Actual baby voidwaker
#game-update
obsidian venture
minor whale
It's only 250k to reclaim I think, so you get an insane spec weapon for the cost of "free"
vestal anchor
I mean the quest also isn’t really just something you can breeze through trivially either
minor whale
It absolutely doesn't need a buff at all
vestal anchor
Not like DScim you can get from purely safe spotting
Tbf the main buff I was suggesting was let it’s spec stab
Or maybe a stab acc buff to compete with dsword
minor whale
It's a couple hour quest at most man that's not some high level pvm or grind
A spec stab would make it even more strong when it absolutely doesn't need it
true talon
you can only buy runes
hard axle
you can only buy runes
kingdom 
true talon
oh i forgot about that place
true talon
it is pretty useless
hard axle
hasty shard
arkan is an """iron""" weapon that is coincidentally insanely broken in pvp
vestal anchor
it's strong for its pvp use cases
Bro bad argument. Do I need to grab a list of all PvP specific nerfs to items?
hasty shard
cough cough antler guard same update cough
true talon
you can get your 99 con from doing 99 wcing at teaks
hard axle
okay back to arkan
burning claws was the middle ground between dds and dclaws
then arkan was the middle middle ground between burning claws and dds, while being giga affordable
TLDR; it's strong in its own way
vestal anchor
If it was stab on its spec I’d love it
obsidian venture
I’m sure you would
hard axle
and doesn't need an additional buff basically
vestal anchor
But man, forced slash spec is so silly
hard axle
it's a better dds afaik
hasty shard
stab on its spec would be cool if toa didnt exist
hard axle
I don't get it 
hasty shard
cause i feel like its just an auto pick toa spec if it works on stab
vestal anchor
Tbf as it is I have like zero use cases for it
hard axle
Vard if baby iron
vestal anchor
Wouldn’t you just be better off actually getting bclaws at that point. Instead of settling. Cause you’ll be at vard for a while
hard axle
Options basically
Burning is not always available and if u want to send for ultor before getting it, Arkan instead of DDS
vestal anchor
Idk it just feels like it doesn’t shine at all really
I guess arkhan is cheap for mains if they really CBA buying bclaws but also for some fuck reason wanna do Vard?
hard axle
With how cheap Burning Claws are, you would have to be giga broke to not buy it tbh
vestal anchor
Yeah that’s what I’m saying
vestal anchor
Like people are saying don’t buff Arkan. But also I can’t see any place to really use it
vestal anchor
It's more than likely iron-focused
I’m an iron and I can’t see shit to use it for
vestal anchor
Why not just bclaws?
round lintel
Sent 2 specs per kill and get most of the value I would from d claws
round lintel
Why not just bclaws?
I dont have them on my iron
I have d claws
Besides burning claws are less accurate than arkan
And is not guarantee burn on hit
round lintel
Yes, but accuracy on Vard is a big factor as its very tanky and burning claws arent that accurate
hard axle
I literally just told you
If you don't have bclaws, instead of dds, u use arkan
you buff Arkan more and it'll be "where do i use bclaws"
when bclaws already creep quite a lot of dclaw places
vestal anchor
Bclaws have the weird triple advantage reroll so aren’t they HELLA accurate?
round lintel
tbh as an iron player right now I cant complaint about a free good spec weapon
vestal anchor
I have it and I still prefer dds a lot of the time
hard axle
vestal anchor
Tbh mostly just for ToA
round lintel
I mean whatever makes you happy, thats how we play the game
dreamy sail
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
round lintel
it doesnt take away the fact that Arkan is a free nice spec weapon
vestal anchor
But also tbf I don’t even really use specs cause it’s so awkward. Feels not worth the effort
vestal anchor
It is a decent spec weapon. But I wish it had more stab acc or stab spec
chrome lantern
Why not just bclaws?
Bclaws are significantly harder to get and that alone makes the blade pretty relevant
Like my iron is at 1500 kc no claws yet
vestal anchor
That’s an oof
hard axle
Doom hitting 2 hits on same tick
if u melee punish 1-3 ticks of the melee punish starting, or melee punish too early, u can get same ticked
they need to add a static cooldown after the melee punsih to prevent this
dreamy sail
if u melee punish 1-3 ticks of the melee punish starting, or melee punish too ea...
just ranging lol
dreamy sail
no I use the special tech
hasty shard
the special tech 
hard axle
how are u disrupting the charge attack then
dreamy sail
I use mellee just messing with you 😂
But stupid things can be same tick
just tanking 51s and die'ing lol
hasty shard
im pretty sure there IS tech to tank charge and not make the boss full heal but i cant remember
i think if its a tick eat it wont heal idfk
frail bough
thought it was just as long as its not the melee punish it doesnt heal
hard axle
thought it was just as long as its not the melee punish it doesnt heal
tldr shouldn't happen either way 
round lintel
Just as rare as getting a snapdragon seed
frail bough
its weird because it lacks logic
you're charging up to unleash a blast attack and somehow that heals you? idk
tacit wharf
Can we add Huesca seeds from seed packs?
i kinda like how they arent in seed packs, also hope this goes the same with the new sailing seeds
chrome lantern
You should try getting more drops
chrome lantern
Yeah idk why the ss is so low res though
You got more aldarium though so you win tbh
round lintel
I rather get Huesca seeds
tacit wharf
and each signet was an aldarium
round lintel
is guaranteed
round lintel
Looks like I was the unlucky one
chrome lantern
You get way more Huasca than Aldarium. I'd much rather have the Aldarium
Aldarium has 1 other source but Huasca comes from Amox and Huey
plush gull
agreed add more aldarium and let juveniles drop antler guard
tacit wharf
moxi drops huesa seeds?
chrome lantern
moxi drops huesa seeds?
1/50 since the sweep up yeah
vestal anchor
Yeah it’s like they added a multi enemy that drops regen seeds
tacit wharf
ahh since sweep up, makes sense then
small anvil
and the aldariums too
round lintel
tbh if it werent due to bots, aldariums still be at 100k+
the amount of mixology bots is absurd
small anvil
the stalkers pushed the price even lower i think
vestal anchor
Why are there even mixology bits
tacit wharf
btw same times wed and today, roughly 40k player count difference
small anvil
profitable
tacit wharf
so roughly 40k bots
small anvil
thats not at all a conclusion you can draw
vestal anchor
so roughly 40k bots
Yeah not a good conclusion
small anvil
crab means a lot more people are staying logged in, on top of actual player growth from the wow influx
tacit wharf
i mean, we see this every update, this isnt something new just from crab
there's a pretty good correlation
tacit wharf
?
plush gull
the lower player counts might be because of the crab nerf, now i get no gems and get spammed by random usernames whenever it dies
i am no longer visiting the crab myself
vestal anchor
It was like, 18 gems an hour who cares?
plush gull
great for early irons, gives literally every gem for every bracelets of slaughter,recoils,also gives dragonstones
minor whale
🙄
pastel skiff
Ye 18 gems an hour is ironically account changing
minor whale
If you stick around long enough you'll pick up the vibe Ren puts down
(Needlessly saying completely asinine things to make people annoyed)
glass karma
Although there was general support for our approach to Cannon XP in the survey, many players still feel engaging in Combat should award Combat XP instead of Sailing XP. Firing Cannons on your ship will now award Sailing and Ranged XP. However, we'll give players the option to use a Crewmate to fire a Cannon, which will only award Sailing XP. Crewmates firing Cannons won't scale with your Ranged level. This is consistent with how we plan for crewmates to work across Sailing as a whole.
Seems inconsistent right? That's like me getting ranged xp for using a bow but getting 0 xp for placing a dwarf cannon and still being able to pick everything up etc.
Effectively skillers are gonna be able to just cannon everything.
small anvil
oh they changed track on that, yay
tacit wharf
if they keep npc dmg with cannon, close to that of the beta, then its going to take a lot of cannon balls and time to get what u could with yrself firing with a cannon
small anvil
(i bet there's a quest that requires cannon in some way and thats why they wanted to let skillers do it)
and they don't want to change the quest
tacit wharf
they said in the q&a, that if it becomes a problem, they are open to blacklisting monsters that are on land, thought they dont see it to be a problem, as not many are
ember token
this is a good compromise because they're obviously set on giving lvl 3 skillers a way to use ship cannons
small anvil
my initial reaction, and opinion hasnt changed, was that skillers laying waste to large swathes of monsters sounds bad
tacit wharf
agreed
small anvil
and entirely antithetical to what restricted accounts have been so far
if its limited in that the npc sucks but eventually gets the job done
guess it is what it is
but yeah, i really think there's a pivotal quest
that involves cannon
ember token
my opinion is that there's nothing on a shore i would consider gamebreaking for a lvl 3 to be able to kill with a cannon
small anvil
that they dont want to lose out on
ember token
they can kill and get kill credit for lots of things already via existing methods
small anvil
yeah but like theres a huge difference between the difficulty in poison dynamite killing
tacit wharf
i see this as getting xp lamps to train slayer, though not as slow
ember token
now for at sea combat that's a bit of a different story but we don't really know how much it, we were able to slowly kill sharks with a low level cannon in the beta and that's it
tacit wharf
ya i dont think they put any accuracy on the cannons during beta
small anvil
killing sea monsters i'm less opposed to than the idea they proposed about making it slayer
but still would rather skillers just had to avoid/tank
instead of blasting through
and just give them a special cannonball that gives no range xp if it's that important
ember token
while safe on your ship
true but being restricted to monsters that can be lured to the shore makes it more reasonable to me
small anvil
you can go up rivers rn right
ionic tartan
You can't change tasks without slayer points... And you can't select a task
ionic tartan
Which is why the slayer meta for skillers is wildy alts with up to 30k+ xp/hr
ember token
you can go up rivers rn right
with the smallest boat you could go up the river lum a bit, not sure if you can actually build a cannon on a raft though
ionic tartan
That'd be a low-info skiller if they're going to do regular slayer tasks with poison dynamite
tacit wharf
is there a crab slayer task lol
but like i said, they are open to blacklisting monsters, so cannons cant hit
ionic tartan
I think people saw you could shoot dark wizard from your ship and liked it.
Then Jagex saw the consequence was pretty low ("no notable mobs"), so they kept seashore ship interaction.
small anvil
it was absolutely a conscious decision to say "no range xp"
ionic tartan
Which I think then ofc led to the range xp vs sailing xp debate.
chrome lantern
If you stick around long enough you'll pick up the vibe Ren puts down
(Needlessl...
I got muted for saying that today
ionic tartan
Ship cannons were not supposed to hit anything except sea creatures (hence Sailing-only).
tacit wharf
go up the salve river, go down on the right side of gnome area, river south of prif, a little ways around silo, river by lumby swamp (to shortcut), river varia new rainforest in varl, river ortus to quet gorge north of varl, north side of port pisc
seems to be all the rivers u can go up from just looking at the map
chrome lantern
You could only go up the River Lum on a Raft, and couldn’t get past the grapple shortcut to Al Kharid
tacit wharf
ya forgot the name of the river there (and didnt move te map higher)
chrome lantern
Safe to say unless they fundamentally rework that the Raft will not have any facilities other than a cargo hold
tacit wharf
Punish everyone but the bait
blame everyone but the one waving their wallet around
tacit wharf
ya i think u could instead of storage
was at a weird spot at lvl 10
cuz you'd just go bigger boat then
didnt mess with raft since alpha
minor whale
I got muted for saying that today
no way
cold brook
can we still vote no to sailing?
tacit wharf
can we still vote no to sailing?
only if u can go back in time
tawny tide
can we still vote no to sailing?
No
chrome lantern
I voted “None of these,” knowing unfortunately that my vote would be meaningless
I’m not wholly opposed to adding a skill but I was definitely opposed to adding those skills
round lintel
I mean I rather have them expanding the map, content, etc than training a whole new skill
specially learning the new skill, maybe the skill is slow as RC or Agility are
which would make it worst
nocturne solstice
i voted for taming 
round lintel
and this skill looks like is going to gate certain areas from you depending on your lvl so
nocturne solstice
is that not normal? we already have places gated from you depending on your level
chrome lantern
There’s a 0% chance they add below 100k/hr with a new skill, even if it wouldn’t be a problem to do so
round lintel
is that not normal? we already have places gated from you depending on your leve...
Maybe rooftop agility but you are not gated on places from lvls except for guilds or quests and reqs are semi low not like lvl 80 for an entire island
nocturne solstice
Maybe rooftop agility but you are not gated on places from lvls except for guild...
Well you cant just say you're not gated except for these places where you are gated. That's just an odd thing to say.
Why do you feel like priff being gated behind a quest requiring 70 stats isn't just the player being gated behind 70 stats?
Also gated from secret capybara hangout
bronze kernel
To be fair, Agility has other benefits beyond that
plush gull
so this weeks updates says it finished adding ele weakness to tzhaar but inferno mobs still dont have water weakness? only fight caves and 6 jads
bronze kernel
Sure, there are some agility exclusive areas
plush gull
what new tzhaar weaknesses did they even add
bronze kernel
But that's not the end all for it
Agility also provides access to shortcuts to speed up trips and long journeys
And then run energy thing
Sailing feels like Dungeoneering unlocks
nocturne solstice
It didnt feel like dungeoneering unlocks during the alpha and beta tests for me 🤔
bronze kernel
Sailing will be terrible if you had to go through the sailing process each time you want to go to the spot
nocturne solstice
Probably why they added a buncha teleports
tacit wharf
Sailing feels like Dungeoneering unlocks
what do u mean by this?
chrome lantern
I do think balancing sailing transport will be… interesting
Because they have said certain places will have teles to get to places but a lot of them seem to assume the tele focus facility
tacit wharf
i dont remember any unlocks outside of dungeoneering that dungeoneering gave
icy relic
resource dungeons were spots around the map you unlocked from dg
including the infamous frost dragon dungeon
bronze kernel
what do u mean by this?
I meant like the concept of areas hard locked behind the skill.
chrome lantern
Which then means you have to move your boat island to island if you want to go somewhere else
icy relic
but there were also skilling spots linked to a lot of them that didn't see much use because it was hard getting there
some were nice though like the resource dungeon in the mining guild that had a deposit box
nocturne solstice
I meant like the concept of areas hard locked behind the skill.
I dont feel like thats dungeoneering or sailing...
bronze kernel
Just let us put magic powered engines on our boats
icy relic
I have no problem with certain resources that you have to sail out to
but presumably you would be able to use your ship as storage
so banking isn't completely ass
ionic tartan
If you're doing a long grind on an island, you can just dock there and use tele to boat.
nocturne solstice
Yeah the ship did have that upgradeable storage during the tests
bronze kernel
I'm still on the camp of everything they want to add with Sailing should have been just expansions without the need for the skill
tacit wharf
ya they've said we are getting a tele to boat spell, so u can sail to an island, tele to bank then back to yr boat
bronze kernel
Especially if XP rates are going to be capped at like 100K/hr at high levels and efficiency
nocturne solstice
Why would you think the xp rates are capped at 100k/hr at high levels and efficiency
ionic tartan
Where did they say 100k cap?
nocturne solstice
I feel like they said multiple times that wasnt the case 🤔
id have to double check though
bronze kernel
Where did they say 100k cap?
Think that was from one of the very early Q and A streams. Husky mentioned he estimated XP rates to cap out at around that at higher levels
tacit wharf
yes and they were just giving a ball park at the time
ember token
the only time they ever gave out numbers, they proceeded to immediately backtrack on them
chrome lantern
I would honestly be shocked if it were as low as 100k/hr tbh
This game is too entitled nowadays
tacit wharf
id be pissed if they were much higher
chrome lantern
I mean I don’t think it should be higher, but I do think it will be
ember token
Especially if XP rates are going to be capped at like 100K/hr at high levels and...
you could get 60k xp an hour in the sailing alpha with methods capped at lvl 30 btw
ionic tartan
Think that was from one of the very early Q and A streams. Husky mentioned he es...
Got a link to that? Pretty sure it was another dev who guesstimated.
tacit wharf
way to many people have to have the instant gratification
ember token
Got a link to that? Pretty sure it was another dev who guesstimated.
yeah think it was Elena, not Husky
ember token
regardless it was clarified they were just throwing out numbers, not saying that those were what the final xp rates are gonna be
i doubt they've finalized XP rates yet and they certainly weren't finalized months ago
tacit wharf
like i said in #sailing-chat , its going to be one of the last things on their list to do, since its just change numbers basically
ionic tartan
@bronze kernel this is what I can find on xp rates: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Sailing_Beta_-_Available_Now_On_Desktop_or_Mobile#Max_Cape.
Although we can't give you a solid XP/hr estimate, we want to assure you that this skill won’t feel slow to train. That's why we've put so much effort into providing different training methods, and we hope you'll be able to evaluate them better against each other during the beta. We're always going to be open to changing XP based on feedback and once we're later into development we will be able to balance it accordingly.
ember token
ultimately people are gonna complain about the xp rates regardless of what they are
nocturne solstice
why no 3m/hr bwans for sailing
tacit wharf
have learned, people love to complain
ionic tartan
If there's a place for bets, I would bet >120k/hr for ehp rates.
ember token
im guessing it'll cap out at ~150k
hard axle
im guessing it'll cap out at ~150k
~200k because the venn diagram of people who really want a new skill and people complain about agility rates is almost a circle
it also lets you have more room for max eff shit + afk shit
cloud delta
Why does the shield phase seem worse now than better????
I'm getting screwed on moka now after the update like never before
The eye doesn't one tick larva, my guy stands there instead of attacking when trying to hit the shield to reset his bar
I click on a pillar and it clicks the larva a tile away instead
pearl tangle
Dragon arrows or amethyst p++ on mohka?
I’ve got a ton of ame’s that I’ve pked
chrome lantern
Why not dragon p++
pearl tangle
lol I ain’t got that kinda money
chrome lantern
It's not that expensive when you consider you save 80% of shots
pearl tangle
Did they fix the grub eating arrow thing?
chrome lantern
A long time ago
pearl tangle
O nice
hasty shard
you can also use dragon p+ if their value hasnt gone up yet
hasty shard
yeah its like 3 maxes alone
tough nacelle
it also lets you have more room for max eff shit + afk shit
I mean doesnt everyone think agility rates are kinda doodoo
tacit wharf
skill issue
tough nacelle
I think the main thing with agility is whats the point of leveling i
it*
the new agi changes + shortcuts help a lot
but I think it could use some at 95
perhaps soul rune shortcuts
chrome lantern
I mean doesnt everyone think agility rates are kinda doodoo
I think they're lower than a lot of other skills but that's not an issue
tacit wharf
whats the point of rc, when u can just buy the runes?
tough nacelle
RC isnt quite the same
chrome lantern
Jagex has systematically removed any reason to do RC from the game for 95% of players
chrome lantern
Nah
tacit wharf
why smith, just buy the item
chrome lantern
RC is useless on irons until zeah rc and even then it's worse than just getting money
You just get some runes on the way to maxing
sacred cove
I buy runes
chrome lantern
Then you make like 5k wraths with scar and never touch it again
sacred cove
Rc sucks
tough nacelle
I dont think RC is THAT bad
at least anymore
RC is good for astrals, and cosmics
- low levels
tough nacelle
GoTR was tbh the best thing
tacit wharf
gotr put rc in a great place
chrome lantern
Because now you have to lock yourself to GotR for a long time to get outfit and needle
chrome lantern
Which are "mandatory" for other methods
tough nacelle
the outfit is kinda cracked though
to get 78 on average
for the outfit
is a bit much
tacit wharf
i did most of my 99 rc grind at gotr
chrome lantern
A TON of people would rather do literally any other RC method than camp there for needle and outfit
But you just get locked there until like 80+
I think that the things that are enjoyable in GotR are all done better by just doing other methods
Like combo runes
tough nacelle
I think agi needs more purpose / more interaction or buff tf outta hallowed rates
chrome lantern
And there's a lot of things that make it not that enjoyable
sacred cove
I agree that outfit and needle take way to long, but outside of that I think gotr is good
tough nacelle
rooftops are pree much the same xp
chrome lantern
Not really
tough nacelle
I just think for the effort
hasty shard
u dont feel an xp diff until 92 tbh
hasty shard
id really want a new course for 80-90 that isnt brain off
tough nacelle
no chance at unique, and the xp dif isnt much
kind sail
even at 82 its better xp than any rooftop lol
tough nacelle
marginally
hasty shard
aka unnerf brimhaven
sacred cove
At 82 sep is alright, but it's much less painful to do a rooftop course and watch Netflix for slightly less xp
tough nacelle
At 82 sep is alright, but it's much less painful to do a rooftop course and watc...
this is my point
the xp should be much better
considering the effort
sacred cove
I agree
tough nacelle
but its like Oh
heres a little more xp
and you only get it if you're getting it perfectly
if you fuck it up
you get worse xp
chrome lantern
That IS a lot
tough nacelle
any mistake you make = same or worse xp
chrome lantern
Less painful than ripping my eyes out at rooftops
tough nacelle
its like if 3 tick fishing = you just lose 10 min of xp
if you mess up 3 tick fishing ( which is much easier) you still get more xp
than if you were just afk fishing
kind sail
there is so much wrong with what youre saying
tough nacelle
there is so much wrong with what youre saying
such as?
chrome lantern
Consistently getting higher sepulcher rates than other agility methods
Is beyond easy
tough nacelle
thats just not true for the majority of players
sacred cove
I'm surprised a cat knows English this well tbh
chrome lantern
You have to like be doing it for the first time or literally intentionally run into all the traps to do worse
sacred cove
Good Kitty
chrome lantern
There's a learning curve
But Sepulcher is literally where you get good if you're not already
And that's good
kind sail
the 3t analogy makes zero sense, saying sep is only marginally more xp, saying the xp isnt much better when it is
tough nacelle
3t is SIGNIFICANTLY more xp
like
over double in a lot of settings
for less effort
than hallowed
kind sail
correct, but the way you worded it was wonky
tough nacelle
and any mistake you make
chrome lantern
Sepulcher before floor 5 isn't even hard
tough nacelle
isnt nearly as punishing as hallowed
craggy radish
3t agility?
chrome lantern
After you spend like 5 hours in sepulcher you're easily good enough to be notably above rooftops
kind sail
if you unlock the instanced version its literally the same clicks every time
craggy radish
Ofc 3t barb fishing. Mb
craggy radish
Was kek
tough nacelle
my thought is for sailing we gotta do aspects of 3t + sepulcher
chrome lantern
But even on floor 3 I was doing better than rooftops by a lot
kind sail
that I can agree with
tough nacelle
we need to reward engagement and sepulcher doesnt reward it well enough imo
kind sail
theres gotta be a 175-200k xp method
way they're talking it looks like its going to be another agility
chrome lantern
Is 30% more xp/hr and loot not significant enough lmao
tough nacelle
way they're talking it looks like its going to be another agility
I think if its okay if its something like slayer
chrome lantern
I will grant that ring of endurance is a lot worse than it was
kind sail
nah slayer is the slowest 99 in the game
chrome lantern
But it's still significantly better in every way that alternatives
kind sail
pass
tough nacelle
nah slayer is the slowest 99 in the game
but do you really notice it past 92
kind sail
yes
chrome lantern
Yes
tough nacelle
when you start doing boss tasks
kind sail
incredibly
chrome lantern
Very much yes
tough nacelle
I didnt tbh
kind sail
because its the slowest skill
tough nacelle
because it was almost like multi skilling
but instead of skilling it was getting upgrades
chrome lantern
Slayer is complete and utter garbage as a skill and hunter rumors (as a method of training Hunter, not the whole skill) show why it's so bad
kind sail
thats incredibly subjective tho
slayer is the slowest 99 for every single player in the game
thats a fact
tough nacelle
yeah its horrible early on
small anvil
I don't really see why rumors is better than slayer
tough nacelle
but the unlocks are good
kind sail
I don't really see why rumors is better than slayer
bc rumors are 280k xp an hour at max eff
chrome lantern
Slayer is a slow skill where you get 90% of tasks that are utter garbage and not worth doing, followed by gatekeeping all the things you want to do behind hunting tasks
small anvil
Is it cuz many options at once?
chrome lantern
I don't really see why rumors is better than slayer
It's not, it's just not the only way to train hunter
craggy radish
You don't need to be on a rumour to train huntrr
tough nacelle
hunter rumours are fun, but its just a band-aid
small anvil
Ah
craggy radish
If slayer mobs have some passive slayer xp, then it'd be more alike
chrome lantern
Hunter rumors give me something to point at and say why slayer sucks
tough nacelle
the skill has 0 utility. The new moths help a lot
small anvil
Yeah an alternative method for slayer could be nice, though arguably there exists afk, active, money focused slayer block/do lists
craggy radish
But it's an on task only skill
tough nacelle
but they require a high level
I think slayer needs more meaningful unlocks at lower levels
kind sail
i say slayer is the slowest skill but i genuinely dont have any issues with it tbh
small anvil
The XP rate I think is separate from the effectiveness of the design of a skill
kind sail
you can do slayer however you want
chrome lantern
Slayer be like, ok you just got 95 slayer, now you go do the worst slayer master ever invented to maybe kill the thing you want to kill
tough nacelle
if sailing xp is low
chrome lantern
Because for some reason the highest level slayer master doesn't assign Hydras
small anvil
I think slayer wants slayer masters focused on a different style
tough nacelle
it needs to have a good amount of unlocks that justify that throughout the levels
chrome lantern
And task hunting sucks no matter what master you use
small anvil
And task lists to match that
small anvil
So a slayer focused on Aoe/xp
tough nacelle
new block lists are nice a bit
chrome lantern
I wouldn't say zero issues
small anvil
One focused on afk slaying
chrome lantern
Just one less egregious one
tough nacelle
task only mobs are a PITA
small anvil
And maybe with different lvls to downgrade tasks available
chrome lantern
The primary issue with slayer remains that 95% of tasks are utter garbage and not even worth looking at
Which is why Turael skipping is efficient
But that's not a desirable gameplay loop either
winged mantle
I would welcome 10 more block slots
tough nacelle
Which is why Turael skipping is efficient
but yeah this is what im saying with sailing
kind sail
id rather turael skip then do whatever method jagex would want us to do if they were to "fix" it
tough nacelle
slayer isnt bad once you get some new monsters that are worth your time
sailing needs to be like that, but from the start
small anvil
I think better curated masters and lists with less overlap and less bad tasks
chrome lantern
I mean one easy step is just getting rid of garbage tasks where they don't make sense
small anvil
Would do a lot
winged mantle
Slayer is fun if you get the task you want to do
tough nacelle
so it wont feel like you're training it
small anvil
One mans garbage is another mans task they look for
tough nacelle
it feels like oh im doing this cool content
and passivly gaining levels
for doing this content
chrome lantern
Greater demons? No slayer requirement; make it an optional toggle like lizardmen. Trolls? Why tf are they on the table. Kalphites? Get rid of those and make it optional toggle.
small anvil
Which is why I think sorting by slayer master would help
tough nacelle
and not oh im chopping this tree to chop a better tree
chrome lantern
Fire giants? Wow, if only I had a solution for that
winged mantle
Greater demons? No slayer requirement; make it an optional toggle like lizardmen...
Elves
chrome lantern
Yeah the list goes on and on
winged mantle
Yup
true talon
First sparkly light an its a pet 🙁
chrome lantern
Fully 15 of the tasks assigned by Duradel have no slayer requirement, excluding the ones you manually have to enable
tough nacelle
but the unlocks are great
tacit wharf
delete turael skipping, slayer instantly better
chrome lantern
Trolls is higher XP/hr cuz cannon
Sure then let it be an optional toggle.
And I don't even mean unlock, I mean free toggle like "I Wildy More Slayer"
small anvil
I think unlocks for everything is the way
I think better curated lists
And maybe fewer blocks as a consequence
tough nacelle
not sure if its because hydra is boring af
small anvil
Would be good
tough nacelle
or because its locked behind a shit master
chrome lantern
Both
small anvil
With like additional task masters
tough nacelle
that its still has valuable drops
chrome lantern
My average hydra task on the way to lance took me 4-6 months
small anvil
Like one that's focused on slayer bosses
tough nacelle
but just because a skill has issues, doesnt mean there arent good things about it
tough nacelle
slayer wouldnt pass as a skill td
tough nacelle
I don't really see any redeeming features about Slayer
I think it adds excitment to a slow grind
small anvil
I think you might be a tad biased
tough nacelle
that unlocks potent weapons
chrome lantern
At its tamest, it gatekeeps things you want to already kill behind "It would be dumb to kill that off-task"
It locks things to specific masters and task-only
tough nacelle
with occult nerf + trident being skippable
chrome lantern
95% of tasks are just complete and utter garbage
tough nacelle
I think it does that less and less
chrome lantern
No what I mean by that is
tough nacelle
but rancour + noxius are great
winged mantle
99 slayer you should get to choose your task 2x per day as a cape perk imo 🤷🏼♀️
tough nacelle
as is DHL
chrome lantern
If I want to get a synapse
Killing TDs off-task is idiocy
Because you get the task so often
So even if I want to go kill TDs
If I don't have a task, that sucks for me
tough nacelle
So even if I want to go kill TDs
but I think this is partly the beauty of it
chrome lantern
And if I do have a task
tough nacelle
its multi skilling
chrome lantern
Oh boy, now I'm tethered to doing 200 of them, a mind-numblingly slow and boring task
tough nacelle
if sailing did that with other skills
chrome lantern
It's not multiskilling, it's just bad
tough nacelle
I think itll be okay to be slow
like if by training fishing with a cool method
the sailing xp also goes up albeit slowl
chrome lantern
Multiskilling is alching or fletching during agility
chrome lantern
Slayer is just tethering people to kill things they probably don't want to kill, when they don't want to kill them
And locking things you actually want to do behind tasks hidden behind 95% garbage
tough nacelle
im not saying slayer is a perfect skill
but it has aspects to it that make it good / satisfying
whereas agi has none atm
and RC beyond its iron uses
has GoTR
chrome lantern
The closest you get to satisfying is "Because this skill exists, me getting slayer helm boost and xp while killing this thing I already wanted to kill is not a complete waste when it comes to efficiency"
You could still fully have slayer without the skill existing at all
And people would still do it
As a skill itself, it's pretty garbage, without adding better ways to interact with and train it
Hunter rumors aren't the whole hunter skill
Slayer rumors shouldn't be the whole slayer skill
tough nacelle
agree
sacred cove
Oh boy, now I'm tethered to doing 200 of them, a mind-numblingly slow and boring...
Demonic gorillas?
tough nacelle
but that doesnt take away the parts of it that are fun
tough nacelle
I like TDs, hate gorillas tbh
tacit wharf
all to worried about efficiency to make slayer enjoyable to any degree
chrome lantern
but that doesnt take away the parts of it that are fun
It takes away literally all of it because I'm not "forced" to do it because not doing it is literally trolling my self
sacred cove
I like TDs, hate gorillas tbh
Yessssss
chrome lantern
TDs are just slower gorillas with more hp that drag on incredibly long and bad
tough nacelle
there are some different ways to tackle it
chrome lantern
Why tf would I do that
tough nacelle
I did it to 92 then bossed to 99
chrome lantern
This is the 95% of garbage that I was referring to
small anvil
@chrome lantern i think you do really should try to acknowledge that slayer is perhaps the most commonly said favorite skill
chrome lantern
My divine ran out as I started gigachatting so I paused on the floor
small anvil
I hear your complaints about it and its certainly a strong feeling
tough nacelle
so long as sailing has quite a few enjoyable unlocks that make it worth progressing through
I think its okay that itll be slow
small anvil
but i think hating slayer bosses is kinda... thats the raison d'être for slayer as a skill almost
chrome lantern
I would argue that people like doing the things they're doing on task, not the actual skill itself, but the training this skill is mandatory to not troll yourself on efficiency so they tie that feeling to it
tough nacelle
otherwise it really needs a solid xp option
small anvil
some people like the direction of tasks enforcing variety
chrome lantern
The common reasons I see for slayer=good are "it gives me direction" and things they could already do without being on task
Which again
tough nacelle
I would argue that people like doing the things they're doing *on task*, not the...
I think its like unlockng super restores
small anvil
either proposing alternative ways to train the skill
chrome lantern
People have
chrome lantern
It does but it also doesn't because like
small anvil
I personally think a set of like 5 or 6 dedicated slayer masters, not turael skippable, with curated task lists themed to each master
would be a good thing
chrome lantern
We already have off-task access to TDs and Gorillas
But again
You're trolling if you do it off-task
small anvil
thats efficiency brain arguing with enjoyment brain
chrome lantern
Because you're going to roll 12378126378612 tasks
If nothing else
Solely because the imbued heart exists too
As a significant problem from ironman perspective
If I hate Slayer
I'm going to do it for as little time as possible
That directly means efficiency
small anvil
an aoe themed master (mass extermination)
a superior themed master
a slayer boss themed master
a afk melee task themed master (stick the demons here)
unable to be turael skipped
chrome lantern
Ok for real this time
chrome lantern
Ok I chatted way too long I made so many mistakes worst floor 5 of my life lmao
Embarrassing really
last onyx
Could we please have feedback regards to this?
- Car phase bug is back, you can place the 1st rock on the old middle tile and he won't smash any rocks for his first smash giving you 1x free smash & dash
- Ancient godsword will heal you during shield phase even though it hits 0, clearly a bug since you shouldent be able to damage Delve's HP during a shield phase no
- Orb can be spawned after Delve dies, giving players a free orb to clear the room....
- Blood fury works during shield phase
Is this intentional? It makes Delve SO much easier, devaluing the dropped items and intensity of the fight beyond any understanding.
wide river
Anyone know what time the sailing cape poll will be released?
sterile breach
Could we please have feedback regards to this?
1. Car phase bug is back, you can...
thx for the shoutout, looking forward to free hp
would be nice if the SGS was bugged too so I could heal with it for the double whammy
last onyx
would be nice if the SGS was bugged too so I could heal with it for the double w...
You may, during the car phase!
100% accuracy
sterile breach
ill be chasing him forever 😄
was hoping for one of those max hit mechanics though like on toa skulls/ kephri eggs 😉
round lintel
Then yall say regular loot is fine
This guy Widega on 63 levels xddd
that on real GE value is not even 5m
tiny epoch
icy relic
honestly pretty good if we're assuming like 1 minute a floor
not many things pull 5m/hr no uniques
round lintel
That run was 2 hours and 22 mins
And he goes straight down
Thats 2.5M ish an hr no uniques
Assuming he had idle times in between
Which I didnt watch the entire vod
shadow viper
Functionally no different from 400s at TOA. 2m/hr unless you pull shadow. Not every boss needs to be Zulrah. Having some bosses be consistent money and some being lottos is fun.
round lintel
You understand zulrah at max efficiency with uniques is not even 3m an hr? Idk why people keep saying Zulrah like if its the boss with the best regular loot xd
plush gull
what even gives money without being on reliant uniques? sunfire splinters are sub 130 gp
minor whale
What
last onyx
Could we please have feedback regards to this?
1. Car phase bug is back, you can...
@minor whale this
minor whale
None of those are unintended bugs, they literally added them in on purpose
1.) This works for the first rock of a cycle, and then no more.
2.) Ancient Godsword works like this everywhere, 100% accuracy but nullified damage still lets the special attack work.
3.) This was added to let you clear acid without punishing you for killing the boss too quickly that the phase never occurred. Unless you think it'd be more skillful somehow to intentionally slow your kill down to let this phase happen lmao
4.) Yes because the game registers healing before taking reductions into account. This is how it works everywhere with damage reductions with melee.
sacred crystal
I feel like they need to add at least 40 bank slots to the sailing update otherwise it’s going to be impossible to store all the resources and rewards
last onyx
None of those are unintended bugs, they literally added them in on purpose
1.) ...
Thanks! 🙏🏼
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That’s really unfortunate, thought they removed that bug completely.
-
Seems a bit odd that the ancient godsword’s special attack called ‘’blood sacrifice’’ and is based on health and must deal hitpoints as damage to have affect works on a shield.
-
This is just dumb tho, could use a rework 100%.
-
similar to ToA where the bllld fury doesn’t work when attacking the core or skulls. Is it not supposed to steal health? How exactly does it steal ‘’shield’’ and turns it into ‘’health’’?
Delve has become a joke with these changes, the challenge is completely gone.
Don’t even need to use supplies anymore, it’s a joke.
quartz anchor
30 more worlds. That puts the total up to 70 new worlds in the past month yeah?
final frigate
update hm
dry pond
Offering 3:1 odds on a 2 hour downtime
toxic trench
More german servers? -_- Still praying for Amsterdam worlds like back in the day.
sullen parrot
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/693170141071933471 - No downtime expected.
indigo tinsel
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/693170141071933471 - No downtime...
Nooo my gaem
indigo tinsel
Otherwise prospector Percy gonna beat me with jumper cables again
How old is this reference now, jesus?
stark hornet
Is there a rollback?
dry pond
Has to be like 10 years right?
stark hornet
Clannie said there was
shadow wave
How old is this reference now, jesus?
Older as he was when his dad started beating him with jumper cables
dry pond
Havent seen rogersimon in a very long time now 🙁
indigo tinsel
GD
stark hornet
Anyone know if there is a rollback happening??
shadow wave
Anyone know if there is a rollback happening??
No, they're tuning on new worlds #game-news
frosty reef
Updates on friday seems like a bad idea still 😛
sullen parrot
Nooo my gaem
It's ok, you'll be fine.
worthy orchid
not sure how we'll ever recover, if we do.
sullen parrot
not sure how we'll ever recover, if we do.
We're here for you.
fair ice
Are any of these new worlds themed with minigame/event focus or all just clean worlds?
sullen parrot
Are any of these new worlds themed with minigame/event focus or all just clean w...
Probs find out in 5 mins!
fair ice
🙁
finite tree
Is just adding some new worlds this update?
ornate tangle
Anyone else struggling to log in? people are streaming on twitch still
torpid vine
Anyone else struggling to log in? people are streaming on twitch still
its down still
torpid vine
No downtime 
tranquil fern
it's back
worn tapir
🍉
subtle beacon
update adding new worlds but I can't see no new worlds
naive osprey
UK Worlds 619-623 don't seem to be showing
fleet stag
has it been taken down again? can't connect to UK or US worlds
dry pond
UK worlds defo not working lol
ripe solar
incoming "we found an issue"
sullen parrot
has it been taken down again? can't connect to UK or US worlds
Is it not working? Mine is
subtle beacon
german worlds working
dry pond
W521 is down
clear dome
the uk 500 worlds aren't
kindred owl
Ah yes the daily discord meltdown 
pine haven
we getting asian servers?
dry pond
Yeah W5** UK all down lol
modern dust
Mobile app doesn’t even load
fleet stag
kicked out of w350
dry pond
UK 36* worlds all down too
last onyx
My app wont even load
ripe solar
US worlds seem to be ok for me, I am in europe so not optimal
clear dome
US worlds seem to be ok for me, I am in europe so not optimal
i found some german worlds work
dry pond
UK worlds are broken, but german are up
naive osprey
359 is up
last onyx
My app wont load atall its saying check your connection
fleet stag
I cant see the new worlds
west valve
guys im literally crying and shaking, my default world won't load
dry pond
Nans going back in the cage
sullen parrot
Let us know which worlds are currently down 🙂
dry pond
Most UK worlds i tested were, a lot of the W360 and W500 series
west valve
510 is the one i've tried
proven sedge
Mobile also not loading at all
dry pond
So like 505-525
lean escarp
333 not working
urban surge
350 not working
amber talon
373 not working
last onyx
Let us know which worlds are currently down 🙂
My osrs mobile wont even load up
drifting ether
334 not working
subtle beacon
300-350 uk world
tight forum
When will the new poll go up?
sullen parrot
Jagex are aware of it 🙂
manic snow
551 up
sullen parrot
Can log into US worlds to get your fix for now, keep an eye on Mod Rach's post, hopefully fixed soon. Seems to be UK worlds.
hollow tulip
UK 513 working fine
west valve
510 is working now
sullen parrot
Don't want to jinx it but looks like some are back up.
safe elk
Is mod tides not on discord ?
strange crystal
anyone believe that mohka should have a dupe protection code implimented. certain players (my self included) are over 2k delves with only dupes.
winged mantle
anyone believe that mohka should have a dupe protection code implimented. certai...
not in this case
true talon
I’m 1512 delves with only pet 😦 it’s not a fun time.
strange crystal
yea i was 1678 delves before first drop. i feel your pain
true talon
The sparkly hole is good change
strange crystal
until you se that dupe wand opn your iron that already has shadow lol
toxic trench
-_- smh
unborn flame
Why no new Aus worlds 🙁
true talon
until you se that dupe wand opn your iron that already has shadow lol
Mine was pet which don’t do me any good on my iron 😦
But atleast once I get uniques it’s green log and I can never ever come back to this place again.
obsidian venture
Then yall say regular loot is fine
Honestly it is because the value is in the uniques. Tired of bosses with amazing loot as well of uniques. Put some effort into this piece of content to get a drop
true talon
Honestly it is because the value is in the uniques. Tired of bosses with amazing...
This is same logic you would use at nightmare which very few people like. The uniques are already crashing.
Base loot is what keeps content relevant and worth doing
I will always judge if I’m returning to content around its drop table as green logged content that drops nothing is not gonna be worth doing .
obsidian venture
Base loot is what keeps content relevant and worth doing
Yes but this is way more consistent than pnm. Which is 4-5 minutes for a single kc over a min or under
Fr delve
Early delves are less than a min each and you can hit d8 in 7-8 min in max. Uniques start at d2
Whereas pnm is 1 kill for a roll that’s 4-5 minutes each
true talon
Yea but delve might be 1-2 min a kill but it drops nothing of value to anyone. And it don’t scale so why is it so shit.
minor whale
Sounds like an ironman issue tbh
If you greenlog a boss and the only thing keeping you coming back is "does it drop supplies for me to use instead of gathering them via the skill itself"
obsidian venture
This is endgame content and it doesn’t need folks to farm this for solid base loot + the uniques. That’s how you crash content, especially good endgame content.
hard axle
Jagex themselves said they don’t want to keep making tables that shit out loot and they rebalanced accordingly
obsidian venture
Bring back the grind mindset in osrs fr
true talon
It don’t have to shit out loot
true talon
Bring back the grind mindset in osrs fr
Says the GE scaper lol
hard axle
I don’t mind some resources, but the fact mole pisses out 100 yew logs in a kill when you get at most 200 an hour = bad balance
obsidian venture
What does ge have to do with me grinding content? I still green log stuff
Don’t be a silly little iron with a bad coping mechanism
hard axle
Says the GE scaper lol
Bro, ur the one with the “GEscaper” mindset where everything must piss out shit or I won’t do it 
I don’t get it
Cloggers literally do more than irons nowadays lmao
obsidian venture
Yeah you’re more of a ge scaper mindset than me. If I was, id want this to shit out gp
true talon
Bro, ur the one with the “GEscaper” mindset where everything must piss out shit ...
Nope Im of the mindset of having fun.
minor whale
Bro literally says "Oh you don't grind for stuff" in the same breath asking for more stuff to drop from the boss in bigger quantities + add dragon arrowtips to every new content lmao
sand tartan
Dear God notifications are going off. I don't need to know every time they adjust the delve bosses peepee size
obsidian venture
Nope Im of the mindset of having fun.
Irrelevant as we all play for fun
Anything else low iq you need to get off your chest today?
minor whale
"I play this game for fun, which is why I want this boss to shit out loot on top of its extremely strong uniques, because I only have fun when I get busted loot"
sharp cave
really not a fan of how the new content added in just has sailing tacked on as a requirement
sharp cave
like how fun would it be if the new trees required 80 agility instead of sailing?
obsidian venture
What
ember token
not a fan how the sailing content requires sailing
obsidian venture
To access the island
sharp cave
unless i guess you cut them via a boat driveby?
obsidian venture
You walking on water
ember token
woodcutting logs... that you need to sail to access... that are used to upgrade your boat
sharp cave
ok so would the new trees be agility content if it had a levle 80 agility req
obsidian venture
I hate how skills gatekeep my progress!
sharp cave
if you say so
minor whale
Heh the new poll says "Arrr, thank ye for voting!"
obsidian venture
We need a rage bait tier list
hard axle
I hate how skills gatekeep my progress!
Are they still being penisy about auto-generated exploratory instances 
obsidian venture
Folks who mention ge scape or fun should be tarred and feathered
Like yeah man I love logging in to not have fun and to not do bosses
sharp cave
We need a rage bait tier list
we need a labeling concerns and dismissing them as rage bait tier list
hard axle
The one aspect I don’t like that they’re going for in sailing is that they’re insisting it remain overworld mostly.
let us do instance content so it’s like Pokémon mystery dungeon
minor whale
I personally only have fun when the thing I'm killing gives me 400 magic logs and 800 dragon arrows per kc
Everything else is BORING
obsidian venture
we need a labeling concerns and dismissing them as rage bait tier list
It’s the way skills work in the game. If you need to use said item, you might need to level it up to access it. The skill list is pretty self explanatory
But if you can’t read then yeah I get what you’re saying
sharp cave
It’s the way skills work in the game. If you need to use said item, you might ne...
yeah shame the whole skill is basically just a level gate for content in other skills?
obsidian venture
If you were an iron that wanted to train con via mahogany tables, you’d need to lvl up con and lvl up woodcutting
hard axle
yeah shame the whole skill is basically just a level gate for content in other s...
I don’t mind it because that’s what quests basically are
minor whale
Skills interlinked in my osrs? Say it ain't so
obsidian venture
Same thing for this. If you want to use the higher level item, you need to train 1 skill to unlock the ability, and the corresponding skill to implement it
sharp cave
I don’t mind it because that’s what quests basically are
yeah thats fair
hard axle
level gates and time sinks
rustic ocean
not combining C and D into the best cape is a bad move
sharp cave
but i dont have to spend 40 hours going back and fourth doing the same shit with a quest
obsidian venture
This is how skills sometimes work in the game
Sailing is unlocking a whole slew of content. Surely you can find 1 thing that you like engaging with
obsidian venture
Then you level it up and continue on in life
hard axle
We could
obsidian venture
We could if this was a few years ago
But this is coming out whether or not you want it
hard axle
That’s another complaint that people had about sailing at the start
minor whale
Having content locked behind other skills is entirely normal
sharp cave
im well aware of that
obsidian venture
So kinda pointless to mention now when it’s literally out in 2 months
sharp cave
i can still be unhappy about it
obsidian venture
You can yes
I didn’t vote for this either but I don’t care now
If it’s fun awesome
If it’s not well avg for osrs
Still playing
rustic ocean
gosh darn it I cant do redwood birdhouse runs because my crafting level isnt high enough
hard axle
we just add that content with a charter ship
And that’s why I think sailing should be more about Pokémon mystery dungeon instances, rather than unlocking new lands that you then 1-click to access/teleport to
obsidian venture
gosh darn it I cant do redwood birdhouse runs because my crafting level isnt hig...
Basically
minor whale
There's various skilling methods that are locked behind a minimum level in a different skill
hard axle
They know the sailing aspect is dog and people won’t want to do it repeatedly
minor whale
Sailing locking other stuff is just par for the course
ember token
but i dont have to spend 40 hours going back and fourth doing the same shit with...
you do have to do that to get the requirements for the quest by training your skills, because that's what skills are
minor whale
It's not locking you out of mining, or fishing, or woodcutting
sharp cave
im upset that shamanism lost, unfortunately i think sailing was a loaded option
minor whale
It's locking you out of those specific ways of doing it
rustic ocean
shamanish was some rs3 shit
sharp cave
and yet it almost got the same vote as sailing?
rustic ocean
teleport to some new dimension and cast druid spells spooky shit
ember token
god i'm so glad we didn't get perkscape, absolutely mandatory skill you could not ignore at all if you wanted to
obsidian venture
If there’s one thing I’m concerned about, is that they haven’t planned on releasing the wildy sailing expansion. Don’t know how that’d work
rustic ocean
because people didnt realize how game changing it was I think
ember token
gotta train shamanism and get the bis perks on your gear
hasty shard
shamanism would have the exact same issues sailing does
tbh i think shamanism would have such a worse impact in comparison
sharp cave
we are talking 0.4% difference too
fossil epoch
Was most of an A or C guy
minor whale
Shamanism was busted and would have been so bad for the game
hasty shard
we dont need to turn the game into a kmmo
rustic ocean
shamanism would have the exact same issues sailing does
tbh i think shamanism wo...
yep
ember token
we are talking 0.4% difference too
it was a 3% difference
obsidian venture
Was most of an A or C guy
What’s this in relation to?
minor whale
Skill cape I think
rustic ocean
I hope we never get shamanism, it will be the summoning of osrs. Change the game forever in such a bad way
sharp cave
shamanism would have the exact same issues sailing does
tbh i think shamanism wo...
i suppose thats ok ok way to think about it, i guess agility 2 with new content tacked on isnt all that bad
fossil epoch
sharp cave
but its still lame
minor whale
Ye 4 options
frail bough
i asked my wife, who doesn't play the game and she said C was the option to choose
hasty shard
i want b colors with d icon
frail bough
so looks like im choosing c
minor whale
D with B trim would look sick
fossil epoch
i asked my wife, who doesn't play the game and she said C was the option to choo...
My GF said C aswell
minor whale
I went with D though
sharp cave
based on the icon i voted D
obsidian venture
I like A or D ngl
minor whale
C looks a bit too Quest-Capey to me imo
ember token
we are talking 0.4% difference too
what you're thinking of was the "which skill would you be happy to see refined further?" which you could vote for multiple options, Sailing and Shamanism was tied, whereas in the "which is your favorite", Sailing won by 3%
rustic ocean
I voted based on icon, not a skill cape I'll rarely wear so I went with D
fossil epoch
I voted based on icon, not a skill cape I'll rarely wear so I went with D
you'll get both though, but fair
ember token
you'll get both but you wont be wearing the skill cape
fossil epoch
my vote was mostly on icon aswell
sharp cave
the icons for fetching, crafting, mining, construction and fishing are diagonal and thats the only reason i voted D over C
ember token
you'll be seeing the icon in the inventory though
fossil epoch
Never gonna buy the sailing cape yeh, its just gonna unlock my old cape when i get it
hasty shard
what you're thinking of was the "which skill would you be happy to see refined f...
when tf are they gonna fix the website poll stats 😭
ember token
D is probably going to win because it's gentletractor and it's basically the placeholder icon we've been seeing all this time
spaghetti code applies to the website too
no joke
sharp cave
D is probably going to win because it's gentletractor and it's basically the pla...
almost like its a loaded question... like the skill itself
frail bough
when tf are they gonna fix the website poll stats 😭
honestly...like wtf lol
ember token
almost like its a loaded question... like the skill itself
I agree btw that Sailing was likely Jagex's favored choice
I'm just happy with it because I really didn't want shamanism
dawn vapor
D all the way 🔥
ashen flame
anyone here have insights on eye of ayak vs shadow?
ionic tartan
Eye of Ayak is only better than Shadow at nightmare totems or something
tiny dew
Better in tob
ashen flame
I.e worth selling shadow to afford some other gear options if I'm lacking?
ashen flame
I'm way lacking in range gear so thinking if i should sell shadow temporarily
and use eye for a while
tiny dew
If ur not doing toa selling shadow not a big deal
ashen flame
i dont do it as often as i'd like to
but yeah thats one of the only places i use it besides zilyana, whisperer etc
obsidian venture
I.e worth selling shadow to afford some other gear options if I'm lacking?
If you can use another mega + ayak then sure
Depends on what you’re sending atm
Ayak is close to shadow and or beats it at some places
ashen flame
would like to send more Nex and have better all around range gear
obsidian venture
Depends on what method you do at nex but if you range camp sure
Otherwise hybrid is ideal
ashen flame
wouldnt be able to do another mega plus ayak
currently have shadow and eye, wondering if selling shadow is the play to get masori f + better range weapon than acb
obsidian venture
Well since you mentioned nex, zcb/ayak is fine
Acb is useless so ye
Don’t need shadow and eye till max
Zcb/eye/tent is fine
This can go to scythe/eye/bp further down which covers a lot
ashen flame
i currently have t.helm/oath/hally for melee, huey/bp for range and virtus/shadow/eye for mage
if i sell off the shadow i figure i just invest in masori/zcb and bank the rest
ashen flame
ma2, masori kit pack, fcape for melee
obsidian venture
Meant quiver/inferno
obsidian venture
If not can get bowfa temp and cop them both
. Otherwise what I said earlier
Bowfa is not that great unless you need capes ngl
ashen flame
after quiver you basically set yourself up for ammo based range again so yea
obsidian venture
Even pre quiver, bp is better at more places. Anyways, prob not the right channel for this discussion. Could go to #game-questions
ashen flame
Well thx anyway figure i see how eye of ayak post update felt for folks
reef swallow
Maybe it is because I just made my first ironman and am low level but the first 15 people to hit the gemstone grab getting gems instead of top 15 DPS feels much better IMO. If you're doing enough damage to be top 15 DPS you probably don't care about mining 2 opals and a sapphire but the bottom 15 DPS players probably would. Giving it to the first 15 means those bottom 15 DPS players could potentially get some gems.
keen finch
Hey, do we have any info on when will the changes from '[Game Update] Summer Sweep-Up: Slayer & Misc' (mainly the rune pouch) go live?
tacit wharf
Hey, do we have any info on when will the changes from '[Game Update] Summer Swe...
later august to early sept some time, so 2-3 weeks most likely
tacit wharf
Maybe it is because I just made my first ironman and am low level but the first ...
the gems gained arent the main attraction, its the ease of access of you not having to go out and find yrself a crab spot to go train and then getting crashed
reef swallow
the gems gained arent the main attraction, its the ease of access of you not hav...
For sure so why make it DPS based? Maybe even if you do over X DPS you can mine 3 gems. I just can’t imagine the person with full DH trying to go from base 90s to 99 is going to care about the gems
true talon
Gem collection and banking is a xd waste and less gem crabs hit
tacit wharf
like asking why give the loot of a monster kill to the person with the most damage done to it
reef swallow
Gem collection and banking is a xd waste and less gem crabs hit
To the nearly maxed combat person sure. As a noob just off tutorial island those could be a source of ring of dueling, games necklaces, and potentially even your first glory
3 days in and I’m already biased towards Ironman… I think I’m gonna be sick 🤢 lol
true talon
There are other methods to obtain said items
Such as tempoross
Gem crab should be for xp as that’s it’s intended design
If you care about xp coming from training combat, sulfur naugas are better, as they drop runecrafting exp
reef swallow
Not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out it is such a minimal amount of gems that giving them to the noobs that might potentially benefit, because they hit the gem crab first, would be a benefit to the early game community.
true talon
But gem crab is afk combat exp an doesn’t technically die or have a loot table.
true talon
Not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out it is such a minimal amount of gems ...
I’m be real I dunno how it currently works. I thought it was top 16 players. They should just change it to be everyone involved of hitting it, it don’t got hp bar or die so having a mvp system to mine it seems dumb.
Should just be an option of mining it after it changes zone available to anyone who was hitting it
reef swallow
It was supposed to be top 15 damage but I think it was glitched to be first 15 until Wednesday update. You only get 3 gems per gem crab and it’s heavily screwed towards getting opal, jade, and red topaz.
reef swallow
Should just be an option of mining it after it changes zone available to anyone ...
Also a good idea. It isn’t like the crab is dropping zombie pirate loot.
It’s a 1/500 for an uncut dragonstone so not like the gem market will suddenly see a big shift
keen finch
later august to early sept some time, so 2-3 weeks most likely
Thanks!
signal galleon
Is anyone having any trouble logging in???
sterile breach
recommendations for better visibility of the shadows in delve boss? way to remove the floor or something? hard to see shadows when colourblind
hard axle
recommendations for better visibility of the shadows in delve boss? way to remov...
blindfold plugin + skybox
tiny dew
Transmog void bottoms with Anti-panties (no other bottoms work it has to be these extremely specific ones)