game-update

[chrome lantern]

I haven’t tried

[brazen cobalt]

lame lol thanks

[chrome lantern]

I don’t know why the knife’s equippable in the first place, that wasn’t polled and has very little use

Definitely don’t think we need it to work equipped though for bows etc

[brazen cobalt]

don't disagree.. just think if its equippable should be useful across the board

[chrome lantern]

It still has a use for hunter I guess

[molten basalt]

Mask, spools, knife

You can buy ent branches with surplus points

Btw, the spool and flax bundle? 9/10.

For mid to early game irons it's a ton of bowstring

For mains it's just 100k/hr

That's the only thing I haven't sold back yet, unfortunately

Only got 1

But it stands to reason you can

Huh

Can always check, it uses the Forestry shop interface

This is worded..... suspiciously...

[candid stirrup]

Possible bug with Monster examine or Eye of Ayak?

So I went to test the new staff (special attack) today and to check reduction of defense on monsters using monster examine. I am unsure if the staff is bugged or if the monster examine/monster inspect spell is bugged? If I attack something with a normal in game stat altering item, I used a bone dagger, the monster inspect accurately reported the correct reduction in defense level between casts. This however was not the case after speccing with the Eye of Ayak. I tested this on multiple bosses that have magic defense and saw no reduction after a successful special attack hit. Hopefully its an issue with the spell and not the weapon. 🫠

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think moster examine shows magic def only mage lvl so that might be why.

[candid stirrup]

It shoes both level and defense but in different tabs

[nocturne solstice]

Defence is specifically mentioned as shown

ill check in a bit though but if you think it's a bug then you should report it in game

[candid stirrup]

give me 30 seconds = s

[nocturne solstice]

You can right click the red report button and select "report game bug"

[candid stirrup]

I did that as well, just wanted to check here too ❤️

[nocturne solstice]

Posting in the update channel might just get your comment lost in the chat unfortunately

all g

[candid stirrup]

I just double checked and for steel dragons it dispalys magic defense of 30

and a magic level of 130

[nocturne solstice]

interesting, very strange

[candid stirrup]

It's possible the spell simply doesn't track reduction in defenses and only levels

I can't think of another spec weapon that reduces specifically defenses and not levels

[chrome lantern]

That's because there isn't one

[narrow folio]

I was saying before we should get one for melee and range, hopefully this one isnt the only one forever

[untold lion]

Is the Antler Guard being fixed?

[ember token]

well it's not broken

but they will be changing the stats

[untold lion]

That’s what I meant

[nocturne solstice]

It would be interesting to have a spec weapon that reduces flat armor 👀

[hard canyon]

Wait what's wrong with it

[ember token]

it works perfectly fine

it just has the original stats they proposed (-25 def instead of -15 and +4 prayer instead of +5)

[rotund reef]

Make the Eye of Ayak demon bane, even if its just 5% like the burning claws so it can be bis at Moka for killing the grubs.

[shy sentinel]

What's the exact increase in success rate from using shark lures?

[tacit wharf]

wiki has no rates listed

[frail bough]

Go use them, if you do highest activation, its a lot

[meager flame]

they probably dont even have to make it demonbane

just make it work anyways like the nox hally works for araxxor

that way nothing weird happens with it being demonbane later

[rotund reef]

It's fine at 5% demonbane nothing weird will happen it'll only gain 1 more max hit on demons that's all just keeps it simpler and in line with burning claws

[molten basalt]

.

[lament peak]

250k an hour doing this fletching activity is so chill

[late kernel]

Hello 👋?

Hello 👋?

How are you my friend?

[red cove]

Is there a list of all the new varlamore stuff like gemstone crab, fletching minigame, final dawn etc

[dire mango]

Check the newspost. Should have an overview of most of the stuff

[wispy current]

Day 3 of asking for the originally proposed avernic tread design

[red cove]

News post on which platform?

[true talon]

Hopefully see some
Small changes today like go thwy nerfs yama before the weekend

If no changes gonna be a sad weekend 😦

[heavy ledge]

Geomancy spell is bugged for Draynor Manor belladonna and Tai Bwo Wannai calquat patches. It was showing the belladonna patch as a partially grown cactus (lol) when it was fully grown and then it showed it as full of weeds (I have auto-weeder enabled) a few minutes later when it was at growth stage 2 (I planted right before the stages cycled). Also, the calquat patch was shown as full of weeds despite having one ready to harvest.

[woeful hazel]

not sure if anyone elese is experiencing this but the deadman voaltile staff spec wont deal damage

it drains special but does nothing right now

[true talon]

Nice risk vs reward. do you wanna venture deeper risking 456 earth runes or do you wanna just reset and do 1-4 XD

[kind sail]

1-4 sounds like a play

dont even need food

[true talon]

Seems like it

Looks like a release toa problem, we’re expert raids were not worth doing and camping 150 was the meta

[molten hedge]

When you want to teleport out of the doom fight (to prevent dying) you get a warning that you still have unclaimed loot. Making it almost impossible to teleport out. Does anyone know if you can disable this warning?

[dire mango]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/varlamore-the-final-dawn-out-now?oldschool=1

[tame moth]

Are there any plans for the inaccessible dungeon visible within the hunters guild burrow? I figured thatd be a part of pt3

[glossy jewel]

hello. Why does teleporting out using teletabs from mokkha not work?

[molten hedge]

I have the same problem. You get a warning about having loot that you can claim, thus you need to click teleport and then spam space bar, which is almost impossible if your under attack...

[pliant ivy]

this warning is a new thing i assume after people getting their uniques deleted. teles used to work. this change is so over the top, let us disable it or only have it apply on the downtime between delves

-500k if i can't tele because i've got 200k of junk on the line

[molten hedge]

That makes sense. But this warning should only popup while the boss is dead and you're truly able to claim your loot

[pliant ivy]

yes that's what i said

[sacred skiff]

Would be cool if they fixed the whole "discounted death costs until you have 20 completions on that floor" thing they initially said before the weekend when lots of people are trying it out for the first time

That and 0t mage

[shadow wave]

Ominous broadcast just now

[fossil epoch]

wonder if any hardcores died to it yet

[sacred skiff]

Gem Crab out here claiming HCIMs fs though

[fossil epoch]

such a weird fix for them to implement, because people teleport out without fully claiming their uniques lol

[fossil epoch]

imagine having to tell your team you died to a monster who max hits 1

[hasty shard]

LMAO

[sacred skiff]

Ah damn I wasn't logged in yet, what was the broadcast?

[shadow wave]

What does it actually mean tho "Warning to HCs, teleport confirmations can interrupt Mohka fight"

Not sure why that specifically impacts Hardcores?

[fossil epoch]

just a warning that you cant teleport out of doom atm without getting a warning confirmation first

[pliant ivy]

coz you die if you can't panic tele when needed

[sacred skiff]

oh dang lol

fortunately when I mess up at Moki I die so quickly I couldn't have tele'd

[fossil epoch]

yeh i dont have many failed runs to me teleporting out, its often just like getting 1 banged to mistakes on top of mistakes

[sacred skiff]

I lost my HCIM status to the wolves on the way to wintertodt back in the day lmao

the boss is really punishing for a single mistake, if you make the wrong mistake

[hasty shard]

i have panic tele'd at least 3 times at mokh

[shadow wave]

Oh, did it say the teleport confirmation doesn't interrupt the fight?

[fossil epoch]

So annoying that sometimes my slayer staff forgets its auto casting demonbane

[hasty shard]

ive not had my autocast get forgotten oddly

i'd have expected it to happen by now considering how often it does at yama

[tender harness]

is scorching staff autocast bug still a thing?

[shadow wave]

Yeah, I think it's if you had it equipped when you die

[sacred skiff]

That doesn't seem to consistently happen though. I wonder if it's something to do with the staff vs the rune pouch hitting your inv first from the gravestone or something

Whatever it is, it happens infrequently enough that I forget to check every time, but frequently enough to be a nuisance. It turns out purger is not a demonbane weapon when you bonk someone with it haha

I see now they've stealth-updated the blog about the "20 completions per floor" thing, so either I'm totally misremembering reading that or

Not stealth-updated actually, updated updated with a patch-note. I'm no longer upset lol

[true talon]

Idc about death cost you can get it to like 5k with void

[glossy jewel]

you still need to be able to kill boss tho

[true talon]

Void is meta for deeper deliving

My friend cleared 8 fairly easy with scobo and void

[glossy jewel]

im talking about weapons. what loadout you bring to make death coffer 5k?

[true talon]

Chally for punish

[true talon]

Scobo void burning claws slayer staff

C hally light bearer araena boots

Any item below 10m is only 5k to get back

You protect scobo and anguish

• few other items if you want

Bring 4 items with value over 10m to protect use void and then cheap demonbane items. Boss cost nothing to do die to.

[fossil epoch]

The 7k death fee'er

[true talon]

Loot is piss, so push as deep as you can or want to an then leave or bank

No risk to die and no risk to delving deeper as long as this table contains what it does.

Most my iron friends are just doing 1-4 speed runs

Personally I feel bracelet should be on wave 3 wand on 4 and boots on 6 maybe move pet to 7 or 8

[glossy jewel]

dw theyll be updating drop rates once streamers get all drops

[true talon]

But the rate to obtain needs to be buffed drastically

[glossy jewel]

like they always do

[true talon]

I watched gnomonkey send tier 12+ for 2 days and he saw 0 uniques. Loot was so bad he just kept going and never caring to leave lol

[fossil epoch]

nah thats just gatekeeping

They should just make sure its more common on the higher floors than below

[true talon]

I mean 6 is comfortable for difficult to match the power of the boots

The pet being on 8 makes more sense

[fossil epoch]

quite a few items in this game way easier to get than floor 6 idk

thats better

[true talon]

I didn’t find 6 to difficult if I can dps check the orb mechanic

It seems 8+ you dps skip orb or die

[sacred skiff]

How does the punish thing work? I know it's str-bonus based for multi-hit things

[shy sentinel]

Question: What's the numerical increase for successful attempts using Shark Lures(1,3,5)?

[sacred skiff]

But when do you hit boss?

Like any time? Or during certain windows?

[minor whale]

When he's charging his prayer attack

[hasty shard]

whenever its shield charging after throwing out a rock

[minor whale]

When he is praying mage and range, punish with melee multi hit and high str bonus

[sacred skiff]

Oh ok

Cool

Is it like worth doing without a scythe?

Cuz like boppers weak

[minor whale]

It's always worth doing, boppers are 16x2 damage for free on him

[hasty shard]

worth with boppers

[minor whale]

It's just melee str/5 x hitsplats extra damage

[hasty shard]

its like scythe/dclaws > chally > bops i think

[sacred skiff]

OK cool I'll try adding that in

Also, does anyone know the ID of the cactus things you click to spawn the orb?

I keep clicking a mundane rock and dying lol

-Average rs player unable to cope without plugins

[glossy jewel]

or better yet, ID of the orb. Cuz i cant seem to figure out its radius. The movement is absolute dog excrement

[sacred skiff]

Oh i've got the orb, just a sec

Pretty sure it's this: 14715

[glossy jewel]

where is spec weapon? for melee punish ?

[true talon]

Crystal hally

[obsidian venture]

It's been like this for weeks. Remove the kit to be able to use it

Without chally you'd scythe (if you had one)

As rest of the specs are going into the zcb

[fossil epoch]

There wasnt any on that picture, cuz then it wasnt 7k
but its d claws(picture should have had chally)

[vestal cosmos]

(If you already have an Emberlight/Arclight you will need to drop trick it to reclaim a Darklight but) you can use a Darklight instead of an Emberlight in order to bring dclaws and still have free deaths.

[bright anchor]

I think my character is drunk. Ever since the update, it thinks cactus grow at draynor mennor and belladonna at tai bwo wannai when checking with the Geomancy spell

Wait, how does one attach an img here? Or does it require a certain rank?

[vestal cosmos]

Yes rank required 😦

[fossil epoch]

Steel rank

[bright anchor]

Ah understandeble given the size of the disc / type of community 🙂

[vestal cosmos]

I think it’s obvious Unify and I aren’t spambots lol

[fossil epoch]

Yeh but there is no setting to unblock non obvious spam bots

[bright anchor]

Yeh, its purely activity based the ranks?

[fossil epoch]

And you can get steel rank very fast in here by just being active for a bit

[bright anchor]

I dont activly use the osrs discord. Just on occasion. I've got too many discords already where I'm active haha

[fossil epoch]

Thats fair, then you just gotta live without sending links to you have been peeping in here long enough

[vestal cosmos]

Does #1022203837265756231 not count towards rank? I’m very active in those threads but not often in main channels

[bright anchor]

Yeh fair, I tend to just be active when I have a usefull contribution to things. Too much brainroth otherwise haha

[fossil epoch]

You only get xp per message you sent, BUT you cant get xp for 1 minut after getting xp

[bright anchor]

Darn. No darts siutation 😦

[fossil epoch]

So long messages doesnt give more, and spamming 1 word per message doesnt work

[bright anchor]

Just give me a few quests for the earlygame ❤️

[vestal cosmos]

Haha yes please

[bright anchor]

Speaking of game sugestions, Has the topic of 200M capes been brought up / discussed as of recent if anyone knows?

[vestal cosmos]

I’ve had a funny OSRS screenshot on my computer that I’ve wanted to share for months now

[bright anchor]

I sugested 200M capes first in 2015, at the time the reason for saying no was that they didnt want xp rates to bet pushed higher/snowball. But that ship has sailed realy.

[vestal cosmos]

You can search #1022203837265756231 and bump the main thread for 200m capes

[bright anchor]

last post about it was jan. 2024 and it got downvoted by a big margin.

Yeh, ill go back to sobbing in a corner 🙂

[fossil epoch]

You can ask for it, but there is no way thats coming into the game

[bright anchor]

Honestly, I dont see why so many people are against it anymore, specially if its purely cosmetic.

[vestal cosmos]

I don’t see a reason against adding cosmetic 200m capes but I also don’t see much reason to add them either. Especially since the fraction of players that have even a 99 cape, let alone 200m in a skill, is so small.

[true talon]

Hope not

[bright anchor]

NGL, the 120 capes on rs3 look hella sexy. And ive love a copy of those for osrs 200M capes. I wanna flex some stuf :3

Wish I could add the lv120 slay cape from rs3 pic here haha.

[tacit wharf]

nty

[true talon]

Game has enough flex content for narcissist behavior validation seekers

[bright anchor]

Welp. That hurts my feelings.

[true talon]

Unlucky

[bright anchor]

Its just pride of an achievement in my case, but I get your point

[sacred skiff]

The NPC id for Volatile Earth (what you click to make orb at Mokhi) is 14714, btw

[true talon]

Pride would be you having the exp and enjoying you did it yourself. Asking for a cape to flex is validation seeking

There is a difference

[sacred skiff]

Also we found out in June that Pride isn't allowed in osrs so

Can blood fury proc off a punish hit?

I see the hitsplats are a darker red, as if they're not dealt by you

[true talon]

That’s because that’s another validation seeking scam

[true talon]

It can not it also doesn’t benefit from str pots or void melee helm

Because it’s scaling str bonus only

[hasty shard]

it should proc off of your red splats there

btw you can also just camp emberlight for grub shield phase and heal off it that way

[vestal cosmos]

I have no problem with the LGBT community as long as people aren’t obnoxious about it. Introducing yourself with pronouns can get as annoying as people adding “Ironman btw” the instant they meet you.

[true talon]

Everyone using chin tech, has anyone tried to 1 tick ice barrage spam a grub on top of the boss lol

[hasty shard]

1t chins sounds like pissing money away

[vestal cosmos]

I mean like if it’s 0 tick free damage on a boss with raid-value loot then it’s worth it

[hasty shard]

you can ven bow

my question is if chins are reliable enough, im assuming it only procs on the sw for them

[lone remnant]

you can but its not that good

and its so rare that you could go a few runs without even using the chins

[hasty shard]

i'd assume ven bow is just more reliable because of the bounce range

99% sure it can bounce when the grub is in the centre of mokh

[vestal cosmos]

Is the tech using chins on a grub to damage the boss too? The splash radius of a chin is based on the SW tile, but for 1 tile mobs next to big monsters, the splash will hit the big monster regardless of where the small monster is in relation to the large monster’s SW tile.

[sacred skiff]

OK chally punishing is fun. And I finally feel like 4 has clicked and 5 is attainable most times now

[low star]

protection orb moving slower than player walking speed - is this intentional? i sometimes walk out of it and get hit

[sacred skiff]

And sometimes the orb just hauls ass. Who knows why

[hasty shard]

ye

[vestal cosmos]

It’s just super jank all around at the moment, hopefully will be fixed soon.

Either bring triple-eats and be prepared to tank the slams or just stick to the earlier layers for now.

[hasty shard]

i think its slower on earlier delves for some reason

which is dumb and harder

[true talon]

Was doing my 6 clears by praying correctly and spam eating though the slams

Orb mechanic get me killed trying to set it up and then it not even work

I feel like it should just give you a barrier to protect vs the shield over a jank ass moving orb

You still need to pray the attacks correctly

And time getting the shield so it don’t expire

Either that or the earth can make safe spots from the slam like zebak jugs

Its current state is bad and prone to to many flaws such as pathing, speed, poison, rocks

Which is why all deep delevers are dps checking it during car phase or dying lol

[lone remnant]

did they fix arrows being consumed on grubs???

my arrows arent going down

[frail bough]

idk its gonna be hard for me to notice after making a billion yesterday

[lone remnant]

i was making 2.5k ammy arrows at a time like a broke boy lmao

[true talon]

Maybe I hope to see 1 tick mage fixed and arrow deletion fixed. Before the weekend.

And then next week I pray for drop table buffs and some adjustments to the cancer orb mechanic

[lone remnant]

i hope they do not buff the drop table

in 548 total delves i have 11.5k tears

[true talon]

If they don’t buff it, there is no actual risk to going deeper

[lone remnant]

and a staff

i guess that is true

didnt think of it that way

[true talon]

You like well do I go deeper or do I risk my 500 earth runes

[lone remnant]

i mean usually my wave 8 loot is around 1.5m

for 10 minutes~ of gameplay

thats not bad at all

[true talon]

With death fees as low as 10 k because void is bis lol

[tacit wharf]

its just tassili complaining about loot, dont take it to heart

[lone remnant]

anywhere from 500k-1.5m

[true talon]

This is inflated by spirit seeds and sun-kissed bones being worth a ton

[fossil epoch]

void isnt bis though, it just sucks losing that much gp

[true talon]

Spirit seed is valued at 140k and sun-kissed are 8k ech

[lone remnant]

idk, shouldnt you want the value to be stored in the uniques?

and they seem pretty rare

[fossil epoch]

the lower value common loot will just keep the uniques higher yeh

[true talon]

Value being in uniques is just nightmare 2.0

[fossil epoch]

and the low amount of demon tears will keep the woodcutting a fairly decent afk money maker

[lone remnant]

this is not as bad as pnm buddy

i promise

[fossil epoch]

nah because they dont suck as much, its still better common loot than gwd

[small anvil]

void is better in late waves b/c you're hitting car phase most of the time

so if you're consistently reaching late waves it ends up worth

on top of the low death fees

[true talon]

False woodcutting tears is 600 tears and hour, tears are currently like 700 each that’s barely 500k an hour lol and the exp is like 9k

[fossil epoch]

500k/hr for something this afk is decent though

[lone remnant]

just tell us ur broke man its ok

[small anvil]

its like 30 minutes afk

for that lvl of afk its good money

[fossil epoch]

am an iron, gonna have to woodcut

[small anvil]

500k per click

[true talon]

You think im broke lol

[tacit wharf]

isnt tassili an ironman?

[lone remnant]

not you, but im also an iron. why not just send resets

[small anvil]

err 250k per click

[lone remnant]

on ur most comfy wave

[fossil epoch]

making dinner atm, so i can woodcut meanwhile

[lone remnant]

ah true

[lone remnant]

even if ur not u got a broke boy mentality afufu

[true talon]

Yes, but I care about base loot more than uniques and it’s how you keep content relevant

[small anvil]

giving people a good reason to keep chasing uniques

[fossil epoch]

yeh cuz gwd isnt relevant

[small anvil]

and letting most of the other loot earned despawn chasing it

is fine imo

[tacit wharf]

cuz barrows isnt relevent

[safe depot]

has anyone figured out the water mech on mokha? ive seen it happen once but i didnt notice if it did anything

[lone remnant]

last hit in melee prot mechanic

it clears some poison

[safe depot]

like killing him last hit?

[true talon]

No1 cares about the base loot. There is no risk vs reward system like they want

[lone remnant]

ye

[true talon]

It’s literally go in till unique and leave

[lone remnant]

whatre u smoking the risk reward is the risking base loot

it keeps the tears price high

[small anvil]

the risk is more in death fees but people are getting around that too lol

[true talon]

The bae loot is not an actual risk

[safe depot]

weird, ive done it with both emberlight and chally and i cant reproduce it

[true talon]

Tear price won’t remain high lol

[lone remnant]

idk it seems like you're someone who will find something to complain about with everything that comes out

my 2 cents

[true talon]

Yes I have a strong dislike of getting 500 earth runes for doing inferno lvl content

[lone remnant]

wave 1 is inferno level content for you? sorry man

something something git gud

[small anvil]

good thing you get so much from doing the inferno level content, the inferno!

[lone remnant]

yeah dude you can do wave 32 inferno resets afufufu

[true talon]

You don’t got your rsn posted, so I can’t make the claim. But I’m sure I am a lot better than you are.

[lone remnant]

Zastavo

is my RSN

good luck

[tacit wharf]

🍿

[lone remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-gif-14788430004705207880

[safe depot]

i wonder if your actual melee damage has to kill him and not the reccurent damage?

[true talon]

Not bad we around the same

[lone remnant]

no we arent

[true talon]

Yea we are

[lone remnant]

i have a 3a pickaxe

we are not the same

[true talon]

Got me there

[lone remnant]

alright brb

[hasty shard]

i do not get how everyone complains about the orb attack when the racecar slam exists 😭

yeah let me stand behind this rock and still take damage????

[true talon]

This one is just as bad lol

[hasty shard]

like orb is 90% skill issue, the rocks are just actually unavoidably fucked

[hard axle]

it’s the same as splinters, too accessible at beginning levels

and doesn’t consume enough

[vestal cosmos]

The slam rocks are at least somewhat predictable and the drives can be predicted too. Yeah the exact angle on where behind the rock to hide should be fixed but it’s not as janky as the orb phase.

[hard axle]

12k per boots is nothing when splinters were 120k

And they certainly aren’t dropping in proportionate amounts of 8-400

[small anvil]

at least tear has a rune floor price kinda

[hard axle]

[true talon]

Ehh each unique will consume 12k and 10k tears and the staff can be powered by them. The tears also aren’t dropped In bulk

Splinter issue was it’s only use was the quiver

[hard axle]

That’s the lazy iron speaking, switch out for the grinding iron

[small anvil]

delve has uniques to prop up profitability

[true talon]

22k tears is a lot of delves

[small anvil]

basic loot is just consolation prizes

[true talon]

Or 40 hours of woodcutting

And that’s per unique entering the game

[small anvil]

its full afk hours tho

[vestal cosmos]

The thing is it’s easier to get tears by doing waves 1-4 ish repeatedly; there’s far lower difficulty and still unique chances.

[true talon]

Dragon arrow tips on the doom table and I’m happy to push deeper

[true talon]

This is looking meta for irons atm

Which is sad

1-4 claim repeat

[hard axle]

I hate that shit

[true talon]

Pushing deeper has no merit it’s extra difficulty for 35 chaos runes

[hard axle]

It should always be higher difficulty = more rewards

CG is proof of this

[small anvil]

this was the likely result when they didnt scale basic loot

w/ waves

[true talon]

It would be like if wave 11 at Colo had you risking 50k by the time you got there. Are you going to leave and take the 50k or are you gonna fight sol.

[vestal cosmos]

Floor 1 was said to be about as hard as CG but honestly it seems easier. Like I can understand the mechanics for Doom and it seems reasonably doable on the early levels, but I still can’t understand CG.

[true talon]

There is no actual risk

[lone remnant]

this is fundamentally a skill issue, I can make it to wave 8 100% of the time now and there i have probably a 50/50 chance of getting a wave 8 completion

and that unique chance is craaazy low i bet

[true talon]

Considering I seem gnomonkey spamming 12+ delves and seen 0 uniques and risked less than 1m each time

For 2 days now

[lone remnant]

he could be unlucky, and 8+ just gives u 8th delve rolls right?

[true talon]

Yea

[lone remnant]

it doesnt increase unique chance

[thick beacon]

how are ppl coming to this conclusion

i feel like its extremely bad to do that esp if ur goal is threads

[true talon]

It’s what I’ve seen

[lone remnant]

alright im tired of typing gl all back into delve

[hard axle]

I would want to see exactly what the expected hours if you spammed 1-4 versus 1-8 for uniques and if it’s not at least double, the rates should made be higher at 5-8

[true talon]

Eva use you get tears and unique rolls

[hard axle]

reward the good players

[lone remnant]

i would honestly bet my left testicle its over 3x the time

[thick beacon]

u cant even get roll threads on waves 1-3 ud only get 1 roll on wave 4 if u did resets

[true talon]

Yea

[hard axle]

[lone remnant]

prob even 5x

[hard axle]

if that’s the case, good good

[small anvil]

the slow early waves are the balancing factor mostly

[lone remnant]

however, wave 6 is clearly loot wave afufufu

[true talon]

I would bet it’s more than likely
Double

Just going by jamflex track record

[thick beacon]

if u cant even roll and have to do 3 filler waves every time surely thats just bad

[small anvil]

like the reason you're seeing lots of drops on early waves

is that the rate of completion in later waves is TINY

the dropoff is steep

[true talon]

Not if 3 filler waves give tears and unique rolls and cost no supply/time on banking.

[hard axle]

280k 6+, 8k 8+ a few hours ago

[thick beacon]

u get unique rolls for the other stuff but not threads

[hard axle]

It’s not that many

[small anvil]

theres also steep drop from 4 to 6

iirc

[true talon]

Anyone deep delving is dps skipping the orb

That’s the only roadblock

[small anvil]

idk what the scaling is on deeper waves in terms of the uniques

but even if it was 4x on wave 8 what it was on 4

[thick beacon]

compare that to 4+ though

[small anvil]

you'd see way more loot from wave 4

[meager flame]

tbh

i think jagex just assumed more people would be able to do more waves

but it turns out most players just cant

[true talon]

The content doesn’t promote deep waves

[meager flame]

like they probably really thought you'd be repeatedly doing wave 8s

[dire mango]

Most players cba learning*

[small anvil]

i wouldnt be surprised if they toned down the acid

[meager flame]

nah i think a lot of people can do wave 8 once

[true talon]

It promotes dps skipping the mechanic than 1 shots you

[meager flame]

i think if you asked them if they think they can do it multiple times in a row

i bet that number gets very small very fast

[small anvil]

the extra poison tiles is the big obstacle for 8+ i think

[meager flame]

and they probably just didnt think it was like that

[true talon]

Extra poison, melee grubs

[small anvil]

i dont think they intded 8+ to have continously ramping difficulty beyond being endurance

[true talon]

No 1 tick on mage

[small anvil]

you can 1tick if you manual cast lol

[thick beacon]

we dont know rates yet but we do know that u straight up cant recieve uniques up untill certain wave

[true talon]

Yikes lol

[dire mango]

The meta has not settled yet. Its day3. Too early to conclude

[thick beacon]

imo thats very telling that doing filler waves for 1 roll is prob not good

[small anvil]

obviously not suggesting it as an actual solution, just think it's funny

[meager flame]

im not even really sure what i would do to help the situation they're probably in

like

personally i think the boss is better without the first 4 waves existing

[small anvil]

wave times also kinda go down? in later waves

[meager flame]

but i doubt they'd ever do something like that

[small anvil]

even if difficulty is up

or at least are relatively consistent

going as far as you can do consistently is definitely the play

and pushing for that 1 extra wave is often worth

[true talon]

Yes because you get car phase which is 100% accuracy and if you don’t kill it during car you die

[formal sentinel]

Me having only done up to wave 3 so far

[small anvil]

if you're 50%+ i imagine

[meager flame]

i just think its weird because like

1-4 assuming you've taken the time to learn is kind of just checking if you should even try atm

[small anvil]

I should not try!

[meager flame]

so in a way if it just started people on 5 and it smacked them around

[small anvil]

(i think having scy to punish prob helps, i do not have scy)

[meager flame]

they'd know to maybe go do something else for a bit

[true talon]

I’d rather the boss have more hp and focus on doing the mechanics over just dps skipping past the difficulty lol

[thick beacon]

they can make orb easier as a compromise imo

[meager flame]

well the thing about the orb

[true talon]

But if that happened they would have to remove orb phase or change it

[meager flame]

is that doing the boss correctly involves not seeing the orb at all costs

[small anvil]

zcb scy tbow all great at this boss

and probably greatly enhances the clear %

[true talon]

Yep

[meager flame]

which i think is actually kind of an issue

[small anvil]

dps check for mechanic is kinda odd i agree actually

[meager flame]

because it means that you do really need some specific good gear

[formal sentinel]

It's also supposed to use a bit of your supplies to lower the remaining ones for later delves (assuming you don't just break the charge with SGS and ignore most of that).
But more importantly, it affects the kill time.
If they have a way to skip the first 4 waves, IMO they'd have to halve the unique chances in 5-8

[meager flame]

or you're gonna be fighting a much harder boss

just because you don't have items

and you see phases you're not even supposed to be doing constantly

[true talon]

Replace orb phase with melee punish phase

Easy clap

You gotta stop the shield from
Blasting you while also flicking the prayer attacks

Seems like a fair trade

[meager flame]

tbh i really do think i might delete the orb phase if i were them

[true talon]

It’s the thing holding the content back

Because later waves you just die

[meager flame]

just because its a bit stupid when everyone is strategizing around simply never getting it

[true talon]

If you don’t dps Check it

[meager flame]

like if we're gonna let that happen maybe just replace it with something people actually do

so that people without giga gear can play the same boss

[true talon]

Also there is no 1 ticking the eat

Earth

You are on full attack delay while setting it up

[meager flame]

but yeah idk its just in a weird spot

[true talon]

I accidenty tried to demonbane it

[lone remnant]

bro how tf do u manage ur range pots on 8+x waves

im always out cause im a monkey

[true talon]

Bring more

[small anvil]

how much you bringing?

[meager flame]

i mean you bring more and take less damage

[lone remnant]

i bring 2 rn

[small anvil]

dont brew every floor early

[lone remnant]

but im also bringing 3 way scythe

[true talon]

1 divine 2 range

[lone remnant]

may put it down to 1 way for deeep delves

[small anvil]

i feel like you'll miss dps checks more by dropping scy switches

[lone remnant]

idm walking orb and doing prayer

its not that bad

i think gnomonkey said it was impossible day 1 and everyones just been parroting that

its not that bad

[formal sentinel]

Orb phase would be totally fine if the orb always moved at walking speed, followed the same pathing as the player, and the rock spawns were consistent

[lone remnant]

orb phase is totally fine lol

i was a hater at first too

[small anvil]

walking orb is hard in 8+ tho

[true talon]

Facts

[lone remnant]

but just get good

[formal sentinel]

It's just annoying trying to find a path that isn't blocked

[small anvil]

b/c theres just always more venom pools

[meager flame]

i mean its not really fine everyone is playing to hopefully never see it lol

if it were all good that wouldn't be happening

[lone remnant]

serp + masori is tech

[true talon]

It’s not a matter of get good, when all strategies are dps skipping the mechanic or die

[lone remnant]

all you void warriors cant handle the venom

[formal sentinel]

Like if the orb rocks always spawned in this kind of configuration:

[lone remnant]

brother that is just not true

[small anvil]

people are bringing sanfew, the venom isnt the issues

[lone remnant]

you can walk orb and pray

ive done it, like, several times

like i said gnomonkey said it day 1 and people have just been parroting it

[meager flame]

yeah you can do a lot of things but that doesn't mean its a good idea or isn't the most likely way to get killed

[lone remnant]

having orb is not a death sentence

[meager flame]

which is why everyone wants to skip

[lone remnant]

i dont have zcb

[formal sentinel]

You have like 3 paths no matter where you stand. Add some rocks to block some, leaving just 2, then 1 in later delves

[lone remnant]

im missing the skip 80% of the time anyways

its really not hard fellas

tbow far rock

2 tbows on boss

hit rock next to you

i heard magic logs are better cause the totems take too long to despawn on redwoods

i know that doesnt answer ur question but yeah

[onyx egret]

So should I be using elite void if im tapping out after delve 7? And if so do I use scobo and tbow only on racecar or just camp tbow anyway

[small anvil]

tbow is better than scobow if you have it iirc

scobow is required for grubs, also nice for charging phase that isnt punish

[onyx egret]

Also if anyone has advice on racecar for delve 7 I would appreciate it. I have been getting hit with the third shockwave literally every time lmao

[lone remnant]

whatever feels comfy to you. I personally fw masori + serp

[true talon]

Just saw an interesting video with possible web weaver tech

[onyx egret]

I try to steer him away from the rocks but I still run out

[lone remnant]

after hit, you can run under him to make him not dash

run under him towards a wall

[onyx egret]

Oh wtf

[lone remnant]

yeah i usually do first 1 a close rock, then after slam i run under, then run to another rock and then your 3rd should be a lot easier

[onyx egret]

And do you recommend elite void or should I just stick with majority

Masori*

If im being honest im mostly tempted by the death fee reduction from void lmao

[lone remnant]

do what makes u feel good

from what i heard its not a huge difference outside of racecar

[small anvil]

void is better in race car, worse not in racecar

[onyx egret]

Okay, appreciate it c:

[small anvil]

in late waves i think there's proportionally more race car

[onyx egret]

I suppose i can test it and see how it feels anyway

I just go through the lobby and see literally everyone in void lmao

But theyre probably doing 8+

[small anvil]

most people are probably not on 8+

it's likely death fees

it's often worth it to stretch for an extra attempt so the death fees matter

also the streamers doing late are probably in void

[onyx egret]

Yeah i wish I learned the boss in void because goddamn I have spent a lot in death fees

[small anvil]

and thats def gonna influence people

[onyx egret]

Makes sense

[formal sentinel]

I started learning in Void yesterday. Death fees are like 50k lmao

[small anvil]

you could probably downgrade some things to bring it lower lol

ember/arclight can be traded to darklight or sulphur blades

magic weapon can be skull sceptre or slayer staff

[formal sentinel]

Going by how death fees are calculated, I shouldn't be less than 100k, so maybe the fees are halved for the first bit? I know I should have had at least 1 10m+ item, which should've been 100k, but I swear last death was 55k or so

[small anvil]

the items kept on death

dont count

[formal sentinel]

I might try downgrading Emberlight actually.
I'll just go get a Silverlight and bring that lmao

Yeah, but I had Scobow, Emberlight, Nox Hally kept IIRC. Also had Anguish with me

[small anvil]

you can also use claws there

bclaws

[formal sentinel]

Yeah. I have those. I'm trying Nox hally from someone else's suggestion.
It poisons (I'm not using poisoned arrows), and gives me an extra tile in case of acid splatter

Brought BGS too, but I think I might swap that for bclaws

[true talon]

Any item below 10m is 5k to reclaim

So downgrading synapse weps or using araena boots instead of pegs

Light bearer instead of venator

Can drastically reduce how much it costs

[formal sentinel]

Me using RotG cause I wasn't speccing enough

[regal belfry]

If folks want to 👍 this guy https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1398329961793851635

Let's remove the random events around the gemstone crab, similar to no randoms around shooting stars 🙂

[true talon]

You can do this with entity hider

[regal belfry]

well yea, but you could also do that with shooting stars and they still removed em

[tough dew]

lets add more random events around the gemstone crab

[hard axle]

I think we should add HCIMbane to Gemstone Crab

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1948677195058049266

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

There has been a calamity at the Crab.

The stats team can confirm that THREE HCIM (1 regular and 2 Group HCIM) have been taken down by
the Gemstone Crab 💀

We'd like to remind all HCIM players that the max hit of the Gemstone Crab is 1 so please be careful!

X · Jul 25, 2025, 9:30 AM

[small anvil]

let it hit 2s vs hcims

[tough dew]

gemmy should focus hcim and dh users

[vestal cosmos]

Bare minimum to theoretically be able to kill early floors (1-4):
Silverlight/Darklight (need to drop trick your Ember/Arclight to reclaim)
Slayer Staff set to autocast Inferior Demonbane
Throwing knives to kill Ranged grubs
High accuracy Ranged weapon for damage (Rune Crossbow + shield, Crystal Bow, Heavy Ballista, etc)
Obviously upgrades help with kill speed.

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see any good reason to remove events at gem crab, I think most people still want their lamps and rolls at stale baguette

[vestal cosmos]

I’m pretty sure Defense doesn’t matter at Doom so just bring your best power gear

[chrome lantern]

It’s not like crabs/forestry, people are pretty spread out across worlds

[regal belfry]

I guess, from what I've seen though is most people don't actually do them. They just sit there spamming "hey so and so do this random"

I'm just one person though so

[tough dew]

Random Event Hider

[vestal cosmos]

There’s a plugin to disable the click boxes on other people’s random events. Still can be annoying to see them but you won’t click them and get the “she isn’t interested in you.” message.

[tough dew]

the one i just mentioned can actually hide the other players entities entirely

[vestal cosmos]

Honestly I still do every random event I get, they’re just a fun distraction for no real rewards.

It’s a game for fun, so if you enjoy randoms like me, do randoms. If you don’t enjoy randoms, don’t do them.

[regal belfry]

Yea that is a good take on it

[chrome lantern]

I haven’t personally really seen people tel others to do randoms in like 10 hours at gem crab but sure

People ignore randoms anywhere in the game so I don’t really see it any differently

[cedar shoal]

is there any way to make the sound of a projectile hitting you to be uniquely louder?

specifically the sound of delve boulder attack projectile hitting you makes a very usable audio cue that you can react to and switch your prayer

but in later delves the audio cue gets drowned out by all the other noises

[formal sentinel]

Maybe use the Sound Swapper Plugin? Idk if it does those sounds. If so, could download the sound file, make it lower, and swap original for louder one.
There's also Visual Sounds. That's make a visual notification for that sound, but again I don't know if that does it for that sound or in that area either

[cedar shoal]

yeah visual sounds is crazy

ty

[formal sentinel]

lmk if you got the IDs/names for any of the delve boss sounds. I'd be interested to try that too

[cedar shoal]

oh damn i need to find the mage one

i wonder what a good sound to replace them with would be

needs to be super easy to react to

[formal sentinel]

The charging phase has a sound, but it's fairly quiet and I kinda wanna either make that more noticeable or give it a visual cue that isn't the same piss yellow as the venom splats

Oh lmao, it just uses the same sounds as levi? nice

[cedar shoal]

nothing showed up when he started charging weird

is there a third category besides sfx/ambient sounds

[formal sentinel]

Interesting. There is definitely a sound so idk

[cedar shoal]

ok nvm im dumb
i though area sounds were the same as ambient sounds

but I looked at the visual sounds plugin again and I only had sfx ticked but not area sounds

[formal sentinel]

Oh sick, thanks

So one or more of those is charging phase sounds

[cedar shoal]

I think 10297 is the charge sound? sounds like its the same sound repeated

if there was a tool/website to just ender a sound ID and hear it that would be sick

[formal sentinel]

If Sound Replacer lets you use sound IDs to replace with, I can make that work to temporarily swap sounds and see

[cedar shoal]

yeah it seems like you need to use a .wav file for sound swapper

would be nice if you could just use swap IDs around

maybe you can idk

[cedar shoal]

actually this is definitely the charge sound

i think 10297 is the rock maybe

[vast topaz]

The beast mode gamer jmods need to speedrun wave 1 and 8 of delve and give them gm times

For realllll

Wave 1 gm time resetting cinema

[tacit wharf]

i could see a wave 1-6 gm total time

[vast topaz]

Lenient wave 8 time with enrage phase skip

Cinema

Wave 1 needs to be master and gm times

[vestal cosmos]

I really don’t think Wave 1 deserves a Grandmaster time. Waves 1 and 2 look not much more difficult than Scurrius honestly, and for the speed kills you might just tank most of the mechanics rather than waste time avoiding them.

[hard axle]

Jagex will make 1 GM time and that’s it

[ember token]

maybe something like

elite time, delve 1-4, master time, delve 1-6, gm time, delve 1-8

[small anvil]

GM time is gonna be wave 8 surely

i dunno if they'll to times for the other waves

when just reaching them will be similar enough

[vast topaz]

Yeah I agree it should be wave 8

But missed opportunity not making a standalone wave 1 gm time

Muspah style

[ember token]

not a missed opportunity when they havent even released CAs for it yet

[vestal jetty]

Oath plate armor droped so much in price why?

[ember token]

bots

and also you dont use it at the new boss which slightly contributed

[warped elm]

anyone insane enough to try varlamore fletching post 99?

[nocturne solstice]

I have 99 fletch and ive been doing the minigame

It hurts seeing how much xp it is

[warped elm]

fuck it we ball

is it good for magic roots or are they pretty rare

[nocturne solstice]

hard to say.... i think i got like 6 total from maybe 10-20 laps?

I wasnt really counting tbh

maybe closer to 10 laps

[warped elm]

i have so many irits and so little antidotes/venoms

[true talon]

Shit now i have another dragon ammo item to complain about

how the hell am i gonna get dragon knives?

[small anvil]

isnt that hydra

and also dknives is apparenlty not as good as zcb

[true talon]

ya it would be wyrms or hydra but i have 1600 hydra kills with only 127 knifes lol

glad they arent actually good, getting them is like next level insanity

Jagex should start thinking about how to produce dragon ammo though....... its kinda insane if they accidently make something like d knives meta.

[vestal cosmos]

Yeah they made the dragon thrown weapons (except darts) super rare so they can be a Slayer collection log slot but that also makes the supply exceedingly low.

[vestal cosmos]

I saw this thread a while ago about melting down surplus dragon alchables (daggers, med helms, etc.) into dragonmetal (orikalkum) ammunition.

[true talon]

would be nice, im pissed i keep having to turn this stuff into raw gp....

Max cash on the iron or bust

[tacit wharf]

sure they'll have to do something so we can get dragon cannonballs when sailing releases

though, do hope they do something about the smithing skill at the same time as well

[true talon]

Im really surprised no1 has noticed arkan blade is a 60 attack voidwaker that costs 75k

[gentle badge]

same lol

hard to believe they almost gave it aoe burn damage

[true talon]

[small anvil]

why would you compare anything to vw if it doesn't auto hit

that's why vw is good

[true talon]

because this costs 75k and is 60 attack

Also it leaves a burn for 10 damage which means it technically hit 85

oh an its 30% spec

[violet sigil]

I stand by we should be able to craft dragon ammo

Fuck mains

[sacred skiff]

I mean, they could also craft or not craft, depending on their situation. Idk if anyone is hurt by craftable d ammo

Honestly the d knives thing is funny, but like even weapon poison ++ sucks ass to get in any large amount if we wanna poison arrows for Moki

[chrome lantern]

That just means you never got a drop of them

[true talon]

doesnt hurt anyone, becuase then they can take it off the fucking tables of monsters (you dont see ameythst dropping everywhere)

if they take it off the monsters, then bots dont massively produce it and it will have higher value for mains to skill an produce it themself.

[chrome lantern]

If only you could poison more than 5 arrows with one weapon poison (why is it so low)

[true talon]

or bots can just fletch it if its profitable to do so

[sacred skiff]

Lol 5 arrows is so silly

I guess I could start farming belladonna

[true talon]

its great stuff like this is not relevent, it shows flaws in some of the aspects of the game.

[true talon]

you can get it from kalphite queen i think lol

[sacred skiff]

By the time I have a stock maybe I’ll be solid enough at Moki for it to matter

That’s so much worse lmao

[true talon]

Sarachanis stonks

[chrome lantern]

I have these too ig

I'm definitely not going to bother with poison at delve until they fix the larvae eating all your arrows though

[earnest marsh]

just bring broad arrows 😉

and rune

[chrome lantern]

Unironically I was just thinking and I might bring emerald bolts for poison switch lmao

With my zcb

Really high proc chance

[chrome lantern]

That is a good idea to bring a switch tbh I've just been chewing into amethyst

[true talon]

Mohka death coffer saver

[vestal cosmos]

Voidwaker at home:

but yeah this seems a bit strong to do more damage than an AGS spec

Also with a surge potion you can just dump the Arkan spec 4 times in a row 4 ticks apart which is disgusting

Honestly it might be “the new DDS” or something like that

[chrome lantern]

Surely dropping anguish is trolling

[small anvil]

tass is just a hoarder

surely you have enough dupes of stuff to have a crazy coffer

even if you dont have the torm orn kit

err anguish orn kit

[ember token]

damn the anguish ornament kit is up 7m

[chrome lantern]

Update

I don't think emerald bolts work

(They are in fact enchanted)

[small anvil]

the poison dmg is not gonna match a ruby proc tho

[chrome lantern]

Not for spec

It's supposed to have a 55% proc chance

Just naturally

[small anvil]

how many poison ticks will there be in the ~50-80s of a wave

[chrome lantern]

Excellent question

[small anvil]

every 30 ticks

[chrome lantern]

So like 3-4

24 damage, round that to a 50% proc chance and it should be a 12 damage on avg to shoot once

[small anvil]

p++ is 6 dmg ticks

1/8 to apply

[chrome lantern]

ZCB emerald bolt is 6

55% chance to apply

Also for arrows pretty sure it's only a 4 damage on p++ xd

[small anvil]

oh i did miss that part

you're right, 4 dmg on ranged weapons

in addition to the lower proc chance

[chrome lantern]

It's also entirely possible it's proccing and I just don't notice

Because I just tested on some other targets and I heard the sound effect xd

[small anvil]

doesn't seem worth the missed tbow/scobow shots

[chrome lantern]

The animation might just be entirely blocked by its body

Funnily enough, looking at the dps calc for expected hit

It looks like it's very close to break-even if you assume 3 poison ticks lmao

So definitely not worth the effort

[small anvil]

just bring a poison arrow stack if you wanna be extra bout it haha

at least it's always gonna be extra dmg at that point

[chrome lantern]

Yeah this whole discussion was that poisoning arrows is awful

[small anvil]

if you have a 2nd stack that you only use early you could use way less was what i was thinking

[tender harness]

nono, the tech is to get fire arrows from underground pass, and shoot the boss with scobo

[gentle badge]

I'm so glad they FINALLY gave burning arrows a use

[chrome lantern]

huh

[bronze kernel]

It's even better now with the new belladonna patch

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I just planted some lol

I had enough shade already to make 88 poisons, enough for 440 whole poisoned arrows

[winged mantle]

could be the clickbox. there's a gap in the front and found my character running to the boss

[sacred skiff]

The new belladonna patch meaning that they stack now? Or is there a second patch?

[true talon]

Everyone saying just use ameythst, dont understand that not using dragon is = to not wearing an anguish.

[icy relic]

7 pretty comfy with amethyst

8 should be about the same if I stop fucking up the prayers

[sterile breach]

can the "losing arrows 100% of the time" when hitting grubs be fixed already?? this is ridiculous

having to use amethyst over dragon arrows now because of it

[normal tiger]

Wait really

Is that why Ive been using so many arrows

[ember token]

not getting fixed til monday at earliest

[normal tiger]

Clue bottles at drift net still isn't fixed so I'm not confident

[fossil epoch]

Is there a way to see the difference between punish mechanic and demonbane waekness/grub mechanic?

[normal tiger]

Overhead

[fossil epoch]

ah of course lol

idk why i just kept staring at the animations

[normal tiger]

Also if you listen really closely he says uwu punish me

[sterile breach]

yes, severe bug

don't use dragon arrows here, biggest sink ever, my 800 stack has halved in the past hour with a quiver..

[normal tiger]

"stack"

That sucks

But it is a bug themed boss

[sterile breach]

ive seen it get said in a few streams, its the only explanation i can think of

[fossil epoch]

Yeh it really sucks, been using rune arrows because cba mining amethyst and no way im using dragons here on an iron

[sterile breach]

true, only makes sense

[normal tiger]

I'm just not gonna bother with this boss for a few weeks

[sterile breach]

yep, super sad, as if the disadvantage isnt already big enough when not having tbow :p the boss is literal cheese with zcb and tbow

[normal tiger]

There's just too much shit

[fossil epoch]

im even using a tbow, but thats still the same arrows

[normal tiger]

That's annoying and potentially targetable for touching up

[sterile breach]

ya, i just mean tbow in general, arrow loss aside

see all the top streamers just cheese this boss because they skip mechanics

[normal tiger]

Watching players do doom with tbow and zcb and scythe is like watching a different boss

[sterile breach]

the bubble mechanic is by far the most fuck around mechanic, and most streamers dont even make it to it

[normal tiger]

Lower ttk is fine but this is ridiculous

[sterile breach]

yep, welfare game without it

lower ttk would be fine if mechanics like bubble + doing 4 prayer switches in same tick weren't a thing

but being able to skip that entire phase is OP

would be nice if they tested the game based on the "average" setup as well as the "max" setup, because time and time again its like a whole different boss fight between the two

[normal tiger]

Tbh it feels almost intentionally hostile to irons lol

[sterile breach]

what content isn't lately lol, 1/600 TDs, 20 fire runes + hella soul runes for dark demonbane (yama)

makes you really wonder why we chose the iron route, its like playing games from the discount bin, being forced to not do the latest content because of not having all 3 megarares (or even 1 mega)

[normal tiger]

-500 hour grind for tbow
-2-300 hr grind for scythe
-idk like 70 hours for zcb
-a very involved process with relatively scarce primary (coconut milk) which you have to turn into potions and then use them on arrows to make fucking 5 of them
-dragon ammunition is actually really important since you want to skip orb as consistently as possible

And there's no in between

The next best is dogshit comparatively and doesn't even come close to clearability

[sterile breach]

ye, ive had significantly longer fight durations since dropping d arrows

and im paying for it

[normal tiger]

I like iron because it's kind of boring and reductive otherwise but like idk it really feels like Jagex has been slowly turning up the knob on making being an iron super annoying

[sterile breach]

yeh because whenever they try throw us a bone, the other parties throw a bunch of hate towards "catering" for us

[small anvil]

What is this victim complex going on here

Jagex has moved towards iron being easier hard

It's weird to be claiming otherwise

Yama helps irons skip nex

Moons helps them skip bandos

Titans helps them get prayers much earlier

The arrow thing is obviously a bug and will be fixed

[ember token]

varlamore part 3's got no req shops for the early irons, selling mith/addy axes and cosmic runes

[small anvil]

Also really easy sawmill next to bank

[normal temple]

irons really will get 15 updates targetted specifically at them and say "jagex hates us"

[normal tiger]

Mains will see features that benefit all players and shit their pants in rage because irons count as part of all players

[ember token]

example?

[normal tiger]

Dupe protection and dry protection

The most recent example being yama's oath plate shards essentially topping out how dry you can go for a full set

[normal temple]

I don't think I've seen any people complain about those because of ironmen

[small anvil]

How is shards a main benefit? It just evens out the profit a bit at the cost of tanking the value of oath

[normal tiger]

Well I have seen tons of complaints lol people pointed to it as proof that Jagex is catering to irons rather frequently leading up to and after release

[small anvil]

Crafting doesn't give a clog

So cloggers don't benefit

[normal tiger]

How does it tank the value of oath lol

[small anvil]

Because so much oath made it onto the market so quickly

[normal tiger]

Do you think they forgor about expected time to get oath plate when designing it

And just added it as a freebie

[small anvil]

How dry you go for a full set is not a thing that matters to mains, trying to paint it as if it does is just silly

Only cloggers will care and they don't get a clog from shard crafts

And honestly they missed so badly on drop rate I do wonder

[normal tiger]

Implying that leveling out profits provides no benefits to mains is just silly

Does a main spending 50 hours to not get a unique feel no pain?

Just buy the profit off of the ge omegalul?

And in any case you still haven't explained why oath plate shards had a cost; the expected oathplate influx would've been balanced the same whether they added the shards or not

You really think Jagex was like okay let's make this 1/200 it'll be rare enough, then added another source for oathplate from the same boss, and didn't think about the effect on expected oathplate income?

And they also designed an entire system to turn those shards into armour with the intent of provididing profitable skilling methods for mains, and still didn't think about how it would add more pieces to the game?

Claiming they made oathplate too common is one thing, claiming shards are in any way guilty for that is pure conjecture and kind of absurd

[sterile breach]

in the end bro the convo is always going to be the same, the irons that have spent 100+ hours at one boss for an item that doesn't really justify it are the only ones that are going to agree with dry protection and better drop rates, mains have no idea generally what its like to grind, grind miserably, with scraps, over and over again for a sniff of power

[normal tiger]

Also designing a boss to be significantly more pleasant/easy/profitable if you already have a 1.8b+ bank and absolutely miserable if you don't absolutely affects mains lol

[small anvil]

Irons opt into the harder game mode. The game should not be made easier to accommodate irons who choose that harder road. Blood moon eviscerated bandos.

Designing around irons means higher drop rates and letting the market value of things collapse. Shards as dry protection means that in 600 KC mains fill out their own oath plus inject an entire extra piece into the market. That's way too fast for how strong oath is.

If you must make dry protection make it like moons, not like shards

But acting like jagex isn't actively designing with irons in mind is just delusional

And acting like jagex is somehow persecuting irons is even more absurd

[ripe spoke]

damn.. once more a mechanical boss.. and still no worlds ins South America.. its soo hard with +150ping 😦 I just wish a few words would open for LATAM.. plzzzzz

[fossil epoch]

its probably not happening, and its gonna continue getting requested, for south america, middle east and east asian countries.
It seems like it strictly a matter of if jagex thinks its a worthwhile investment, and if it was, it would have been released asap.

Its not even a decision for the regular jmods in here or the ones we generally see, its much higher up who decides those things, probably wont happen.

[viscid sequoia]

this boss is hard man. kicking my butt

[ripe spoke]

so sad for it to be that way, bosses are getting harder and harder

[fossil epoch]

yeh, really sucks for all those regions not being able to have decent ping, it is getting more and more of a requirement

Now this is obviously only my guess, but im guessing that a lot of those regions are also known for having produces quite a few gold farmers over the years, not only in runescape, but also other games. So while the servers really cant be that expensive compared to the increased revenue from more subscribers from those regions, i do think its because they would in turn make the problem jagex already has with gold farmers, just turn it up to a point where they think they might lose american/european customers. Obviously just a guess, i have no way of knowing why jagex dont think its a worthwhile investment

[hard axle]

It's often just security and copyright infringement. It's why companies often don't want to work with China, even though it's a massive market.

[fossil epoch]

yeh it is a lot harder to work with china, but there is so many other regions that isnt as hard to work with

the security aspect im sure plays a major role aswell

[hard axle]

And the initial setup cost is actually the problem too. Additional servers don't cost much - Ash said this as well.

Japan is actually disgustingly expensive to host

[sterile breach]

This same braindead retort is what I hear over and over and over again and why I don't even bother

Always the same shit, people trying to safeguard the value of items so they can make billions from each content release rather than focusing on balancing the game. Greedy mfs. Mainscape chasing the $$$ is the issue.

[normal tiger]

I'm not surprised that you entirely missed my point and went on an entirely different tangent about the same old tired "hurrr you chose to limit yourself". The inclusion of dry protection has nothing to do with expected drop rates. If they wanted oathplate to take 150 hours they'd adjust both the drop rates and the "dry" protection rates to that end. If they wanted to balance around 3 pieces in 70 hours, they'd have it such that you get 2 expected drops and 1 protected drop. They aren't balancing around 80 hours and then adding another piece as a freebie. Calling me delusional when you can't grasp such a simple concept is peak osrs brain rot, as is acting like all content is a monolith of either pro or anti iron; there can be pro iron content and anti, hard as that might be to imagine.

[kind sail]

agree with this

[kind sail]

yo how the hell is it brain dead

it literally is what it is

you chose to be an iron

no one is stopping you. You can literally deiron whenever youd like

[hard axle]

Oathplate shards being tradeable was inherently bad because it meant the first oathplate set was in the game within the first 10 of minutes of Yama dying. If you wanted dry protection, there’s no reason why it couldn’t have been untradeable and less shards, rather than letting you cash in right away. It’s largely why SRA is still 300m and immune to bots and casual players because you need ~3000 DT2 kc to complete it.

One of you knuckleheads was saying how mains don’t have to grind XYZ for 50 hours and that couldn’t be further from the truth. Mains still have to grind, but they choose what they want to do.

And let’s be real, if we’re talking about people who actually play all parts of the game, pet hunters and cloggers are at the peak

[fossil epoch]

Yeh but the SRA was maybe a bit too rare in retrospect

[hard axle]

I find it ludicrous someone actually claiming that Jagex is “persecuting” irons when they’ve literally considered them in every single patch.

[covert rose]

[hard axle]

Yeah, agreed. But one thing I do think is that they should not make each piece tradeable.

[fossil epoch]

yeh jagex does ALOT for irons, mainly because iron focused updates also heavily helps the non top efficient players

[kind sail]

long and short of it is jagex said they wouldnt cater to irons, and theyve done nothing but cater to them every update

take what you get honestly, its a LOT easier than it used to be

[hard axle]

I really like the Araxyte Fang, Mokey Cloth, and the general idea that drops are untradeable until you process it with skilling, especially if you can sink a prior item along the way.

Multi piece drops are great in that sense too.

[fossil epoch]

Yeh its a great anti botting measure

[hard axle]

truly

[small anvil]

A had to skill to sell his conflict gauntlets

I was very chuffed about it

[hard axle]

[covert rose]

so what's everyones opinions on varlamore p3 so far?

[hard axle]

that’s me after mokey puts me in the ground

[small anvil]

I'm too bad to delve

[fossil epoch]

Could use some more of it

great update

[hard axle]

we can fix this

[small anvil]

I haven't explored more besides delve honestly

Did the quests

Haven't touched the fletching mini game

[kind sail]

i have literally been stuck inside doom since 2 hours after the update

ive gone nowhere else

[small anvil]

Did a bit of forestry in varla

[fossil epoch]

Greenlogged all the new stuff except delve, so we working on those uniques now

[covert rose]

oo gl

[small anvil]

What was there besides the fletching

I didn't even remember

I've banged my head against delve and felt bleh cuz bad lol

[hard axle]

Gem crab

[small anvil]

Oh right the crab

[hard axle]

Which in hindsight and change of mind, should have a pet

[small anvil]

It's kinda more approachable than nmz but no real reason people should be doing it instead

[hard axle]

Hear me out

[small anvil]

It's just stars for combats

[fossil epoch]

midlvl slayer stuff

[hard axle]

1/1k gem crab pet

[small anvil]

You just want an excuse to afk

Oh right the custodia stalkers

Haven't tried out the guard yet

[fossil epoch]

iirc it got the wrong stats atm

saw people say it was supposed to have -15 defence and +5 prayer
but it has -25 defence and +4 prayer

[small anvil]

Yeah it's more negative I heard

[fossil epoch]

havent bothered looking up the blog, cuz im not really gonna use the item anyway, its was just a clog

[small anvil]

I'll do it eventually

Probably

[sterile breach]

the "you chose to be an iron" retort shouldn't be the "goto" to just sweep certain decisions under the rug, how is it not braindead? dismissing game mechanic/ design consideration for ALL modes of play is a no-brainer? 9/10 people that say it have never ironed in their life, whereas irons have played both variants of the game, and 9/10 its dismissed to "hold value" of items for mains to main $$$

[ember token]

yeah it has its original stats instead of its revised stats

[small anvil]

Man the whiny iron caricature really is just so accurate

[sterile breach]

yeah, genuine discussion can come across as whiny to the uncivilised, I do agree

[cedar shoal]

is there any way to low detail the delve floor similar to tob bloat

to see the shadows better

great idea having shadows blended with a dark ground btw

[kind sail]

Low detail plugin king

[cedar shoal]

im already using that its not enough

[sterile breach]

that would be nice

[cedar shoal]

oh yeah Im not sure the tob bloat thing is low detail exactly

i need to find the plugin

[hard axle]

It’s not low detail. It’s just hiding the specific tile Id and relying on skybox

There’s probably a plugin that you can debug and remove the infernal/red entirely

[cedar shoal]

yeah how do you do that again

[hard axle]

Just like pnm

remind me tmr to try to figure it out

Chances are you will need multiple tile Ids since they’re different shades

[slender vapor]

Muh economy

Really though. Both mains and irons sometimes need to be told to sit

There's wildly whiny people on both ends

[fossil epoch]

Kinda wild this went from 4.4m to 11.3m
would have been some prediction to make and invest in lol

[earnest marsh]

Cheaper death coffer 😮

Good investment

[rare grotto]

game shouldn't be designed for ironmen

dumb game mode 👍

[sterile breach]

Designing game for ironmen does nothing to mains. Designing for mains does everything for irons. Stupid comment, with no backing.
Maybe you're just too dumb to be good at it, appreciate or understand it?

[nocturne solstice]

Insult the argument not the player

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see how anyone can argue that catering to irons has no effect on mains

It absolutely always will, by design, otherwise you wouldn’t care on the iron either

The one catering fix I would support is fixing larvae to not consume 100% of arrows

[fossil epoch]

It will however also cater to a vast majority of non efficient players when irons are catered to

[fossil epoch]

That one also just seems like a bug, and not intended

atleast i hope its not intended

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the boss and the larvae are definitely bugs

Insects are scary

[last onyx]

Any chance we can have the drop rates for Delve soon? A bit demoralising atm as it seems the drops is like megarare and no idea

[rare grotto]

designing for ironmen means making stuff accessible for pisslow irons eg economy gets binned

can't believe i have to explain this

not to mention if ur designing content for said pisslow irons it will automatically be easier

imagine if everyone had max gear then u can take that into account and make bosses have a higher skill floor

whereas now well if it can't be done in moons gear then it just won't get released

[sterile breach]

Why would designing for irons mean targeting the low irons rather than mid game+?

[rare grotto]

because the majority of irons are in low/mid lvl gear at best

[sterile breach]

Drop rates don't affect shit for mains?

[rare grotto]

?

chat is this bait

[sterile breach]

Just stops them from making ridiculous gold on release

Items should have value based on the skill required to get it, instead of just being a low drop rate

[rare grotto]

it depends on other factors as well, the one u mentioned specifically is warped because of irons

skill floor is lower because they have to make it doable in dogshit gear

[earnest marsh]

half a year to next update

roadmap update

[nocturne solstice]

Nah we get updates every week

[dire mango]

Rates are a fundamental part of what balances the osrs economy. If things dropped based on the "skill required to get it" they would all be dirt cheap as it wouldn't take long for the most skilled players to flood the market.

[oblique mesa]

Prices are dirt cheap compared to where they should be because of the thousands of bots

Easy example is soul runes after soul wars got nuked

[vestal jetty]

Lol have u seen prices of yama drops after bots took over lmao jagex lost to bots

[true talon]

Most my iron CC went atleast 1k+ yama for oathplate, it was rare to see someone get it below being able to nearly craft 2 pieces. myself went 1723 with 3 shards off crafting my 2nd piece before i got the legs. oathplate was not ungodly common, it was crashed due to oathplate shards being tradeable and now all the bots that are doing it. ontop of helms having no purpose, so mains flooded the market with legs/plates and then oathplate contracts made this worst once they were solved. you have the HLC flooding the market with tons of legs/plates to the point were helm finally started to match them lol.

[dire mango]

Im mostly talking about gear and weapons. Bots affect those too ofc, but those are the items that irons tend to complain about, and wants made less rare in most cases i've seen.

[true talon]

ive only interacted with the deleve, and i think the boss is great. it needs a bit of QOL to were the strategy is not find a way to dps as hard as possible to bypass the one jank mechanic that will end your run.

[rare grotto]

irons blaming bots

u guys are not real

[dire mango]

If you think contracts are a major issue for the price of oathplate you have a fundemental lack in your understanding of how things get into the game.

The majority gets into the game due to normal drops, then its shards and then its contracts.

Oathplate is cheap because of how accessible yama is. Both to players and bots

[true talon]

this is the worst take i ever seen, its never designed for irons in low gear or low skill, its designed with ramping difficulty to include all player types. i think megas should be bis dps on end game content, i do not think they should make you die if you dont have them, because the mechanic all the best players are unable to do is being beaten with dps. its same argument i made of how dolofly ruined yama mechanically, because your using DPS to bypass actually getting to the hard part of the encounter which is jellies and wave skips. everyone is always so obessed with dps and going fast that they dont understand they are undermining the boss mechanical difficulty by just skipping what makes it hard. its the same concept in wow (you beat the hard part of the fight by just forcing a phase transition or out gearing having to deal with it)

[rare grotto]

never designed for irons in low gear? dude bis yama is demonbane weapons from tormented demons

did u even read what u typed

[dire mango]

None of the yama-fly methods rely on dps checking to skip a phase? They all have incorporated dealing with jellies and waves. It just gets rarer to get to that phase the better gear you have.

[rare grotto]

classic tassili imo, start from the conclusion (eg irons can't do no wrong) and find arguments like that

[dire mango]

And learning said methods is often (not always) more difficult that dealing with the mechanics "as intended" running over waves and maging jellies at yama is not peak osrs skill expression

[true talon]

ok? yama is a demon and they are demonbane weps. they were developed with the purpose of killing demons. accessible covers all player types, just not irons. there are some iron updates like warped sceptre and elemental weakness that cleans up early/mid game for magic for irons while mains just buy a trident. but a ton of updates done are not catering to iron, iron just benefit from them due to how our gear progression works.

[rare grotto]

??

"yeah they're all updates that benefit irons, but trust me bro it's not iron catering"

good argument

ur almost there

[true talon]

Would you say moons is an iron catering updating? when it produced armor for the 50 defense bracket and added a lot of niche pk styles for mains? would you say it not being same as barrow as it had dupe protection untill you finished the set as iron catering, more than just clog frustrations?

[dire mango]

Dupe protection is wholly for irons. What are you on about

[true talon]

its clog protection not dupe

[rare grotto]

moons destroyed iron prog i don't know what you are smoking, legit get good enough gear with that piece of content (0 reqs btw), skip CG and go straight to megarares

any form of bad luck mitigation is iron catering yes

[true talon]

no1 is doing this, besides already long time players. no new iron is going to moons an then right to raids.......

[rare grotto]

cant even react to this idiot's messages

bad rng

[floral blaze]

😮 he blocked you?

[rare grotto]

yeah

doesn't stop him from unhiding blocked message to keep baiting reactions etc

[true talon]

ya i see why now, its always the same with those guys. HLC crying about iron catering and content being to accessible and not tailor made for them and only them. they want to be the sole controllers of the market of new updates and want things to be only farmable by them lol. they dont want anyone else to be able to enjoy new updates, only the .01% should be allowed to. and if you question it, they will tell you its ok man just go do the fletching activity, this update isnt for everyone XD.

If you dont got all 3 megas and 11b bank then this update is not for you sorry

[rare grotto]

it's fine since 95% of updates are tailored for pisslow irons, just give us the 5% where content is hard

[true talon]

However i will agree that jagex shafts the end game player base when they do stuff like awakener orbs and contracts. these systems are awful design, do not work well in any game and they are really disliked.

[rare grotto]

disliked by irons

[true talon]

disliked by everyone. im sure 14b on awakener orbs (all funded though service selling) was a good investment for some of the best players in the game.

[dire mango]

People are annoyed when updates that are supposed to cater to them is watered out and changed because jagex wants it to be more accessible.

Imagine if jagex made scurrius, but instead of focusing on the intended audience, early/midgame players, they strapped on some endgame rewards, or tacked on phases with much harder mechanics to appeal to a wider audience. It would be an awful boss.

[true talon]

i dont see this problem at any boss. yama was a fine end game boss and so is mohka. i think this is a perception problem.

mohka has jank issues were the best strat is to just dps skip the problem

[dire mango]

You were just complaining about the low price of oathplate, which is an artifact of this wide accessibility at Yama.....

[true talon]

idc about the price of oathplate lol

i complained on its behalf of the mains who do

[dire mango]

So you do see the issue?