game-update

[mild saddle]

depends if you're saying solo yama or not

duo you never see orbs really

but even solo yama, you just off to mage worst case and finish the last 5%

[chrome lantern]

I've been duoing my max gear iron with my partner's gim account, he has 80s attack and 90s str and we get orbs pretty much every kill

[mild saddle]

tbh, that's wild

[chrome lantern]

He has emberlight, burning claws, oath helm, torso, etc.

And I've been horn-mauling at the start

[mild saddle]

i am surprised tbh, still can off to mage

[chrome lantern]

I usually do, doesn't mean it's easier than door-altar

[mild saddle]

doing 5 hits with a 3way mage swap is fine

i think learning it is easier, i really do

[chrome lantern]

I don't know how to orb mid cycle in duo so I just off and do the last 100 damage or so in max mage purging :p

[mild saddle]

yama has so many things that guide you to getting it down

i'm sure there's a better way but i'll see if i can find a diagram to explain what i do

idk if i can post images

[chrome lantern]

I don’t need to know tbh I’m fine but ty

If i want to know I’ll look up a guide, not a focus rn

[mild saddle]

idk the "right" way but from the donofly day1 tiles, you can just shoot one orb from the 1, then spec one from 2, then click 3 on xp drop, then click boss

that gets you two more cycles of melee iirc

the weird waves part has some wonky tech that tbh is whatever

[mild saddle]

the guides are super complicated with specific jelly tiles to cover all scenarios

cba with all that

just using the exact same tiles you were using covers the vast majority of situations and you can still get back in cycle off vibes if you get dragged from the 2

like if both orbs are far right

you can kinda just feel when you should click the boss and do that and worst case you mage

[tacit wharf]

im not sure how you dont understand how this looks and feels more complicated to learn than door/alter bandos

while the only "difficult part" is just how long it takes to get back to one over than the other

[mild saddle]

it's really, really similar

but instead of the trip ending on mistake you get kc and go again

the shooting jellies part, sure

but that's not baseline yama and is not necessary for kc cuz off to mage or duo kc you just never see them usually

how many reps you can get in is absolutely part of the difficulty of a boss

the stuff above is like adding walking to your door / altar pre-agility change or flicking minions, unnecessary to learn the boss but good optimizations to add later

in terms of ceiling, yeah yama has some cool stuff with nofly and such, but the basics? super simple

[austere mulch]

Can also just do the method where you both tank and kill orbs between and deal with p much none of the mechanics

Which is reasonably popular

It’s worse ofc, but basically trivializes p3 entirely

In a way that even the most handicapped can do it

[mild saddle]

i forgot about that method

another point for bandos being harder

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like you've been away from Bandos too long

They're not really similar at all and you keep saying stuff like "trip ending on a mistake" and "bandos you mess up it's over" when bandos max hits with melee at 60 and ranged at 35

Yamas autos are 46, the meteor spec is 121, the shadow spec is 80

[mild saddle]

no first kc bandos guy is getting back in cycle

[nocturne solstice]

The meteor spec also forces you to walk and at p2 has shadow waves at the same time so you're likely to take some damage anyway

[mild saddle]

you mess up the trip spirals

[nocturne solstice]

You can even just run corners for the first trip

Bandos has 255 hp, you'll be fine

[mild saddle]

yeah running in circles is easier than yama

i guess offing to that could work, you'll tank a few but it'll work

that's a good point

i very vividly remember every mistake was a dead trip back when i did it

[nocturne solstice]

Iunno maybe give bandos door altar trip a go

You said the last time you did bandos was with cannon

[plush mountain]

how do i open two accounts on runelite? do i have to link them both under same jagex launcher then select on the drop down to open each one individually?

[graceful cipher]

any news on what the update will be today?

surely slayer point update

[heavy ledge]

That’s exactly how I do it, idk if there’s another way

Pro tip, you can also set up different runelite profiles for each account. It’ll even remember which profile you have set on each account

[meager flame]

Bandos is not harder than yama lol its just more straight forward

Like

The reason a bad player would think bandos is hard is because they simply dont really get ticks and will likely have to learn

Yama visually shows you what is happening so even though you're dealing with more its understandable

Get someone that actually knows how osrs works though and they'll drop trips that last hours at bandos

Its more deceptive than difficult for people that are new because the methods just expect you to know things that you cant see or know without someone teaching you in 99% of cases

A lot of osrs bosses have that fake difficulty where its actually very easy but invisible so you need a YouTube video first

[austere moon]

They cant just drop the slayer sweep up without givings us the free pet reclaims as in the original post ;c

[fringe mist]

Does task storage work for wildy slayer yet?

[candid flume]

how long will update long?

[loud agate]

thats the easier way to do it yeah

[green pewter]

Free pet reclaims were not part of the original slayer sweep up blog, it was part of the poll 85 blog

[ancient ember]

We no longer have down times with Game Updates unless it's a major release :3

[green pewter]

People ask this every week, maybe jmods should have a single sentence on every wednesday update saying no downtime

[stuck mauve]

but how long

will the long

[south panther]

update looks very good! glad to see those slayer changes being implemented ☺️ 👍

[rigid meteor]

will konor effectively start assigning mith dragons to everyone now, after the update? since the "mith me" unlock is no more

[fluid mica]

Are we going to have to waste Slayer points on each trainer to block tasks. If I use Duradel + Steve is it going to cost me like 1000 points to block 5 tasks on each

[south panther]

Points to block varies each slayer master, it's shown in the post 🙂

Turael/Aya and Spria: 40 points
Mazchna/Achtryn: 50 points
Vannaka: 60 points
Chaeldar: 70 points
Konar: 80 points
Nieve/Steve: 90 points
Duradel/Kuradel: 100 points
Krystilia: 100 points

[fluid mica]

How much is a block now, 150?

[south panther]

You thumb's up my message 😂 so I hope you read it haha

[fluid mica]

I mean before this update, were blocks 150

[south panther]

Uhm, not entirely sure, I think it was 100 or 150 yeah

[shadow wave]

100

[fluid mica]

So we get screwed if using more then 1 trainer by costing us double the points to block

[south panther]

So yeah, you'll be spending more .. but if you're smart about it, you can farm more slayer points quicker.

[fluid mica]

I use

Nieve/Steve: 90 points
Duradel/Kuradel: 100 points

Normally 500 points to block across both

now 950 to block across both

[shadow wave]

But now you can have seperate lists for both

[south panther]

^

[shadow wave]

So you can get a list that's better for Nieve and one that's better for Duradel

[fluid mica]

They share pretty similar lists and I tend to block the same across both

[rigid meteor]

Also, point boosting will be much better with masters other than the lowest one:

"Low-level Slayer master points have been buffed! Mazchna now awards 6 points per task (up from 2) and Vannaka 8 points (up from 4).
Milestone multipliers have also been updated to give slightly more points, without surpassing their higher-level masters; Mazchna: 10th task 30 pts, 50th 90 pts; Vannaka: 10th task 40 pts, 50th 120 pts."

especially since you can block bad tasks

[south panther]

There ya go, slayer has become a lot easier and you can narrow it down to specific task you enjoy doing 😊

[fluid mica]

Really should have the option to choose to block a task on a different trainer if you have it blocked on at least 1

by just going to the slayer master and have it in the block options

While allowing the option to block different tasks if you prefer

[neon radish]

Do we know roughly how long we arent going to be able to use Runelite for?

[rigid meteor]

if you already had a lot of stuff unlocked, you're winning

[brazen plover]

I‘ve reported a bug ingame where players could not spectate the orb in clan wars (purple portal) anymore. You would only see their pets wandering around but cannot see any players, neither from your team or the opponents clan. It‘s been weeks since my report but still no patch ☹️

[rigid meteor]

if you didn't, you're not gonna be blocking two masters that are effectively the same

[rigid meteor]

if you had task storage unlocked, you're net positive on points after this still

[fluid mica]

I'm 75 slayer and I tend to switch between those 2

[rigid meteor]

let alone rb and b&b

[shadow wave]

Doesn't seem like engine work is required for this so should be pretty immediate.

[rigid meteor]

yeah, so you should have plenty of points already? or you need to reprioritize, neither of which is an issue

[shadow wave]

Oh wait, are runelite saying they may be down?

[neon radish]

No worries, just that they mentioned it would be down

[rigid meteor]

I personally hate the combo of metal dragons rn

but it's better for people overall

[fluid mica]

I just dont see the point of taking a way a feature and adding a new one, when you could keep the current and add the option to have a individual block list on other trainers

[rigid meteor]

this thing I want to know is if konar is effectively assigning mith dragons by default now, or never assigns them

[shadow wave]

It's in the launcer apparently

[rigid meteor]

old feature makes less sense, some of us will suffer but I do think it's healthier overall

[dire mango]

With the duration of mark of darkness being extended does this mean casting it with the purging staff is still 5 minutes or a whopping new 15 minutes?

[green pewter]

I imagine konar will now assign ancient cavern metal dragons randomly upon meeting all the reqs to get mith dragons as a task

[hardy thicket]

is the slayer update out?

[rigid meteor]

not until the update, countdown should still be going?

[rigid meteor]

Really hope they added a combat level requirement then, more than the 75 which was the minimum for bronze/konar:

"Unlocked the I hope you mith me ability via spending 80 Slayer reward points, partial completion of the Barbarian Training miniquest"

because this requirement is trivial

[candid flume]

thanks for letting us know ❤️

[earnest marsh]

every easyscape update, is a good update

kkew

[ancient ember]

The latter! Duration will be extended by 15 minutes with the Purging Staff

[jolly dust]

someone said 5 hours downtime? or are they tolling at guardians of the rift?

[analog crow]

RL may be slow to get back up

[stable furnace]

Sorry where do I find when the servers come back?

[analog crow]

But official client should be instant innit

[valid bolt]

im ngl its really annoying that theres no way to sort the slayer task list by % instead of alphabetically

[north vessel]

Granite hammer doesnt cover "all phases of grotesque guardians" as the update suggests. It still cant hit the flyer.

[valid bolt]

i mean its not a 2 tile melee weapon im not surprised

[oblique mesa]

Why would it be able to hit the flyer

[north vessel]

Because thats a phase of the grotesque guardians. 🤷‍♂️

[placid shuttle]

Current task shows 0% weighting. Would be good to show normal weighting

[valid bolt]

my current task is black demons and it shows its weighting as normal

[placid shuttle]

Bug maybe

[valid bolt]

perhaps

i gotta figure out my new blocklist i guess

[past moth]

My black dragon task was cancelled upon the update. >.< Not a huge loss, but I don't think that was intentional.

[rigid meteor]

ugh... I have to redo all withdrawal quantities in the main client... 😭

[rigid meteor]

unfortunately my black demons task was not...

[past moth]

I guess the spaghetti code that combined metal/alloy dragons only went as far as to cancel black dragon tasks.

[rigid meteor]

which slayer master?

[placid shuttle]

yo jagex, if we're gonna patch anything can we change sort order of list to order by weighting instead of alphabetical

[past moth]

Kouradal or however you spell it.

[rigid meteor]

the lvl 100 one?

[past moth]

Duradel's replacement.

[rigid meteor]

nvm my guess isn't likely to be valid, wonder who else got cancelled and if it was a dragon only issue or not

[past moth]

It's nbd. No KBD session for me right now is all.

[ripe solar]

When I login, will I know which blocked tasks i had that were refunded?

[rigid meteor]

I was just told the amount of points I got refunded

it might depend on why things go refunded though

[plucky carbon]

Getting assigned monsters outside of wilderness from Krystilia after update

[sick magnet]

What did you get

[plucky carbon]

kbd, not supposed to be on the boss task list because its in a safe zone >.< tried but didnt get kill credit

[ancient ember]

Will share this with the team

[placid shuttle]

hmmm now that I think about it, is this actually a good qol change. having to block highest wegihted tasks ( shit like hellhounds) across all 3 masters (Konar, Dura, Kylista) is pain lol

rip my points already

[dire mango]

Yes, the qol of separate block lists for each slayer master outweighs the additional cost of blocks.

[sacred skiff]

The option to sort tasks alphabetically or by task weight would be really nice

[plucky carbon]

I think you break pretty even considering the reduced price of ring bling/superiors/task storage which are all awesome unlocks

[placid shuttle]

guess its more annoying at first, but better once fully set up

[past moth]

Can always prioritize blocking with the master(s) that assign the highest number.

[rigid meteor]

and the additional points from the canifis slayer master if you do that for point boosting over the 'thorpe master

looking forward to seeing strategy breakdowns comparing the two

especially since you can block tasks for both/either if you're doing that

[ancient ember]

I'll raise this as a suggestion 🙂

[rigid meteor]

is there gonna be clarity on how metal dragons get handled with konar specifically since certain areas effectively assign a specific dragon? is combat level being taken into consideration and is it tied to area or was one decided for the whole batch?

[placid shuttle]

Last thing id say is that 8%+ weighting for metal drags at Konar seems wild considering the next highest (and previous highest) are 4%-5% and specific to her dungeon

I get they've been combined but would be nice to tweak a bit, no master had anything close to that weighting pre update

W update overall though 👏

[past moth]

"no master had anything close to that weighting pre update" Even when you combine the weights of the individual task types?

[somber furnace]

Would love to see slayer helmet cosmetics being all unlocked on 1 helmet without having to waste more points/buy more helmets.

[rare grotto]

market

i need the optimal block list

by TONIGHT

[dire mango]

Why? I'd be surprised if you have enough points to fully block for one slayer master

[light osprey]

Attn Mods - You may be aware of this already, but I've found an issue with the slayer update. I just got assigned Avansies even though I don't have them unlocked as a task

[rare grotto]

i'm p sure i got hella points refunded now

[placid shuttle]

Yeah thats probably whats happened, think it could do with a weighting drop rather than just adding together the previous separated ones. It is a new task afterall

[rare grotto]

would be nice if i could legit cannon every task from now on

perma afk

finally cop slayer CAs

😭

[past moth]

I wonder if this will effect nally prices, with spider tasks being easier to get in theory.

[shadow wave]

They're aware, similar bug with people being assigned bosses they don't have the quest for

[light osprey]

Okay sweet, thanks

Stupid part is that I don't want the task, haha

[rare grotto]

yup.

slayer is in

[light osprey]

But will have to spend points to skip it

[ashen delta]

So all my points for blocks are refunded (100 points each), but it costs the whole refund to reinstate it at Kuradel (100 points each) . And now im screwed at any other master. @ancient ember ?

[dire mango]

That's how it works yes.

[placid shuttle]

Yeah this is what I said too. The qol is annoying at first cos you will need to block things multiple times, but once set up its better

[sacred skiff]

You’ll probably be refunded points from things like task storage, but no you’re not “screwed” because the ability to tailor lists to that slayer master is busted

[past moth]

Gotta apply strategy.

[sacred skiff]

Has anyone done a banshee task for turael since the shortcut? Is it worth maybe not a block after all?

[placid shuttle]

Woulda been nice to have a "global block" option that costs like 150 points or something

[past moth]

Legit question, since I only know from the perspective of my playstyle: Why are people doing tasks across so many masters that the point cost is an obstacle?

[placid shuttle]

Dura: normal master
konar: every 10th and milestone
kylista: wildy slayer
tura: skipping

^ pre update anyway, might change now

[vestal cosmos]

I would probably just do twisted banshees since they are aggressive without goading potions and decent XP

[past moth]

I see. I guess it'll just be a bit of a time investment to set it all up then. To me, it makes slayer more interactive than just "kill this thing- the end".

[cloud ermine]

Whats happened to the bh worlds?

[worthy hazel]

Question: Metal Dragons at Konar, will it now be: Kill Metal Dragons in Brimhaven dungeon or Lithkren etc, if yes that's a block

[past moth]

What do you mean? World 569 was deactivated, if that's it.

[cloud ermine]

318?

[past moth]

Blog says 319 is the new world.

[cloud ermine]

Oh wow American ping lovely

[vestal cosmos]

BH is basically just people slayer, why not try monster slayer for now? You might enjoy it

[sacred skiff]

Oh yeah they're solid when you still need slayer xp for sure. I'm mainly trying to find the fastest tasks for Turael though because I'm 99 slayer anyway and am just hunting specific tasks

Lizards and dogs definitely out, love it

[wooden harbor]

turael skipping has gotten so much better

[sacred skiff]

The banshee shortcut does seem pretty solid

[wooden harbor]

this is what im thinking

Dogs
lizards
minotaurs (mostly cuz i dont have the tele there lol)
monkeys
skeletons
spiders
wolves

[sacred skiff]

Yeah skeletons are a good shout, they're annoying. Spiders are quick or enable a few kills at spindel though

Wolves and monkeys definitely annoying

[vestal cosmos]

I farmed out the tele staff in f2p with a rune scimitar and no prayer potions, I believe in you

[wooden harbor]

just cba lol

im only ever hunting inferno tasks on the main

and we got 7 skips so might as well

[ember token]

means you havent even completed the varrock diaries too right

[wooden harbor]

not elite yea

[rigid meteor]

konar just isn't worth blocking for every 10th task if you don't have excessive points, just do what you're given unless it's something you can't and then that's a jagex issue that'll need patched

the ability to block all metal dragon tasks at konar for one slot are gonna outway the downsides for those that want to do that though

[placid shuttle]

which is deffo a worse qol if you don't do konar blocks than beofre update update because it was automatically blocked before under global blocks

Don't think its a big issue, but deffo worst qol for a slayer qol update

[drifting ginkgo]

idk Konar has wildly different weights and also assigns unique monsters so it's nice to have a seperate blocklist for her imo

[wooden harbor]

i think slayer points need a slight buff overall since we need to grind a lot more points than before to setup block lists :o
but idk maybe its fine

[placid shuttle]

Yeah I know ill be doing konar blocks once i build up enough points

[drifting ginkgo]

You also need less pts for the "mandatory" unlocks like bigger badder, rings etc. so i feel it kinda balances out idk

[wooden harbor]

true

[past moth]

And can still cancel tasks.

[placid shuttle]

Agree. I'ts going to be a pain for people actively training slayer and moving through master too. They either need to block at current master and know they have to then block at new master once they get it. OR dont block at all and get bad tasks

[drifting ginkgo]

like u can start working on ur blocklist sooner than before assuming fresh start but it takes longer to complete it

[hollow tulip]

Mory easy diary is broken. Just got a slayer task from the master there but the diary step isn't ticked off. Where's best to report this as a bug?

[olive nest]

What is everyone blocking at turael?

[rigid meteor]

oof

[rigid meteor]

@olive nest

[wooden harbor]

i think if i had tele to minotaurs i would block kalphites instead of them

[olive nest]

Spiders are "free" wouldnt block them

And you can do araxxor

[wooden harbor]

just not that good locations to get it done quickly

[sacred skiff]

kalphites are fine with whatever desert diary gives you ammy tele

[clever parrot]

Can you still block a task thats active

[sacred skiff]

but idk if my opinion on that will change when more people are killing them

[clever parrot]

Or do you have to pre block now whem making a new list

[wooden harbor]

theyre just a longer task than other turael tasks comparatively
they're not bad for sure

[olive nest]

You could use a spider cave tp and cannon the small araxxors

[sacred skiff]

Still gotta have them blocked at kuradal anyway

since aya can't reassign them

So you'd only do them when hunting wildy boss/rev tasks probably

Which I plan to do (and unfortunately so does everyone else lmao) now that I can have a Krystilia blocklist

[wooden harbor]

true, but its still a longer task than most other turaels i think cuz small araxxors still have more hp

like these are all not bad tasks at all, but you have 7 blocks, might as well block things that are ever so slightly slower

[sacred skiff]

Spiders are so quick

tp draynor, set up cannon by ham hideout

done in under a min

Or go do spindel

[olive nest]

Would draynor tp be faster than lumby?

[sacred skiff]

Felt quicker to me

But probably pretty close

[olive nest]

I'm so tempted to block cave slimes

[sacred skiff]

My 100% blocks are dogs, lizards, wolves, and skeletons. Gonna feel out the other three. Like idr how bad scorpions are

since I've had to block them for krystilia

But maybe they're n2b if I get them skipping kura or steve

Might be n2b with ring of elements

[olive nest]

Scorpions are pretty ass ngl

think im gonna block those

[sacred skiff]

I kinda suspected they would be lol

[rigid meteor]

kalphite cave is elite diary anyway

[sacred skiff]

elite gamers only

[rigid meteor]

why skeletons?

[sacred skiff]

cuz running all the way to edge dungeon is a nuisance

[rigid meteor]

isn't digsite pretty quick to cannon?

[sacred skiff]

and then it's not in multi

[rigid meteor]

giant soul ammy

[olive nest]

Requires rope, cannon and "long" travel time

[sacred skiff]

It's like ok, but not multi so it's kinda annoying

[olive nest]

Instantly blocked monkeys, skeletons, lizards and dogs

[sacred skiff]

monkeys are such a pain, you're right

take so long to respawn, and then their bodies look like ones you can attack lol

[olive nest]

I've been doing them at ardy zoo and half of them arent attackable

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I feel like both spots suck

If you're on runelite, the attackable ones have a different ID, so you can highlight them if you want

which makes it a bit better

but still not great

[olive nest]

Didn't know that tbh

[chrome lantern]

Can also kill some demonic gorillas :)

[sacred skiff]

True, I am finally out of spare zenytes since Moki blessed me with a third cloth rather than some swanky shoes

But I don't think I'll ever go back there on this acc. Nearly double-dry on heavy ballista

Albeit with 8 zenytes to show for it

[chrome lantern]

Good news is cloth is the last thing my iron needs

[wooden harbor]

17 hp mining guild :o

[olive nest]

is that fast? i've been doing the lil ones at ouriana altar thing

[wooden harbor]

ya its singles but like 90% of the time they die before they reach or get safespotted between rocks so you can keep blowpiping without getting delayed

[kind sail]

this means we can set up a turael block list right? holy hell

[swift flower]

Anyone else received Araxxor task with too low slayer level?
Boss task

[sacred skiff]

If you have high enough that you can wild pie that's tech lol

If not then that sucks

[past moth]

I believe they're looking into tasks being assigned that shouldn't be.

[swift flower]

74 isn't going to make it

[kind sail]

idek how to setup my duradel block list now lol, only reblocked black demons

probably still wyrms and drakes no?

[wooden harbor]

i think you just block highest weighting tasks that you also dont need to kill for specific drops

[tender harness]

The Agility requirement for the Castle Drakan shortcut has been raised to 86, following player feedback that the previous level was set too low for the benefit offered with this master clue step.
huh? in what world did someone complain this was too low

[olive nest]

Everyone on reddit
They're crying for easyscape and when they get it they cry

[kind sail]

I mean yes but also dark beasts are a highly weighted task but only 10-20 so now way we block that

[sacred skiff]

I'd link you to reddit/2007scape if I had rune privileges lol

[tender harness]

like stop fucking listening to reddit christ

[sacred skiff]

Damn beat me to it

Reddit cost us demonic spade :((((((

[tender harness]

a 1500 total andy who did no farming did

[kind sail]

wait the drakan shortcut is 86? I thought they meant slayer tower

thats so weird lmao

[tender harness]

no the slayer tower one is still like mid 60s or some shit

[sacred skiff]

Slayer tower also was raised, I think?

The one that goes all the way to the top

[tender harness]

it was not

[kind sail]

slayer tower chain to the top is 86

[tender harness]

is it now?

[kind sail]

since like two weeks ago

[tender harness]

it was proposed for like mid 60s

[kind sail]

yeah they changed it

same reasoning as this drakan one lol

[tender harness]

its still like the dumbest fucking shortcut they could have added

[wooden harbor]

damn that does suck

[sacred skiff]

Ok tbf on the slayer tower one though

[tender harness]

the drakan one didnt even need changes

[kind sail]

nah doing GG's with no specters fucking my shit is nice

[sacred skiff]

It was lower than the existing chain shortcuts to the 2nd and 3rd floors lol

[tender harness]

sir, getting through GGs with out slayer helm is a right of passage

[rigid meteor]

how do you even get to the slayer level for gargs without a slayer helm?

[past moth]

Bad black mask rng?

[rigid meteor]

or 1 def maybe?

[sacred skiff]

If on main, buy it

If on iron, grind that shit the instant you hit 58 slayer or whatever

Oh yeah could be low def though

[kind sail]

really only affects doing clues in the slayer tower tbh

theres no way youre doing gargs without a slayer helm lol

[sharp cave]

The point i think, is if you die your helm might be stuck in the instances item storage

[frail bough]

Regent pouch Fixes:
-> Reagent in #game-changelog

[tacit wharf]

just buy a nosepeg before you go back to get yr stuff...

[bright ermine]

Can we look at clustering demon tasks too 🙂

[sacred oracle]

metal dragon update sucks for clog if you're using konar, since it's now much harder to get the metal dragon tasks you want and avoid the others

not a fan of it

actually having to block metal dragons and continue the grind offtask because it doesn't work at all at konar now

so it's a nerf to my efforts

[native sky]

getting a slayer task from Mazchna is not completing the easy achievement diary task

not sure if here is where i should post this

[dire mango]

We appreciate your sacrifice

[meager flame]

They probably wont cluster demons because it would really really cut down on total tasks

Although I do think demons are in a weird place

I think it feels weird that people are going for greater demons for example but basically never ever actually kill greater demons but they do kill bosses and pseudo bosses that count as greaters

Same thing with black demons

[idle rapids]

why would you want any metal dragon task wtf

I guess there's mith dragons for DFH but thats it rlly

[faint umbra]

mith, addy and rune have collection logs

[frail bough]

rune have clog, addy have clog

[minor whale]

I think it was pretty fucking low for how useful it was, same with Slayer Tower one

[meager flame]

It was

It just crushed people's dreams to have the typical actually good agility shortcut tax applied

They're just lucky it isn't in the 90s

Jagex could probably generally be a little more forgiving about shortcuts lol

Pretty much all of the good ones are like hey btw are you well over 80 agility? Unlike any other skill lol

[past moth]

Gotta have some incentive to train gilly.

[meager flame]

They already fixed that though

No shortcut will ever save you the time it took to level for it

[past moth]

Interesting perspective.

[meager flame]

The run energy changes actually did fix leveling agility not giving you anything though

[kind sail]

doesn't make it any less annoying

sure going through waterbirth normally wont save you the time it takes to get the agility req to skip the annoying parts

but is it 100% worth it? absolutely

[sacred oracle]

clog

need dragon metal lump (rune dragon) and dragon full helm (mithril dragon)

[faint umbra]

also, doing steel dragons in brimhaven dungeon with elite diary and bonecrusher is easy smithing exp

[craggy imp]

Anyone having issues getting a slayer task? Just setup a new block list and bought task storage, stored my current araxyte task and now cannot get a new task. No dialogue box or errors in chat box?

[past moth]

That's new. Submit a bug report?

[idle rapids]

Congratulations you've finished slayer

Theres nothing left for you to fight

[mild saddle]

we should get rid of the wipe chests

if anything they can go to death on double death

but double death wipes are very unnecessary

[frail bough]

How to make people quit the game: 101

[hard axle]

[valid bolt]

ok but fr why cant we sort the task list by weight

[sand fulcrum]

Has anyone reported being hit by dragon fire through extended anti + mage pray?

Happening to a buddy right now

[past moth]

Think that combo is possible 10 damage without a shield, yeah?

Or is that just at Vork?

[sand fulcrum]

I thought that was only vork

[prime sky]

Helmet of the moon isn't retroactively unlocking on clog for me

literally got it yesterday lol

[placid shuttle]

can you use it on the clog?

Think that used to be a thing

[prime sky]

Yep! I can

ty for the tip

[round lintel]

this point system sucks they gave my 700 points and somehow just between konar and kuradel block list i ended -350 points xd

[rigid meteor]

mage pray doesn't work at metals, which dragons?

[normal merlin]

I thought this new update was going to include adding the rune pouch for purchase at the mage training arena. Been hanging onto some points waiting for it. Anyone know if that’s still happening?

[frail bough]

The Rune Pouch can now be purchased from the Mage Training Arena for 150 Telekinetic, 150 Graveyard, 1500 Enchantment, and 200 Alchemist points.
You can only buy one if you don’t already own a Rune Pouch.

[normal merlin]

Ah, completely missed it when I was reading through. Thanks.

[true talon]

that seems kinda expensive?

[reef swallow]

I just got assigned Lizardman even though I don't have Reptile got Ripped unlocked. I'm guessing this is a bug with the new slayer changes but don't see it in the known issues

[scenic ibex]

It is listed

[zealous ledge]

Are there more who have a issue when hopping worlds on mobile that the app closes? Tried reinstall and empry cache

[sacred oracle]

hmm, how did i get a beginner scroll if i have 5 already? it won't let me pick it up

think it might be a bug with this update, since this is the first time this has happened to me since i banked five to stop getting them

[ember token]

think it started happening within the last few weeks

[sacred oracle]

hmm, maybe I just haven't killed anything that drops beginner scrolls until now

[idle rapids]

that is strange

[halcyon crater]

any updates on when they are hotfixing slayer?

[frail bough]

for what specifically? can review the blog for the hotfix statuses

[wintry stratus]

Hey I think I found a bug, I just got assigned extended Metal Dragons, because I want Dragon Limbs, and I only got 106 from Steve, Might be a bug hence me mentioning it here since it says 150-200 for extended tasks

Like, I'm gonna do what I've got but I did want more metal dragon kills :c (In addition, it costs 200 points, thats a lot for bringing it from 40-60 to 100-150 or so)

[molten basalt]

bruh.

[minor whale]

Did you block it from the list while still having it as a task

Because it'll do that

[rigid meteor]

it's basically the cost of btp but 75% less in everything except for alchemy, which seems really reasonable considering the pouch cost or time to get via slayer points

[molten basalt]

I don't remember how I blocked it, but I did the task, came back, and the Slayer cape perk triggered, but at least accepting this did properly give me a different task, despite asking me if I wanted to repeat the blocked task

[spark bone]

does golembane stack with slayer helm bonus?

[kind sail]

dragonbane does so i dont see why it wouldnt

[round lintel]

With Sailing the max total lvl will be 2376, can we have a 2300 total world now? xd

[quiet plank]

I doubt it

But maybe

[vivid ruin]

If we do get them, it wont be until a percentage of members have that high of total

[chrome lantern]

More likely 2250

To match other 250 increments

[sacred oracle]

I've always wanted max worlds myself

not sure if jagex have ever commented on how they feel about them

[craggy radish]

Nice QA

[glass remnant]

As someone who really doesn't like slayer, this is a formal IOU for one smooch on the forehead to every Jagex staff member who helped implement the new update

[harsh blaze]

Will there be leagues this year?

[maiden roost]

How did I get spiritual creatures task? The list says 0%

I also got skeleton vyverns when it said 0%🤔

[humble cargo]

Rs3 league but no osrs league

[meager flame]

tbh they might as well just make a max world while they're at it

when i maxed originally there were about 10k of us

now its like 60k

actually closer to 70k

its definitely ballooning as they actually address terrible skills to the point that even the new skill coming out will probably only very temporarily lower the number but not for long

[wheat mirage]

Seems like mory hard diary step doesn't complete today (advanced spiky chain). Maybe bugged after the new slayer tower shortcuts was added?

[heavy ledge]

Ohhh don’t think I’ve seen that bug in here yet. The canifis slayer master diary task wasn’t working today too, so they could be somehow spaghetti-coded together

[chrome lantern]

Did you succeed the agility shortcut? It doesn’t count if you take damage from it

[smoky lake]

Just got assigned suqahs at kuradal? 0.0% chance why :'(

[heavy ledge]

Bad QA :/

[wheat mirage]

Lol ty, done this on multiple accounts before and had no clue that this was the case. Well not the first time a diary/combat achievement text isn't 100% correct (you do in fact climb the chain even when you take damage)

[shadow wave]

If you checked your % after getting the task, it will show 0% as you can't be assigned suqah twice in a row and that list is showing the chances for your next task

[earnest marsh]

What's up with chins

Basically all-time low but over X2 more buyers then ever jezz

[smoky lake]

bots + new players tryna chin for range ig

[vivid ruin]

Ive noticed that a lot of items are historically low in value.

[smoky lake]

solomission vid shows why

[quaint torrent]

When are they going to fix slayer bug

[nocturne solstice]

which one?

Maybe they already did

[earnest marsh]

Should keept first one not fixed 😉

[nocturne solstice]

skill issue

[flat mulch]

Has the team said anything about US West world ping? Before ddos attacks I was getting 13-15 ping on most us west worlds, now it's higher than US east, sitting around 60-75 ping on most US west worlds.

[dire mango]

They have not. Then again it's hard to feel sympathy when the "high" number you're complaining about is my normal ping 😭

[flat mulch]

Totally understand about the sympathy. I can acknowledge that 13-20 ping was a luxury lol.

[rare grotto]

13 ping jesus

blud hosts the server

[hard axle]

11 here

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-explode-explode-explosion-gif-4544136717827095514

[velvet acorn]

Im closer to us east and since the ddos my normal 22- 25 has risen to 33-45 on us east

[hard axle]

Ironically, the ddos actually fixed my routing issue

I’ve been getting packet loss on UK worlds a week before delve and it stopped after the ddos

[flat mulch]

I probably wouldn't even say anything if it was only 10-15 difference. But it's closer to 50-60 difference.

[flat mulch]

My UK worlds are still around 120, which is pretty normal since I am US West. I could do activities on UK/AUS worlds and it didn't feel too bad. But now they are completely unusable. Even just walking around feels more like 600 ping. It's pretty unresponsive for me

[hard axle]

I think they changed the routing post ddos, which is why it fixed it for me

and then fucked it for you

[flat mulch]

We love that for you, hate it for me lol

[hard axle]

Hopefully they fix for you and not un-fix it for me

[harsh quartz]

is slayer still broken? IE no xp from some jad tasks etc

[stuck mauve]

[shadow wave]

I believe that's all been fixed

[solemn sorrel]

Love the new slayer update, idk why I thought they would group all slayer helms to "recolor slayer helm"

[craggy radish]

I wouldn't mind the free 7k points. And maybe that's why :(

[earnest marsh]

why do you love it? easyscape?

to be fair, we should just make everything faster in the game

everyone would love it

[mild saddle]

overall the slayer update makes slayer more fun, turael buffs are awkward but all the block list changes were good otherwise

not a fan of combining the metal dragon tasks into one though, shouldn't have done that

[torpid quartz]

Why not? It's broad enough that you can either use 'easy' metal dragons to get through it or use the harder rune/adamant metal dragons, or block them altogether.

Or do you think they should've split High vs. Low Metal dragons, i.e. Iron/Steel/Bronze vs. Rune/Adamant/Mith

[small anvil]

Addy/rune were pretty quick point tasks

While the other ones were not common enough to need to skip

It likely works out better point wise to block than before but I haven't done the math yet

[meager flame]

I haven't actually looked at the updated weights

Are those in game?

It should be very easy to know if metals are a block skip or do task

Assuming they are in game

[dire mango]

They get blocked. It's the highest weighted task and gives 30+ each task.

[meager flame]

Yeah thats cursed lol

[valid pewter]

It's too slow, unless you're fishing for a vissy

Gives up to 200 depending in the slayer master

30-45 without extending

[worn wedge]

Hey everyone and Happy Friday. Does anyone have any an update on the release date for the 2nd appeal system?

[elfin surge]

I was using nox hally at GG's before, but since the granite hammer had an update, is it any better at gargoyles / gg's now?

[vestal cosmos]

It's sonewhat better, but I think it was mentioned to be intended as a midgame ironman option rather than a BiS. Nox halberd should still blow it out of the water probably.

[shadow wave]

Hammer left, Nally right

It's not awful but Nally is better and you can use on both

In absolute max, Nally left Hammer right

So yeah, Nally always wins + you can use on both Dusk and Dawn

But Hammer not a bad option pre-Nally for sure

[stuck mauve]

who's nally

and why do they always win

[mild saddle]

metal dragons went from the occasional small steel task with rare addy / rune tasks you'd do for quick points to perma-block

just looking at the way i play, i used to take little detours when taking slayer to the brimhaven steel dragon cave and rune / addy, even miths actually. now, those areas are all dead content to me

it just reduces variety in slayer, which is a lot of the point of how slayer is structured and effectively shrinks the amount of content i interact with

it's a buff though, blocking 14 weight of tasks is crazy

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I’d probably block them now, but I used to do mith-rune because I’m baited by the visage drop that I’ll surely see eventually.

Ofc once I get a DFS I wouldn’t use it anywhere because I didn’t need to kill dragons any more

[mild saddle]

been saying it for a bit now but we're way overdue for an endgame dragon boss

Lance, DHCB, Huey's wand, and all the shields wouldn't mind a place to use them similar to how Demonbane got the spotlight this past year or so

all those items are a bit to rare to be as pushed at the content as demonbane has been, but some bis places where alternatives aren't too far behind would be cool

[chrome lantern]

Surely if they did that they would make skele and wyvern visages not have meme drop rates right? :^)

[true talon]

Ya this whole year was about demons and demonbane weps, hopefully we get some new undead
Content or dragons. Would be sick to get a new salv upgrade.

[mild saddle]

for real, would people really be opposed? they're all kinda nonsense

saw a suggestion to turns the visages into synapses, so they're all the same item and you choose the shield

then add a new source

[rare grotto]

not sure how i feel about salve upgrade

feels like powercreep for 0

[hard axle]

Salve is already terrifyingly strong for how easy it is to get an upgrade. It’s why Jagex has always historically stayed away from making monsters undead and giving reasons why salve doesn’t work on X.

If you want a further buff, it would probably need to come from at least an Inferno tier content.

[tacit wharf]

or as a reward for a new gm questline ending

[true talon]

Ya we seen what that lvl of content rewards like Colo and its rune prayer armor, niche boots and failed range dragon war hammer.

Oh and it’s convoluted quiver design that only helps t bow and zcb

[hard axle]

Yeah and the solution isn’t to stick it a 25% dps boost onto med level piece of content

[true talon]

That’s what I’m saying, end game content should reward power creep

[hard axle]

👍

[rare grotto]

yeah that's what i'm saying, even if u add +5% thats hella max hits for no reason

[true talon]

Even doom offers to Much for how difficult it is on lvl 1-4

[rare grotto]

and it begs the question

does undead content need powercreep

idk what else there is besides bloat ngl

mystics

[true talon]

Uniques shoulda been 6-7-8 and base loot from 1-6 shoulda been drastically better that way of you going for uniques you are risking.

Average 100k per wave by time your at 6

[tacit wharf]

next year could be the year of undead bosses

[true talon]

Fact they put no base loot and made all the reward in uniques while having uniques drop as low as lvl 2 is not good.

[sacred skiff]

Undead bosses have such potential for fun flavor though

Using their own limbs as weapons, blasting gross shit at you

Fully Bloodborne level stuff

[plucky roost]

I expect it to be the year of raids 4.

[tacit wharf]

i mean it could be both

[sacred skiff]

:v

[tough nacelle]

I think the issue is people ask for strong content that comes from quest rewards because that’s what the vast majority of the game is at the early levels

[hard axle]

Wow, Tass actually asking for harder content to be worthwhile

[tough nacelle]

The endgame slows down a lot

And most voters don’t realize that

Because at 1800 the games still really fast

But we can’t keep pumping out these crazy upgrades at this speed

Ayak, dual hit bracelets and BIS boots from one boss

[hard axle]

Jagex’s constant need to capitulate to med levels and throwing out balance to pump up engagement numbers is 100% going to bite them in the ass because they’re repeating the same shit other MMOs did now

[sacred skiff]

from the first 4 levels of the boss, no less lol

[hard axle]

Ayak being 100 gp a shot and better than everything sub shadow is a good example of this

mage Bowfa goes hard

[tough nacelle]

It’s literally mage bowfa

But without the caveat that it’s tied to a set

Bowfa has a power cap

Ayak is a cool item but it seems really common, and probably overtuned with the bracelets vs cost to use

But yeah it’s partly why quest rewards lately have felt weak

[tacit wharf]

jagex reinforcing that powered staves should be BIS for everything, is shooting themselves in the foot, they have 3 other weaknesses to consider with mage (elemental/ancient/typeless)

[tough nacelle]

well they locked making elemental staves cool behind nightmare

because now that has to be the "bis"

[tacit wharf]

ya

[tough nacelle]

dont get me wrong

I love the new gear

[sacred skiff]

Isn't the Arkan Blade like a baby vw/bclaws?

[tacit wharf]

baby vw, yes

i didnt see the need for it

[tough nacelle]

the arkhan blade is like baby b calws

[sacred skiff]

That's pretty good for a quest item

[tough nacelle]

sometimes its lik DDS

sometimes like bclaws

[hard axle]

It’s the DDS of 2025

basically

[true talon]

I wasn’t a fan of the delve system, because it felt like wave 1-6 was wasting my time with bad loot and low unique chance. I would have much preferred being able to bank and fight the boss on its hardest difficulty on repeat without having to deal with awful endurance management and bad rng of acid pools.

They didn’t add any relevant way to clear acid outside of going slow an waiting for more orbs

And no way to control acid or grub spawns

[true talon]

What? This is first real upgrades we got in years and it was from pretty end game content should. This is were upgrades should come from. Not mid game slop. Those should offer niche items to help you progress to end game.

[hard axle]

Part of it is the time sink because if you didn’t have to do 1-6, the rates would have to be rarer.

As always, they wanted some build-up to the tough mechanics so people would stop crying about shit being too hard out of the gate, which doesn’t make sense to me

[true talon]

End game content should be hard it doesn’t have to be for everyone. If it requires an end game acc it’s harder to bot and it has a larger barrier. It also gives mid game players a goal to strive for.

Doom didn’t need piss easy mode wave 1-6. It felt like a slog and I hated every minute of it. Because it didn’t reward anything an wasted many hours of my time.

[hard axle]

you don’t have to tell me twice

I want shit to be harder

Explaining why Jagex doesn’t

Dude, out of the 7 tradeable uniques, only 1 was 8/8+

[true talon]

Doom 8 wasn’t even hard because it was designed hard, it was hard because it was bugged to shit an didn’t function.

[hard axle]

Treads from 4 and 5, Cloth from 2, 4, 5, 6

[true talon]

There is a difference in difficult fight and non functional fight

[hard axle]

[sacred skiff]

I mean, Doom 8 is definitely hard lol

Esp if you don't have zcb to cut out 1/6-1/3 of it

But the bugs did make it harder

[true talon]

I didn’t think it was to difficult when they fixed the stall bugs

[mild saddle]

GM quest is basically not a req

[true talon]

And reduced the amount of times he can melee punish in a row

[sacred skiff]

Would that I could be such a gamer ig

[true talon]

And after 8 9+ was easier

I mostly went till I died or venom ragged my rock block tiles

[hard axle]

Post change was insane since you can proc shield as low as 45% now

[true talon]

Ya fact that void was bis and you basically had to risk nothing. Ruined the content.

Couldn’t melee it, despite it having crush weakness

Inquisitor went into the bin

[meager flame]

Nah i disagree

In terms of like actual mechanical aptitude it asks from players rather than like strategy

[true talon]

Hardest part about doom 8 was getting the shit orb to path correctly

[meager flame]

Its probably still the hardest boss in the game that you are actually intended to farm

Everything else is like an awakened boss or contract or content where you can stand behind a pillar thinking or miss tons of ticks and be chill

[true talon]

I liked doom mechanics, I disliked the massive rng of venom, melee grubs and grub spawns

[meager flame]

It just asks people to click faster and better than pretty much any other farm boss

[true talon]

Atleast doom forced them to fix the servers

I used to have massive delays and now they been pretty stable

[hasty shard]

you can definitely melee mokh lol

im pretty sure scythe is slightly more dps than tbow

you need to tick fix delve 1-2 though

[chrome lantern]

I would actually really love this, you should make a game suggestion in that forum

I’ve never seen the orb path wrong in doom, it seems like it just probably isn’t going where you expect it to

Which could be described by some as a skill issue

[true talon]

It is it worth meleeing, and can melee go deep or be as good as range (probably not) the acid a melee from doom and the lack of dps during car make melee poop.

[hasty shard]

ok im retracting my statement because scythe = 3 splats i forgot

it is notably more dps, anyhow

like .5 more with inq max

and i'd assume you'd hammer w/ scythe so mb slightly more

[narrow folio]

I feel like youd still zcb shield phase or ancient/sgs instead

Car phase

[chrome lantern]

I mean you can do both open maul and zcb burrow phase

[tough nacelle]

The entire boss was so buggy

That it was hard to know if you messed up or not

[chrome lantern]

I mean

[tough nacelle]

And I guess my point is the volume of rewards coming from one boss

[chrome lantern]

It is an insect

[tough nacelle]

Like multiple items all from two bosses

[true talon]

If you scythe the boss all 3 hit splats make acid btw

[tough nacelle]

Instead of 5 bosses

[hasty shard]

wow almost like i said that

[true talon]

You would have a room full of acid before wave 5

Ya sorry I missed that part

[austere mulch]

Zcb not that great wave 8+ anyways unless you just have extra spec and don’t need hp and/or prayer. Maybe if you don’t have tbow and are zcbing car, it can be nice to get an initial clear

But trying to proc shield before first boulder is harder for car phase than intentionally placing rocks from the first bolder

[chrome lantern]

Should I not be using ZCB on burrow with my tbow? 👀

[sacred skiff]

I wasn't thinking you'd try to proc shield before your 2 rocks

I figured you'd zcb on a non-melee boulders, then open car with it too

[austere mulch]

I still use it if i just have spec to use and a dc avail

[sacred skiff]

200 free damage

[austere mulch]

But mostly ags/bp

Nah you’ll get much less than 200

A lot of the times you get deep procs bc you can get extra bows into the proc

So with the dmg from shield it’s not uncommon to go into car with 350 or less hp on doom

Though if I get a melee shield proc and have a billy spec to use, I’ll sometimes send a zcb after the hally instead of a tbow

Mostly ags and bp though. Would use Eldritch if I cared to go any further than like 30-40

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1411038503877480498

Personal request/recommendation based on the recent changes to Bottomless compost bucket rightclick options

[earnest marsh]

do you think jagex will fix bot issue near future?

[tacit wharf]

shrug

[meager flame]

Honestly no

Maybe they're cooking something but its an endless battle

[hard axle]

Can they aggressively push down bots? Yes.

Are they doing it now or can they do it permanently? No to both.

[meager flame]

I assume the next big thing is removing runelite in favor of their hub

[hard axle]

It's a lose-lose battle because if you go super fucking hard on bots, you risk false bans.

[tacit wharf]

i mean, some of them aare super flipping obvious

[hard axle]

always some donkey playing like they're a bot unfortunately

[meager flame]

I agree I could manually ban right now all day at doom

[tacit wharf]

i mean u can just sit at edge and clear 3 different scripts right there

[meager flame]

Those are just too obvious

[tacit wharf]

abyss/air orbs/smithers

u can start going through highscores and basically nuke anything with 1 specific kc

and nothing else

[meager flame]

Id probably nuke real people too suspiciously playing from brazil

But thats okay

[tacit wharf]

same for random 20+ mil skills with nothing else

[meager flame]

Like

[tacit wharf]

we dont care about the economy of a country

[meager flame]

Im assuming a lot of those accounts that clearly boosted to get to doom are real people

But theyre also obvious gold sellers

[small anvil]

That solo mission vid was horrifying how bad it was

[tacit wharf]

evescape did one as well

[small anvil]

I did wonder why the bond hadn't gone down more with such a big influx of players

I hang out on total worlds so I'm a bit insulated from the issue

I benefitted randomly from dragon chain going to 1m

[tacit wharf]

its funny cuz there is a guy at crafting bank running wrath runes (skelly visage on) for the last 6 weeks, post 99 with 200m smithing xp but not yet maxed

[small anvil]

like the market distortions I saw were obviously bots, but the solo mission vid had way way more than I expected

Like I was aware of yama, soul rune because I was paying attention to that market

[tacit wharf]

thats 36m rc xp, while also have 200m smithing xp but also so close to maxed

like come on this account doesnt make sense as a real player anymore

[earnest marsh]

Ofc it would be gathering skills to be last 😮

And slayer

200m smithing xp hezz

[round lintel]

200m smithing doing rune stuff is an awesome profit

[earnest marsh]

Ye but bf is like the least fun content in the game

[small anvil]

Also I feel like a few bots turned down their activity or off in recent days

[round lintel]

ive met people who hate slayer

[small anvil]

Prices on some things is climbing

[earnest marsh]

I hate Slayer

[small anvil]

Dunno if jagex did a small ban pass through or smth else

[earnest marsh]

Dint see any of the top 50hsicore in wildly bosses getting banned

[tacit wharf]

like i said, last 4-6 weeks, done nothing but rc wraths from when i get on to way after i get off (was doing it when i just logged in to check his name from rl)

[round lintel]

anyways they should open a couple of remote work plazas to manually ban obvious bots

something like, rogues castle bots

rev bots

puro puro bots

priff bots

Yama bots

Doom bots

Bandos bots

those are really really obvious

even Nex bots are easy to spot

[tacit wharf]

forgot corp bots

[round lintel]

oh yeah but those are much harder cuz they are most of the time in an instance

[tacit wharf]

im sure mods can go into instances of other players

[round lintel]

idk if they dont want to ban bots cuz they buy bonds

and jagex makes profit of them

maybe thats why it seems like they dont care catching them

[small anvil]

Bots buy bonds with gp. Players would buy them up instead. They just make bonds more expensive for people

[round lintel]

bots may buy them with gp but they are in the ge because someone bought them with irl money

so if there wouldnt be a demand for it there would be less in the ge

[hard axle]

While I understand why he chose that world, the one thing that I didn't like about it is that it took a world during dead hours.

Would've been a more interesting metric if he chose a 1-2k pop world.

[meager flame]

well

it was horrifying for multiple reasons

the video is actually ass because he basically pulled some insane logic out to scare people that doesn't make any sense

"if i check these super botted locations and then assume for no reason that everywhere is like this and that normal people are online as long as bots are then that would mean 40% of all players are bots!"

its actually probably his worst video that i know about lol by a lot

[meager flame]

and tbh i do think botting is getting worse but we're just not capable of really putting those numbers together without a huge effort

maybe if we had a wiki plugin to crowd source scanning every player that everyone sees and ran them through some kind of automated system where we tried to figure out what bots and gold farmers look like we could

[small anvil]

Yeah it's def gonna over represent by going to a lower pop world, but the sheer variety of content they were so present at was a lot

[meager flame]

the hardest part is that you have to get through the noise of the fact that bots will naturally be online longer than normal people

[small anvil]

He checked the whole map he could he said, but he started and showed the ones in vid that had lots

[meager flame]

so you'd need tons of real people to constantly be contributing accounts to the total list of known active players

otherwise you'd never catch all of the real people logging in and out

to get real %s

[small anvil]

Also bots kinda have schedules lol

I was really plugged into the soul rune market for a while

[meager flame]

i kinda think you could do what im talking about but im not sure if it would be kind to jagex's hiscores pages

[small anvil]

The demand for soul runes (yama bots) spiked starting around 1 and ended around 9-10 Pacific

[meager flame]

and they would probably think you're trying to ddos them

[small anvil]

And it was a bit bell curve looking

Meaning they had distributed windows they were active in

[meager flame]

but you probably could go crazy and like scrape their hiscores data to an extreme degree to put a good number on total players and then filter the results to try and expose obvious bots/gold farmers/banned accounts

[small anvil]

Like the methodology sounded more sound than the visuals of the vid.

[meager flame]

im assuming the reason we don't already have this on like a massive massive scale is because they'll block you trying to interact with the hiscores anywhere near enough to make it work

but if someone was willing to basically start their own battle with jagex you probably could pretty accurately figure out how many monthly users osrs has and everything else

[small anvil]

Also like solo's methodology was gonna over count based on the world he picked, but it was reasonable for the question of how many of active players are bots

The high concurrent players is what many people were talking about

[meager flame]

yeah but a number like that will always favor bots

like

you could likely heavily influence the result by simply picking a different hour of the day

[small anvil]

Yes he chose a low pop world which will over represent bots

[meager flame]

i just mean stuff like

[small anvil]

But if the question of what % of concurrent players at any given point is bots

[meager flame]

lets say i want to make the video but its like 4am eastern on a weekday when i run around

[small anvil]

It's not that bad

[meager flame]

well i basically would have just filtered almost the entire population of real osrs players out

[small anvil]

Bots dont run 24/7 though is one point I was making

The higher end ones are like on a 8 hour a day schedule or smth

[meager flame]

and if you really wanted to make the results look better

you'd just shoot for something like 3pm est on a weekend

and the bot number would look way smaller

[small anvil]

I just didn't know that there was such a wide variety of bot types

[meager flame]

oh yeah basically

[small anvil]

That showed up in the vid

I'm more aware of them via mArket impact

[meager flame]

most of the bots you see with like 100+ in a certain skill are actually suicide bots

[small anvil]

Since I play on 2k worlds

[meager flame]

that just run constantly

and for some reason jagex ban waves are spread out so much that they just go crazy

for like

[small anvil]

Yeah chin bots

[meager flame]

months

[small anvil]

Yeah it's stupid that they don't at least take out the obvious ones

Make suicide botting economically unviable

It's not wasting your ammunition

[meager flame]

like check out the doom hiscores

those bots are putting up numbers that actual people can't often dream of

they're just online putting in crazy work

[small anvil]

Like I understand the cat and mouse and why to ban wave

But flagrant examples that aren't even trying to hide

Should be eliminated asap

[meager flame]

yeah it just sucks because like when im doing doom

every run back or every time i die

[small anvil]

I understand not revealing your methods via instant banning on edge cases

[meager flame]

there is almost a bot right there in the lobby each time

[small anvil]

But the suicide stupidly high numbers options

Should have their gp traced

And nuked

It isn't that hard to just do an audit of the gp flows

[meager flame]

i often just wonder what the people botting get away with that aren't obvious

[small anvil]

Make it economically unviable

[meager flame]

like

[small anvil]

Instead of ludicrously profitable

That's how you beat bots

[meager flame]

what if they had well rounded accounts with normal sounding names and didn't run them 25 hours a day

those probably exist

[small anvil]

I'm telling you they didn't run 24/7

It was super obvious that they ran during peak hours

For the yama bots

[meager flame]

i dont even see why they wouldn't ngl

[small anvil]

They flipped on at like 12-1 pacific

And off around 9

[meager flame]

the waves take so long to come its probably more profitable to just run them into the ground and remake

[small anvil]

And oath shards and worms and catalyst was driven into the ground

[meager flame]

but yeah you should watch the youtube series that i assume is still around

[small anvil]

With high volume and relentless downward pressure on the prices

[meager flame]

where the guy bots to max

if you want to see how bad it can be

[small anvil]

In that period

[meager flame]

its pretty old now but lol

[small anvil]

Also souls shot to the moon

Flipping old-school had a recent vid where he pointed out the player numbers going up at the same time everything started the March towards 0 in prices

Think it was may but coulda been March, forget

[meager flame]

yeah i just assumed it was getting worse because

i played rs back during 04-07 and i also played before and after the bot nuke around ~2010-2011ish

[small anvil]

More new players, more people buying bonds, cheaper to run a bot startup maybe

[meager flame]

and right now i see bots the same way that i just saw them on everything in like 2006

[small anvil]

But it's like bad bad

I stick to total lvl worlds mostly so I don't notice

[meager flame]

and it was bad back then thats why they took away free trade and everything

they were just losing the war to bots and all of the charge backs from stolen info

[small anvil]

It's just like, how is jagex doing it this badly

[meager flame]

were going to put jagex out of business

[small anvil]

Everything is devaluing

Ya now they're just using bonds instead of stolen ccs

[meager flame]

im just wondering if we're going to hit the next level of this

to match the 2010ish vibe

[small anvil]

Idk, I knew it was bad but I didn't realize it was all bonds all the way down

[meager flame]

where normal people started botting because nobody was getting caught anymore

[small anvil]

I thought the deflation was partly the ge tax and jagex maybe having gone overboard in cutting gp drops in recent content drops

And like ... Nope, maybe the GP cut matters cuz bonds are doing all the recent stuff

But it's not natural

[meager flame]

i almost think that if and its a big if

the jagex client and plugin hub are getting close to done

that they might have just kind of quietly given up on the current landscape

and that they plan to just remove access to the clients everyone uses rn

not that long from now

[small anvil]

That feels like a classic jagex move. Let things go to shit, see this is why you can't have runelite

[meager flame]

it wont solve botting but it will absolutely nuke them for a short period

and cut down on the methods they can use

[small anvil]

But secretly they just stopped trying

It's obvious they're not actually trying

At the moment

[meager flame]

i mean i think even if the bots died tomorrow

runelite's days are still numbered

there isn't really a good reason that once the official client is up to speed that they would even entertain the idea of allowing it to be there

its just potential risk for nothing

[small anvil]

The reason is that jagex is just bad at making client

Mobile menu swapper is so awful

[meager flame]

yeah thats what the plugin hub is though

they're going to migrate everyone to make their client for them

more or less

[small anvil]

I mean. On one hand I don't even like runelite that much. Plugins are kinda resource hungry and badly written mostly I think

But plugin hub wouldn't fix it

[meager flame]

it'll be the same thing its just a jagex controlled api and environment

in theory it should be better than runelite

[small anvil]

Also like, I feel like jagex would crack down on things like mixology plugin

That make things "too easy"

Quest helper I could see being hit too

[meager flame]

they already do

jagex already has the channel to simply tell runelite to remove something and its gone

like disregarding rules and everything they can ask them to just nuke a specific plugin for no reason

[small anvil]

Idk, the current bot situation really feels almost manufactured in the level of neglect they're doing i think

[frail bough]

"current"

[small anvil]

It's gotten a lot worse in the past 3-5 months or so

[meager flame]

what it really is

they're doing a bad job of hiding bots from players which is something they actively try to do

[small anvil]

I wonder if the price of gp has gone up

Like new players often means demand for gp

[meager flame]

they've always existed but they usually keep them semi hidden and doing activities that aren't right in your face

[small anvil]

The market impact is like every facet of the game rn

[meager flame]

you can tell when they're losing control when you cant boss without seeing them run into the same instances you are

[small anvil]

Pick any item and see the botting impact

[frail bough]

allegedly

[sacred oracle]

I disagree with this. I think saying they're not trying assumes we know a lot of things that we don't.

All we know is that we can see a lot of bots.

We don't know the percentage of bots that they are catching and banning.

[small anvil]

Suicide bots not dying is malpractice

[sacred oracle]

So we don't have any actual insight into how hard they're "trying"

[small anvil]

People have been monitoring the delve front pagers

And seen nothing right

Not nothing but like, not much

[frail bough]

imagine listening to someone whining about something and "fixing" whatever it is they say and watch how out of hand it gets with people thinking they can just whine to get action every time

[small anvil]

I'm not saying it's a certainty that they've backed off enforcement

[hasty shard]

i feel like it takes them literal months to ban bots from when their flagged tbh

[frail bough]

there's no winning here, think from more than one perspective

[small anvil]

But I wouldnt disbelieve it

Are you saying I'm just whining or something? I don't understand your point

[hasty shard]

hey the whinings been working we got an ai support bot

[small anvil]

It's pretty obvious it's gotten worse

[frail bough]

im saying that there's no winning from jagex's side so its easier to just do whats been done and ban in waves

banning cause people have "noticed more bots" isn't necessarily a reason to listen and would likely just lead to more people bitching to try to hav emore action taken

which isn't necessarily a bad thing but its not a good thing either way

[small anvil]

Banning in waves on suicide bots is dumb

[hasty shard]

bot epidemic is an ebb and flow
imo its currently very flow

[frail bough]

"okay we banned all the bots you were talking about" now what

its just moves on to the next "please ban these bots" like alright buddy, thanks for the input - we definitely didnt notice those

[hasty shard]

like you can kinda tell when people aren't complaining about bots as much but its been kinda daily for the past two months id say

[frail bough]

its not like they are fucking clueless

[small anvil]

Suicide bots that don't even take any disguising behavior thrive off living long enough before being squashed

Wave banning on those is stupid. It just encourages them

[meager flame]

yeah i mean when you really look at the people doing these bosses its like

i know there is a normal process right

[small anvil]

Splinters went to nothing

[meager flame]

but i can as an individual open up and look at the top 50 players for every single boss in the game

[hasty shard]

i mean splinters got another source with doom

[meager flame]

in a few minutes

[hasty shard]

i think that was the nail a bit moreso than bots

that and corruption changes

[meager flame]

and honestly the bots are just there in the open

[hasty shard]

that and quiver not actually using charges for half the ranged weapons

[meager flame]

dude farmed guardians of the rift

then logged in and killed 2100 doom deep delves natty

alongside his 35 cousins

with the same account

like give me a break

lmao

like i dont even care if they can't figure out how they're botting

[small anvil]

The time frame of things all relentlessly going down in price kinda matches up

[meager flame]

they are either botting or gold farming

[small anvil]

On a ton of botted things

[meager flame]

just ban them

[hasty shard]

if its a real person i think they still need a pulse check 😭

[small anvil]

Look at the volume graph for black chins lol

[earnest marsh]

Even blackjacking getting heavy botted nowdays

Crazy world we live in

[small anvil]

They're aiming for rogue chests prob

[earnest marsh]

Yep or pp

[hasty shard]

it annoys me more when they don't ban flagrant bots at competitive things

it is genuinely impossible as an actual player to try mining runite

[small anvil]

Lol pharaoh scepter volume

[hasty shard]

priff bots with 111 mining and no gloves come the fuck on

[earnest marsh]

Yep

I mined some clay there

A bot logged in every 10sec

[hasty shard]

its not even just priff it is every rune rock except stranglewood

there was a solid few months where the tapoyauik rocks weren't botted iirc

[hasty shard]

and runite golems... i guess

[earnest marsh]

Kekw, runite golems kinda have high requirement meanwhile worse then rock itself

[hasty shard]

im being a bit conservative but like come on how are they at the isafdar and heroes guild rocks

[tacit wharf]

can say any rune rocks

[small anvil]

I miss when bots stuck to doing the things real people didn't want to do

[meager flame]

tbh

i think they should just have a review account flag for people that are like

doing something so crazy it almost has to be a bot or a gold farmer

and just immediately take them out of the game

and decide what to do with them after

[rare grotto]

mate

are u stupid

😂

what do u think happens if they ban

always funny when ppl's solution is "just xyz this" 😭

[meager flame]

They remake and jagex hopefully learns their lessons about how available end game bosses are

[rare grotto]

they don't just remake

they make em better at not getting detected

so now jagex has to invest even more resources into bot detection etc

this also has nothing to do with how available endgame bosses are

[meager flame]

Yeah but that doesn't matter when theyre just on the server permanently

[rare grotto]

anything can be botted regardless of difficulty

[meager flame]

And it does matter

[rare grotto]

go on elaborate

[rare grotto]

they do get banned eventually, jagex has incentive to do them in waves

instead of just ban xdxd

[meager flame]

Yeah so it takes time to get an account to its destination to bot right assuming you dont steal the accounts

Meaning the longer it takes the less profit they're making irl

[rare grotto]

not necessarily

[meager flame]

It does hurt them to ban them

[rare grotto]

if the boss isn't available then the drops will be worth more

so the money could be the same, or even more

[meager flame]

Yeah except if it takes them longer to get there

You have more time to ban them to begin with

Jagex needs to waste their time more than they do

[rare grotto]

and how is that financially worth it for jagex

ur proposing jagex 2x 3x their bot detection system + resources

[meager flame]

Okay so never ban them and only remove people for charge backs

[rare grotto]

just for it to not end up mattering because bots will get stronger anyway

so now they have to invest even more

[meager flame]

Simply gaslight players and say the bots aren't there

[rare grotto]

there's a reason they call it an arm's race..

[meager flame]

Maximum profits

[rare grotto]

ur never gonna win

if u have a solution for jagex that doesn't just bleed them money, i'd like to hear it

[meager flame]

I do I just gave you one to make money

The just ban them thing though was just for the obvious bots that everyone can see that I could manually remove from hiscores rn

No detection system required

[rare grotto]

but that doesn't solve anything

ban one another one pops up

[meager flame]

Sure thats when you realize you've created a situation you cant really create with the gameplay but

[rare grotto]

maybe i'm misunderstanding what ur proposal was meant for

do u want to make it seem like botting is nonexistant? or do u want to get rid of botting

two very different things

[meager flame]

It does matter to delete those accounts because

If they keep getting owned in public it will eventually be 2010 again

Where normal people bot because they know they can

[rare grotto]

so u want them to ban top 100 or w/e botters so that regular joes won't start botting themselves?