game-update

[true talon]

i think 300m for side grade armor that is only bis with a 1.6b mega rare is a fine price point

[fossil epoch]

The problem there is that who this boss is catered to is such a broad lvl of players, there is a big difference between someone doing cg and inferno speed runners, which are both in this category.
So there will always be someone who isnt satisfied, and locking a wand thats supposed to be below shadow would be weird if it was the next inferno

[oblique mesa]

The target player for the delve boss seemed kinda vague since it was pitched too.

[fossil epoch]

Yep

Its locked behind a master lvl quest

[dire mango]

The tier of quest that gates it is never a good predictor of boss difficulty imo

And it shouldn't be

[true talon]

Also the bosses are designed as end game encounters and on their difficulty level they are. they are not there to cater to your speed running, tick saving obession. its there for you to find out how to do those things. not for the boss to have them developed in it. they will never develop with a mindset catering to that level of extremism. much like they wont cater to 1chunk hc uims. all these things are self inflicted problems.

Inferno on a base level is not that difficult and neither is colo. you can 50-50 get to sol without ever having to flick more than 1 monster lol

[dire mango]

Tob and inferno was developed without speedrunning and tick efficiency in mind, and it's some of the most popular content for said speedrunners. Jagex have made some of their best content when they're not thinking about "tick saving obsession" because there ends up being a lot of fun methods that arise from the base game mechanics interacting with the spesific boss mechanics.

[true talon]

i agree. but this victim complex of being oh this update is bad because its catering to irons with a dragon scimmie and labeled as end game lol.

its such a entitlement mentality that its beyond insane. that you think every single update that benefits irons without factoring in who else benefit as catering.

scar ess was actually an iron update and now its a main update as one of the best skilling money makers in the game

[swift ivy]

Guys is there a good spot to post a suggestion to the jmods in here about delve

[earnest marsh]

truuea, crafting aether runes is 8m an hour

[true talon]

game suggestions

[fossil epoch]

not really, just gotta be lucky for them to read it

I doubt the jmods responsible for delve is looking at game suggestions atm

[swift ivy]

I see. I posted this in my clan discord what's yalls thoughts

"The biggest pain point for me is that dying every kill during a grind feels really bad. But youre incentivised to keep dying because the loot is never worth claiming and the uniques are extremely rare. Theres no risk vs reward here, theres either a unique to claim or there isnt."~rando redditor

I agree with this and I really hope they tweak it a bit to give it a real risk vs reward aspect

The base loots never worth claiming and when you get an item it's never worth risking.

So there's no risk vs reward.

Colo implements better risk and reward bc for 1. If you get the echo crystals right before sol fight, they aren't super rare so it might be worth it to push on to finish it out. And 2. It shows you the next wave loot, so if you get b2b items, you could risk the first one to go for the 2nd

So I hope they take inspiration from colo and make some tweaks

[earnest marsh]

how to fix it, you cant see what rewards you gotten

untill you leave

so now you got risk

[swift ivy]

Yeah rhat could be good

[fossil epoch]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1398514566148657264

[true talon]

yep i also said this, there is no risk vs reward, because the base loot is so bad that you dont feel like you risk anything.
then the counter argument from people i spoke with is, "you risk extra unique chance from deeper levels" like what? you was going there anyways how is that a risk lol.

if i see a ralos on wave 10 and i have 100 sol kc, there is a extremely good chance i claim it an leave over risking a wave 11 death to bad spawn.

but if i choose to risk it, then that is risk vs reward

[swift ivy]

Yeah i feel there is a lot of people defending the loot mechanics which I don't understand

I was also hoping the rate would increase the further you went in. But it caps at lvl 8 odds right?

[true talon]

yes and everything past wave 8 is just dps skip the orb or die

[rare grotto]

ironman talking about entitlement is crazy

[swift ivy]

Yeah makes no sense, the drop rate should compound the further you make it

[fossil epoch]

I am sure that jagex have gathered ALOT of data of what people arent happy about, and we will see what they decide to do about is wednessday, which was varla bug fix patch day anyway

[swift ivy]

Yeah fair enough, sucks we have to wait until Wednesday, but I also don't want to overwork the jmods

the boss is fun, just the drop mechanics I don't find fun at all

[fossil epoch]

To a big extend the devs behind mokha gets to decide what they want to keep and what they want to update im pretty sure. So there is a 100% chance not everything and everyone gets their wishes. But there is for sure some mechanics that just seems like bugs/mistakes

[true talon]

lol see the wave 8 strat to bait him into the wall during car and afk flicking prayers

the rock setups got even crazier to cheese car to dps skip the orb

[fossil epoch]

Some of the fixes probably will take some time to fix, rather than just have them ready instantly

[true talon]

https://www.twitch.tv/synq/clip/TawdryArtsyCaterpillarGrammarKing-52ESFjKCkzb_sCUD

[fossil epoch]

The 1 tick delay on mage probably wont even have a fix for the coming week

[swift ivy]

Yeah the mage delay seemed like an engine problem

[true talon]

easiest fix is prob just make the grubs 1 hp an allow you to use trident or somethin to kill them

[swift ivy]

Yeah this tech is so nice and kinda op, on one hand having to place the rock is a slightly challenging/skilled mechanic (avoiding venom, flicking prayers, meleeing boss proc right after placing it etc)

On the other hand it kinda makes that part of the fight brain dead, so I wonder if they patch

[true talon]

i dont think reworking the mage autocast to be 1 tick is possible without drastically breaking something lol

[swift ivy]

Yeah most likely some 🍝

[true talon]

can give a powered staff small demonbane if they dont want to make grubs 1hp

i know the 2 hp is to force demonbane weps

but thats kinda pointless, when your smacking them slayer staff and dark light

These are easy fixes without having to just rework the code lol

[fossil epoch]

Yeh, it wont be a good fix, but its a fix.
But fixing it the correct way, means it wont be aproblem for future content aswell

[swift ivy]

Do yall think they should remove the rock block tech?

I'm thinking they should just keep it, it's not super easy to place there and bait him onto it so

[true talon]

yes this is clearly a bug

you bait him into corner and he no longer does anything?

the slam mechanic has so many problems

[rare grotto]

u just keep telling on urself

all u have to do is bow every 5t

slam doesn't even do that much dmg

brew range pot if u need to tank a hit

if anything this method takes more skill cause u have to set it up

[true talon]

you place one rock an then bait on that rock...... lol. slam dont do much damage, but its an endurance encounter you dont want to take avoidable damage. baiting him into the wall to avoid interacting with the mechanics (he is meant to dash 3times and fire projectiles each time) is clearly a bug.

The biggest benefit of this is it removes the need to setup proper baits and allows full dps uptime (allowing you to skip the one mechanic that will kill you, the orb)

[rare grotto]

whats the alternative

walk willy nilly and have him destroy all rocks before 3rd slam?

how does that fit ur narrative

[true talon]

im not talking about the delve tech which you setup 2 rocks and bait him properly, im talking about the new one were you setup 1 rock then stand on the wall negating the boss from doing the other 2 slams.

standing on the wall prevents the boss from moving

[meager flame]

i mean its not really endurance for most people

like if all i was doing was taking the occasional slam i'd be going in crazy on the streaks

its more like how long can you not actually die instantly unless you're playing very very well

[true talon]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1398634975678435409
Lemme know what you think of this, its somewhat the same as before however with a compromise and an more detailed reasoning on how this benefits everyone.

[placid finch]

I think there might be something wrong with the Earthbound Tecpatl. I have been trying to use them at Eclipse moon boss which is weak to stab I have the weapon on stab but the max hit ive seen in 5 kills is a 7. I think something might be wrong. I switch to other weapons and hitting 20s and 30s no problem

[thick beacon]

do u have tiles for this?

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I was just about to go hand-mark them after w1, would love an import

[true talon]

https://pastebin.com/iNXgdb5T

[thick beacon]

thats just for rock block tech?

[true talon]

ya

[thick beacon]

pog tyty

[true talon]

it dont show till wave 6

[sacred skiff]

Oh fancy, since cave swaps

That's actually really nice then cuz I couldn't have done it after w1 and would have forgotten after w6 lol

[hasty shard]

eclipse moon has positive flat armour, so double hit is exponentially worse there

tecpatl are like currently THE most useless weapon in the game lol

[nimble nexus]

Anyone know why i randomly get 250 offerings from a totem?

I dont do anything differently

[sacred cove]

Eclipse has 6 flat armor, the Tecpatl is a bad weapon for eclipse. Just use zombie axe.

So your max hit for each would be 13, but they are reduced by 6 so you only get 7

[placid finch]

darn I camped them right away hoping they would be great there since dual macuahuitls are so good at blue moon ty guys for the quick responses

[fossil epoch]

Yeh flat armor negative and positive is very important to know before using double hit weapons

6 flat armor is so high

[idle rapids]

this guy still getting invites to osrs events

[fossil epoch]

its his streamer house hosting the event?

[meager flame]

that guy would unfortunately be extremely popular with tons of osrs players anyways

[true talon]

this is a guy who has a lot of influence in gaming, hes someone you def want to be apart of your event

[meager flame]

hes kinda the worst sort of streamer personality lol but im not sure how to describe it

super reasonable and relatable to a lot of gamers in tons of ways and then the crazy kinda pops in

[sour kelp]

he needs to be put down

[zenith pike]

I don’t think

You can say that

[hard axle]

@true talon okay so

orb mechanic

it's not that bad

BUT

I wish it gave you bonus damage

like leviathan

[true talon]

its not that bad, but ya it dont reward you for doing it other than you not dying lol

[hard axle]

I got it wave 1 💀

[true talon]

l0l

[hard axle]

but yeah, it's really easy to practice

[true talon]

it gets way worst the deeper you go due to rocks and poison

[hard axle]

shoot far, shoot close in a straight line

run to close

[true talon]

its just not a good mechanic

[hard axle]

nah we wanna talk about bad mechanic, the fking melee shockwave from meleeing grubs is ass

as if melee wasnt punishing enough

[true talon]

there shouldnt be any melee grubs, its dumb. esp if they not gonna fix 1 tick mage

everyone gets triple melee grub on 8+ they just ignore them

[vestal cosmos]

If you have to step in acid to catch a melee grub it’s better to just tank the grub’s damage. Unfortunately every time a grub reaches Mokha the damage of further grubs increases for the rest of your run, just like acid keeps piling up.

[true talon]

i was wondering why those fuckers started hitting so hard

[vestal cosmos]

So that’s another scaling limit on how many times you can repeat F8.

[hard axle]

that explains so much

[true talon]

should be range an mage grubs only

[vestal cosmos]

Yeah it’s only mentioned in one place on the wiki strategy guide and it’s not immediately obvious on fighting the boss so it’s not well-known.

[zenith pike]

Or have grubs destroy other grubs upon explosion

[true talon]

i hate when a melee an mage grub stack otnop of each other

you go to click the melee grub but then cant click mage grub due to tick delay on mage attacks lol

[vestal cosmos]

(Yet more content requiring plugins) you can use the Custom Menu Swapper plugin to make all grubs take left-click priority over the boss, and also make mage grubs take priority over melee and ranged ones.

Going back to the earlier discussion about mains vs. irons, the first 4 or 5 floors are very easy compared to the deeper levels. Theoretically an Ironman with a rune crossbow could farm boots which will stay BiS for the next 10 years, or a main with a Heavy Ballista could score a billion GP and be set for near-endgame.

Both accounts have the potential for account-changing loot with patience and luck.

[zenith pike]

What was the main v iron about, how easy doom is for both accs?

[minor whale]

I think the mage grubs being the way they are is actually useful
The other grubs trigger attack delay on their death, meaning if you have a bunch in a row and then his shield is nearly charged, you'll tank a fat 99 from the charge
The blue ones you can attack Mokha -> hit blue on cool down, then immediately hit Mokha again

It's weird that it's different

But I think it's intentional

I've had some stacks where I only got saved by having a blue at the end

[fossil epoch]

I dont think its intentional, its just how regular spellbook spells work engine wise

so its more a, we made this mechanic and it is what it is

[minor whale]

For it to remove attack cool down at the very end seems intentional

[fossil epoch]

they did say they were working on finding a fix

[minor whale]

Else it'd be like the others and not do that

[fossil epoch]

its very clear that ranged is the superior worm weakness

[minor whale]

Ye ranged is the best for sure

Melee the worst

Mage is ok but throws ya

[vestal cosmos]

Mostly the usual rants about how Jagex does or doesn’t cater updates towards irons and how IM updates can affect main accounts by happenstance (eg. Soul Wars crate nerf making Scar Essence RC very profitable)

[minor whale]

The fact you can get instantly meleed if a melee grub triggers his shield to pop is hilariously stupid

[vestal cosmos]

Yeah the boss certainly looks staggered when you break the blue shield

[small anvil]

The others don't trigger attack delay

They just don't refresh it

[zenith pike]

I see

[small anvil]

So if you're 3 ticks from being able to range again, you hit grub then you're 2 ticks away from being able to normal range

Mage just requires you to be off attack cd to hit the mage grub

[vestal cosmos]

Manual casting Demonbane on the mage grubs zeros your attack cooldown?

[small anvil]

I don't think so

The thing is that the auto cast won't fire unless you're attack cd is up

[hard axle]

bro, I got hit by the shrapnel 5 b3b attacks in a row 😭

is there a solution for this?

[small anvil]

Melee grubs? Just make sure it's splashing boss

[hard axle]

no

the projectile in air

[small anvil]

Oh

Rock fall

[hard axle]

it drops a rock on ur current tile + also aoes in the surrounding area

[small anvil]

I don't know of a consistent dodge no

[vestal cosmos]

I feel like swapping to a staff and then clicking a mage grub is about the same effort as switching to Magic tab and manual casting at it.

[small anvil]

It's just different is the issue

Harder to do

And can't do multiple in a row easily

Harder to do when your brain is sorting out other grubs that want you on the inventory tab

I'm sure some gamers will learn it and start doing it

[vestal cosmos]

If I ever get around to trying F# keys I’ll probably only bother with Inventory, Magic, and Prayer tabs.

[small anvil]

There's also take offs in some gear

Like colo

And attack style in some things

But yes those are definitely the most important f keys

[true talon]

all grubs are 1 tick, besides mage.

[vestal cosmos]

Assuming you’re using F# keys (this is endgame content, Jagex probably expects you to be able to) it’s the same number of clicks to staff swap and autocast as to manual cast. It is much more difficult without keybinds though.

[true talon]

Nox said the 1 tick mage grub is a bug, but its a difficult one.

[small anvil]

Time to break ba again

[true talon]

They should just reduce the grubs to 1 hp and call it a day

[vestal cosmos]

I can’t think of any content of the top of my head that requires style switching that frequently, although I guess some people may prefer the manual spec bar over the spec orb.

[true talon]

Also get rid of melee grubs, they are a detriment to your run and can end it without you being able to do anything

besides go bath in venom lol

[earnest marsh]

also why do you need demonbane spells to kill the small monsters?

seems just weird forced

gameplay

[vestal cosmos]

Yeah probably, there’s not much difference between autocasting Demonbane or a powered staff. Needing Melee Demonbane is a non-issue but Scorching Bow is an artificial requirement.

[small anvil]

Use twinflame staff on it 🙃

[true talon]

doesnt work, it only hits things twice that has elemental weakness

[small anvil]

Oh dang

[vestal cosmos]

Doesn’t that only work if they have an element weakness🙃

[true talon]

i know it works in pvp

so maybe im wrong

[small anvil]

Ya I thought it just auto selected for weakness

But the double hits was built in

[vestal cosmos]

Only if it has one, and the double hit requires one

[small anvil]

It works

Additionally, when casting elemental spells (excluding Strike and Surge), the staff will fire off two spells at once; the second hit will land one tick after the first, dealing 40% of the damage dealt by the first, rounded down.

Elemental weakness is not required

Smh my head spreading misinformation

[vestal cosmos]

Ah okay, I didn’t know either 🙂

[true talon]

from what i seen attacking a grub with a non demonbane wep puts you on attack delay

as i tried tbow shooting them

[small anvil]

I don't think it does

[true talon]

as in after you hit them with tbow your on attack delay

[small anvil]

But I haven't tested

[thick beacon]

as always u lose thralls+dc therefore

[vestal cosmos]

One of the best parts of RS is that, with enough skill, theoretically any player could beat any content with arbitrarily bad gear. Basically hard-requiring a scobow, even for an endgame boss, hurts that.

[thick beacon]

honestly though thralls feel wierd here i dont like thralls causing more acid

[last onyx]

Release doom drop rates please

[thick beacon]

imo scobo is not that much of a standard for endgame content

[vestal cosmos]

I know it’s not a very difficult requirement but a hard req for the second-BiS bow is odd.

[true talon]

prob something like 1/1k for wave 2-3-4 then 1/500 for 8+

[thick beacon]

its not a hard req u just take 1 extra tick longer

u can still kill grubs without demonbane

and grubs dont punish u very much for missing them either

[fossil epoch]

usually takes 2 weeks atleast before we get those

and it seems very hard to collect data for the wiki because of the wave mechanic

[vestal cosmos]

I know it’s not a true hard req, but having to dart/knife each green grub twice is way too much attention in the later waves. It’s fine for the early floors but floor 6+ is too chaotic.

[last onyx]

Yupp, but if the drops is as rare as it seems they might as well just give us the data

[vestal cosmos]

They don’t punish you very much at the beginning at least. Every grub you miss will cumulatively increase further grubs’ damage for the rest of your run.

I’m wondering: does attacking the grubs without Demonbane while on attack cooldown reset your delay to what your current weapon is, or just increase your attack delay?

[tacit wharf]

this doesnt make sense, there is precedent of when they give rates, doesnt matter how rare or common they are

[vestal cosmos]

Or can you only cooldown-skip with Demonbane anyway?

[fossil epoch]

Why does the drops being rarer warent them to already release the data? not sure i follow why thats an argument for it

[pearl tangle]

WHAT

Good to know

[hard axle]

ive been purging speccing it

2t instead of 5

[true talon]

this prob aint bad

[last onyx]

Because it's starting to be quite a few players with total delves close to 1k with zero drops x)

[hard axle]

but its more clicks

[true talon]

im sick of this boss and if you dont skip orb or get triple red on spawn, you just die or punished heavily

[earnest marsh]

just have tbow 😮

[tacit wharf]

skill issue

[true talon]

i have one but it dont hit lol

[hard axle]

issue is the rocks sometimes clear too badly

orb is okay

post change

[chrome lantern]

Wait I’m confused

[true talon]

you have to get all the worms or else you die lol red ones walk in venom non stop, blue ones delay your attacks

[chrome lantern]

What do people mean 5t mage grub

I can attack the tick after I demonbane a mage larva

[true talon]

you cant attack the mage grub if your ona ttack delay already like the others

[chrome lantern]

Oh yeah that’s true

I was just confused why purging spec was mentioned

Because that wouldn’t help

[true talon]

true actually

[chrome lantern]

So was trying to clarify

But yeah purging staff was the first item I dropped from my setup

[hard axle]

oh?

i ran into some delay so i figured

maybe skill issue

[chrome lantern]

Yeah with all weapons I’ve tried

Also psa if not already

Use middle tier demonbane

Cheaper, same effect, harder to brew down under

[minor whale]

I've just been bringing serp, helps massively with not worrying too much about getting the melee grubs

You take 5/tick

But better than constantly being venomed/poisoned the whole fight and chugging sanfews

Plus it helps with the melee punish a tiny bit

[true talon]

you gotta get the grubs, because letting them in increases all the grub damage for your entire run

[minor whale]

Ye that's what I'm saying

Serp means I get them all regardless, poison or not, makes it much less of a worry

[true talon]

serp dont make you immune to the puddles, just removes venom. you still take damage from puddles.

[minor whale]

It's 5/t and you don't need to be on them for more than a few ticks at most. Preventing the big venom splat/poison recurring is quite useful

The worst part about melee minions is just that he can melee you while you melee them

Getting hit a 40 because you're trying to do the mechanics correctly feels bad

[chrome lantern]

I’ve heard people saying the grub damage scales up but I swear it still does 6 damage getting all of them through wave 7

[hasty shard]

the melee happens so fucking often i swear

he can 2t melee later delves i think 😭

he can also 1t melee you exiting shield phase

the animation doesnt even go through you just get slapped a shadow 50

[pearl tangle]

Here’s a question I don’t see anyone talking about but when this fucker starts the melee punish off rip and I can’t even react and d warhammer spec him… uh… did his… def drop?

[hasty shard]

i believe so, also means its guaranteed

[pearl tangle]

Well that’s kinda nice!

[earnest vigil]

grubs hitting me 18s on wave 12

[hard axle]

Mine was hitting me 11s on wave 7 or some shit

[earnest vigil]

im just happy theres finally a boss that isnt a one day completion

irons gotta grind again

[hard axle]

The more I do this boss, the more I think it is pretty fair tbh

Aside from base loot

but that’s also been warped beyond belief due to recent loot tables

[obsidian venture]

Base loot is fine tbh

They could tweak it if they really want but for 10m of work it’s chillin

[hasty shard]

it having spirit seeds on a primary is so funny

[obsidian venture]

I believe it’s good to not have insane loot at the start of an update

Start low and adjust as needed

[hard axle]

Yep, especially when the trend is that if base loot is good, uniques won’t be worth much long term.

[true talon]

there was no bosses that was like this, dont be stupid lol.

you cant even 1 day royal titans unless giga spoon

[fossil epoch]

Its kinda insane how you will just have people complain no matter what.
Yama: "Loot way to common", then after nerf, "Loot still way too common"
Mokha: "Loot way to rare, we demand to know the droprates"

of course those are not the same people

but still

[tacit wharf]

typically why i just pull up a chair after updates and 🍿

[fossil epoch]

Way better to start off with worse loot and buff later, people who farm it early still get the insane unique prices, and you dont risk ruining something with insane rates, and dont punish people who werent fast enough

[earnest vigil]

royal titans all minus pet is like 500 kc maximum ( I think its closer to 300 ) and ehb is 55 kph so its like a 9 hour for all items minus pet

[tacit wharf]

not even a 12hrs sess

[true talon]

funny how ehb is used or time to complete, but dont factor in realistic gameplay

[earnest vigil]

because its realistic

[true talon]

yama was 60 hours, it took me 1725 kills and about 2 months

My main issue with delves is they dont do what they set out to.
They are not high risk vs high reward, they are no risk (base loot is trash, best gear is void) for high reward (you leave soon as you see a unique)
pushing deeper is not about skill or execution, its about cheese and dps rushing and rng on if you get 3 red grubs vs 3 green or 3 blue.
Its about executing your dps skip strategy and then probably dying if you dont meet the check.

Boss is fun, its good mechanically it has massive levels of jank holding it back.

utilizing the scythe to punish the boss hurts your progression, because it spawns more venom, using thralls spawns more venom. the holy water mechanic does not seem to actually work.

[nimble nexus]

Unpopular opinion: just play the game

[hard axle]

it's used to compare because it's often the objective measure because you can and never will agree on what is the "average" setup.

[thick beacon]

ye i dont see issue with base loot uniques are the a big draw imo

and should be enough

[hard axle]

I'm not even kidding. This shit was a problem in WDR when morons were arguing for this should be reduced min-gear (they've reduced like half the of min gear over the course of WDR existence)

Even if you did all untradeables, someone will say "oh but that's slightly better and only 1 hour more"

Whereas BIS and EHB is objectively the ceiling

some people will say to use bowfa as the middle ground for calculations, others will say that's too high.

[hard axle]

play the game, but do point out the pain points

[earnest vigil]

once you "figure out the boss" all the jank goes away in fairness

everything is predicatable/controllable

[hard axle]

dont be one of those people who don't play the game but echo what faux says when it's wrong

[true talon]

yes parking the boss in the corner to avoid him from moving and having to deal with most the mechanics an then dps checking it so you can skip the one jank mechanic is indeed figuring out the boss

[nimble nexus]

Im one of those ppl who play the game and accept the fact its never gonna be perfect

¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[earnest vigil]

havent died to jelly in 50 delves

its solved

[tacit wharf]

oh what did faux say that is wrong? hard to follow with multiple convo's going

[true talon]

solved and functional are two different things lol

[earnest vigil]

jelly is 100% working perfectly

[hard axle]

oh, this was a meme from years ago

[tacit wharf]

ahh

[hard axle]

where he took a look at the nerfed bp, and said "oh so post-nerf ddart bp is going to do less damage than pre-nerf bronze dart bp"

and redditors and idiots here were running with it

[hard axle]

This is the problem with your takes and this exists for all content that has been recently released.

You think donofly and melee Yama is not functional and shouldn't exist

[true talon]

i think it shouldnt exist, because it invalidates the bosses difficulty. not because its not functional. it allowed dps to bypass mechanics, making the boss a lot easier than it should be. regardless of what you say the skill level of donofly is, its just bandos tile running.

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-rest-my-case-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-my-point-exactly-i-prove-my-point-gif-20021831

[true talon]

functional i mean is the jelly earth is rng were it spawns, it can path you though venom, it can go around rocks, it can not protect you at all. there are a lot issues with the orb mechanic.

it can also spawn the orb on other side of the room, even if you set the tether far an then get near the closest point

[hard axle]

Uh, how does orb spawn on other side of room

You choose where it spawns

[tacit wharf]

jelly is the invincibility orb yes?

[hard axle]

the only issue that I can see is the duration + size

[meager flame]

i mean i dont think thats whats wrong with orb honestly

[true talon]

it can also walk and sometimes run

[hard axle]

at 5 shockwaves, the orb basically has no downtime

[true talon]

its incosisent and bad

[meager flame]

i think the biggest problem with orb is that its really asking people a lot when its going well

[dire mango]

Are you really arguing that not doing a fly-method for Yama is harder than doing one..?

[meager flame]

and also making people figure out the sometimes unintuitive movement and getting unfortunate setups with it

is a little bit too much

[true talon]

no

[meager flame]

i would just give people the same rock layout over and over

and let them decide how they're gonna do orb

[dire mango]

Then what is your point? Learning a better method gives you more dps. Crazy how that works

[meager flame]

i also think it sorta sticks out from the other mechanics in a weird way

[dire mango]

You're rewarded for putting in the effort

[hard axle]

I've brought this up to him before and with his same logic, he thinks doing the Kirby diagonal L skip should be removed too.

You know, the one that lets you skip 2/3 bombs and the Shadow X

[meager flame]

like

[hard axle]

And that everyone uses for Yama Contracts and even base Yama

[meager flame]

i dont really think there should be one mechanic/moment in a boss fight that isn't even locked in and going to happen

that's 10x harder than anything else the boss will ever make you do

i feel like thats just a goofy setup from jagex

if it were guaranteed to happen every time it would be different

[true talon]

i never said this

[meager flame]

oh your dps sucks this attempt? well i have a surprise for you buddy

idk if thats really great lol

[true talon]

its not and its why deep deleving is just dps skipping it with cheese and hoping to not get to many red worms in a row

[hard axle]

I've brought it up to you several times and you ignore it each time because it's a mage method

but it's functionally the same as donofly

where you bypass mechanics

by clicking a predetermined tile

and there's a visual indicator for when to click

[meager flame]

but yeah idk i think if they were trying to make it perfect

i'd probably make the orb phase happen every boss attempt but also make it super consistent so that you always knew where the rocks would be

and could plan how you were going to do it based on where poison was etc

that would make good dps attempts a bit harder but make bad ones potentially a little less insane

[obsidian venture]

Exactly

[earnest vigil]

shit its a 4 day boss 😦 better than 1 i suppose

[hard axle]

gz gz

[tacit wharf]

share, i tbed

[obsidian venture]

Lost cause

[hard axle]

me trying to catch the holy water is impossible

[obsidian venture]

Even reading through the cancer chatting way above, it’s funny how folks don’t understand the irons impact to the economy and how game balance works

But of course it’s from two irons so wcyd

[vestal cosmos]

I’m wondering, should players be able to bring Legends’ Quest Holy Water and cleanse acid between waves? It’s an untradeable that’s a pain to make in bulk, so bots can’t exploit it and mains have to decide how much time they want to spend making holy water vs fighting the boss.

[chrome lantern]

It just took me until now to realize

When people meant grub ramps up

They mean damage on you

I always assumed they meant damage on boss

I now understand

Was confused because I never let them in so never noticed

But got annoyed because I thought other people were slamming boss with them but I wasn’t

[hasty shard]

i swear its just broken i've gotten to the shadow like twice now and no proc

[hard axle]

basically just stand still and pray

[earnest vigil]

lmao

this shit it too common

[hard axle]

[hasty shard]

ragebaiting

https://clips.twitch.tv/FastAlertLocustStoneLightning-ujsIaW1_q4oSfMA8

this is cinema

[true talon]

L0l

he handled it well, but the boss is bull shit when that happens lol

[hasty shard]

this is literally 1:1 my reactions going for 8 delve

[true talon]

its like if awakened vard and leviathan had a baby

[warm axle]

Is the atlatl fletching actually good compared to just running moons, assuming optimal setups?

id imagine killing custodia stalkers would probably be the bigger pain given that its not really something youd want to do otherwise unlike the fletching minigame

[vestal cosmos]

Eventually they will appear on Slayer lists, especially if we get a Varlamore SM, so you will start to accumulate atlatl tips passively that way. Considering the antlers are 100 tips each from a 1/15 drop it seems pretty fair.

[last onyx]

wtf hahaha

[warm axle]

Yeah, I don't think it would even be a slayer task I would do though, would prob just be a skip

[hasty shard]

pretty good xp task later on but eh

[tacit wharf]

there is 1 barrage spot

[warm axle]

i havent actually checked out the area yet, is this for the elder stalkers?

[tacit wharf]

yes, in the sw corner

[warm axle]

seems pretty awful that the droprate for elders is half that of the other two as well

ill prob just kill the juveniles unless they dont respawn fast enough

It seems quite unlikely you ever get more atlatl darts from fletching them than by doing moons if you value the time equally. I think the only real benefit of fletching them is that you're likely getting far more xp, both combat and fletching. Using very rough napkin math it's probably 30-40% slower though in terms of pure darts

I suppose that's a reasonable tradeoff because it's pretty bad to keep doing moons after you get the gear you need from it, but still somewhat disappointing given how high the fletching req is

[tender harness]

Fletching req is fine

Skill is comedically easy to level. Jagex should do more higher level req stuff

[warm axle]

It'd make sense if the reward were better like amethyst darts for instance

[tacit wharf]

what

why would attle darts be better than amethyst darts

[warm axle]

They're not lmao

That's my point

[tacit wharf]

they shouldnt be even close

[tough nacelle]

I think donofly is sick, I just dislike melee for p1 and 2 since if he hits you with red orb and black wave at a shit time it’s easy to get k.od

Donofly is really fun

[tough nacelle]

Not in damage

In quantity he means

Which isn’t that crazy of a take imo

[warm axle]

Esp considering you have to use a str cape for the atlatl setup it's pretty pitiful in terms of the ammo upkeep you get from fletching them

Given that you need to combine two uncommon drops just to get them to begin with

[tacit wharf]

what do u mean quant? like 1 to 1 per resource?

[warm axle]

Time invested

[tough nacelle]

I haven’t done the mini game so I have no opinion

[tacit wharf]

hmm, k

[tough nacelle]

But it’s a cool weapon that skips the need for bowfa for irons so the more sustainable it is the better imo

[warm axle]

You're probably getting like 600 or 700 darts an hour optimally

[tough nacelle]

Does avas pick them up

Or is it like javelins

[warm axle]

Yes

But ava's isnt really good with it

since you want fire or infernal cape

[tacit wharf]

i mean during the moon's grind, u do get an insane amount of attl darts

[tough nacelle]

Ahhh yeah

That’s a bit slow

But nothing absurd

I wish they just had a chance to not be consumed

Regardless of avas

[warm axle]

That is my entire point, moons shouldnt be giving more darts/hr than the fletching activity

[small anvil]

I think the point made here is that the fletching activity gets not many atlatl darts per hour

And thus isn't a great method for specifically obtaining darts

[warm axle]

the primary output of moons is the gear, the primary output of fletching darts should be darts

as well as xp of course

[tacit wharf]

but you compansate for that with higher fletching xp/hr at the minigame

darts are more of a byproduct of it

[tender harness]

Think the point is skilling still fucking sucks for anything because jagex refuses to make anything decent for skilling

[warm axle]

still have to slog through killing stalkers on top of that

[small anvil]

I feel like darts aren't the reason the activity was made

It was made for an alternative fletching method

Especially one irons would like

And they were like oh we could toss darts on there

[warm axle]

yeah i think its a joke that running some boss gives you better output for what should be a skill reward than actually doing the skill

[tough nacelle]

I think irons should be able to use the weapon in a reasonable way via

Skilling

I’d rather they allow avas effect to apply to infernal cape as a reward from the minigame

[tacit wharf]

that it the sacrifice u have if u want the str bonus

[tough nacelle]

But it’s already not a strong weapon

It’s just decent

We’re not talking game breaking gear here

[sinful field]

that would be broken

[tough nacelle]

Could also just offer reduced xp for more darts

But I don’t think it would be OP

Maybe unnecessary

Just letting skilling be a good option would work too lol

[warm axle]

I think having to lose a lot more darts in exchange for slightly more str is a reasonable tradeoff if there's a great way to get darts

I actually think the ent branch part of it isn't the problem, it's the antlers, since you can trade in research points for more branches and exchange extra fletching knives/spools

[earnest marsh]

man i hate when devs arent saying if we will get more summer sweep up changes

they said were getting skilling and slayer changes

should i expect no skilling changes?

[chrome lantern]

There were only supposed to be 2 parts so unless they say otherwise I’d assume we’re about to be done sweeping

Unfortunately

[true talon]

Think the combat portion was pretty massive part of their plan

and the slayer stuff was small touch ups

[earnest marsh]

Yee, weird

[last onyx]

I believe skilling was mentioned so would assume that they're not done, hopefully some exp buffs to agility & RC : )

[earnest marsh]

They did agility last year

So proboly no changes there

But ye, I hope RC get a bit xp rates buffed!

Or add in some new altars

Same with woodcutting also

[shy sentinel]

Next Boot Upgrade: Avernic Treads + Aranea AAboots

[jagged marsh]

This is total horse shit and Wednesday cannot come sooner

[earnest marsh]

whats the problem?

[jagged marsh]

Look at the clip

[earnest marsh]

ye looking at it

[jagged marsh]

It keeps launching double sets

[earnest marsh]

wave 10 supposed to be aids and hard?

[jagged marsh]

With no cooldown

[earnest marsh]

ahh its double set

seems like hes doing it tho

[jagged marsh]

It just needs a cooldown so it doesn't fire them back to back to back to back to back

Yeah because hes one of the best players in the game

[earnest marsh]

how many waves are there?

[jagged marsh]

But you can feel his anguish

[jagged marsh]

8 and then it repeats

[earnest marsh]

harder each wave after 8?

[jagged marsh]

Its an enrage boss, each level adds new mechanics and damage and hp

It caps out at enrage 8

But you can keep repeating level 8

You get the full unique table at level 4 but later waves have better rates and more rolls on the table

[vestal cosmos]

It’s not directly harder but it is indirectly more difficult because there’s more acid on the floor and leaking grubs will scale their damage when future grubs reach the boss.

[tacit wharf]

lvl 6, as that is when pet can show

[true talon]

Dunno if this is true for the unique table, but the base loot table rolls 1-2 times per the wiki

im comfy doing wave 7s on sharks.

going deeper seems not worth it at all

But 8+ seems to be the same strat, beat the dps check or die XD

[hasty shard]

it is saying something when someone is tilting even when doing the mechanic right

[true talon]

boss feels about as fair as enrage vardorvis in terms of mechanic spam

you know that 1 awakened vard that spawns axes directly on you non stop an disables your prayer 8 times in a row while dashing every other attack lol

[hasty shard]

thats def not as bad cause theres not as much compounding imo

you just click back and forth on an 8t cycle

mokh can go shit acid start -> shield -> orb -> melee grubs -> shield again

or any other bs combo really lol

[jagged marsh]

yeah as a game designer, i'm watching this clip with my hands on my head like "oh no dude"

[hasty shard]

vard is just axes -> root/head ad nauseum

I don't think i ever tilted doing awakeneds fwiw

8 delve was hypertilt

[jagged marsh]

really the double sets just need a cooldown

[hasty shard]

theres a looot of unpolished stuf

melee grubs just do not play well with the fact that the boss can fucking 2t melee 50's 😭

that and rag tiles

it'd be cool if melee grubs only spawn if a shield phase is incoming (and also let you anticipate said shield phase occurring)

so you can slap them safely

cause like actually what are you meant to do against triple melee grubs in most scenarios

[tender harness]

did they fix the sheer amount of yellow clicks yet

[true talon]

dont think its very fair you can be massively shafted by triple red grub, basically forced to let them go in.

when shield phase ends all grubs should die.....

[jagged marsh]

theyre working on a patch for wednesday

[true talon]

i dunno why the fuck they still out lol

they just get eaten by the car

and heal the boss

[tender harness]

also kind of suprised varlamore doesnt have a spirit tree

[ember token]

that might be for lore/thematic reasons

spirit trees are a gnome thing and every patch is looked after by a gnome, and there's no gnomes on varlamore

[dire mango]

Maybe the soil does not contain the nutrition that spirit trees need.

[tacit wharf]

enviroment is hostile to the spirit tree's

[dire mango]

Ye, they thrive on gnome burial grounds.

[true talon]

Falling rocks, shouldnt do damage when the boss is dead....

[vestal cosmos]

I mean it makes sense that rocks that are already falling would keep falling even when the boss that dropped them dies.

But I can totally understand dying to the one mechanic that doesn’t cancel on boss defeat would be frustrating

[vestal cosmos]

How exactly does the boss’s melee attack trigger? Maybe the boss should be changed to not be able to melee you for two ticks whenever it’s hit by a grub explosion.

Or maybe even only let the boss melee you if you stand next to it for two ticks in a row, making full Scythe kills feasible. If the boss can only melee after two ticks you can basically Woox walk it.

[sacred skiff]

Omg Moki meleeing you frame 1 after another mechanic ending is so frustrating

[true talon]

yes

[sacred skiff]

Like bruh this was the only path I could send the orb, chill out

[true talon]

stupid melee grubs man

[sacred skiff]

I don’t even bother popping them under him unless it’s shield phase now

[vestal cosmos]

Add a Demonbane halberd 🙃

[sacred skiff]

But I’m up to clearing 6 consistently and 7 a little over half the time now! I’m enjoying learning the boss

[last onyx]

Godswords with demonbane when

[sacred skiff]

Not bothering with 8 without tbow/zcb though

[vestal cosmos]

Have you seen the tech to bait the rock spawns to cheese the car slams?

[sacred skiff]

Hehe absolutely

Definitely exploiting the hell out of Park the Car before that’s removed

But I’m iron with scobow and BP so I rarely skip the orb phase even when I Park him

[vestal cosmos]

BP sounds like super good DPS during car phase (100% acc)

[sacred skiff]

Yeah it’s solid. Would be solid-er if I stopped skimping and used ddarts instead of amy

Dang Moki is just such a fun boss though. More interesting than Yama

Plus I pulled pet today on like my 4-5th wave 7 clear today which was neat

My luck is always on pets, then i wait forever for the useful uniques

[vivid ruin]

Yeah like when you kill zebek and his attacks stop doing damage. I agree

[warm axle]

abuse early abuse often 😔

[sacred skiff]

™️

The Moki rocks are weird though because Moki’s other attacks don’t hit you after. It’s just the darn rocks

They’ve almost killed me when I was camping low hp lol

[sacred oracle]

yeah, it feels like a bug

you shouldn't have to remember which attack isn't nulled when the boss is dead

they should all be: it's dead

[sacred skiff]

I also don’t think it feels good when Moki switches to shield phase, and it often nulls your attack and stops you from attacking so you have to click again

That killed me several times while I was still figuring out stuff

[exotic barn]

Agree, I wish it stopped you attacking during the normal melee punish shield phase so you don't waste an attack

The reason it stops you from attacking when blue shield charge phase starts is because its an entirely different NPC lol it's weird, IDK if the stopping of attacking is intentional or just a bi-product of that

[sacred skiff]

That’s what I figured, it’s just silly

Found that out trying to mark him with the plugin lol

[exotic barn]

Interestingly, your previous attack might not have gotten nulled the damage may have gone through to the bosses "main" body but I haven't tested to see

Yeah same

[sacred skiff]

The stopping of attacking does make it a bit more difficult sometimes, so maybe intentional? Like when you need to dodge the bolder hits but also he’s charging the ole death beam

[sacred skiff]

That would make me feel better lol

[exotic barn]

Yeah they might keep that I honestly don't mind it I'm used to it by now, I just really want the same treatment for the melee punish shield

Wasting attacks on protect range feels bad and really clunky

Even if you react instantly to the prayer sometimes your attack has just gone off so you gotta wait to dodge boulder and hit with melee to break the shield

I do love the boss fight overall though could just do with some tweaks to make it feel better, that ^ and needing to wait for mage attacks are my only 2 real gripes with the fight

[true talon]

god yes lol

putting yourself on attack delay because he decided to melee punish is so annoying

[sacred skiff]

Non-0t mage is really annoying yeah

When’s that update that will make pet reclaims free? I’ve accidentally lost two now to Moki and I don’t want to spend 1m on them so I’m having to bring out the reserves

Was it polled yet, or am I just remembering a blog?

[exotic barn]

Not polled I don't think it's going to be polled either thru just haven't updated it or announced when

Soontm

[sacred oracle]

i've been wondering if that's a bug too tbh

why would two weapons be 0t but one not be?

maybe it gets fixed wednesday

[exotic barn]

Yeah I think it's just because its a spell being cast, things like trident are 0t, I believe I heard they've commented on it and are working on a fix

[true talon]

they said its a massive problem with auto cast magic

the simple fix is just to remove the demonbane aspect on the grubs and allow any wep to kill them in 1 hit

youd still need to swap demonbane to stop the boss

[young iris]

anyone know timeframe for slayer update

[tacit wharf]

sometime after this wed

[meager flame]

im just interested in seeing their changes

[vestal cosmos]

So the block list change isn’t out yet?

[meager flame]

no

[tacit wharf]

no

though i do hope they nuke the turael blocklist

[vestal cosmos]

Once I actually go do quests to unlock slots I’m gonna go crazy with Wildy Slayer 😄

[vestal cosmos]

What do you mean?

[tacit wharf]

they dont give turael a blocklist

[vestal cosmos]

But I wanna block monkeys and hands and stuff that requires traveling

[tacit wharf]

why would u buff something that they should actively be trying to get people away from doing

[vestal cosmos]

My character is overweight or something, don’t look at my 73 Agility out of 1500 total

I hate traveling to Egypt for Slayer tasks

[vestal cosmos]

I might be misremembering but didn’t the blog specifically mention improving Turael skipping? I might be misremembering though.

[tacit wharf]

yes and its fkin stupid

[vestal cosmos]

It is a dumb mechanic but it’s a dumb mechanic that helps people
So removing/nerfing such a common method will probably get more backlash than it’s worth

[tacit wharf]

that doesnt make sense

[vestal cosmos]

What I mean is, I wouldn’t buff it if I were in charge of Jagex, but since it exists already it’s not worth removing it

[tacit wharf]

to keep something that is detrimental to a skill just for the sake of upsetting the people that complain about everything

[vestal cosmos]

Theoretically the reason it was added is “this metal dragons task is way too hard Turael, can you cut me a break”

[tacit wharf]

but the task isnt too hard, its im lazy, i dont wanna do it cuz x is bad ehp

[vestal cosmos]

But people figured out that it also works as “this wyrms task is too boring Turael, can you cut me a break”

[tacit wharf]

so instead of it being a crutch now, its a fking wheelchair

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-pixar-what-do-you-want-to-do-disney-something-gif-16045129

[vestal cosmos]

The downside of skipping is you stop getting slayer points but if you don’t care about those it’s basically free

[tacit wharf]

thats not a downside

cuz u have turael

[vestal cosmos]

Exactly, the majority of the playmate doesn’t care about slayer points so it’s not a real downside for them

[tacit wharf]

so who cares about slayer pts

so what do u do

force them to care about slayer points or get a crappy turael task

[vestal cosmos]

I agree it’s a bad mechanic, but it’s not worth fighting people who want faster Slayer XP over removing it.

[tacit wharf]

and why isnt it worth fighting ove

over

just cuz yr going to upset a fraction of teh playerbase who'll continue on as they were anyways after a few weeks

[vestal cosmos]

People fought hard about the blowpipe nerf but it was necessary for game balance. People will fight for their 10% more Slayer xp/hr but it’s not a crucial change.

That’s what I mean by not worth removing it

[tacit wharf]

comparing to vastly different things there bud

one is an overpowered weapon that need to be nerfed for game balance

other is a slight inconvenience

[vestal cosmos]

Blowpipe made Slayer like 50% faster and made bosses way easier, but Turael skipping is a very minor buff compared to doing Slayer the intended way

[sacred oracle]

why would you try to actively get people away from doing the thing that the slayer master is for?

that's ridiculous

[tacit wharf]

im not, im saying that he doesnt need to be buffed with having a blocklist

[vestal cosmos]

That’s the whole point, people will fight over small nerfs nearly as hard as over big nerfs.

[sacred oracle]

if that is the case, should all the slayer masters except this one get a blocklist?

[tacit wharf]

u wanna skip fine, but u dont get to water down what he can assign you

[vestal cosmos]

It’s not a linear nerf amount : rage amount scaling

[sacred oracle]

it would be rather odd if every other master got a blocklist except this one

[vestal cosmos]

Blowpipe nerf was necessary enough to be worth the backlash, nerfing Turael isn’t so important

[tacit wharf]

its already odd that he can skip other slayer masters tasks cuz "too hard"

[sacred oracle]

that's not odd, that's the feature

that's the point of the slayer master

that's what it does

[tacit wharf]

cool, doesnt mean he has to have a block list

cuz "feature"

[sacred oracle]

okey dokey

well it's happening, and i'm happy about it

will be super nice to be able to block some of the more annoying turael tasks

i've had my block list planned since minutes after the announcement

just wish i had one more slot so i could block crawling hands, too, but we take what we can get

[sacred oracle]

monkeys is a super fast task, not worth blocking

tp to mm2 monkeys and chin them

whole task over in like 2 minutes

[earnest marsh]

Lizards are also fine right?

[celest sail]

Lizards slow

[sacred skiff]

Lizards are n2b in the karuulm cave, can cannon + bp them and don’t need to use water coolers

It’s a bit of a walk though, esp if you don’t have whatever kourend diary level gives you unlimited teleports there

[last onyx]

Can someone please add a cooldown to the stupid b7b boulders at Delve please and the b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b melee punish

[hard axle]

Feels like awakened Vard

Just surviving until next car
Phase

[fossil epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/smr27IO.png

Love this part

[amber willow]

Hey does anyone know when DMM will be this year? I’m really exited to play, been itching… but I don’t see any info on DMM :((

[fossil epoch]

This is the only info we have

[obsidian finch]

think thyell shadow drop leagues on us?

[fossil epoch]

no

Not only didnt they announce it, they have also said no

RS3 has leagues this year

[obsidian finch]

oh i didnt see that, on twitter?

[fossil epoch]

Nah just jmods getting asked in reddit and the discord

[sterile breach]

anyone had 2 projectiles hit them on the same tick (unavoidable damage)? the bosses melee projectile bundled in with the boulder 3 piece, i got a clip of it but cant upload it here lol

[tiny epoch]

did u get meleed

[sterile breach]

think so yep just before it

[tiny epoch]

i feel its like triple jad his melees a diff timer & can sametick stuff

or something

[sterile breach]

still would of thought it wouldnt bundle it in hey, wild asf

[nocturne solstice]

I've had 2 projectiles hit at the same time. Usually just unlucky with a boulder coming down and the boss doing an auto. Doesn't happen often though.

I usually just end up tanking the hit and eating up.

[verbal yoke]

has there been any official acknowledgement on the larva arrows bug? Think we'll get a fix before wednesday?

[earnest marsh]

bro wtf

is up with blasck chins

[nocturne solstice]

That feels like naming and shaming so imma delete that

[earnest marsh]

so many bots

[nocturne solstice]

There are indeed a lot of sus players there

wait i shoulda put players in quotation marks

[fossil epoch]

no cuz weekend

[digital lantern]

Frost crabs don't seem to respawn in hiding mode like other crabs do. They respawn normally and are not aggressive.

Due to the Slayer and Quest requirements, the lower HP pool and Slayer XP, and the inability to afk there, these Frost Crabs are the least popular methods of training. The only thing these crabs have going for them is the key fragment drop.

Is there a way these crabs can be fixed to act like other crabs, and maybe increase their levels to reflect the Ruins of Tapoyuaik's difficulty?

[fossil epoch]

That sounds more like a #1022203837265756231

[digital lantern]

Thanks, I didn't see that section

[hearty pivot]

does ward of arceuus work on the delve boss? the demonic dmg reducing spell

[rare grotto]

if ur md projectile lands 1t earlier so it can be same tick iirc

[wheat herald]

It should be down right illegal for a moo-deng hippo and capybaras to be in the game but not be pets at all 😡😡😡

[hard axle]

It should, but if it’s like Yama, it doesn’t reduce shockwave, car run over, kamehameha

[finite hare]

Hey hey all, hope everyone's doing well. I just have a quick question. Is there a date for when the Summer Sweep-Up Slayer update comes out?

[ember token]

likely some time in august

[finite hare]

Oooof.. That's a lot further than I would've began to thought... I thought it would be in the following couple weeks after the blog released! 😦

I'm not that familiar with the Blog to Blog releases, etc

[ember token]

august is the following couple weeks after the blog released, yeah

i guess its a lose lose, they hold off on posting the blog and people get upset, and if they post the blog too early before the update people also get upset

[finite hare]

Sure, thanks for the info though!

[ember token]

but yeah, you can expect them to not release multiple separate big things at the same time

you wouldn't have seen it last week as varlamore part 3 released, and they only just finished updating the blog the day before

and you wouldnt expect it this week because it's almost certainly going to be dedicated to varlamore part 3 changes and fixes

[finite hare]

There's already 7 from an updated article on the 24th

3 hotfixed 4 to be coldfixed

[ember token]

and for reference, part 1 of the summer sweep-up released a month after they first put up the blog for it

[finite hare]

oh? so that was part 2 then

[ember token]

the slayer stuff is the second half of the sweep-up yes

[finite hare]

I'm going to go check out the first part, didn't know that

do you know if theyre removing the slayer unlock "I hope you mith me" or just refunding the points to peopl?

[true talon]

im sure the next month will be varl part 3 fixes just like yama contracts

Lucky though a lot of the content dont seem to have many issues outside of delves, but even in its current state delves is solid

[vestal cosmos]

I’d say 98% chance it’s refunded yes

[finite hare]

Gotcha, I wasn't sure if they were removing it since they just worded it. "If you've paid for something like 'I hope you mith me' then we'll be able to refund you the Points, and all of your blocks are getting reset anyway so you can tweak those to your liking."

By chance, any word of a refund for Bigger and Badder? I unlocked it like 2 days before the blog came out, rip 😦

[frail bough]

anything being lowered or removed will be refunded

[finite hare]

That narrows it down a lot, thank you!

[tacit wharf]

didnt they mention this in the blog that things like this are going to be getting refunded

[finite hare]

I only saw certain ones, 3 of them. I made sure and ctrl+f and searched refund and only the 3

[finite hare]

Block list, task storage difference, and mith me

yes

I asked if they were removing it because they were fully refunding the points for that one, I was thinking of getting it to have it and then getting my points back

If it doesn't get removed that is

[tacit wharf]

they are removing and then refunding

[finite hare]

Damn..

[tacit wharf]

well not a bad thing

it being combined with addy and rune dragons into 1 task

[finite hare]

Alllll the metal ones are combined which is nice

Less worrying about getting 6 different annoying tasks

[tacit wharf]

all the metal dragon tasks are pretty quick now with magic weakness if one doesnt have a dhl

[finite hare]

definitely, a lot of mobs are which is nice. black demons needed a weakness

bigger and badder also needs a buff..

[zealous matrix]

Black demons have demonbane?

Bigger and badder was buffed by reducing its cost

[vocal pulsar]

Kinda wish they added more point usages with the refunds. Eventually they start stacking up with nothing useful to get

[small anvil]

Use them to skip tasks

[jagged marsh]

eta on slayer update? i have a feeling it'll be the week after this one

[torpid delta]

late august / early september, as per mod goblin in here a couple days ago

[dusky scroll]

more than 1k players in EVERY SINGLE US world including 2200....we need more worlds jagex please i cant even pvm rn lol

[true talon]

Ya this boom has destoried the playability of the game lol

Something needs to be done about 1k+ people worlds just not functioning

[steep tangle]

I don't want to think of the lag with thousands of players Sailing at the same time.

[earnest marsh]

True, summer time, new update

At least wildly slayer has most spots empty

I wouldn't try to do barrage task in non wildly xD

[dusky scroll]

nice one

[sacred oracle]

there's 1.1k people in my world (446) rn and it's functioning fine

i'm not sure it's the player count that is causing your trouble

[wispy current]

Tramayne said its fine guys its fine

[steep tangle]

Yeah my lag went away after he said that

[sacred oracle]

Did you even read what I said?

Some were saying it's the player count that is causing trouble. I'm on one world that is not experiencing lag but has a high player count. I did not say you weren't lagging. I said I am not lagging on a high-population world, so I question if it is player count that's the cause.

[steep tangle]

It's already been addressed by the Jmods as an issue to be resolved with the addition of new worlds in the future. So they are aware of the lag and server dc's with the influx of players.

[jagged marsh]

Ive been seeing occasional hitches

Saw some bad ticks in my cox run

This was on w340

Even if the world itself doesn't have a high player count, high traffic will still cause certain clusters to get overwhelmed

Or if its high population and there's no lag, its probably on a different cluster that isn't as overwhelmed

[dreamy vapor]

When killing the Doom of Mokhiaotl and it died at the same time and it counts as a delve. Does the roll happen then or when i check the hole? I am worried i missed a drop because i died at the same time as the doom.

[ember token]

you dont actually get the collection log slot for any of the items until you actually claim them

so you didn't miss anything that you could've gotten

it's no different from if you died earlier in the delve rather than at the end

[dreamy vapor]

I know that, I'm more concerned that it rolled boots or eye or something in the loot and i died before i could even check the loot.

I'm at like 936 delves T.T

[ember token]

by that logic though, you could've gotten the boots or eye in any attempt that you died at

[earnest marsh]

it always drops boots or eye when you die!

[ember token]

there's no (known) dry protection mechanics that would affect future uniques

[dreamy vapor]

But not every death is counted as a delve when you die. I killed it, the delve time came up (new PB too) then next tick i died because the falling rock exploded and hit me.

[ember token]

in terms of the loot though effectively there's no difference on whether you die in the middle of the fight or if you die right after the boss dies

either way you wouldn't be able to claim or see what your loot from that delve would've been

so whether you rolled a unique on that kill is no different than if you would've rolled a unique on any delve you died at

unless there's some kind of dry protection mechanics here, you're no closer or farther away from getting a unique

[true talon]

Prob didnt get anything, combined 3k delves with me an my friends and they got 1 wand we are doing 1-7 with the better players doing 1-8+

This boss is chipping away at my mental and my arrow stack lol.
got synced on wave 8 and 1 star logged out. triple red grub, instant melee punish, double orb mechanic, solve it instantly goes to doing the samething lol. im not sync so i died XD

[dreamy vapor]

I just got a dupe cloth...

[vestal cosmos]

Are you an Ironman?

[dreamy vapor]

Not on this account.

[vestal cosmos]

Well buy some zenyte bracelets, upgrade, and sell

[dreamy vapor]

Oh I am

Stoked about the money, but the coll log.

Back at it

[vestal cosmos]

Since the different drops start at different floors I think it’s reasonable to assume the drop rates aren’t the same.

So I don’t think it necessarily is on the same table as the Eye or Treads.

Wait till next week to find out the drop rates for real though :L

[true talon]

they normally wait 2 weeks

we have estimated the rate to be like 1/1500 for boots, based on the total completes and then active trade volume of the boots

[vestal cosmos]

I meant middle of next week yeah, at least where I am it’s Sunday so “middle of next week” is ten days for me

[true talon]

I feel we may see some major changes monday/wes

however i dunno. they might feel fine that people can be mechanic bloated and the boss is buggy as shit.

Ex on wave 6+ after car and earth orb , why does the boss go to melee punish and then immediately swap to a full shield grub phase without giving you a chance to finish him with punish. forcing you into an entire phase that shouldnt happened. this happens on wave 5 as well.

i acutally died, because i scythed the melee punish and he swapped to grub shield for no reason lol

[near widget]

If the grub-eating-arrows thing hasn't been fixed, please do so. At this point im uncertain if they still always eat them when you fire an arrow at them.

[true talon]

Im already out here mining ameythst like the filthy ironman i am, untill they address these bugs with the demonic digger (thats his exmaine text)

[near widget]

ouch

[near widget]

yeah I actually brought out the valued dragon arrow stash to actually push through the dmg before orb phases

[tacit wharf]

tisk tisk this should of been yr 92-99 mining grind

[near widget]

maybe he made darts ?:P

you dont really make ammy arrows pre tbow

[tacit wharf]

oh u dont

u going to be firing rune with yr scobo

[true talon]

i have 20k left, i did 92-93 mining at amy for like 65k

[near widget]

i tried that. you get 3x orb phase waves xD

swapped to dragon and its usually finished on 2nd car start

[true talon]

Sadly using ameythst is 3 max hits with scobow over using dragon

[near widget]

too often I see xp drop that would kill him and he starts another grub phase

[true talon]

They really should put d arrows on this bug.......

[tacit wharf]

would do that for yr afkish grind while watching something

[true talon]

replace the d dart tips with arrow tips

[near widget]

honestly, doing boss now with rock tech is worth the arrow drain

as scobow user it actually gives me a chance to use bp

[true talon]

rock tech being patched

[near widget]

to not suck

[true talon]

wouldnt get used to it

[near widget]

ye it will be either tomorrow or wednesday

hence im getting the most value of my d arrows now

just try and melee as many grubs as u can

or use mage

[true talon]

I see a lot of changes to the boss this week an next.
Hes difficult due to mechanic bloat and overload

[near widget]

mhm

[true talon]

its like if awakened levaithan enrage was also vardorvis enrage

[near widget]

yeah

I'm mostly worried that for me (ironman, no tbow no scy no zcb) it will end up being harder

i need rock tech to be able to bp freely

[true talon]

The strategies everyone been doing is dps the boss so hard you skip having to deal with the jank as fuck mechanoics

[near widget]

yup

lemme show you a clip someone showed a friend's clan

sec

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1396877548322951363/1398370676267552790/what_do_i_even_do.mp4?ex=6887c0ad&is=68866f2d&hm=e985bb201613df23abdd23f87262a908ba185fdb533ce386897a2c3f76e6a894&

he shoulda put this on reddit since it was day 1

[true talon]

I just seen 1 in my clan, bro ended orb phase on wave 8, boss throws up a melee punish, he runs in with a scythe and hits the boss, boss threw up a grub shield + threw a double attack an he died lmao

[near widget]

I've seen way less bad things get 1-2k+ upvotes

[true talon]

he dropped his melee punish in favor of a grub shield

and caused my man to die

[near widget]

yeah those suck so bad

[true talon]

ya shit like this is why i dont go past wave 7

[near widget]

I've died like that a few times

and been like how the fuck did i die, i just hit him 3 ticks ago?

[true talon]

also melee grubs is beyond terrible design

[near widget]

I went for the one wave 8 clear coz i didnt wanna be the only one without one xD

got to 92 hp on wave 9 after too

[chrome lantern]

Melee grubs themselves are fine wym

[true talon]

you need to run into melee range an hit them, which can be in venom puddles, most people ignore them

[torpid delta]

time to petition jagex for a demonbane halberd

[chrome lantern]

You can hit them while they're under the boss too

[near widget]

etube

[chrome lantern]

Which he never spits acid under himself

[near widget]

he mostly means 3x melee grub as in the vid i posted

[chrome lantern]

Ah didn't watch

[near widget]

im pretty sure

[chrome lantern]

Sure

[near widget]

watch the 30s clip

[chrome lantern]

I don't think Tassili meant that

[near widget]

😛

fair enough

[chrome lantern]

But I could see that as an argument

[near widget]

buddy had that happen day 1 or 2

b2b2b 3x melee grubs while non stop rock throw

its just impossible to deal with

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that clip is rough for sure

[true talon]

https://x.com/SynqShot/status/1949165627534393431
This one is still the best lmfao

synq (@SynqShot)

The Delve Boss Experience

X · Jul 26, 2025, 5:51 PM

[chrome lantern]

That's not a desirable situation

[near widget]

synqs one?
yeah that one was insane

he actually made it

still cant believe that

[true talon]

Happened to me, i accepted my fate

triple red into melee punishes lol

[sleek hearth]

Shesha

Ha

Sheesh*

[near widget]

the way I do wave 8 is basically just praying the chally melee punish hits high l0l

standing on the rock tech trap tile means you auto path properly and end 1 tile away from boss so u dont get meleed

[near widget]

f

[true talon]

Honestly dont get why this boss melees

in wave 8 he hits you every 2 ticks

[near widget]

yeah the best is if u move a tick too early, end with a rock up on you, rock pushes you into melee range while ur flicking and u just die

[lone remnant]

when we say 1/1500 are we talking 4+ delves or what

or just overall delves

[tacit wharf]

would think it'd be like pharaoh's scepter

[lone remnant]

fair, i bet it scales down by like 50-100 each floor

[near widget]

i think we'll get numbers when they patch rock tech n stuff

[tacit wharf]

?

we'll get numbers in 2 to 3 weeks as they have usually been given

[near widget]

has it usually been that late? my bad

[tacit wharf]

yes 2 to 3 weeks after release

[near widget]

mm

it was sooner in my brain

sadge

[lone remnant]

well im gonna abuse until they patch for easy rolls simple as

[near widget]

same, but I can't do too many in a session or i just start doing worse

so im hoping patch isnt today (monday) but on wednesday at least

[lone remnant]

Prayge

[hard axle]

Protection Orb is pretty chill now. Bigger issue is me not moving and getting stunned by a falling rock

[near widget]

yup

[lone remnant]

tip for that. works like warden lightning. choose a spot that a rock will fall, click on it after it falls, then youll be on perfect tick to flick

[hard axle]

just don't chose two plumes that 2 inches apart

[near widget]

btw, do you know exactly how many ticks after shooting the orb spawns?

[lone remnant]

and you cant get him

[hard axle]

no no, u see

this is brain issue

on my part

[lone remnant]

ah i c i c most unwise

[hard axle]

I know it's coming and I just watch it

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

[hasty shard]

i swear the movement works for all rocks

or im just getting giga spooned rockfall patterns

[hard axle]

Got to wave 9 and now I can't get back to it

[hasty shard]

i got to wave 9 too!

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

[hasty shard]

waow

[near widget]

bold of you to assume i can move mouse and click that fast that accurately

[lone remnant]

mb mb

[near widget]

😛

[hasty shard]

it feels lenient enough surprisingly

[near widget]

i mostly either just follow molgoat's click twiice thing or just click far away and pray while running

I need to count the ticks from when orb tree gets hit to when it spawn

then I can do a new meta

standing behind it, shoot + ctrl click instantly

to the far side

and you auto walk into it

[cedar shoal]

@hard axle have you figured out skybox plugin tech to make shadows seeable?

low detail does not make the shadows seeable enough

what is up with jagex and making shadow attacks on a dark ground

[meager flame]

Art teams not being held in check enough it happens in most games

Its because a lot of the time using bright flat textures doesn't look very good and shadows are obviously not bright and flashing either

So it slips in

They probably need to just stop trying to use shadows

Make it like spikes erupting from the ground or whatever so you can make something obvious

[fossil epoch]

Has there been found a way to manipulate where Mokha spits the acid at the start of a delve?

[shadow wave]

No, as far as we can tell it picks a random cardinal direction at the start of the delve

[meager flame]

also basically shower thoughts but its funny looking back at jagex's communication and what the community thought of the rewards and the cape etc

because honestly

[hard axle]

Fuck, send me a dm

[meager flame]

beating delve 8 is harder than doing colo or the inferno

its just faster with no filler so you can get attempts in faster

so they totally could've** just done the cape upgrade lol

[slender vapor]

[narrow folio]

This is definitely in line or even harder than awakened shit

[fossil epoch]

<@&385422009930219520>

[vestal ruin]

👀

[meager flame]

im sorta confused by it though because like

usually they say something will be about xyz level of content and kinda overestimate

but they did the total opposite and this is like way harder than what they said lol

[fossil epoch]

Indeed, i think the yama feedback had some kind of impact here

both droprate wise and difficulity spiking

[slender vapor]

Good changes to take feedback from though

[meager flame]

idk i think they just repeated the same problem but backwards

lol you'd want them to get better at explaining what they're doing and not flipflopping between two extremes hitting everything but what they said

like in this case

[slender vapor]

It feels like the difference between two teams

Titans was perfect

[meager flame]

they had a huge and ultimately pointless discussion about capes and everything

[slender vapor]

Delve feels closer to perfect

[meager flame]

when now that the content is out

the cape would've been perfectly acceptable

im not talking about what i want the delve to be like

im just comparing what they said to what they produced if you get what i mean

the delve is probably the most off from expectations so far

although i guess thats probably accidental

like

lol you cant have done zuk or whatever and then do delve 8 and not know

they probably changed their minds at some point long after the discussions about the cape

and just didnt let anyone know

[sterile breach]

any word on the larvae consuming arrows bug ???

[fossil epoch]

Its 8:45 in the UK, so no

Also whenever i shoot arrows at a larva, and look at my arrow total, it doesnt go down

[shadow wave]

I think based on what little actual testing I've seen Avas does work on larva - people just aren't used to using arrows that quickly, the bugs are 1 tick attack, multiple at once, and you're using range for the rest of the fight as well

[fossil epoch]

yeh, i have gotten so much ranged xp so far, its just a big arrow boss

[spiral rapids]

surely the boss is made so it cant do that. has anyone provided feedback on that

sometimes u stand there and pray against single autos, sometimes u have awakened levi squared to deal with. whys it so random?

[last onyx]

When can we expect a update on Delve adjustments and the loot?

It feels in such a bad place right now i don’t even want to do it before it’s fixed.

[shadow wave]

I believe we're expecting a couple of exploits to be hotfixed today, but I wouldn't expect a general update until Wednesday

[meager flame]

yeah i think its kinda reasonable to wait atm

[fossil epoch]

Anything they can hotfix probably will happen when its ready, and coldfixes wednesday

I would guess there jmods on the delve team have to agree on what they want to fix, and what they want to keep

[last onyx]

The boss is bugged, people are abusing it. Loot has been non-existent since the bug was discovered. Just want a little update from Jagex on it.

[last onyx]

True

[fossil epoch]

Might not be a high delver, but i would love some loot to appear yeh