game-update

[austere mulch]

Which is kinda crazy

Bc like

That’s a huge portion of Magic combat

[hard axle]

that's my concern

It should just apply a debuff on the target

rather than a self-buff

[small anvil]

It's likely a self buff yeah

[paper spruce]

that won’t do shit bro aint nobody care about amount of chances

[small anvil]

Like I think that's the easiest way to program it given the description too

[hard axle]

[ember token]

yeah so you realize then what you're complaining about is silly and just how pvp works

[hard axle]

really frustrating cuz this basically self-harms itself

[paper spruce]

At the end of the day its just “ty coin” 😭

[small anvil]

Basically just doesn't work on Aoe then

[paper spruce]

rigged

just like how life works

[small anvil]

Cuz you're attacking alternating targets

[paper spruce]

it’s rigged

everything is rigged chat

[hard axle]

what's the chance they forgot to take out the 4t timer on the next spell

[paper spruce]

[small anvil]

Could test in single target

For that easily enough

[austere mulch]

At least this means if you ever find yourself being attacked by a single pker in multi, you can have an alt follow you to consume the double accuracy roll

[hard axle]

works much better in single target

[austere mulch]

[paper spruce]

I’m watching anime to feel better

I’m sad rn

y do I never win chat

[austere mulch]

I too am sad. Bc my dearest Soulflame horn was nerfed prematurely and unnecessarily. As was surge pot in tob

Mohka is fun tho

[paper spruce]

bro my pain is greater than yours

[ember token]

wrong channel btw snowy, this is the channel for discussing game updates

[paper spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/my-pain-naruto-pain-meme-funny-gif-19233231

[ember token]

#old-school

[paper spruce]

Oh shit this isn’t general chat

LMAO sorry

[small dagger]

Do we know when the world map (https://www.runescape.com/oldschool/world-map) is getting updated? I just realised it doesn't even have Menaphos 😦

Need an unlabeled osrs map for something and was waiting until update day only for my pog to become a sadge

[ember token]

good question but this isnt an unlabeled map

[small dagger]

oh you right I'm getting mandela'd I thought the website had an unlabeled world map

[tacit wharf]

would expect more of the world map to be filled out once sailing is released

[ember token]

they filled in menaphos with the final dawn

[small dagger]

yeah but today is finally the end of the black box era

[true talon]

orb mechanic bad reeeeee 😦

[hard axle]

definitely should've been a bit wider

[true talon]

Also fairly sure the mage mechanic on the grubs is not ignoring the tick delay

and is causing some bs

like if you attack the boss then try to mage a grub it dont work

this isnt case with either melee or range

[hard axle]

until someone creates a boak pattern, melee is just dead in water cuz of how annoying it is

like imagine if manticore, shockwave/javelin colossus all had a melee attack that overrode their normal attack patterns

[ember token]

yeah if you attack with spell it doesnt ignore the delay of your last attack but powered staves do

[digital jewel]

Question for those who remember better than I... Was the bridge fishing in Varla released today? or was that idea completely scrapped?

[normal tiger]

yeah the orb mechanic on its own isn't that bad but it feels like its interaction with all the other mechanics wasn't well thought out

[round lintel]

I find the shield annoying cuz is inconsistent, sometimes loads sometimes looks like it does but doesnt work or sometimes you are getting 3-4 attacks at the same time you are moving and is really annoying

[normal tiger]

not only is it really unweildy and small to follow along with, it doesn't feel like they considered how annoying it is to have poison/rocks in your path like at all

[round lintel]

The other thing is the charge forever attack, every 7 ticks boss is charging and is forcing you to move somewhere you dont wanna be leaving those boulders wherever you happened to be

[normal tiger]

yep

[round lintel]

like 7/10 attacks mf is charging like there is no tomorrow

[normal tiger]

him being able to just break cycle and whack you with a melee attack is especially awful considering the crystals for the orb spawn around him

[round lintel]

Yeah they need to chill on that charging attack

at least half if not 60-70%

is ridiculous that I had a lvl 1 with 9 out 10 auto attacks being charge attacks with the boulder

Hopefully they read the feedback

[true talon]

Ya the charging attack is kinda nuts how often it happens even on wave 1 lol

[hard axle]

the duration seems awfully short

like you have to time it right before the zebak roars

[true talon]

Overall i like the boss, loot needs to be a smidge better. orb mechanic needs to like trigger how leviath does and follow a set path

[hard axle]

regardless of how short the pathing you select, it should be same duration and longer

[true talon]

i think they meant the charging mechanic of the boss firing the big laser lol

he just randomly does it non stop

super fucking annoying

[normal tiger]

yeah

they could at least give you a max melee hit for your trouble so you can use like sgs or something but no

it's just 'hey fuck you haha'

[true talon]

btw for those without a zcb or a tbow.
Void scobo with light bearer double d charge an using the sco spec is pretty good

scobo spec does 10 extra damage for 25%

stacking up to 40 damage

[vestal cosmos]

Burnt Alan’s Bones?

[idle rapids]

you can only burn jogre bones lol

[digital jewel]

Why is Tempestus inaccesible? Varla not fully released...

[tacit wharf]

later update

[digital jewel]

sigh*

[tender harness]

why were people expecting tempestus lol

[tacit wharf]

same reason people saw menaphos and thought it was coming right away

[digital jewel]

If its in Varla I expected it tbh, I had thought this was the final varla release, but i suppose not. I just wanted whatever fishing thing that they mentioned forever ago

[ember token]

it's the last big expansion

there's still gonna be new content added to varlamore over time

[idle rapids]

This changes everything

[digital jewel]

Double sigh... Im just tryna fish lol. All fishing is boring, but that fishing that they mentioned forever ago got me excited for Varla when it was talked about

[idle rapids]

temporross is a little less boring than regular fishing

[ember token]

what fishing thing are you even referring to

[tender harness]

I dont even think there was anything discussed about tempestus and fishing lol

[ember token]

there hasnt been anything discussed about content in Tempestus period

[digital jewel]

Not Tempestus specifically...

[ember token]

?

[digital jewel]

It was some sort of tick driven bridge fishing, similar to how they ended up doing the Moons dungeon fishing, cant find the OG blog about it

yes ik everything is tick driven

[ember token]

I think what you're thinking of was a gamejam project

most gamejam projects do not make it into the game

[faint saffron]

GUYS

390 LMS still not working bro

wtf

[tacit wharf]

no1 cares

jagex went home like 10 hrs ago

[digital jewel]

hmmm ill look through some of those then to see if i can find it

[ember token]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Game_Jam_IV#Intensive_Skilling

[digital jewel]

GOAT, mans got all the data lol. Yes thats the one... Ig it wasnt something tied to Varla then. Upsetting, and I really wish we'd be able to poll these ideas more then just have them vanish, ty tho

[uncut shadow]

anyoen know if they commented about buffing the delve bosses loot

[ember token]

they havent

[tacit wharf]

not everything needs to piss out loot

[fair comet]

A lot of people care, actually

[tough nacelle]

do we know how close the dps is? I imagine its very similar

[uncut shadow]

you have a shit attitude

[tacit wharf]

🆗

[sharp tendon]

Normal loot is fine

We will need to wait and see the actual drop rates though on the uniques

[digital jewel]

Someone in our clan already got the staff(Delve 5), sold for 266m

[sharp tendon]

Only 266?

Dang it dropped

I just sold conflicting gauntlets for 181 mil

Pretty happy to see something on day on

[digital jewel]

Nice!

[tough nacelle]

the boots are like 1bil

[digital jewel]

Shit you and Data are both ambassadors, I guess I havent hopped in here for awhile lmao. I think Senny just got something like that when i was leaving

[tough nacelle]

the other two items are heading to sub 100 im sure

[half adder]

Banking and doom is kind of obnoxious.

someone kidnap one of those banking cows and bring it outside the temple.

[slender vapor]

To 'encourage' longer trips

But even delve scalers seem to bank after an 8 run

[half adder]

Also the multi-orbs (delve 2) are kind of obnoxious visually. if it lands right next to you, they are overlapped for pretty much the entire timer.

[fierce dust]

im sure people have mentioned this, but please please please fix the camera flipping in the hall leading to the delve 😄

[normal tiger]

idm a long runback but like damn delve is a seriously long runback

even the teleport doesn't bring you that close to the boss layer

[tender harness]

rework fart cloud gimmick

[normal tiger]

is that supposed to say fart cloud

[tender harness]

no just face when fart cloud doesnt work

for the 30th time

[normal tiger]

I meant the text paired with the image

[tender harness]

yes

[normal tiger]

also yeah projectiles being invisible because of weird rendering fuckery has always been a minor issue but it's pretty egregious in this boss

getting hit a 50 because something just didn't show up on the screen is not fun and at a larger scale it's kind of whack how long this issue has persisted

though I will concede that the rendering issues are some serious hard coded spaghetti and not an easy fix

[frail nebula]

this fletching knife is frankly incredible

I love it

[ember token]

op for wintertodt

[digital jewel]

someone already mentioned in #1221440992130109450

[chrome lantern]

So

I spooned Eye of ayak

I already have a shadow

Where is it useful

[dire mango]

Zulrah and tob

[chrome lantern]

Oh true tob

I don't have scythe yet so that's big

Zulrah maybe later when I need scales

[dire mango]

Might be good as a spec in some places (together with shadow), but haven't been fully worked out yet

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that's really what I was wondering tbh

I just ran some numbers and tried it at corp and it's not really good there

-Uses a lot of runes
-You lose a lot of magic defense
-You lose dps spec unless you bring a second full switch
-I don't have an imbued heart

[wispy current]

I think we all need to riot in falador over treads not looking like the designs we saw earlier

[normal tiger]

yeah it could do with being a bit darker

[winged mantle]

Use demon tears instead of runes?

[olive comet]

Camera angle resets every time I'm entering through room 2 and 3 of the delve cave - plz fix

[round lintel]

Anyone with boots, gauntlets or staff drop on lvl 4 or below at doom?

Heard people getting some drops but not a single screenshot

Looks like im trash at the game lvl 5 is my pb

[wispy current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511290692132274201/1397821111999402085/image.png?ex=68831ddb&is=6881cc5b&hm=69aaf881294d2a40cf2a9db20391a1cf0e0e5f9483bbcfb270b34744aa03b25e&

Not mine but it is possible

[round lintel]

Holly

[knotty herald]

banger update my mods

[shadow wave]

Anecdotally, I'm hearing Gauntlets from 2+, Staff from 3+, and Boots from 4+

[river elm]

When you enter the house where dog starts to attack you you can pick up knife from behind the wall. just a little bug to fix 😉

[wispy current]

I really think the blogs would have made it clear if uniques didnt drop from lower levels. Im pretty sure u can get them from any level prolly just more rare at the lower ones

[narrow folio]

If we're complaining about rotating the camera can we also fix the rotation entering verzik? Thanks.

[faint saffron]

BRO

can we fix 390 lms already

ffs

[pallid fable]

gj jagex breaking rev caves and all the agility short cuts are not useable

[meager flame]

i cant decide if i think the boss is good or not

like

i think its fun

but i also think the run back sucks and having to do filler boss fights before the fun part happens sucks

[faint saffron]

I hope the new boss isnt fun for u

[meager flame]

im also kinda confused about which part they thought was chill and repeatable unless thats supposed to just be the waves that you hate yourself while you're doing them

kinda think i'd rather the boss just start on the last few waves

[pallid fable]

continue to add updates but wont fix their game thats so broken

[median pine]

It’s probably really really rare for wave 2 -4

[dusky ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-gif-24013477

[median pine]

Like 1 in 5k

[meager flame]

but yeah its got some high points and some low points i suppose

[pallid fable]

naw, its annoying especially when you pay 100$ a month for my accs i play

n the game is broken as hell

[meager flame]

what part of the game do you think is broken enough that they should stop updating the game to fix them

[pallid fable]

every part of it? l0l

theres so many issues

ppl gettin roll backed randoml...me and my friends too

shits embarrassing ngl

[meager flame]

ya i was just checking to see if you were like actually saying anything or not

[pallid fable]

the other day i was doing the wildy bosses, i anti-pked someone, went to bank with the loot key i got and to bank my pvm loot, i resupplied/banked and went back up, logged out to wait for friends and i logged back in to me being back at ferox and not at callisto, with the same loot key i opened, same supplies/loot i banked just sitting at ferox. happened to 4/5 of the people i was playing with. luckily the 1 person that didnt have it happen was our buddy who got the pet

its just annoying, thats just 1 thing, theres too many. i just wanna play the game without fearing of getting def on my pure or something

few updates ago, range was giving mele shared xp

[dusky ferry]

melee on ranged? tf

[green dagger]

fix 390 lms allready

[shrewd fossil]

https://i.imgur.com/KsPX9cy.png so is the death fee here 1m or is update not working per usual

[pallid fable]

ppl were getting shared mel;e xp from blowpipe etc

pures n zerks ruuined

[quiet plank]

Who do I need to talk to in order to progress the custodia pass quest

It just says I have to investigate more and I've talked to everyone I've seen including the captain of the guard and the old dude by the sea

[nocturne solstice]

did you talk to the family

This one here

[true talon]

That looks like a normal death fee for an iron and its 500k for a normie.

Replace al shield phases with race car vroom vroom

[nimble nexus]

100 a month is kinda wild

[quiet plank]

Shadows of Custodia was a fun quest

[dreamy vapor]

Honest opinion of the new boss. I hate it, it's so inconsistent for challenge each level, it's frustrating, it's not even fun. At least Yama was fun.

[true talon]

I think boss is fun, the orb mechanic is not good and thats my only complaint.

also the race car slams, the safe spots dont seem to be indicated that much behind the rocks

you can be behind rocks and still get hit

[frail bough]

Glad the camera issues got fixed

[dreamy vapor]

I dunno, I hate the fact you can get like 8 charge up attacks in a row (not including the multi charge attack) so you get barely any DPS. Plus then the orb attack will path in ways that nothing else in the game paths. Then you can hit it with your emberlight on the charge up and roll a zero and nothing happens then you get blasted a 60 and it heals him like 500hp.

Also the melee slugs, no matter how you hit them you take 15 damage from them doing an AOE unless you've got perfect ping and can walk off in time. While trying to change prayer and avoid the acid blood.

[true talon]

Worms dont do damage to you if they hit the boss, you cant hit a 0/not stop the attack if you hit it with melee. the orb mechanic is only thing you described that just isnt just a skill issue.

[dreamy vapor]

I've hit the boss with my emberlight many times and seen a zero during the charge up. So unless it's bugged

[true talon]

doubtful even 0s end it, because you have 100% accuracy

[meager flame]

tbh my biggest complain is that the boss and the like

system surrounding it aren't very compatible

once you're on like wave 6

[true talon]

Every drop picture ive seen has been on wave 3/4 lol

[meager flame]

mistakes aren't like oh no im losing supplies my trip wont last very long

you're in lumbridge already

so its not like you're really worried about trip length/supplies etc

im sure it'll matter in the port video but lol

also yeah im ngl the whole orb phase

its hard right on higher waves when things work out correctly

but its also just terrible

[true talon]

ive given up trying to get it to work correctly, i just triple eat the slams and pray flick correctly

[hasty shard]

it just needs to be like 5x5 😭

[dire mango]

Thats how it looks when you have tons of people learning the boss. Few people getting far and people only posting when they get a drop skews your perception of rarity.

[dreamy vapor]

Itjust happened again for me on wave 1, two zeros in a row from emberlight.

[floral blaze]

[thick beacon]

just wanted to say great update on mokha super fun love getting my ass kicked

[true talon]

Good boss, orb mechanic bad. easier to just eat the slams with triple eats while flicking properly.

[thick beacon]

orb seems janky but i think alot of it is we might all just be a bit bad

see it more as skill issue/adjusting to the mechanics

[meager flame]

i dont think most people are ever going to like

"oh duh of course its npc pathing not player pathing slaps forehead while flicking everything perfectly and manually pathing around venom in the room with the correct timing so the slam doesn't delete them"

you know what i mean

lol

whats really going to happen is most people are going to get to that point and see they didn't get a super easy straight line and probably just get railed a lot

[fleet portal]

i doubt people will grind this boss anyways

can't wait to see the droprates being realeased so peopel realize how low it is in lower floors

[hasty shard]

i did exactly this i'll have you know

[meager flame]

also ngl

the click box on this thing is not great

lmao you see so many people trying to quickly do stuff and they click between the two halves of the shield and just sprint through melee and get slapped

[cunning glade]

Not wrong, cant even tell you how many times i clicked under trying to shield break

[odd pebble]

I’m not fond of the loot table. Unique rewards are fine, but it’s not good loot other than tears.

[austere mulch]

The orb paths like NPCs, which is predictable

Instead of straight -> diag (like players, it’s diag -> straight

[austere mulch]

Just send the rock cake stall with pneck instead

[true talon]

lmao

[cold kindle]

any one know of a plugin to highlight the yellow orb like on levi ?

i standing in and still taking damage i need to see were to stand extactly because it moving and i know ceter tile of the orb works but the out side tiles are werid

[echo heart]

new fletching activity is amazing, absolutely love it

[sick tinsel]

On Mokha does the guaranteed emberlight hit during the shield attack work with the special attack of the emberlight? Does it drain?

[cold kindle]

ive heard it does but idk if was trolled or not seems to make the kills go faster tho

that could be rng tho

[sick tinsel]

I'm lacking a spec weapon, don't have dwh for example

[sacred skiff]

I'm pretty sure the ID for it is 14715, which you can plug in to Better NPC Highlight

At least, that's the most recent ID I've added to my list, and I don't know what else it would be this recently

[cold kindle]

awesome ty ill thow it on and try it out tysvm

[dreamy vapor]

Okay, so the emberlight isn't hitting a zero, the thrawl is. But when the boulder explodes it cancels any action your character is doing (even if you've moved from the tile where the boulder will land) so you don't actually HIT the doom.

[cold kindle]

so it better to wait till boulder explodes then attack so to speak?

[true talon]

this only happens if you get hit by the falling rocks

[sacred skiff]

Are you sure it's cancelling actions? Because I'm just ctrl-clicking to walk before it explodes to (usually) dodge it, and it's not stopping me like Yama's meteor does. The issue with the charge, when I die to it, is usually that it's not a 0t thing like the grubs or cacti, so you have to wait until the 4-5 ticks from whatever ranged weapon you're using have passed before you can swing emberlight at moki

[true talon]

he doesnt stop your actions lol

[true talon]

yes if your on attack delay you cant hit right away

[sacred skiff]

But yes getting hit by the rock does make your character WHOA and walk back a tile, which delays you

Literally just died that way cuz I'm a goober lol

But the boss is fun

Would love a unique spoon buttt

[true talon]

only issue i have with the boss is the slam the jellyfish mechanic is garabage, also being behind rocks doesnt always protect you from the race car slam either

im being hit, despite being behind rocks

its just not good

comparing it to the quest boss fight. everything felt fair an telegraphed

[kindred owl]

You're supposed to dodge the race car attack, not hide behind boulders

[true talon]

you cant dodge the room aoe slam

you hide behind rocks

[kindred owl]

Skill issue then 🤷

[true talon]

being behind rocks is not always safe, there is no indication on what is safe

its not a skill issue, its a garbage ass mechanic not working properly issue

Boss is better if i just eat the slams pray flick properly an dps the boss, doesnt feel like a good mechanic if thats the case.

[hasty shard]

actually wait i've not been paying attention enough, is there no wave skip for the slam?

surely mod nox wouldnt allow guaranteed damage

[true talon]

it is there is no timing or wave skip from what i seen, its just 0 tick aoe damage in the room, even the range doesnt match the visual

[hasty shard]

nodders

[true talon]

you can be out of range of the visual an hit on other side of the room lol

You can be behind rocks and still take a 30

you can be protected by the orb an still get hit

that entire slam system needs work, but the rest of the fight is peak

[kind sail]

made a post about it : https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1397928633116655616

hopefully it explains everything well enough

[true talon]

My suggestion is to copy the quest boss mechanic were the floor lights up an then fire happens.

have the floor indicate safe spots an then the boss slam the room

with the floor safety spots changing eachtime

[kind sail]

oh yeah we talking about the racecar slam?

its dogshit

why can I run visually 10+ tiles and still take damage when nothing hits me

[true talon]

not just the race car slam but the leviathan orb mechanic as well

[kind sail]

go like my post!

we need them to fix it big time

[pearl patio]

He’s just salty he can’t afford death fees

[kind sail]

wdym e void 24k death fee zzzzzzzzzzz

[true talon]

Why my void death fee so high XD

[kind sail]

im using sco bow

are you using tbow?

[true talon]

i guess i could downgrade some items

like i dont need purging or ember

i can get a slayer staff and burning claws

i can downgrade boots to araena

[kind sail]

this is my billy bob setup

[dreamy vapor]

12K death fees

[kind sail]

if i swapped from b claws to arclight id probably be at 12k too

[true talon]

Ya this would be 10k lol

[pearl patio]

Speaking of poor should I sell my inq mace for gear

It’s useless right

[kind sail]

if you're not potting pnm its actually useless

[hasty shard]

even at pnm tbh

[pearl patio]

Ya scy content

[obsidian venture]

I legit use mace for rax for the mirror and toa core pretty much

Useless for the most part ye

[kind sail]

ah forgot about that

but like

even at rax and core

you have alternatives

for 300m cheaper

[silent saffron]

I wish you could use tinderboxes on trees

[hasty shard]

does ham joint max enough to deal with mirrorback now?

it hits 37 now, idr the veng hit max

[obsidian venture]

No clue

[sacred skiff]

I wouldn't mind if they fixed mage not being 0t either, but apart from that and some orb tweaks, this boss rocks lol

[obsidian venture]

Still haven’t tried it

Maybe tn maybe tmrw

[meager flame]

its good and its bad kinda

its one of those bosses thats probably worse off because of the stuff they built around it

but the actual fight itself once you sit through some waves is actually fun

[hasty shard]

im noticing this yeah

i also think you get delayed a tick like old autocast

[obsidian venture]

Wdym

[true talon]

its good boss, it wont need to many tweaks. if they remove or rework the orb/slam it will be pretty good.

[meager flame]

like

the boss fight itself once you're at like wave 6+ is really entertaining

the mistakes you make at that point also have a really high degree of like just killing you

but

[true talon]

i took a risk on going past 6 due to the awful loot. the uhh wave 7 was crazy lol

[meager flame]

they put it up there like some kind of endurance thing where you'll be trying to get in extra kills

where its more like if you mess up you die

so that part kinda failed lol

[true talon]

From what i seen you have to dps skip the orb mechanic on 7+ or you just die

literally nothing you can do

[true talon]

ya if you mess up you die, no ammount of brews is gonna save you from the combo's lol

[meager flame]

so like

if you could just go fight this thing at like wave 8 without having to do 7 waves

and it just dropped loot like a normal boss

this thing would be insane and fun

its sorta held back by the reset where you start at wave 1

i think it starts really being fun at like 6

[true talon]

yea wave 1-4 is like whatever. esp considering the drop table basically dont exist lol.

wave 1 an get 10 coal XD

[meager flame]

that part is great for like

[true talon]

i think so

[meager flame]

when you're trying weird stuff and trying to learn the boss mechanics one at a time

but when you're done with that

it feels like jagex is wasting your time

[pearl patio]

Yeah making it wave based was always gonna be annoying

We need a boss with 1 set difficulty that you can camp and is hard

No contracts, no orbs, no Invos, no waves, just click boss

[true talon]

Facts. but i know why we dont have it, it needs to be scaling difficulty to include everyone. as it justifys them putting the development resources towards it.

[meager flame]

yeah i kinda agree honestly they keep wanting to do new stuff but like

[true talon]

saying they develop something .01% of the community will interact with is not a very good investment for the company, as much as you hate it.

[meager flame]

lately i feel like they're taking away from the bosses with it

[pearl patio]

Idk stuff like inferno and raids weren’t inclusive to everyone and boosted player numbers

[true talon]

no they didnt lol

inferno didnt boost shit for player numbers

[pearl patio]

Ya they did go look at the player chart

Unironically toa did the least for players

[true talon]

thats false

[pearl patio]

At least active numbers. There was basically no toa boost

[restive estuary]

I would argue that end game aspirational content keeps players who would otherwise be done with the game

[meager flame]

it does both

[restive estuary]

that being said I don't think new players will see it and join, it's not an update for them

[true talon]

they dont need those players, they will come back as they are to deeply invested already.

[meager flame]

what happens is you get a lot of people watching the spectacle and interest in the game in general goes up

[true talon]

^

[meager flame]

but

it only works out when tons of people care about it

like the inferno was insane everyone was watching

[pearl patio]

How many new players go in and just do a few waves of Colo?

I’d guess 90+% of Colo doers are people trying to complete it

[hard axle]

?

You had OSRS on front page multiple times because people were hopping back and forth to see who was going to be first.

Same for Colo, which drives new player to the game.

There’s plenty of non-convers who still think OSRS is as low skill as in 2007, and then they see some of the modern mechanics and are shocked.

[true talon]

point is, they cant develop content with a single subset in mind. it needs ramping difficulty. its why wow has 4 tiers of raids

[thick beacon]

i can understand his arguement though

like alot of ppl watch pvp but dont do it

[pearl patio]

You definitely can develop content with a single subset. Cox was a huge success and they didn’t try and built it around all skill levels it was meant for endgame at the time

Again inferno big success as well

[thick beacon]

feel like early mid game players have everything to experince regardless

even if they dont do inferno etc they can do it eventually

[true talon]

cox actually was developed as a end game raid meant to be tackled with 20+ people similar to how wow raids are. however there is skilling elements in it that can include everyone.
Inferno was developed as end game only, it was during a time when the focus was on end game and a lot of the rest of the game was ignored. this was a detriment to osrs's future which is why they moved away from it.

[pearl patio]

Go look at active player graphs. There was a big jump when tob released, not really any change when toa released

[thick beacon]

lately they have been pretty well balanced of including both mid/endgame content throughout year

[true talon]

However inferno was developed in a way to be 1 time content, meaning you get the cape an thats it. it was peak pinnacle of unlocking a bis. but it didnt have longetivity. they made it live a little longer with a pet, slayer tasks and CA's. but outside of those you ignore that place completely.

[tiny dew]

There wouldn’t be 200k concurrent if they didnt flesh out the early and mid game to keep players playing

[pearl patio]

The idea that it’s impossible or impractical to release endgame content that doesn’t appeal to all players is wrong

[pearl patio]

No one is saying they shouldn’t also update mid and early game. I’m just saying they should make endgame endgame without some corny modifier or gimmick that lets mid levels engage with it and waters down the experience

[true talon]

Its not, but that's your opinion. as your takes are almost always bias, you start your videos with oh look another update for reddit billybobs and a master class in work from home jmod delveopment XD

Or my favorite yesterday, "gnomonkey got tier 8, so it must be easy"

[pearl patio]

don’t forget to like and subscribe

And like I said. Tob was meant for endgame only and did a better job at driving players to the game than toa on release

[thick beacon]

why do we have to assume someone is gona get stuck in midgame everyone goal should be working towards experincing that endgame content

[true talon]

tob is not that difficult, a lot of its difficult comes from what your teammates are doing more than what your doing.

[hard axle]

This is thing that I don’t understand about you. You say you want longevity, which is what I want, but you often demand stuff that makes the grind shorter and worst off.

At the same time, I’ve seen irons bitch about having to go back to Zulrah nonstop back in 2018

[pearl patio]

Tob on release was the 2nd hardest thing in the game

[true talon]

ofc it would be, it wasnt solved and looking at our current dps

[pearl patio]

Exactly. Hence my point, you can make content catered primarily towards endgame and it can still be successful and even played by lower skill levels as metas and gear evolves

[true talon]

i actually support content being longer than just the uniques for irons. its kinda shame to just leave the place and never return, esp if its fun.

[hard axle]

Aka dragon arrows

[true talon]

i did dt2 bosses to finish my 2nd sra to drop over to the main + grind some orbs. it was fun again but i had green log on all 4.... so it felt like a supply drain

[hard axle]

[true talon]

i had no reason to be there, but yea lol

[pearl patio]

All I want to see is some endgame content come into the game that doesn’t have some weird contract or orb or invo or wave gimmick. We haven’t had a piece of endgame content like that since pnm

Which was 5 years ago

[true talon]

i hate orbs and contracts, i actually dont mind the wave mechanics i feel they are often done well.

[hard axle]

I do hope they revisit DT2 before I finish all the pets there cuz it would be nice if Awakened DT2 Bosses got a similar buff to Pet, Shards, Worms Contract buff as Yama.

[true talon]

tradeable entry keys is absolute garbage

[pearl patio]

I’m fine with waves for like inferno and Colo, but to someone’s point earlier with doom it’s just annoying because you have to slog through boring early waves to do the fun fight. Which for a standalone boss doesn’t really work as well

[true talon]

yea should prob speed up the eariler waves in max gear. a lot of the delay comes from having to stop the charging attack or the extra shield phases which your waiting on grubs

[pearl patio]

Waves work really well for unlock content, because you’re building towards getting a completion to get a really good item. But for a boss that you’re continuously grinding I think the wave system just kind of detracts from the experience, especially when early waves aren’t that difficult

[shrewd fossil]

https://i.imgur.com/E7QAFiP.png so this doesnt exist then?

[true talon]

prob a bug but who knows

[shrewd fossil]

i better get refunded the 50m im about to lose

[true talon]

just use void setups

its 10k to die

[shrewd fossil]

ill try that mistakes are instadeath anyway

[true talon]

same dps as aboslute max

Sco bow, slayer staff, burnign claws

[obsidian venture]

This tbh

[true talon]

also i feel once shield is over, the grubs should just despawn. unsure why they are still out. i know they do a tiny bit of damage to the boss if you kill under him, but that is like hardly worth going out your way for.

Esp if they are melee grubs

[hasty shard]

melee grubs spawning in pairs is weird imo

[kind sail]

yeah they need to stop the double melee

if its hectic wave 7/8 you're taking damage

either by messing up, staying in work radius, or them healing the boss

[true talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJ1XqRCtiw

Looks like crystal hally to break shield or scythe has extra damage mechanic

[rustic ocean]

How long until it's patched

[true talon]

i think its intended

[kind sail]

should we be bringing scythe for the hit?

is it worth the slot?

[true talon]

https://medal.tv/games/osrs/clips/kKXowDenLLsd1LL45?invite=cr-MSxZN3QsMzcwMjIwNjM0
Looks pretty good

[kind sail]

also its definitely intended as even 1 damage splat will stop the shield

yeah imma bring it and see how it goes

[true talon]

what about d claw spec?

[kind sail]

im already bringing dwar and avernic tho

so idk

[true talon]

thats 4 hits

[kind sail]

d claw spec is meh

with b claws which should be better, i only hit around a 40 every time

[potent falcon]

Anyone else noticing their arrows being used unusually quickly? Almost as if Ava's just isn't working in Doom

[kind sail]

YES

ive noticed

im down like 1500 arrows yesterday

[true talon]

oh wait your right, ive been using d arrows and ive lost a lot lol

[kind sail]

ive lost a lot a lot

[austere mulch]

Cox wasn’t designed with the intention for 20 players to do it, it just was allowed to scale up because they didn’t want to limit participation. They didn’t even have 20 devs on the team at the time, let alone devs that could test the content

Not that it invalidates what you were saying there

[hasty shard]

you can chally or scy

[true talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1m83uua/how_to_smack_200s_on_the_doom_boss/

[hasty shard]

i would personally chally for some breathing room

brain off

[tiny dew]

Yee they get deleted on the grubs

[austere mulch]

It’s basically a zcb every time you get to use it

[rustic ocean]

I think chally is number 2 to scythe right?

[true talon]

jagex trying to siphon all my d arrows 😦 without providing a way to get more

[tiny dew]

Surelyyyy they fix it and refund right

[kind sail]

no lol

they wont refund

[rustic ocean]

Lol the fletching activity drops d arrow heads. They got you

[true talon]

lol dobutful on refund, maybe they will add some to the bosses table

because its table is ass

[true talon]

i heard that, but unsure how worth it is

[kind sail]

alright, new invent

scythe better go brazy

[true talon]

not gonna go do 10 hours of fletching activity to get 50 d arrows lol

[rustic ocean]

I got 5 d arrow heads in under 20 searches

So probably not worth it

[true talon]

ya that sounds awful

[kind sail]

i do like the tele thing when going to the boss

at 99 agility i dont need it

but ive heard low level agility people need it

[hasty shard]

you can set it where you drop down with the elevator to immediately warp to door, avoids clicking the teles

but ye sub 75 agil and you need it to get past the leap shortcut

funny

[kind sail]

yeah scythe worth it hella

wow

[hard axle]

hear me out, 99 agility to go to delve 8

[true talon]

At very least this will dps skip that cancer ass orb phase lmfao

[hasty shard]

nah keep the delve

its not as brain off as yama

[tender harness]

Jagex making a boss where scythe is incapable of not being BIS or good: still 0

[pearl patio]

Bring melee void helm

[hasty shard]

the chally switch is kinda saving early delve

[hard axle]

Actually insane how people are literally trying to do everything to not deal with orb lol

Cuz of how janky it is

[true talon]

its bad lol

[hard axle]

Lemme ask you, how many ticks after he spawns earth pillars does he slam?

[kind sail]

doesnt look like I need it much, hitting like 80s

[hard axle]

I guarantee you most don’t know

[tender harness]

but Levithian orb actually worked. this one is

[hasty shard]

i am hoping the only change is 5x5 and having the sw tile actually work

wait wasnt the sw tile an issue with levi too

[true talon]

its around 15

[hasty shard]

i swear there was an issue like that before

[hard axle]

Yeah and there was a literal min hit benefit

[pearl patio]

Yeah cause it does 26x3 guaranteed damage but the melee helm will boost scy base attack too

[hasty shard]

the rocks putting you on cooldown is annoying imo

[hard axle]

And that’s the problem. There’s no indicator

[pearl patio]

It’s 1 inv spot

[hard axle]

A dumbass like me would proc it too early

and it’s just lost

[true talon]

normally its like after 2 basics with pillars out he gonna slam next set

[hasty shard]

does it? i tested chally and didnt get an echo hit diff

[hard axle]

I should be able to hit 1 pillar in wakanda, 1 in my backyard and then walk all the way to wakanda before orb expires

Idk

[hasty shard]

ok but like if you path through the boss you get 1t meleed

[kind sail]

ill give it a shot after this run

[hasty shard]

i hate that

also it flings you out i noticed which is weird

like you can step under but after a bit you get yeeted

[true talon]

do you need piety or str pots? or does it matter you think

[hasty shard]

i wonder if theres any egg tech

[tender harness]

would unironically be funny if mocha latte cloud has some hidden benefit to speed up kills

[hasty shard]

no piety for echo

but you want max str for spec or w/e so

like do u rly wanna be scything off piety

someone needs to figure out the health pot mechanic its so inconsistent

[kind sail]

i just do piety

[hasty shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1m78i82/where_did_he_go/ this post has a clip of it but its not the topic of

if you stand where they splash u get healed rapid 8's iirc i've had it happen literally once on accident

oh fk thats what i gotta do test if its cause of shield

[hard axle]

We let Noobtype figure everything out

and then send him a chinchompa

[hasty shard]

ok it might not be the shield hit but it also only died to echo splat both times

and i cba doing setup again

lying i am assed

need to make that mf cry

ok not shield

[hard axle]

So apparently any melee damage procs it, meaning nhally might actually be useful for smacking bug

[hasty shard]

the heal or echo hits

oh shield

ehh

[lofty sinew]

remove orb

its absolute garbage

unfun

[zenith pike]

Just melee during shield charge phase, you get it if it dies

[hasty shard]

i literally just did that 3 times to test

it doesnt

[kind sail]

okay so

with scythe and void melee helm swap

i pb'd just about every wave

@pearl patio

https://tenor.com/view/nba-rondo-celtitcs-rajon-rondo-boston-celtics-gif-9190273

[pearl patio]

Ur welcome beast

[true talon]

melee without helm seemed ass lol

[kind sail]

it was okay

but was way better now

[hard axle]

I don’t mind it existing

But it needs to last longer

Much longer

[zenith pike]

Skill issue

[hard axle]

It’s like if eclipse from PM could hit you for half the special because the orb collapsed half way

Also, I would really appreciate if it could be “start point, endpoint, activate” instead of “endpoint, start point, activate”

[true talon]

wonder if like a 4 way masori for the str bonus will be worth over void

[potent falcon]

Just stall hitting the 2nd one

[kind sail]

nah

dps calc been done

e void is bettter with sco bow

[true talon]

so bring melee helm

Bing potted matter?

[kind sail]

i mean sure it does

but im not wasting a slot

[minor whale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1m8483u/bug_please_fix_this_god_forsaken_orb/

lmfao

[viscid sequoia]

hey all, so if the mage cape upgrade was scrapped, what's the best reward from the delve? is it simply the confliction gauntlets and the avernic treads?

[fossil epoch]

All 3 are very good for their respective use case.
Though i would do Boots>Gauntlets>Staff

Boots are an upgrade to 2 styles and saves you an inventory slot in places where you would bring 2 boots, or straight up buff you if you were using 2 styles but only 1 boot

gauntlets are +6 with shadow though, thats quite big
where the boots are just +3 (or +6 if you werent gonna bring eternals before) and 3 ranged str on top of that.
Staff spec still good some places, and well its a good item before shadow

[true talon]

Im stuck, cant get to my dark crab XD

[fossil epoch]

Though it seems like jagex decided that its Boots>Staff>Gauntlets looking at the wiki droprates

[true talon]

ya cloth seems to be most common, saw it at lvl 2 on WDR

[fossil epoch]

personally i want that more than the staff, +6 for shadow is big

[pearl patio]

Wand is sick for tob

[fossil epoch]

true

but shadow sick most other places

[fleet portal]

boots are probably only at floor 6+ with worse droprate then corp

[fossil epoch]

Nah you can get them floor 4 and on

[pearl patio]

Pet seems really rare right?

[fossil epoch]

the wiki picture i posted also states it(And guy in my clan got it on delve 4)

[tacit wharf]

pet is floor 6+

[fossil epoch]

its only 6+

[pearl patio]

It’s ok pet is ugly so they can make it rare

[fleet portal]

that's cool then

[viscid sequoia]

okay cool

i dont have time (or skill) to take advantage of the gold rush for the big profits lol. think i saw someone buy boots for 800m or something.

but im just happy to get something xD

[sly lichen]

have there been any confirmed loot not on levels 2/3/4 for each item? All I've seen is cloth at 2, eye at 3, treads at 4

[fossil epoch]

as in if you can get them on delve 8?

[sly lichen]

yeah have we seen a delve8 unique

[fossil epoch]

idk about wave 8, harder to find those people

But here is wave 5 boots

[viscid sequoia]

rwt pk in the pic? lmao

[fossil epoch]

huh?

[lone remnant]

1.6m rwt lol.

[fossil epoch]

This is just a picture i found in #achievements and are you saying that 1.6m is rwt? lol

[sly lichen]

ok cool cool, I couldn't find any

[lone remnant]

Also, jmods. can we hear is the arrow loss on arrows used on grubs intended? This is destroying my arrow stack and if its intended, okay, if not can it be fixed? I know this is how sol pillars worked during leagues

its 100% arrow loss this is not normally

[hasty shard]

oh yeah wtf im down 400 arrows

[fossil epoch]

Its most likely gonna get fixed, and next wednessday is big varla p3 fix day

That is indeed the risk/reward by doing content early. The drops are also worth alot more atm

[lone remnant]

well, id like to see them speak on it

im an iron still sucks

[fossil epoch]

sure

Dont believe they are at work anymore though its 5:50pm in the UK now

[true talon]

Alot has tanked which is understandable lol

its still decent money but going past 6 seems like waste of time

[fossil epoch]

for sure, thats just what happens on release though, some people are willing to pay stupid prices at first, then it needs to go down enough for regular people to want to buy them i guess

Yeh i expect that we are gonna see some adjustments wednesday for some of the issues people are having

[pearl patio]

I mean Yama prices weren’t that expensive day of

[fossil epoch]

it was also way too common day of

[wispy current]

day 2 of asking what happened to red and black treads

[true talon]

Very fun to have a hype update week, only to have to wait 1-2 weeks for the fixes to enjoy it lol. esp with weekend coming up.

[fossil epoch]

Thats just every update though, its still hype, just some mechanics are getting polished when they see how they affect the players.
And its not like stuff like worms deleting arrows is gonna affect the hype

If you cant enjoy it today, thats on you

The Yama contracts not being completable on day 1 is the type of things to ruin hype

[true talon]

doesnt really fix its jank pathing and other non sense, you also have no indication when the slams are going to happen. he also combos this with falling rocks + triple prayer flick which at 7+ is one tick and on wave 8 if you dont dps check it, you basically die as the path needs to soak 5 slams and you have 2 awakened leviathan level prayer flick orbs + movements. and unlike leviathan the orb path is not set and is subject to bull shit like rocks and acid pools.

[icy relic]

the orb should probably move with fixed speed

and with true pathing

I try to drop rocks far away from the path as I can and run into the orb's path once the slam comes out

[lone remnant]

nothing on my arrows 😦

[pearl patio]

Also nothing on mage attack delay

[fleet portal]

i place them behind the orb lol

[atomic locust]

Found a new Doom mechanic that if you kill it during the shield phase when you have to hit it with melee it will throw out blue/purple vials that heal you if you stand under them

[lone remnant]

yeah the holy water, get with the times

[atomic locust]

havent been able to find a single thing or post about it. i am the times pal

[lone remnant]

redditors are too busy with the gemstone crab

[exotic barn]

is it a bug that doom resets its hp to full after hitting you with a charge attack?

[atomic locust]

I just assumed it was a punishment for letting it charge up if that happened. My head canon was it's recharging to full power to F you up

[tiny dew]

Is it when u kill the boss? Saw it happen to gnomo mid kill in a clip

Trying to understand that mechanic

[true talon]

if the punish mechaic kills it, you will get holy water which will remove acid blood and heal you

its rng on were it lands though, so its kinda shit

[noble lark]

Guys , does delve boss drops avernic treads from 4lvl + only?

[true oriole]

The mage grub not being 1t like the melee and range is so bad. If it cant be changed, maybe just remove that grub entirely lol

[tiny dew]

I seeeee

[true talon]

yes

[tiny dew]

I think final melee hit has to be demonbane for the water to spawn

[narrow folio]

Is there some skill issue with no rocks to hide behind when he does the slam attack? Feels like its just rng and no counterplay for rocks to run out 💀

[small anvil]

lure him in the right direction so he doesn't destroy many with the charge

[narrow folio]

I see

He also destroys rocks randomly after slamming

Idk if its consistent to be able to keep some alive

[hard axle]

No, this is why I was saying the duration of the pathfidner is a brick wall with how tight the duration is, especially since people do not know when to proc the pathfinder

It’s doable, but you need to time it right or else pancaked

[narrow folio]

I noticed if I do it too early it runs out before the damage happens, and if too late, also screwed. There's no clear timing atm...

[hard axle]

It would be like if zebak roar destroyed a rock each roar and you needed to keep 3 in proximity alive

[narrow folio]

I would feel a lot better if pathfinder radius was increased by one

Stupid hard to flick that shit while pathing around boulders and staying in the radius

[hard axle]

Tass said 15 ticks, so I’ll try 3 tbows and then pop the pillars.

[narrow folio]

That part of the fight is awakened difficulty tier

Ah ok I'll try

[true talon]

This might not be correct, i based it on 2 attacks from the boss, but i didnt check if hes 5 tick attack or what lol

it dont seem like a lot of time though

[random summit]

It's a bit sad to see jank like krystillia's increased key droprate working outside of the wilderness being removed.

Understandable and probably the right call, but a bit sad to see

[tender harness]

are you trusting an iron that cant do fletching mini game for d arrows to know how to count?

[royal sand]

Can someone please help me. I need someone to help me do Sara boss. need to unlock nex please.

[fair comet]

Try making a post in #1019986930517151794 - someone will probably help you out :)

[neat mango]

is anyone else confused why they can't left click fletch logs when the fletching knife is equipped

[tacit wharf]

no because u cant

[hard axle]

[lone remnant]

Nah I got it with macas and scythe

[autumn pasture]

Has anyone had an issue since the new update where the game feels like its a tic too slow?

[kind surge]

it's just a ton of people playing rn

both from new major update and from the surge of players from wow

jagex had to add 10 more worlds to alleviate it a little

[hasty shard]

anti veng cheese id think but like
y tho

[pastel skiff]

can confirm, just got cloth at floor 2

[autumn pasture]

Okay thank you

[rough acorn]

What’s the theme playing on the main menu after the update? I can’t figure it out

[frail bough]

It's very similar to "Truth" but im not sure if thats it

[tender harness]

has anyone played with ayak? how is it

[slow nacelle]

We need gemstone crab pet

[chrome lantern]

I screwed around with it at PNM totems and speccing corp down for shadow

It’s not really useful to me afaik having a shadow rn personally at least

But it does good dps if no shadow for sure

[kind surge]

oh how are they at totems?

do you think farming pnm with eye is bearable or still a shadow angle

[chrome lantern]

On paper, without owning a heart and using 2 pieces of virtus and 1 anc (no avernic treads yet either but yes eternals), it’s about the same dps as shadow on totems with forgotten brew

It has less range but less overkill and faster projectile is good

And you get punished less for bringing fewer switches

Overall good, maybe if sweating you bring both for attack range purposes

[kind surge]

I'm glad it's actually doing its job as a shadow stepping-stone

[chrome lantern]

I do have elid f though so maybe not the most typical setup

[hard axle]

it's a superior sang more than a stepping stone since nothing really can match the accuracy

[tender harness]

curious how it plays on like whisperer

vs shadow

[hard axle]

probably still weaker

trident is ass on wisp

[tender harness]

spec also being doodoo doesnt help

[hard axle]

spec should be 100% acc if it's capped at 0 bonus defense

[chrome lantern]

I did 438 whisperer with a toxic trident, it was fun

[tender harness]

havent gone back to whisp since quest fucking hated that boss with trident

[kind surge]

not bad, shadow is kinda insane with the scaling anyways

[tender harness]

until the shadow nerfs come in

[hard axle]

They'd sooner rather just cap out shadow outside than nerf it ngl

and then powercreep tbow proportionately

[tender harness]

theres shadow changes coming I thought just TBD on them

[chrome lantern]

I mean

Eventually there are

The only commitment Jagex made was before they made more mage upgrades

[tender harness]

so what are ayaks uses for people who dont have shadow anyways

3t spec is mediocre. its a decent PNM weapon?

[chrome lantern]

Anything you’re maging single target tbh

It’s strictly better than trident and sang

ToB nylos a huge case

[tender harness]

anything to make nylos better is

[chrome lantern]

Team CoX another huge case

Not sure if there’s a lossless mage run with it for solos based on its limited range

Would also be interested to see how it fares at p2 warden compared to tridents/shadow considering the weird damage calculations there

[tender harness]

I do like how "actively traded price" of avernics on the GE is listed at 107m

when theyre like actively going for 700m? IIRC

[chrome lantern]

idk how RL prices work but best is always to look at the real price graphs

In-game price is initially set by Jagex and can only change a certain amount per time period

Which is the default price the GE uses

[tender harness]

yeah theyre like ~730m atm based on GE tracker

wonder if they hold arond 700? or come down further

[hard axle]

300m tops

only time I can see something that high is if it's outrageously expensive and/or really good, which is typically reserved for weapons

[hasty shard]

sold for 726m so

[hard axle]

from what I can see, they're not outrageously rare

it's just the base loot is doggy + day 2

missed opportunity with Dom pet (not my idea) - Let em transform into the car

[true talon]

dont get this, shadow is not even good.

shadow maxs a 63 its weakest of all megas and requires the most gear investment

its only strong inside of TOA which no1 seems to like

[tender harness]

shadows scaling is a problem though.

but that also gets into how magic in general works disregarding the whack ass scaling

[hard axle]

You know why it's good, so why be disingenuous by leaving out 80% of the weapon?

Accuracy bitch. It's literal accuracy god.

It's like how Voidwaker spec is less max hit than claws but gauranteed accuracy is why its goated.

[dire mango]

And claiming a much lower max hit for no reason

[tender harness]

imagine giving claws guaranteed accuracy

[hard axle]

I don't mind if you disagree with it being strong or not, nerfed or buffed, but being disingenuous about pros/cons is stupid as fuck.

[true talon]

sorry its max is 66 in max, i can only hit 63 with my virtus 😦

[hard axle]

Literally beats out tbow at CoX at Vespula portal by 50% even with 350 magic scaling.

[dire mango]

70 (with new items)

[hard axle]

It's good where it's good

and nukes all other magic options short of 70-100% elemental weakness if u want magic to not be good

[tender harness]

200% weakness when?

[true talon]

new gloves gave it 4 max hits? damn must of been really close to thresholds

new gloves/boots*

[hard axle]

dummy

[ashen flame]

4 max hits with?

the shadonkadonk?

[true talon]

out here watching gnomonkey farm up to deleve 15 and still not seen a drop in 2 full days of sending l0l

[ashen flame]

[hard axle]

Wouldn't be surprised if 8+ was bugged

[true talon]

Im comfy up to around wave 7 now, but the orb mechanic is fucking trash

its like awakened leviathan if you had to cast shadow barrge at 2 points an follow the orb lol

[tender harness]

what do you mean its fine. just be in the orb and still get hit

[minor whale]

Didn't they hot fix the orb

[vital depot]

sound id 10374 plays 1 tick before you need to break the rock to spawn the orb

[hasty shard]

ok but 99% of people leave out this factor tbf

the fact that the accuracy doesnt have a cap is :3c

[tender harness]

okay but ym. I mean yama

[hasty shard]

i got boots drop and you didnt

[tender harness]

I will kill you. in ToB

[hasty shard]

real

i should spend all this gp boosting marks of grace

[tender harness]

spend it corp pet boosting instead

then accidently get banned

[hasty shard]

tempting

its also tempting to buy 99s

cba

i also need to do woke levi

[normal tiger]

they did hotfix the orb but i still got hit while white but that might've been an edge case

[true talon]

Am i dumb or did this racecar just shoot me for 99 as it flew by?

[hard axle]

99% of people are dumbge then

it's like saying scythe has highest max hit and then leaves out it has the worst accuracy and the highest max hit is a 1/13k chance in practice

[icy relic]

Lore accurate Castorice enjoyer

Scythe getting the Avengers treatment to bring it into the meta

[true talon]

yea but that statement is true and scythe has the highest max hit an overall dps over every other melee wep, because it gives you 3 accuracy rolls

[viscid sequoia]

is anyone elses character running towards mocha without even clicking?

[rare grotto]

i know the reason

(ragebait)

[ember token]

[[auto retaliate]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Auto_Retaliate

[viscid sequoia]

nope not that

[dire mango]

Expertly skirting the line between believable mistakes and bannable ragebait 🙂. A master at work.

[winged mantle]

Could be where you swap weapons too quick and click the boss in the same tic - makes you run at the boss

[viscid sequoia]

thats kinda what it feels like, ill have to pay attention to that

[winged mantle]

Notorious in cg

Record what happens and you'll find out

[earnest marsh]

Why do you think happens when bonds fall down hard?

Alot of bots got banned?

It should kinda go up in price when summer starts?

[true talon]

Nah i just went off my max, forgetting that ancestral gives you 3 maxes lol

[chrome lantern]

Pretty sure it charges up the 1hit ball if you're not attacking it during that phase

[rare grotto]

my gear is bandos fighter torso and dragon boots

therefore scy max is only 44 lol

can we buff it plz

[proud forge]

think i just had a glitch in the delve fight. I was on wave 5 and had 2 racecar phases, but during the 2nd one, shortly after the first dash, the yellow grub appeared and i went to dodge, but i was attacked by mokha with the large beam attack it does when charging up during shield phases

[hasty shard]

racecar is always charging up like shield phase

u gotta tag it every so often, or just dps

also tangent idk why everyones calling it a yellow grub its mokh's eye lol

[minor whale]

It looks like a grub popping out of a hole

[hard axle]

That’s not how it works. Rolling individual splats lets you trend towards the average, not the max; it’s not the same as rerolling and taking the best scenario.

It’s why no one has a recording of hitting a 50/50 or 51/51 with dds, as that’s a 1/2500 IF both pass accuracy checks.

[hasty shard]

toa runs:

[shadow wave]

Framed has a video of him doing a 50/50

I think

[hard axle]

It’s like how claws are turbo accurate because they take the best out of multiple rolls.

[hard axle]

Does he?

[hasty shard]

i swear to god bclaws consistently max

[shadow wave]

Pretty sure after Rancor released and it became possible yeah

[hasty shard]

i hit the 31-31 so often

[hard axle]

Yeah they’re just 3 rolls instead of 4, no?

So the chance to hit max isn’t awful

[shadow wave]

Nah, it was torvesta, and he was hitting like 47/45 but not an actual 50/50

My bad

[hard axle]

Someone has a bounty for a 50/50 clip btw

Like 50m gp?

[lone remnant]

can you guys take it to dms so they see my message about my arrows disappearing at doom of makuhdfshgja instead of your stellar conversation

[hasty shard]

why are they betting on a 1/2 chance :3c

[hard axle]

Yes yes

Can we talk about how barrage basically bugs confliction gauntlet

[lone remnant]

yeah sure

[hasty shard]

i found two bugs with the release im very proud

[hard axle]

If you hit 2 targets, and the first roll misses

The second roll on second target eats up the 2x accuracy

Even though it’s on the same barrage

[hasty shard]

dom showing up in menagerie for 0 reason + a parrot t posing in kastori

[hasty shard]

bad angle but its just not moving lmao

https://tenor.com/view/blind-kid-parakeet-dumb-and-gif-9668598

[cloud iron]

Please give us avernic tread recolors

they look awful lmao

[true talon]

This freaking orb mechanic man. can they atleast disable the boss from attacking you while doing it. like how are you gonna set it up get safe while flicking an then in the safe zone have falling rocks push you out lol.

everyone is dps skipping it, but those without the dps or bad runs its just insanely stupid

[cloud iron]

agree

[true talon]

if you dont kill the boss during race car + the few hits after the earth spawns its gg

[cloud iron]

But yeah though avernic treads desperately need some color options holy they look terrible

[true talon]

woulda rather have the earth create safe spots to stand

like the zebak jugs

[chrome lantern]

I honestly don't think the orb is that bad

[true talon]

over that dumb ass orb that dont path correctly

[chrome lantern]

Definitely takes getting used to

[true talon]

which moves at run speed randomly

an walk speed other times

[tacit wharf]

think u need to watch a guide tassili

[chrome lantern]

I haven't encountered it moving at run speed yet but I haven't done wave 8 yet

[true talon]

every guide has them dps skipping it atleast on 8+

[tacit wharf]

maybe youve reached yr gear ceiling

[true talon]

I have absolute max lol

besides treads

ofc gnomonkeys max was 86 and mine is 81, so seems the d arrow gap has gotten further now

[hard axle]

im waiting for a week for people to solve it

before I make judgment call

[true talon]

and i cant use d arrows, because the boss is buged and when you hit grubs it deletes your arrows XD

[tender harness]

Someone isnt fletchmaxing

[round lintel]

Nah the orb is bad sometimes it gets destroyed midway path on 4+ level

Since the acid is random sometimes there is no path with the acid on 5+

People are brute forcing it with pnecks. Im doing it on my iron and I guess I gotta go craft pnecks now if I wanna go deeper

And its true sometimes it goes really fast from a place to another and sometimes walk speed, really random

Now im doing it pretty much 2 tick before he slams the floor

[true talon]

ya im just eating though it or dps skipping it

[tacit wharf]

sounds like you need to manage your poisons better

[true talon]

you cant control the poison lol

it goes where it wants to go

even the poison clean up is random were the holy water splashes

[hasty shard]

and the water seems random too

tbh considering its literally just holy water has anyone even brought it in lol

[round lintel]

Ima cast bloom xD

Nah never carried holy water

Even if you could I dont think itll splash more than a tile

[hasty shard]

mb flicking it at grubs makes them explode water

[round lintel]

Maybe, sounds like tech but is holy water even tradeable?

Cuz if not I dont think they made a mechanic where you have to ironman it

Boulders really dont do anything rather than just be an obstacle for you until lvl 7 I think

[true talon]

Appearntly even jagex forgot its demonbane an it dont do anything

[tranquil fern]

What is the best way to ask if the mods have any plans of fixing the delve boss’ hitbox?

[round lintel]

I dont really know

The only person I know sometimes like 1/1k replies here is mod blossom

So is heavily RNG here too

[true talon]

I hear nox is active in pvm streamers chat to gather feedback

and the orb mechanic is one of the most hated things ever created

Also they are fixing the mage 1 tick problem

[round lintel]

I dont hate it I just wish itll give you a standard path without you having to set it up just like Levi

Is up to your boulders if you get out of the way

Thats something you can control

What I do hate is how often he does the charging melee attack

[true talon]

This is good now, you can punish the boss with multi hit weps

scythe can hit him for an extra 75 damage

[round lintel]

Ayy i didnt know this, where was it posted? Time to bring my maracas

[kind sail]

i like boss

boss good

[true talon]

boss is indeed good, loot is trash but boss good

so even when i die on wave 6 idc as the loot is piss lol

oh no my 500 earth runes!

there isnt much incentive to claim an leave, so they left out the risk vs reward element

its more of risk shit untill you see a unique then claim

[round lintel]

Loot could be better at 3 or 4+

Nothing fancy

but that pays for deaths at least

[icy relic]

I don't think anything pre 6 should give any meaningful loot

You already get your spoon chance

[round lintel]

but 9 onyx bolts

[true talon]

Throw some d arrows on there literally anything.

esp if they gonna have grubs delete arrows

[icy relic]

They should fix the grubs

And give orb true pathing

[true talon]

and if the boss is a dps check as it currently is

you need all the damage you can

[molten basalt]

The boss needs some attention, but I'm interested in the passive tears method
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1397680589108154378

[round lintel]

Yeah I have to use amethyst cuz my quiver is eating arrows like if i had infinite

[icy relic]

There are still a number of bugs

Just died last run because all the rocks were clustered in a corner so I could only guard 2 slams

[kind surge]

hybrid boots ruining switchscape, jagex resorted to ammo swapping just for grubs

[icy relic]

Also rocks aren't blocking behind them reliably

Boss mechanics are hard enough, just badly needs consistency

[molten basalt]

That could be because the raytracing fidelity. Muspah does this well, you never have "ehh" moments at his slam

[true talon]

ya if you run across the room to get to safe rocks, the boss will shoot you for a 99 across the room i found out twice now XD

[icy relic]

Yup died to that

[round lintel]

I am honestly not asking to make the boss easier cuz im dogwater at the game but the few things im dying to are the ones most are complaining

[icy relic]

Bosses have to be farmable

Consistent, predictable behavior you can practice is needed for that

[true talon]

I think the grubs shouldnt have a melee version either

they drag you though poison

[molten basalt]

The orb is 100% the least favorite mechanic. The autocast bug rears is ugly head once again

[true talon]

and you often just ignore them

[icy relic]

Have to either kill them in the back of the room or prayge for forgiving poison spawns

[molten basalt]

Can safely ignore them anyway, yeah

[icy relic]

Or ignore

[round lintel]

you cant ignore them all after lvl 5+

they hit 10+

upon reaching doom

[true talon]

[molten basalt]

Yes, but one or two per wave won't kill you

[round lintel]

until you get like 10 sets of melee

xd

[icy relic]

Shockwave or prayer?

[true talon]

we dont know

he prayed correctly, i was watching

looks like shockwave

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4GQwbS3qHsA?feature=share
Lmfao not relevent but still good

[round lintel]

LOOL

[small anvil]

Better bring hally

[true talon]

true you could spend the entire wave 1 setting this up, cant rember if the rocks stay between, but if they did you wouldnt need to bother with grubs the rest of the way till wave 6 lol

I think the rocks move

i mean get removed per phasing

[molten basalt]

You ever find it strange that the acid persists per floor?

Like, it makes sense in colosseum between waves, but you're physically in a different location

Unless the acid somehow eats through each floor in succession

[true talon]

it goes away on wave 6 atleast

basically resets

[molten basalt]

Yeah, but that's technically where the map actually changes, instead of being a copy of floors 1-5

[narrow folio]

Isn't trapping bad since you want them to take down the shields faster?

Or the benefits outweigh that?

Guess you could just afk the shield

[violet sigil]

they aoe explode

so it will hit no matter what

[round lintel]

it only works on lvl 1 and 2 anyways

[chrome lantern]

It’s not clear via reading but I think it’s a safe assumption they mostly
mean the mask

[brazen cobalt]

how do you use the fletching knife if you have it equipped?

like for bows

[chrome lantern]

You unequip it

Oh weird