game-update

[tender harness]

I mean you are objectively wrong so

what ever

[flat delta]

Can only do so much ace 🥲

[tacit wharf]

indeed

rather talk to ren

[tender harness]

god oscord have absolutely takes on doom being fine

[round lintel]

Regular loot is dogshit sometimes I feel Ace comes and goes with Redditors

[small anvil]

It's bad compared to other things but like

[tender harness]

its not PNM bad but like

its bad

[small anvil]

It's fine to have a boss with bad normal loot if it's good uniquea

And the uniques are certainly good

[tacit wharf]

at no point did i say it wasnt, i simply said not every boss needs to shit out gp/hr

now if u include the price/hr of the uniques added, it jumps by quite a bit

[ionic tartan]

I think Zulrah spoiled players' idea about loot, and PNM went too far in the opposite end.

[small anvil]

I think the existence of vorkath skews things too much

[sacred skiff]

Wave 34???

[tender harness]

bad is fine within reason. PNM levels are terrible. zul rah and muspah and vorkath are also not fun either

[round lintel]

Based on drop rates at somepoint is going to be like colo where used to be good gp an hr for its difficulty but now is really not that great

[ionic tartan]

It's nice to see Jagex devs looking for that balance in a reasonable amount of regular loot, somewhere between zulrah and PNM.

[small anvil]

It's good gph for difficulty when you include uniques

I'm sure it's like over 20

Right now

If you can 1-8 on repeat

I could do the math but meh

Not at computer rn

[round lintel]

Yes, but uniques will crash on price and probably at best and maybe new metas on where you should claim is gonna settle anywhere between 7-9m an hr

Like Yama

[tacit wharf]

wtf is wrong with 7m/hr?

[small anvil]

Things will have to come down by like half

[tacit wharf]

like how much more do u want

[small anvil]

Or more I think

[narrow folio]

Am I alone in thinking the doom normal loot is actually good?

It drops lots of good stuff

[small anvil]

It's overstated how had it is I think

Good amount of dart tips

[tender harness]

Fire runes and earth runes are sure good

[round lintel]

chu mean? 7M an hr was great in 2022 we are in 2025 xd Nex a relative easier content is more gp an hr than that

[small anvil]

Like yes earth runes such

But there's bronze shit on dt2 tables

[tender harness]

DT2 regular loot is troll

tbh

[sacred skiff]

Would be nice if teleports were weighted a bit higher

And d arrows

[small anvil]

When things give good uniques they need to not have as consistent basic loot

That's just the end of it

[tender harness]

would be nice if the teleports were actually good

[rustic folio]

replace earth runes and fire runes with rune alchables and then we good

[small anvil]

Nah I appreciate it not shitting out alcha

[sacred skiff]

And not sunkissed bones, which are more troll lategame than the fire/earth runes

[small anvil]

Alchs are bad overall game health wise

[narrow folio]

Stop going until you die and trashing loot then you'll get it

[tender harness]

also I think people want just something anything that isnt Duo nex or TOB that is more than 10m an hour

[ionic tartan]

Looking at the calc, the normal is like 470k if you're just doing 1-8 and leaving (https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Doom_of_Mokhaiotl#Depth_Loot_Mechanics), which is decent regular loot for <15 min.

Edit: for reference, the amount from the uniques loot is another 3m

[small anvil]

Ya sun kissed is the most troll part imo

That's like 2.5/hr if doing 10 min delves

Which is like, kinda slow? For people who consistently 1-8

[round lintel]

tbh I loved the bones and the splinters

[small anvil]

That's fine

I maxed prayer

So I don't want em anymore

[round lintel]

my Iron is still not 99 prayer and my quiver is only at 20%

[tender harness]

I mean its fine, but bones have no value. and the fact they have an 8k each value is a kick in the nuts as it just makes shit look more valuable

like either let me coffer bones or just get rid of them

[small anvil]

The weird value is odd yeah

But it's just weird, not a cry to buff loot

I'd rather content have bad normal and good uniques and keep uniques valuable

Instead of farmed into the ground

[hard axle]

idk why bones are so inflated

[round lintel]

I dont personally like the earth runes and fire runes, the unenchanted onyx bolts are a troll, the coal and gold ore are a mega troll quantity, I dont like the Celastrus seed and teleports are way to low amount

[hard axle]

combo runes would've been nice ngl

[round lintel]

Sunfire runes

[hard axle]

dt2 started pumping them out

[narrow folio]

Spirit seeds can be turned in for packs btw

[round lintel]

Spirit seeds are fine

[tender harness]

I mean
this is 96k in catalyst
~ 920k in tears
177k in tips
140k in splinters
530k in waystones
the meds and plate legs are probably alchs? or other alchs
but 58k for med helm(s)
160k for plate leg(s)

ignore bones as thats 1.1m because jagex

I dont see how this is like fun regular loot that keeps you chasing

[narrow folio]

Compared to some shit like nm or gwd this boss has real good loot

[round lintel]

tbf they said they didnt want delve to be a meta money making so maybe I am in the wrong

[hard axle]

gwd is also way more chill than this

there's a skill diff

and it's still like 600-800k common loot

[round lintel]

I would rather get anything that has a GE value of 10k+ for death coffer

haha

[true talon]

its alright, they coulda touched it up a small bit. stupid stuff like the sun-kissed bones inflating the value should go.

Was a prime boss to throw dragon arrows on for once. i wouldnt mind grinding this for arrows. its high focus and everytime you open the hole to not unique or go till you claim, your depressed with the outcome, your better off going till you die as your not realy risking anything to delve deeper.

do i go deeper or do i risk my 500 earth runes and 35 sun-kissed bones, oh the choicesssss.

[chrome lantern]

One change I think they should make, now that the eye kills blue larvae

[true talon]

unlike colo which shows you what your risking to go next wave

[chrome lantern]

The Eye should also reset charge on shield phase, like demonbane spells currently do

[true talon]

and often your risking a fair bit in colo to go next wave

[round lintel]

I want the d arrows, currently the are beyond unsustainable if you are not a main, and even in a main is mad expensive to use them

[true talon]

Just like the blood rune problem, they will have to address the dragon arrow problem sooner or later

[chrome lantern]

To be fair

[round lintel]

or the fact the grubs eats 2-5 arrows per shots at times

[true talon]

as now they got 3 weps that can fire d arrows that irons use, which is ven bow, tbow and scobo

[chrome lantern]

Darrows are pretty cheap on a main

[true talon]

and not using d arrows with ven bow is like using a scythe with less str bonus

1 max hit loss is 3 max hits

[round lintel]

2k an arrow is cheap?

[chrome lantern]

Yes

[round lintel]

wow

[chrome lantern]

You only lose them 20% of the time

[true talon]

ya, because you keep 80% of them

[chrome lantern]

It’s cheaper than a scythe, shadow, or blowpipe

[round lintel]

coming from someone who has 130k d arrows on my main xd

[true talon]

tbow with d arrows is cheapest of mega for normie

but tbow with d arrows is 100s of hours of duke/colo as a iron lol

[small anvil]

400 a shot vs shadow at like 1k a shot

[chrome lantern]

Tbow is absurdly cheap compared to other megas

For cost to use

[hard axle]

largely cuz of assembler and accumulator yeah

[chrome lantern]

But I mean arrow quantities are balanced with that in mind

Few people use dragon arrows without ava’s/quiver and even then limited to like tob nonranger and colo venator

[round lintel]

well right now im trying to get all items from dt2 bosses

hopefully duke spoons me at least 3k d arrows

im 2/3 on ultor but I hadnt had a roll in almost 300 kills now xd

[chrome lantern]

Well

That’s not rate yet

So

gl I guess

[hard axle]

300 kc ultor haver

[obsidian venture]

I don’t mind delve loot as much but would like none of the untradeable bones

You just send till death or unique really

[round lintel]

860kc right now

[obsidian venture]

Can claim if you’re out

[round lintel]

all Ive had 3 ingots and 2 ultor rolls

[obsidian venture]

I’m at 1200 with 0 rolls

[round lintel]

Drop table roll is 1/136

So in some way im dry at least for a roll on something else

[chrome lantern]

I really wish Jagex and the wiki stopped calling stuff “drop tables”

It’s just a convenient way to group drops and 99.9% of the time is irrelevant if you just calculate the actual probability of getting the thing you care about

Like “omg I hit the 1/100 gorilla drop table and got a ballista spring smh could’ve been zenyte” does nothing if you don’t care about the ballista

Honorable mention to medium clues “boot table”

(Doesn’t exist)

[round lintel]

The thing is, there is a hidden roll on the unique table vs the regular loot which is a hit or miss

[chrome lantern]

Doesn’t really matter

[round lintel]

to most people it does

[chrome lantern]

The only thing that pre-roll uniques does is makes it like 0.0001% less likely to get the unique drop that rolls after the other drops

Which really means it does nothing

And in fact

You can account for the effective probability of stuff, accounting for pre-rolls, and just determine the actual probability of each drop

And then there’s literally 0 importance of how they coded it

[floral willow]

world 563 down just dced me but im stuck and cant log back in.....

[tame bramble]

lots of people are the same right now 🙁

back in now, but seems to have rolled back a few min

[vestal cosmos]

Yeah the game only saves your character state every 15min or so and when you log out. If the server crashes your character is reverted to the autosave as much as 15 min ago.

Interestingly server crashes are involved in several bugs that can be very difficult to patch

[vocal lake]

when you guys did artio/callisto, did you trouver parchment ur rune pouch and use runes, or used ice packs? im using ice packs and i feel like i gotta do LMS every few hours to stock up lol

might not be worth the time in the end

unless i spoon lol

damn i didnt realize what channel im at lmao

[last onyx]

The way is wildy slayer (slay caves aswell) and doing artio/callisto on bear tasks too. Wildy caves will give you lots of ice sacks

[sacred skiff]

Or just bring like 1-200 casts of ice barrage, so you’re not losing much if you die

Ice sacks are better if you can buy them to save space, but if you’re iron and don’t have a bunch saved up from other wildy content, just runes are fine

[near kernel]

Rune essence mines looks bugged after this update 🫣

[tawny tide]

You shouldn’t know that

[whole bay]

Capped the in-game frame rate to your display refresh rate.

Does this not work for anyone else after todays update? My gpu still runs at 100% and way more fps than my display is capable

[obsidian finch]

sound effects for mokhas post boulder attack (mage and range) dont seem to play sometimes, where do i report this?

[red trench]

Someone else having two orbs attack on the same tick? www.youtube.com/watch?v=I64mn1-qzCU

[obsidian finch]

that is so unfortunate

[frail nebula]

the doom does indeed seem to be quite broken today

I'm just not touching it today

[hard axle]

It's not just from today

[frail nebula]

there's other really annoying stuff too

like grubs never despawning

[obsidian finch]

yea gnomonkey rage bc of that

[hard axle]

Basically if you get melee'd or you melee punish instantly, the orb projectiles line up because of it

Today's change made it more obvious (not necessarily worse) though

[red trench]

Ohh that could be it.. I got meleed the tick after it got out of the phase

I cant share the image in here it seems

(the phase HP bar was still up)

[hard axle]

melee right out of shield phase has always been a thing on waves 1-4 since no car phase to buffer it

[obsidian venture]

TLDR do I pot it today or no @hard axle

[hard axle]

it's about the same

it's not like you're completely barred from success

[obsidian venture]

Ok so it’s whatever

[hard axle]

not big deal ye

[round lintel]

I am not a fan of Rs3 since EoC but I was just watching the Amascut fight

I think wtf is that?

hahah

Bunch of hot keys for abilities and screen full of stuff

like 10M HP

xdddd

[ember token]

i've heard that it's pretty good group content

well defined roles

[vestal cosmos]

As a baby Scaper who started RS3 in like 2021, I thought the animations for abilities were super cool. I tried OSRS in 2024 and I kinda like the simpler but more involved combat system.

[round lintel]

I started in 06

So kinda see why I never liked EoC

[vestal cosmos]

EoC still is super entertaining to play with when I play 3 though, it’s fun to watch my character obliterate abyssal demons with dragon breath

[round lintel]

I think the only thing I miss from Rs3 is dungeoneering

[ember token]

would not be surprised if we got daimonheim as a raid or a minigame at some point

[round lintel]

It would be better than sailing thats for sure

xd

[vestal cosmos]

I’ll never be a master of either game’s combat system, but my review is: OS combat is more focused on APM (gear swaps, prayer flicks, attacks, and movement all at the same time). RS3 combat is more about practicing the order you use abilities in and managing spec energy for defensive and offensive abilities.

[kindred owl]

didnt they say they were making pet reclaims free?

getting me cannon

[brazen plover]

hello just wanted to say i just noticed during a clan wars event with my clan that when you spectate the orb you no longer see the players still fighting

i could see some peoples pet's wandering around

but couldnt see the players

maybe someone wants to look into that?

i've reported an ingame bug but wanted to mention it here aswell

[rapid briar]

is anyone else still not able to attack?

nvm its a bug with the slayer task

[hard axle]

something about large hp, even if you do similar amounts, gets tiring

7-8 figure dps output, but the boss has 10b hp is

[round lintel]

I wouldnt be able to play rs3 tbh

[short meteor]

any1 with a picture of hole beam?

[cloud rain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mj7kqf/mod_ash_on_the_possibility_of_expanding_the_f2p/

[tawny tide]

Give f2p kourend

[dense blade]

So, how does Doom feel post update?

[frail bough]

feels like they made necessary updates but there are still bugs

so if we get ca's soon and its melee only glhf cause you basically can't use any of the cool updates we have without shit getting fucked up

[sturdy dagger]

is this the correct place to post about how I just got thrown into a wall @ delve boss and can't claim my loot

[dense blade]

Should I always be trying to end the kill with melee now?

[hard axle]

nope, just kill it and send

[round lintel]

Send the screen shoot xd

[sturdy dagger]

https://i.imgur.com/Iy0Zf9e.png

[strange crystal]

Anyone else notice that the audio for for doom is whack? finding not having those hit sound effects throwing my timing off.. (yes im an old fella who relies on that lol)

[tawny tide]

wtf

[austere mulch]

Give ftp agility up to level 30 and the associated shortcuts
Give ftp fletching up to level 30. Lets them make steel arrows and is 5 levels away from willow shortbow for the tease
Make scurrius accessible in ftp with adjusted drop table
Maybe also give access to thieving up to 30?
Improve adventure paths
FTP achievement cape?

Ezpz

[indigo dew]

was there any audio changes this week? my sounds are a lot more bassier / dense and I checked last weeks pickpocket sound vs todays in a spectogram and can see a difference

ran runelite in safemode too since usually audio issues like that are from external sound plugins making in game audio tin foiley
bottom is last weeks - https://i.imgur.com/qLyYq3D.png

[dense blade]

Oof, Melee grubs following Doom around during car phase and not despawning makes this a lot less fun

[hard axle]

it is completely fucked

certain sounds files are overriding the important ones

like damage splats lmao

[sturdy dagger]

yea Ive noticed some sounds during the delve fight are just gone sometimes now

just silence

[hard axle]

it's bad because when u do the b6b flicks

ur supposed to rely on the sound of hte thing hitting you

to flick

[strange crystal]

im glad its not just me then lol

[hard axle]

Also, pretty big nerf - your spec regen cycle seems to resets entirely in between waves.

If you kill the boss right before you're about to get 10 spec energy, you don't get it back right away at the start of the next wave.

It's not paused between waves; just resets.

[strange crystal]

oh im iron, i dont really have a good spec weapon for delve lol

so that doesnt concern me, the audio is my biggest handicap atm

[hard axle]

yeah for those with zcb, this is a pretty big nerf ngl

[strange crystal]

going to have to learn to do it with povo gear + scobo 🙂

[dense blade]

It even resets in the beginning of the next wave.. Like I was at 70% got a few shots off was waiting for 80% and it reset back to 70

[hard axle]

On the average wave 1-8 run, you lose something like 4 zcbs

that's pretty big ngl

[dense blade]

At least they're keep it consistent. Spec regen gets paused at many other places, right? right?

[hard axle]

It does, but I don't think it fully resets

it's not an issue in other spaces because you aren't using LB as often

[hard axle]

just lost another 10 spec

[strange crystal]

well to be fair, with zcb you guys were skipping a lot of the mechanics, i think they want people to learn the boss not cheese it 😛

[hard axle]

it's not cheesing it; it's literally just losing 10 spec every now and then that you shouldn't be losing

I'm still reaching 13-15 without issue

[chrome lantern]

Definitely didn’t expect delve to be worse with this update

[strange crystal]

but how many orb phases are you needing to do each wave? without zcb/tbow you run into 2 orb phases at times

[hard axle]

I generally kill as the orb is moving or before earthquakes. Worst case I've seen is 3 orbs at wave 8

[strange crystal]

man that would be nice

[chrome lantern]

What if they just let spec regen for 5-10 more seconds so if you’re quick with it you don’t even notice but you can’t just like milk to full

[hard axle]

Not having a spec weapon or not having tbow shouldn't mean you're against essentially having your spec energy fucked ngl

[hard axle]

Yeah this or if it's not too hard, REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CYCLE

If you're 80% towards the next spec energy regen, the next wave should begin at that 80% mark, not 0%

[chrome lantern]

A buffer would make RL not instantly desynch too

[hard axle]

It's like if I were to say "just get good" in response to a change in audio when people point out that the audio cues are gone

or... you know... fix the audio cues?

[narrow folio]

Im sure you can still have 75 spec for zcb once per level and still skip as many mechanics as before

[minor whale]

It's just the complete removal of 10% a few times is a bit annoying

I have been like 2 seconds away from regen before when wave ended

[austere mulch]

They also said they would be pausing the regen, not resetting it

[minor whale]

And it took a full 30 seconds after next wave to regen

It's really bad

When that's half a wave of spec regen gone it's pretty bad

[austere mulch]

It doesn’t reset in colo does it? Just pauses as intended?

Seems weird it’d be implemented this way

[frail bough]

i dont know why they did it anyway

you just pause during grubs to regen spec regardless

[austere mulch]

Tbh I really dislike how they handle spec in general

[frail bough]

like all it does is punish high delve divers

"punish" cause they will just wait for spec anyway
and then it makes it awk for casuals

[austere mulch]

There’s all these weird special rules at different content that doesn’t actually impact it in a meaningful way, and instead serves to make it slightly more annoying

[frail bough]

mhmm

[austere mulch]

Resetting at doom being the newest addition

[mystic oak]

if you kill doom on melee punish it should do holy water right? on any wave?

[mystic oak]

avg game update day

ty

doesnt seem to work on chally spec

[dense osprey]

it does just not consistently

[mystic oak]

ic

ty

[dense osprey]

when doom starts one of the charge attacks, is there a way to instantly know which charge attack it is? I have him tagged blue during shield phase but the tag doesnt appear for like 2 or 3 ticks

[austere mulch]

Prayers over his head is punish, otherwise it’s shield

[nocturne solstice]

except when it isnt. I've had a few times where doom trolled me with the prayers then he just turned it off into shield phase

[chrome lantern]

Yeah at this point on 8+ I just started accepting near 0 damage and always hitting the charge with darklight

[true talon]

Believe this is a bug

its when he fakes you out due to transitioning

[dense osprey]

yeah its only a problem rn in longer waves

friend of mine posted an example, and its been tripping me up too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393094780447100975/1402816344742690837/Mokha_punish_death.mp4?ex=68954a07&is=6893f887&hm=84bfe3c2cb3527914b0ba6dec18285466376ee7b4eada916b8e3ebbecfda01a8&

[obsidian finch]

oh so thats a bug? that melee punish shows and then goes straight to beam charge before u even melee? or is that intended for some reason?

[sharp cave]

why did they nerf zaff 🙁

[true talon]

Ya i believe i have pinpointed this issue, it looks to me if the boss goes below 20 or 25% after orb phase he will then transition into a grub shield.
His mechanics look to be 75% - grub shield - car - orb - 25% grub shield and the error occurs due to extremely dps.
where you go 75-grub shield - kill during car = no 25% and a skip
75-grub shield - bad dps car - kill before orb = no 25% and a skip
75 - grub shield - bad dps car - bad dps orb - next special in to rotation is melee punish and boss is below 25% - does a grub shield instead.

Because its possible to skip this 25% grub sheild, but its not possible to skip over the orb phase

in my mind the boss encounter was meant to go.
75% - grub - car - orb - melee punish - 25% grub - dead with potential melee punish to help clear poison.
However our dps in car an orb is just demolishing the boss and he is dying before doing half his phases.

[chrome lantern]

The weird thing to me is just that there’s no case where you’ll ever get a melee punish at the end of the kill, is there?

[true talon]

orb also might be happening on a 1 minute timer

[chrome lantern]

Like if it just instantly converts to a shield

[true talon]

but its paused due to car in later waves

[true talon]

correct, currently after wave 5, he is converting every melee punish after car/orb into another grub shield

[chrome lantern]

So like the holy water doesn’t really do anything because low waves barely have acid and damage

Good design/execution clearly with no flaws or bugs

[hard axle]

Even if you didnt wait, you always had 1 spec Not sure what you mean by this

[chrome lantern]

I guess the logical answer would be to not let shield charge until after he recovers from a melee punish after he starts one

[hard axle]

It's more annoying in the early waves because those are the waves where you have the least regen

[true talon]

yes the boss should just go into a melee punish after orb phase. this is sort of a finish him moment.

after orb he should go into his standard rotation untill dead

not do a full another grub shield

[chrome lantern]

I don’t even think it needs to do a punish

But if it starts, it shouldn’t override

[hard axle]

it still goes right into shield phase after orb

[narrow folio]

I mean you always have spec for zcb for car phase even after this so if the intention was to prevent skipping orb, it utterly failed

[hard axle]

melee punish without shield phase only happens if the boss is left at like 300 hp after car phase

[true talon]

ya and im saying it shouldnt

[hard axle]

yep, add a 3s buffer or something

[true talon]

it should go 75 - grub - car - orb - normal encounter till death

[hard axle]

that way it is very skill intensive - you still have to dodge double boulder

if u dont kill it

[true talon]

its currently doing 75-grub-car-orb-grub

as there is appearntly some jank with a low hp % grub shield mechanic

[chrome lantern]

The entire fight being shield phases on floor 6+ is kinda nuts

Like oh boy you know what people love most in fights?

Not being able to damage the boss!

Just look at Moons! Wow!

[hard axle]

and im saying you get this regardless

[winged mantle]

We love prolonged fights

[true talon]

Boss should stay car till dead speeding up its projectiles and speed.

[narrow folio]

Someone said now you cheating zcbers need to do mechanics

[chrome lantern]

For context and clarification, Moons is the single worst PvM content ever put into this game

[narrow folio]

So Im like, this didnt change that

[hard axle]

fair fair

[chrome lantern]

So when I say that I say it only in a negative way

[true talon]

i dont think so, moons is actually pretty good. outside of bloodmoon being insanely unbalanced.

[chrome lantern]

There is no world where I will ever acknowledge a “boss” where you spend the majority of your time not attacking at all

As good

[true talon]

the clone thing of eclipse is cool, i dont like the phase in ice moon though

[chrome lantern]

You spend more time running between bosses than fighting the bosses

[hard axle]

that's what I'm fucking saying. You essentially lose 24s of regen

[chrome lantern]

Or standing around after you finish the specials

[hard axle]

for 0

that's 4+ zcb specs from 1-15

[true talon]

well the bosses take damage from you executing the phase mechanics correctly.

they got more of a energy drain bar more than a health bar

[chrome lantern]

Yes and no

It scales with their hp, so after you hit it like 4 times it does very very little

It’s only relevant when you’re super low level and the bosses are even more unenjoyable and drawn out by low dps

[hard axle]

so the reason why people would wait for spec wasn't because you were guaranteed at least 1 spec, but instead got 2 specs

[chrome lantern]

Yeah when I did my delve pb I started at 100 and zcbed on entry and on burrow

[hard axle]

people don't even know why something was nerfed and act like they do

[true talon]

ya you can do wave 8 skips with just a zcb spec an tbow hit an then kill during car lmao

[hard axle]

no

dude

let me speak bitch

[chrome lantern]

Kill during burrow is pretty rng to begin with

[hard axle]

regen to 90-100 spec, pre-death charge (still allowed) and wait until 30s left.

ZCB at the start, scobow without rigour to NOT proc it, kill the triple grubs if they spawn, wait for boulders, then tbow or melee punish to proc shield phase, death charge again and shield phase for 100 spec, zcb at start of car phase, bow + max drag for extra 3-4 bow shots.

I see so many people do min distance drags with car phase and it's frustrating

max distance drags = true tile moves FOUR times

[true talon]

ya max distance car zoom is nice

[chrome lantern]

What exactly is the best way to make it dash as far as possible while minimizing placing it in a bad place at the end

[hard axle]

this was why they patched it

[true talon]

on wave 5 i bait into the corner an then aim it down middle in a diag, but later waves i just do the rock tech.

[chrome lantern]

Idk what rock tech refers to

[true talon]

were you bait it on the rock

[hard axle]

set up proc on north or east, whichever is clear, for first shockwave

then mid-distance drag to the corner for second shockwave.

then max-distance drag it along the wall OR diagonal back to middle.

[chrome lantern]

Gotcha I had been doing that

Good to know I wasn’t totally crazy

[true talon]

you pre-place a rock an bait the car onto that and then first slam is nulled, then you can bait it anywhere else in the room and have plenty of rocks

[chrome lantern]

My aim was to end place it middle and also get the long dash

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I’ve never done that

And probably never will that seems cheaty to me

Side note

I kinda hate people just calling it car

[hard axle]

you can do the same with diagonal planted rocks

[chrome lantern]

It’s not like you drive a car by making sharp turns stationary and flooring it for like two seconds

[chrome lantern]

wym

For context I have watched zero guides on delve I’ve just mostly been sending it after reading bits and pieces here and there since release

Like 800 total delves with 20-30 deep

(I hid from floor 8 for a while)

[hard axle]

plant rock NE/NW/SE/SW from boulder specials and the lure him N/W/S/E

blocks first EQ

and then relure him back N/W/S/E repeatedly

easier to show

[chrome lantern]

Oh yeah

Like planting a rock next to his destination ahead of time

for sure

[round lintel]

2 ingots, virtus bottoms and 2 rolls on ultor

300+ kills that I havent seen anything at all xd

My loot tracker right now

[hard axle]

deserved for spooning pet

[round lintel]

51 Secs pb with blade

to give you context with max melee with scythe, ruby bolt resetting + 3 Burning claws over 60 each

and my pb is 50 Secs

[austere mulch]

Just hit more good and boss dead more fast

[round lintel]

When i got gm time on my main rancour didnt exist, nor oathplate

so I wonder

[obsidian venture]

rng

[true talon]

GM times been power creeped hard, i got some crazy times just with rng smacking the bosses with new gear.

i remember resetting vorkath to get the GM time and it was a struggle, then i did a few kills with burning claws and some rng on lance and i got like 32 second kill lol

[hard axle]

i think my pb is 42s cuz soulreaper axe just kept hitting 70s

no venge, no nothing

[true talon]

yea just natty smacking with the SRA and othatplate

[round lintel]

Damn I did get GM time using zcb double ruby

when I did CAs on my main long ago

[hard axle]

the shorter the encounter, the more susceptible it is to just rng or hitting hard

[round lintel]

Actually around this time is when I started my iron

[true talon]

it was 43 seconds but i just killed it naturally with lance an burning claws

but i remember trying to get the GM for vorakth pre-claws and it as fucking so ass

[round lintel]

I started my iron just weeks before DMing got banned

[hasty shard]

oh my god speeds at mokh will suck

you're just relying on constant punish procs 😭

and its just -30s if you have to do second blue shield

[hard axle]

identical to how if you get 7 grapples in a row and in quick succession, ur getting a fantastic sol

versus 7 triple hits

[hasty shard]

i think as the days go by the less i like speed cas tbh

[round lintel]

Ive had runs with no parry attacks xd

[hasty shard]

at the same time i wish times were actually on hiscores

i think they might just need to do something wild like setting flags for if you've just done the speed tech

checking if you double veng wisp properly, 1t punish mokh etc

[minor whale]

Go check what actual speeds are
Whatever you're thinking
It's worse

They don't attack during grub phase

Because it lasts too long

[hasty shard]

oh right duh

[minor whale]

They let him attack lmao

And just eat back to full

[hasty shard]

does that make him heal or

[minor whale]

Nope

Just kill all grubs

[hasty shard]

i actually need to do that on my snowflake acc 😭

[minor whale]

Then tank a fat 99

And resume fight

[hasty shard]

no demonbane weapons mfw

[minor whale]

I think a mobile-only player held rec for a while with like a sub-6 delve 8

By just tanking every blast

[hasty shard]

considering mokh is 0 damage it honestly doesnt sound too bad to tank 99s

[minor whale]

You bring a fuckload of brews, full melee switch for punish, and that's basically it

[hard axle]

okay so, despite some of the hiccups, I actually really like the QOL changes today

especially the yellow colored hole when unique

[hard axle]

BUT, there's a lot of visual/audio cue issues:

1. the damage splat sounds get overrided by shield phase proc.

2. even though there's no sound or damage indicator on you, and shield phase looks like it negates mid-air projectiles, you still get hit if you don't flick.

[hasty shard]

oh right yeah the hits from exploding rocks act like they damage you when they arent actually

and im pretty sure that used to be a bug at levi even

same fucking animation 😭

[hard axle]

okay so this is an issue on 8 where the second boulder doens't get nulled

but the first actually gets nulled

[hasty shard]

no its 100% for every rock attack

u get the lil levi hitsplat animation when its rocks

you dont when its just a normal auto

it should just be no animation
because you arent getting hit :catgriga:

[hard axle]

yep

but overall, it does feel more skill-based

and rates are pretty fair

[unique kraken]

Just a quick Suggestion for Banking.

There is a mechanic to hold Control and go from Walk to Run

Whilst in the bank interface could we hold Control to go from "1" to "All" when depositing/withdrawing? Thanks

[shadow wave]

With menu entry swapper you can configure shift-click to do that

[unique kraken]

true sign of genius is to invent something in your head that already exists

genius or madness, pick one

thankyou Nein

[winged mantle]

hmmm if you charge the eye of ayak with death runes and chaos runes it looks like you don't get the passive charge benifit

it only get's the benifit when charges with tears...

interesting

yeah only work with demon tears. started at 10k that run and profited 90 charges

[final rune]

Anyone ever had this issue? I just can't login anymore after the recent update on laptop.
I have re-installed Jagex launcher, Runelite etc.
I have the latest version double checked multiple times
Nothing works, just can't play anymore.
On mobile no issue

I keep getting the error: Runescape has been updated. Please restart your client.

If anyone can help, I would really appreciate it

[minor whale]

Yeah it can only be charged with one or the other, so it won't generate more runes but it will generate more tears

[last onyx]

Just watched a Delve streamer now:

1. Ancient godsword will heal you during shield phase even though it hits 0
2. Car phase bug is back, you can place the boss on the old middle tile and he won't smash any rocks

Is this intentional?

[winged mantle]

Not what I expected

[left wolf]

Loved that world update as someone who works within IT Infrastructure

[summer kestrel]

are these delve bugs gettin hotfixed or is it another week of putting off delve..

[frail bough]

yeah world update blog was very cool ty

[winged mantle]

Probs a week

If they were willing to wait a week to "sort out" that last batch

[dense blade]

@frail bough ran it all day and didn't run into a single issue

[summer kestrel]

wave 2 doesnt count

[gritty frigate]

Love the latest update as someone who works in Networking! Moving from VMware to proxmox?

[rapid birch]

Sailing blog today?

[winged mantle]

In the higher delves you experience the bugs

[true talon]

doom model is just disapearing when it attacks?

What the fuck is going on lol

[chrome lantern]

If you use the Custom Menu Swaps plugin in the plugin hub you can also customize hotkeys for withdrawing certain quantities, and pretty much set up any swap you want on any hotkey you want

I ran 3 runs to wave 10 last night and didn’t notice any bugs

[frail bough]

i hope you know you only need to click on the boss once, its crazy it took you a billion seconds to realize you were yellow clicking

also restart your runelite

[true talon]

i was spam clicking to show case the issue lol

[frail bough]

ah

[true talon]

i just did a 1-7 run an he was disapearing during car phase and other times

[hasty shard]

clicked too hard, killed the boss

[true talon]

so i thought if id try on wave 1 to see if i can replicate it

[frail bough]

pretty sure they silent hotfixed delves attack cycle getting goofed

[true talon]

Its probably a plugin's fault

[chrome lantern]

I feel like it’s a plugin yeah

Are you using any graphics plugins other than GPU?

Oh yes you absolutely are

(Looks gross imo btw)

[true talon]

i use 117 hd

[frail bough]

jk they didnt

[last onyx]

Might just be me, but i would really like Masori to be more useful. Feels pretty weird that void beats Masori over and over again. It's even viable in high invo ToA, just a few seconds slower than Masori haha.

Could reduce Voids defence even more to make it a really high risk option

[ember token]

🤨

you're so right, every boss these days uses void

beats out masori at so many places like uhh.... erm...

[drifting ginkgo]

Doom and vorkath, I think that's literally it

[winged mantle]

I've only ever used elite void in tob

And vorkath

[drifting ginkgo]

nylos true

[last onyx]

Levi

Delve

[drifting ginkgo]

enrage only at levi

[winged mantle]

Awakened enrage

[last onyx]

With blowpipe during slayer on low defence mobs

[ember token]

looool

[last onyx]

Void is pretty strong

[winged mantle]

It's niche

[drifting ginkgo]

yeah it's cool that it has a place for sure but it's only bis in very rare cases not like its pushing out the need for an actual range armour set

[winged mantle]

Glad it has places it's good at

[ember token]

poor Masori, only BIS in 95% of the places you use ranged and not 100%

we should nerf void and buff masori

[last onyx]

you're welcome to twist my words, what i'm saying is that i think the difference between the best in slot ranged gear and free misc gear should be bigger.

[ember token]

not twisting your words, you were straight up just saying that Masori isn't useful enough (it's BIS in numerous places) and claiming that void beats Masori "over and over again" (which isn't true)

[drifting ginkgo]

I think that's one of the things that makes the game rly cool, same thing as the Arclight being rly good (at a few select places) for 0 money

[winged mantle]

You're not wrong. I think there should be something inbetween masori and second bis

[last onyx]

That would be really cool!

[vestal cosmos]

Reading this out of context doesn’t make a lot of sense. “Something between best and second best” would be the new second best.

[plush gull]

void range is not even second bis most places, it's a lot worse than void melee and void mage

[vestal cosmos]

Unrelated, but evoid melee needs a slight buff to fit with the other two sets

I thought evoid magic was kinda bad though since it doesn’t give much magic damage bonus

[shadow wave]

It's mostly the gloves, you really want torm at least

[true talon]

wrong void mage an melee are far worst than their options, you get more dps from wearing fero gloves than having a void melee helm.

void range is strictly broken as fuck when you are given 100% accuracy, because thats its flaw.

or if you can reduce something to 0 defense

and void mage dont work with a shadow

I do think masori should be stronger, but range str as a whole is garbage and most of it is baked into the arrows and not the armor.

going from rune to dragon arrows for an example is the same as gaining full masori and anguish in range str

[tepid schooner]

Omg Void elite good at vorkath and delve pls nerf it Masori soo badddd

[true talon]

the max hit yes, but not the accuracy

Void has like 5 max hits over masori in delves

[hasty shard]

waow hotfix

[true talon]

the dps of masori is better, but you have phases with 100% accuracy so people wear void, it also brings your death cost to 10k lol

[hasty shard]

that and like car phase dps is the most important cause how else are you skipping orbs if not during that

[last onyx]

Give me a sec to show you how good void is even at ToA

[true talon]

Ya void is good, but not bis. i think the high value armor should be stronger esp range.

masor is barely better than d hide

[frail bough]

it has 50% more range attack and 6 range str

[last onyx]

It's free misc gear

And now it's being used at Delve by almost everyone, Masori which should be BiS is just binned

[true talon]

1 dps is still like 10% in this case

void having 6 max hits over masori is criminal lol

[last onyx]

Yupp

I really don't mind that, but i think void iin this case should be a very high risk item with 0 defence bonuses

[frail bough]

now players cant drink surge pots between levels...

like what in the world

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-you-took-my-only-food-starve-belly-gif-26366972

[frail bough]

when do we get hotfix to prevent casting death charge between delve levels plz

when do we get hotfix to prevent spec recharging during shield phase

[true talon]

i mean defense does not matter in this game, so even if it had 0 defensive stats this would have no influence on its pvm viability

[winged mantle]

Saying there's a gap

[true talon]

Armor in general is done poorly for power

Melee is good example its 6 total str to go from bandos to torva

a massive ammount of power is on the ring,gloves and necklace slot

[obsidian venture]

Masori and ranged void is fine as is

Melee armor upgrades has always been a poor progression

[plush gull]

only at delve

[restive siren]

where would one wear void melee/mage

[sacred skiff]

tob and like nowhere else?

Wayyy back in the day void mage was like the strat for your first zulrah kill for the diary

So you could like 2-way to a ranged wep and have lots of room for supplies

Man Zulrah seemed so difficult once upon a time lol

[plush gull]

still not allowed to post dps calcs months after my suggestion

but it takes about 50m of gear to barely beat void melee/elite void mage by 1 max hit with less accuracy, meanwhile void range loses to dhide most places

[chrome lantern]

Guys this guy is notorious for bad bait and trolling I wouldn’t engage

[true talon]

Damn the servers feel so good right now with sub 300 people

[last onyx]

With every non-armour slot item being upgraded the gap between Masori and Void is adjusted all over the board, it's far from trolling to point out a legit problem as we see at Delve right now.

[austere mulch]

Wait, why is drinking surge potions between delves* an issue that needs to be fixed 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[last onyx]

Wishing that difference was bigger is legit, i do enjoy void but perhaps the difference could be even bigger?

[chrome lantern]

No I just mean Ren will go on a nonstop campaign to push the joys of melee void at colo in a 2m setup to say that it’s good gear

[drifting ginkgo]

probably because pb meta will be to sit in between waves for 10 mins sipping surges if they don't 😂

[last onyx]

ohhh, my bad!

[lone remnant]

void at colo afufufu

[austere mulch]

Oh Jagex… maybe for burgers

[drifting ginkgo]

and makes it consistant with how they work at tob etc. i think

I was also confused at first but makes sense when you think about it

[austere mulch]

Sanfew better use of invent for deeper delves than surge

[lone remnant]

surge pots shouldve never been added simple as

[austere mulch]

You can sip surge between rooms at tob. You’d have no reason to of course

[chrome lantern]

It’s better dps, if you spend 100% of your money on a colo setup and can only afford a nox hally or SRA and ignore defense bonuses

[austere mulch]

It just doesn’t have its cd between rooms (which also is dumb)

[lone remnant]

its not better dps

[austere mulch]

By no reason to, I mean you’d be locking yourself out of using it 🤣

[chrome lantern]

I have seen the calcs, if you have like a 20m total budget it’s like .1 dps more than the equiv fighter torso bgloves setup

It’s a farce

[lone remnant]

also bis for venator, but yeah

even in max max

i stand corrected

[chrome lantern]

I didn’t really believe it either to be clear but I did calcs like that for my gim in garbage gear

[lone remnant]

overall worse but higher potential

[chrome lantern]

And like fang poke was my best dps on warden (spooned a fang, only 1 enh on the team so far) and was like 2% better in void than torso etc

[sacred skiff]

Etube you immediately engaged after warning people not to lmao

[chrome lantern]

I engaged other people

But yeah

[kind sail]

you are on rate for nothing lmao

[chrome lantern]

I’ll admit there are niches where the dps looks ok on paper but in 90% of those cases it’s still not relevant

Like at PNM in the void setup I had a 2 lower maxhit and couldn’t 1shot the parasite with my zaxe

[sacred skiff]

zaxe one-shots parasites?

[chrome lantern]

Absolutely

[sacred skiff]

That's 1t faster than a godsword

hmmmmmm

[chrome lantern]

Just need a 55 maxhit

I use SRA on my iron for it, helps maintain stacks through phases too

[kind sail]

you also have to swap more gear

so the trade off usually isnt worth it

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I just do a 4-way mage switch for totems

[hasty shard]

1 way maul 🥹

[chrome lantern]

Yeah depends on your switches

[sacred skiff]

But I think I need to do the 4-way back to 1-shot with sgs

[chrome lantern]

Like on my GIM I had garbage mage switches anyway so I just did a 3-way axe during totems

[sacred skiff]

I'd really like to luck into the GM time there without scythe so I can stop worrying about it

my pb is like 6:03

[kind sail]

with sra?

[sacred skiff]

and that was before wand, and I still don't have treads

Either SRA or bludgeon, don't remember

[kind sail]

thatll be really hard

[chrome lantern]

I got GM when flames of zamorak counted as fire on ele weakness release but got better PBs multiple times since

[kind sail]

like really hard lol

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I think I got really lucky

But I've gotten within 10 seconds a few times, so it taunts me

[kind sail]

I have a sub 5 with bis gear and even then its pretty rng

[chrome lantern]

I don’t have many kc since update on my reg iron

That’s a post-heart concern

[lone remnant]

i got a 4:33 without an inq top

[chrome lantern]

I would like to grind it out at some point though, boss is fun

[lone remnant]

its prob the most free gm time in the game rn

[chrome lantern]

No drops yet, ~220 kc between my accounts

[kind sail]

really depends on totems tbh

idk why but even in max mage i noodle so fucking hard on them

[kind sail]

havent seen sub 5 in like 100 kc

[lone remnant]

8 way mage swap pretty req

[kind sail]

nah even with 8 way

like its been so bad, negative rng

[sacred skiff]

average PNM

[kind sail]

this was my 8 way last 30kc ish

[solid trout]

disgusting log my condolances

[lone remnant]

i deadass get sub 5 camping mace like, 50% of the time

[lone remnant]

we chillin

[kind sail]

yeah idk how you get that tbh

im not missing a single tick

even parasite husks its 1t

[lone remnant]

are you scything last hit totems? that saves a good amt of ticks

[kind sail]

oh no im not

that actually might do it for me

thats like 10+ seconds time save over 3 phases potentially

[lone remnant]

yeah make sure ur up in last pillars face and u scythe last hit

[kind sail]

yeah ill be going back to pnm with treads once i finish this last dt2 axe

surely today

https://tenor.com/view/cope-dont-care-crying-cry-chips-gif-21606846

[lone remnant]

self imposed grind, been there

[kind sail]

oh man you dont wanna know

im like top 100 in 2 of them and top 300 in another

lmfaoooooo

[lone remnant]

still mad abt axe piece

[kind sail]

my duke logs looks like that yet heres whisp

i dont get it

[hard axle]

Just rng

[plush gull]

ive also used elite void mage at yama, its 1 max hit less than ahrims+torm (30m) and more accurate, tho i just noticed virtus mask gives 3 max hits to the ahrims setup

[last onyx]

Wow, rank 121 with that low kc? : O

[lone remnant]

iron rank

[last onyx]

ahhh

[tender harness]

Added a special attack to the Rosewood Blowpipe: Rapid burst. Fire two darts in rapid succession with 20% reduced accuracy and 10% increased damage. (25% special attack energy). This means it will function similarly to a 'budget' Dragon Knife for enemies with low Defence or content which has guaranteed accuracy.

[true talon]

at this rate i expect them to just make a new BIS ammo over fixing dragon lol

[tawny tide]

Am I dumb what is a dragon knife

Oh I am dumb nvm

Throwing knives lol

[sterile breach]

Anyone else been experiencing major fps drops opening interface like bank this past week? I go from 120-60fps, also getting these fps drops in delve too now, it's becoming unplayable

[tawny tide]

Guess im not touching basilisks until this comes out

[restive siren]

which cape you guys voting for

i would want D icon with C cape ngl

[sterile breach]

None, all lame

[restive siren]

miss me with that brown

[restive siren]

thanks for the input

[still sundial]

surprised they're all using a very similar shade of blue for the main color. I'd say D is the best

[shadow wave]

D I'm afraid

[still sundial]

actually nvm now that I look at it again the shades are quite different

I don't like the blue in A at all

[frosty reef]

I like A 🙂 C seems too much like a defence cape on the colors theme with trim for my liking

[shadow wave]

I think B blue shade with everything else D for me

But D overall

[restive siren]

ye D icon is the best but the colors are yikers

[ember token]

i'm voting based on the icon, not the skill cape

[restive siren]

true

[ember token]

you will see the icon way more than you will see the skill cape

[frosty reef]

A -> D -> B -> C in that order for me

[still sundial]

for icon I'd say D>B>C>A

[true talon]

its 2 handed, so it wont help you lol

[sacred skiff]

fr lol if you're using a 2h weapon on them you won't be touching them after either

When they zero your combat stats

Ooh I do like the colors of C though. They look like the navy outfits in One Piece lol

Agreed D does have the best icon though

[tender harness]

I do like how irons say they arent catered to though
and Jagex basically point blank says
Players noted that the new Blowpipes don't have a clear use case, especially for irons

[still sundial]

idk if people even say that anymore

[tender harness]

people absolutely still do

[sacred skiff]

The 100% true thing about irons is they complain. I'm an iron. I sometimes feel catered to, I sometimes don't

[still sundial]

it's been pretty obvious after scarred essence was added

[sacred skiff]

But I can always find something to complain about

[frosty reef]

Dang the proposed super fishing/hunter pots pack quite the hefty boost with +6, even more than stew

[tender harness]

good

kill stew boosting

awful RNG

[sacred skiff]

Do fishing/hunter boosts ever really get used though, apart from boosting for the mory diary?

[shadow wave]

Don't worry, you will be able to stew boost sailing

[sacred skiff]

Or maybe early accs needing to get to fishing guild for a clue step

[shadow wave]

With a 4 dose potion a +6 with preserve will probably be a relatively decent exp/hr bump

[still sundial]

actually wonder if they'll remember to add sailing boost to them

[sacred skiff]

But so much more to keep track of when I want to click Angler spot and then go do work or watch show

[ember token]

in the stream yesterday they mentioned it but forgot what color spice would boost sailing

[frosty reef]

With how much stuf there is I wouldn't be surprised they forget something. but doubt it'd be stews

[shadow wave]

Should be yellow but we'll see

[ember token]

definitely should be yellow

[frosty reef]

Effectively, the forge reduces the time it takes to smith one set of cannonballs from 8 ticks to 4 ticks. This includes the Smithing of Steel cannonballs for the Dwarf Multicannon. Additionally, the Double Mould from Giant's Foundry can also be used here.
Dang huge for the IM

[still sundial]

hmm now I am wondering if you'll only have to boost to build the new facilities on the ship or to also use them

[shadow wave]

I would assume that if you build it and it has a passive effect it'll just be for the construction, but if it's active it'd be construction and use?

Like a bigger bank chest would just be the build, but a better salvaging hook would be both?

[river veldt]

is there any updates regarding osrs servers to be implemented in new regions, with the aws migration, as per last weeks survey?
some SA/br hosted server/worlds would be amazing

[river veldt]

ooh nice

thank you so much!

[rustic ocean]

I'm gonna say it.

All 4 of those capes have flaws and if we combined some ideas from them they'd be okay.

B and D have the best Icon but the cape colors and trim colors (especially trim) sucks.

C has the best cape color

A is bad.

They all need better trim colors.

[ionic tartan]

They need to poll the icon separately, because that's what goes in the skills tab too.

Feels bad for icon decision to be affected by opinions on cape colors and trim.

[rustic ocean]

If C wins and they put a straight anchor in the skill tabs that's gonna look so bad

I'd vote for C if the anchor was crooked

[tawny tide]

Oof

[sacred skiff]

D icon + C colors 💯

[rustic ocean]

I'd be okay with that

[frail bough]

C is slightly too teal for me, gives me fletching cape vibes

[summer holly]

any pk updates comming out anytime soon

[ember token]

dmm this winter

[hard axle]

Always Ls for surge pot. It’s almost like this potion is problematic and people were saying it’s a PITA to balance

My 100k surge pots

[austere mulch]

Doesn’t help that the person who made that decision has only the insight of Reddit comments and a 1600 total Ironman when it comes to how things might influence metas 😅

It narrowly passed a poll as it was blogged. Would’ve definitely failed if it was polled as released

[hard axle]

[true talon]

Surge just was broken in pvp, its pvm use is minor at best

[hard axle]

The shorter the content, the stronger it is

[hard axle]

But yeah, all annoyances aside with spec energy, I do think they balanced delve well overall.

Drop rates, mechanics, etc.

Good boss, not too boring, nor a 6 Jads pray flick simulator

[true talon]

They have drastically improved it

[hard axle]

Indeed

[true talon]

I still wish it had better loot, so its a risk vs reward like colo and orb had little wider radius and better pathing like it can go over rocks and not around them.

[tawny tide]

Guess I’m doing it this year to try and scratch the leagues itch anyway I can

[plush gull]

why are they acting like an iron alternative for guthix rests is a bad thing

[true talon]

i mean guthix rests are stupid, i would like mixes to be good

[plush gull]

having another 4 dose per slot alternative for tick eating would be great

[austere mulch]

Yeah a night and day difference from previous releases (@ Yama)

[hard axle]

Yep, 1/50 chance for 1-8 clear

For a unique

6.4% chance for 1-16 clear

[chrome lantern]

For once I do agree with Ren in that I don’t think they need to hyper fixate on preserving Guthix Rest

It’s fine to creep on a potion that uses 4 useless herbs

[hard axle]

My only concern is that it also creeps on hard food

Guthix rest already beats out most food in terms of healing per slot

Mixes and moths are balanced, but only because they’re 2 doses

[chrome lantern]

Yeah and people rarely bring those so I don’t see it as a concern

This is still a bring 0-1 of them

[hard axle]

Ren wanting 4 dose is a concern, especially if removing delay. But removing delay and keeping 2 dose is fair imo.

[chrome lantern]

We’re talking about the anti-bleed potion right

Why wouldn’t it be 4dose

[tacit wharf]

wonder if they could make it so it'd only heal if it cleansed the bleed

[austere mulch]

That’s what they said in updated blog p sure

[tacit wharf]

then seems reasonable

[plush gull]

i mean 2 dose guthix rest alternative is already fulfilled by snowy knight mix & sunlight moth mix

i think its ok for anti bleed to be a guthix rest with no overheal/run energy

[hard axle]

Yeah, not really a hill to die on

[chrome lantern]

I just don’t see a reason to have its utility limited by 2 guam, a marrentill, and a harralander mixed in a teacup

If they’re that concerned about it, make it heal 4, then 1 extra when bleeding

I don’t think it’s necessary to make it weaker than a guthix rest but then you still make it have some use while less raw heal per slot than rest unless used to heal bleed

[hard axle]

Single bite food should be better though

[plush gull]

hard food will never beat snowy knights

[chrome lantern]

I mean the single bite advantage is not clicking it 4 times over 10 seconds

[hard axle]

Kind of dumb how we’re so worried about adding a 30-35 hp food when brews heal 64 have dominated for decade+ and moth mixes heal 16 without tick loss

[chrome lantern]

I agree to be clear and I think that new fish are moving in the right direction

[hard axle]

Angler could’ve been 25 overheal and no issues

Marlin 35 hp

[plush gull]

ye i wouldnt use hard food even if it healed 35

[chrome lantern]

I think that might be a little on the extreme end but up to 30 sounds reasonable

Or stated differently

I think it might be too much of a jump up from current

[plush gull]

honestly it might be nice to make anti bleed tonic heal 1, gives it some niche uses besides just being a guthix rest

less dps loss when DHing for example. i saw people on reddit asking for a regen stopper potion for DH qol from this content and this would fill a similar niche with an already proposed item

[tacit wharf]

who's going around and camping dh except for someoen who's at mole

[hasty shard]

imo
corrupt heart, u squish it n it pauses all buff timers for 5m or until you enter combat

[plush gull]

its not the only niche for it, could allow for more precise HP management at bloodied blows yama, also i have my own use for it but ill keep that to myself

[true talon]

reason no1 uses hard food is due to eat delay on your attack

[hard axle]

That’s why it should be more hp

[plush gull]

instead of new fish we could use some butterfly qol

1. why do u have to world hop at nardah for jars? even mains have to do this because of low buy limits
2. buy limits, why can ppl only buy 1 inventory of butterflies per hour?
3. inability to note non-mixes, this an issue especially for UIM and when snowy knights are more powerful in non mix form

also why can only deadfall+pit meat and dashing kebbits be used, not even other falconry meat, why cant i just use noose wand meat for example

also the new black warlock spot in varlamore pt3 is great especially for leagues, but it seems so far from a bank

also why does the agility shortcut to catch ruby harvests in aldarin at 15 hunter take 54 agility

[hasty shard]

you can use jar generator for butterfly jars instead

[tacit wharf]

UIM's choose that restriction, they already pushing their game mode restrictions with extra death piles

[plush gull]

its an option but i doubt its sustainable compared to world hopping at nardah, u can catch thousands of butterflies per hour if not banking them, so still potentially like 500+ depending on bank distance

[tacit wharf]

its quicker to buy the imps, trade in for jar generator and get 100 jars per

[hasty shard]

they feel like something you should be able to glassblow tbh

[chrome lantern]

Get the kit from hunter rumors and you can buy as many as you want

[plush gull]

i mean being 1gp at 100 stock with 6s restock is already quite generous, its just u can catch butterflies at such mass quantities that its not enough

[chrome lantern]

100 per world

[plush gull]

theyre like vials

maybe just add noted packs to shops same as vials

[chrome lantern]

Way faster to get jars than butterflies/moths but I’m not opposed to packs either

[tacit wharf]

id prefer being able to blow them from glass than buy them faster from shop

[coral mortar]

how can we get the animation of the blue boulder have blue colored rocks when it splits open rather then Brown its extremely deceiving, make a ticket or reddit post with jagex ?

[tacit wharf]

most would factor that in when leveling crafting than doing orbs or vials

[plush gull]

people glassblow vials? 🤨

[coral mortar]

this is under game update and suggestions i dont see a suggestion channel

[plush gull]

u can make a thread in #1022203837265756231

u can talk about it here too but i dont really understand what ur saying

[tacit wharf]

vials are 33, fishbow 42, glass orb 46

not that many do, its just an option

[plush gull]

u know what, fair, my gim is 32 crafting and i need a str ammy, im gonna go glassblow some vials right now

[chrome lantern]

Most efficient would be to just make raw molten glass until you can blow stuff worth more xp

Then once you have enough for 61 go do that, then do superglass make for the rest of your time

[true talon]

This might be one of the worst doom logs i ever seen

because they onl got 4 uniques

[tawny tide]

Just buy them at the hunter guild

[tawny tide]

Most efficient is actually to wait for them to make a glassblowing bridge between lens and bulb and just level other stuff

I wish they would tell us what the hell they plan to use moonlight furs for

Seems silly it isn’t for sailing

Have an npc buy them for 50k each or something

[chrome lantern]

At this point

The answer has to be nothing I feel like

It’s too late and there’s too many in the game at zero value

[round lintel]

tbh The only thing is paintful to get is impling jars

[tacit wharf]

dont see any reason why i have to take so long to go through the wheat rows with lumby elite and 99 str, in puro puro

[quick isle]

Hey, do we know when this new slayer update will be live?

[tacit wharf]

2-3 weeks

[true talon]

Goblin said in about 2 weeks

[tacit wharf]

most likely

[tawny tide]

They need to delete puro puro and just increase spawn on the surface

[true talon]

I think they are kinda done with delves, we might have 1 more week of changes

[quick isle]

Thx, I am curious if I should lvl up some slayer or wait

[tawny tide]

Puro Puro is a bot fest. I went there just to tag all the rare imps for the surface and I couldn’t believe how crowded it was.

[tacit wharf]

the only hard part about jar generators is the nature imps and thats cuz all the bot catch them

[round lintel]

Slayer update

[tawny tide]

It could fortify moons armor

[chrome lantern]

Nah

Moons does not need defense

And should never get defense

That is quite literally its entire role

[tawny tide]

At a lvl 91 Hunter requirement it’s probably fine

[chrome lantern]

Otherwise it’s just Bandos with a repair fee

Nah

[tawny tide]

Yeah exactly

[chrome lantern]

That’s a massive problem lmao

[tawny tide]

Okay well you don’t have me convinced.

[chrome lantern]

Why would that be a good idea

Currently its role is that it’s insanely easy to get and has low defense stats and repair fees to compensate

If you make it have high defense it’s just the only thing you use until oath/torva

[tawny tide]

Yeah and you would have to get 91 Hunter to make it have better defense but still repair fees

[chrome lantern]

I hate to say this but

91 hunter isn’t very hard to get

[tawny tide]

…if you have 91 hunter

[true talon]

it already does that, no1 goes for bandos lol

[hard axle]

Moons is dirt cheap per hour.

It’s already 95% of bcp, so no reason to take its one use away which is defense.

[chrome lantern]

And if we take away looking at just ironmen too

[hasty shard]

ok but this is something jagex would do

[tawny tide]

It’s harder than just going and hitting moons

[chrome lantern]

You buy the 100gp fur

And move on

[hasty shard]

moons armour even existing shows they dgaf

[hard axle]

yep

[tawny tide]

Mains buy everything have fun mains idgaf

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I voted no on moons, huey, and so many other things

[tawny tide]

Also the fur goes up in price probably 🤔

[chrome lantern]

One of these days people will stop voting yes to everything

[hard axle]

Is that ur only response each time someone disagrees?

[tawny tide]

Maybe when it breaks you gotta refur it

[hasty shard]

i think dhw is fine now

[tawny tide]

Etube is an iron

[hasty shard]

took them obnoxiously long to make it fine

[chrome lantern]

There’s no way it goes anywhere above like 1k ea if you can get it in 10 seconds

[tawny tide]

Also I had a lot of responses before that lmao

[tawny tide]

Eh do mains get hunter any faster than irons

[hard axle]

[chrome lantern]

It’s fine power wise but huey isn’t worth doing for it on an iron and there’s nothing worth killing with it that doesn’t have better alternatives

[tawny tide]

I don’t think so? I wouldn’t know

[hasty shard]

faster ehp

drift net

[chrome lantern]

Why would that be relevant

[minor whale]

91 hunter is not some crazy grind to justify making Moons armor have better stats lmao

[chrome lantern]

And also yes

[tawny tide]

Because they’re the ones selling it

[minor whale]

Moons armor is already just as good at 95% of content, it doesn't need a defense boost as well

[tawny tide]

It’s more of a grind than moons

[minor whale]

And less of a grind than doing GWD

[tawny tide]

GWD sucks nuts

[minor whale]

It doesn't need a boost

[tawny tide]

Shouldn’t be the standard imo

[hasty shard]

moons also sucks do we need a shortcut for its gear too

[minor whale]

Yeah and if you want the benefits of the content you have to go do the content, not get the world's most iron-catering update of all time lmao

[tawny tide]

Anyway, whatever. I’m not going to keep saying what I think. I’ve made enough points.

[tawny tide]

Sorry bud Varlamore already dropped.

[minor whale]

"They already added iron-catering stuff so what's the harm in adding a whole lot more" is not a very convincing argument lmao

[chrome lantern]

Unfortunately Jagex has been dead-set on making the most iron-catering updates of all time

(Ironman btw)

[tawny tide]

Lmao lmao lmao lmao

[minor whale]

Yes I'm laughing at your suggestions and arguments

Good job! 😄

[true talon]

i dont find this to be true. while there are elements that benefit irons to updates. a lot of it is beneficial to all players.

The only one i will argue that was stictly iron catering is ingots and scar ess, but neither of those two things should have existed in the first place

[hasty shard]

ingot crafting lol

why did they not just remove them

😭

[hard axle]

Still think shopscape shouldn’t exist and true blood/true soul altars should be the peak of crafting, not scar essence

I’d rather blood runes and soul runes cost 800 gp for mains if demand is that hot.

[hard axle]

Idk, why don’t they just make jars untradeable and only useable if you have clog slot

since like 2014 lmao

[hasty shard]

yagek will rue the day

[obsidian venture]

Legit could have buffed rates at altars to compensate

[true talon]

they wouldnt be, bots would drive the price down to their floor price

[obsidian venture]

If you’re entire argument every time is “bots” then you’ve lost the plot

Yeah bots reduce prices. Thanks Sherlock

[chrome lantern]

They should’ve replaced all ingots with 40k or whatever they were worth at the time of update

[tacit wharf]

i mean rc and bots go hand in hand, easiest place to find them

[hard axle]

I don’t expect you to know this, but do you remember around pnm and hmt release?

blood runes peak at 420, which is 2x floor price.

Jagex just needs to purge them with prejudice

[chrome lantern]

I sold my blood runes on my main just before they announced/released both of those T.T

At 290

[obsidian venture]

Aether runes exist, yet look at cosmic and souls

[chrome lantern]

All the blood runes I made 77-99

[obsidian venture]

Price is way up

[hasty shard]

quick question how would they remove shopscape

in rs3 the shops just restock daily
which made shops dailyscape instead 😭

[hard axle]

0 stock.

You can still sell it, but you just can’t buy any, since buying it puts a price ceiling.

Price floors aren’t really an issue unless you produce an excessive amount and is psuedo high alch, which irons do post-99 or when they’re lazy as shit.

[hasty shard]

0 stock of water runes when goblins drop them !!

arceuus rework n they add wrath runes to the mage store there imagine

[obsidian venture]

Yeah you’d have to limit the stock and then compensate via training the skill

[tacit wharf]

and or monster drops

[obsidian venture]

Ye

Either way, scar was was a bandaid fix

[hasty shard]

tbh dentge on my end you can in fact just reduce stock 😭

[obsidian venture]

To a long term problem

[hasty shard]

i dont mind the actual essence mining part of it tbh

[hard axle]

You’ll never have a solution because some people don’t want to RC period, but still want to use magic. Personally think they’re playing the wrong game mode but

[tacit wharf]

fire runes for example, 100k fire runes is basically nothing while using a trident, as 1 kraken task uses pretty much all the charges in yr trident

[obsidian venture]

Decent amount are tbh

[hasty shard]

how many fire runes was yama going to drop again

[obsidian venture]

Mickey Mouse irons in 2025

[hard axle]

Actually a disgusting amount of items you can buy with GP on an iron

[hasty shard]

75k

[hard axle]

250k ackshually

baby melee voidwaker

[hasty shard]

why does arkan exist

[obsidian venture]

[hasty shard]

just one more dscim sidegrade bro it'll fix midgame

[obsidian venture]

Dw

Next year we will have more staves

Side grade to sidegrade

[hasty shard]

when do we just get the rs3 travelling merchant to buy BA points from

[plush gull]

so xzact can break their inferno wr without different strats

[minor whale]

We're also getting pre-bp bps lmao

[vestal anchor]

But when I mention “buff Arkhan blade” I get told it’s Ffiiiinnee

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1400477325346344960

Like bruh

[minor whale]

buffing it?

That's ludicrous lmao

[vestal anchor]

So it’s better than DScim or DSword or let it stab spec

It’s kinda useless rn

[plush gull]

gemstone crab dead content now, cant get full inv of gems on my day 1 iron

[tacit wharf]

what

[tacit wharf]

ren, shhh

[plush gull]

finally got to take advantage of "abuse early abuse often" i guess

[hasty shard]

tbh yeah

that change is dumb

gotta world hop like hell to get reliable dragonstones now

[obsidian venture]

Buffing it is a horrible idea

It’s way too good for costing 250k

[hasty shard]

doesnt it max like 86

[vestal anchor]

For what? I’m an IM and I can’t see like any use case for it

If the issue is PvP, give it a nerf like all the other PvP specific nerfs

[minor whale]

It's an incredible special attack weapon for being 250k lmao

[vestal anchor]

Also the buff I said is mostly a stab change

[obsidian venture]

It’s decent for pvm on budget, also can be better than burning claws in some cases

[minor whale]

Technically just free with the quest