game-update

[true talon]

"being able to make 100k a year makes life easy"
"driving a car is easy over riding a bicycle"
ECT just terrible arguments used to stop progression

[tawny tide]

I’m not riding a bike to work

Nvm I see what you’re saying lol

[ionic tartan]

2007scape that never changed is nostalgia bait imo. We had 2007scape without updates (except NMZ), and it was dying fast with numbers lower than rs3 today.

[tawny tide]

Yeah I would never play it

[true talon]

Classic wow is a good example, they tried to take on the osrs model but then they just re-released every update as is with no changes. and it didnt make much headway lol.

OSRS is nothing like runescape 2007, it shares its name and graphics and nothing else.

[tawny tide]

But it would allow osrs to build in more directions with all the people that bitch being able to told “we have this product for you and therefore osrs no longer caters to you at all”

[vivid ruin]

Not always

[tawny tide]

100%

[vivid ruin]

But i agree

[tawny tide]

It’s wild to me that the price diff between cut and uncut gems is negligible these days

Saw wild I said it twice

I remember back in the day the unprocessed version was way more expensive

12 yr old mean thought it was such bullshit

[oblique mesa]

Huh they are like 25% more expensive for the uncut

[true talon]

I speak as someone whose been here before make X existed, you used a log on the knife and then the bow on the string, you used a single lobster on a fire. back when 85 slayer was prestegious and very few people had it, because the shear ammount of time to get it was like 6 months lol.

[tawny tide]

Wut emerald is 401 and uncut is 433

[oblique mesa]

Uncut dragonstones are almost 50% more expensive than the cut version

[true talon]

dstone would be, because its good exp

[tawny tide]

Okay buddy I am not talking about dstones

[oblique mesa]

uncut ruby is 1k, cut ruby is 800

[tawny tide]

I’m talking about what 12 year old me understood

[oblique mesa]

cut diamond is 1.6k uncut is 2.2k lol

[tawny tide]

Okay fine Nevermind forget the whole point

I looked up emeralds lol

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-son-of-abitch-upset-gif-4276606

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/son-of-a-bitch-chris-farley-saturday-night-live-god-damn-it-aw-come-one-gif-18069882

[true talon]

You don fucked up AARON

[hard axle]

Yeah, there’s absolutely a middle ground that you need to maintain or you repeat WOW’s bullshit where the new items replace the old ones every release and make it super easy to do so.

Gear replacement every big patch is bullshit and should always take into account the gear prior to the release, as people hate it when their gear gets devalued.

Like, some MMOs are just awful at this

[true talon]

I agree with this and thats why attachment scape is king

[hard axle]

You take a week off during release?

Fuck everyone's done

Now I have to solo 1+7 Dungeons of Your Mom

[true talon]

However some stuff does need to be invalidated eventually

like normal whip/tent whip is rarely relevent now (mostly pk wep)

[vivid ruin]

Naturally, it will happen. So long as a majority of the players are already maxed, and even some are maxed 3x over

But it definitely needs control

[tawny tide]

This hurts my feelings

All I have is whip 😔

[hard axle]

It genuinely makes all game modes happy, which is a good middle ground, because the new gear is useable on drop, it's more common than a 1/5k DWH drop since you don't need to balance aggressively as it sinks prior bis, AND you sink prior BIS so the prices don't drop (look at Arma).

[austere mulch]

It’s also probably 1 or 2 steps shy of impossible to play decades in advance for releases without either expanding the level cap or leaving the top end of the funnel empty for many years.

And if they are to go back and retroactively lower some of the requirements, e.g reduce fury to 70 and glory to 50, that doesn’t come without consequence

[true talon]

I dont think it comes with many consquences. like what would happen if fury was 70 crafting?

[hard axle]

I can make it even more expensive.

Dragonstone Diamond Necklace - When you go below 30% HP, necklace heals you 40 and consumes itself.

Basically, an upgrade pneck that consumes both resources and would be brutally good in some situations.

[true talon]

mains buy the items, irons craft them.

[austere mulch]

It sets a precedence that level requirements are fluid with new releases and invalidates, to an extent, past progression. The lesser of the two evils is increasing the level cap

Because that’s of the approach that “new thing is better than old thing and naturally requires more skill”

Rather than “new thing is better than old thing so requires the skill of old thing and now old thing requires less skill”

Eventually you get to torture being 40 crafting

[tawny tide]

Increasing the level cap is just not possible

99s in RuneScape is RuneScape.

[true talon]

I mean thats fine, if torture was 40 crafting that would not change a single thing.

you know skilling does not matter at all in runescape long as the finished product is tradeable right?

[tawny tide]

Nobody new is going to show up and be like, “wait why was this glory easier to make”

[vivid ruin]

Next melee ammy upgrade should require 3 rancors to craft

[ember token]

reminds me that RS3 added platinum jewelry recently that uses dragonstones

[vivid ruin]

[austere mulch]

Well, it is lol

[tawny tide]

Nobody would ever vote for it

[austere mulch]

Wether it’s preferred is a different discussion

[true talon]

Like if you can make a torture at 40 crafting, as an iron youd still need a onyx and a zenyte, however a main will just buy a finished product lol.

[hard axle]

I'm on the fence about Crafting, but Smithing absolutely should not be pushed down.

It is fundamentally worthless and doesn't solve shit, and in fact, arguably wastes more time.

Just look at what they did for RS3. My RS3 knowledge is limited as fuck, but it seems like they replaced it basically 1:1 with Elder Rune and new craftable ores.

I'd geniunely rather we just make all melee gear some form of smithing, like BCP and Blood Moon need some form of smithing requirement, which adds progression in a different way.

[austere mulch]

I think it’s inevitable we get to a point where 120 in skilling stats is the preferred path

[hard axle]

Pushing down level requirements solves nothing because you result in a gap at the level you pushed it down from and the time spent for visual appeal doesn't justify it.

They spent 2+ years on RS3 smithing rework and I highly doubt it's that valuable in hindsight.

[tawny tide]

Use furs to make degradable armor less degradable

[austere mulch]

If trying to shoehorn progression via level requirements

[true talon]

I mean if they go with 120 in skilling, they have to drastically increase the exp methods

which invalidates everything below 99 anyways

[hard axle]

Again, if you push Fury down to 40, what are you doing about the 80-99 gap?

[tawny tide]

Yeah I think you stay inside 99

[austere mulch]

Would expect new methods for 99+ would be made, of course

[tawny tide]

Making something new and better

[austere mulch]

Which doesn’t invalidate s99

[hard axle]

And you can do that without pushing it down.

Did we have to push down Runite Armor for Torva?

Did we have to push down Dhide for Masori (f)?

Did we have to push down Fury/Torture for Rancour?

[austere mulch]

Also what happens when you end up with a new progression item at literally every level

[hard axle]

The answer is all no.

[true talon]

make way for new releases. they cant do anything with skilling due to this level cap at the high end to produce basically medicore or mid game items lol.

[austere mulch]

Or if fury becomes 40 and rancour becomes 50. From a combat perspective, the progression between the two is vastly larger than the difference of 40 to 50 crafting

[tawny tide]

Probably should have

[austere mulch]

So it has to be sensible on that end to

[hard axle]

They have plenty of space. They just fear adding any requirements that super casuals will cry about and you know this.

[true talon]

No instead they pushed down rancour to below torture lol

[austere mulch]

Except it requires torture, so technically they didn’t

🤣

[tawny tide]

Rancour should be 95 and torture should be like 90

[hard axle]

The answer is literally no then. It's not necessary and basically just a visual preference

[true talon]

yes but this only matters to ironmen

[tawny tide]

Were you just not here for how they ended up at that point?

[hard axle]

Fundamentally, what is the benefit of replacing Gold with Gold 2.0 just because Gold 2.0 is 80 Smithing req instead?

[tawny tide]

I totally forgot there’s non-irons in here lol

[hard axle]

Same for Rune for Rune 2.0?

[tawny tide]

Two crazy different perspectives when it comes to crafting

[hard axle]

Mass craftable gear will NEVER be bis. I hope you guys realize this.

[tawny tide]

Or anything else

[austere mulch]

No, I was not. But regardless, thats still a roundabout way to go about it

[vivid ruin]

Also, as gear progresses. They need to add content that really makes use of that gear. Id argue currently torva isnt required anywhere

[hard axle]

Dhide got shot down because it was too good.

[frail nebula]

it was some really weird reasoning tbh

[tawny tide]

Explains a lot then.

[austere mulch]

Strange POV. My iron had 99 crafting well before I deironed bc accomplished my goals on the acc

[true talon]

its required to remove 60k blood runes from the game to recolor it and then go stab stuff using fang XD

[tacit wharf]

sorry spooned teh moxi pet, so we cant trade it

[true talon]

Point is the entire skilling tree/progression is seated in what was good in the past, it doesnt have much flexibility.

[austere mulch]

But yes, if item A requires 98 crafting to make, and item C requires item A and B to be made, than the net requirement for item C is the highest off the 3

[tawny tide]

Aight

[austere mulch]

Which in the case of torture/rancour, would be 98 crafting

[true talon]

and on a main the crafting requirement to get a rancour is 1

[hard axle]

Rancour's "strange" requirement was so mains could sell the untradeable Fang without having to get 95 Crafting and frankly, it would've been fucking better.

to be 95 crafting

[frail nebula]

what do you have against moxi lol

[austere mulch]

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Rancour is not untradeable

Neither is torture

[hard axle]

Like, just another Jagex example of them being terrified to make requirements too high that the average playerbase would complain.

[frail nebula]

93/98 crafting but yeah

[austere mulch]

It still requires someone with 98 crafting to bring a rancour into the economy, because the torture has to come first

[true talon]

Skilling requirements will continue to be useless untill the final product is consumed or not tradeable

[austere mulch]

GIM requirement for rancour is 1 crafting too

🤣🤣

[true talon]

GIM are just mains with extra steps

[frail nebula]

the scorching bow is another instance of a strange requirement actually

[hard axle]

Legitimately, shift Araxyte Fang's crafting req to 98 and we solve the same progression shit people seem to be complaining about.

[frail nebula]

albeit one that they've since addressed

[hard axle]

It's still progression

[tawny tide]

😡

[frail nebula]

since it requires only 74 fletching, but a magic longbow requires 85

[austere mulch]

Rancour is irreversible so it does technically take torture out of the economy

[true talon]

which is good

[austere mulch]

But agreed, untradeable is fine for bis imo

[true talon]

avernic cant be recovered

[frail nebula]

cue a bunch of people's +5 stew boost running out between making the torture and the rancour

[hard axle]

Same logic irl. It's easier to attach something existing on than making it from scratch.

If you asked me if it was easier to make a vase from scratch or tape on a sticker to an existing vase, the latter is much easier.

[true talon]

i think there is a few other bis items

[tawny tide]

At least TMs drop it at 1/228

🙄

[frail nebula]

1/275 iirc

[tawny tide]

SORRY

[frail nebula]

I know all the TD item drop rates by heart at this point :(

I've been there too long

[austere mulch]

blowpipe sitting awkwardly at 78

[tawny tide]

I got that drop twice and was like “why is that even there” and let it despawn

[frail nebula]

and it used to be like 50 something lol

[tawny tide]

Then I found out lol

[frail nebula]

yeah it wasn't originally on the table until people pointed out that the only way to get an unstrung magic longbow was to make one

[austere mulch]

Yeah it was 53 when I had my iron

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[frail nebula]

with a fletching level 11 higher than the scorching bow

[chrome lantern]

But is it easier to put spun flax onto an existing bow or fashion a demonic synapse into a bowstring on that same bow

[tawny tide]

Dumbest

[hard axle]

But yeah, the folks complaining about the common craftables being too high are being short sighted as fuck since you'll have to replace the common production byproducts or people complain about the gap, which involves adding more craftables and typically higher XP/hr on top of that

[frail nebula]

I'm also glad they lowered the reqs for huey hide armor

[tawny tide]

But it would def be silly flavor if it was like a yew bow or something

[frail nebula]

they were nonsensical the whole time

[hard axle]

They literally did this for Construction btw

[frail nebula]

and a lot of people gave me shit for pointing that out

[hard axle]

Came out super bare bones

and then they had to gapfill

As an example, you could shift perfect POH pool down to 60, but then people will want something at 90.

[true talon]

angler fish pool

[hard axle]

my point exactly

hear me out

super rare boss untradeable

add to poh pool to 121

[true talon]

Personally i love QOL drops over gear/equipable items

[hard axle]

I still hate how Ferox has basically a pool available at Lv3 outside of specific worlds.

[true talon]

like the scroll from zombie pirates

[frail nebula]

give me the fucking demon spade

[true talon]

or demonic spade

[frail nebula]

I'm salty that got cut

[true talon]

or a faster fletching knife, chisel

literally anything lol

[hard axle]

I swear you were hating on it on release

[true talon]

reagent pouch

[frail nebula]

tbf we literally are getting the fletching knife in less than a week

[hard axle]

buff this please

[true talon]

that might of been due to 1/20k drop rate lmfao

[hard axle]

400 secondaries in a pouch

[frail nebula]

20k secondaries

[tawny tide]

Infinite of any secondary

[hard axle]

u ever heard of limitations

[true talon]

I think its fine as is, if you setup your menu entry swaps its really good.

if it was 400 then it be kinda busted for gathering 2ndaries

[hard axle]

[true talon]

not that its a bad thing

[hard axle]

I think we should add a percent chance where the bow (u) snaps and then you take 99 damage.

cuz stringing a bow to the point it is taut is actually kinda hard

[chrome lantern]

But not if you use a synapse

xd

[hard axle]

Yeah, talking about flax/bow string

[chrome lantern]

Ye

Instantly perishes while stringing lvl 5 shortbow

[hard axle]

Still think they should let you fuse Torva/Oathplate to make the Masori of Melee Gear. Slap on 92 Smithing Requirement as needed.

[chrome lantern]

98 or bust

[true talon]

would torvaplate even be busted, it just be torva with slash accuracy

[chrome lantern]

Then next tier at 103

[hard axle]

No it wouldn't

Melee gear is routinely and inherently

weaker than range/mage

You know this

[sacred oracle]

i think it would be

but i support it

[chrome lantern]

Torquisiplate when

[true talon]

Combine torva + oathplate
Combine justicar + inquistor
Combine new stab armor + dunno

[hard axle]

Torva + Inq fusion would be cool

I think Justi is fine by itself, but it should have Bandos-tier stats

[sacred oracle]

torvainquisiarplate

[chrome lantern]

Sure maybe when they keep going and make inquis 50% more common again xd

[true talon]

Dont support torva inquis and torva oath XD

[chrome lantern]

I do think they still haven't gone far enough on nightmare tbh

Especially orbs

[hard axle]

Justi's passive not working on 90% of new mechanics since 2018 is why its shit.

[true talon]

mainly because id have to go get another set of torva XD

[hard axle]

If Justi actually worked as intended, it doesn't actually need a buff

[sacred oracle]

is that true? i didn't know that

i don't know if it's true

[hard axle]

Yes

[sacred oracle]

i don't believe you

[true talon]

defense is also shit in this game

[hard axle]

Verzik Death ball still hits you 75

[sacred oracle]

i won't fall for your lies!!

[hard axle]

[true talon]

even when they add chip damage, they make it so accurate that it dont matter

[chrome lantern]

Only solution is testing

[true talon]

like vard slapping me though 400 slash defense

[sacred oracle]

oh my god vard is fine

if you mention vard chip one more time i'm gonna lose my mind

this is my mind

[chrome lantern]

I mean that totally rolls on your defense so that's not really an issue

[sacred oracle]

see it

i'm losing it

🧠 <- being lost right now bro

it's now gone

see what you did

[minor whale]

Are you fucking serious Jagex lmao

[true talon]

This jebait news all week is criminal

[still sundial]

get baited again

[minor whale]

Another one

I'm losing it lmao

[hard axle]

I swear to god

They're trying to make people hate Sailing

so they can cancel it

[true talon]

why am i even exicted for slayer blog, im 99 with 10k points and all unlocks including heart 😦

[elfin oyster]

every day they @ game news

yet never is it slayer blog

[true talon]

they dont need to do this, its already hated and i dont think anyone would bat an eye if it was canceled, besides the people who worked hard on it XD

[minor whale]

Legitimately I love sailing but when people are chomping at the bit for the 2nd sweep up blog since the first one dropped and we were told Monday, then "still this week just a little later" and now it's gonna be Friday at the earliest

Extremely bad optics lmao

[sacred oracle]

1. it's champing at the bit

sorry i couldn't help myself

it's a personal problem

[hard axle]

This is why you don't say shit until it's basically ready to go live at any time

[minor whale]

I'm going to champ at your bit

[sacred oracle]

[elfin oyster]

chomping

[sacred oracle]

2. what are the slayer stuff we're waiting on, i actually don't know

[elfin oyster]

nobody does

[sacred oracle]

could be anything

anything~!

[true talon]

Way to interrupt my addy bar crafting with fake news.
Thanks whoever added addy ore to every dt2 boss 🙂

[hard axle]

Please individual block lists

[minor whale]

The original small list was just a teaser of stuff they said they'd look into, but it was a lot of really nice stuff

[sacred oracle]

you mean per slayer master?

[hard axle]

Yes, this would actually be QOL and still require you to spend slayer points.

[sacred oracle]

that would be neat

[hard axle]

I've reshuffled my block list like 20+ times

[minor whale]

Reworking blocking system, wildy and inferno tasks, changing unlock values and how unlocks work, etc

[true talon]

def wildy blocklist vs normal list and storable wildy tasks

[sacred oracle]

i would settle for even just having a separate block list for wildy master than the rest

[still sundial]

the one thing we know of is grouping up certain slayer monsters into 1 task (metallic dragons and giants)

[minor whale]

Yeah and that

[true talon]

i have zuk task in storage i cant even access, because i have spiders in wildy

[sacred oracle]

there's so much room for improvement in slayer

as i've monologued about often, i do not like slayer

and i think it's a tremendous wasted opportunity

[minor whale]

I love slayer but it is by far the most convoluted skill

[sacred oracle]

there's so much it could be, and instead it's "kill stuff wearing a funny hat"

[small anvil]

I liked slayer but haven't felt good about going back after 99

[true talon]

this would improve a lot of slayer issues, if they generalize the tasks.

Demons? go kill whatever you want

[still sundial]

they got memed on for a while for catering too many updates towards Slayer, but it honestly needs it

[sacred oracle]

okay i'm gonna get a bucket of chicken

[tacit wharf]

tureal no longer allows you to skip tasks from other masters

[sacred oracle]

no one get muted while i'm gone

[minor whale]

Definitely did some damage to the game to be like "hehe if you want to do 15% more damage to everything you kill you've got to kill 3000 spiders first :3"

Either that did damage or boss tasks in general did damage

[true talon]

Slayer helm needs to be retired. causes way to many problems with set bonuses and other issues.

[minor whale]

Either boss tasks should just give XP bonus and not the damage boost, or they shouldn't exist (outside of slayer only bosses, those are fine)

[true talon]

they can make it so you use a black mask I on slayer master after unlocking the perk as to keep the mask relevent

[ember token]

boss tasks need to not give the damage boost, problem solved

[true talon]

then whats the point of doing them?

[minor whale]

XP, drops
If they boosted the XP each one gave to where it's a really good task to efficiently kill bosses

[ember token]

xp

[minor whale]

Then it'd be much more reasonable

[hard axle]

I've seen people wanting a direct boost by making it an ammo slot and I think there should be some tradeoff.

It's like asking for expeditious/slaughter without sacrificing glove increase or the tediousness of flicking it.

[true talon]

no1 is doing bosses for xp, get real lol

[hard axle]

They could be if it wasn't atrocious.

Zebak had a 11x multiplier

multipliers have gotten unhinged as fuck

[true talon]

youd need a task, getting no damage bonus and only xp??

so youd go though the trouble of getting a task for the boss to get the xp lol

[hard axle]

currently you get like a 5k xp drop at the end of a boss task

imagine if it was 50k for 3 kills

[minor whale]

Well you wouldn't be skipping for boss tasks is the point

It'd be a thing you get, and if you do it you get XP boost

[hard axle]

I WILL skip for the 1/1000 zulrah task and you can't stop me

[true talon]

only reason id go do 60 muspah or some other greenlogged boss, is for the slayer helm damage boost lol

[still sundial]

would it be annoying if it was something like, kill boss on task 300 times and you unlock permanent 7.5% damage and accuracy boost

for that boss specifically

[minor whale]

But if you were not 99 slayer and 60 Muspah gave you ehp rates and still was good money, people would absolutely do them

[true talon]

def need more customizable perks from slayer

unlock additional damage on task to demons or dragons ect

[hard axle]

At that point, I'd rather it be an ammo slot and 10% dps increase

[true talon]

heal x prayer/health after kill of x monster

[minor whale]

Blocks should be something you do before getting a task tbh

[true talon]

really they not reaching deep enough on design of slayer perks

[minor whale]

Cheaper, but have to be blocked before the task rolls

[hard axle]

I think 3 free blocks and 5 free skips at the start would be perfect.

for newbies

[minor whale]

Yup

[hard axle]

that is a buff that I would support

[minor whale]

Early slayer is abysmal

[hard axle]

that's 450 slayer points btw

[minor whale]

In a "nobody enjoys this" way

[hard axle]

you can tie this into the turael daughter quest

from 30 slayer points to 450

[true talon]

Like slayer points and perks should improve slayer, but they really dont

its an unexplored power system

[hard axle]

nah, extensions absolutely do

[shadow wave]

And 150 QP

[hard axle]

If you want a secondary one-time extension, then that's fine

30 slayer points to increase task another 50%

[shadow wave]

Would you delay another slot to 200 or add three to the current count?

[hard axle]

I would love this ngl

[hard axle]

indifferent

[minor whale]

I don't think we need more blocks but having them ramped earlier is good

The worst part of slayer is before you get your blocks in

[true talon]

We need a salve ammulet also

a new one

[minor whale]

Salve is something I'm fine with still not interacting together with other boosts, since it'd be absolutely absurd

[wise hound]

A salve amulet w/ slayer helm would be broken

[minor whale]

Hopefully eternal slaughter/expeditious is gonna be proposed

[true talon]

i didnt say that

i said a new salve ammulet, prob one with stats

like how avarice is

[hard axle]

Salve is just as problematic.

You know that the moment they release bane gear, they tend to stop releasing monsters of that type?

Dragonbane and Undead is a core example of this

[ember token]

i can see that happening in the future but not from the sweep-up

[hard axle]

I imagine Demonbane will stop soon after Delve

[true talon]

we havnt had a undead monster since undead pirates/bloat

[gentle badge]

True. Barronite mace dropped and we haven't seen a single golem since.

[hard axle]

Jeez, I wonder why? Maybe it's because a free 20% boost in DPS is atrocious to balance around

[shadow wave]

Rat bane weapons and not a single rat 😦

[true talon]

i was kinda mad those weps arent usable on anything not rats lol

since they have 50 requirements and stats like msb

[wise hound]

Most "golems" are high level quest monsters

[gentle badge]

Not sure I'd call them high level

Where my golem enemies?

[ember token]

well yeah no surprise they're gonna hold back on the demons after releasing 2 demon bosses in a row

[hasty shard]

i wish yama counted for greater demon tasks but had the helm disabled tbh

[hard axle]

We havent' gotten a dragon unlock since Hydra, no?

same shit

oh wait no

Huey

It was an afterthought

[hasty shard]

i mean im already 99 slayer but idk i wish tasks actually worked at things like zebak the crocodile

[hard axle]

I'm still mad Huey isn't a Wyrm

[gentle badge]

We had to fight for Huey to count as draconic lmao

[hasty shard]

its obvious slayer helm is the issue and not the task itself

[hard axle]

slayer helm 15% makes the task worth doing

[wise hound]

here https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Golem_(attribute)

[chrome lantern]

Yeah those are all mega weak

[wise hound]

the barronite mace has roughly the same stats as a rune scim

[chrome lantern]

Yeah awful

[ember token]

its a f2p weapon

[tacit wharf]

ya isnt it bis f2p weapon

[chrome lantern]

Bis against golems

Otherwise no, rune scim

[gentle badge]

I meant new ones lmao.

[frail nebula]

Is the summer sweep up p2 blog still due this week?

[chrome lantern]

Real question though, why do we even need to have this Sailing icon/cape contest I thought we already had one lmao

[tacit wharf]

cuz they want it community made

[shadow wave]

It was going to have slightly higher stats but then F2P pkers complained or something

[ember token]

actually it was probably f2p irons complaining because itd be easier than smithing a rune scimitar

[wise hound]

what they should do is add more golem enemies, and allow us to make it into a flail with better stats

[ember token]

or they could just do nothing because it doesn't need to be a bis weapon

[wise hound]

because right now bis has to be extremely rare and expensive gear. (exception is keris partisan)

[frail nebula]

They actually did add a new golem enemy recently

A quest boss in Curse of Arrav

And I believe the barronite mace worked there

[still sundial]

In DT2 there was one

[frail nebula]

ah yeah, at the start

[vivid ruin]

I wish they'd add more monsters to the game and stop adding alts to what is there. Theres a lot of bosses that are "the last of their kind" that doesnt have to be

[austere mulch]

Every time I see a ping this week, I think it’s sweep up pt 2

[austere mulch]

Actually curios how they’ll handle delve bc it’s original design is crush weakness, which still seems to be the case with them reiterating on the demonbane question that it’s an insect

So I’m wondering if they’ll be able to strike a balance where max crush is bis with demonbane being a close second

Similar to Cerb**

[wise hound]

Oh great Inquisitor's is gonna spike

[obsidian venture]

Well it depends if it’s still weak to crush. They were going to create a demonbane crush weapon for this boss but that was scrapped

Wonder if demonbane would also be bis over megas again

[austere mulch]

Maybe they shifted to a different typing for weakness

Like, crush + standard ranged

[heavy marsh]

well if its a demon insect with high slash defence, emberlight may not be very good

[austere mulch]

Be weird to get another mage/melee boss

[tawny tide]

They really gotta stop doing announcements until SSU2

[austere mulch]

Because like

[minor whale]

Welp we don't have to worry about anymore pings today since now it's 5pm :))))

[austere mulch]

The actual delve thing itself is an insect, historically weak to crush. And also has a big door that sits in front of it, which makes sense to crush because you can’t really poke a door down

[hasty shard]

*crush tank demonbane

[minor whale]

Jebaited by pings for a whole week hoping for ssu2 lmao

[wise hound]

Great all hail the blue moon bis

[austere mulch]

That everyone was supposedly asking for 🤣

[vivid ruin]

Emberlight stab at TD's

[frail nebula]

Emberlight is indeed also very good on stab

I wonder if the bludgeon will be good at the delve boss

[tender harness]

hear me out, avernic treads drop but only one boot at a time. and you need both to make avernic treads

[olive remnant]

The boss first drops 1 leather boot pair, then 2, and on the third you get the treads

[true talon]

its prob gonna be a melee/mage boss like yama. i heard its tri-brid though. so its waits to be seen. tribrid makes sense considering its boot drop.

[hard axle]

That’s what you think

[gentle badge]

Tecu Salamander bis

[hard axle]

have another ping @minor whale

[minor whale]

[austere mulch]

Arcane said they prefer to leave tribrid content to raids and anything else be primarily single style or hybrid, so who knows

Not sure how involved he is on this project anywyas

[hard axle]

Another L for boss design to outright gut it ngl.

But if it’s like Infenro or Colo, likely all three styles or minimum 2.

[obsidian venture]

“ Endgame”

[shadow wave]

I think Magic will almost certainly be one of the two styles

Ranged has been underutilised lately, I think Range/Mage could be interesting

There isn't really much ranged/mage content

[tacit wharf]

making people not be able to switch between their scobow and purging with 1 synapse

[kind sail]

when they had to scrap a crush demonbane weapon

im going to go out on a limb and say its weak to crush

[earnest marsh]

I'm going to say stab

[tender harness]

going to laugh if boss is tribrid, but has a duke meme with demonbane so weapons are unironically worse than shadow. and is more weak to crush

[kind sail]

well like it was supposed to come out before yama

before all of the shadow scythe talk with yama

so i really do think itll be a scythe/shadow boss

i sincerely doubt they would change it from crush after scrapping that demonbane crush hammer

[tender harness]

scythe shadow boss but if you have shadow for more than 5 ticks equipped it force drops your shadow

[tacit wharf]

they wanted an upgraded demonbane crush weapon, just drop somethign that gives bludgeon do more dmg to demons

[kind sail]

which likely points to it being a crush boss

which tbf probably makes the most sense anyway regardless of that

looking at the boss design, what crush bosses have come out over the last few years (literally 1), it would make sense

[tacit wharf]

though demon insect, would point to stab (insect weakness)

[kind sail]

im thinking crush for demon face phase, and shadow rest

why would stab make more sense on an insect than crush...?

[tacit wharf]

havent insects historically been weak to stab?

[kind sail]

you mean the single stab insect kephri?

every other insect like boss has been weak to crush lol

[tacit wharf]

ahh k

[kind sail]

kq, all of the spider bosses, etc

weak to crush

[celest sail]

Verzik is totally weak to crush

[kind sail]

wouldnt be opposed to it but they need to buff stab before releasing close to end game stab content imo

[celest sail]

Pog

[kind sail]

raid bosses are kind of the exception since theyre weak to the style of the raid itself

[celest sail]

Just hope they don’t run out of ideas lol

[kind sail]

tob is all slash, toa is all stab, etc

[sacred oracle]

and what's cox?

[kind sail]

well most of the melee you do is crush related

not fully but its also a 9 year old raid so i doubt they had that sort of vision back then

[true talon]

Arraxor, huey

[kind sail]

yeah I missed huey

huey weird though, not really a traditional boss

i mean tbf neither will delve

but I reaally do believe it will be a crush boss at this point

[true talon]

Huey is kinda fun to fight in max gear and stats. even if its a 6 minute kill. his mechanics (besides the dogshit tail) is really good for entry lvl.

The tail shoulda been gutted and huey woulda been better

His wave skip mechanic teaches you how to use pathing to avoid stuff like that

[tacit wharf]

i dont regret my huey grind at all, and found most of the mechanic's fine, tail phase was a little long

[true talon]

yea i did 130 solo kills, tail is just ballsack rest of the fight is good

[sacred skiff]

The tail is a tail. I don’t think you’d have to hit the ballsack as many times to break Huey’s concentration

[icy relic]

the tail wave is awful and it doesn't really teach any translatable skills

yama has its own timing/patterns and toa wave skips are different

plus it blends in to the snow

and visually does not look like something that hits you for 25 damage

[hard axle]

It’s actually very similar. If you dodge diagonally, it’s 2 tiles away. If it’s vertically or horizontally, it’s visually 3 tiles away.

[frail nebula]

didn't they say the delve boss is very specifically not like inferno or colo

or did you mean in general

[hard axle]

In general

Yama uses 3 styles, Colo uses 3 (technically could skim with 2), Inferno uses 2 (can skim with 1)

Cuz the problem with a boss or any high level content with only having 1 style is that you either have to make it a dodge fest, or it’s high chip damage.

[frail nebula]

3 styles at yama?

melee and magic yeah, but where are you using ranged?

or do you mean the boss attacks with all styles

[ember token]

there's a ranged strat at one of the contracts using the scobow to stun yama

but i wouldnt really count that

[hard axle]

oh no, its just 2

my dumbass started counting yama's attack styles

[frail nebula]

there also was a strat using enchanted bolts iirc

on one of the contracts

[true talon]

not anymore there isnt lol

That strat got bodied so fast by jamfle

[tawny tide]

If blog doesn’t drop tomorrow we riot no?

[thick beacon]

we have massive update like 5days from now give them some slack

[fossil epoch]

its gonna drop today surely

Mod Sarnie said this week, and how can we expect them to work during the weekend

[meager flame]

In some ways its kinda too late

[fossil epoch]

lol what?

[meager flame]

5 days from big update means 5 days until they get no feedback on it or discussion centered on their adjustments to anything that isn't varlamore

[fossil epoch]

Its 2 different teams?

[meager flame]

Yeah but one player base

[fossil epoch]

Its not the same people working on those 2 projects

Releasing it today and the community is gonna speak their mind about everything they dont like when the weekend is over

they are probably gonna speak their mind 5 minutes into the blog post

[meager flame]

Its about to be 2 to 3 weeks of people hijacking every discussion to talk about the delve boss and its ratea

Rates*

Among all of the other content releases

[fossil epoch]

Summer Sweep up are also not pollable stuff, its not "what does the community want" its forced updates

[meager flame]

Yeah but imagine if they didn't respond to feedback on any of the other controversial sweep up like topics

They dont poll but they do adjust their plans

They messed up not releasing it earlier

To get unobstructed feedback/discussion

[fossil epoch]

But they will? again its 2 different teams, there will be a lot of feedback, and whatever jagex is willing to change could see a change, the updates are probably almost already done, like with summer sweepup p1, so not much will see change regardless

[meager flame]

Today is also a tragic time to drop a blog anyways

[fossil epoch]

before the weekend seems like a perfect time?
Whats happening today?

[meager flame]

Here's the blog now I'm clocking out

I know I wouldnt be checking tomorrow lol

[fossil epoch]

I think way more people have time to look at a blog this size during the weekend

But fair enough if you cant

[meager flame]

I mean the people employed to gather feedback

All that will happen is they work overtime, they get lucky and nobody has feedback for them anyways that matters

[fossil epoch]

Yeh? they get to gather feedback from more than just the people always on, if they let it settle over the weekend?

[meager flame]

Or they come back Monday to dispel whatever insane narrative creeped in over the weekend

[fossil epoch]

also most of the jagex employees also will see feedback during the weekend, as many of them are runescape enjoyers themselves

[meager flame]

As everyone hyper focuses on one thing all weekend

[fossil epoch]

Mod goblin seen multiple times in the Guzu stream doing his days off

[meager flame]

I think they should just drop blogs on Mondays and enjoy their weekends personally

its the same kinda demonic shit they did to release yama contracts

had people working overtime to try and fix stuff

self created problems when they should just be at home

[fossil epoch]

drop them on fridays, and let people have time to read them, and start gathering real feedback on monday, after the dust have settled

It quite often happen that people react strongly (both possitive and negative) initially, and then when they settle down and think about it, their mind changes

[meager flame]

its kinda important to be there connected to the blog and discussion though otherwise people might just fixate on one thing

[dire mango]

Anything that prevents jagex from making knee-jerk reactions from rushed feedback is good tbh

[meager flame]

someone has to clear up confusion and make sure things are actually productive

if you just peace out for 2 days that probably wont happen

it kinda depends on what kind of blog it really is

like if this were the sailing content round 1 blog we recently saw

they could just schedule that to go live anytime nobody was going to really care at the end of the day

if its like when they changed all of the magic gear and people freaked out

they probably need like two weeks lmao

[dire mango]

They will have time. The first round of sweep up changes were good so if the same team is working on pt2 we can hope it'll have the same quality.

[meager flame]

im sorta worried they're kinda scheduling them out based on how controversial they will end up being

thats basically what will happen with the sailing blogs

like if you read through what we got in the first one it was obviously all of the easy stuff nobody would care about to move that out of the way first

im pretty sure they have a good idea though of how big of a deal things will be

and wouldn't just mix something insane in with also releasing varlamore part 3 creating some crazy everyone is mad about everything type of situation

assuming the delve etc doesn't go off perfectly

but yeah if they dont do the blog today

i expect it to be pretty spicy lol

[dire mango]

Think you're reading too much into it. If they actually planned stuff in that way then you'd see it couple with stuff like membership pricing and other things that are guaranteed to be recieved negatively.

[thick beacon]

was gona say it was prob to ambitous for them to do yama summer sweep and mokha in 5seconds but thats kinda schedule they set on roadmap

im suprised they even got any of the summer sweep up in before mokha

[meager flame]

nah they wouldn't do anything like that for the membership stuff

that's actually also exactly the opposite of what i was saying

im saying they're likely to space things out that they expect to be rough

and less likely to drop something massively controversial a few days before they release their biggest update of the year to this point

which might also go horribly wrong

they won't even put their own names on the membership type of stuff or anything from the higher ups

they post it with a different account and everything

which is smart i wouldn't put my name on some bs like that either but

[dire mango]

They've said july. Would be weird to publish it after delve with how long they've waited already. But who knows.

[meager flame]

you can tell jagex has a whole different protocol when it comes to the really radioactive stuff like that membership survey

[dire mango]

Jagex and delays go hand in hand

[thick beacon]

summer sweep is kinda no joke though its not the type of update i want them force in due hitting their projected goal

would much rather they take feedback then force changes quickly

i also didint expect summer sweep up to be as massive of a thing as it was

[winter hearth]

Is an approach that also works, but typically the 'core' of the feedback forms very quickly following a blog release

[fossil epoch]

Could you not still collect the core feedback form the initial drop on monday, from a blog posted on Friday?

Or would that be too big a risk in players forming mobs in the meantime?

[winter hearth]

You can, but direct engagement to pull out what people 'really' mean sometimes is super important

And you do risk misunderstandings spiralling way out of control etc.

[torpid delta]

the blog is real holy moly

[fossil epoch]

Fair

[shadow flare]

It says you can hit dawn with the granite hammer, im sure thats an oversight right

as only halberds can melee her

[fossil epoch]

Its the finishing hit, not the normal dps hit

[vivid ruin]

That slayer change looks really nice

[still sundial]

omg the sweepup part 2 exists lets go

[hasty shard]

@hard axle you got your wish

[delicate glen]

It lives!

I've taken over from Goblin so will try and answer as much as I can between all the places 😄

[shadow flare]

they're talking about it doing more damage though, finishing the gargoyle off doesn't do damage "This means we'd be giving the Granite Hammer a 30% damage increase against any gargoyle (by giving them the 'golem' tag), including Dusk, Dawn and Superiors"

[still sundial]

block list per slayer master holy moly!

[kind surge]

wait I only read the first paragraph but separate block list per master?

goodness gracious

[still sundial]

that sounds awesome

[kind surge]

oh thank you for letting us block retroactively too

[delicate glen]

I will pass the thanks on to the team ❤️

[plush gull]

so death charge+thralls+demonbane is going to cost an extra inventory slot?

[tough nacelle]

Do you have any idea if alternatives for the imbued heart are in the works for irons? Overall this seems like a great change but I’m wondering if something will be done for the heart grind or is it assumed that the new block lists will aid in that

[hasty shard]

yeah this change is ??

[gentle badge]

Is there a reason the tooth half of moon key isn't being added to other monsters across Varlamore? It's odd that the skilling half is available everywhere, but not the tooth half.

[kind surge]

depends on how many sources we'll have in p3 in 5 days

[livid wing]

I don't see the point in having different point totals for block lists for different slayer masters

[hasty shard]

oh right delve boss would drop them

[livid wing]

I feel like it should just be a standardized cost

[hasty shard]

and you kill it 8 times in succession

[fiery viper]

Think slayer helm recolors should be cheaper once you unlock the initial helmet. Once you’re 99 slayer any slayer master should be able to assign Hydra’s. If you unlock something in the slayer shop and decide to turn it off, you shouldn’t be forced to spend points to unlock it again.

[hard path]

Since rune pouch is coming to MTA how about Bottomless Compost Bucket to tithe farm?

[hasty shard]

the turael buff though hoooly 🔥

[plush gull]

it also nearly doubles thrall gp cost with aethers

[delicate glen]

I'm unsure to the reason why - can raise it if it's something people think should be expanded

[kind surge]

you get much less points from early slayer masters

it's a good change

slayer is notoriously horrible to level especially when you're low combat level

[gentle badge]

Would be nice, thank you!

[kind surge]

so letting people clean up the bad tasks much earlier will be good

[fossil epoch]

Interesting blog, it feels alot smaller in comparison to sweep up part 1

[broken locust]

Please don't change Blood runes to Soul Runes for Thralls.

[livid wing]

yeah but this feels punishing to getting to a higher level

[kind surge]

how so?

[livid wing]

Just having 100 at kuradal seems crazy

[slender linden]

Its tiny. I really expected more changes for more pieces of content tbh.

Wgile we are at it, maybe hammers should thematically have this golem buff? Feels random to only do granite hammer tbh

[livid wing]

100 to block

[kind surge]

I mean that's the current block price

[livid wing]

is it??

I'm thinking of cancel

[kind surge]

and you can easily get points from turael boosting anyways

[livid wing]

ignore me

[kind surge]

cancel price is 30, ye

[livid wing]

LMAO

I was like "why are they going from 30 to 100"

[kind surge]

in fact, turael boosting is gonna be buffed since you can have a separate block list for him now lol

ah yeah I can see your confusion

that would've sucked lol

[livid wing]

I think I'd love more "bane" weapon types alongside more diverse bosses

it feels like a lot of the new bosses are demons

[plush gull]

does krystilia have to cost 100 points per block when its just as meta earlygame as turael boosting is?

[fossil epoch]

Being able to have different Slayer block list is so big

[fossil epoch]

Its meta in all aspects lol

Super good barrage and superiors in wildy

[vivid ruin]

Will we now need death, fire, cosmic, blood and soul for deathcharge + thralls?

[kind surge]

ye I think it's fair

[hasty shard]

i feel like they used wayy too many words to just say 'golembane works on more stone enemies, and granite hammer has golembane'

[hardy stone]

exactly the same with and without the change, just gonna be more expensive if you're a main or using aether runes

and requiring and extra rune if you wanna bring dark demonbane (eg at yama)

[vivid ruin]

Ah ok idm. Im still waking up i did t realize it was the same lmao

[plush gull]

i mean arent souls even more expensive for irons

o no i dont think they are

[hardy stone]

I think both soulds and bloods are 400 for irons

so 5 bloods -> 4 soul is cheaper

[plush gull]

why am i talking about irons i dont have an iron im just gonna look dumb

[hasty shard]

you dont have soul essence though

so you do spend more per rune effectively

[hardy stone]

336 gp each for souls with shopscape* (that's what the wiki says on the scar essence mine page)

sorry, I'm not an iron 😅

[plush gull]

jagex pilfering midgame players' banks with every update. thralls gonna cost an extra 80k per hour to use without master CAs

[livid wing]

Are they gonna poll rewards for the new vamp quest before it comes out? I'd love if we get a wider variety of blisterwood weapons

and if we do then a diff spec for blisterwood flail since it's weird it didn't change to something relating to vyrewatch when we upgrade it

[fossil epoch]

Most likely we will see a new weapon in that arch, but its far in the future still

[kind surge]

I'm sure they will, though currently it's planned for "early 2026" so it's still fairly early to poll it

100% there'll be a final flail upgrade at the very least

[plush gull]

can we have tokkul storage for UIM so they can bank blood furies when the new meta for blood shards drops?

[meager flame]

i feel like the herb change is kind of annoying

[livid wing]

In rs3 we got like a blisterwood weapon for each combat style and they kinda looked sick

so I wouldn't mind that either

[meager flame]

like what about the people that dont have an herb sack lol

[plush gull]

o wait isnt there already rune storage

somewhere

[meager flame]

i imagine they're probably a pretty decent amount of the people doing those tasks

[hasty shard]

they should get one then 👍

[plush gull]

i mean i guess u can just buy onyxes, im gonna actually stop talking about irons now

[meager flame]

also im ngl

i dont actually think the mazchna or vannaka changes really address why people do turael skipping

or boosting

i guess its at least softening the blow of doing it wrong but like

thats probably not even close

[thick beacon]

idt they can make a soultuon i kinda like the meta of tskipping personally

anything they try to do would prob be a nerf unless u can choose ur own tasks to beat tskipping if it got removed

[hasty shard]

you cant rob me of the fun of killing undead cows

[meager flame]

i think anyone that was boosting or skipping already

at any level

will continue to do so

for the same reason

[thick beacon]

exactly but its still buffed alot from this update

[meager flame]

that change is just way too small

like

tbh that isn't even an alternative

[hasty shard]

blocking dog tasks 🥹

[old chasm]

witht he conjunction of the useful early game rewards having their costs lowered I think it may balance out decently for early game players, which is good

later game players might just skip anyway. And that's fine

[sacred skiff]

Finally the dogs are safe

[meager flame]

i mean it doesn't really balance out

the lowered cost just means that turael boosting gets you where you're going that much faster too

[sacred skiff]

And I am safe from jackal tasks

[meager flame]

unless those tasks are way faster than i think they are

[hasty shard]

what are the turael blocks actually

[meager flame]

its kinda just bait to get new players to do the wrong thing

[sacred skiff]

Dogs, wolves

[hasty shard]

im assuming like
skeletons
dogs
lizards
banshees
ghosts

and wolves

[sacred skiff]

Oh skeletons are bad too yeah

[thick beacon]

ghosts are ez imo fast to get to multi

[sacred skiff]

Wolves would be fine if they didn’t take so dang long to respawn

[hasty shard]

yeah ive just not felt ghosts im probably doing them in the wrong spot

[sacred skiff]

Do you do ghosts in catacombs? I feel like most of the task I’m waiting on respawns too

[thick beacon]

ye catcombs

[sacred skiff]

Banshees def out, too much travel time

[thick beacon]

i think id rather block cave bugs over ghosts

[hasty shard]

ye

[sacred skiff]

Even though their animation looks like they’re hitting you with a sick diss lol

[hasty shard]

ive not found cave bugs to be terrrrible but idk

[thick beacon]

theres only like 4 of them

nice thing is it is preferance

[oblique beacon]

What about cave slimes

[hasty shard]

dorg cave fairy ring, head west and tag the two on the way

[sacred skiff]

If you go slightly further in there are enough you can almost always be killing one with bp

[hasty shard]

then theres like 6 or so spawns

[meager flame]

also i noticed that they can refund people points for the mith dragon thing

[sacred skiff]

They’re better than slimes, yeah

[meager flame]

can they refund my points for buying things like task storage lol

[hasty shard]

cave slimes are piss

[sacred skiff]

Oh wait does turael do cave crawlers? They’re kinda slow

[meager flame]

500 is enough to care about

[hasty shard]

ah right cave crawlers

[kind surge]

hopefully they do refund for task storage, don't see why they couldn't

[meager flame]

bc they kinda owe me 750+ points which is enough to be hopeful for lol looking at those changes

[gentle badge]

let us not forget this beautiful unlock

[hasty shard]

22 hp but no downtime

and you've got a tele right to them

also superior chance ig but w/e

[meager flame]

but yeah overall i dont really think this is very controversial

[delicate glen]

Task Storage, Extend & Unlock changes will be refunded 🙂

[meager flame]

most of this stuff is either an upgrade or like the same also tyty

[sharp cave]

Why no changes to imbued heart rates

[oblique beacon]

I didn't see it in the blog, but is wilderness task storage being looked at? It's a minor gripe of mine that it doesn't work

[hasty shard]

add the game jam slayer monsters pleae

[meager flame]

it kinda is a change to imbued heart

its definitely death by a thousand cuts but this will cut hours off of that grind like several other small changes

[thick beacon]

this is a big buff to imbued heart grind to be fair

just indirectly

[sharp cave]

In what way, I guess I'm not seeing it

[meager flame]

i still think its totally absurd to be fair lol but

they're letting you setup specialized block lists to more efficiently hunt for it

[thick beacon]

tskipping is alot better able to block way more tasks with things like mdrag block

time u spend tskipping and time it takes to get rax/smoke will go down alot

[frank pelican]

could a mod press that button that shares the news post to the Discord servers that follow the channel 🥺

[sharp cave]

Nice so the exact thing they said in the blog they wanted to address and not encourage

[meager flame]

oh yeah they fundamentally did nothing to stop the boosting and skipping

they actually buffed it

alongside everything else

its not really what i would've wanted for a slayer points update but it is better than what we currently have

so i cant really get mad at it

[true talon]

arcesus rune changes are bad, do not do them

[thick beacon]

they would have to remove it tskipping been meta for long time for some things

[true talon]

do not fucking add chaos runes to being needed

[thick beacon]

theres no alt that wouldint just be a big nerf if they removed tskipping

[fossil epoch]

The metal Dragon collapsed into 1 task is gonna be so nice for clogging now.
But i feel like we will see a bigger problem with how packed the rune dragons already are of people off task. @delicate glen

[meager flame]

yeah i honestly felt dread looking at the chaos rune and soul rune stuff

[true talon]

turning 2 soul into 1 soul 4 chaos is the same cost are they dumb? it just adds an extra rune needed.....

[meager flame]

lmao they want to ask me for chaos runes and soul runes which means they're asking for my gp

and my stack of like

600k blood runes is just over there

[hasty shard]

chaos runes for demonbane is ????

why

[true talon]

yes this needs to not happen

[hasty shard]

-1 slot at least use any other rune

[meager flame]

like

[true talon]

if they want to make dark demonbane use chaos then it needs to be 8 choas and no souls

[meager flame]

yeah idk i just dont really want to go to the shop for chaos runes

[true talon]

you cant add an extra rune.....

[delicate glen]

Yeah, I've seen this point raised a couple times - added it to my list of feedback, but can't guarantee anything

Same with Vyres

[polar bough]

Did the slayer clean up just come out? like it's already in the game?

[hasty shard]

i was JUST about to say vyres

[true talon]

Sarnie, please do not do the demonbane change, currently you need aether, fire, blood, death for thralls, demonbane and death charge, adding choas means you no longer have all your runes in the pouch.

[delicate glen]

On my feedback list homie ❤️

[hasty shard]

i do hope theres a push in the future to prevent altscape

[kind surge]

imo instead of doing the rune change for dark demonbane, do it for superior demonbane (the 2nd best demonbane spell)

[marble hollow]

I like everything mentioned. Although the points to block seems a bit steep considering you’ve got to block them 2,3,4 times over maybe if you’re utilising different masters.

If I want to block Fire Giants for example at Kuradal, Steve and Konar, it now costs me 270 points? Nah, that’s off.

If they’re trying to fix the early game points issue then that won’t do it, all they’re suggesting is get your slayer level up to unlock the next master then spend all your points obtained rebuilding your block list.

[meager flame]

i would actually be more okay with it if it weren't two runes that im extremely likely to shopscape

[true talon]

idc about the cost as its the same, but they are adding an extra rune its -1 invy slot for no gain.

[meager flame]

i'd just rather have less of that

[hasty shard]

also like the rune cost was just shifted onto thralls instead kinda

[true talon]

1 soul 4 chaos is same cost as 2 soul

[hasty shard]

so its not really saving soul rune costs imo?

[meager flame]

its already actually kind of tragic when you go to refill your shadow

[true talon]

and trhalls became more expensive for mains

because soul is 450 an blood is 220

[meager flame]

on a main i straight up wouldn't care most likely since rune cost is negligible

[tiny epoch]

u still need the same runes for thralls + deathcharge

[meager flame]

so whatever was more conveient in the pouch would be best

[tiny epoch]

why are thralls being changed?

simplifying the number of different runes (you bring the exact same runes but now thralls cost a extra 1k for no reason)

[sharp cave]

Fuck it make it death runesfor skeleton, soul runes for ghost and blood runes for zombie

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

[true talon]

If you want to change the runes, then make it 1 soul 4 chaos and remove the fire and then for thrall make it cost no fire as well. but make it 4 soul + x cosmic and x blood.

not sure why we need fire runes for demonbane and thralls lol

[fossil epoch]

It does seem like the main reason for the swap to 4 chaos rune and 1 soul rune, was to lower the amount of runes spent, reducing the rising price of soul runes. But overall i dont think its gonna have that big an impact

[gusty marsh]

Like a Boss slayer unlock should be toggleable, my mood on whether I want to go bossing as a task constantly switches

[meager flame]

i mean the cost of the demonbane spells is

poorly tuned

or at least it was

it was basically on par with using a shadow at one point

[hasty shard]

they're literally making thralls cost souls instead though 😭

[true talon]

nah because 4 chaos cost the same as 1 soul. it wasnt gonna do anything but remove 1 inventory slot.

[fossil epoch]

Yeh but you cast that once per minut, and the other spell is once per 3 seconds

[frank pelican]

dang Soul Runes went through the roof recently with the changes huh
https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/566

[ionic tartan]

Thralls are used far more often, I'm not liking this soul rune change

[fossil epoch]

It wasnt to reduce the cost of the spell, but to overall reduce the amount of soul runes removed from the game from spell casts, which i dont think will be enough

[meager flame]

yeah yama specifically obliterated soul runes

bc so many people mage

[hasty shard]

you're only really using demonbane at yama is my point

thralls are literally everywhere

except basilisk knights

and pvp

and other random niches

[fossil epoch]

You might also use them at the delve boss

[meager flame]

you know what i really want to see in a summer sweep up

extracts having a % chance to make multiple runes for specific rune types

so the cost is actually balanced to be as good as shops

for everything

and not just some runes

[crystal widget]

"Our logic here is simplifying the number of different runes you're required to bring to make the Arceuus spellbook work." If that's the case, instead of chaos runes for the lvl 80 dark demonbane spell. Why not make it cost 2 death runes instead of chaos. Deathcharge and dark demon bane take 5 types of runes currently and adding chaos would make you need 6.

[hasty shard]

right death runes exist

plz make it death runes lmao

[frank pelican]

we're gonna need a Soul version of the Blood Essence from Nex 😆

[crystal widget]

It's the strongest demonbane spell, doesn't make sense to have it need chaos runes in the first place. Especially since the first demonbane spell takes chaos and fire.

[meager flame]

oh yeah i was already low key begging for that after yama

i used a lot of shadow charges brain off with people lol

[hasty shard]

put soul ess on uhh
muspah / whisperer / nightmare / delve

[tiny epoch]

in what scenario does this change "simplify the number of different runes you're required to bring to make the Arceuus spellbook work"

you bring the same number of runes or more everywhere after this change or what

[thick beacon]

i dont know if this has been adressed or intent but ive seen ppl bring up the point

4aether runes on thrall cast

[hasty shard]

we also have rune pouch loadouts its such a nothing issue lol

[tiny epoch]

yep horrific

[meager flame]

that actually did get talked about

they also have your shadow eating aether runes and giving back soul runes

so look out for that

idk if that'll be changed ever

[thick beacon]

idt they will go through with soul thing it doesint seem to do much imo

[hasty shard]

have shadow turn blue if you use aether runes

[plush gull]

u can venator banshees in catacombs for superiors

[thick beacon]

same gp soul runes still get used cuz of shadow/dc

[hasty shard]

make people pay for the cosmetic

[ember token]

well id rather it be annoying for people who dont have a herb sack so it encourages them to get one rather than it being annoying for those who DO have a herb sack

[meager flame]

idk if that really all adds up though

like

[tiny epoch]

like if u were bringing death charge + thrall before
blood fire cosmic death soul
u still need
blood fire cosmic death soul

if u were bringing thrall + demonbane before
fire cosmic blood soul
now need
fire cosmic chaos soul

[meager flame]

the people doing those tasks are probably the people that didn't buy everything with slayer points already

[crystal widget]

turkey do you know how annoying it is to not have a herb sack for basi knights.

[meager flame]

so if you're saying get more slayer points i guess thats okay but

[quartz anchor]

Bro these changes are amazing. J-mods have been absolutely cooking straight gas since Mod North took over. 10000% MVP

[meager flame]

you're really saying go boost more points

and idk lol it feels weird to encourage that i guess

[crystal widget]

instead of eating up 4 invy slots for 2 noted herbs you could just throw them in the pouch

[meager flame]

honestly i think the coolest fix would just be allowing people to put noted herbs into their herb sack

theres probably some uim weird stuff in there but

idk lol

[ember token]

i mean i dont think any of these tasks besides like, lobstrocities, are beint done by people who couldnt go get a herb sack if they wanted

anyways not a fan of the arceuus spell cost changes

[kind surge]

should noted herbs count towards the 30 limit for unnoted, or make them stack in a separate 30 limit for noted?

if they do let noted herbs stack in the bag

[vivid ruin]

Runepouch upgrade when

[hazy plover]

Thread of elidinis?

[vivid ruin]

Not good enough

[hasty shard]

ngl i want grasping rune pouch

[[rs3: grasping rune pouch]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Grasping_rune_pouch

[meager flame]

when can i dual weild my rune pouches

[ember token]

feel like the reasons they gave for changing the spell costs is kinda weak

[thick beacon]

how about we just use runes from the bank

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[meager flame]

honestly idk if the rune pouch is normally really that big of an issue rn but i will say

as soon as you go for spellbook swap anything

its horrible

[thick beacon]

feel like we gotta slow down even this slayer update is insane at making game easier

[meager flame]

but by the same token i guess

if they were to fix sbs feeling horrible inventory wise

we would be trying to do it even more often

so maybe its better off like this

[thick beacon]

only thing i dont like about sbs atm is stall

[kind surge]

hey it's slayer, I think we can afford to have that improved

[thick beacon]

imo power lvl boost of veng is pretty big kinda like it requires some commitment atm

[hasty shard]

i'd want to see borrowed power added to lunars so harm doesnt lose out so hard

standards consistently losing out 0.625 dps + dc + veng is a choice for sure

[meager flame]

i actually want them to buff veng enough

that i can stop using thralls

veng is so much more fun lol

[thick beacon]

its just hard cuz double dc now to on arc book

[fossil epoch]

Also i think veng has some more balancing issues because you get to burst the enemy more so than the slow dps of thralls

[meager flame]

i can kinda see where they're going with all the arceus support stuff just being too good to not use

it probably lets them have the other spellbooks more focused on other things when one of them is just clearly correct and better

the only thing thats messing with that is sbs

[hasty shard]

idk why thralls werent disabled at yama tbh

like you cant use them in chasm of fire in the first place

[meager flame]

thralls probably shouldn't even exist im ngl lol

but we're here now

[hasty shard]

that too

[median flicker]

Any update on if castle wars will be looked at in the next small changes updates 😭 @delicate glen @little prairie

[hasty shard]

^^^

[fossil epoch]

Cant wait for the next kourend quest that lets us not have to bring the book of the dead anymore

[meager flame]

yeah they're honestly milking that update like crazy

lmao pls get rid of that book already

[delicate glen]

Can't confirm that - but have got your feedback on the radar for when we do

[brittle ore]

Super happy about the update, especially the individual wildy (and others) block list. I know that's been something held back by spaghetti for a long time so it's great that it's been cleaned up enough to have the improvement does anybody know if the system improvements means that wildy slayer can now use task storage, or is that an improvement for another day?

[median flicker]

We can only hope and pray 🙏 it really would be great to get these fixed 🥲

[kind surge]

oh wait, can you use storage for each master individually?

[meager flame]

that would probably be an insane mistake if you can

lmao people would be loaded with tasks for any new boss that slayer helm works for if you could prep

[chrome lantern]

Uhm

Just read the blog

That’s it?

[ember token]

theyre not milking it, this is just the speed at which storylines are progressed, plus they needed to actually finish Varlamore before continuing the storyline considering that Xeric says “i’m going south, meet me there” to xamphur in the quest

[meager flame]

yeah but at the end of the day its a big gameplay pain point

for like

actual years

and we're waiting for the lore to fix it

its kinda cringe lol

[chrome lantern]

They’re not going to touch the imbued heart at all?

After all this hype?

They’re going to make you hold another rune in your inventory for demonbane?

[fossil epoch]

Tureal block list kinda buffs the heart

[ember token]

separate block lists is a buff to heart

[chrome lantern]

Legit why

Yeah but heart deserves to be double as common lmao for how exclusive it is

[meager flame]

oh yeah i mean my initial reaction was kinda disappointment because i just

really think you can do a lot more with slayer points and slayer in general

their proposed changes are improvements though ultimately so im not against them

[chrome lantern]

Also why are we only lumping dragons together?

Not any other categories?

[fossil epoch]

I did think the Slayer buffs were gonna be more impactful aswell

[chrome lantern]

Demons? Anything?

[kind surge]

ye true I thought there'd be more cluster tasks

demons definitely would've made a lot of sense and I don't think that'd be gamebreaking to have

either greater or black demon tasks are already fairly common atm

[chrome lantern]

If you include abyssal on that too it would also help the heart pains

[brittle ore]

You can probably do more stuff, but the stuff in this blog were things I considered to be pretty big pain points so I'm real happy at least. Probably a lot of the suggestions we make now in response will be some of the first things considered for the next QoL improvement round though so it's the best time to discuss it

[meager flame]

i mean i honestly think we're just gonna watch them slowly erode the time it takes to see a heart on average

[kind surge]

o yeah abyssals too

[ember token]

i mean like you were just talking about, thralls (and the arceuus spellbook overall) is really good, and just got 2 big buffs with double DC and saving an inventory space with aether runes, so idk what the rush is to buff thralls further by removing the botd req

[meager flame]

its already been going on the last couple years

[kind surge]

those have even more weight than the other two

[meager flame]

oh its just because we're past the point of no return with thralls etc

the book is now just an annoyance using it and taking the book with us though

thats locked in

[chrome lantern]

Why is Jagex intent on making Dark Demonbane add another rune type into your inv instead of just making the spell cheaper

[meager flame]

i think they're gonna reconsider that one

i think they maybe didn't completely think it through

[chrome lantern]

I think the obvious answer is just 1 soul rune but at a minimum the other rune should be death to match death charge

[kind surge]

ye sarnie's already aware that the change is already disliked in here

[chrome lantern]

If they’re intent to keep a death rune or something

[kind surge]

doubt it'll actually go through without maybe another tweak or even keeping it unchanged

[chrome lantern]

Also 4 chaos is more expensive than a soul rune on iron at least lmao

[meager flame]

that was also my reaction

i was slightly sad thinking about going to the shop

i already see them enough to fill my shadow

[chrome lantern]

Also when are they going to just delete Mark of Darkness and build the effects into demonbane spells?

[meager flame]

also im ngl

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I’ve already loaded 300k chaos runes into my shadow it feels awful

[meager flame]

the act of getting the chaos runes to charge the shadow is like

bad enough to maybe fix that specifically somehow

[kind surge]

could instead tweak the middle one so it uses 5 fire, 3-4 chaos

and then making dark demonbane only 1 soul like you said

[meager flame]

like bro just let me dump gp into the staff at this point

pls

[chrome lantern]

Just 1 death

Make it an obvious progression lmao

[kind surge]

oh yeah idk why I'm not thinking of death runes

simple solution

[chrome lantern]

1 chaos, 1 death, then 1 soul

Ez

[kind surge]

ye that's much nicer

[meager flame]

i'd take something like that for shadow too honestly

replace some chaos runes with something else of a similar value just so im not bombing shops forever

[chrome lantern]

The “issue” with shadow is that the price/hr on a main is fine but getting hundreds of thousands of specifically chaos and soul on an iron sucks

[kind surge]

I don't think a lvl 62 combat spell should be using souls so hopefully they also change that one

[meager flame]

yeah its terrible hopping to collect 1 trillion chaos runes

[chrome lantern]

I’ve done scar chaos and it’s not amazing

[brittle ore]

It's a tiny part of it but moving the moon helmet to the clog is a good sign too, not including it always felt like a bad precedent

[meager flame]

soul runes are also in that weird zone where like

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see a need to make moon keys more common

[meager flame]

shops are basically great because of cost

[chrome lantern]

Keep rare items rare when they’re specifically cosmetic

[meager flame]

lmao i said something about that earlier wanting extracts to have a % chance to proc extra runes for the specific runes that are too expensive compared to shops to want to use extracts

[chrome lantern]

Game needs more megarare cosmetics like moon helm

[meager flame]

like astrals are another example iirc

im kinda surprised jagex didnt do this to begin with

[chrome lantern]

Same reason jar of darkness and stale baguette never needed to be buffed rates

[kind surge]

I mean they could tweak the mask's droprate specifically if they're making keys more common

[meager flame]

just to actually balance out the costs in a way that you just go do extracts every time

instead of using the shop

[kind surge]

but the keys should be fairly common because the loot is nice from the chest

[chrome lantern]

They’re not doing that though, their intent is to make it more common

[brittle ore]

It wouldn't have been crazy to make the skilling half less rare to balance it, but the big complaint about it that I saw was how whacky the ratio was rather than how often you could open chests

[kind surge]

that's fair

[meager flame]

i mean the keys and the mask are just some like

unhinged weird stuff

[kind surge]

making the key itself more common (the combat part at least) is good imo though