are
hybrid lance
If that’s the case then this is litterally just leagues but with 30% of the cont...
Are there perks or buffs? I didnt see them
chrome lantern
Again, I would much rather do this than region lock again
limber briar
Are there perks or buffs? I didnt see them
yes
chrome lantern
Are there perks or buffs? I didnt see them
Although you'll be taking on these challenges by yourself, you won't be alone as completing each task will reward you with a juicy boost to your gameplay. This could be in the form of previous player-favourite relics, auto-completion of whole questlines or maybe you can actually grow that bush which spawned Tbows.
lone wasp
Yeah they defo need to clarify what’s community about this
frail bough
its just a community event, as simple as that
chrome lantern
What is the difference between a Community Event and a Game Mode?
Community Events are designed as one-off (or returning-by-popular-demand) experiences that explore new ways to engage with OSRS. These might include tournament-style formats, limited-time playable content, or other experimental ideas.We’re leaning into the idea that these will be smaller, more varied events that are quick to jump into and fun to play, offering fresh ways to enjoy the game between larger seasonal content.
By contrast, Game Modes like Leagues and Deadman Mode (DMM) are recurring and foundational experiences within the OSRS roadmap.
As we continue to explore and experiment with Community Events, these special, time limited events will operate for you to safely explore and enjoy entirely new types of gameplay and concepts. This could even be a space where you can trial new content before it potentially makes its way into the main game via the usual polling system. You'll play a crucial role in these experiments as it's your feedback, ideas and enthusiasm that will play a key role in what these events become in the future.
lone wasp
Otherwise I’d rather just work on my iron man for 4 weeks
limber briar
it doesn't force you to partake lol
chrome lantern
Do whichever you will enjoy more, simple as
hybrid lance
It doesnt really explain the community part of it
Its just an admission to a misnomer i feel
chrome lantern
Basically a Community Event isn't designed to be long-term or recurring
ivory sorrel
I feel like the actual challenges on the grid will be more complex than just “beat this boss”
For example it could be more along the lines of “beat this boss with all 3 combat styles”. Otherwise people will be clearing the grid pretty quickly if it’s simple.
chrome lantern
That's it
hybrid lance
Thats just an event though
hybrid lance
Aha..
lone wasp
it doesn't force you to partake lol
I know, I don’t mind it existing or other people doing it just if there’s a lot of people saying this doesn’t appeal to them then they should rethink it
frail bough
as opposed to like "streamer event"
which they've done
community event inclusive
not community is exclusive
lone wasp
Yes that's why it's called an event
I dunno just call it an event, it’s already implied it’s for the community. A community event to me sounds like something we work towards as a community
frail bough
Simply disagree but you're reading in to it too hard lol
chrome lantern
Distinguishes it from something like a holiday event
limber briar
who cares what they call it lmao
chrome lantern
Yeah literally just a title
frail bough
Call it the demonic digger event and maybe just maybe...
lone wasp
Yeah literally just a title
Well it’s a misleading title then 🤣
frail bough
is it an event that can be done by the community or no
chrome lantern
Simply disagree but you're reading in to it too hard lol
^
limber briar
Looks fun, will be doing it. 🙂
frail bough
yesirrr
limber briar
Fun little event before sailing takes our max capes away
lone wasp
is it an event that can be done by the community or no
Literally every event can be done by the community 🤣
lone wasp
By that do you mean things like Gilenour games?
frail bough
i guess maybe we just rename streamer events to
"partial community events" and that will help clear it up
surely thats less misleading
kind surge
being upset about not having community goals is good criticism, but I don't think we should focus on what they call it lol
just focus on what you care about
chrome lantern
Streamer events would be like DMM All-stars where they make worlds for streamer events
frail bough
i do like the idea of it actually being community goals but feels sorta weird
lone wasp
Oh I don’t care what they call it, I think it’s a fair point to say that calling it community events does give the impression we are working towards a goal as a community so if they don’t do that people might feel disappointed when they realise that’s not what it is
frail bough
like you just get the unlock as long as you contribute your goal, despite it already having been achieved by the community?
tacit wharf
Oh I don’t care what they call it, I think it’s a fair point to say that calling...
its an event for the community = community event...
frail bough
1 billion slayer xp tile achieved 2 weeks ago and i have zero slayer xp
but my tile says "achieve 100k xp to unlock" idk
lone wasp
i do like the idea of it actually being community goals but feels sorta weird
That’s basically what a clan bingo is tho ain’t it?
minor whale
It's an event...for the whole community
Unlike invite-only events, like DMM all-stars and some of the other events they've made locked worlds for people (streamers) to partake in
lone wasp
It’s just your community is a team of 5
limber briar
I think we're missing the most important thing and that is how ugly the grid tabard looks
frail bough
but you can customize it to match your gear
chrome lantern
I'm honestly probably trying to go into it completely in the dark as much as I can
Seems fun
lone wasp
It's an event...for the whole community
Unlike invite-only events, like DMM all-...
I get what you’re saying, I just won’t be shocked at all if a lot of people like me get confused calling it a community event and comparing it to clan bingos which are generally done as a group not independently
frail bough
i love theorycrafting with other people i know will end up playing
i always say "go in blind itll be fun" but then i never do that cause its too exciting to talk about lol
lone wasp
I think we're missing the most important thing and that is how ugly the grid tab...
Haha yeah they aren’t great, the concept it cool tho and they are only initial sketches by the looks of it
chrome lantern
The better they do at hyping it up the less worthwhile it is to plan since you will never have complete info idk
frail bough
can see that
swords on the back thing seem cool but then i remember that all player characters look dumb if they don't wear a cape
lone wasp
Oh they have answered a few things on why there are no community based goals in this in the faqs
We know that the team-based nature of Bingo is part of what makes it so fun and we absolutely see potential for Eteam-based Community Events in the future. For Grid Master, however, there were significant technical challenges that would've required far more time and resources than originally scoped. Rather than delay the event, we focused on delivering a solid solo experience as our starting point.
That said, we're excited to share that next year, we'll be giving the Grid Master Ul and system functionality to the community, so you can run your own Bingo-inspired events with friends and clans
frail bough
ye
at first when i saw it i thought it was like a "lockout" event
where people are in different groups and if a tile is taken, it cant be taken by other teams
lone wasp
Eeh I’m on the fence about this. There was a lot of hype for a pretty simple beta test disguised as game mode. Will see, maybe it’ll suprise me and il get hooked on it
lone wasp
where people are in different groups and if a tile is taken, it cant be taken by...
Yeah the video made it look like you could fail tasks and block them out
hybrid lance
I rather them delay the event and make it team oriented.
Itd be nice to see why they wanted to make it solo. I mean… whats the rush in getting jt working the way they wanted it to work??
And if the solo experience isnt solid then.. what was it all for
tacit wharf
the ability to stress test their bingo board mechanics
mild saddle
they're just using us as QC for the bingo, which is smart and lets people scratch their leagues itch
in-client bingo pretty big
hard axle
the ability to stress test their bingo board mechanics
Unfortunately, some of the most fun bingos that I have participated in have gotten pretty complex/safety rolls and I don't think we'll see that for a while 
frail bough
This is why I hope they will just give use data from the bingo event so you can make it in game mostly just for tracking and then implement custom stuff yourself.
🤞
hard axle
the customization is the hard part
pet drops allowing to be subbed in as a drop was goated
frail bough
yeah thats something we tested and its a never go back situation
never go back to not allowing pet as wildcard rolls or w/e
hard axle
I know some teams started using total KC shit
frail bough
oh so like instead of "get a bandos unique" its "get 128 bandos kills" kind of thing?
hard axle
oh so like instead of "get a bandos unique" its "get 128 bandos kills" kind of t...
"If team goes 5k kc, let them free"
frail bough
one of the reasons id love for them to give us a way to get the data is doing weird shit like "anti rolls" where something negative happens to the team but getting people to submit an item for something that will move them back X tiles or something is a great way to ask for people to cheat by omission lol
but imagine it where its like "if you get a pet, you go back 1 tile" - obviously it can feel bad but it allows more flexibility in an event if we can just know (from jagex) that something was or was not received and what team they would be a part of
everything else after that is just up to imagination
hard axle
one of the reasons id love for them to give us a way to get the data is doing we...
oh I hated the anti-roll shit
frail bough
😂
frail bough
yeah but this leans in to the thing you're talking about too
frail bough
for our tile race we had a anti-roll but you could never go to the same tile twice
this is 100% custom and will NEVER get added to the main game bingo stuff
hard axle
okay yeah that would probably be good 😭
yeah full on customization is too hard
maybe a runelite plugin
frail bough
give data, let us be wilddddd
it just needs to come from api things, dont make people set up event shit and code words for screenshots that don't need to be submitted if the game can just store information for an event stating who got what and when
then we don't need to make sure everyone is on the same client, or installed the plugin, or typed something properly, or knows how to screenshot without pulling out their phone and taking a picture of their computer screen
a way for the data to be stored/sent when asked is literally all the community needs to be able to make really good and proper events
there are already pretty good ones that people do through screenshot verifications, discord bots, and plugins but like...what if we just didn't need to
removing all of that, the worst part of events, would be insane and it baffles me its not been a priority
luckily they've been leaning very hard on community stuff with all the discord events and whatnot so i really hope they make it happen
mild saddle
Unfortunately, some of the most fun bingos that I have participated in have gott...
yeah bingos have gotten pretty complex after many years of tuning, i really hope this isn't a one-off release. i expect some tuning needed to make it really useful
it'll never be as complete as literally whatever the bingo leader wants, but even the simplest bingos are more complex than i'd expect from a first round
hard axle
it'll still be good if the bingo is just "get this tile 5 times"
so basically super basic at the start
stuck mauve
heavy ledge
give data, let us be wilddddd
I know you already got a reply from mod Sarnie but putting your thoughts in here too can’t hurt https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1412420269687177266
frail bough
not a bad idea, ty
inner garnet
god damn those are some tough CAs
warm pond
typo
olive sand
Jagex where are the crab CAs? 🦀
inner garnet
you havent killed the crab, how you gonna achieve anything
oblique mesa
Stealth change to wildy agility is going to basically nuke the bot farms there very nice
Hoping the dispenser gets a warning that reminds you to have a looting bag to get rewards now
frail bough
Went forward with melee delve ca anyway 🤦♂️
frail bough
Its always zero unless they say otherwise
nocturne solstice
Can’t find the info on downtime
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/game-status-information-centre?oldschool=1
Info is here and it doesnt change
hasty jewel
That speed time is kinda scary without zcb
Really hope I don't have to camp my iron at nex
runic fractal
Is it possible without twisted bow?
shadow wave
I genuinely don't think so
Well, maybe if you tank every shield phase blast
They do 60 then 99 so you can overheal through them
cursive vector
Can anyone help explain how is it even possible that EVERYTHING about surge pot functionality is so wrong?
frail bough
Everyone is going to have to guess what you're talking about unless you give examples
cursive vector
Everyone is going to have to guess what you're talking about unless you give exa...
I believe most people who acctually pvm know exactly what im talking about, but:
-doesnt tick between tob rooms (awful)
-does reset on cox death (awful)
-doesnt tick between colo waves (unnecessary)
-does tick between mokha wavea (awful if trying to speed)
frail bough
Seems to me that that's not everything. But no, can't explain it.
warm storm
I believe most people who acctually pvm know exactly what im talking about, but:...
you gave two examples of it ticking and not ticking between rooms at different places and you hate both. i don't understand
cursive vector
you gave two examples of it ticking and not ticking between rooms at different p...
Yes, because sifferent pieces of content are indees different
In colo it ticking wouldnt matter much because of divinr timers
warm storm
i'm talking about tob and mokha specifically here
cursive vector
But in mokha it ticking makes speedrunning aids
warm storm
do u think waiting for ur surge in every room is different somehow?
cursive vector
And in tob it is also unnecessary and feels very bad usinf just 2 sips/rais
And nakes horn almost obsolete (which would otherwise be useful at sote)
cursive vector
do u think waiting for ur surge in every room is different somehow?
In tob ur waiting around in speeds anyway
And u wouldnt wait extra in every room cuz only 4 sips
warm storm
remind me how many rooms are in tob again?
cursive vector
6
U wait around because of trading enough so that ud barely need to wait extra
This is why it makes perfect sense for it to tick in tob
However it makes no sense for it to tick in mokha
warm storm
maiden, bloat, nylo, xarpus, verzik.....
cursive vector
(Esps seeing as spec energy doesnt reset between levels)
cursive vector
maiden, bloat, nylo, xarpus, verzik.....
Sir have u ever done a tob speedrun?
U wait around alot between rooms regardless, and the rooms themselves take time...
warm storm
damn they get an extra room if they go fast enough?
i haven't seen the post-delve runs lately
cursive vector
maiden, bloat, nylo, xarpus, verzik.....
Forgot sote....
meager flame
tbh
cursive vector
Tob is THE piece of content where it makes sense for it to tick between rooms
But it doesnt
frail bough
I think the main thing maybe is that it still affects non speed runs (for tob)
But also probably to try and discourage waiting around (for tob) to prevent exactly what you're experiencing with mokha and that mokha just got forgot about
meager flame
i think that problem is so overblown its kind of incredible to begin with like
cursive vector
And mokha is THE piece of content where it doesnt make sense for it to tick (but it does)
meager flame
almost none of us would actually wait lol
if people want to degen the fuck out of a wr or something why not
its one of those times where its pretty self inflicted and theres really not a great reason to step on the toes of the 99.999% of people just playing the game
warm storm
i'm way more annoyed by my spec regen getting double-stolen from a badly timed delve ending than by anything surge does
cursive vector
If ur going for a good time ur spending alot of time trading between rooms, to the point where ud barely need to wait any extra for 4x surge sips
meager flame
and their weird spec pot stuff kind of ends up on the wrong end of that
cursive vector
If at all
vague rock
How long will the servers be down? I don't see any news on it / im blind
candid flume
i know you said no info on update, but have u maybe got it this time? about how long will it last?
ornate storm
vague rock
That's quick
dire mango
almost none of us would actually wait lol
It's common for people to have 3+hr first inferno completions because they wait for sgs specs between every wave. People will absolutely wait between waves for the GM time.
meager flame
thats fine though
warm storm
weird one-off play for CAs is to be expected
meager flame
like
molten basalt
hard disagree with the wave 16 CA for doom
meager flame
who cares if someone wastes their own time trying to sgs an inferno or if they wait a few mins trying to get a gm ca
dire mango
hard disagree with the wave 16 CA for doom
Where would you have set the bar?
cursive vector
who cares if someone wastes their own time trying to sgs an inferno or if they w...
Its not a few min, its 28 min per attempt, totally a ton of minutes
molten basalt
wave 8 is already such a high bar, not only for gear but for skill level. There's already a perfection wave 8 CA, why do we need 8 more of the same exact wave on top of this
hasty jewel
I think 16 is a good bar tbh, for someone who is zuk helm it should be no problem getting to 20+
meager flame
idk i think its pretty fair tbh
dire mango
Its not a few min, its 28 min per attempt, totally a ton of minutes
You don't need to do it for the CA. But there are people that will do it anyways.
hasty jewel
only CA I don't like is the speed time since it feels like another gear restriction for irons that is painful
cursive vector
wave 8 is already such a high bar, not only for gear but for skill level. There'...
Lvl 16 delve is not even the third hardest ca on it, I dont see an issue personally
hasty jewel
yeah I'm not even that good at the game and I can make it to 16 basically every time
meager flame
i do think getting to 16 is like actually hard compared to most stuff in the game
shadow wave
Speed CA is a fuck you to Irons and Delve 16 is a fuck you to Hardcores
molten basalt
the perfection on wave 8 is already such a high bar on this boss, requiring every action to be perfect
brisk geyser
meager flame
also thats not true if you can get to 16 you're extremely good at this game
cursive vector
i do think getting to 16 is like actually hard compared to most stuff in the gam...
Getting to 16 is piss easy compares to the other cas on it
vivid ruin
Delete ironmode pls jagex
hasty jewel
I mean yeah I have zuk helm (or I did xd) but I'm shit compared to actually good people
meager flame
yeah im talking about just in general in the game not compared to other doom CAs
hasty jewel
16 delve is not hard
dire mango
Speed CA is a fuck you to Irons and Delve 16 is a fuck you to Hardcores
The irons that go for GM*. The irons in that category already have good gear.
meager flame
yeah but thats just a giga warped perspective
if you can get a zuk helm you're literally the top .1% of the game
molten basalt
I feel like jagex wants this boss to be the next colosseum, and I just don't think it's that good
dire mango
What is "the next colosseum"?
molten basalt
call me a hater, but artificial difficulty through oneshots is just not engaging content
celest quail
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/game-status-information-centre?oldschool=1
I...
Okay, will use that for future inquires. Thank you.
meager flame
not saying the CA isn't fair though but it is a pretty tough one is all in the context of everything else in the game lol
molten basalt
everyone is going to defend doom because it's the first of it's type in osrs, but consider if they add another. People are going to expect it to compare to this, or even be more difficult, because the only way to complete it is the elaborate cheese invented to solve it
and it's just become a back and forth of cheese being invented, patched out, and more niche methods generated to solve more problems that jagex creates
dire mango
What is the elaborate cheese in doom if i may ask?
molten basalt
double rockblock, any of the 3 things they've since patched out
dire mango
Okay, and now they're patched out. So what's the issue?
molten basalt
they had to patch out punish stalling because that would have been too powerful.
By the way, they still haven't patched out 3t tbow, so abuse that while you can
craggy radish
dire mango
Developing a method to do a boss is not necessarily cheese if you still engage with the mechanics.
craggy radish
how can i be logged in to a previous version of the game
molten basalt
they had to patch out rockblock because it completely disengaged with an entire mechanic
meager flame
idk i think its a pretty good boss with some slightly not so good stuff about it
dire mango
Yes, and now it's patched out so what's the issue?
vivid ruin
how can i be logged in to a previous version of the game
Did u reset your router?
dire mango
People complete doom without it.
molten basalt
muspah is a 9/10 boss, with 3/10 difficulty. Doom is a 3/10 boss with 9/10 difficulty
warm storm
what took u so long
lunar hawk
I was in the bathroom
meager flame
i think if it had a better way to control where poison goes and if the loot actually meant you had to risk something to continue it would be better
vivid ruin
muspah is a 9/10 boss, with 3/10 difficulty. Doom is a 3/10 boss with 9/10 diffi...
I think delve is a well made boss tbh
cursive vector
muspah is a 9/10 boss, with 3/10 difficulty. Doom is a 3/10 boss with 9/10 diffi...
My brother in christ what are you smoking
dire mango
ancient essence
minor whale
everyone is going to defend doom because it's the first of it's type in osrs, bu...
You can easily do to delve 16 without car park
I've never done it and have it
craggy radish
Did u reset your router?
just playing on a discontinued server hbu
minor whale
muspah is a 9/10 boss, with 3/10 difficulty. Doom is a 3/10 boss with 9/10 diffi...
LOL
minor whale
Who knew people would be dooming over doom lmao
dire mango
People always cry over CAs
vivid ruin
just playing on a discontinued server hbu
If you see a tea bow in a bush somewhere, LMK....
craggy radish
i restarted client twice and cant login lol
i was in the parallel server timeline fk
inb4 rollback kek
molten basalt
No, doom was designed as a delve boss, similar from rs3. It fails so many criteria on that front. It's not an endurance boss unless you want to push PBs. Past wave 8 you stop adding mechanics, even losing mechanics, and every wave is a carbon copy, just with more acid. Doom is the first of this kind of boss in osrs, but it's been done before with better success
white narwhal
I mean doom wasn’t proposed to replicate the rs3 delve type mechanic of increasing %
minor whale
It's absolutely an endurance boss because ending runs early means you lose drop chance of the 9+ waves
warm storm
It's not an endurance boss unless you want to push PBs
loot is best at 8+ so you are naturally incentivized with or without enjoying pushing PBs
minor whale
Why would you end runs early just to get shit loot without it being endurance
lunar hawk
The game is online
minor whale
You get best drop rates by staying going deeper - that's endurance
warm storm
osrs players don't want rs3 bosses. i think doom executed its premise pretty perfectly
minor whale
Pretty much everyone who engages with it really enjoys Doom
Nate do you have a Delve 8 completion
molten basalt
wave 7, quit the boss after the first week
safe dove
Doom fun
lone remnant
Pretty much everyone who engages with it really enjoys Doom
Speak for yourself buddy
safe dove
I hated it until I got good. Now with consistent deep delves it's fun
lone remnant
I hated it cause I locked myself there until green log lol
minor whale
wave 7, quit the boss after the first week
Perhaps the scathing critiques of content would be more reasonable coming from people who actually completed the content.
Else it feels like when people cry about Inferno mechanics and pb at wave 47
Or how wave 6 of the Colosseum is unfair
molten basalt
didn't say it was identical to rs3 delve. Loot from the boss can largely be ignored, as you're only there for the big ticket items and occasionally a big drop of sunfire splinters for some reason? The boss doesn't get any more difficult as you go further, it's just more of the same wave over and over. Zero chip damage means the only damage you take is potentially lethal. It's artificial difficulty posing as a skill check, and basically locks you out unless you either have best in slot gear or mechanical precision
lone remnant
No zcb guess I’m not getting gm back
Eh I guess I could max scythe swap and tank laser
meager flame
i mean
minor whale
Lmao
white narwhal
Void bis?
meager flame
i think the content does sort of skill issue almost everyone out of it being a real endurance/enrage type of fight
warm storm
there is one (1) oneshot mechanic that happens when u ignore the boss for like 7 seconds straight
molten basalt
@ me when you greenlog the achievements, then we can talk
lone remnant
didn't say it was identical to rs3 delve. Loot from the boss can largely be igno...
Man you have a really bad take here buddy
minor whale
Hahahaha
sacred oracle
sometimes i'm not sure if you're entirely serious
meager flame
like i could for sure do more to conserve supplies to try to last longer but i dont bother because ima be real
minor whale
@me when you finish Delve 8
sacred oracle
it's puzzling
meager flame
i will die to something dumb before all that matters
minor whale
I'll be rooting for you buddy
minor whale
there is one (1) oneshot mechanic that happens when u ignore the boss for like 7...
Exactly
And it happens if you ignore mechanics, which is how 1 shots should be
sacred oracle
it's a daring position to say the boss doesn't get any harder when you don't have even 1 kc yet
minor whale
Not to mention he was freaking out the GM task was for Delve 16 completion, and he can't do delve 8
lone remnant
There’s no way this guy put 0 chip damage as a negative
minor whale
Like brother you weren't getting that CA regardless
Also the boss does get harder as you go deeper
lone remnant
It’s a positive for everything but bots are destroying the boss
minor whale
Not sure if he's aware of the acid pools that have to be cleared
lone remnant
Even before acid pools clearing high delves were relatively free lol
minor whale
Yeah lol
lone remnant
I’ll be able to knock out all these ca’s in an afternoon except for speed time
Feel like I’m boned on that one
minor whale
The only downside to the boss at all is it's so accessible with a relatively short low requirements quest, so bots are fucking nuking it
lone remnant
Remove speed times please and thanks
white narwhal
Tbh ppls will probly figure out some more metas etc since the cas and more strats will develop and ppl will chill
minor whale
Speed time is definitely the hard one
That's quite the bump up which I'm happy they added
lone remnant
I’m not
minor whale
Having some actually really hard CAs in bosses is always fun
lone remnant
I can already see pace and you miss orb walk skip
minor whale
Like how unexpectedly hard the Hespori gm time hard to be lmao
finite tapir
Speed CA is a fuck you to Irons and Delve 16 is a fuck you to Hardcores
how is it a fuck you to irons, out of curiosity
warm storm
the irons have to get gear :(
inner garnet
how is it a fuck you to irons, out of curiosity
irons have a harder time buying max gear
lone remnant
how is it a fuck you to irons, out of curiosity
You need absolute max
lone remnant
Ok
finite tapir
if you're doing endgame content on an iron at a high level you already have max or near max
finite tapir
okay great, yo ucan go from near max to max
warm storm
hmmm didn't i see a 5:50 or smth posted earlier
lone remnant
Idk lily you’ve had bad takes in the past and it’s no surprise you continue to have them
finite tapir
it's not like a barrier is created when you hit near-max where the game goes Sorry ur ironman u dont get to keep going actually
white narwhal
Ppl will probly start tanking the 1 shot it saves a ton of time if you balance hp
lone remnant
Never met a uim elitist who’s game experience is doing clue scrolls always hate on irons
craggy radish
its crazy
finite tapir
i don't hate irons, i exclusively play iron builds/accs
i just think we shouldn't be saying shit like it's unfair to irons just because they're now expected to need good gear for a top tier of combat achievement
god forbid a grindy game has a grind right
craggy radish
good
lone remnant
Yeah I have like a barely sub 8 but I never tanked laser so that’ll prob get me to under 7
lone remnant
i just think we shouldn't be saying shit like it's unfair to irons just because ...
Good gear =/= absolute max
frail bough
complaining about needing max gear for it while also probably not being a gm for ca's that won't get you to gm in the first place is sorta wild
if you really do need the gear, as an iron, go get it
lone remnant
I’m not complaining
finite tapir
in the context of my message i was referring to absolute max when i said good gear
lone remnant
I’m just saying it’s a bad take
finite tapir
because again, it's relative
lone remnant
All speed times are poop from a butt stupid
inner garnet
good == absolute max
not elitist at all
finite tapir
literally look at the fucking context of my message i sent
lone remnant
literally look at the fucking context of my message i sent
No
finite tapir
if i was talking about a low level player i'd say good is like barrows gloves or something that's obviously contextually different
inner garnet
the context was they were mad at the goalposts shifting for GM now hard requiring tbow where it previously was kinda optional
and you said "god forbid the game have a grind"
frail bough
i think making sure that gm grows with the game is a good thing though, is it not?
inner garnet
it's not the worst thing but people can be upset 😂
warm storm
CAs are optional content and i think the ultra elite tier, 13 in 10,000 type of gamer can be expected to have max gear
frail bough
or if they do, it's not going to be from doom lol
lone remnant
but the poeple upset aren't ever getting it are they
lol speak for yourself bud I’ll get the time
Without zcb
frail bough
why are you even talking
lone remnant
I just think it’s a smelly ca
finite tapir
you can think the ca is bad by all means, calling it unfair for irons is stupid though
white narwhal
If you got a zuk helm u should be expected to clear the hardest challenges regardless of iron especially irons tbh since it’s a self imposed challenge wouldn’t it be more rewarding as an iron to prove u did it or w.e
finite tapir
i generally do not like speed tasks myself, i wouldn't go as far as to say they punish irons or whatever asinine take you have on that
unique dagger
Hi anyone facing issue with their runelite? I have this issue when i click on my items to use the whole invetory disappear momentarily
restive siren
Hi anyone facing issue with their runelite? I have this issue when i click on my...
disable bad alch plugin
lone remnant
why are you even talking
Cause I can
restive siren
until its updated
unique dagger
disable bad alch plugin
Sweet! Thanks you are a life saver
chrome lantern
Just woke up, Doom CAs look great, assuming everything works right
dire mango
The speed needs absolute max
People have said this about all the speed CAs you dont get for free. Yet it's never true
vivid ruin
Just woke up, Doom CAs look great, assuming everything works right
Goodmorning E
chrome lantern
Oh neat the delve 16 auto completes on login, perfect
lone remnant
People have said this about all the speed CAs you dont get for free. Yet it's ne...
Tell that to whisperer
vivid ruin
Oh neat the delve 16 auto completes on login, perfect
You did on iron?
chrome lantern
I did it on my iron that has tbow and zcb and on my gim that has scorching bow, no bp, no rigor
vivid ruin
I just started practicing yesterday. Haven't been on in like 2 months
dire mango
Tell that to whisperer
"Absolute max" makes the whisperer speed time something u get passively. You can still get it just fine with good gear and some speed strats.
chrome lantern
lone remnant
"Absolute max" makes the whisperer speed time something u get passively. You can...
Defending speed times is crazy work bro you do you
vivid ruin
Sweet thats basically the inv I use
lone remnant
Either they are absolutely ass or completely free
chrome lantern
I had 2 brews left I just flicked last boulder early on 17
lone remnant
Never been a speed time that felt challenging
Just annoying
With that said again I’m retired
dire mango
Defending speed times is crazy work bro you do you
You'll cry, but people will get the gm time without absolute max at delve as well. Just like always.
chrome lantern
I personally think restriction tasks are way more interesting and fun than speed tasks but I don’t care at all for speeds
lone remnant
You'll cry, but people will get the gm time without absolute max at delve as wel...
You’re missing the point you loser
I’ll probably end up getting the time too when I start playing again
chrome lantern
Thankfully I also don’t care at all for GM CA so I can ignore the ones I don’t enjoy or get for free
lone remnant
It doesn’t change the fact that speed times are bad
vivid ruin
I agree. Speed tasks are rng based
meager flame
i mean speed tasks usually are stupid there are some that aren't terrible though
lone remnant
i mean speed tasks usually are stupid there are some that aren't terrible though
That’s what I said, either so easy you accidentally get them or annoying as shit
meager flame
well its usually like
a speed task for completing a raid is way more about doing the right things with reasonable gear and you get it
speed task on muspah is about praying to god
chrome lantern
The good news for you is that every single new gear powercreeps existing CA times
Just wait it out
lone remnant
All raid speed times besides toa 8 (which loops back around to being annoying) are free
meager flame
yeah thats fine though it should be like that
if you play correctly you should get it
most of the time at least
chrome lantern
Weird how I have none of them (I am a noob at Tob, spooned CoX megas and ToA my current pb is on a 500)
meager flame
well you can do a raid well and not get the speed time but if you play it well in terms of trying to save time
they're generally pretty easy
lone remnant
Cox solo time is actually smoke break before olm
meager flame
but most people aren't trying to save time like that when they just do their raids
chrome lantern
Sure if you do all the best strats already
woeful moat
anybody stuck in a "runescape has been updated" loop?
dire mango
I can see it's annoying when you have to rely on ruby resets, but calling it annoying when you have to apply some strats is just lazy.
dreamy vapor
Okay so I just failed "The Praying Mantis" because I killed the Doom with a melee punish and it died and spashed me. I had no choice it had 20 hp. Do we need to bring a stale baguette or something incase it goes melee punish that low?
chrome lantern
But I don’t think you can call something free if you’re working on the assumption of already raiding efficiently
woeful moat
ooo i think its just world 535
chrome lantern
Okay so I just failed "The Praying Mantis" because I killed the Doom with a mele...
Eat up…
woeful moat
they forgot to update it XD
meager flame
yeah i would've just kicked and hoped for the best
finite tapir
I can see it's annoying when you have to rely on ruby resets, but calling it ann...
cue the people complaining about amox speed time
meager flame
tbf that one is a dumb one just on the easier end
finite tapir
you can cut out a lot of the rng by lining up scythe hits with the ice blocks
chrome lantern
I have the amox speed time but I still don’t really like that Jagex just dropped a repeatable quest and pet unpolled like they did. The fight and stuff is fine I just wish they had polled it.
meager flame
yeah just get a scythe for the amox speed time
true talon
These CA's holy thats a real challenge lol. with how dangerous doom is, this is going to kill some hcim lol
finite tapir
i mean...
meager flame
thats kind of exactly why people hate those CAs
vivid ruin
I feel like speed times are specific for those with* 8b in gear
dire mango
These CA's holy thats a real challenge lol. with how dangerous doom is, this is ...
There are a handful of hcim that will attempt these tasks. And all of them will likely enjoy having that risk factor.
chrome lantern
Wouldn’t it reduce RNG more to just lure it to the entrance so it can’t do ice blocks, lily
true talon
There are a handful of hcim that will attempt these tasks. And all of them will ...
im sure
meager flame
they should've had a veng CA
alas they hate fun and veng doesn't work on the cool parts
finite tapir
Wouldn’t it reduce RNG more to just lure it to the entrance so it can’t do ice b...
unsure
chrome lantern
I did the amox time with a zcb spec and SRA and it definitely helps a lot if it just never tries to spawn ice
meager flame
like imagine a doom CA where instead of doing the specials you were just running around getting absolutely blasted trying to veng the phases
would've been fun
finite tapir
with ice blocks you can do 150 ish damage in 3 game ticks w/ scy
finite tapir
bc you hit the ice block and amox as well
finite tapir
i guess you could do it with chally maybe? if you don't have scy
chrome lantern
I’m not a scyther
finite tapir
i don't remember how chally spec interacts with multiple npcs
chrome lantern
It hits multiple if you hit a small npc yeah but idk if it hits small+large
finite tapir
hmm
the wiki makes it sound like it would work as long as you target the ice block, but unsure
chrome lantern
Either way still less good than scythe because it eats your spec too
sharp cave
So are we just not getting the free pet reclaims then?
Is it really so difficult to just set the gold amount to 1 coin? Or give everyone lots of reclaims like in leagues
Don't understand why this is taking so long
frail bough
think they said they were investigating it more due to the feedback provided about just not losing the pets in the first place
so probably just that they didnt want to implement more things just for it to not exist anymore anyway
but yeah idk why they didn't just adjust to 1gp immediately
sharp cave
so probably just that they didnt want to implement more things just for it to no...
Thats fair enough, but it sucks having to suffer for 6 months till they finally get around to reworking it when a band aid would do for now
frail bough
ye for sure
sick sand
Is it meant to be that grubs exploding/being killed on the boss stops the ca?
chrome lantern
It does say only damaging the boss with
Does that include shield phase
Because if so that one is now moved from good ca to dumb
sick sand
You have to tank every grub ;c
chrome lantern
Or kill it sooner
sick sand
I'll test on mellee phase
chrome lantern
As long as you can still pop shield with grubs that one looks fine as a challenge
sick sand
dfghghuguyibuidsbvuhsr
It does
Its bugged!@
Cant do shield phase without cancelling the ca
vivid ruin
sick sand
Hmmmmm, yes but damn
chrome lantern
Yeah that’s not ideal for sure
sick sand
So much to focus on already with having to mellee
chrome lantern
It’s okay now every shield phase is a rest phase >.>
jk
You have to hit the larvae super fast and run back and forth
I wonder if this CA alone will make inq mace go up a notable amount, doesn’t doom have low crush def relative to other melees
sick sand
Yes inq mace fun here
40s consistant
plus with the mellee punish very good
Running with dfs atm trying to multi-task ca's
rancid egret
A lot of them seem like they're absolute ass
sick sand
Gonna try using eye of ayak for car phase so can keep 1 handed
sick sand
A lot of them seem like they're absolute ass
Im enjoying mellee learning, but the times are insane
No mega's here so I have 0 chance
rancid egret
Never really a fan of the speed run CAs myself
sick sand
Even if natty rng dont think my setup can do it without tbow
rancid egret
Apart from the gauntlet ones, they're mostly kidna dogshit IMHO
And even those are debatable
sick sand
They need to change that shield phase for one handed ca
I want it but cba to do a usain bolt
frail bough
Why is one handed an issue, did i miss something
sick sand
If grubs explode on boss it fails
So during his shield phase you have to turbo back and forth
hitting the grubs before they get close, while also hitting the boss
finite tapir
Either way still less good than scythe because it eats your spec too
true, was just thinking about it saving the attack cd since you're slapping the ice blocks
tough rune
Hey, any news on reverting this change, please? "Castle Wars barricades now render over players if they're in the same tile, by default" It has affected so much of the Castle Wars community edit: Didn't realise i couldn't share a screenshot, so I had to type it
finite tapir
hasty shard
<:dodo_question:1099478461384507533>
tender harness
what is the any method to restore pray
restive siren
damn i almost laughed
torpid delta
the any method is the one where your prayer goes from a smaller number to a larger number
tender harness
it just reads weird lmao but might be my tired ass brain
meager flame
ya they're just letting you know if you try to prepot or you kill in melee phase you'll fail
hasty shard
but does it acknowledge prepot prayer regen 
sick sand
what is the any method to restore pray
SGS may be good for mellee bop
Not even tested it there yet tbh
vivid ruin
it just reads weird lmao but might be my tired ass brain
I noticed when I was learning yesterday that I was splashed with something that healed my prayer. I never looked into it
I think if you finish him off in charging phase?
sick sand
I think if you finish him off in charging phase?
Yes if you kill him when his doing mellee charge
He spits out HP/prayer splats
if you stand on one it will heal you
I always miss ;c
tiny dew
Dont have to stand on it
vivid ruin
Ahh you have to stand on them? I got healed anyways
meager flame
nah it just has to die
sick sand
Did they update?
meager flame
just drop a chally on his head and if he dies you get prayer/hp
sick sand
Ohhh nice, I know on release you had to be on right tile
tender harness
but does it acknowledge prepot prayer regen <:pepeclaws:1217530218588278936>
nojokeskthx
earnest marsh
oblique mesa
New players? Those are loyal soul wars players they have been there for a very long time 
analog crow
Can the jmod who stopped by lms the other day make a trip to soul wars plox
vagrant mango
how do i tell jagex that cc and guest cc chat is broken and wont work?
true talon
Are they just training or what? that place produces no actual GP anymore lol
vivid ruin
how do i tell jagex that cc and guest cc chat is broken and wont work?
In what way won't it work? My clan hasn't said anything to me
vagrant mango
its working again now
earnest marsh
Are they just training or what? that place produces no actual GP anymore lol
ye its weird, i believe you can earn up to 400zeal per hour?
thats like 400k gp an hour
seems not to bad
unborn patrol
Are they just training or what? that place produces no actual GP anymore lol
my bet is it's just a big account training farm
true talon
300k gp an hour wont even pay for the membership as they prob get banned pretty quick
woven shore
obsidian venture
Perhaps the scathing critiques of content would be more reasonable coming from p...
Always the folks who can’t do the content piping up and leading some discourse astray in these channels 🥱
half adder
Could we change doom crawler to be any wave?
Not much sense in forcing us to restart at the first wave for it.
- "praying mantis" can be renamed to "we must pray now"
- "They fear the..." could be an easy ach to finish with heavy ballista
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDiWMgM5c8
There may be better doom references but it's a shame there was a reference for tokyo drift and batman but not "doom" lol
hard axle
but does it acknowledge prepot prayer regen <:pepeclaws:1217530218588278936>
It does fail it
stuck mauve
It does fail it
tough nacelle
It's absolutely an endurance boss because ending runs early means you lose drop ...
People just regurgitate gnomonkeys opinions
Only complaint I have is speed CAs
I hate speed CAs
So much
Even the new ones
Tbh I hate them the most since each attempt is longer
tiny dew
Crying at the guy that wrote a whole essay on how bad doom is just to say he never did a wave 8
obsidian venture
I hate speed CAs
Idm them too much ngl. I do believe the raids ones should be updated but that’d be too much work for them
minor whale
Crying at the guy that wrote a whole essay on how bad doom is just to say he nev...
Extremely funny
earnest marsh
Tbh I hate them the most since each attempt is longer
group ca speed should get removed
enouhg challenge to find 8 players to raid with
hasty jewel
Doom speed is actually terrible without tbow + zcb
Finished all the other CAs today on my iron but just can't get it unless I have insane rng since I don't have zcb
tough nacelle
Idm them too much ngl. I do believe the raids ones should be updated but that’d ...
I find them just frusterating vs perfect kc
but thats more a me issue
I enjoy the mechanical ones
but theres only so much you can do with those
obsidian venture
Word
rare grotto
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1n7b7kw/a_jagex_developer_when_someone_on_reddit_tells/ @meager flame
i had a good chuckle out of this one
meager flame
I think it was valve that actually tried something like that
dire mango
Finished all the other CAs today on my iron but just can't get it unless I have ...
Have you tried with shield skipping?
hasty jewel
Yeah got a 7:30 after 1.5-2 hours of shield skipping. I don't have zcb or dragon knives so I'm just tbow camping car phase
ember token
should bp car phase when possible
hasty jewel
I'll try it out later ty
hasty jewel
Looks like the DPS is almost exactly the same in car phase in void and max ranged gear
warm storm
ah ya i was calcing w/o treads
hasty jewel
Prob just stick with tbow since it has more variance
Someone told me there's a way to 3t tbow with grubs somehow so I probably need to look into that
warm storm
ya it's bow > bp grub > bow
hasty jewel
Ye I guess I'll try that, maybe it can save the extra 15s I need
earnest marsh
do you think they should remove pickpocketing coin pouch? makes honest players mald, and players who do autoclicker atleast isnt as bad as bots
bots dont care about coin pouch so
nocturne solstice
no
I think people are weird and lazy.
Depending on the pickpocketing activity, you can just move your inv over the victim and line up the coin purse so that you can just double tap your f-key quickly to open your coin purse and go right back to pickpocketing
hard axle
Yeah got a 7:30 after 1.5-2 hours of shield skipping. I don't have zcb or dragon...
do the masori/void hybrid
i've been seeing it around
hasty jewel
Yeah I thought about that but I've been bringing tons of brews to tank all the charges
I'll give the masori/void hybrid a shot with just tanking 3-5 charges maybe
When I get back on later I'll mess around with it
grand eagle
I have a suggestion. Not sure if jagex will actually read this. On the osrs IOS app I am playing on two accounts listed under the same jagex account. Now you would think that I can just switch between these easily… but no, I have to log out and then log back in using two factor authentication each time. It is soooo annoying and time consuming. Please create an option to switch between accounts. The fact the I have to log out and back in to play a character under the same jagex account is ridiculous.
nocturne solstice
Thats a common suggestion that we have a few threads on in the #1334483848880324698 channel
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1395758823855358062
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1349006922187145267
Id assume they're working on it
grand eagle
Okay thanks for the reply 🙂
nocturne solstice
👍
hasty jewel
do the masori/void hybrid
just got a 7:08 with the masori/void switch and some nutty rng, guess you don't need a zcb
ty king
meager flame
tbh i think they might pull back on that speed ca a bit
its a bit much how it is rn
hasty jewel
yeah overall it was maybe 5 hours of trying for me to get it without zcb
ember token
i was expecting like 7:30 or 7:40
meager flame
but they have it down at the other end where you're basically just praying to god
hasty jewel
yeah I think 7:30 is more reasonable
right now though and even at 7:30 it's just a big rip for all ironmen GMs without tbow
round lintel
I think without a tbow you have to eat at least 4 99 hits
round lintel
ive never played uim but how do they make their items noted?
hard axle
just got a 7:08 with the masori/void switch and some nutty rng, guess you don't ...
biggest time save is tanking charge beams
if u can do it 3-8, ur saving like 2 minutes
but in perma chance range
ember token
ive never played uim but how do they make their items noted?
they can note items in any way that doesn't involve a bank, plus of course they can get stack up noted items that are drops from pvm
hard axle
i was expecting like 7:30 or 7:40
yeah 7:30 with 3-8 charge beam tank should be enough to get on scobow
cuz I've seen 6:20s wiht tbow
round lintel
I mean like, for example catching fishes how do they note them?
in the wildy?
or note potions
ember token
bob barter can note potions through decanting
like I said, they can note items in any way that doesnt involve a bank
chrome lantern
I mean like, for example catching fishes how do they note them?
You don’t, usually
The only noted fish are drops or minnows
meager flame
yeah 7:30 with 3-8 charge beam tank should be enough to get on scobow
ya the part about it thats really crazy is just like
i think the level of difficulty + the level of required rng combined are probably just too much
chrome lantern
Just change the CA to say [speed time] without taking any charge beams and then rebalance it for that
meager flame
bc its honestly asking people to play super well, get very lucky and also have extremely good gear all at the same time and if you can't check all three of those
it gets really really difficult
which is weird because
they started doing the multiple kills version of speed tasks to avoid that
shy sentinel
the CAs are great...other than verbage they're entirely reasonable
meager flame
where it was about playing well rather than getting lucky in max or getting absurdly lucky without it and resetting
meager flame
the level 16 one is fine because its just asking you to actually prove you know how to do the boss
the time one is pretty crazy because you have to do things you would never do in a normal run and just hit hard as fuck
it would be kinda fine if it were one or the other but both combined just means people are gonna do everything they could and just have to reset over and over
tiny epoch
first try of 1-8 with grub skipping & waiting for death charge i was one tick off GM time
think the speed time is fine
hard axle
I think the GM time is a little off
I think a lot of people aren't doing it right
the amount of people not doing charge beam tank + intentionally dragging the car MAX distance to get 2-3 extra bow hits in
is insane
round lintel
Cringe is also the wave 1 30 seconds i get ruby, use d claw spec
and still 31 seconds
no tick loss
and that being an elite task is also cringe
tiny epoch
are youin budget gear?
small anvil
Shouldn't you be meleeing
nocturne solstice
interesting gear...
round lintel
shi forgot my claws
small anvil
Melee beats range in dps
small anvil
Venge a make hit
round lintel
like good crysg
small anvil
Melee
round lintel
round lintel
maybe 1
round lintel
all rng
tiny epoch
melee gear scy multiple punishes rng into a 24s kill
round lintel
You aren't even bringing chally
forgot it on the screenie i was banking
small anvil
You're probably missing out lol
round lintel
and banked it
small anvil
Oh ok
tiny epoch
no zcb is rough as well
tiny epoch
fishing for natty ruby every reset gonna make resets way longer
small anvil
And eat a melee
small anvil
If hunting speed you would want to bring full melee switch I think
Or as much as you can
Also just use void and hit big
tiny epoch
definitely void over ur scuffed range gear
losing ticks to hit multiple str items is a bit rough
vs 1ticking the punish
small anvil
Yeah as much as you can fit i guess
tiny epoch
but without scy think u just have to take what u can get
small anvil
Maybe 3 items, not 8
small anvil
Sure idk how much you can fit without loss
tiny epoch
if u preswitch maybe u can do more
depends how his rock aligns with ur attack cycle
reacting to the shield going up its very hard
small anvil
Ah I didn't realize it was such a narrow window usually, haven't tried for the achievements
Or done that much delve. Just thinking of what would add dps
tiny epoch
de iron buy zcb wear void & reset for multiple punishes 
small anvil
But yeah void, hunting punishes seems like it should be relatively easy to get i think
tiny epoch
resetting for natty ruby + punishes must be cancer
small anvil
Yeah that sounds very unfun
Like probably just try on every Ruby and be prepared to punish if it shows up
tiny epoch
what item is this
ember token
drake claw
nocturne solstice
[[drake's tooth]]
ornate wolfBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Drake's_tooth
tiny epoch
oathplate emberlight with claw spec on the punish should be best
each claw punish is 145~ dam
pretty sure
if im wrong & you dont get 4 punish hitsplats then dual macs for punish are 85~ dam
hard axle
yeah there's a bug with melee punish again
if you same tick as you it starts, no bonus damage @jade echo
meager flame
ngl after farming the delve for the last week or so instead of playing a bit here and there
i definitely hope we never do another boss like this i would do anything to just start on wave 8
lmao its so boring doing the first 7 waves it feels like doing homework
hard axle
lmao its so boring doing the first 7 waves it feels like doing homework
oh yeah, the melee task is SUPER fun
jesus
I didn't think I'd like it that much 
but it was actually really fun
warm epoch
lmao its so boring doing the first 7 waves it feels like doing homework
Basically how I feel about inferno up to wave 50
meager flame
tbh
idk why they dont just ask you to do like
x number of waves in a row and if you can do that you're allowed to skip it after that
just so people still have their like
fundamental training area but people that already did all of that can get to the part thats actually interesting
all it really is once you know how it works is like
time gating basically
and it sorta feels bad
tiny epoch
because deep delving is like 24mil/hr 
nocturne solstice
Yeah, i feel like the obvious answer is that the drop rates are better at lower levels so it'd be weird to allow that.
Unless they charge you like, a buncha gp or something 
round lintel
Does it happen to yall during shield that your character paths stupidly awful like zigzag ?
tiny epoch
wym
round lintel
I make a straight line no boulders but when i try to sometimes my character does weird path movements
idk if yall ever notice but i do and bugs me
tiny epoch
no idea what u mean
nocturne solstice
yeah no idea what you mean, havent had that happen to me
ancient cosmos
Did you ever get a fix for this ?
zealous ledge
Did you ever get a fix for this ?
Nope, and its not just my phone, tablet also has that issue. Pc is no problem
rare grotto
where it was about playing well rather than getting lucky in max or getting absu...
This is just cope
ancient cosmos
Nope, and its not just my phone, tablet also has that issue. Pc is no problem
I've sent a report in the mobile bugs channel, does that video look like the same issue you have ?
rare grotto
Speed task isn't about getting lucky
U do need the gear, which is fair assumption for gm
rare grotto
I hope they stick to their guns and don't change the tasks
It's a good precedent going forward
zealous ledge
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1413056717880819752
Jup, exacly the same
ancient cosmos
Jup, exacly the same
Sweet not just me then !
meager flame
This is just cope
no its not lol you do ultimately actually have to roll good damage if you aren't in absolute max
even then i wouldn't say you'd usually get it
zealous ledge
Still wierd that we seem to be the only 2?!
Thnx for this responce. Did not know where to report it and hoped it would fix itself with any OS update or osrs update
rare grotto
U need the gear yes
Could downgrade a couple things but ye
Tbow/scy/zcb p non negotiable
charred acorn
For delve? If so you really only need a scobo
slender vapor
vivid ruin
Anyone try webweaver at delve?
ancient apex
Could be good for 5-8 car phases and ralos for def reduction if no zcb mayhaps
vivid ruin
Was trying to lower my death cost but didn't seem to help bringing that opposed to zcb 😭
sharp cave
I think the speed tasks are incredibly lazy and dont express any real skill
obsidian venture
dire mango
I think the speed tasks are incredibly lazy and dont express any real skill
Yeah 💯 , playing well and maximising your chances of getting the time doesn't matter since it's all RNG anyways. Someone with 70 range, a rune crossbow and ruby bolts can get all the speed times in theory, so that invalidates any supposed "skilled" attempts.
ancient apex
Speed tasks force you to do things you normally wouldn’t do for time gains
You could get time naturally but it’s very unlikely at x amount of kc
dire mango
Speed tasks force you to do things you normally wouldn’t do for time gains
Speedrun tasks encourage you to do speedrun strats? Such a wild concept.
ancient apex
How well you execute them is da skill
small anvil
It kinda depends. Speed tasks that you get by hitting nuclear without much tech are kinda lazy
Delve speed has tech for the venge beam and stuff though
sacred skiff
How does tanking a venge beam save time? I saw people mention that. Not that I need to worry about the GM time with neither tbow nor zcb nor scythe anyway, just curious
small anvil
The full heal thing was a bug they fixed apparently
ancient apex
How does tanking a venge beam save time? I saw people mention that. Not that I n...
You skip having to do da entire shield phase by taking it instead
Only works 3-5, 6+ will instakill
sacred skiff
Ohhhh I was thinking melee punish. Yeah I see how skipping all of shield phase saves time. 6+ won’t instakill if you overheal though, it maxes 99
hard axle
How does tanking a venge beam save time? I saw people mention that. Not that I n...
Can’t venge and it’s cuz grubs take too long to walk up into range and kill 3-4 of them
hard axle
Only works 3-5, 6+ will instakill
False, I 3-7 tanked and would’ve 8 as well if I didn’t have so much time cuz nuclear run
ancient apex
Oo oka
But isn't it decent to do shield phase at 6+ because of more grubs
I just do 3-5 tank beam with tbow zcb
hard axle
Tbow til 77-84, wait for rock, zcb fill or melee punish to get as deep of a proc, death charge, kill 2 grubs while waiting to tank beam
That’s about it
sharp cave
speed tasks are just boring in general, i wish they would get creative and make actual challenges
small anvil
Oh, beam tank is skipping grubs I see
Speed strat requires more food than normal play then lol
Kinda opposite of the usual dynamic of speed bringing tons of switches
hard axle
Indeed, you still bring a decent amount of switches if you wanna hit like 80s during melee punish
I settled for 69 with a 4-way
dire mango
speed tasks are just boring in general, i wish they would get creative and make ...
Sounds more like you're not satisfied with where jagex have chosen to set the bar for "Grandmaster" in general, which is fair, but there is absolutely a large skill element to getting fast times consistently.
hard axle
I enjoyed these CAs this time around. It wasn’t too hard, but also certainly wasn’t as braindead as the trend was going.
tiny epoch
this speed task was interesting
its a perfection task in disguise
tanking the laser every round putting u to 10hp
need to either perfect the rest of the floor during & after car phase or else waste alot of range pot by brew+potting back up
armadyl brews will power creep this task a lot 
hasty shard
is the laser just 99 or a tick eat?
if the task doesn't track time between delves like tob its cool
vestal cosmos
I know it’s expected that people going for GM times have max combat but I’m curious if laser tanking can be viable at like 86 HP with anglerfish and perfect gameplay
ember token
click to one of the other tabs and click back and itll fix itself
earnest marsh
gamemode canceled confirmed!!!
sacred skiff
is the laser just 99 or a tick eat?
Laser is just a 99 always, can’t tick eat it afaik
dim plank
does anyone knoe if the slayer bug is fixed?
chrome lantern
Cave bugs are still in the game
sacred skiff
As are myriad spiders with a slayer requirement
minor whale
Slayer Bug is likely not fixed yet, no
dire mango
Laser is just a 99 always, can’t tick eat it afaik
it's a 60 on w3, 80 on w4 and w5, then 99 on w6+
sacred skiff
True, I meant at higher waves, since they were asking if you could tick-eat the 99
nocturne solstice
Might be the maregubbin one
It was a wc, fletch, cooking, and crafting minigame
pastel geyser
rancid pewter
is the game getting attacked again i keep getting malformed login and getting disconnected alot
stuck mauve
i dced on a 1k pop world earlier
analog crow
It was a wc, fletch, cooking, and crafting minigame
Usually minigames give main xp in one skill and some pittance in another, I hope for a crafting main one
earnest marsh
is the game getting attacked again i keep getting malformed login and getting di...
damn new sailing fixes this week? rip
rancid pewter
rip
nocturne solstice
People post renderer related bugs here https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1392089609223143526
But stuttering is kinda common on the new renderer in a few places, that's known.
buoyant badger
soo, crafting minigame next?
Omg yes please. I’m so sick of blowing glass
meager flame
idk why they dont just do a stealing creation type of minigame
basically all it would be if done appropriately would be a way to spend like somewhat more time getting the tools from it that gave bonus exp than it would've taken to otherwise just get the exp directly
so if people want to relax or do something different for awhile but still make some progress its there
but it wouldn't actually be the best thing to do
idk how we get soul wars instead where they delete every reason for real people to do it lol
nocturne solstice
From what I heard about stealing creation, it seems terrible for osrs
tacit wharf
it was
heavy ledge
There’d definitely be an immediate “fuck no” response when people read bonus xp too
tacit wharf
only reason to do it was for the xp boost tools
heavy ledge
Like from me lol
nocturne solstice
Yeah i feel like people that want it are just being really dishonest, they dont want the minigame just the xp boost like you mentioned.
hard axle
Yeah i feel like people that want it are just being really dishonest, they dont ...
people being dishonest and disengenuous about the downsides of what they want? say it aint so
remember how toa was so praised largely because it was so easy and overrewarded, masking the problems with it until the prices of uniques were in the gutter 
nocturne solstice
I do remember that, still a great raid but like you said. Needed a lot more tuning in the back end.
I definitely would have liked some more invos and better scaling/drop rates
earnest marsh
do you think raids should had less uniqes?
if toa only had shadow and maosri, i think it would be fine drops
maybe lightbearer also
idk, the low drop rate items will alwys be so insanly cheap, that it changes the meta
illegal that the cox prayers is the most common ones
but then piety is like 20min unlock
weird
minor whale
I think the drop rates were just tuned too common the entire time, soloing was made too easy, and they never did the "we'll add more invocations in the future"
It's why any promise about future content is just flat and not believed
They have a bad habit of saying they'll do these things and then they don't, and you don't find out until update day
hard axle
do you think raids should had less uniqes?
the reward should've been ayak
not shadow
same issue with delve honestly
w2 for cloth, w3 for ayak, w4 for treads are kinda low
the concept of base rates can't be too easy to access for bis or too common
minor whale
ToA - didn't make new invos
Colo - didn't make new invos, no endless mode
Yama - "duo boss" not worth duoing, uniques giga common
Delve - all loot is in uniques, gonna be piss low gp/hr when uniques crash eventually since uniques are so common
Next content they announce I'm almost certain they'll say something will happen, then it won't, and it'll be added to the list
nocturne solstice
I think Toa and Tob got it right with 7 uniques. CoX having 12 is pretty nutty.
The problem with TOA i'd say is the misleading drop tables (it showed you couldnt get uniques at entry mode but you could?), the purples being way too common at higher invos with big teams, and needing more invos to add variety to the gameplay.
I woulda had some uniques only 150+ (Fang, LB, Lightbearer, Ward) and add in the rest at 300 (Shadow and masori set). Then probably cap the purple chance to something between 1/10 or 1/15 at max, also similar to Tob.
obsidian venture
Toa didn't get it right persay due to how accessible the raid is for how powerful the rewards were
Like it overshadows the other 2 raids by a mile and still does with prices in the bin
Hence why meta for a good while was cg into toa
hard axle
it's all the rewards piled together yeah
obsidian venture
tob did it right but now it's lacking
was done at a time where they were scared of powercreep, which is fine
hard axle
bis ranged, bis range ring, bis mage, bis mage off-hand, basically bis/2nd bis melee option for every boss
obsidian venture
but toa was overtuned and catered to the wrong group for how good the rewards were
they have really bad ideas on actual balance near and on release and it's been done time and time again
obsidian venture
when they get around to the actual root of it, it's been years
hard axle
they also took the worst parts of it and just pumped out damage after nerfing CM repeatedly
obsidian venture
I wouldn't mind if cms has lower scroll chance
timber tapir
esp if ur doing cm's should probs lower scroll chance
obsidian venture
like hmt does to avernic
craggy radish
No scrolls from cm
timber tapir
its stupid how common scrolls are
obsidian venture
ye
hard axle
prayer scrolls are way to common
were u around the time when it wasn't so common?
cuz people bitch either way
frail nebula
I'd rather see them weighted lower in CMs than to see a blanket nerf across the board
Again, like what we see with the avernic hilt in hmt and now with the fang/lb in expert toa
timber tapir
well the mistake is, when it shouldve been common (in the start) it wasnt and now when there is so much supply it should be uncommon but thats all you get
hard axle
I would've preferred something in the middle
cuz frankly, rigour is disgustingly strong
frail nebula
meanwhile augury frankly sucks
hard axle
it was like 10-20% originally
obsidian venture
mystic vigour also made augury memes
hard axle
dhcb rarity iirc
hard axle
and have low prayer drain
yeah, I still think they should've widened augury more*
remember back when it was basically only accuracy
frail nebula
ah yes, so very different from today
hard axle
before MV, it was 
frail nebula
truly, it was a different time
hard axle
it could've been 5% and still not be an issue
frail nebula
in an ideal world, it'd be neat if magic prayers could just be a comparable dps boost to melee/ranged prayers
but that would require some more extensive rebalancing of lots of magic gear
when the magic damage rebalance they did ended up being shockingly half-assed
frail nebula
including such things as literally just forgetting that the ward exists
hard axle
why add elemental weakness only to take away the 2 bis uses, the world will never know
frail nebula
I also hate their idea that elemental weaknesses (even with the harm) should never be bis
the harm deserves to be bis at some bosses
hard axle
they're so worried about irons crying about having to grind harm 
its so silly
imagine if they basically never let demonbane be bis
frail nebula
I'll just grind for my harm after their next few pnm rebalances
hard axle
like ?
frail nebula
because god knows they're not done yet
obsidian venture
Think pnm is in a better spot atm. Only thing really is to have some req to dissuade botters
hard axle
Think pnm is in a better spot atm. Only thing really is to have some req to diss...
Still waiting for a super accuracy prayer 
For melee
frail nebula
Sure, it's in a better spot than it was before
obsidian venture
The one shorter phase is nice
frail nebula
But that's an extraordinarily low bar to clear
obsidian venture
It’s still a solid fight plagued with a meh drop table
If there was more crush relevance then people would praise it
frail nebula
It's still a special combination of:
- Difficult and long fight (which is fine)
- Terrible normal drops
- Incredibly low unique drop rates
- The uniques aren't even good
hard axle
i still think pet contract yama/bloodied blows should've been the base yama 
obsidian venture
But this last event, I saw so many people at pnm
Usually would be virtually untouched
frail nebula
pnm is slowly moving in a better direction imo
hard axle
1 dude did like 700-800 pnm in 10 days
obsidian venture
Pet contract for sure
frail nebula
that man should be studied
obsidian venture
If anything they should have had more duo mechanics
Such a shame
Wouldn’t mind if they reduced the drop rate further + increase nex droprate
hard axle
but yeah, they dont have to fear powercreep from better gear as long as they upgrade older one
nm's rates were partially because they feared creeping bandos
and weak gains
hard axle
if it was torva or oathplate tier today, but ate bandos or justi or torva
people would love it
ember token
combining inq with justi is a common enough suggestion that they'll probably do it at some point
hard axle
as much as i think oathplate should've consumed some previous gear, they did fix the low defense shenanigans from inq days
obsidian venture
combining inq with justi is a common enough suggestion that they'll probably do ...
Ngl
Wouldn’t even mind if they consumed justi for a cosmetic ngl
Imagine to use holy kit, you need pieces of justi
Defense is generally so meaningless
ember token
lore-wise, inq is an altered justiciar's set so it makes a lot of sense to be able to combine them
obsidian venture
Still waiting on them potentially changing the shadow
As they mentioned before summer
ember token
what they said iirc is that they'll adjust shadow before or with the next new piece of magic bis
obsidian venture
Hmm
hasty shard
Still waiting for a super accuracy prayer <:SMILE:1270494740588007567>
we already got 100% acc spec mfw