game-update

[true talon]

Unsure of what they can change about slayer to make it worth doing past 99/heart

So it’s prob early and mid game changes

More generalization on tasks

Hopefully some drop table changes

[shadow wave]

Originally slated for today but Goblin has been unwell recently, so it may be pushed back a couple of days

[true talon]

Really hope there is a separate task block list for wildy slayer

[bright anchor]

Thats the 1 thing ive been begging for. But now i've hit 200M slay. I kinda want it even more XD

[frail bough]

Some of these already implemented but this probably gives a pretty good overview of the remaining things we can expect.

[hard axle]

Blocklist for each master ty, bigger slayer point sink

[hasty shard]

make turael skipping give points

[frail bough]

id be happy if they just kept track of the things you already blocked and allow you to toggle whatever you want on/off after you've "unlocked" it (while still keeping the number of tasks that can be blocked capped)

blocklist per master would probably be just as good

[chrome lantern]

I guess sure 2 of those are done, sire and inferno tasks

[hasty shard]

part of me hopes they dont hold back with slayer changes

not a slayer hater by any means i'm just not opposed to them ezscaping it

[shadow fiber]

A prefer list would be nice, it can be a real pain to fish for tasks you want. I'd be happy with being able to extend your current task with points as well, that'd be a much better sink than block list per slayer master, which would probably be more annoying overall especially at lower levels without commiting to tureal boosting for thousands of points before starting to use a new slayer master. It'd be nice to have more reason to go to a different slayer master as well

[sharp cave]

Hoping they uncuck the imbued heart

[hasty shard]

oh right heart

i want them to add the game jam slayer monsters and have those drop heart on a secondary table

[hard axle]

Putting it on slayer bosses would drastically help since it’s a 0 time buff as you already do them regardless

Just please balance it right so kraken isn’t better for heart than hydra lol

[hasty shard]

on slayer bosses makes it 0 time pretty much which is cringe imo

like i dont think you should get to afk to heart unless it's literally current rates

[sharp cave]

Mutli layered rng is cringe I don't want to roll for a chance at the roll

Just let me farm something for it

[hasty shard]

which is why i like the game jam monsters cause they aren't meant to be afk

(can also like. balance the drop better when its not on already existing creatures/bosses)

[jovial sentinel]

Have they actually said anything about changing heart though?

I very much doubt they would, as loads of mains would cry about them losing value, which they would instantly

[thick beacon]

in a way the changes make current meta alot better id imagine (of tureal skipping for arraxytes/smokedevils)

[jovial sentinel]

Probably depends on who you ask

Id agree with you for sure, but i bet loads of people would make arguments against it.

'Its supposed to be a megarare'

[thick beacon]

ye not even saying they are specifically changing heart but by changing blocklist and stuff it does help heart grind alot

[jovial sentinel]

Potentially. I think the real fix is just making a realistically obtainable mage potion as a middleground.

[thick beacon]

we have forgotten brew

its same as imbued heart

[hard axle]

The solution is we add a 125 melee stat from a squishable heart

[jovial sentinel]

Not really realistic to make though

Requiring a boss grind to resupply a potion that has downsides

[thick beacon]

well thats why we also have the ancient brew as well

[hard axle]

It’s very realistic

Fuck we saying

Super combats are more annoying to make and assemble than forgotten brews

and I’ve made 50k of those

[jovial sentinel]

Its realistic to get some, sure. Its not realistic to have that as yet another boss grind thats a requirement to use magic

[hard axle]

?????

That’s…

[ember token]

ancient brews and forgotten brews exist except you need to do nex for nihil shards to make the ancient brews and then muspah for essence to turn it into forgotten brews, and they still both drain your attack, defense, and strength, AND there's no divine version

[frail bough]

I mostly just don't get why it gives negative melee stats

[thick beacon]

for mains its pretty free and for irons having same boost as imbued heart is a pretty big middle ground idk

[hard axle]

This is the only thing I think they should remove

[vivid ruin]

Forgotten brews work perfectly with wild

[thick beacon]

and if heart is a mrare maybe if we are comparing it to other mrares it should be alot better (shurg)

[hard axle]

100k surge pot 4s

[frail bough]

I guess maybe it gives negative stats so that heart didn't drop in price or something? idk

[thick beacon]

i do agree though nihil shards are annoying and a detour to get but atleast there is a option imo

[hard axle]

That’s actually why I want a heart for melee stats. It’ll be higher than scb so if you brew, you lose out a lot.

Brews are way too powerful to be able to boost right back up ngl

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah like, its an option, just a pretty bad one.

[hard axle]

The only thing bad is the negs

But you seem to have more of a problem with the assembly

[jovial sentinel]

I mean, having to go back and grind more for them is a pain, that mains mostly dont care about

And thats a lot of the problem

And then just being straight up worse.

Now adren pot.

[hard axle]

You really don’t burn that many boost pots regardless

[hasty shard]

because the +6 prayer is op and has to be balanced SOMEHOW

[jovial sentinel]

How many more boss grinds will we get for materials that are semi mandatory?

[hard axle]

almost like that’s been the game for years

Did you hate zulrah meta for coconuts and shit?

[obsidian venture]

I mean the iron gamemode is to grind a boss for x items no. Surely upkeep is a factor in that. However, I doubt you’ll need to make more than a couple hundred, which should be more than easily made

[hasty shard]

zulrahs fun

they just need to make fun content fr

[hard axle]

reality is, pvm has and always been integral for making pits

Pots

[hasty shard]

I'm kind of happy it happened but I wanna point out how insanely cheap surge pots are

[hard axle]

Stuff like demon fat is good for the game because it’s not flooding the game with alchables to make content worthwhile

[hard axle]

600m sunk on surge pots

[jovial sentinel]

There are alternatives for coconuts... so... no.

You can passively build em.

[hasty shard]

this is why i can never collat a tbow

[hard axle]

Yeah and all of those are worse than just doing pvm. Coconut milk from toa be like

[hasty shard]

jk i blame vlad for that

[hard axle]

You can farm baby mobs for nihil shards and mine ancient essence, no?

Don’t need to boss for it

[hard axle]

No no, he’s almost done with my megas

[jovial sentinel]

Its fine if the alternatives are qorse

[hasty shard]

mining ancient essence is a meme i thiink

[jovial sentinel]

You can do em while working gor something

[hard axle]

Rice has it

[jovial sentinel]

If they are worse (as in slower), why would you have a problem with similar for mage potions?

[hard axle]

Yes, but the complaint was “I have to boss for secondaries”, which ain’t true.

[hasty shard]

he was flaming me for making a 6th hally at rax when he's doing ggs

[hard axle]

I’m okay with removing the negative defense stats because they’re frankly annoying

[hasty shard]

i do think they should flip the secondaries around tbh but w/e

[hard axle]

That’s also fine

but whining about no alternatives to heart ain’t it.

it’s like saying super sets aren’t alternatives to scb

[jovial sentinel]

Its not either, its more that its both.

But obtaining them is only going to get more annoyint.

Id say fixing one and seeing how it feels is the way, or making a new potion

[hasty shard]

they should let you use a torstol on the super set ge item to make scbs thoughts

[small anvil]

Not having divine is annoying tbf, I grabbed heart over an anc piece cuz maintaining the boost was awful. Praying preserve and keeping track of the tick down

[hasty shard]

you just rub the torstol onto the box and it metamorphises into a scb

[ember token]

super sets are just a scb that hasnt been made yet, only "worse" because it's slightly inconvenient to drain 3 potions vs 1 whereas ancient/forgotten brews are just worse than heart for a magic boost in every way

[small anvil]

But what happened to my vials!

[ember token]

ive gotten 2 heart drops so i'm allowed to say that the brews arent really a heart alternative

[hard axle]

As much as people bitch, I hope we get a melee version of saturated heart at 125 melee stats

[hasty shard]

think of the torstol prices!

[hard axle]

Cuz fundamentally it’s good balance to discourage the use of brews

[chrome lantern]

Forgotten brews have a few big problems:
-Screw over melee stats, making you drink a ton of combat pots
-Not divine
-Really high herb requirement

[earnest vigil]

making everything obtainable on ironman has ruined the game made tbh

grinding clues for weeks for clogs since evrything is obtainable you can get everything so fast

[tender harness]

no let me see people suffer

[chrome lantern]

I definitely voted no to condensing clan broadcasts

[small anvil]

How will we catch the obvious wealth transfers otherwise

[ember token]

surely they meant this to be the other way around, hiding gp lost if it's BELOW a certain threshold

[small anvil]

Nah I wanna see the lost spades

[tender harness]

I want to see geek lose 50b

[small anvil]

I have to make 50b first!

Or maybe you loan it to me

Also did you burn out again

[tender harness]

been just kinda dealing with RL stuff

[small anvil]

Dang 😦

Construction is absolutely nothing to look forward to getting back to in game either

[tender harness]

im almost done like 33% left to 97. just chipping away here and there, just lifes been dumb right now. bit of a is what it is tho

experiment bridge would be kinda cool. I get crabs are the thing but like, having that super easy to get to again those were super afk

[small anvil]

Cons was the worst grind of maxing

Imo

Just mind numbing

[tender harness]

19k planks left

[hard axle]

Please add master tier mahogany contracts

Priff, darkmeyer, castles, etc:

[sacred skiff]

Con is an actual useful 99 tho

[small anvil]

It's just a infinite house tab tbf

[sacred skiff]

POH portals are good tho, and not having to make house tabs on an iron is goated

[small anvil]

Instead you spend a ton of time and money making planks lol

Don't get me wrong I like the cons cape

But the utility is kinda overstated sometimes I feel

Obviously it's great part of max cape

[earnest marsh]

naah

poh portals arent bis

if it dint take like 8 tick to teleport to house

then 5 tick to run to a portal

it would be alot better

[meager flame]

this is never spent time with a max cape talk im ngl

obv max cape has additional teleports on it that make it insane but the bulk of them are the con cape

[earnest marsh]

Con cape good for herb runs!

[plush gull]

this would be cool i want the meta for hp restoration to be only prayer regen, aranea sacks, and snowy knights

hope theres a funner to grind source of aldarium in p3

[hexed pecan]

I want xp rates for new fletch activity

[plush gull]

probably slower than trouble brewing since they killed it 😭

[tacit wharf]

as it should have been

[fossil epoch]

The 3 hour downtime today, would be the perfect time to drop the summer sweep up p2 blog, so we had something to get hyped about while the game is down Jagex 🙂

[earnest marsh]

Think mod goblin is maybe sick or feeling bad

So it's delayed

[fossil epoch]

All good, probably should delay the downtime then, is what it is

[earnest marsh]

Downtime is content 😉

[fossil epoch]

oh its only UK worlds getting taken down

[still orbit]

Today update timing

[dusk surge]

So it’s only UK worlds down? Hopefully the app starts working again 😂

[round mountain]

Yeah phone app not working

[rain drift]

Was about to say, if only uk worlds are down why is the app also down?

[dusk surge]

Atleast it’s not just me 🤦🏻‍♂️

[round mountain]

They must do a hop through uk servers to connect

An oversight perhaps

I WILL be setting up my cannon in falador once I connect.

[obsidian whale]

Came here thinking same thing. Wonder if it’s because we were on uk worlds when it went down?

[round mountain]

I was asleep

My default world is set to UK

so probably tries to grab update patch from uk world and doesn’t connect

[obsidian whale]

And can’t even change world now lol

[round mountain]

Time to touch grass

[forest tinsel]

Reinstall client after deleting will let you pick another world

[rain drift]

Yeah but does deleting app and reinstalling work?

[obsidian whale]

It seems to be working on its own now

[neat bronze]

@random nymph hey Sween, just wondering when the gout tuber update is coming? You replied to me regarding it a month or two back which is why I’ve tagged you 🙂 passed a long time ago

[median flicker]

@delicate glen I’ve sent you the castle wars info! Please 🙏 look at it I’m not sure u read dms understandably I bet you get tonnes on discord but it’s regarding the updates and twitch chat from yesterday

[elfin oyster]

Every damn ping and I'm like SLAYER BLOG? Nope, back to work

[warm pond]

Much love to the infra Jmods that keep our game rolling smoothly

[delicate glen]

I have seen this and will read 🙂

[delicate glen]

Will pass on the kind message ❤️

[median flicker]

@delicate glen thank you so much!

It’s important to us 🙂

[haughty halo]

You guys trolled us with that one, thought it was the Vallarmore detailed blog part 3 being posted. 😦

[plush gull]

should add new barbarian mixes and GE set items as part of summer sweep up. kinda annoying not being able to buy huey hide and moons sets in GE form

[fossil epoch]

no worries, you only need to buy the huey helm and vambraces for the clues step

[plush gull]

im buying it for inferno (its a weird budget setup i cant even afford an anguish)

[fossil epoch]

Im surprised by the amount of bonds you claim you need to buy to play the game, anguish is what 1 bond. Gl with your attempts

[plush gull]

zenytes are over 20m

ive been throwing money down the drain all sorts of ways and starting to feel hopeless, but i think i just figured out how to put together some reasonable colo+inferno+yama setups without selling my useless emberlight or taking apart my echo boots

obviously void melee for colo and void mage for yama

[slender vapor]

Slayer blog when?

[sacred oracle]

okay that was pretty informative, good blog post

i tend toward unfair pessimism, and i genuinely thought they just didn't even know how to do blue-green deployments

[ember token]

Already happened months ago

[neat bronze]

Oh really? I must have missed the news post about it

[ember token]

yup

[neat bronze]

Just checked the wiki and saw - my bad 😄 thank you

[tawny fulcrum]

Cool post on the infrastructure maintenance and especially interesting that it pointed to some specific areas of improvement for the future!

I think you might have caused some duplication of your staff (specifically Mod Maniac) while performing your blog-writing activities though. You might want to double check your signature database again. Rollback?!? 🫣

[plush gull]

how much longer until i can start bringing an antler guard everywhere to match my homeless void robes

[fossil epoch]

8 days

[tawny tide]

Legit about to start voting no to everything until we get a SSU2 announcement

I need to know confidently that krystila is getting a new task list man 😭

[ember token]

yeah voting no to this minor qol poll will really show jagex

[idle rapids]

is one of the Jmod names an emoji? Also trying to understand why there is an elipsis before their name

[ember token]

it's a hamster emoji

pretty sure the joke here is like the servers are powered by hamsters

[idle rapids]

ah okay thats pretty clever

[fossil epoch]

might be this guy

[sacred skiff]

Lol I also thought about Hamtaro

who I hadn't thought about since I was like 7

[idle rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-dance-dancing-gif-1166982135812854600

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-crazy-gif-17986687

[sacred skiff]

When I miss disease-free harmony patch by 1 vote I'm coming for you lol

[fossil epoch]

I feel like if we dont get the Summer sweep up this week, (or atleast before the 23th, then it wont be until the week after varla p3 that we see the summer sweep up 2 blog, just to not dump info during new release

[winged raptor]

is nightmare respawn getting fixed tomorrow? ngl i almost closed the game after seeing lumby

[ember token]

nope

no update tomorrow

and it wont be next week either

could be the 30th but not very likely as that will probably be mostly just varlamore part 3 fixes

[winged raptor]

but wasnt it supposed to work like a week ago

[thick beacon]

whats going on with nightmare?

[ember token]

nothing

[ember token]

was suppose to be last update yeah among other things

but they decided not to because they added the new renderer beta that update

[winged raptor]

so even at phosani you still spawn in lumby?

[ember token]

no, they added it to phosani with the sweep-up update

[winged raptor]

well i guess i dont want to pay 60k for every mistake at phosani and learning at normal nightmare with possibility of running from lumby is a no go, see you nightmare in a month

[tawny tide]

That’s why it must happen tomorrow

[hallow musk]

I think you guys deleted the report button on mobile client when you streamlined the chat. We have 3 people looking right now and nada

Does anyone know where you would report a bug in game on mobile?

[white narwhal]

Long press the chat icon with the talk bubbles

[hallow musk]

Thank you. I would consider adding that in the tutorial you link Ash, a bit unintuitive

[true talon]

Normal nm don’t teach you shit about phosani, the mechanics are mostly different. As normal nm is done in a team and has a lot of chip damage.

[frail bough]

Other than understanding the basics id maybe argue that's the worst possible thing to do

But if 60k breaks the bank, it is what it is i guess

[true talon]

Also it’s 60k if you die at either boss

[winged raptor]

i have like 2 nightmare kc, so i think its worth to atleast get some muscle memory or w/e you wanna call it for standard attacks, so if i fail to recognize it or am just late i get hit for 30dmg instead of 90

[true talon]

Phosani max is like 70

[frail bough]

Yeah you're definitely overthinking this one

[winged raptor]

so its still over twice the nightmare max hit

[true talon]

I did like 1 normal nm then went to phosani it’s better expierence even if die

[ember token]

regular nightmare is good for getting a hang of the basic mechanics like reacting to attacks, switching prayers correctly during the prayer jumble special, etc

[winged raptor]

yeah, i kinda struggled with that prayer switch special

[frail bough]

Middle = melee prayer, otherwise just swap to the other prayer (either left or right) if what you're currently praying isn't correct

but yeah if your concern is the fact that you spawn in lumby and your goal is to learn pnm, just do pnm IMO

[vivid ruin]

All that you really need to remember is that prot melee = prot mage and prot mage = prot range. She doesnt really use melee in that phase thankfully

She does but not often

Write it down on a sticky note to refer to while learning

[hard axle]

always camp pray melee

and then react left or right

[ember token]

im too lazy for that, i simply just react when it attacks with melee

[hard axle]

praying melee feels like there's a lot less time

[ember token]

there is less time

melee is 1 tick faster

[hard axle]

that's why camp melee by default

[ember token]

oh yea misread what you said

[hard axle]

[vivid ruin]

My prayer book is rearranged so i couldnt go by this lol

Prot prayers and offense prayers top left corner in a specific order

Does PNM use melee a lot during that spec? I know reg nightmare doesnt

[ember token]

uses melee more often in p3

[true talon]

Its just pray what the attack she is using is weak agaisnt.
Melee = mage
Range = melee
Mage = range

People forget the combat triangle exists 😦

[vivid ruin]

Yeah my prayer book is arranged specifically to prayer triangle

[hard axle]

yeah default prayer book andy here

whatever works for u

[vivid ruin]

[small anvil]

I have not rearranged prayers

Is that allowed in wildy

[vivid ruin]

Truly a game changer

Yes

[small anvil]

Or does it do the stupid thing where it goes back to normal

Gotcha

[summer tulip]

Why wasn't lending introduced to OSRS?

I was hoping to borrow/rent a few items from time to time

[vivid ruin]

Someone told me it had something to do with the economy of the game or something

[hard axle]

Drove the prices of the bis up to rent them out, let noobs get access to bis and skip any form of progression by paying a fraction of the price, made non-bis gear basically worthless.

[summer tulip]

ok thanks

Ugh ... I wish thread of elidinis was tradeable. I've done 100-150 TOA raids since I've lost it due to being lured and still dry streak

[ember token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlIXM_stVFk

[summer tulip]

and I've gotten 12 different gems already so I am just wondering what's going on

[summer tulip]

I just saw this

[hard axle]

the video covers it

[summer tulip]

yeah i was watching it

earlier

[true talon]

Best part was when someone brought your borrowed item to the wilderness, you came with them and then they returned it and killed you to get the item XD

there was lures like this back in the day

[upper ice]

Respect

[small anvil]

Not a flex decision lol just laziness

[upper ice]

No point in doing it imo

So much built up muscle memory

[small anvil]

I'm pretty recently back to the game so the muscle memory isn't that baked in

Like the thing I would do is probably rearrange the buff prayers

[upper ice]

I won’t.

[small anvil]

But eh whatever

[upper ice]

It’s not that serious though lmao

[small anvil]

Lazy and I get along fine

[upper ice]

I do respect people who don’t though

But like I don’t care if you do I’m not gonna lose respect for you

[small anvil]

It's funny that people rag on inventory tags

When rearranging prayer is way bigger benefit

[upper ice]

Both bad

[small anvil]

I use the tags

[upper ice]

I used to

[small anvil]

Cuz bad and cuz I just don't find things instantly recognizable

[upper ice]

But one day I decided to learn inventory management and turned them off

Was a conscious decision

Made me a much better player

[small anvil]

It's nice for noticing you missed a switch

[upper ice]

Can still learn inventory management with them obviously

But I also just don’t like how it looks

[small anvil]

Yeah it does look tacky

But eh

Function over form for me

[vivid ruin]

Efficient *

[upper ice]

Nah

Ppl can do what they want

Just my opinion

And I’ve been playing the game for a while

[small anvil]

I do have some prayers hidden

[vivid ruin]

This isnt efficient and arguably better?

[small anvil]

Think that's in game though?

[upper ice]

I wouldn’t say it is

[small anvil]

What about yellow mage pray

[upper ice]

Looks so weird man

[small anvil]

Same max hits

Half the prayer drain

[vivid ruin]

This picture was before titan prayers. I keep those off to the right

[upper ice]

I don’t wanna argue though

If it works for you then great

[vivid ruin]

No worries 🫶

[tiny epoch]

how did u change your inventory management with tags off vs on

[upper ice]

I started doing it

Before my inv was just random shit all over the place and I was just clicking colors

I was not competent yet

[tiny epoch]

yep thats pretty pure trolling

tags or no

[upper ice]

Almost 5 years ago

[small anvil]

Probably was a good kick in the butt to improve

Going cold turkey

[upper ice]

Made a huge difference

Very quickly

[small anvil]

Defenders like to teleport

[meager flame]

i mean tags aren't really anything more than familiarity

i had them on for years

then i turned them off and it literally didn't matter

there was no adjustment

its just about how much you play lol

[obsidian venture]

For me, taking off inv tags made me better at reorganizing my inv mid combat and for future rooms, as before I would compensate by just clicking the color where ever it was

Could be placebo sure but it’s kinda a similar route amongst other folks in endgame pvm that are into max eff/speeds

[tiny epoch]

yea i mean if u need to turn off tags to stop trolling ur invent then you do you

even with tags having items in random spots is horrifically bad, i play with tags & cant imagine trying to switch with items in random spots in invent

[upper ice]

Ye this is what I meant more so

Forced me to stop allowing that to happen

Also was a huge noob at the time almost no pvm experience and wanted to get better

I know some good players who use tags and I don’t understand why. I think it’s just something they’ve kept on but I don’t think they need it anymore

Familiarity like turkey said

[tiny epoch]

it just makes things more clear

even u dont need them more clear is better than less clear

[frail bough]

Same reason most people don't turn off tile markers

[sacred oracle]

i use tags because it adds information without subtracting any

if i'm doing a lot of gear switching and i miss a switch, it's easy to notice it if everything in your two rows of items to switch is green except one which is red

harder to notice if you need to look at each item to see which one isn't X-style equipment

i can understand people who have much better vision react time than i do not needing them as much

a little less understanding for people who (to me it seems) performatively say they're useless

[plush gull]

my brain cant process colors but i would use tags if they were text

also they need to make that herb plugin or whatever work on godswords, impossible to tell them apart when you bring multiple

[idle rapids]

Just bring the dogsword, problem solved

[plush gull]

why do 6 jads have water weakness but not inferno mobs

[tiny epoch]

🍝

[plush gull]

nah this one has to be intentional... someone bug goblin about it when they get back from vacation

[earnest marsh]

Gotta save some content to next year

[south thorn]

Molch island needs attention. Xp and drop rate of pearls are both bananas

[brave hearth]

how is 135k exp an hour bananas?

[south thorn]

Hunter xp is super easy now with all the updates.

Fishing xp is 60k max unless 3T barb

[brave hearth]

and you can do both at once

i think it has it's niche

I always see ppl there too

[south thorn]

More importantly, the rods have minimal purpose and the golden trench is just a flex. Pearl rate is low even after adjustment.

[brave hearth]

I was kinda expecting you to complain about the fish sack.

the rods are mostly for flexing. the one extra inventory space isn't gonna change things

I got the activity greenlogged and if I didn't max hunter recently I'd be back for more

[south thorn]

1000 pearls for a sack that does not improve QOL lol. 8k fish and I just hit 100 pearls

[brave hearth]

this is what I had left after finishing

[south thorn]

I cut the feesh lol

[brave hearth]

same

it's fun to see the fish chunk stack grow

[south thorn]

I enjoy seeing the pearl stack grow more lol

How many tenches?

[brave hearth]

I'm not logged in but I think i saw 3 or 4 while green logging

[fossil epoch]

Hopefully gonna get a buff so i can greenlog it with summer sweep up

[brave hearth]

I really didn't think the grind was that bad, especially since I was working towards maxing anyway but I might have survivor bias here :P

[fossil epoch]

yeh its bad idk

pearls are at a very slow rate compared to what the rewards are

for such an active activity

[south thorn]

That’s definitely my point. If it was afk, sure but it’s super click intensive and appears less balanced than newer game

[fossil epoch]

There is absolutely no reason to go there for a normal account.
Its from a time where the community was VERY scared for any new methods to be good, and the general consensus of the game was that it was supposed to be hard. So it just doesnt match with todays metas

[south thorn]

Oh for sure but it’s helping me max by having clog goals to focus on lol but it’s definitely extending the time

[timber drift]

no changes this week right? surely didnt manage to sneak in toa breakpoint fixes?

[inner garnet]

no changes but barb assault prob getting broken

[timber drift]

that implies there were changes

[winged raptor]

so we dont even get bugfixes today so we can get shiny new (bugged) patch next week, right?

[idle seal]

looool

[plush gull]

why is there a maintenance timer with no news anywhere?

ok theres news in #general from mod ash apparently

[brave hearth]

yeah i forwarded it here

[brave hearth]

.

[plush gull]

#old-school message

[tame moth]

when will the changes from poll 85 go into effect? will they be coming with varlamore or after ( specifically pet reclaims )

[fading token]

Thanks for letting me know of the difficulty finding it after the last changes.

[fading token]

After.

(Hopefully not too many weeks after, though! Development has begun, anyway)

[tame moth]

Thanks! cant wait for free pets :D

[glass pebble]

is there downtime?

[brave hearth]

a couple seconds at best

[rain nimbus]

How long maintennace?

[glass pebble]

its back now

[potent apex]

back now

[wraith thunder]

where are patch notes?

[fierce sluice]

📢 Reminder: there’s no game update today as the team’s preparing for the Varlamore: The Final Dawn launch.

⏱️ The PvP rota will be adjusted as usual at 11:30 am BST, following an in-game countdown timer and a quick world reboot. Once the timer expires, you should be able to log back in after a minute or two!

[grizzled jolt]

Is the varlamore qna blogpost today or later this week?

[lean escarp]

is anyone else having trouble right click switching between clan/ public chat? I right click, select public and my messages are still going to clan

[nocturne solstice]

Works fine for me. Do you see the (clan) after your name after you select clan chat?

[lean escarp]

yeah I do, but when i click public it disappears (clan) as normal. but then ill send a message and it goes to clan

[hollow pivot]

also wondering this

[lean escarp]

seems to be ok atm, maybe just tempermental

[nocturne solstice]

hmm odd, you're on the "all" tab when chatting right?

[lean escarp]

yeah

[nocturne solstice]

yeah not sure then sorry man

sounds weird

[lean escarp]

its not doing it anymore, no worries. it was strange though.

[sharp cave]

When summer sweep up 2

https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

[true talon]

Yea i thought blog p2 was this week, guess goblin is out so no blog 😦

[ember token]

yeah sarnie posting the maintenance blog yesterday suggested goblin was still out

[fossil epoch]

goblin was in Guzu chat yesterday, so its good to see he is still enjoying himself on his time off!

But yeh, its looking more and more like sweep up blog post wont be till after varla p3

[tawny tide]

Why even teases us with it 😭

[fossil epoch]

Well to be fair, i asked goblin like 3-4 weeks ago now and even then he said they didnt know if the blog post would drop before or after varla p3

[thick beacon]

fact they releasing all these updates with varla part 3 is awesome imo

[minor whale]

He'd posted on Reddit it was still due this week, but later in the week

[vivid ruin]

Right click the tab on the far left, click public

[fossil epoch]

recently?

[earnest marsh]

Heard some rumours the blog would be out before 14th

He said it on Reddit no?

But he's on vacation tho

[minor whale]

Was Monday that was said

[fossil epoch]

Oh Mod Sarnie said it

[sharp cave]

At this point it will be the autumn sweep up pt1

[true talon]

They prob didnt account on having to spend month an half fixing yama contract bs

basically wasted the summer

[fossil epoch]

i think thats just different teams though

[earnest marsh]

And none wanted the contracts sheet no?

Awakening orb

What other things

[true talon]

no1 wanted contracts lol. it was viewed as awakener orb 2.0 and it was.

[tawny tide]

Let’s goooo

[true talon]

Based yama could have released with a few of the contract tweaks or toggles and it woulda been absolutely way better.

[earnest marsh]

Yep, fought they learned from dt2

Kinda same sheet with alchemic hydra aswell

[true talon]

If they wanted to try an bring a risk reward system from POE2.
then using trial of chaos orb system in which you sacrfice an item to enter the encounter an if you win you double it, would have been great.
Means you sink items out the game untill you are good enough for 100% completetion an then you can basically dupe the items, but there is always that risk. obviously they would have to limit the items you can do, but it woulda been a great way to expirment with obtaining stuff while risking heavily. like imagine you can dupe a tbow if your good enough but you need to risk a tbow to learn it XD

Obviously stuff that extreme wouldnt be allowed

But ya, contracts are worth about 40k now XD basically made dossier a dead item after you get double death charge.

dossier becoming 1/12 nerfed the rate you get oathplate shards/lock boxes also

I am so hype for this delve update though. its finally something end game that isnt producing a niche side grade item.....
It will feel like actual account progression.

[earnest marsh]

then they add nightmare rarity on the items

cus end game players should have soemthing to do untill 2027

as nothing for endgame content on the raodmap

[true talon]

I dont think they will, unless its lower lvl rarity, i think the mid/higher lvl rarity will be decent much like colo.

[earnest marsh]

but but

end game pvmers have nothing to do for 8 months maybe

as alot of people will probly do minimal sailing

haha jkjk, but imagine

[chilly summit]

Anyone know when the HD graphics update will be?

[fossil epoch]

Just sounds like a problematic influx of items though. OSRS players are very good at learning and teaching the community. And people who cant dont do the content. Also bots. Probably just crashes the value unless you add something truly rng, that just fucks up players for no reason

[fossil epoch]

Not announced, its gonna be a long time, they have only just done a testing of the new renderer, which is like a small part of whats needed for HD

[true talon]

ya obviously its not perfect as overtime it will be perfected and basically become duping items.

I will do delve, get the 3 uniques and then go lock myself in chambers to get ancestral XD. then after that idk........ we basically the pinicale end game after that. maybe tob for justi an rapier.

[earnest marsh]

should had polled sailing vs raid 4

[true talon]

Wearable items im missing.
ancestral all 3 pieces
Justi all 3 pieces
rapier
Orbs all 3
Ely
And thats what i look forward to grinding everyday basically 😦

[earnest marsh]

time to start an uim 🙂

[true talon]

Nah never

[fossil epoch]

or a new account and do it all over again

[true talon]

Yea we basically approaching the point of pet hunting XD

A new account prob aint bad idea, because early/mid game iron is an absolute blast now.

[fossil epoch]

Seems like Sae Bae really enjoyed his switch from pet grinding on an iron to starting a new iron, and experiencing all the changes they have made

its a much different path you take now a days, and you dont have broken gear to complete everything easily

[true talon]

yea, i started a new iron when waiting for colo, i ended up de-ironing it to try an make it a main. since it had firecape an fully quested b gloves and stuff. but then i didnt wanna train with base 60/70 melees lmao.

[dry pond]

So did the pet reclaim thing get abolished already, or is that just a coming soon kind of thing?

I feel like I haven't seen anything that actually confirmed "this has been implemented now"

[true talon]

its coming with poll 85 which ash said is after varl part 3

[shadow wave]

Knew I was right to hold into my synapse

[tender harness]

It can be really difficult to compare content like-for-like. We expect the earlier levels to be an introduction to the boss and its mechanics, which might pose a challenge to less-experienced players, whilst later levels bring with it notable spikes in difficulty and more-challenging mechanics that will test even the best players.```
ahh yes ambiguity

[upper ice]

lol

[true talon]

Looks like it will be how we envision, fairly easy till later levels with 6 being one of the biggest difficulty spikes, since it has the pet roll. i expect this to be basically be like colo.

[hasty shard]

im expecting literally just yama

[true talon]

8 will prob have more skill based avoidable damage, but more punishment if you mess up.

[upper ice]

Demonbane 😴

[true talon]

Whats wrong with demonbane?

[hasty shard]

giant shielded bug you know for a fact its purging bis

[upper ice]

Nothing

Last boss was demonbane

[hasty shard]

snoooooze

[upper ice]

Guess that’s just 2025

[true talon]

good, purging got no content.

Well they made 3 bis demonbane weps, it wouldnt have a point in them existing if you didnt relase more demons to kill.

As someone who owns all 3 megas, i dont have an issue with megas not being giga bis on literally everything.

[hasty shard]

i dont think synapse weapons really needed to exist is the thing

but w/e

[small anvil]

Didn't they say somewhere you could bank between levels?

I thought

[tacit wharf]

dont recall them saying

[small anvil]

Hmm

Ok

[tender harness]

ambiguious about difficulty, says nothing about the loot outside of uniques

delves are gonna be fine

[hasty shard]

oh it's 100% another nightmare scenario

[tender harness]

also I didnt even notice theres a death fee

[small anvil]

There's always death fees

That's nothing surprising

[hasty shard]

thing drops mage bowfa and the most bis bis item to exist you are NOT getting drops for hourssss

[tender harness]

The quantities of basic loot remain relatively consistent, however, which means that no matter how long you survive you won’t be overloaded with general resources.
surely this doesnt mean loot is shit right

right?

[small anvil]

It does

[hasty shard]

entry tob loot

[hasty shard]

oh and conflictions

[tender harness]

I want delves to be good, but like if common drops are a kick in the nuts hehe DT2

like why bother with delves after uniques

[small anvil]

Because uniques will be expensive

[tender harness]

OH BOY think of all the pizza drops

[hasty shard]

ok but could we literally just get an actual gwd droptable for once

[shadow wave]

I mean that sounds like a GWD drop table

Fuck all apart from uniques

[tender harness]

17 bronze chains

much fun

much gwd

[hasty shard]

gwd table in question:

[tender harness]

GWD at home

[shadow wave]

If it's of that level I think that'd be fine

[ember token]

them telling us the standard loot is mostly unchanged with the delve level obviously means that the loot is bad, there's no other way to interpret it of course

[hasty shard]

or we get a like 0 mechanic arch glacor farming tier boss

which would be funny

[dusk surge]

Hope not

[tender harness]

arch glacor

[dusk surge]

😂 I want a 2k enrage mode

[hasty shard]

they should port arch glacor honestly

its like the perfect mix of misery for osrs

[dusk surge]

Think the next boss after this will have the enrage feature

[chilly portal]

ive never played rs3 so not fought it but ive seen videos of it, and ur just being an arse with that suggestion lol

but tbh could be interesting

[hasty shard]

ive only done like 3 mechanic ag cause i cba actually playing rs3

[true talon]

duck no, those tables suck

[hasty shard]

and nightmare/dt2 is fine

/ vorkath

[tender harness]

add dragon arrows at 1/65,364 drop rate

for 1 singular arrow

[true talon]

I think the qaunity is unchanged, doesnt mean the loot will be bad.

[ember token]

yeah I was being sarcastic as everyone else was somehow interpreting it as jagex saying the loot sucks

[chilly portal]

this is defenitly wat id get alot of tbh worthless and rare

[true talon]

If it dont have dragon arrows, ill be sad 😦 i dunno what cartel is holding jagex hostage to protect dragon arrows.

[hasty shard]

there is the implication that delve boss is a quest boss
and first delve is likely just what you do in said quest

[shadow wave]

If delve 8 fights are say 2-4 minutes and drop GWD boss tier common loot then I think that'd be pretty okay assuming unique drops are relatively "common"

[true talon]

Meanwhile d bolts, d darts and dragon javlins are plenitful, but d arrows nah??

[hasty shard]

so it having late game boss tier commons would be a bit unhealthy

[chilly portal]

thats wat is sounded like

[true talon]

i mean colo wave 2 drops like 4 rune kites lol

[chilly portal]

but could also work like vorkath and ds2 u get a weak version during the quest get endgame afterwards

[true talon]

difficulty and tables never make sense, its why a lot of content that is seen as difficult is often not popular.

Phosani for example is a rather difficult encounter and you fight it for 6 minutes to get 21 bass or 13 unoted p pots or 55 mith ore

[hasty shard]

they need to tweak colo's droptable more tbh

its silly they kept splinters on wave 1 at all

[true talon]

d arrows shouldnt be 1/50+ on higher waves

[hasty shard]

sub 300gp now

[true talon]

yea wave 1 splinters is cringe

[small anvil]

Because good common loot means profit is crazy when the uniques are valuable

[chilly portal]

hey i plan on farming those wave 1 splinters for prayer training in the future lol

[hasty shard]

dt2 tables feel like they were pulled out of a gacha game its so inconsistent 😭

[vital ridge]

what delve level do we think the uniques are gonna be available from?

[chilly portal]

3 or 4

[tender harness]

starts at like 3 or 4? they laid it out in one of the blogs I thought

[vivid ruin]

You mean you have 0 need to bother picking up bronze javelins?!

[minor whale]

Hopefully something like 3 for gauntlets, 4 for eye, 5 for boots

[tender harness]

watch eye be 8

[true talon]

Why is it 1/6 on wave 9 and 12 but 1/50-1/60 on wave 10/11??

[shadow wave]

I think the charges for the eye will be 1, 3 for eye, 5 for gauntlets and boots

[minor whale]

I wouldn't mind tbh, the eye is extremely good

[hasty shard]

watch boots be common 😭

[shadow wave]

Gauntlets and boots are the money item, I think they want eye to be comparatively more common

[hasty shard]

remind me to like lock the boot slot in bank

[vital ridge]

this was my thinking

[hasty shard]

just killing the boss charges eye too doesnt it?

[true talon]

Im be real the base loot is the only reason im revisiting content as an ironman after the uniques. if the table produces nothing of value then im not gonna do it.

[shadow wave]

You get drops that can be used instead of runes

You also have the option to use runes to charge the staff too

[hasty shard]

ye demon tears, but didnt they also say kc gives charges

[ember token]

yes

[true talon]

I think uniques wont show up till wave 4/5 with the pet being 6

pet is often the ceiling

[vital ridge]

the blog says weapon can be charged with runes OR tears

not tears only

[hasty shard]

reminder that you can get skip scrolls to go straight to like 5 delve

[shadow wave]

So it does

[hasty shard]

oml its contracts again 😭

[shadow wave]

Can you? Where was that said?

[minor whale]

I thought they removed that

[ember token]

they mentioned something to skip the first 3 levels was something they were considering, but I don't think they ever followed up on it in any later version of the reward blogs

[true talon]

Wasnt this scrapped?

Pretty sure the delve skip was scrapped along with the demon digger

[hasty shard]

im not seeing it mentioned in the blogs im looking !11

[real pine]

pls gemstone crab pet

[small anvil]

The skip was scrapped I believe

People were upset at p2w

[delicate nexus]

Doesn't it feel wierd that we've seen 0 screenshots from Varlamore part3 and we're a week out? Part 1 & 2 felt like it had a ton of previews and even Yama had a ton of stuff

[hasty shard]

id love to know what development hell they're in

[true talon]

I mean them keeping it secret is not an issue.

[hasty shard]

still not gotten oathplate redesign survey they said they'd do

[true talon]

you dont need to know absolutely everything before a content patch drops

[hasty shard]

still no music track on royal giants

[delicate nexus]

I agree we don't need to know everything, but it feels like there's no fanfare for the final major installment

[tawny tide]

I like to think they’ve had all hands on deck making slayer better for me

[quartz anchor]

Wasn't sailing PVP a big part of the initial skill conceptualization, and it was even showcased on the first sneak peek with the drive by ice barrage. So why now is it not in consideration

[tawny tide]

Probably with all the sweats backlashing sailing in general

[true talon]

because it would be stupid

[tawny tide]

Yeah getting griefed by losers would also such lmao

[true talon]

Also there is no water to sail in the wildy right now XD

were you gonna pvp at?

[quartz anchor]

With the update

[tawny tide]

Lava maze

[quartz anchor]

They will probably update something 🤔

Crazy thought

[hasty shard]

if there's space underground they can fit in the underground part of the lum river

that you canoe in

[quartz anchor]

They're adding 1000 islands and you think adding water or a pvp zone to water would be difficult

Zrazy

[tawny tide]

Zrazy

[true talon]

they arent adding 1000 islands on the first batch of sailin lol

[fading token]

The Support team's got an updated pic to put on the website when they get a chance. Thanks again.

[tawny tide]

Man I just realized how insecure the canoes must feel about sailing

Ash can you give us a sneak peek into summer sweep up 2

Will kyrstillia’s task weights get better 😔

[fading token]

Any such revelations aren't really mine to leak, I'm afraid!

[tawny tide]

But you know the info

[hard axle]

dragonkin/fremmy raid for raid 4 and all your dragon ammo woes will be solved

[tawny tide]

So you could blink twice or something

[fading token]

I generally don't know more details, tbh. But you can imagine I'm blinking if it helps 🙂

[hard axle]

question, the recent shark lures addition

[quartz anchor]

This is why we love you Ash

[hard axle]

is it confirmed that they still roll the pet?

[tawny tide]

Okay I’m locked in and imagining

Wow this is great.

I’m imagining you telling me that dust devils, jellies, nechs, and Abbys are weighted at 9.

[fading token]

There's still a pet roll if the lure is in use, yes.

[fading token]

" "

[ember token]

damn that sounds awful, i hope they dont nerf slayer like that

[true talon]

im imagining there is adjustments to the imbued heart XD

[hard axle]

ty ty

[muted chasm]

ur all noobs

[true talon]

ash why does the gem crab not have a pet 😦

[tawny tide]

Shut up noob

[small anvil]

Easy stuff doesn't deserve pets

[muted chasm]

ur a boob den

[true talon]

scurrius

[small anvil]

Crab is afk

[fading token]

Most NPCs don't, by default. And the team's been somewhat keen to keep pets uncommon. But thanks for the interest in one.

[ember token]

wait most NPCs dont give pets? I've been shearing thousands of sheep trying to get the sheep pet

[true talon]

I didnt have an intrest, i just wanted to see the pet hunters fume over having to hit a giant gem grab with 100m hp to get 1 more pet.

[tawny tide]

Ash has that bless your heart energy

[hard axle]

oh no, this would be fine because afk

would actually be great if that was the only pet

[tawny tide]

Would have sworn he’s a southern gramma here in America

[hard axle]

im foreseeing like 3-4 pets easily

[true talon]

ash can you find the guy protecting d arrows from not existing for irons and slap his hand 😦

[ember token]

it's a wonder he manages to stay respectful when barraged with questions he doesn't know or can't give the answer to 🙂

[fading token]

That will amuse my American in-laws 🙂

[hasty shard]

i wouldnt be mad if the fletching minigame gives the forestry entling as a pet

bis pet

[fading token]

Actually, there's a trick to that. If you want to cuss someone out for being a raving noob, do it as much as you like with your voice IRL, but... don't type it.

[hard axle]

https://i.imgur.com/pwumXIH.png

drool over this

(left it to despawn)

[fossil epoch]

Man i cant wait for the summer sweep up blog in a day or 2

[true talon]

ya not a huge loss, only 300k for the main

[reef shale]

So let me get this right......Varlamore part 3 isn't going to have an achievement diary, gem crab boss isn't going to have a pet, we're not getting tempestus......wtf have yall been working on for over a year??? This is gross AF

[jolly peak]

Stoked for sailing, sailing quickly became one of my favorite lifeskills in BDO. Anyone have an ETA for release

[true talon]

People who think i want d ammo sources, because i dont actually have any. the reason i dont use it, is because its so difficult to obtain that its not worth it and once your out thats it. imagine having my boss kc an producing less than 30k d arrows total over my account lifetime, last year i had 66k ameythst and now i have 21k. so it would take about 1 year to burn twice as much as ive earned vs the many years ive played.

[obsidian venture]

[small anvil]

Delve boss, quests, fletching mini game

There other stuff lol

[tacit wharf]

fall sometime

[jolly peak]

Hell yeah brother

[tacit wharf]

unless its been pushed back

[hard axle]

delve, quests, minigame, summer sweep up/qol update

yama was snuck into poll/production out of the blue

[ember token]

and they said from the beginning that tempestus wasn't gonna be a part of p3

[small anvil]

(idk what tempestus even is)

Diary also was signaled as an eventually

[ember token]

it's a city on an island north of the rainforest

not a big thing

[hard axle]

And if you want to say shit like "different teams different projects, so why no varlamore shit", that's often not true in the corporate sense because people get dragged on/off of projects all the time.

[small anvil]

We're getting so many islands soon with sailing lol

[ember token]

it's floating on the water and it's got canals and stuff so presumably theyre gonna do something with sailing for it

[hard axle]

It's like how GIM release pushed back Leagues and what not.

Shit all impacts each other

[ember token]

and it makes no sense to add an achievement diary for it now when it'll already be out of date in year or 2

makes sense to save it for later, possibly with an entire diary update

[tawny tide]

You are so annoying

[ember token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994318137652682868/1267450216387444767/image0.gif

[tawny tide]

That’s just not nice ash 😔 I’m doing my best

[small anvil]

Your best isn't cutting it

[warm gust]

Saw a osrs news popup thought it was the p2 of summer summit.
Got baited hard but a good read anyhow 😉

[fossil epoch]

Tomorrow or in 2 days

[tawny tide]

Same my friend. Same.

[oblique mesa]

No FAQ about moonlight antelope fur, I'm still hitting the copium hard that p3 will have a use

[tawny tide]

I bought 18000 on my alt

[restive sapphire]

I mean fr varlamore does deserve an achievement diary we shouldnt have to wait for the next expansion 4 years after this was released

[fading token]

Other parts of it, including a boss, a Fletching update and some quests. I'm sorry it doesn't have lots more things besides those.

[fading token]

Didn't necessarily mean you - there are always raving noobs on the internet 😛

[small anvil]

necessarily

[true talon]

What you mean? its got a lot of stuff.

[tawny tide]

Well bless my heart.

[small anvil]

Ash good at the lawyer speak 🙂

[true talon]

delves is a massive update, prob on par with inferno/colo

[tawny tide]

Tbh I feel like if Krystillia’s task list wasn’t changing, ash would tell us. So I’m hyped af.

[ember token]

regardless of what's changing, Ash wouldn't tell us because it's not his thing, he might not necessarily even know, and there's a blog coming out for it very soon anyways

[fading token]

As for a diary, considering the legacy design where diaries stay "complete" once you've completed them, it'd maybe be awkward to have a diary before Tempestus lands, since anything in Tempestus couldn't appear in the diary without players having to re-complete it.
A diary redesign project might be welcome, and a colleague even pitched it for Game Jam, but I don't see it being completed anytime soon 😦

[tawny tide]

Wow huge help buddy thanks. pat pat

[small anvil]

Oh I didn't realize diaries stayed complete.

I guess they're older and things like combat achievements are newer

I suppose kandarin hard flip flopping might cause issues

[tawny tide]

Tbh if they did a diary reset I wouldn’t bat an eye

[ember token]

a diary refresh would be great but on the other hand i can see it not really being worth the time

[tawny tide]

They’re just very silly

[small anvil]

Hmm I think diaries is a thing a lot of players engage with tbf

They're very common goalposts

For midgame players

[tawny tide]

I mean it’s something to do in midgame

Yeah

[fading token]

Indeed - Combat Achievements were designed from the outset to expand as new content landed. But the Karamja diary already existed in the 2007 archive from which OSRS was taken, and the other diaries were made consistent with its legacy design.

[tawny tide]

I just think the rewards need updated

[small oyster]

the difference between hards and elites is crazy ngl

[tawny tide]

Oh interesting

So Kandy is kinda stuck

[tawny tide]

So many hards are huge unlocks

Elites aren’t as motivating

[fossil epoch]

Big Achievement diary overhaul update would be nice do to alongside varlamore diary whenever thats coming

[ember token]

if there was any time to do it, it'd be with a new diary yea

[small anvil]

I feel like pain points being lowered would actually make people annoyed if they did them

[tawny tide]

Kandarin could just stay as a homage to the imperfect bullshit of 2007

[small anvil]

It's not the same as new XP methods

[tawny tide]

Doesn’t have to be lowered painpoints

[small anvil]

There's some really silly things like 1k chompies

[tawny tide]

But why am I barehanding a shark in morytania

[small anvil]

I feel they'd be tempted to do so

[tawny tide]

It’s not even flavorful

Lower that one for sure lol

[small anvil]

No

[tawny tide]

And so many diaries want me to be able to smith rune

[small anvil]

The level reqs are good things imo

[tawny tide]

I don’t want to smith rune

[true talon]

Personally i think the diary design is much better than ca design, main reason is because CA's is a endless grind that just moves the goal post an doesnt provide any additional benefit. while diaries are one time completetions an the rewards stick with your account forever.

[small anvil]

It gives people goals

[lilac void]

could do what they did in rs3 and make another tier

[tawny tide]

Maybe I’m communicating poorly. I agree with you

[small anvil]

Goals that people direct their play towards is good

[tawny tide]

96 fishing is a silly req though

[ember token]

I'm getting close to master tier CAs and i'm definitely not really looking forward to having to upkeep it

[tawny tide]

When lumby just wants 88 smithing

[small oyster]

I think the requirements would be fine for a master tier, but not really elites, praying for the rework

[true talon]

no it doesnt, it gives you a hamster wheel to chase and you try to unlock the benefits you previously had lol.

[fossil epoch]

Some skills used to and also today are trained at a very different pace, that determines a lot aswell tbh

[fading token]

Imagine designing the diaries to lead the player to useful features of the area, so that the diary becomes a teaching tool (with rewards). Some of the tasks are like that, but others feel to me like the dev just picked a high-level skill activity and said "go stand on that tower and do it there".

[small anvil]

I do think an extra tier of diaries might be the play, but idk what rewards would be

[tawny tide]

“Go shoot 1000 dumb birds”

[fading token]

Yet the game expands over time, and gets new combat challenges to achieve.

[small anvil]

Kq head, chompies,

Idk I'm kinda ok with elite being a bit silly

[lilac void]

I think every diary should make you light a fire in some obsure place

[fossil epoch]

Surely Varrock Elite diary should now have "Wield a golden clogging staff"

[true talon]

ya but there is no additional reward to completeting the new tier, your just getting your zuk helm back lol.

[fading token]

The ultimate case of that being "Get a Slayer cape" 😛

[true talon]

You cant really do a new tier as you already capped it at GM tier

[fading token]

Yeah, like how you might get your quest cape back every time a new quest comes out, rather than having the "Cape of Completing the First 170 Quests But Not The Ones That Came Out Later", which is how diaries feel to me.

[true talon]

Difference in this situtation is your doing the new quest for the rewards, not really to get the cape back.
CA's is your doing CA's to get your previous rewards and benefits back.

[fading token]

I see. Thanks for clarifying the difference to you.

[reef shale]

The things you guys are releasing is great! No complaints for that! And Varlamore is probably my favorite land mass, but Ash...brother....you guys took time to make a dual wielded weapon that nobody above 60 cmbt will use, and a monster to get it from.....but couldn't make a crab pet? 😅

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/himym-lawyered-marshall-owned-rekt-gif-4860406

[tawny tide]

Maracas?

[small anvil]

I do feel that quest cape probably should allow some quests to be after it. Dt2 is pretty end game feeling and it's a great quest. But if you push past that, lumby elite ends up even harder and harder

[tawny tide]

People under lvl 60 matter too

[true talon]

I do think the achievement diaries could be done better as yea it was a system designed to get high skill requirements then go do this thing in this area.

[small anvil]

Not a hard cutoff, just some post quest cape quests at some point

[fading token]

Content for people other than you, perhaps 😛
I'm glad you like a lot of what you're getting, anyway, even if it doesn't have that pet 🙂

[true talon]

but CA's is not a good system either due to the endless hamster wheel of getting back what you previously had lol.

[small oyster]

The diary should just not be tied to the quest cape IMO

[tawny tide]

I think the cutoff for pets should be GGs

If it’s harder than them it gets a pet

[lilac void]

Although tbh it would be kinda cool to light a brazier or something to permanently change the world (for you) as part of a diary

[tawny tide]

Gimmee Yababy

Yason

[small anvil]

I'm fine with the current requirements, if we get a quest harder than dt2 I think it might be something worth considering

[reef shale]

Thats valid, I suppose ive been in the late game so long that ive lost connection with early game items, fair point.

[fading token]

Well, the love of pets is fair enough, anyway 🙂

[tawny tide]

Oh yami is a thing

[hard axle]

yeah because they keep the rewards to mostly pet hunting buffs and shifting rewards off

[fading token]

Or of crabs.

[tawny tide]

Shows what i know

[small anvil]

Lumby elite quest cape is one of the (only?) diary reqs that gets harder over time

[fading token]

Anyway, I gotta be off. Thanks for the diary/CA/pet chat, everyone.

[true talon]

Ya i dunno how they fix that, it was designed in a way to be a endless hamster wheel and if you take like 5 years off you will come back at elite tier with 500 CA's to do.

[reef shale]

You're the g.o.a.t mate dont ever forget it

[azure burrow]

so are tormented synapse weapons gonna be BIS for new boss maybe since its demonic?

[true talon]

We all love mod ash

[hard axle]

minigames having pets is fine, but it shouldn't be a buyable that consumes existing resources.

For example, Wintertodt consumes in-minigame resources and that makes sense, but MH consumes actual planks.

[small anvil]

Thanks for taking the time ash

[hard axle]

ty for confirming shark lrue again

[hard axle]

you will never drop back down to elite tier

there's not that many gm tasks that it will ever happen

[small anvil]

Log out for 200 years

[hard axle]

even if u compared on-release CA tasks to now

[true talon]

I feel they will be competitive.

[hard axle]

you would be master tier at lowest

[small anvil]

Log back in "wtf im beginner now"

[hard axle]

[true talon]

what do you mean, when they add any CA's the goal post moves. if your GM tier an take 5 years off the goal post will move you down to elite tier.

[earnest vigil]

im okay with that

[hard axle]

all the way down to elite tier?

[earnest vigil]

a player who hasnt played in 5 years is probably elite-tier

[hard axle]

Definitely not

[azure burrow]

makes sense. guess we will have to see. i guess ill buy a couple just in case

[hard axle]

We haven't added enough GM/Master tasks for that to happen afaik

[true talon]

its not just gm an master tasks that move the goal post

any tasks they add

moves the goal posts

The points to reach a tier does not remain static

[hard axle]

Maybe you're speaking in hypotheticals, but in 4 or so years, I don't think we've added enough GM/Master task for a GM tier to drop all the way down to Elite tier

[true talon]

Brother its not just gm or master tasks lol

[hard axle]

You're not getting what I'm saying

[earnest marsh]

I wonder if you should make very good skilling updates, but locked behind elite diary's for example, as it will fight against bots

[hard axle]

Since 2021 release, a Zuk Helm back then would still be Master Tier today

not Elite Tier

The goalpost shifts, yes

[true talon]

Currently at 1917 points i would need to lose 880 points to drop to elite tier

[hard axle]

But it doesn't shift that drastically

[small anvil]

You can't claim to be a master if you haven't done the new content

[true talon]

as im little bit into GM tier

[small anvil]

It's totally fine

[true talon]

to lose 900 points there would need to be 15 content releases that each required 60 total points.

[small anvil]

The bar doesn't rise by the total points

You would need beginner-elite ca to be worth that many points

To fall below the bar

That's gonna take legit 30 years

[hard axle]

Yeah like, even with the insane amount of content we've been getting, we've only went from ~400 -> 610, and most of these tasks are really low tier ones

[hasty shard]

ca rebalance when

[hard axle]

Most of the high level tasks come from lategame and endgame content, but even then, there aren't that many lol

[small anvil]

The thing that would push people down is new raids

There's so many raid cas

But like, it's a good thing!

That people get pushed down

[half cosmos]

The UK worlds are so friggin horrendous since the last server update

Constant rubber banding

[normal tiger]

anybody else having awful lag issues iwht uk worlds?

[small anvil]

The message above you lol

[normal tiger]

ah

yeah

this shit is so ass

[vivid ruin]

I personally feel like its a problem with the servers across the board

[normal tiger]

maybe

[vivid ruin]

And it all started when they had that adjustment a month ago or so

[normal tiger]

but im tobbing with my uk teammates and my ping is 160 now instead of ~90

which wasn't the case like 3 days ago

[tawny tide]

I’m thought it was just a bad signal but yeah I was noticing issue

[normal tiger]

yeah it's really inconsistent as well

sometimes it'll jump up to like 2t delay

[hard axle]

the uk wolrds are fucking awful

I just did a few BA runs and it was like 800 ping

I had to adjust the timing constantly to multi-kill shit

[earnest marsh]

idk, im doing sep on german worlds, and some few lag there and there

kinda had it since changed backend

no one else has it, but idk

i only have it in osrs soo

blighted super restores ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[ember token]

well, at least that's the point of blighted stuff, to be cheap

[earnest marsh]

i agree, but 5x cheaper then non bligthed?

[normal tiger]

why are they crashing

[ember token]

soul wars crates

[earnest marsh]

castle wars creates aswell

removed most loot and changed it to blighted stuff

[ember token]

the way you gotta look at is it's better the price of blighted items tank over anything else that used to be on the soul wars crate loot table

[nocturne kernel]

Any pk clans owners want to set up an F2P war?

[ember token]

#1170031603439910953

[frail bough]

Also have to remember that blighted can literally only be used in wildy, everything else can be used everywhere else.

[oblique mesa]

Eh you can use blighted on pvp worlds, its good for instanced bossing on irons / budget

[earnest marsh]

if avrage osrs playe could decide which content was being added

how would osrs look like?

[ember token]

exactly the same because that's what the polling system is

players already get to decide what is added and 99% of stuff passes

[earnest marsh]

well i mean

lpayers decide what osrs can make

not what they make

[ember token]

if you're saying what if they had full creative control then the game would just get turned into leagues over time

[earnest marsh]

off ye

[oblique mesa]

Just look at the castle wars crates

[vivid ruin]

I believe he is talking about setting up a clan war lol

[ember token]

yeah, he can look for other pk clans there

[exotic barn]

Is the delve going to be solo content?

[ember token]

yes

[true talon]

considering they can only be used in wildy/pvp worlds thsi is good.

[sterile hearth]

Not adding a jewel crab pet is a big miss

[winged mantle]

Was really hoping it was a pet

[true talon]

its ok delve has a pet

[tacit wharf]

not every thing needs a pet, even less for an afk focused training method

[winged mantle]

Add it to the olm transmog 👀

New crab

[cloud rain]

Lets go Petscape

[sterile breach]

anyone happen to know the exact time varlamore finale launched on July 23rd?

[tacit wharf]

probalby same time as all other updates

[earnest marsh]

Ye I think we have to many pets

[hard axle]

Hear me out, we trade Moxi’s garbage ass pet for afk crab pet?

[celest sentinel]

Chances they expand the list & improve the mechanics for slayer boss tasks in the slayer sweep up? I really hope they do

[plush gull]

why do pride items fully delete on pvm death

😠

[tawny tide]

Nobody knows anything

Especially considering they won’t drop this fucking blog

[still sundial]

today does seem like a good day to drop a new summer sweep-up blog

[earnest marsh]

Yep

Wish we get bot world where they will not get banned playing on it ever

Well to be fair, most bots dont get banned

Even if they get banned, they already have full stock of bots accounts

[minor whale]

Every ping that isn't slayer blog hurts me physically

Come the fuck on lmao

[true talon]

Dangit, jebaited by news again lol

[crystal gate]

LATAM servers wen

[obsidian venture]

Tmrw surely

[tawny tide]

I am so upset it hasn’t happened

Must be some controversial shit they’re arguing lol

What is the most controversial thing that could drop in this blog

Cerberus lvl 88

Hydra 89 👀

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/itve18-itve-hl2-half-life-in-the-end-gif-26248998

New go to gif

Who made this lol

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-linkin-park-speech-bubble-gif-26402752

[true talon]

If they moved the bosses down it free's up the upper lvls for new content, not a bad idea tbh lol.
They need to do this for all skills, move a lot of requirements to craft things down quite a bit as to free up reward space at the higher lvls.

Like 99 shouldnt make rune plates??

Really mad we still dont got a dark beast boss lol

[tawny tide]

Unfortunately they’ll never change this one

But I think the slayer one makes a lot of sense and there would be less backlash

[hasty shard]

i saw someone propose that you can craft stuff at earlier levels BUT it takes more bars which sounds cool

[analog crow]

So rune plate at 85 smith but it costs 25 bars?
Dunno who that would be for though.

[true talon]

Well our skilling needs a revamp for sure, there is no actual room to improve on anything. as the previous devs basically capped it. its an ancient system. back when runeplate meant something in runescape classic XD

[tawny tide]

Me

Diaries and never touch smithing again lol

[true talon]

mean rune being the highest ore is kinda cringe, its main purpose nowadays is to make alchables on ironman lol

[tawny tide]

It’s really funny how tight they had to squeeze zenyte in

[true talon]

yea an then the upgrades rancour is lower than the torture lmao

because they had no room

[tawny tide]

That’s how crafting should be imo

Reasonable lvl requirements for crafting things from boss drops

Have the gate be the boss not crafting lvl

[true talon]

I mean i feel the crafting lvl for certain things is to high. like 80 for a glory? 90 for a fury?

These all made sense 15 years ago, because there was nothing better than a fury.

[tawny tide]

It truly is but also stuff like that changing was the slippery slope that made people come here from rs3

So devs have to play within those boundaries or people freak the fuck out

[true talon]

No rs3 failed due to EOC, they changed the core mechanics of the gameplay and tried to be come a keybind system like wow.

then they slammed it full of micro transactions

Revamping the skill lvls to produce things wouldnt have an impact on the game as much as changing its combat did.

[tawny tide]

Right but I can see the logic that that stuff doesn’t happen if you nip “easyscape” in the bud.

[true talon]

Easyscape is a fallacy argument created by people who dont like change

[tawny tide]

I put it in quotes bro

[true talon]

oh ok lol

[tawny tide]

I do think there’s a balance though.

They really need to put out a 2007scape game that never ever changes and if you hate sailing just go play that