game-update

[sacred skiff]

that I can then copy

[hasty shard]

you'll probably fill ticks

[frail nebula]

assuming there's a good pattern lol

you know what also sounds awful? 3t butterflying akkha with it

[hasty shard]

like idk there might be a 7t method where you swap between mage/melee

[molten nest]

Throwing my voice on the pile of voices saying that changing thralls from using bloods to souls will screw over my iron man massively as I have 500k bloods and 0 souls.

[true talon]

3-0 is a 12 tick cycle so 4-0 should be as well

[frail nebula]

the rune changes in general are pretty awful for irons

[sacred skiff]

But part of 3-0 relies on being dragged right?

To combine a move with an attack

and also the range is shorter

[limber wolf]

@true talon but you cant ud get hit by olm running back to mage hand

[sacred oracle]

mains 🤝 irons
hating the rune changes

[sacred skiff]

I like the rune changes

[sacred oracle]

i haven't seen a single person say anything good about it here or on reddit

except you

so now that's 1

[fossil epoch]

Because people dont like them, and thats fun?

[frail nebula]

yeah you are genuinely the first person I have seen who likes it

[sacred skiff]

Chaos is dum

Should be deaths

[fossil epoch]

So you dont like them

[frail nebula]

like the new runes are a pain for irons to deal with

it all takes up more slots

that's bad for everyone

[sacred skiff]

But I have to protect my 120k soul runes for the shadow I'll surely have one day

[frail nebula]

uses up way more aether runes

that's bad for everyone

[fossil epoch]

it being soul + death runes is generally considered a good option

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I don't bother with aethers at yama honestly

[limber wolf]

they state they want you to bring less runes then add chaos runes to the mix, insane idea

[sacred skiff]

cuz I don't wanna waste them on demonbane lol

I just eat the inv slot

[sacred oracle]

yeah i genuinely wonder if it was a misprint

[frail nebula]

and 4 chaos runes at that lol

[sacred oracle]

we'll find out next week when blog is updated

[true talon]

I don’t support the chaos rune due to the space concerns lol

[sacred oracle]

or hell maybe they update from feedback this week

[sacred skiff]

also chaos runes aren't like a high level rune

[frail nebula]

the rune changes make me really wonder if jmods are like

just not using the arceuus spellbook

[sacred skiff]

so it's weird they'd be in the highest-level demonbane spell

[limber wolf]

its like they only thought about uncharging shadow

[fossil epoch]

would be nice, but i doubt we will see a weekend blog update

[sacred oracle]

oh yeah today's friday

[frail nebula]

yeah, and next week is varlamore p3

[sacred oracle]

i'm all scrambled up

[frail nebula]

so their hands will be full

[molten nest]

Is it a poll change or just going through no matter what though?

[fossil epoch]

monday and tuesday are free i guess

[sacred oracle]

no poll

[sacred skiff]

If they could just shove those slayer changes in asap though that's be alright

[limber wolf]

it can be revised, but it'll go through

[frail nebula]

I still wonder if they put this blog out on a friday just because they knew it would be unpopular

[sacred oracle]

but as always jagex are open to feedback

[austere mulch]

Oh this will for sure happen if it is lol. Yama (base) already missed the mark of both being and end game boss and being a “successful” duo boss (like titans)

If doom is on a similar note, ppl will be upsetti spaghetti

[sacred skiff]

Still need eternal gem and voidwaker

[molten nest]

I was so bummed when they just unilaterally nerfed manta rates at all bosses. I was building a stack for raids and it's the only way uim have to stack.

[frail nebula]

I have to imagine they intend to give us manta rays from deep sea fishing

with sailing

[true talon]

This is nothing new, also I feel Yama was fine release.

[frail nebula]

because "just get them from skilling" doesn't work when you literally can't fish them

[sacred skiff]

Lol cutting mantas and giving sharkbait (oohaha) is so strange

[austere mulch]

Wym. Cox inferno tob royal titans all got tons of praise

[molten nest]

True, I think zendairy had a similar idea

[frail nebula]

the sharkbait is also laughably bad

[true talon]

There woulda been less backlash if the harder versions wasn’t behind contracts

[sacred skiff]

"We're taking this good food, and give you a way to work for this not as good food

[hard axle]

Sang is just fucked yeah

[frail nebula]

contracts are so puzzling tbh

they saw awakener's orbs

one of the least well-received mechanics ever

[fossil epoch]

To be fair, as long as this boss can be done by anyone without a speedrun time completion of the inferno, the hlc will dislike it. Content is mostly fun when most people cant do it

[molten nest]

Yeah... I have no idea how I'll even try for radiant

[frail nebula]

and thought "yes, we should do more of this, but even worse"

[hard axle]

You know what’s wild, pet contract is actually pretty fun and could have even been the CG version of Yama

[austere mulch]

I think Yama is fine and is a generally enjoyable boss with great visuals. It just missed the mark in tuning in regard to where it was expected to land

[molten nest]

maybe like stack 5 contracts of the same type at a time to send?

[sacred skiff]

"Contracts will not be buyable uniques"

"Contract of Oathplate Acquisition"

[frail nebula]

tbf that one's a bit different IMO

and hasn't really affected prices, understandably so

[true talon]

Shoulda had p3 be 50% so you’d be forced to interact with the waves and flares even ina duo

[hard axle]

Anyone who has done Pet Contracts would agree that it’s miles better than base Yama in terms of satisfaction after you get past the learner hump

[frail nebula]

yama p3 is really quite fun tbh

[hard axle]

@true talon I know you haven’t

[hard axle]

You definitely haven’t either

[sacred skiff]

Ooh ooh have I?

I haven't

[hard axle]

But that fight is satisfying

[true talon]

I have 6 pet contracts ins 1725 kills, wouldn’t want to waste those learning lol

[hard axle]

as hell

[sacred skiff]

I haven't opened my dossiers since getting DC lmao

[molten nest]

do the inferno simulators have/have plans for radiant/blood torva learning simulators?

[sacred skiff]

Takes up like 11 bank slots

[frail nebula]

why would I do pet contract when I already have my pet (:

[hard axle]

Make the main do it and you just don’t get the buff

[austere mulch]

It balanced the value of the pieces in relation to each other, which is cool I guess

[hard axle]

It is miles better than regular Yama ong

[austere mulch]

Or at least it helped do that*

Most of that came from shards

[frail nebula]

yeah that's mostly due to shards

the contract is ridiculously rare

[hasty shard]

you know i have

[frail nebula]

so rare that it doesn't have much impact on prices

[hasty shard]

or do you mean petract i cba reading context

[hard axle]

:petract

[hasty shard]

ok i havent

its tempting sort of

[hard axle]

1-way zcb off cooldown

[hasty shard]

feel like id want zcb first

[hard axle]

No food

No restore

[hasty shard]

the zcb shit seems awesome honestly

esp since ur trading it for less sgs specs

[hard axle]

Yep

I think my pb at contract was 2:24 lmao

[hasty shard]

bloodied blows is also neat

trading commons for faster kc 👍

which is a nice middleground i think

[hard axle]

but yeah, if they added hard Yama and made it pet contract mechanics

Without the contract

[hasty shard]

also probably insane xp/h

[hard axle]

And higher drop rates

It would be fantastic

[hasty shard]

i wanna see an unbound yama with every mechanic tbh

do an event like they did for og phosanis

[sacred skiff]

More like unhinged yama

[hard axle]

yep

only contract haven’t done yet is oathplate

Shards and worms kinda cool

[hasty shard]

fuuuck you could do like 220 zcb hits on this

guaranteed + prayer boost

[sacred oracle]

i still need to learn pet contract

but group content makes me super stressed out, and i've been told you shouldn't solo pet contract

so i just keep putting it off

[wild cedar]

Interesting that Jagex posted about doing business with Amazon, given the ethical reputation of Amazon.

[tender harness]

you question the ethics of amazon? brother in christ have you seen the world? have you seen Nestle?

[tacit wharf]

probably typed that from his iphone

[frail nebula]

so who thinks that jagex are actually going to act on any of the rune cost feedback they've gotten?

because I feel like putting this blog out on a Friday right before a major unrelated patch is like

the worst time to put it out if they actually intended to act on feedback

[small anvil]

1 more rune type you have to bring if using DC+thralls

[vivid ruin]

Which is why i said earlier

Runepouch upgrade when

[frail nebula]

you mean rune pouch upgrade 2?

[vivid ruin]

Yes

[frail nebula]

diviner rune pouch

[vivid ruin]

Divinest rune pouch

[frail nebula]

I don't think they actually could upgrade the rune pouch without reducing the amount of runes of each type that it can store

the 16k limit is already only there because of technical constraints

[vivid ruin]

6 different runes
5k limit

• on/off switch

Which death charge 2 also needs

[austere mulch]

Blood + death runes
Nature + law runes

Pls & ty

[vivid ruin]

Call it the avernic pouch

[true talon]

Being ethical and business don’t go together lol

[small anvil]

high impact typo

[sacred skiff]

Lmaooo

[frail nebula]

Moon helm on the clog is a pretty funny change too ngl

[small anvil]

they buffed the rate by like 4-5x

crazy

[true talon]

Poor cloggers lol

As if they didn’t have enough suffering

[small anvil]

tass still didnt realize i was talking to him =/

maybe he really was going mask off 😔

[vivid ruin]

He's in a mood

[small anvil]

there we go lol

[vivid ruin]

[true talon]

Nah stupid auto correct changes it to ethnics as I’m typing from
My phone

[small anvil]

ya i realized it was a typo/auto correct

just came out very wrong

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-thats-racist-dats-racist-gif-5036293

[frail nebula]

big mod north moment

[true talon]

Mod north is popping off with good decisions

Not seen a bad thing since he took over

[small anvil]

see, we knew tass was delusional but...

[true talon]

Name one bad thing north has done as ceo that has impacted both osrs and rs3 negatively.

[tacit wharf]

gotta agree with tassili here

[real bluff]

Muspah and Levi attributes to the delve boss.. this boss is going to be badass

[ember token]

name one GOOD thing he's done

[true talon]

Got the ball rolling to remove micro transactions

[ember token]

oh wait

yeah i forgot about that

fair enough

[tacit wharf]

US runefest discussion officially

[true talon]

Yea that 1 too

[small anvil]

not to stir the pot but pride cancellation happened on his watch

[tacit wharf]

true true

+1 that

[true talon]

And I already know, everyone is like but the pride event. There was still a pride event that had its own special in game event and stream with the jmods. There just wasn’t one coded in game.

[small anvil]

also yama contracts happened since he took over

granted he didnt personally do that

you said not a bad thing since he took over

which is like

a wild statement

Canceling work that was already done into an in game event is definitely a choice

and def burned good will with a bunch of the community

[sacred oracle]

i blame him for the fact i will have to listen to people argue about pride for forever now

a truly anti-tramayne act

[small anvil]

ya like IMO it was an objectively bad choice for the game

even if you wanted to scale it back in the future

or not promote it as heavily this year

[tacit wharf]

we here to play games, u want a parade, go to an irl one

[sacred oracle]

i would rather there have never been a pride event in the history of the game than to have gone through the hell of this year

[shy sentinel]

Moon Helm being added to the collection log is awesome

[sacred oracle]

yeah

weird that it was left out in the first place

[small anvil]

whats the best skilling method for key pieces

the monster rates are better now

by like 4-5x

[tacit wharf]

think they wanted to see how it settled for being so rare

[shy sentinel]

tbh, w444 forestry at mistrock or Oasis

[sacred oracle]

though the nice part of it, is it does expose stuff like this, where otherwise normal people somehow hold gay stuff to some high standard

xmas in game? sure, why not

easter in game? who cares

[shy sentinel]

but for afk, Varlamore stars and calcified rocks

[sacred oracle]

pride parade? why are you bringing irl stuff into the game!!!

[plush gull]

yeah its insane. @winter hearth do u know if itll be possible to run scrapped pride event with xmas event

[small anvil]

i think i have 1key piece from a bit of calcified deposits

[tacit wharf]

both now more commercial holidays then religious (xmax/easter)

[quasi minnow]

Why do they let me make fires? I can do that in real life

[sacred oracle]

it exposes that people somehow view gay stuff as abnormal and special, but other stuff as normal, whether they realize it or not

[small anvil]

i even said "not to stir the pot"

but pot got stirred

big L

[sacred oracle]

but honestly i end up coming down on the side of the bigots, for opposite reasons: i don't want any more pride events, because i don't want to spend the entire month targetted harassed and stressed

[hard axle]

The buff is massive and now you can fully afk the clog now

it’s lowkey wild

[small anvil]

whats the best afk for the combat half

[hard axle]

you know the meta for keys was still Huey right?

In masses

[true talon]

I support no events of any kind related to irl events in my video games.

[shy sentinel]

I saw your DI tag and immediately thought of the old clan Damage Inc...they used to clap ROT back in the day

[plush gull]

too late to go down the all saints' wake route tho dont u think? or do u really want it changed retroactively

[hard axle]

Mass Huey

[small anvil]

i've never actually done mass huey i dont think

[hard axle]

You still get untradeable rolls

[sacred oracle]

sorry, no damage, only deliveries

[hard axle]

no prayer, no food, just afk blood barrage

[sacred oracle]

though i could drop your requested item! for big damage!

[small anvil]

ooh

[hard axle]

I have like 15 key half’s

[sacred oracle]

i'm still incredibly pissed that they named the rare item the same as the crystal key half

[hard axle]

It doesn’t work for pet because you need to hit tail, so don’t try it for pet

just moon helm

[sacred oracle]

so i ended up leaving so many of them on the ground in my 7k amoxliatl grind because i didn't know they weren't crystal keys

because they have the same goddamn name

[small anvil]

ohhhh

ouch

[tacit wharf]

trying to combine them with a loop half the first time

....

[sacred oracle]

ahhhhhhhhhh

i can't wait until wednesday

why is wednesday so far away??

[small anvil]

i wont be able to play til like the next day

o well

[true talon]

I need delves, I was making addy bars from my ore 😦

[frail nebula]

just put yourself in a neat little capsule traveling at near the speed of light

should let you travel to wednesday much more quickly

and if you don't have access to one

then you've been neglecting your irl skilling

[sacred oracle]

[celest sail]

Please consider letting us store wildy tasks also

So we can get double rev tasks

[worn mirage]

I don't see a date on the blog and I'm new. When would these updates go in?

Or will it be part of the varlamore update?

[obsidian venture]

No confirmed date yet

Probably late August if anything

[worn mirage]

Oh

I was trolled by the blog post because it said "Today's changes". It meant what was announced and not that it's in the game today I guess lol

[vestal hull]

is it here people can talk about the summer sweep proposals ?

[frail bough]

ye and #1395736550427594772

[vestal hull]

alright thank you ill talk in there

[sacred oracle]

oh, so that's what development-blogs is for

i just never clicked on it

seems redundant to have that and this channel

[fossil epoch]

this is just for any updates

that one is to specify on a topic

Also this channel tends to not always "discuss the latest game update!" as its supposed to

[pastel night]

any mod can verify if this is a client error or why is one of the leeches at Levi, called "Ranging potion (1) leech" instead of "abyssal leech" ?

[small anvil]

you can make those leeches called item names

by feeding them that item

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Abyssal_leech_(The_Scar)

[pastel night]

dang, this ruckery
thought its the 6 hr log XD
cheers

[true talon]

Missed release day of twisted bow leech and scythe leech

I fed a metamorphic dust to one

[frail nebula]

I'd love to see a 3rd age pickaxe leech

or the probably rarest one of all

the helmet of the moon leech

[chrome lantern]

Some wild leech names during leagues

[austere mulch]

There was one posted on Reddit closer toward the time when ppl found out about it

Could’ve been photoshopped, but also 3ap was a lot cheaper back then

[ivory fog]

With Summer Sweep, do our slayer streaks remain? Cant read anything about that…

[ember token]

there's no reason they should disappear

[ivory fog]

Just asking, hate to see it go away.

[ashen flame]

Shocked they did not mention Slayer helmet cost adjustments

[vivid ruin]

Take the silence as a no 😭

[ashen flame]

It's been getting some traction on my suggestion and a few videos outlining the blog

Hopefully they at least talk about it

[true talon]

Im glad scythe is going up, on a new boss which is meant to be weak to crush.......

scythe crush bonus needs to be yeeted

[wispy current]

Is thrall + death charge going back to being 5 slots instead of 4?

[frail marten]

Really don't like the rune cost adjustments for demonbane and thralls... would rather have dark demonbane stay 2-rune (ie, only soul and fire runes, just adjusting the amounts of those) and keep bloods on thralls rather than souls
or if they really feel they have to change it to souls, i'd go with 2 soul/2 cosmic runes to decrease the soul(/aether) rune cost
Love everything else in the blog though, esp rune pouch from MTA

[hard axle]

i thought the markets didn't matter

[true talon]

they dont, that was a joke lol

Scythe going up but all other crush items arent

[hard axle]

i swear they did this bait and switch before

[true talon]

In b4 the boss is 1 x 1 but when his shield is out hes 3 x 3

but you cant melee into the shield lol

[hard axle]

ngl, I like fluctuating stats based on phases

just as long as its not too frequent (ie. every attack)

[next prairie]

So when can we expect the first round of renderer bug fixes to be pushed out.

From what I understand too: this build is much older than what is internal and some of these bugs had already been fixed before release?

For me the pixelation on mobile clients is rough and there are no settings available to tweak it compared to desktop clients.

[austere rampart]

Just read the blog and I'm disappointed there's nothing being changed to incentivize people going for slayer streaks. These changes will basically only make early slayer better, anything from mid-late slayer will still be turael skipping as there's nothing to gain from having a streak.

Perhaps something like a change to slayer helm that every 1k tasks completed makes the helm gain 0.5-1% bonus damage or something and make it cap at a low number so it doesn't get extreme, like 3%. That way people who want the fastest exp and chance at heart will still get it from turael skipping but people who want to keep their streak would gain the advantage of slightly faster tasks and a potential gain to some boss kill speeds

[austere mulch]

They made tureal skipping much more efficient though with master-based block lists

Which is a great middle ground as opposed to ridding it outright imo

[austere rampart]

It makes people have even less of a reason to go for streaks which I feel is to some degree the heart of slayer. There's no advantage whatsoever to having a streak after the midgame and these changes make it even worse

[small anvil]

huh... i just realized this is actually slightly worse for the intended way because if you fill out one master's block list then graduate combat lvl

[austere rampart]

We might as well be heading in the direction of a pick list instead of a block list and you only receive the tasks you ask for

[small anvil]

you have to pay for more blocks at the new master

[hard axle]

What they could do is lower it to 20-50 potentially

or just give people 500 points from the quest

and let them fuck around

[austere rampart]

Please jagex, give people a reason to have a slayer streak after they've unlocked everything, I beg you

[true talon]

They already do, task skipping that you cant block

also task streak past 1k dont matter as it basically resets

[austere rampart]

No need for points or skipping

Goto duradel, get a bad task, goto turael, kill 5 rats, goto duradel, get a good task, repeat

There's no point at all to have a streak because of this functionality

[true talon]

dont see how thats a problem, streaks arent really the greatest mechanic anyways and only reason you do them is to get bonus points to skip

[nocturne solstice]

I enjoy my convenience of just saying "gimme a diff task ty" instead of having to teleport a buncha times and spend more time doing a task that does nothing

[austere rampart]

There's no problem if you're fine with it, it just seems like a pointless mechanic if it's never worth actually having a streak

[austere rampart]

I agree, I have a task streak but it's painful when I know how much better it is just using turael

Spend an hour on an average task vs spending 2-5 mins teleporting to get a new one

[nocturne solstice]

I dont really think about it at all, in my own lane, flourishing, unbothered

[austere rampart]

It's just the fact a streak is pointless which I don't like, give us something to use the points on or some reason to have a streak

I don't even use all the points I get, the number just keeps going up

And these changes give even less of a reason to have a streak or make it more advantageous to turael skip from a much earlier point of the game due to the reduction of points to unlock so many things

Might as well make skips free or something

[tacit wharf]

like i said in #1395736550427594772 , if they want to keep tureal a thing, fine, but he should have no blocklist

[austere rampart]

That's the bare minimum of what they should do

Turael skipping is already so much better than standard slayer

[austere mulch]

Yeah that’s true, didn’t think about that

Buffing turael slayer, even in a roundabout way, makes the expected way of streaking even less ideal than it already is

Make streaks give bonus points and you get to pick your task for the streak

Ez enuff

Still prob worse on avg

But good for hunting at least

[austere rampart]

Yeah no matter what you do it won't be as good as turael

unless skips are free

[austere mulch]

If we got to pick our task on the streak, that’d probably incentive enough for me tbh. Get the points for skips over time + knowing I can select my task on 10x or 25x

Hit the 10 streak, pick a task and store it, then pick it again for the b2b guaranteed

And run slayer cape chance on each

[brazen sigil]

I'd just make skipping free tbh, ends task streak but no need to do turael

[small anvil]

Turael boost and turael skip will always be best unless turael sucks or unless the slayer master is just only cracked tasks

If you buff streaks you make boosting for points better

[nocturne solstice]

Iunno man, if we make skipping free then just skip skipping and let people pick tasks. It's the same thing but wastes less time.

That probably wont happen for the obvious reason though of everyone just picking the best task all the time and prices likely plummetting for certain items as supplies soar.

[brazen sigil]

It's basically what we all do already except less time waste. Turael skipping is not a good or engaging game play loop so just take out the extra step.

I hear you though could be op

Otherwise replace it with a more engaging loop

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah so it's the trade off of spending time doing a tedious nothing for a free skip or you pay some points for an instant skip.

A different system would be nice though ngl.

[brazen sigil]

Not sure what a different system would be. Maybe we create a list of very short new skip bosses you fight for free skip. Maybe they take like 2min to kill or something. A bit beyond current sweep up but maybe something for the future to consider

[wind hazel]

wait so was the slayer summer sweep-up going live or is it a poll or is it suggestions?

or a future update i am confused

[small anvil]

It is something they will change

It is not next week

Likely after they settle varlamore part 3

Summer sweep up took a couple weeks

[wind hazel]

but then why did they say Today’s changes fix some long-standing issues with Slayer.

[small anvil]

Today's (post's) changes I guess

[brazen sigil]

It's unpolled stuff because it goes under category of game health but they'll take on board feedback

[sacred cove]

It cost 30 points to cancel a task? Since free would never go over well, maybe make an option to skip a task for 5 points, but you reset your streak

[wind hazel]

well then heres my feedback great ideas wish it wasnt so convoluted as to when to expect them. or is this just a tactic to confuse and add content without polls?

[sacred cove]

or make it 10 points to cancel, and make a diary reward give you 3 free cancels a day, then you can't abuse it and farm a specific mob, but you have more flexibility to keep a streak going without doing a bunch of garbage tasks

Maybe even just remove some tasks, like ankous, we don't need those

Squahs

[tacit wharf]

its a blog, its not an update

blogs tell you things they are planning to do and release at a future date

an update is things going into the game at that update

blogs typically have questions that get polled or game integrity changes that dont get polled

[minor whale]

Things deemed as important system changes are usually unpolled, but they still will change things based on feedback. Likely the rune cost thing will be changed. As for the time it'll be added - it'll be sometime after Varlamore p3, but can't say for sure when

[wind hazel]

Today’s changes fix some long-standing issues with Slayer.

how can todays changes not mean update?

[tacit wharf]

fixation on a random part of the blog

as its today's changes they are suggesting, not changes going into the game at that moment, since again, its a blog

[true talon]

This is a warcrime on ironmen everywhere

[small anvil]

has there been public backtracking on the demonbane change?

[torpid delta]

they said the blog will be updated monday, i give it a 95% chance they backtrack with that

[meager flame]

tbh

its really as easy as just giving more slayer points based on how inefficient a task is

that way you aren't immediately hitting the wall of "well turael skipping is effectively xyz points/hr and this is absolutely nowhere close so we simply never do it"

thats their fundamental problem that they refuse to fix lol

actually using the skip task button needs a buff more or less

which means people need to get more points for doing tasks instead of using turael to dodge them

until then the whole system is basically doa

[sacred oracle]

i dunno, i feel like points is in a fine place

you never really need to care about them, and they're easy to get

even more easy to get after these proposed changes

[meager flame]

feeling =/= math

points are trash and its essentially never worth interacting with them in the intended manner

[sacred oracle]

the math has always been favorable, you can skip extremely liberally and it's not a problem

i skip every single task i don't want to do, have done for a year or more, and i've still got 4k points

they just pile up

[meager flame]

yeah but you're not going as fast as you could be

[tacit wharf]

the problem with points only arises when all you do is skip for the same 4 or 5 tasks

[sacred oracle]

so to me, the feeling is more important, since the math is already trivial

[meager flame]

you just dont know any better

[sacred oracle]

um what

[meager flame]

you cannot gain points as fast as you can skip tasks with turael and if you objectively want points

you cannot gain them as fast as you can boost for them with turael

[sacred oracle]

what's the problem with that

there's a method that's faster, and that's fine by me

or you can ignore turael skipping and get points more slowly, but still profit points by large amounts

[meager flame]

the point is essentially that turael is better for any situation where you want to do anything specific

and it doesn't really have to be

the only downside to the turael stuff is mostly revolving around just doing slayer to actually train slayer which is a good thing

[tacit wharf]

and i have no problem with that really except, u shouldnt be able to skip or block turael tasks

[meager flame]

but

if you want to farm an item or unlock things with points or whatever

turael is your guy

its not even close

personally i'd rather turael just be used for its intended use case of skipping a task you really can't do if you run out of points

and actually doing slayer giving enough points to replace him entirely

like for example

i'd kill metal dragons if i got the points i would've gotten for running around slaughtering random low level npcs for turael in the same amount of time

but instead we just have shit tasks that dont give points that make sense for the time it takes and they suck for exp and they suck for drops

for no reason

also tbh im a bit worried with a turael block list

that we might be getting a bit close to turael being meta for exp too

[keen bolt]

Do we have any clue when that slayer update is actually going to drop?

[meager flame]

they said they want it to be soon but at least next week and the week after are probably off the table for varlamore part 3

probably the week after that too but maybe

i think thats about all we know

[small anvil]

I agree 2.5 weeks is the earliest likely

[narrow folio]

I hate turael and don't want to lose my streak

This makes me feel even worse I don't want to do him

[meager flame]

i mean you only want to do the skipping if you already ran out of points and you're trying to get something in particular

boosting just gets your streak even faster if you wanted points

but i do agree that turael losing your streak because that's just better than actually getting points for skips is not fun

i do think an underrated part of the new slayer ui is that it actually shows the chance to get tasks when you're blocking

so i think more people will intuitively get a more efficient block list

since its pretty obvious that you want to block the stuff with higher weights that you know you dont want to do

and use your skips on the less likely tasks that you dont want to see

[vivid iris]

Can we get a slayer reward (toggleable) that restores the old system where metal dragons are separate tasks?

I like being able to do a small amount of mithril, addy, or rune dragons, and skip the bronze and iron ones.

[sacred skiff]

20 mith or addy drags is like a 15-minute affair.

Slower at runes cuz of the def and also they’ll be slammed with this update tbf

[tacit wharf]

sounds like you'd be a big fan of task storage, so some here, switch tasks, get new task, switch back to stored task and some more and so on

or just not extend metalic dragon tasks

[sacred oracle]

if you like doing small dragon tasks, this isn't a good update for you

i will miss doing just 4 rune drags like a free skip

do like new system a lot better tho

[kind surge]

why not introduce how rs3 handles specific cluster tasks then

higher tier monsters in that cluster count as multiple kills

[meager flame]

they should have already made a task only rune dragon area

but they definitely should make one now

[kind surge]

100%

[plush gull]

why did they scrap the aegis

i need it

it has so many niche usecases like budget melee inferno speeds as a much better alternative to glacial temotli in inquisitor, would also just way be better temotli at nylos if the double hit works like sulphur blades and not macua

and yama, yama is so desperate for budget option variety 😭 give me the diabolical aegis instead of the wand

[true talon]

The aegis wouldnt been a budget option lol. you have the demonbane weps to kill yama.....

Budget melee inferno speed is not a sentence that exists......

[plush gull]

well maybe you would see it more often if they released the aegis especially since inq is probably gonna be great at this new boss and then people will realise its good at muspah and fight caves/colo/inferno too

[true talon]

Melee is not good at muspah or inferno or fight caves, it is good at colo.

[plush gull]

inq is a good budget option for muspah gm time

it beats bofa in general too

[true talon]

im glad the niche shit demonbane crush wep got smacked down so the somewhat useful wand between shadow and sang could come into the game

inq is in no way shape or form budget lol

[plush gull]

its roughly on par with sra and sits at similar price

[true talon]

mace is 320m, legs is 120m, body is 80m, helm is 50m

[plush gull]

tho at muspah sra is worse without oathplate

[true talon]

melee is not viable at muspah

[plush gull]

full inq is, if ur stepping back with bofa and thralls then inq will just be a straight upgrade

maybe ruby bolts for teleporting

the 4t is also nice for fight caves and inferno, less clicks per tick while also losing 0 ticks instead of a few if u perfect step back with 5t

i find it hard to be on mobs more than 2 out of 4 ticks while 2t flicking so i would lose even more DPS with sra

[chrome lantern]

Why even mention full inq for muspah when it's worse than a trident of the swamp in virtus

And this is with a forgotten brew, not even a saturated heart

If you put heart on then it's even easier to beat full bis inq

Also inq is absolute dogwater compared to ranging the ranged phase

And you still need to get past the smite shield which means sapphire bolts, so you're already in ranged gear

(I didn't change the ring at all in these mage setups so I left ultor on there)

[plush gull]

answer my previous question before u start arguing with me about calcs again please, did you include a maul spec in your "200k lance" setup

[vivid whale]

more of a jmod question, and unlikely to be answered since it's the weekend, but just curious: any word on how kalphites will work after the change to slayer master-specific blocklists? it's the only overlapping task between turael and most high-level slayer masters, so the change creates some interesting scenarios:

• (less relevant) if I get assigned kalphites at Duradel, and I have kalphites blocked at Turael, will I be able to use Turael to skip the task?
• (more relevant) if I get assigned kalphites at Duradel, and Turael is also able to assign me kalphites (up to 30), will I be able to use Turael to skip the task?
  • in this example, is Turael unable to assign me kalphites immediately (b2b?) can the slayer cape perk activate here?

if anyone has any knowledge of how turael skipping works specifically with Krystilia tasks that are on both lists (bears, scorpions, spiders, etc) then I feel like that probably answers the second question

[chrome lantern]

When was this a budget setup again?

Also there was no “previous question” I was avoiding

Oh you mean like literal weeks ago

Yes I explicitly told you I included dwh/maul specs

When I did the calc I made that explicitly clear

[tacit wharf]

no u wouldnt be able to skip a kalphite task given from duradel if u go to turael, as he assigns them as well

the block list is only there for when u get a task, not when u already have a task, or so it should work

[vivid whale]

This is how it works currently but I'm wondering how it'll work post-change, hence the krystilia comparison. But even post-change krystilia will operate uniquely as she'll be on a separate task streak entirely, so it's probably not a good idea to assume anything from her interactions

[tacit wharf]

i see no reason for it to change

with the changing being proposed

[plush gull]

ping me in #old-school if u want to post more calcs. u dont see how comparing a "200k lance" to elder maul, with an elder maul spec spec included for the 200k setup, making it 200m more expensive than the eldermaul setup is an issue? and u called me a troll and refused to even post the calc. also ur posting full virtus which basically ties with inq even before DWH specs which are going to be accurate and reasonable in full inq, not to mention how much it beats bofa by which is my original claim.

[chrome lantern]

I did it with and without maul specs

Also a dwh is 17m and 90% effective

Also you said it beats bofa “in general” which is explicitly
not true on the other half of the fight

[tacit wharf]

i dont understand why u just dont expand your inventory of gear so u dont have to do these weird as hell theorycrafts that you restrict yrself to ren

[chrome lantern]

You complain about not getting gm times when trying to limit yourself to novice gear like void or mainhanding an elder maul

Or not doing literal gm contracts

Etc

[plush gull]

ive literally never complained about not getting a gm time. gonna block u

[chrome lantern]

?

Actually you know what

Please do block me

[plush gull]

im not engaging any further, ping me in #old-school if u have more calcs or proof of me saying so

ok

[chrome lantern]

That will make things easier for me

I won’t get baited as much

Since you won’t respond to logical refutes with blatant nonsense if you don’t read it

[plush gull]

thats good to know, i was thinking about what to block instead of banshees cuz i like doing banshees in catacombs. i wonder if blocking kalphites with turael is still a play

[tacit wharf]

the whole ahhh u disagree with me, im blocking crap gets real old real quick

[chrome lantern]

See there’s another great example

Who tf kills banshees in the catacombs when turael skipping

That’s great bait tbh

Literally counter the entire purpose of turael skipping by doing a significantly slower task with negligible loot

[plush gull]

because spending 20 seconds to walk to venator 15 banshees to get totems is such bait... ur an iron who wants to bring full oathplate to cox and probably has 9001 ancient shards... everything thats a different perspective from u is not bait and its not ok to start lying about what people have said when they call u out on that. 🤦

[tacit wharf]

no just the logical location to kill banshee while turael skipping is slayer tower as they're low level and quick to kill

and relatively quick to get to

[plush gull]

whatever banshees are cool and have superiors and give me ancient shards and totems\

[chrome lantern]

Didn’t you block me? Why respond?

[vivid whale]

I think kalphites are most likely a fast task from turael since you get 30 max, they're cannonable, and you can tp straight there with desert ammy 4
Having them blocked on duradel but unblocked on turael seems like the easiest approach, the case for leaving them unblocked on duradel isn't super relevant after all since they're weighted 9

[meager flame]

you wouldn't block them on turael

there are bigger time waste tasks to block

you would block them on duradel tho

as for the other stuff you were asking originally though

i can only assume all task skipping will work as it currently does and each slayer master would only interact with their own block list

otherwise it would make no sense

[plush gull]

at least the last task after lizards, dogs, wolves, bears, skeletons being unimportant makes the 6th slot unlock not super important for turael skipping

my zerker will probably be using chaeldor for skipping zuk tasks until its almost maxed

[tacit wharf]

turael shouldnt have a blocklist

[plush gull]

wheres chivalry for pures btw, along with decreased drain rate

[nocturne solstice]

in your dreams~

[nocturne solstice]

I have a crazy idea to have no blocklists, make people use skips, but add a lot more slayer masters for a better curated pool of tasks.

[tacit wharf]

if it were up to me, turael wouldnt even be a slayer master higher slayer level players could get tasks from

[nocturne solstice]

i agree with that

[tacit wharf]

if people want more points, they can skip less tasks

[nocturne solstice]

Turn Turael into the slayer tutor and he wont skip tasks for you after a certain level. Maybe 30 or something idk

[tacit wharf]

40 or 50

since thats usually the level people use him for for turael boosting early

[nocturne solstice]

im okay with that

[plush gull]

imagine turael boosting instead of safespotting ents as your 2nd slayer task like me 😭

[humble wharf]

Is there any info on the "Alchemist Signet" mentioned in the varlamore video?

[shadow wave]

No, it wasn't mentioned in any previous blog

It's a ring and it seems to be consumable? So perhaps it's like goggle secondary save effect but for herbs?

[hasty shard]

i dont think they'd add something like that unpolled

[shadow wave]

True enough

[timid scarab]

Consuming 4x the aether runes for its only realistic use case (death charge + thralls during raids and pnm where inv space is hugely constrained) is insane in my eyes. Like, for me this is the only reason they made this change, so that the engagement numbers of Yama post "being finished" could be artificially increased

The use cases of using dark demonbane + thralls is not even close to having the same inventory space constraint as above - so the issue isn't really the soul rune consumption alone, but the asanine increase of aether rune consumption

One ToA (30-40 minutes depending on invo lvl) would consume the equivalent of 10 minutes of Yama killing.

The supply gathering time being on the same magnitude as the usage time is not at all healthy for the item and will just make you feel bad whenever you use it. It's supposed to bring joy and a feeling of accomplishment having grinded out such a high end boss and then finally using the rewards, but now it will just bring anxiety lol

If this is still implemented I reeeeally hope that the delve boss shits out aether, or at least that a lot of different relevant sources are introduced in the upcoming Varla expansion

Jagex said their logic was to ease rune management during arceuus sb use - in that case, surely they will increase the aether income/rune equivalent to compensate for the 4x usage, seeing as aether runes werent even mentioned as a reason?

@winter hearth was this considered in the change at all, or was it truly just a "rune management" thing?

But I guess the aether rune issue could technically fall under the "rune management ease"-umbrella, since with these changes us irons wont have any left and thus ease the rune management by having one less rune to use 😂

[wild cedar]

I have also heard of the bad reputation of Nestle. how would you compare Amazon?

[wild cedar]

No but I do doubt my phone's producer has better ethics. I have seen an ethical assessment of Apple placed far above Amazon, Meta, Google.

[wild cedar]

Not necessarily. It's relative, some companies much worse, some much better.

Would be interesting to see an ethical rating for Jagex, I wonder if they are just as bad as these others. In Australia we have the Ethical Consumer Group, but I don't know much about different ethical rankers.

[tender harness]

Amazon is a saint compared to the shit Nestle has done

[wild cedar]

I can't send links but referring to ethical.org.au , seems hard to compare which is worse (and they both get "F"). IDK what you think if you feel like looking at their pages?

[tender harness]

this server isnt the place to discuss ethics of multi billion dollar companies, and frankly I don't care. for every company that has done something bad, theres one out there that has done something worse. and will continue to do so. Theres DuPont who poisoned an entire town in Ohio with PFOA, Nestle who probably could be charged with war crimes at this point, literally any company founded before 1940 has some ethics issues I don't get the point of moaning about one when frankly theyre all shit, just some are shittier than the rest

[wild cedar]

Actually I did find an ethical evaluation of current Jagex owners CVC Capital Partners Ltd. Ranked "F" with reference to the World Benchmarking Alliance (2024, 2025), referring to e.g. respecting human rights, providing decent work, equality, and investment in gambling. So I guess not particularly better than Amazon anyway, according to the Ethical Consumer Group in Australia.

Seems unsurprising given the concerns I've already read about the new Jagex owners.

[warm gust]

Didnt they also mention loot table changes to the slayer monsters as part of the slayer "rework"

[tacit wharf]

would guess thats in part 3

[chrome lantern]

There wasn't supposed to be a part 3. Wouldn't be disappointed if there is though.

[tacit wharf]

ya just looking back, i see they covered everything already in the 2

[earnest marsh]

Can you hand in twice on each contract in mixology?

[ember token]

no

[earnest marsh]

Damn ironmans skilling discord lies

[spark palm]

only fools would not want a rockcrab pet from the gemcrab boss.

[tacit wharf]

i mean, u keep deleting yr msg because people downvote it, so....

[earnest marsh]

idk how much time pets takes to make

anyone knows?

[minor whale]

It's an afk boss you never actually kill, meant solely for training melee XP
It's like asking for a nmz pet

[spark palm]

IMO if a boss has a kc on the highscores, it should also have a pet

Rock crabs are one of the most iconic and cutest creatures. A pet for the boss would be sick. either way im happy there is a rockcrab boss

[ember token]

mimic pet 😨

[spark palm]

That would be awesome

[true talon]

ya why moxi get a pet but this one dont 😦

[hard axle]

If we have to choose between pets for fletching minigame and gem crabs, just give us gem crabs please

[spark palm]

Im currently going for the moxi pet, and stacking as many frozen tears as i can. The ruins are tapotuiak was an amazing update. by far my fav place in osrs

[shadow wave]

Mimic pet you can use any item on and it'll follow you

Twisted bow sliding along the floor

[austere mulch]

Transmog for bloodhound

Need that

[keen bolt]

Yeah I was thinking late July or early August just wasn't sure if I missed something in the blog or somewhere else

[shy sentinel]

For those chasing the Moon Helm for collection log or just fashion, the loop halves can be completed in conjunction with hunting ents while doing forestry w444...fc/chat-channel: Forestrycc

Mistrock has yews, maples, Oasis in Varlamore has Teaks, and Aldarian NW has magic trees

[small anvil]

Huh interesting I should do that

What has the best rate for events, I need the beaver transmogs

[shy sentinel]

So there's really no best rate for specific events since they changed forestry....it's kind of a time sink for the regular forestry clogs

however you can multispot, but it's not afk at all

30 tile radius, 1 chop per tree at 2 different locations to qualify for events at both: Forestrycc in-game can explain well

personally I'm just a go to a spot and chop/chat with the locals haha

[small anvil]

Didn't know you could qualify for multiple locations

Saw people chasing ents tping everywhere for eggs

[mighty smelt]

How can I properly worship the empty lord if I cannot decorate my own house without his icon???

I do not bow before a cat, the usurper, the pathetic "wise good" god nor the god of Balance. No! I worship the empty lord!

What im saying is, its a bit funny how we haven't got variants of the icons and stained glass that is of that motif for the POH. It'd be great for roleplay purposes or house decoration purposes. I get it, "but all i see is if i am bone running!" Yeah and?

Add em. More decors to these gods too. I dont wanna have my house kitted with that stinky usurper Zamorak

[earnest marsh]

proboly world hopping forestry is better?

bro, why is WC so pointless, supposed to be a gathering skill

[hard axle]

Why? You know this.

Because they started flooding pvm with excess resources.

[shy sentinel]

they need to remove logs, fish, ores from pvm loot tables

[hard axle]

there should have never been a reason why pvm yields more passively than active gathering

Forestry basically said fuck it, here’s XP since resources worthless

[old tinsel]

For the new boots do you need to add all 3 boots at once to upgrade or can you do one at a time

[ember token]

i want to say you can add them one at a time but there's been so many revisions that i'm not certain

[old tinsel]

Yeah how im reading it is they made it so you can still get a boot upgrade but it might still be all 3 at once to get bis

not very clear tho

[earnest marsh]

ye, im ignoring the sad truth 😦

every boss need increased amount of resorces dropped, as last boss redcuded the price on all the resorcesed it dropped

sadlife

[austere mulch]

They said at some point you can add one at a time

[meager flame]

well part of the problem with most resources is that other than xp

they're fundamentally useless

and i mean xp is one thing but

they're basically dead end game design instead of being part of the cycle of simply playing the game

if they actually want to help skilling then they should probably take a pass through everything and fix that one at a time

for example

mithril bars

we do not need mith nails or any of the ammo weapons or armor the only thing we might need long term are mith grapples and to make one thing for a quest

and you can get the grapple from a box for free

you can use that example for almost all of the metal bars from smithing

with some more sane game design we should probably use alloys for the best ammo and different alloys depending on what the ammo is for

so that the players were actually using the skilling materials

so that there was ultimately a point in the items continued existence

kinda hard to fix skilling without doing things like that

[small anvil]

i mean smithing is mostly alchables and ammo

fletching is alchables and ammo

runecrafting is runes

hunter is chins and ammo and herbs and useless stuff

farming + herb is potions

cooking food obviously

like most skills make gp or something that's used i'd say?

the reason gathering skills suck is
bot competition if it was actually good money
people didnt wanna gather so they put resources on drop tables (also jagex has no idea what to put on drop tables besides resources and uniques, they dont wanna just do straight alchables either)

[meager flame]

yeah but alchables is kind of a joke

pvm supplies that and its way better for it

what they need is for skills to actually do something that matters for the way people are playing the game

you basically have most production skills producing nothing of value at nearly every level

which is kind of insane

and that makes the gathering skills terrible

[small anvil]

alchables are what make the game go round honestly

in the end things are either alch or valuable as gear/consumable

[brazen sigil]

I think the ideal solution is having resources specific to PVM and skilling which need to be combined for a given output. That way each is required and contribute to the other without devaluing the output of the other. It's what they did with Yama and we need more of it over next few years whilst limiting pvm resource drops which also come from skilling.

[hasty shard]

(foundry)

its like not good enough ofc and its more of an armour sink but yeah

you probably go through bars there slower than you could just mine the mith+coal

i think they need to be way more careful with what supplies go on tables

toa dropping coconut milk and spines is ridiculous

muspah/levi dropping smokes is also a bit of a problem

basically anything that has had its value completely nuked because of pvm drops

[true talon]

well its mainly because the active of gathering is so fucking bad, like it takes around 1 minute to chop a single magic log.

[thick beacon]

its not just pvm ironman shops are insane to and a really slept on topic

[hasty shard]

its weirdly an osrs exclusive thing

shops restock daily or some shit on rs3

[last onyx]

Shot update

[hard axle]

Speed it up, but next tier of gear needs you to sacrifice like 10k magic logs per piece to create the next bis 🙂

Still think Torva should've ate up 10k metal bars as part of the reforging/repair process

[hasty shard]

sorry no can do

has to be blood runes

seriously why the fuck does every dt2 ring use blood runes 😭 ???

and its only like 500 at that

[crystal widget]

Log basket/forestry basket should have an empty option when worn/in invy.

[hard axle]

Waiting for one piece of content where Harm Staff/Elemental Weakness is significantly bis

[tacit wharf]

jagex, " we want to start encouraging more weakness diversity"
then proceeds to ignore all of magics weakness and go "best we can do is powered staves" like elemental/ancient arent also weakness that can be used for magic

[earnest marsh]

Yee

I believe twinstaff is bis on muspah pre shadow

[last onyx]

Twinstaff will always suck

Because thralls exist

Its a noobtrap

[hasty shard]

mfw they removed the 200% weakness on zaros minions

😭 ????

[earnest marsh]

Over trident if swamp, it's like 1.2 dps higher

So technically worth

But ye

Pointless to grind twinstaff sadly

[hard axle]

bro, what is going on

why are people rolling back

its like micro rollbacks

[small anvil]

how long til we have duped tbows

from the rollbacks

[chrome lantern]

At muspah specifically you also lose corruption spells which is big

[earnest marsh]

Ye true

And range phase is longer then mage right?

As smite phase is ranged

[chrome lantern]

Smite and final phase are range yeah

[earnest marsh]

Have we had any mage boss lately (non shadow)

Guess Yama, but melee is better there

[idle rapids]

random rollback, weird

[small anvil]

Yeah, an Elly got poofed apparently

#old-school has some discussion

[earnest marsh]

Wait what

[winter skiff]

so this has to be related to a dupe right

[fair comet]

We don’t know at the moment

[idle rapids]

usually they're cause of a dupe, or someone figured out how to crash worlds (which can also be used to dupe)

[small anvil]

Servers have felt unstable too so you wonder if it's just them creacking under the high population strain

[ember token]

thats what i'm thinking

they've got leagues numbers of players online without actually being prepared for it like they are when leaguesh appens

[small anvil]

Wonder if people are duping items or gp

Scy was heading up in price but not that much

[blissful owl]

Just lost my bandos tassets on my ironman. For no reason. I just came back online I was reset outside the door with no drop

Got all the screenshot and everything

[small anvil]

How long ago did you get it

[blissful owl]

540 pm easten time

Was so hyped took photos and all. My whole clan has pictures of it dropping in log

[small anvil]

Ok so within the window of other micro roll backs people have been reporting

[blissful owl]

And now gone

[small anvil]

That freaking sucks man

I feel like we might be headed towards a larger roll back

[blissful owl]

Anything I can do in here or does anyone know who I can contact

[small anvil]

It's an issue affecting many people

[blissful owl]

I have all the photos and everything

[small anvil]

And if there was duping going on

I would not get your hopes up 😦

[chilly meteor]

Jagex staff is not online. I would be careful today. This rollback situation does not seem planned.

[small anvil]

Their snapshot of the player is just not being saved on log out it seems

So individual players are being rolled back like 5-15 mins from what I'm hearing

[blissful owl]

Do they ever give items back to ironmans

[small anvil]

Only happening sporadically too

They do when uim death banks get messed up

[blissful owl]

I spent hundreds of hours and finally got this drop

[small anvil]

But if they do a real rollback I think its highly unlikely

[ember token]

there is basically no chance you get the item back

[hardy iris]

they wont

[small anvil]

Too many people to do it individually

Uims are a special case basically

So few of them

[hardy iris]

I just logged off my ironman for the night, not wasting rev task on a roll back

[blissful owl]

I mean I'm not like saying I got a t bow. I just got bandos tassets after 1140+ kc and now they gone

[hardy iris]

I got kicked back into the wild, after banking my looting bag, and doin some skilling

[small anvil]

Odds are we get a 1hr rollback or more

Ryan how long were you sent to the past you think

[hardy iris]

about 10-15 mins give or take

[small anvil]

Ok that's in line with the upper estimate I've heard

[hardy iris]

I teleported to the bank, banked my looting bag, and reset my farming contract

logged out to go to the restroom, came back and i got full looting bag in the wilderness again

[hard axle]

nooo, dont log now

[small anvil]

They're gonna have to manually do bond purchases in this period

[hard axle]

just leave it on

logging out is what seemingly triggers it

[hardy iris]

no im just gunna keep it logged out, and hold my task for tomorrow when they fix

[small anvil]

Yeah whatever snapshot of the player the server saves

[hard axle]

ah okay

[small anvil]

Seems to be not correct

[hard axle]

if u did anything or got anything good in the past hour or so

stay logged in

[small anvil]

If you get a good drop afk for like an hour or so

I guess

As long as you can

[blissful owl]

So what do i do i logged out and back in

[hardy iris]

Ive played for many a years, 22 yr old main acc, never seen that happen, I thought I was tweakin, and dreamed about the whole banking thing lol

[blissful owl]

And tassets are gone.

[small anvil]

You're not alone

[blissful owl]

So do I stay on or logged off?

[small anvil]

It's too late for your tassets iron

[solar dagger]

log off

[chilly meteor]

I would not play at all today.

[blissful owl]

I wrote jagex support an email and got all the photos from multiple clan members plus my runelite log and pictures

[hardy iris]

personal opinion, if your ironman, stay logged out at this point

[solar dagger]

either way its probably fked

[hardy iris]

dont try going for any drops

[small anvil]

I would just not play any more today

Anything from a couple hours ago forward is liable to be gone

To rollback

A more comprehensive one

[chilly meteor]

Best case scenario, it was a one time server dump or memory leak that corrected itself

[small anvil]

Cuz you just know someone's worked out how to use this to dupe

[chilly meteor]

Worst case scenario we are under attack

[hardy iris]

hmm, did this all seemingly just happen all at once?

[small anvil]

The accounts have come in sporadically

[hardy iris]

possibly a one off thing, roughly around 11pm london time?

[small anvil]

It doesn't sound like it was being set back to a specific time point tho

[solar dagger]

happened to me 2 times in a row doing the same thing

[blissful owl]

I was at bandos got my tasset drop. Went to c wars logged out. Got back on and I was outside the door like I never went on the trip. No tassy no c log. Gone

[solar dagger]

was doing wildy clue steps and used the wildy lever or canoe to chins

[small anvil]

That's the same across accounts

[blissful owl]

All the photos I got tho and my clan has all the photos of me getting the drop insane

Im devastated. 1140+ kc and finally got the tassets drop

Now they are gone

I may have to take a break from this. I am sick

[solar dagger]

lol

[chilly meteor]

Thats pretty rough, i wouldnt get my hopes up about recovery since its happening game wide

Best thing to do right now is log out

[hardy iris]

^^

[blissful owl]

Im out. I sent jagex support all my photos and everything

[chilly meteor]

Best you can do.

[small anvil]

I wish you luck

But I would guess it's a low chance of success unfort

[blissful owl]

Do they ever help people that lost items like this or no?

[chrome lantern]

No

Not usually at least

[chilly meteor]

They do. But this problem is happening on a game wide scale.

[small anvil]

Uim stuff at most

[chrome lantern]

Like I know a streamer who lost a masori body to a rollback on a uim after 50 dry in 400s

And he didn’t get it back

[chilly meteor]

I wouldnt expect any restorations in this scenario. This is code red for the entire game.

[blissful owl]

Anything else I can do. I submitted a screenshot and pictures to jagex support

Any more u think I should do anyone I can contact or anything that anyone knows

I mean my item is just bandos tassets. Nothing like t bow or shsdowb

[hard axle]

https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/209366569-Lost-items

[odd copper]

Anyone know where I can find the Mokkha gamplay video?

[chilly meteor]

Im sorry about your tassets 😦

[tacit wharf]

#twitch-and-youtube

[tacit wharf]

.

[odd copper]

Thanks

[blissful owl]

Thank you

[lament peak]

so people are definitely duping items right now right lol

[small anvil]

What items, is it affecting the ge?

I wanna see the carnage via ge tracker lol

[lament peak]

like via trading or dropping. I wouldn't dare touch my group storage

[small anvil]

Yeah it's not good, people poofed an ely

If only it had gone the other way it would have duped

[blissful owl]

Im sick

[hallow musk]

Anyone have a good eye on the first sighting of the problems? I got a shadow about 5hrs ago, I think that's safe but I stg if they nuke this I'm gonna be so pissed

Seems like 2hrs, maybe 3hrs max

[fair comet]

I would just stay logged out

[blissful owl]

I lost my item 540 pm. Eastern time

[hallow musk]

That's the plam

[blissful owl]

Sent all emails to jagex with photos and everything

[chilly meteor]

Do we have any idea what the true issue is?

[hallow musk]

Sounds like a desync issue

[blissful owl]

So just stay logged out?

[chilly meteor]

Mods gotta get out of bed quick

[blissful owl]

U think?

[small anvil]

I think it's just not saving the accounts state

As frequently as it should

On some worlds

And not on log out

[hallow musk]

Yeah I think player count is too high tbh

[blissful owl]

Why would it do that tho? Wtf

[small anvil]

I certainly suspect it might be linked

[blissful owl]

This is crazy

[hallow musk]

So writing of saves is delayed

[small anvil]

Server pops are as high as they've been

Huge bump in player count

[lament peak]

I haven't rolled back on the 2k world

[hallow musk]

And specifically people are mentioning world's like 330

[small anvil]

I heard other normal worlds

But I haven't been trying to catalogue all of them

[chilly meteor]

Desync seems highly likely

[earnest marsh]

2007 server problems 😮

[chilly meteor]

Server load causing the issue is a bit strange to me though.

[fair comet]

The servers are experiencing issues right now because they killed that gorilla, Harambe

He didn’t deserve what they did to him

[blissful owl]

So guys what's the chance they get my tassets back to me after hundreds of hours and now loosing them?

[past plover]

jugs out for harambe

[fair comet]

Absolutely 0% unfortunately

[blissful owl]

1140+kc for them

[fair comet]

I get it.

[blissful owl]

0%!

What's? No chance?

[chilly meteor]

Its unfortunate for sure

[blissful owl]

Even with photos and all

[fair comet]

https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/209366569-Lost-items

This is their policy

[chilly meteor]

Disregarding the policy, many items unfairly lost have been restored by mods. There is virtually zero chance they restore any items in this instance due to the sheer volume of players they’d have to manually sift through

[hallow musk]

A single event caught 15-20 minutes afterwards is traceable.

Were on over 2hrs still online

And people are still playing forward on their rollback

Meaning whole new saves are being made

[chilly meteor]

The structural integrity of the game is also crumbling at the moment. Not trying to sound mean but they really have more important things to deal with..

[hallow musk]

I honestly think Jagex wouldn't even be able to see your drop unfortunately

[lament peak]

They need to take servers offline :/

[blissful owl]

All the photos I have and evidence if clan screenshots from multiple people

[hallow musk]

@last onyx you were online 2hrs ago posting on reddit

Please consider taking the servers off

[blissful owl]

I posted my photos to the jagex website

All my screenshots and everything. Times and all

[hallow musk]

Then just hold your breathe and wait for the official word

[blissful owl]

Thank you

Sorry just really been spending 6 months hunting for these on and off

And now today I finally got them and now gone

[ember token]

be prepared to accept that you wont be getting them back, unfortunately

[blissful owl]

Im sick seriously

[chilly meteor]

Its unfortunate truly

[blissful owl]

Will they give me a word if they csn or can't get them back to me even with tons of photo proof and everything

[hallow musk]

They will give an official word on what they plan on doing

Which will include whether they plan to respond to individual item problems

[chilly meteor]

Proof is meaningless if your request is buried under thousands of other tickets unfortunately

If you’re still online, I highly suggest logging off

[ember token]

even ignoring that photos can be faked, it's not about if you have proof, it's about if they're restoring any items period

they "can't" selective restore items

it's everybody or nobody

[small anvil]

They won't do anything that requires tons of man hours

[ember token]

and if they decide that everyone isn't viable, then it's nobody

[small anvil]

They do uim cuz it's literally 10s of thousands of hours of progress and the population is tiny

But for a regular iron, there's no shot they'll individually restore it I'm afraid

[blissful owl]

So ur saying I'm going to have to go 6 more months to get these back 😞😓

[tacit wharf]

go grab bloodmoon legs

[ember token]

possibly, or you might get it again right away when you go back to gwd

[small anvil]

It's freaking awful but I'm afraid that's the likely thing to happen madden

[wooden socket]

you may get them 10kc after they reset servers or go for bloodmoon like above msg says they are equally as good thats what i got on my iron

[blissful owl]

This is just crazy

[chilly meteor]

Two instances in my clan discord of what looks like successful dupes. We are about to see mayhem I think.

[wooden socket]

but chance of you getting items restores is literally 0% btw people are trying to be nice about it but your pictures dont mean anything just means you have proof you got screwed by this issue but thats all that will happen sadly you arent getting them back just the way it is unfortunately

this is game wide for few hours now they arent going to be sifting through every player who got a drop in this time period to restore lost items just isnt feasible it sucks but it is what it is

[small anvil]

Yeah. You're right that I'm sugar coating cuz I don't wanna hurt him more

:/

[lament peak]

ash isn't coming to save us

[blissful owl]

Did anyone in here experience what happened to me or no

U guys loose anything

[dawn jackal]

doubt anyone else lost tassets

[blissful owl]

What a sickening day

[small anvil]

Someone lost an ely

Accidentally anti duped

[blissful owl]

Probably going to cancel my membership after this wow

[small anvil]

Main though, not iron so

[blissful owl]

What's the point of putting in hundreds of hours on an ironman account when u csn just loose items at anytime. This is crazy

[tacit wharf]

lost 2/3s of our GIM storage first go round, shit happens and u move on

[chilly meteor]

Phew

[hardy iris]

rip brother

[lament peak]

[blissful owl]

They just msged me back

[idle rapids]

good one jagex

[blissful owl]

Nothing they can do for me

[chilly meteor]

Damn

[blissful owl]

U guys were right

Canceling my membership as we speak

Its been real guys

[chilly meteor]

Sorry to see you go

[small anvil]

Good luck out there, I'm really sorry that happened to you

[true talon]

thats why when i logged in rev cave after tanking pker, i logged back in with full supplies

thought i was crazy

[blissful owl]

What an experience but I can't just put in hundreds of hours for nothing

[dawn jackal]

weak bloodline

[fringe sun]

They'll be back

[tacit wharf]

they always come back

[blissful owl]

Yeh probably will just take a break for a while

Because this is sickening

Few month break

[tacit wharf]

shit happens my guy

[past plover]

get some oathplate, tassets dead content now

[tacit wharf]

go cool off for a day or so

[slow dove]

A hotfix at this time? Well done, Jagex team. Anyway, I'm going back to lurking. 🙂

[small anvil]

If this was hotfixable

Lol

It's probably a really tiny thing

Guess we'll see what the damage is later

[true talon]

what happened with your tassets?

[chilly meteor]

Was there even a hotfix though?

[small anvil]

Wonder if people duped gp or items more

[small anvil]

It would be server side

[tacit wharf]

got, logged off, logged back in, gone

[blissful owl]

I got the drop. Then went to c wars. Logged out come back

And was back at bandos outside door with nothing

[true talon]

oh lmao

[blissful owl]

They got me good. Been there 6 months

[true talon]

you got rolled back basically

[brazen violet]

People duping shit and jagex not rolling back looooool

[true talon]

which is what happened to me at revs

[blissful owl]

1140kc for nothing

[hallow basin]

i managed to dupe 2 dragon scales, so the implications are quite severe.

[true talon]

bandos is dead content anyways

just go to yama

[chilly meteor]

Assuming they actually did identify the issue instead of quelling panic

[iron dew]

https://tenor.com/view/chit-do-it-lady-you-go-girl-chit-meme-happy-birthday-gif-7905226790082760559

[true talon]

or get bloodmoon

[small anvil]

Yeah I'm kinda uh

Doubtful this is the end of it

[hardy iris]

bloodmoon carries now, no point in bandos tassets other than to break for torva

[small anvil]

The no roll back is crazy though

[hallow musk]

My honest guess is they never expected 200k players online

[small anvil]

Apparently duping actually happened

[hallow musk]

Something about 199999 was the max savable

[tacit wharf]

200k players, 50k of which are bots

[brazen violet]

Many dupes happened

[hallow musk]

And so every 200k+ person logging out didn't grt written

That would be easy hotfixable

[chilly meteor]

200k is a weird number to overflow at

[brazen violet]

People would die in the wilderness and log out just to log back in and find their acc with the gear they died with on them still

[blissful owl]

How many people lost items u think like me

[delicate glen]

Apologies for anyone affected by the issue, we'll be having further conversations in the morning around the whole situation.

[hallow musk]

Yeah it s A bad guess

[hallow musk]

Do you think it's safe to continue playing now?

[small anvil]

Poor madden

[brazen violet]

You gonna roll back after 12hours?

[true talon]

did you guys actually hit the cap of actual players lol

[delicate glen]

It should be, yes

[brazen violet]

Dupes happened, consider that

[blissful owl]

Mod sarnie can you please check into my tassets lost. Spent 6 months getting then

[hallow musk]

Thank you for your time. Have a good night

[small anvil]

Do you have any actual numbers on damage assessment? Dupes were reportedly happening

[plain tendon]

i lost 3rd age pls give back

[chilly meteor]

Good night sir🫡

[small anvil]

Or is it just hoping it's enough

[slow dove]

No worries! I'm amazed you guys are up this late on a Sunday (or early Monday) and able to fix stuff. Keep up the great work, guys. Have a nice evening. 🙂

[true talon]

people got rolled back tbows. i dont think you need to worry about tassets brother

[delicate glen]

Callout process be good 🙂

[hallow basin]

I get it but I managed to reproduce a dupe, idk how this is not treated as a much more severe event

[small anvil]

Inb4 banned

[brazen violet]

Gg

[abstract agate]

Meh just drop it if it bothers you

[hallow basin]

it was two blue dragon scales lmao

[ember token]

the emergency klaxon light over Sarnie's bed started going off and he was up in a flash

[small anvil]

Like the whole no roll back promise seems kinda premature lol

[blissful owl]

I went to bandos got tasset drop logged to go to bathroom come back and they gone.