Our main focus was to stop the issue from happening - and we'll have conversation in the morning around what's happened, any further steps, etc
#game-update
delicate glen
blissful owl
Been at bandos on and off for 6 months
small anvil
But I guess maybe they just decided it's an acceptable level of damage
blissful owl
What can I do sarnie
timid goblet
I was able to dupe an egg just to test it out I hope I don't get banned
limber egret
What F2P content is coming with the expansion drop this week ?
abstract agate
Please don’t rollback i got items earlier rare items and im just fine
chilly meteor
Hopefully the situation is salvageable come morning.
abstract agate
🙂
blissful owl
I posted all my photos to jagex page
delicate glen
What can I do sarnie
I can't say anything atm homie - I'm sorry
brazen violet
Guys go get people from ff14 to play osrs, if we hit 300k players stuff gonna break again
glass gazelle
that sucks... wanna borrow mine? 18kc tassets that may be rolled back
chilly meteor
Sarnie’s patience is otherwordly
blissful owl
I just can't believe this. All the time put into this and I finally got this. Now its just gone???
hallow basin
I just can't believe this. All the time put into this and I finally got this. No...
brother is just tassets
cosmic sapphire
You know youre in the right place when a jmod says homie
abstract agate
Bro it’s tassets lmao
blissful owl
So what might be nothing to you. But I been here 6 months
brazen violet
It’s a computer game, shit happens
ember token
yeah but imagine if he lost something good
abstract agate
But he didn’t .
true talon
What can I do sarnie
go kill more bandos or go to relvent content like perilous moons/yama
abstract agate
Nah I’d be upset lol
past plover
F in the chat for maddens tassets
ember token
you couldve gotten the bandos pet and lost it
chilly meteor
F
violet delta
Still able to produce dupes post patch - release DMM dates and il release how to do it.
abstract agate
F
ember token
imagine how much worse it would feel if you got the pet but lost it to a rollback
brazen violet
Make a 1def pure, you won’t need tassets
chilly meteor
Madden youll get your day in the sun soon brother i promise
abstract agate
Are you iron?
blissful owl
Its good tyeso me.
hallow basin
So what might be nothing to you. But I been here 6 months
my man have you just been afking? how have you been at bandos for 6 months. I get it if you dont have much time to play but 6 months is way too extreme
dawn jackal
is it better to have had tassets and lost them or to never have had the tassets at all
blissful owl
I afk and do bandos when I get some time
small anvil
Not everyone plays the same amount you do
glass gazelle
just think, you'll be one of the few ironmen to know what its like to get two tasset logs
abstract agate
Are you an Ironman though
blissful owl
No
small anvil
Yes iron Madden is iron lol
abstract agate
Wow
glass gazelle
exactly, you'll know what its like to get it twice
blissful owl
My c log is back to before I got them
glass gazelle
how many others can say they got the clog twice
true talon
My c log is back to before I got them
yes, becuase it rolled you back to a saved state before you got them
little rover
imagine how good itll feel to get them again
abstract agate
That sucks dude . Maybe they can help you out. Message them on twitter?
past plover
you could get them on the next kill
hardy iris
get blood moon, and write it off as a loss, ggs
meager flame
So what happened while I wasn't on
abstract agate
They should square you away I wouldn’t worry too much
glass gazelle
you could get them on the next kill
and then they decide to rollback tomorrow morning 
meager flame
Ah sounds like poor decisions
chilly meteor
To be fair, rollbacks are genuine last resorts.
past plover
come fly at yamalama
hardy iris
^
abstract agate
A rollback for tassets would be insane
meager flame
Yeah theyre exactly for what he just described though
small anvil
To be fair, rollbacks are genuine last resorts.
Rollbacks are do now or never
And deciding not to now means the consequences of doing it later is worse and worse
dawn jackal
unsure if you can still dupe or not but if whatever fix they deployed stopped duping i'm sure they'd prefer to just manually approach the ~500 people duping consequential items than rollback the servers 10+ hourrs
chilly meteor
Rollbacks are do now or never
After assessing the damage, yes
chilly meteor
unsure if you can still dupe or not but if whatever fix they deployed stopped du...
This
small anvil
Waiting to assess DMG makes the amount rolled back harder lol
lethal plinth
yeah.. I'd take that "No rollbacks are planned." with a pinch of salt.. once they assess the damages in the morning that could change
glass gazelle
After assessing the damage, yes
which will be 8-10 hours from now and would mean rolling 200k people back 12 hours
small anvil
Depends how much doubling people were able to do
meager flame
No they cant roll back a whole day that's stupid what you do
blissful owl
I can't play mo more tonight I am sick this is crazy.
dawn jackal
its not as if 20,000 ppl were duping t bows
blissful owl
Hope no one else has to go through this
small anvil
Usually you take servers offline while assessing DMG
Them not doing it is just...
Welp
dawn jackal
taking the servers offline when you hit 200,000 player milestone seems foolish if you can do anything to avoid it
abstract agate
How many people here did this happen to?
dawn jackal
or just ever really
small anvil
Yeah they're just hoping the damage wasn't too bad basically
blissful owl
Happened to me.
minor whale
And knew about the bug and how to do it
chilly meteor
which will be 8-10 hours from now and would mean rolling 200k people back 12 hou...
I would assume the MODS who have access to the information, made the decision to hold off as to prevent any more loss of progress of items
wild pawn
Happened to me.
we know
meager flame
So thousands of players
little rover
Personally I think we should roll back the servers to 0600 UTC on july 18th which has nothing to do with my hardcore ironman dying
strong stag
anyone have tassets to sell
little rover
this was obviously an issue since that exact time
meager flame
Most worlds run around 1k lately
violet delta
Happened to me.
Honestly deserved
hallow basin
anyone have tassets to sell
i got some spare on my iron
last onyx
Most worlds run around 1k lately
how many of them are bots? 🤣
gleaming horizon
anyone have tassets to sell
Weirdest thing- found a pair on ground in bandos room at 5:41pm
You want?
abstract agate
Happened to me.
Gf Beast.
chilly meteor
Yall are some bullies
meager flame
Nah but really player save data huh
past plover
seeya in another 6 months lad
meager flame
I wonder what kind of tech debt theyre in with that system
wild pawn
You should be good now beast, check again
abstract agate
@blissful owl
small anvil
...
The guy suffered enough
Stop being jerks to him just cuz he's upset over losing something
meager flame
Tbf id be mad too
abstract agate
same but at least the mods will see us talking about it so much and go help him out
small anvil
They won't
tacit wharf
Stop being jerks to him just cuz he's upset over losing something
said he was leaving like 6 times already
wild pawn
Aye man gotta find some light in a shitty situation, feel for the dude, but at the end of the day it's a game and should keep things in perspective
meager flame
Imagine doing anything for any length of time and jagex servers being ass so you effectively wasted your time
small anvil
And people ping him to come back
little rover
bro its runescape we're wasting our time regardless 
tacit wharf
like UIMs?
small anvil
Like some of the ding dongs in #old-school
dawn jackal
definitely an unfortunate situation for the individual. Gotta have a good attitude about these things that are totally outta your control though
true talon
if you quit over a tassets roll back, then you wouldnt survived anyways
empty quartz
They ban ppl for this on the discord lol
abstract agate
I don’t think he was too upset about it. He seemed alright . He knows good ol jagex will take care of him
quartz anchor
They have a system that detects a loss of items outside of normal parameters. All the nerds freaking out over lost items will see them back in due time
meager flame
Idk probably should roast jagex not be happy to have you guys fucking me over vibes
minor whale
They have a system that detects a loss of items outside of normal parameters. Al...
Their policy on rolled back items is "sorry but no"
chilly meteor
Those are the same vibes yall were putting out just a moment ago
minor whale
Cases where it's like the gim storage bug yeah they'll return
But for personal rollbacks unfortunately they typically don't return anything
meager flame
Too bad he's not a streamer
celest sail
This is so freaking wrong dewd
quartz anchor
Their policy on rolled back items is "sorry but no"
That's just moronic. They have given items back from issues like this numerous times since they developed the system. Most recently a bug making UIM death piles respawn and they gave all them their stuff back about 6 months ago. You're just ignorant
strong stag
im sick to my stomach
small anvil
Uim is special case
quartz anchor
No
small anvil
Cuz they're a tiny pop
nocturne solstice
@wild pawn Do not post misinformation thanks 
small anvil
And it's the entire account
strong stag
LOL
celest sail
Fml @blissful owl I hope jagex does the right thing
chilly meteor
Tagged the wrong guy nvm LOL
quartz anchor
What about GIm storage items they refund for issues they get
So they give back all items except when it's convenient for you to Doomsday?
strong stag
posting official osrs tweet misinformation 
small anvil
Look at the date
strong stag
wtf i got trolled!!!!
cloud rain
lol
celest sail
Can someone help me?
quartz anchor
No
celest sail
Is it possible for someone to lift a finger
quartz anchor
I'll give you a toe
chilly meteor
Just go kill the yama bro
brave terrace
is it safe to log out? im about to get nerd logged at wintertodt 3:
ember token
stay logged in at all costs
wild pawn
True @celest sail you should just kill yama for claws
strong stag
imagine getting horn so ur claws never hit 0 omg.....i just got chills
ember token
logging out is xp loss
celest sail
I wasn’t even killing Yama. Where did that come from?
abstract agate
I logged out and im fine. World 448 is safe
celest sail
I was doing challenge mode chambers of xeric
quartz anchor
Should've been Yama.
chilly meteor
I wasn’t even killing Yama. Where did that come from?
Thats my bad. I was making a joke from something earlier
quartz anchor
Didn't you know CMS are bugged rn
ember geyser
I was going for fire cape when I was this 😂 thank God
tacit wharf
better now than wed
quartz anchor
Damnit Jagex, my e-girl goth mommy said yes to a date then we got rolled back and, now I don't have a date
celest sail
At least it wasn’t bandos. I would hate to lose tassets
ember token
i cant wait to spend hours trying to get into the game on wednesday
minor whale
That's just moronic. They have given items back from issues like this numerous t...
I'm sorry but that's just how it is. Their policy for specifically rolled-back items is outside of other bugs. GIM storage, UIM death pile deletion etc all were separate bugs that they were able to recover. They've basically never done specifically rollback returns. If you have evidence otherwise I'd love to see it
quartz anchor
Bro can you imagine a perfect update for varla 3. Gnomonkey doesn't release a manifesto about his bad the delve boss is. Peak player counts, no Ditter shitter in BMM, then rollbacks out the ass cuz too many players
meager flame
Yeah except we all know what's likely to happen
obsidian whale
What have I missed?
meager flame
The rest of the varlamore updates showed us
ember geyser
What have I missed?
Chaos
meager flame
I hope it doesn't of course but it'll drop and rates won't be real because theyre too scared it won't be perfect
quartz anchor
I'm sorry but that's just how it is. Their policy for specifically rolled-back i...
Literally every time their server deletes an item that is outside of parameters it's tracked in their system, and put into a queue they manually review and give back for issues on their server end. This isn't a "bug" this is server malfunction. This isn't a bug the player ran into. This is actually the server deleting / failing to save.
meager flame
And we will get 7 updates in a row buffing stuff
minor whale
About a month ago, w478 had a rollback. They didn't return any items.
You can disagree with their policy but it is what it is.
glass gazelle
can we get an update that allows ironman to trade up to 10k at a time? I cant buy a gf at ge
minor whale
Even JMods on those posts about rollbacks typically say they don't return the items.
feral sinew
That doesn’t narrow it down
Server load issues causing player save state issues.
ember geyser
That doesn’t narrow it down
Dupes, ironman drops not getting saved. Getting tasseys and hoping worlds and they disappear. Same with fire capes
meager flame
Im ngl though
ember geyser
Wow players come over and ruin our game
minor whale
Here's one from 9 months ago - no items returned to anyone.
merry ore
How does a micro-rollback cause dupes?
meager flame
I think its good that they have so many players its causing issues but
Why do they offer more player capacity than they can handle
meager flame
Youd think they would at least know they can handle every world hitting 2k
floral coral
How does a micro-rollback cause dupes?
you trade your tbow to your friend/2nd acc, you get yourself rolled back, now you both have tbow
hard axle
meager flame
Otherwise they need to lower the world caps
idle rapids
some dupes are def happening
hard axle
Otherwise they need to lower the world caps
please
abstract agate
Rekt ^
merry ore
my ironman brain forgot trading even exists lol
hard axle
keep w330 at 2k or 3k, but average worlds suck 1k+
minor whale
They simply don't do rollback returns
You can call me "ignorant" but you still won't be correct that they'll return the items.
There's been many many times a world has crashed and rolled back, and they don't return the items.
OSRScorders are on one today lmao
chilly meteor
Items returned = issue wasnt widespread enough to require hundreds of hours of manual labor
hard axle
they've said numerous times that they don't do item returns, but have done it despite that on small scale basis
minor whale
Yeah they'll do it for very specific bugs
hard axle
just need to be a popular streamer
minor whale
Or things Jagex did a an accident on
feral sinew
Youd think they would at least know they can handle every world hitting 2k
having a maximum capacity of 2k on every world does not equate to the infrastructue being able to support such a number.
quartz anchor
I'm sure large server wide issues they will take care of. As said in the link. They have a system that tracks these lost items.
minor whale
Have you been around much because this has been a thing before and they don't do it
Worlds have gone down in the past few months with the same rollback of a few minutes
And they didn't return anything
hard axle
Pyroseph claims they will not
they do, BUT it's often do not
quartz anchor
but since they have upgraded their system and have been doing it recently. They most likely will
small anvil
Uims is the only case I've heard of honestly
meager flame
Yeah you have to get lucky or be popular
quartz anchor
they do, BUT it's often do not
Correct. This is not an often occurrence. This is a very rare mishap of the server deleting items.
meager flame
Tbh I really hate how im not even kidding about the popular thing
hard axle
Tbh I really hate how im not even kidding about the popular thing
nope, exists in all shapes and forms and realities
quartz anchor
Uims is the only case I've heard of honestly
Gim storage gets refunded and UIMS. Mains don't often lose items because this kind of stuff doesn't happen. Cuz they're not juggling gear or putting stuff in group storage. Most lost items are due to a main fucking up something
feral sinew
Tbh I really hate how im not even kidding about the popular thing
thats not limited to Jagex though. With everything, action only gets taken when the voice is large enough.
either individually or collectively
small anvil
Jagex just says it's too much work and doesn't do it
quartz anchor
Most games aren't a 20 year old point and click Spaghetti java code
meager flame
But they've got the bad combination of not doing much and doing backflips if you have 2k viewers
tacit wharf
Gim storage gets refunded and UIMS. Mains don't often lose items because this ki...
im guess with GIM storage is that they get saved and "screenshot" more frequently than a normal players storage does, hence why its typically easier for them to restore said items
small anvil
Also they will be more likely to refund an item that already exists than a drop lost to roll back
feral sinew
im guess with GIM storage is that they get saved and "screenshot" more frequentl...
Presumably GIM storage is "screenshotted" every time someone makes and change and saves it, whereas player progress is saved on logout.
small anvil
Cuz there's proof it existed in their system
tacit wharf
^
quartz anchor
im guess with GIM storage is that they get saved and "screenshot" more frequentl...
Nah, when they developed the system to detect GIM storage deleted items. It tracks all items deleted outside of normal parameters. (Despawning, double death, trade, pk death, etc.) When an item is deleted that doesn't meet that criteria it's flagged. For all accountz
tacit wharf
mmhhmm
small anvil
That system would not catch dupes
quartz anchor
They talked about it extensively during the Winter summit last year
dusty crag
so what happened
quartz anchor
That system would not catch dupes
good thing there's more than 1 system
ember token
so what happened
freaky mode activated
meager flame
Too many players save state broke on some worlds items deleted or duped
humble heath
I imagine Jagex saying no roll backs cos they can identify the bug abusers, 100% perm ban them
minor whale
Worlds have crashed and had short rollbacks since winter summit
They didn't return those items then either
It's a very small list of bugs they return items for
quartz anchor
A 15 minute rollback isn't as destructive as items being deleted for numerous people over a 12 hour period
feral sinew
why a 12 hour period though?
abstract agate
Did this happen this morning or afternoon
quartz anchor
Not to mention a timer was put up warning players game worlds were being taken down
ember token
when?
quartz anchor
why a 12 hour period though?
Iirc they don't have save states being taken every hour of every day. They save the game world once or twice a day. So a rollback would affect people for longer than the bug was.
glass gazelle
also dont forget jagex are UK based, its currently 1am so their 'investigate in the morning' is likely to start about 7 hours from now
cloud rain
nice item duplication
ember geyser
Is it safe to go back to my fire cape attempt? Any recent reports of items disappearing?
small anvil
Should be ok now
amber mortar
slender trellis
Is it safe to play now? I just got rolled back 45 minutes.
celest flume
Is it safe to play now? I just got rolled back 45 minutes.
Say wallah rn
chrome lantern
tf does wallah even mean
nocturne solstice
Its like saying "for real"
red sparrow
No cap. Sounds like it's the time to spam buy and apply bonds to have the save state rolled back
tacit wharf
No cap. Sounds like it's the time to spam buy and apply bonds to have the save s...
that sounds like bug abuse
red sparrow
It is. I shoulda put some sort of sarcasm footer on it
chrome lantern
My first thought was "I wonder if I could use my GIM to dupe items" and my second thought was "No wait that's against the rules and would ruin the game"
red sparrow
I just wanna grind slayer but I don't want a rollback
solar gale
Its like saying "for real"
idk what the context is but lm now legally required to respond to this with for real
pine juniper
can demonics PLEASE swap attacks less often
meager flame
I mean the fact that they didn't turn servers off like immediately is
Something
Idk if they maybe didn't scope out what was going on fully or what but someone likely isn't going to be happy manually adjusting everything later
like we have footage of it happening to people there's no way that people didn't even accidentally just dupe tons of shit and that tons of other people lost important items
maybe we just got super lucky that someone happened to record it but i imagine it happened a lot
tender harness
tbow bush my beloved
earnest marsh
sadlife, probly aint going to be a bowfa skip
well no chance it will be a bowfa skip
meager flame
im ngl if you're an iron
there is one single bowfa skip and that is somehow getting carried to the luckiest tbow of your life
if that doesn't happen everything else people say is bs lol
small anvil
Don't people atlatl to skip bowfa
meager flame
yeah but thats just self trolling
lmao like
you're only hurting yourself trying to do that
small anvil
You can go like barrows, moons, synapse, yama right?
meager flame
yeah that should be fine you're not using a bowfa for any of that content
small anvil
Yeah it's the alternative method
meager flame
it comes back around though when you're standing in toa or cox or sara or muspah or zulrah or you know what i mean
small anvil
You can also rush toa and just spoon a shadow and fang lol
Nhally chally zulrah is an option too
meager flame
you also lose all of the really nice loot from doing cg in the first place
its not impossible to not do it
small anvil
Yeah, it's still a viable path for sure
meager flame
its just not smart to skip it
small anvil
No longer trolling to not do
meager flame
im ngl i think its still trolling not to do it
small anvil
Ya I'm not like super up to date on iron metas
meager flame
its just because no matter how you want to look at it it comes down to you using the atlatl somewhere where you're like
on a huge gnomonkey cope train pretending its not terrible compared to bowfa
earnest marsh
if that doesn't happen everything else people say is bs lol
even tbow is pretty shit midgame
and cg gives tons of rune arrows
majority in early game
meager flame
yeah but the tbow thing is at least able to step in and actually like
go hard in the places where bowfa really is just way better than the other stuff
so if you got a tbow you realistically can skip and not hurt yourself in the long run
earnest marsh
yee thats true
small anvil
I just remember hearing the demon route is quite solid
earnest marsh
I just remember hearing the demon route is quite solid
still shit to do td with what
rune crossbow?
off upkeep
meager flame
the demon stuff is good until you finish yama
small anvil
Hunter crossbow
earnest marsh
upkeep is crazy
meager flame
and then you remember you gotta actually still do your raids and everything else you'd been trying to ignore
small anvil
And make scobow first synapse
earnest marsh
and then? your going to grind bowfa after yama?
small anvil
Do moonlight antelope is easy
earnest marsh
now you shot yourself in the leg
small anvil
Or just msb should be better than rcb
earnest marsh
where rune arrows
meager flame
well there was this big thing for awhile where people were trying to present scobo as like a bowfa lite
small anvil
LMS?
meager flame
and idk why they kept saying that to everyone
earnest marsh
pretty sheet way to get them
small anvil
Rune arrows aren't a choke point
meager flame
because that thing is trash when you're not shooting demons
meager flame
the real alternative is the atlatl
and it kinda works but its pretty significantly worse still
small anvil
TDs are guaranteed hit half the time
earnest marsh
well see with the new flethcing game, but i have no hopes for it
yep, but whats after that? going with atlatl to raids?
its so insanely worse then bowfa in toa
and gwd
earnest marsh
i guess the new mage staff has potenial
but cg just so insnaly alot of gold
gems
and baically a mega weapon
earnest marsh
yep
also you lose set effect on tds right
wiht atlas
bowfa aswell but not to big
earnest marsh
Demon route also gets you easy zammy
35% more dps then eclipse
jezzzzzzzzzzzzzz
on td
small anvil
Yeah, my point is that you can get raid ready skipping bowfa
Barrows moons TDs
The demon opens a lot
earnest marsh
ye
but after yama
sure you can grind tbow
till insanly long grind
and eye of arrak isnt cheap to use
i guess you grind shadow first
small anvil
BP masori is better than bowfa as people love saying lol
earnest marsh
weird
small anvil
It's probably grind toa
earnest marsh
lets calculate
without rigour, bowfa is better
and with rune darts
as gl upkeeping anytihng better then that
tiny epoch
amethyst?
small anvil
Amethyst?
earnest marsh
and also gl upkeeping rune dart if bp is main weapon
fi you gotta go ouit of your way to mine amethys
then bowfa just becomes
insaly much better
small anvil
Amethyst is afk, kinda 0 time almost
earnest marsh
sheet xp, not really that afk, and boring
but i guess people like it
rune arrows from pvm>amethyst with tbow also
tacit wharf
getting to 92 mining is 0 time?
nimble shell
and eye of arrak isnt cheap to use
It's slated to be 2x death 1x chaos per charge no? For its stated position between sanguinesti and shadow that seems quite cheap to me
earnest marsh
then mining amethys
fair comet
Amethyst is afk, kinda 0 time almost
Is that a good way to get 99?
small anvil
I did it that way slowly
earnest marsh
It's slated to be 2x death 1x chaos per charge no? For its stated position betwe...
ye,, but its almost twice as fast as shadow right
small anvil
But I'm a main
fair comet
How much XP/hr is it?
earnest marsh
so its 0,7death runes and 0,33 chaos per tick
nimble shell
ye,, but its almost twice as fast as shadow right
Fair didn't think bout 3ticker
tacit wharf
Is that a good way to get 99?
post 92, its a fine way to 99, nice afk activity while watching show/movie
fair comet
Is it faster than stars and more AFK than stars?
earnest marsh
nope
tacit wharf
stars give shit resources
earnest marsh
far away from same afk
tacit wharf
u can always use amyth ammo
small anvil
Faster not more afk
earnest marsh
21k xp an hour
tacit wharf
mining gloves as well
earnest marsh
mining
nimble shell
Ye by the time you are worrying about 99ing mining you should be far past gems for xp from stars
fair comet
I’m 87 Mining I think
nimble shell
I can see clay for tabs though
fair comet
I was going to do MLM but that STUPID piece of rock on the upper floor is annoying
tacit wharf
if yr going to need the ammo, for slightly less xp
why the hell not
at least you get something in return for the grind
nimble shell
I forget we aren't in the iron chat excuse my bias lmao
tacit wharf
mlm u got idiots who dont know the spots run off timers and spread out, or just bots on the upper floor
old tinsel
Masori bp is better than bofa if you assume no tick loss, which 99% of people cant do lol
nimble shell
But yeah amethyst ammo is always useful and 99 mining isn't something to sprint for most of the time
earnest marsh
its the same as saying cutting magic trees
nimble shell
Maximizing useful mats on the way there is preferable
earnest marsh
since magic logs will always have a use
tacit wharf
i did magic's cuz forestry didnt spawn at redwoods
tacit wharf
Maximizing useful mats on the way there is preferable
the exact reason i did bloods/souls instead of running zmi for 99 rc
earnest marsh
but ye, going out of your way to get ammo, makes it so insanly horribol dps
while bowfa is just there unlimited
well armor has some minimal upkeep
but 5min of pickpocketing is like 400hours?
tacit wharf
dont forget cg's 2nd big draw, the alch's and cash it brings during the grind
tacit wharf
dont even have to pickpocket anymore unless u finish cg sub 200
and even then u got weapon seads u turn into acorns and zalcano (if u want) that are decent
earnest marsh
or 2tick teaks
tacit wharf
if u sweaty
old tinsel
Youll probs do ame grind anyways for bp at TOB
earnest marsh
Youll probs do ame grind anyways for bp at TOB
so?
old tinsel
but ye, going out of your way to get ammo, makes it so insanly horribol dps
So its not technically a time loss
If ur gonna do it anyways
kind surge
since magic logs will always have a use
no they don't
old tinsel
Masori bp is better than bofa if you assume no tick loss, which 99% of people ca...
I still think bofa is better
kind surge
amethyst is actually useful
old tinsel
^^^^
earnest marsh
magic logs are actually usefull aswell
kind surge
mainly irons but it's cheap on mains too
earnest marsh
birdhouses, fletching
old tinsel
nawh magic logs are a waste
old tinsel
You get better xp rates in all other activities as soon as you factor in getting magic logs time
Thats known
kind surge
I'd say most people afk redwoods, yeah
old tinsel
Ya redwoods are for afk
old tinsel
I mean, unless the persons goal is to max the only reason to lvl mining is for the amethyst
And only psychos powermine
fossil epoch
Saw someone mentioned on reddit that duping happened during the peak time yesterday(in this case duping of blue dragon scale) I do wonder if jagex knows if this happened on a bigger scale or not. Since they said no rollbacks
kind surge
no rollsbacks if there really is duping happening is insane
old tinsel
The duping was accidental and couldn’t really be coordinated en mass
Because you didn’t know if you were effected until you logged out
And you wouldn’t know if it persisted
kind surge
ah then I imagine it couldn't have been that impactful
old tinsel
Im sure a bunch of people got lucky
fossil epoch
But its just getting pk'd by your alt, then logging out, not that hardest to keep doing with items actually worth something
earnest marsh
Ye drop item, log out easy right, that's the method?
old tinsel
But i don’t think enough people had time to run a bunch of tries
I believe it was completely random like in a huge pool
fossil epoch
yeh its random
old tinsel
Like itd be lucky af to get it once
fossil epoch
but if you do it with like a mega rare or something
old tinsel
Let alone be able to do it multiple times or purposely trigger it
fossil epoch
dont have to be lucky many times for it to matter
old tinsel
Ur not wrong
If they arent rolling back it must not have happened on a big enough scale
small anvil
You couldn't go exponential tho
old tinsel
Theyll probably remove the items manually
small anvil
Was the big deal
fossil epoch
hopefully yeh, and hopefully they can remove any items duped that actually were impacting
old tinsel
Like i saw a post about someone accidentally duping their fero gloves lol
I think if its under a certain value they probs wont even remove them
fossil epoch
i for sure think some unintended dupes happened more than intended ones
old tinsel
But they’ll definitely get mega rares and 3rd age etc
fossil epoch
No need to spend time removing the extra blue dragon scale
but yeh, a 3rd age pickaxe dupe might want to look at that
hopefully jagex are monitoring certain insane value items more though, i bet they are
small anvil
I would absolutely just dupe gp if I had this power
small anvil
And buy up high volume commodities
fossil epoch
I would absolutely just dupe gp if I had this power
yep, couldnt dupe more than ½ max cash at at time though
"atleast"
small anvil
Just make plat
fossil epoch
true
small anvil
But the real limiting factor
small anvil
Is that you couldnt double the extra gold
So if you start with x
You could only go x+x
+x
Instead of going 2,4,8,16
fossil epoch
You could do that with platinum though
small anvil
You only go back to your reset point
old tinsel
Like i give u all my sht if i know i have the bug then relog, check to see if bug is gone, then get the items back so friend can safely log incase they have it
fossil epoch
You only go back to your reset point
yeh with a single account, not with 2
small anvil
Even with 2
You trade stuff over, relog
You have the original trade over again relog
No guarantee you can affect the reset point unless you can move it forward reliably
fossil epoch
you just switch between p1 and p2 holding it every time though?
dont have to be p1 logging out every time
hallow basin
i retract all my talks about a rollback as i just got a tbow on my iron
earnest marsh
Do you think some items have they're own code?
small anvil
P2 goes back to before you traded over
old tinsel
i retract all my talks about a rollback as i just got a tbow on my iron
Fuck ya
Gz man
small anvil
No guarantee they will reset to post trade
fossil epoch
Do you think some items have they're own code?
they shouldnt have their own item id, if thats what you meant?
fossil epoch
I know the party hat in the wiseoldman bank breakin has its own id, and is actually not a real part hat
earnest marsh
they shouldnt have their own item id, if thats what you meant?
Well maybe it has same item id, but with some extra codes behind, so if something gets dupped, it would have same id
small anvil
If you hand over and relog, good chance you have 100 I have 300
Items do not have unique identifiers lol
They're mutable
small anvil
They'll have to do manually following trades I bet
Fun day for whoever gets that job
fossil epoch
You could just track how many of an item exist, you have a pretty good rate on how fast that item increases in number of items existing. So if its a lot you can check what happened
small anvil
They might just not try that hard though, looks like people didn't really go as hard as I feared with the duping
fossil epoch
Jagex tracks a shit ton of stuff we arent told about, can only guess what it is though
fossil epoch
purple partyhat went from being the most expensive party hat to the least one, back in the day, because that was the one getting duped
but that was at a big scale
fossil epoch
I think you have a small group of people that spend a lot of time just trying to see if duping is possible
warm epoch
They'll have to do manually following trades I bet
They do have a bunch of systems in place to track items
earnest marsh
Jagex tracks a shit ton of stuff we arent told about, can only guess what it is ...
Proboly tracks people pick up item and trades also right
I guess that's how they do it ye
meager flame
i do get the feeling they might not have been locked in on the scale of what was happening
the fact that people have recorded evidence of crazy things happening like to that guys ely tells me that it probably happened randomly like
to just tons of people
like both duping and deleting things
small anvil
people probably dont do that many trust trades which would limit the exposure i think
fossil epoch
yeh i think it happened to quite a lot more people that what we have seen, the ely is brutal though.
But i think it might even have happened to a lot of people where they dont even realize anything happned aswell
small anvil
in the natural course of playing
meager flame
i mean its not just that
like a good example being one guy saying he sold some torva legs for bonds logged off
had his legs back and the membership time
like that certainly happened a lot people probably pay for bonds all the time
fossil epoch
i wouldnt be surprised if that would get deleted, thats usually the thing jagex slams down on the most, someone gaining unfair membership
meager flame
i also think there is a world where jagex just targets some people that were clearly intentionally abusing it
and otherwise lets it go like it didnt happen
they kinda brushed it off with rs3 several times
fossil epoch
Well a rollback is just way worse, especially the longer you let it go
Some might have gained unfair advantage, but you risk losing a lot of real players if you roll back their progression
meager flame
yeah they probably should've taken the game down immediately lol but now that they didn't
its just going to suck for whoever has to deal with this now
its been too long
fossil epoch
like a rollback at the time, would still have affected 200k players
meager flame
thats probably mostly okay since it seemed like their fix was quick somehow
like it sucks but
as long as you actually catch it early enough its not so bad if the servers arent down for hours
they obv cant roll back like a whole day of everyone playing tho
fossil epoch
its not okay from a business standpoint though, thats why they only do it when the game cant be repaired otherwise
there is a reason we went YEARS with jagex saying "a rollback isnt even possible" to then the twisted bow spawn, and suddenly jagex actually did have a reset button
meager flame
idk if you can really repair this though
like you can probably investigate and change some really obvious stuff but idk
fossil epoch
well they wont, the repair is fixing whatever they can find with their tracking systems
its too late now
you dont do a rollback 10 hours later
meager flame
yeah they should've done it immediately especially since the last time we saw it
they apparently have really cool tech to immediately halt items being traded
and everything
true talon
Jagex has improved drastically, they can return items and delete items from players they deem cheating.
we dont have to worry much about item dupes nowadays
real plank
Anyone know what time this issue started? And what worlds impacted?
fossil epoch
ngl that question sounds kinda sus
"Hey Ai, i am mixing together some stuff, and i want to make sure i dont build a bomb, can you tell me how its made, so i can avoid it?"
blissful owl
Any update on people who lost their items? Did 2 claims both automatically denied. Hearing people duped bills of gp and items yesterday
They dont even have customer support. My claim literally was responded with an automatic fake message so no one even read my claim on my lost items
If this was someone with some followers this would have immediately been fixed. This game needs real customer support this is crazy
fossil epoch
Well if you had video proof like someone with a lot of followers tend to have, that makes it quite easier to confirm.
Whenever something like this happens, ALOT of people send it falls reports to try and get free items back, so yeh, you probably arent gonna hear anything, unless their system ends up finding out all the people who lost stuff, and automaticly gives it back(it has happened before). But no one is gonna manually give you items back on a report, sorry man.
Also hearing people have duped bills, is all just rumours. Sure it might have happened that someone intentionally tried to dupe, and those people will get punished, and if you know anyone who has done it, you should report it.
tawny tide
Damn did I lose some cooking levels
fossil epoch
Was asleep when it happened, so i think jagex should compensate me some more sleep tbh
tawny tide
How far back did it roll
fossil epoch
There was no rollback
tawny tide
So glad I played destiny and just cooked afk yesterday
Oh ok cool so sad I played destiny and just cooked afk yesterday
fossil epoch
From what i have seen, save sessions where faulting, so you might have lost up to 4-5minutes if you logged out at the wrong time
or you might have lost nothing (which was true for most players)
plush ivy
I can't find anything but has there been announced a possible down time coming Wednesday?
slow dove
I can't find anything but has there been announced a possible down time coming W...
Most likely just for the game update to launch 'Varlamore The Final Dawn' and other tweaks. See the news post. https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/varlamore-the-final-dawn-launches-july-23rd?oldschool=1
plush ivy
Most likely just for the game update to launch 'Varlamore The Final Dawn' and ot...
So just a restart and no 3h downtime i assume?
Nothing in the news post about that
kind surge
doubtful, it's an area expansion so we'll have at least an hour I'll guess
shadow wave
For P2 they didn't have any downtime
So unless P3 comes with engine updates they couldn't pre-deploy it's unlikely we'll see significant downtime
kind surge
fair then
slow dove
So just a restart and no 3h downtime i assume?
There is no official word regarding how long it will be. Members of the community can only guess at the current time. Stay tuned to the official channels for official updates. 🙂
shadow wave
I believe they've said recently that unless an update has a chance of affecting the save state server, there's no need to test the update after going live before players can access as they are already running the updated game on VMs for testing running in parallel - when the update goes live the server manager starts directing people to those updated VMs
plush ivy
Thank you all @slow dove @shadow wave 🙂
slow dove
You're welcome.
sharp cave
That big server maintenance last week really paid off
And extra 3ms for me and a couple less ellys in the game for everyone else genius
fossil epoch
hopefully my ely has increased in value, you are right
stuck coyote
With the upcoming slayer changes, does anyone know if your current task will get reset along with the block list ect?
fossil epoch
With the upcoming slayer changes, does anyone know if your current task will get...
No mention has been made of your task getting canceled, cant see why it would.
Only tasks thats changing is the metal dragons one, and it would probably just change from steel -> metal dragon
fossil epoch
wait, they are making the dragon tasks less specific?
Yeh all metals dragons are getting piled into a single task (Bronze->Rune)
People have been asking quite a lot for other combinations aswell
fossil epoch
Im guessing the reason they didnt do it, is because it would allow something like duradel (which is supposed to be harder longer tasks) to be done on like hill giants.
But its also just 3(4) bosses at the point, for the bossing slayer master, and its not even a new thing, Kalphites are already 4 enemies turned into 1 combined task
timid nymph
so the blog posts seem to suggest that free pet reclaims are already live in the game but they definitely arent for me, does anyone know when that's gonna happen?
fossil epoch
so the blog posts seem to suggest that free pet reclaims are already live in the...
The poll blog?
Its not in game yet no
timid nymph
oh i didn't realize that was a poll blog not an update blog. it's under the non-polled integrrity change section of that post
fossil epoch
yeh, its not getting polled, but it was just an announcement that they are going to make it
timid nymph
fantastic, thank you
fossil epoch
Should come into the game when its done and tested.
But it most likely wont be this or next week because its probably gonna be varlamore stuff only
timid nymph
my pets are starting to pile up at probita's waiting for the change
fossil epoch
mine are just sitting in the poh, gonna be weird starting to have a pet following. Still too many places you cant bring a pet though
timid nymph
if theyre refunding all the payments i'm gonna get a huge stimmy check
^ yeah i was assuming it was just tokens still sitting in there
old tinsel
Oh okay my bad
minor whale
Guess they're not doing the blog update today like they said
Server issues must have pushed them back some
fossil epoch
They said they would do a blog update today?
night wren
That's a late update 👀
shadow wave
30 minute downtime huh
small anvil
People expected a backtrack on demonbane around then
deep moss
huh, the update is PM?
limpid raven
Midnight thursday?
deep moss
⏱️ Worlds will go offline at 22:30 following a 45-min in-game countdown timer
shadow wave
Blossom just updated it
deep moss
is that a typo?
carmine dragon
Update at midnight? Wut
shadow wave
Typo
deep moss
its fixed... aha
vague viper
Came here just to say I KNOWWWW sorry haha
elfin oyster
isnt that still 1 hour off?
elfin oyster
😮
vague viper
with then 30 mins downtime, which makes for 30 min earlier game up
elfin oyster
my american friends gonna be pissed
limpid raven
Thank you for using local timestamps honestly
deep moss
woohoo thats good 🙂
winged raptor
i hope i dont get blocked from the game for multiple hours because of having a jagex account
minor whale
They said they would do a blog update today?
Ye on Reddit
idle rapids
i hope i dont get blocked from the game for multiple hours because of having a j...
surely not
that would never happen
fossil epoch
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/GffS1t9uUo
Nice, ty!
That does make it look like they are taking a lot of the feedback more serious though, dont think they expected as much feedback as they got
placid jackal
Are the game updates announcing in UTC? Or another time zone?
vague viper
Are the game updates announcing in UTC? Or another time zone?
Posts on other socials will be UTC now, but in Discord we're using the timezone converter so it will show in your own timezone 🙂
placid jackal
Posts on other socials will be UTC now, but in Discord we're using the timezone ...
Perfect! Thank you so much friend!
neon gate
Posts on other socials will be UTC now, but in Discord we're using the timezone ...
Have there been any technical fixes to the recurring launcher issues on update day? It's very frustrating to wake up early to play before work, then sit there watching streams as people play on non jagex accounts but I'm unable to log in
green crag
We're starting an hour earlier 🙂
News post at 9:45?
vague viper
News post at 9:45?
Yep 🙂 9:45 bst
green crag
Thank you 
vague viper
Have there been any technical fixes to the recurring launcher issues on update d...
I know 😦 we're very aware of the issues, and we do what we can to mitigate them
neon gate
Messed up the time converter thingy
I have a very low iq does this mean the game server discord broadcast was wrong?
vague viper
I have a very low iq does this mean the game server discord broadcast was wrong?
It's correct now 🙂 I updated it pretty quick
neon gate
@Announcements
Varlamore: The Final Dawn releases THIS WEDNESDAY! 🦛
⏱️ Worlds will go offline at <t:1753263000:t> following a 45-min in-game countdown timer
👾 Worlds playable at <t:1753264800:t> after 30 min downtime
Thank you
I didn't realize that you would be able to fix that sort of thing in recipient servers
winged raptor
is moonlight antelope's fur still going to have literally 0 use?
vague viper
I think I did the change before I hit publish luckily, but I think it does update across recipient servers, just a bit slower
neon gate
is moonlight antelope's fur still going to have literally 0 use?
You need to pay 1000 of them, 10 rare fossils, and a moon key to fight the Delve Boss
winged raptor
You need to pay 1000 of them, 10 rare fossils, and a moon key to fight the Delve...
bruh
neon gate
Uncut gem examine text has been lying for 24 years, get used to it 😂
vague viper
Hold up, we getting moodeng as a pet?
Sorry, no pet hippos 😦
hollow cloud
ember token
is it just me or does this almost look like a clue scroll puzzle box image
neon gate
No leaking
hard axle
is it just me or does this almost look like a clue scroll puzzle box image
Only if we get a moodeng pet
lost carbon
I know 😦 we're very aware of the issues, and we do what we can to mitigate them
Allow players using launcher to access updates 30 minutes earlier? That incentivizes people to switch over and allows you all to fix any issues if they occur.
vague viper
I must insist on a moodeng boss and moodeng pet down the line <:hugg:11231314452...
You wana fight Moo Deng? 😦
dry pond
You wana fight Moo Deng? 😦
Very clearly an unwinnable fight
obsidian venture
You wana fight Moo Deng? 😦
Yes
blissful owl
@vague viper any update on people who lost items do to jagex server issue?
My bug abuse item lost report got automatically animated message saying nothing can do to check my bank. I am wondering if you guys even looked at the footage I sent in??
ember token
like we told you yesterday, you're not getting the item back
ember token
even if you believe there's a chance they'll restore the item, it's not going to be on a case by case basis like with your support ticket - it's either all or nothing
if they do say they're gonna refund items that were lost, then you'll hear about it likely in #game-news
hard axle
You wana fight Moo Deng? 😦
No no, I want to fight the monster that kidnapped moodeng
Friend of the pet
Like helping capybaras out from a boss that is attacking them and they follow you because you helped them
vivid ruin
Moodeng at my children 
small anvil
No no, I want to fight the monster that kidnapped moodeng <:peepognomeblush:8830...
I will fight for moo deng
abstract agate
Do you look like mod blossom?
Keep spamming about it . Until you get it back
iron dew
i know this has been asked a million times already but are we good to game? lol
fossil epoch
i know this has been asked a million times already but are we good to game? lol
What do you mean?
ember token
iron dew
good enough! thanks @ember token
frail nebula
I really hope we do get that summer sweep up p2 block update today
but it kinda looks like that may not be happening :/
fossil epoch
considering its 18:15(6:15 pm) in UK atm, i doubt we will see it today
tommorrow hopefully
Have we seen them release a blog post during evenings before? cant remmember one
frail nebula
I don't think we've seen blog posts then
forest tinsel
Why are soul runes sky rocketed
magic patio
Has the over priced membership been cut in at least half for a year membership yet?
fossil epoch
Why are soul runes sky rocketed
Increased demand for them because of Yama and Shadow usage, and a big chunk of the ones coming from botters at soul wars got removed
frail nebula
mage yama is incredibly chill
forest tinsel
Yep
frail nebula
and you still need dark demonbane even if you're meleeing
magic patio
Sad.
Want to play but litterally cheaper to buy any game that will give you a year of fun for half the price
Found a few that have my interest and its 5 differwnt games i can play for years that still cost less than a years membership.
ember token
feel free to play other games
fossil epoch
Civ 6 is free on Epic Games atm, could go play that.
But complaining about it in here wont get you far
fading maple
Then dont pay for membership?
frail nebula
Want to play but litterally cheaper to buy any game that will give you a year of...
then do that
fading maple
Not sure what games are a one time purchase and give years of content
green pewter
Binding of Isaac
tacit wharf
Civ 6 is free on Epic Games atm, could go play that.
But complaining about it in...
oh yo, ty, only had the standard free edition offered before
shy sentinel
Moo Deng gunna be an obtainable pet? or are we getting capybara'd
ember token
no moo deng
shy sentinel
scam
magic patio
Civ 6 is free. That soundss off. Big fan of civ. But my point being i dont want to pay more for an oldgame year to year that thakfuly is still around. But i dont want to play other games most days. I want to play osrs. Call of duty is basically fortnight with differnt colors
Scammers for profit have taken over. And im. Tired. of it. Been awhile since i played, but hoping that some of you (as i call it) shits that stand up and try to make a change and get a change for the player and not your purse.
winged raptor
cod has been close to the same game for years, if you still buy that - thats on you. i get so many hours out of osrs that it almost feels like im scamming jagex at this point
small anvil
? You ok
ember token
vast majority of people are fine to keep playing the game at the current pricing, lots of them having grandfathered in membership pricing
very unlikely that you'll manage to inspire hundreds of thousands of people to stop playing in hopes that they lower the membership price
shy sentinel
Civ 6 is free. That soundss off. Big fan of civ. But my point being i dont want ...
bro...Jagex is a company. I'm sure if they could keep the lights on and continue to employ everyone for free they would. Stop living in fantasy land and pay if you want to play...If you love the game you should be happy to see it thrive
fading maple
Current pricing keeps microtransactions out of the game, player counts are nearing all time highs. Price isnt going down, just play something else.
magic patio
You havnt played much cod as it was developed for sure.
Data... no they arnt or i would be they as well as others. Cause are you ai actually defending?!?! How many days have hudreds of thousands been logged in at one momwnt in time
magic patio
Because i want to hwlp the player base
small anvil
Rally people to quit playing a game they enjoy?
fading maple
The playerbase doesn't want help
magic patio
To help expand the player base
small anvil
Feel free to make your own choices, I'll make mine
magic patio
So you say. But we need friends and jagex is not
small anvil
Continue not playing not on the osrs discord server lol
frail nebula
Maybe we just stop engaging with the blindingly obvious bait
small anvil
You're just distracting from people who actually want to talk about anything else
shy sentinel
Because i want to hwlp the player base
you want to help expand/help the playerbase then you should encourage them to not come to the game-updates section on the OSRS discord with reddit bait
more about Moo Deng plz
frail nebula
I still really want to hear about the update to the summer sweep up p2 blog
That was supposed to come out today
magic patio
Says the guy not listening. I only havr asked and and argued for a fair price for the game in the past. And still asking for it not
small anvil
Probably got delayed by them investigating the potential dupes
small anvil
The reaction was so universally negative that I saw re dark demonbane
That I can't imagine they go through with it
frail nebula
Thralls too
tender harness
Civ 6 is free. That soundss off. Big fan of civ. But my point being i dont want ...
What the fuck did I read
frail nebula
Literally everything around the rune changes was bad
frail nebula
What the fuck did I read
You read bait
small anvil
Thralls I didn't care as much but it was an odd choice
magic patio
Id offer an oppology but i get the same reaponse each time. Deal with it.
frail nebula
Thralls are just annoying
And the reasoning made no sense
"Oh we'll switch away from bloods to save you a rune slot"
tender harness
Delete thralls 
small anvil
Reasoning was avoid requiring bloods
tender harness
Reasoning was avoid requiring bloods
Hear me out. We add a new untradable drop that removes bloods from DC at 1/2500 from delve 8 only
frail nebula
It would only not cost you a rune slot if you were running thralls, dark demonbane, and not dc
small anvil
No idea
frail nebula
They framed it as saving you a rune slot when you're using thralls and other arceuus spells
And I can't think of any other possible scenarios they had in mind
like... mage only yama?
I guess that's probably it?
small anvil
You can sgs as mage only
frail nebula
Yeah fair
small anvil
On judge
frail nebula
I've no idea what they were thinking
small anvil
So you do value the spec some
frail nebula
It just doesn't make sense
small anvil
I like don't really care about the thrall change
More souls used whatever
It does seem anachronistic to do it now with soul runes so high
frail nebula
They're also trying to look at dark demonbane and, for mains
small anvil
Probably would have been better received my mains at least back when souls cost under 200
frail nebula
Adjust it so the price is "lower" only relative to the current inflated soul rune prices
frail nebula
Probably would have been better received my mains at least back when souls cost ...
Nah it still would have been bad
Because then 4 chaos runes would have also cost more for mains than 2 souls
magic patio
you want to help expand/help the playerbase then you should encourage them to no...
What is reddit. Some of us enjoy playing the game... as a game not a profit machine
frail nebula
As it is they're only making dark demonbane more expensive for irons
tacit wharf
going to get flack for this but, thralls are too cheap
small anvil
I feel like the thrall change is one they decided on months ago
frail nebula
And it only doesn't look more expensive to mains because souls are inflated atm
small anvil
And the demonbane one was recent
And they absolutely don't make sense together
But they took the already decided thing
Idk
frail nebula
Considering that adding chaos runes completely negates the entire reasoning for the thralls change
small anvil
That's how it worked out in my head
frail nebula
I think part of it is that they want a small nerf to thralls
By making them more expensive
But they don't want to say that it's a nerf
So they're trying to wrap it up in some whole "it's to save rune slots" argument
Even though that doesn't make any sense
tender harness
What is reddit. Some of us enjoy playing the game... as a game not a profit mach...
you can help the game by just not talking
small anvil
It'll be less of a nerf if souls drop again (I don't think souls will drop below 300 again)
tender harness
It'll be less of a nerf if souls drop again (I don't think souls will drop below...
100m soul stack rn
magic patio
A bane vs shades might increase morto
small anvil
Realistically there's not enough soul runes coming into the game to go that low
Did you sell any yesterday mana
tender harness
not yet
small anvil
Souls popped to 480
They're coming back down now
The effective profit per hour at 480 is like 8m/hr
small anvil
Yeah, like under half the profit vs if you sold then lol
tender harness
id imagine theyre going to spike up on delve day
small anvil
Hyper sensitive to margins
tender harness
and come back down
true talon
<:FeelsGood:420421776321937448> 100m soul stack rn
100m souls is like 47b
small anvil
Depends if shadow good there
frail nebula
id imagine theyre going to spike up on delve day
unless magic isn't particularly useful at the delve boss
tender harness
100m souls is like 47b
100m in souls* not stack wise
true talon
I’m h
frail nebula
The original delve boss rewards weren't really magic focused
true talon
Oh that’s only 225k lol
frail nebula
So magic might not even be the play
Especially considering we did literally just get a melee/magic demon boss
small anvil
What does eye use rune wise
tender harness
dont think thats known yet?
frail nebula
deaths and chaos?
small anvil
Oh no souls
true talon
Deaths an chaos
small anvil
That's so cheap then
true talon
Or demon tear
frail nebula
it might be even cheaper
we'll see how plentiful demon tears end up being
it's not like the toxic trident where it uses runes and scales
small anvil
Gonna be cheaper to run than shadow by a solid amount then
frail nebula
it's either or here
true talon
I’m betting demon tear is about as good as sunfire splinters
I don’t think the cost is what people complain about when using shadow
frail nebula
The cost is annoying for irons at least
but that's less the cost and more like
the annoyance of physically acquiring that many runes
true talon
It is what it is, if you own shadow your obligated to grind to sustain it.
small anvil
446 Right now, probably can sell for 449 manaless
frail nebula
It is what it is, if you own shadow your obligated to grind to sustain it.
well yeah, never said otherwise
true talon
Unlike owning a tbow an having no way to get d arrows or before improved methods to obtain blood runes
frail nebula
but it is also, iirc, the single most expensive weapon to use in the game
small anvil
That's based off yesterday trade price
true talon
but it is also, iirc, the single most expensive weapon to use in the game
Sang is more atleast for an iron
small anvil
I just use this https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/566
frail nebula
ah yeah
true
since it's 4t
sang staff is kinda troll in general though
and will become incredibly dead content in just a couple of days
true talon
Sang healing is still nice
true talon
Yea
frail nebula
and you don't need a group to get an eye
About the avernic treads, I am curious if there are going to be any reqs to add cerb boots to them
I remember the initial blog post, before the avernic treads were usable on their own, mentioned 80 smithing to make them
hard axle
No more Tasakaal Trials
I doubt we're getting another 2-3% mdmg boost via mage infernal cape anytime soon
winged raptor
im not saying 99 smithing needed for avernics is a good idea, but smithing in is such a bad state that having like 80lvl req is a joke when you need 90+ to craft some of rune items
hard axle
im not saying 99 smithing needed for avernics is a good idea, but smithing in is...
In hindsight, it should've locked away a lot of drops and you needing the levels to make it tradeable would've been good 
like Araxyte Fang
winged raptor
yeah, i actually had to lvl up my crafting to craft rancour
tacit wharf
tender harness
im not saying 99 smithing needed for avernics is a good idea, but smithing in is...
No 99 smithing absolutely should.
they are cowards for not adding high skill reqs to high end items
90 smithing, 90 Runecraft to make avernics
austere mulch
No 99 smithing absolutely should.
they are cowards for not adding high skill re...
Huggggge +1
slow robin
With a few updates coming to slayer I'm looking to see about a poll on a idea I've had for a while. 99 Slayer Cape is barely useful just a flex where other capes are truly useful. My thoughts are for 99 slayer cape = Slayer Helm (i). Reasoning #1 not all of us have infernal capes or quivers, so for max mains it could open helm slot for torva masori (f) ancestral etc and #2 - 1 defense pures with 99 slayer cape can finally have the slayer 15% bonus damage not requiring them to get defense for slayer helm (i). Thoughts anyone? I think it would benefit the whole community not just us max mains.
hard axle
90 smithing, 90 Runecraft to make avernics
I think Araxyte Fang were a good middleground where you can't cash in until you get the levels 
tender harness
gate avernics to 90 sailing
ionic tartan
With a few updates coming to slayer I'm looking to see about a poll on a idea I'...
I don't think it can be the same 15% if slayer bonuses were in another slot. Won't the meta just become void+slayer cape for something like 27% boost?
tender harness
With a few updates coming to slayer I'm looking to see about a poll on a idea I'...
you are literally going to lose people with just pures
FTR
slow robin
No it's just like you can use salve and slayer helm
Cant*
Not anyway stackable just like they have with salve or slayer helm. Sometimes salve is the better choice.
tender harness
theres a sentiment in general skill cape perks are dated and a product of the past but like it's probably something so low on their radar
agility and firemaking cape 
small anvil
They should buff some capes
ember token
I believe Jagex has said in the past that they don't plan to add more perks to skill capes
oblique mesa
Skillcapes shouldn't have perks 😎
winged raptor
i could see like increased weights for your fav task with slayer cape added, but making it a bis cape slot or w/e is too far
small anvil
Thieving cape perk is like really good though right
tender harness
would rather see them rework some of the objectively garbage capes
slow robin
Why not? So crafting cape shouldn't have quick tele or def cape acts like ring of life etc
hard axle
I don't think it can be the same 15% if slayer bonuses were in another slot. Won...
People know damn well why they want it off helm slot and onto stuff like blessing slots instead, which is set bonus for gear setups + restricted builds.
Not only blessing slots zero damage lost, especially if you have Quiver, but you now get back the helm's stats 
slow robin
People play hard and alot of hrs for them. Why not make them useful?
winged raptor
there are worse capes, i havent used attack cape once and used slayer one almost daily
tender harness
because worse capes like firemaking, and agility, and fletching exist
one free grapple 
slow robin
Yea main thing is it would be a game changer for 1 def pures and it could benefit those of us with max mains as well. I don't hate someone cause they choose to be 1 def, but why punish them to not allow the slayer bonus dps?
tender harness
game changer for 1 def pures this statement here alone is going to be a no from people
ionic tartan
People know damn well why they want it off helm slot and onto stuff like blessin...
Nah, I bet most people don't even pay attention to that if there's no explicit mention (ie: Antler Guard).
I think part of it is moving it to another slot so they can wear a full armor set. But it's also another powercreep for slayer damage.
slow robin
I don't even have a 1 def pure just a max main, but why hate on 1 def pures?
ember token
lot of people dont like restricted accounts (besides ironmen) getting catered to
ionic tartan
imo, people think 1 def pures = pk = hate