game-update

[true talon]

or sailing, if it has an heavy GP cost

[fossil epoch]

it doesnt seem like its gonna be heavy gp, just have some though. few planks but seems minimal

gp prices for bankspace does increase quite a lot though by the end

[worthy hazel]

Do eclectics give scroll boxes?

[austere mulch]

Yup

[worthy hazel]

I get the warning though

Bug?

[vivid ruin]

If you're getting a warning you probably already have max in bank

[worthy hazel]

I have 0 in bank

[vivid ruin]

Hmmmm

[worthy hazel]

I have 1 in my inv and my medium clue cap is 4

[vivid ruin]

You search "scroll box"?

[worthy hazel]

No mediums sir

[vivid ruin]

Theyre called scroll box now

[worthy hazel]

I think it might be because I have an open medium clue

[worthy hazel]

Well aware

But it's definitely a bug

[vivid ruin]

Ahh

[austere mulch]

Def a bug, bc on update I opened imps to get boxes with one of each clue in bank (all 0 steps competed)

And it let me get scroll boxes till I hit the cap

[worthy hazel]

So no warning when you have only box then?

Nice I'll just do that for now

[austere mulch]

Nah I got the warning wether I had just the boxes or the boxes + open scroll

[worthy hazel]

Ah damn

[austere mulch]

But my open scrolls were all 0 steps

[worthy hazel]

Right right

[austere mulch]

Bc master trade ins but ye

Send the report angle unfort

[trim cedar]

Will the soul war update that came out this week regarding the loot remain the same or will it be improved?

[chrome lantern]

Hopefully they just finally delete the minigame and island

[sacred oracle]

i'm not sure how anyone can answer this question, since it's asking about the future and as players, we have no real way of knowing what the devs are going to do unless there's a blog post

and there hasn't been one

perhaps it will be improved if there's a reason to?

[true talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133615957844168764/1390486630015569980/image.png?ex=686a6956&is=686917d6&hm=f80513b573daebeb48fe46eb946ee9aab6b50b743c183cf5ffbfd87e2f9f607a&

Loot seems fine to me

As an iron it sucks to lose the early gp, but that place was drastically absurd and the price of soul runes are kinda insane since they yeeted those crates.

[jovial sentinel]

It doesnt really 'suck' to lose problem moneymakers as an iron. Theres plenty of good progression without the minigame rewards.

Just delete all the money from them.

[bleak saffron]

I owe the devs an apology... i was quite against this version of stackable clues because i thought it was worthless to people farming clues, and only a small qol thing for the casual cluer. Turns out after some testing, im almost 50% fasterwith my clues now

[obsidian venture]

Anything you changed with how you approached clues?

[buoyant creek]

I feel like Nex is not functioning as intended. The fight feels so much worse and doesn't appear to reflect the changes posted

Has anyone else noticed this?

[bleak saffron]

Instead of keeping my inv loadout with freezing the items i dump it all, spamclick to open a bunch of implings. Get 5 clue boxes, get my loadout back out ans solve them in 1 go without banking. Speeds up opening imps and not as much wasted time banking

[obsidian venture]

Ah that's nice yeah

[ember token]

definitely something changed with Nex as I've been hearing there's a bug where the cough is cleared from everyone when she starts the final phase

[buoyant creek]

The predictable melee/mage is not working as intended and she feels like she has twice the defense in final phase.

It's awful now

[earnest marsh]

so as long as its goes faster? its good

sus

next 5 years, we reducdeing clues step by 50% ?

sure

clues is very popular, why are we changing it xD

[sacred oracle]

what

[wispy current]

https://tenor.com/view/df-he-dont-gaf-me-when-i-blue-jelly-blob-gif-4578958781231696766

[obsidian venture]

[shell lava]

I’ve got a 7 steps master clue where I didnt have the crystal axe aaaaargh

Not doing those anymore

[chrome lantern]

You don't need a crystal axe for any master clues though

[ember token]

you can use the crystal axe as an alternative for the step that requires a dragon axe

[earnest marsh]

New scorpia uniqe can be new boots that has decent stats but have an effect that reduces binding spells by 50-75%

[true talon]

thats pretty busted lol

Means everyone without those boots will be at a disadvantage and scorpia dont even need a new unique its perfectly fine were its at.

[earnest marsh]

How is it prefecatly fine?

[true talon]

its perfectly fine after the drop table buffs

[earnest marsh]

Litterly a wildy braindead safe course a bit to the left is better gp hour

No risk

Well i guess it is

XD

[true talon]

well the scorpia fight is bad and the boss location is bad

[earnest marsh]

So we should Nerf all reworked bosses hard then?

[true talon]

but the loot is good

[earnest marsh]

And at least they have very good unqie

Worse then killing zombie pirates in budget sheet gear

Ye don't need a buff

[true talon]

Giving it a unique wont bring it past the gp/h you want lol

[earnest marsh]

But you said the loot was fine

[true talon]

it is

[earnest marsh]

How?

[true talon]

the fight is not fine, because of the scorpions healers

get rid of those and fight will be much better

[earnest marsh]

Sure, same logic can be taking away akkha shadows

Would be slot easyer

The only mechanic scorpia has is healers

[true talon]

yea and its bad

[earnest marsh]

Ye true

Only viable way to kill scorpia nowdays is outdps healers

Efficent

But then again

No one would do scorpia for the sheet drop table

There no pkers there because no one would ever do scorpia other then ca

Well to be fair

It feels like alot of bosses nowdays are just dead content

[true talon]

Ehh not everything has to be relevent forever

also most bosses in osrs are somewhat useful or profitable

outside of like the deranged arch

Most bosses have some reason to kill them

[earnest marsh]

I would just never do scorpia for the drops

[true talon]

no1 does its mainly for the pet

[earnest marsh]

Scorpio is proboly the least killed boss

Gotta have high mage, good gear

And be in +50 wildy multi

For measly 2m an hour

[chrome lantern]

I don't even think every boss needs to be viable tbh, but 2m/hr is a decent moneymaker all considered

Adds variety to wildy slayer and good for pet hunters

Really the real tragedy is the mal ward not being better than mage's book

[slender vapor]

They still need to buff eldinis F to be worth the effort

Mage offhands are a sad state of affairs

[chrome lantern]

Yep

[earnest marsh]

they new gunalets is busted

would it worth farming before shadow, is a diffrent question

[chrome lantern]

Almost definitely, considering the Eye exists and comes from there to get your shadow with, and also that they all but confirmed it would be a crush-weak demon and therefore not likely to need a shadow there at all

[hard axle]

kick it up to +10% or +12% fortified and that seems like a logical step up from tomes 10%

[jovial sentinel]

Problem is, noone will vote for that, because very few people want wildy content

Like, the boss can stay non relevant. If we need a mage offhand, we can get one out of wildy.

[ember token]

are we really saying corp is wildy content

like that's the issue with corp and not that the boss and the drop rates just suck

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it's not wildy content at all

If you mean what I said about ward

Malediction ward

Then I sorta get what you mean

But also

Like VW exists so we're well past that lmao

It doesn't even need to be that significant, but it shouldn't be -3 acc compared to mage book

[hard axle]

since when does ward f have anything to do with wildy

[thick beacon]

feel like eye and gauntlets will solve alot of problems for pre shadow magic already personally

[thick beacon]

just my take but delve is demonbane demonbane weps are way closer to mega rares then bowfa/whip/trident are to mrares

items are juiced

[earnest marsh]

True

Hopefully we can like make the staff permanent right?

With maybe like 100k bloods?

Tears

[slender vapor]

It's gonna suck runes so hard it makes most weapons blush

[earnest marsh]

It's not to bad for what they show

[earnest marsh]

2 death and one chaos

And better dps then sanguie

[ember token]

aren't there like 3 different ways to charge it?

runes, demon tears(?), or having it in your inventory when you kill the boss

[earnest marsh]

No idea about the last one

But it use demons tears yes

[thick beacon]

thats alot for a 3t wep but tears are insane fr

arent many magic weapons that even have a free option

[earnest marsh]

Its very good wtf

[thick beacon]

ye its insane its close to shadow at chambers

dps wise

[earnest marsh]

Like its 3 tick and 7 less max hit

Better dps then shadow at low defence monsters it seems like

[earnest marsh]

What about vs bofwa?

And with the new gaunlet

It will make it pretty damn good

[thick beacon]

bowfa is not nearly that good dps wise its just comfy item

[earnest marsh]

Skip bofwa angle kekw

Expensive tho sadly

But maybe corrupt?

Then its possibol

But what you going to kill td with

[thick beacon]

bowfa still to good imo on iron

[earnest marsh]

Yee sadlife

Occult so late game also

[thick beacon]

good magic wep doesint really replace a range wep

gl eyeing or shadowing olm head phase

[earnest marsh]

True

I guess you can grind aramdyl crossbow, but aids ye

[hasty shard]

i have a crack theory that this will somehow be better dps than shadow at wisp

[earnest marsh]

Proboly the only alternative bofwa skip but it's bad

[hasty shard]

i have nothing at all to support this it would just be funny

[earnest marsh]

Ehh, as long you dont have max, it should be

[slender vapor]

It'll be better than shadow for most people*

*because people can't afford shadow

[ember token]

You can charge this staff using Demon Tears or Runes. It’ll also charge passively if you have one in your Inventory when defeating The Doom of Mokhaiotl. Uncharging the staff will give you whatever you put in, and Demon Tears are prioritised for consumption over Runes.

i forgot how many proposals and updates there were to the osto-ayak rewards

I completely forgot there was an occult upgrade in there at one point

[earnest marsh]

Also wondering how the mokhaiotl normal drop table will be

As people porboly ain't going to farm it only for tears after uniqes

[ember token]

i can already tell you that it'll drop a teleport directly to the boss

guaranteed

[earnest marsh]

Ye

[slender vapor]

It's gonna drop more potion mixes and food

[earnest marsh]

Overload 😮

[slender vapor]

30 noted pineapple pizzas

[earnest marsh]

Raid 4 we proboyl will see a bowfa alternative

Who knows

How long have the Ironman community begged to Nerf bowfa or make an alternative

[frail bough]

doubt

[slender vapor]

Only bowfa copers are crying for alternatives

[earnest marsh]

True

[slender vapor]

Irons do have alternatives. Ammo is just ass

[earnest marsh]

True "bad" alternatives

Gl useing Eclipse on 1k demonic gorrilas and td 😛

Worse dps, and so bad upkeep

Like I would say the progression is way more clean if you delete bowfa

[slender vapor]

Better than the old blowpipe upkeep that was expected for irons

[slender vapor]

Shit*

The word you're looking for is shit

[earnest marsh]

Hmm ye, gotta make an weapon between Eclipse and tbow

From a boss you need gear to fight

[earnest marsh]

Ye, I proboly gonna ingore zulrah to good gear like eye of arrak and nox hally kekw

Blowpipe is just niche nowdays that has upkeep

Proboly ain't worth it untill you have tbow

Honestly

With the new staff coming, zulrah even less relevant

[ember token]

what bosses do irons even have to kill at this point

[warm storm]

blowpipe isn't niche at all lol

you're gonna be using it constantly at tob until scythe

[earnest marsh]

True

Who does tob nowdays

[slender vapor]

Moons, barrows, dks, zulrah, raids, CG, most slayer bosses, muspah if you get a heart drop, Yama, bandos, Sara, wildy bosses, 50 vorkath, vard, firecape/inferno, colo, mole

[ember token]

yeah thats crazy, ironman is basically easy mode at this point, they dont even have to kill difficult bosses like the chaos fanatic

[slender vapor]

Zammy can be post ToA now

For dhl

[earnest marsh]

https://www.ladlorchart.com/index.html

[earnest marsh]

Ehh short grind to get a decent weapon to grind wildy bosses with

Before toa

[slender vapor]

Lb+scobo go brr

[earnest marsh]

True

Porboly alot will change with Slayer rework

Who knowd

[frail bough]

how so

[earnest marsh]

We will see

Maybe nothing will change

[frail bough]

guess so, i cant imagine any unpolled changes to slayer that would change gear progressions though

and we already mostly know what they have planned laready

[slender vapor]

Maybe we get zaxe 2

Another weapon that completely changes the meta from an absurdly early easy grind

[frail bough]

as an unpolled reward from what do you think

[slender vapor]

Mostly a tongue in cheek comment, I doubt we'll see an upheaval from the slayer sweep up

[frail bough]

i guess it doesnt necessarily have to be unpolled but ye very unlikely to see something change stuff up

This was their initial list of thoughts, even just with this list slayer could feel amazing

[ember token]

idk if you guys remember the new slayer drops they proposed in project rebalance(?)

there was like a bug hammer and stuff

they could revisit those

[frail bough]

I sorta hope that they update the block list system to just be 1 time unlock to toggle a monsters blocked status and keep the cap at the 7 or w/e they have now and just let you swap between whatever you want.

Makes block system really nice - don't need to unblock/reblock based on what you're hunting, and also don't need to implement slayer boss specific block lists at all.

there are some people who like it but the whole aya/tur skipping kind of shenanigans - it feels super fucking weird for end game grinding and i personally hope the changes are at least good enough to help make that feel less "necessary"

[earnest marsh]

We do get this weapon in varlamore part 3

[frail bough]

thats mostly just thematics

[ember token]

it's not even useful really, more so exists to just complete the trio

[earnest marsh]

Yep, saw it's who handed

Damn it's so bad

[ember token]

they might make the new nagua stab weak and then they'd be useful for killing more of that nagua lol

but both sulphur and frost naguas have been crush weak

earth naguas or w/e they are will probably also be crush weak

[earnest marsh]

The new quest weapon

Seems interesting special attack

Use it before bandos godsword spec or dragon warhammer

[frail bough]

which quest weapon are you referring to, im not remembering

[earnest marsh]

Would it be worth it? Idk

[frail bough]

feels very delve boss mechanic

[earnest marsh]

Very good with bandos godsword atleast

But 100% of special attack is

Weird

[frail bough]

really interesting for nylo melee role

i mean really interesting in general if it spreads to other nylos

[earnest marsh]

Ehh porboly not

[frail bough]

even just for melee role its pretty good

does death charge work from nylos or nah

[waxen needle]

Are Stackable Clues supposed to be a thing everywhere, or are there still areas where clue bottles etc are still a thing?

[nocturne solstice]

should be everywhere

unless you havent done x marks the spot of course

[waxen needle]

I've done the quest, I get the Scroll Boxes while fly fishing but at Drift Nets it's Clue Bottles lol

[ember token]

think that's a bug

[dire mango]

The aoe is only in a 3x3 area though. And it uses 50%spec, same as dinhs which has a much larger aoe. + the burn can't kill big nylos because it's only 10dmg and it takes 24s for it to do it all. Nylos only live for 31s. Doubt it will see serious use in tob.

DC does proc off nylos yes.

[frail bough]

does dinhs work on all types or just melee?

[trail moon]

any chance the team can look into upping the max ge buy limit of snowy nights and sunlight moths (both the basic ones and the mixes)? - they are really useful items but it takes like a week to buy a stack of them

[ashen idol]

Cool idea for enemies in new content:
Monsters made of gems, like a Sapphire Crab (similar to rock/ammonite crabs) or golems, and casting the Enchant spell actually enchants them into an upgraded enemy with different loot pools. Maybe even a mechanic idea for a future boss with the new gems that are coming with sailing.
Or a new slayer creature, instead of using a rock to smash them, u use enchant spell (makes sense somehow >.>).

[nocturne solstice]

You mean like the Gemstone Crab boss coming in Varlamore P3?

[ashen idol]

oh lol didn't know that existed

[nocturne solstice]

[ashen idol]

Is enchant used on it? lmao

[nocturne solstice]

Guess the devs thought it WAS a cool idea and already started working on it

I dont think any details about the fight have been revealed as of yet

just that its a co-op boss

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/varlamore-the-final-dawn---overview?oldschool=1

Info a bit sparse but its on that blog if you wanted to check it out

[ashen idol]

Welp new suggestion >.> Enchanted version for co-op and non-enchanted version for solo/training version, but that's a bit of a stretch/lame lol (nvm just read how the boss works)

[trim elk]

Gemstone Crab was their way of getting people to get along with each other about crab afking 😂. I remember mod ash saying “Now you all can afk 1 big crab together”

[dire mango]

Just melee. But if you wanted to use the new wep on melee+something else (assuming it works that way) you'd still have to use it either as they come out of their lane (and only kill 2 for 50%spec) or kill a bunch of recently spawned splits, which is very situational to if they clump or not.

Keep in mind if you use it on a big stack of small nylos at a pillar chances are most would die by themselves before all the burn dmg applies because it takes so long.

[sacred oracle]

what are they useful for as a main?

they appear to be quite useless for mains

i may lack imagination to come up with use cases for them

[trail moon]

eating w/o having to lose dps/hits is nice - the yama fly methods make good use of them especially as you can use the xp drops/attacks to time clicks

[fossil epoch]

yeh its "brews" without stat reduction when it comes to no tick loss

[hard axle]

good speedrunning fodder

[tiny epoch]

team tickeating bloat & yama

[proud hornet]

So, idk if it's okay to ping Jmods or Server mods, but could someone pass along that Zarosian spiritual creatures got their fire weakness downgraded to a 30% air weakness? I do not think this was intended by the mods. Zarosian spiritual creatures are weak to fire because of lore reasons, like the ice demon. Hopefully this gets reverted in a future patch!

[patent ibex]

The best thing you can do is to submit a bug report in-game via the report button.

[proud hornet]

oh perfect, thank you will do

feel free to pass it along too :D But sending bug report now

[stark willow]

Can we stop coop bosses

[dire mango]

No, need more

[stark willow]

2027 more duos

[dire mango]

Third time is the charm

[fossil epoch]

Royal titans was such a good boss though, even solo its good

And Yama was decently challenging solo

[obsidian venture]

Right but RT duo was nice

Yama duo is not really doing much

Just didn't really engage the duo aspect for a "harder" boss

[fossil epoch]

content generally becomes easier when not solod, and yama becomes quite a lot easier in a duo, so i would say it is doing something

Im fine with duo content as long as its not hard blocking solos

Huey was a bad way to prevent soloing

with the prayer thing

[obsidian venture]

While that's understandable, for what was proposed as a duo boss, it really doesn't do anything besides speed up the kill

If you're going to push for an "endgame" boss that's duo focused, solos should be considerably harder

Which it isn't

Barely 2x slower in max

Hence why cox/tob still has the best engagement for team and solo play. Tob obviously being the harder one to solo but doable if you're willing to learn it

Huey was just bad all around

RT fit it's midgame niche for solo/duo content

If something is team focused, solo should be considerably harder. When they try to incoporate both it kinda falls flat (toa)

And in regards to this convo, Yama

[fossil epoch]

I just think there is a vast difference in what defines endgame for each person, so when jagex promises endgame, thats just not really a word they can use, unless they clearly defines whats early/mid/late/endgame

[jagged marsh]

i can see this crab being a really slow tekton

basically everyone attacks it on one side, occasionally it lifts its arms, and everyone has to run over to another side

then it turns

[fossil epoch]

jagex said it was gonna be an afk group boss though, doubt its gonna require you to switch sides

unless its like rare

[jagged marsh]

yeah itd be like once per kc

or something

[fossil epoch]

that could happen

[jagged marsh]

or maybe it'll literally just be a giant chicken

shoots out shard attacks in multi

bring full justi and smack it with bulwark tech mayhaps

[fossil epoch]

Nah i think its gonna be a social afk place with barely any mechanics if any, that people with like d scimmy can afk farm. Gonna be interesting to see what they end up with though.

[quick echo]

Any future plans for being able to deaths coffer contracts from yama?

[sacred oracle]

eventually, i'm sure

new content is disabled from coffer until coffer price and ge price somewhat equalize

otherwise you end up like what we had for less than a day until jagex patched it: 8m in ge to buy a contract but 52m for it in coffer

[small anvil]

How long is that gonna be though...

[sacred oracle]

40 days and 40 nights

[small anvil]

It's been more than that since yama

[sacred oracle]

40 years

[austere mulch]

Hopefully they do

I don’t think a post-quest boss will ever be an endgame boss bc it just doesn’t fit. But they can be late game, like the dt2 bosses

I think if they said Yama would be late game then they would’ve gotten significantly less backlash

[fossil epoch]

Yeh the quest requirement for yama is only a master level quest

[austere mulch]

And that seems like the obvious tag since it was compared to vardorvis the entire time in development

Which is also a post quest boss

[fossil epoch]

Yeh

[earnest marsh]

i guess you can say the armor is late game

the drops are laet game atleast

[frail nebula]

it's an experienced level quest even

[idle rapids]

conniseur level quest

[hasty shard]

agreed but maybe they can get away with it if quest version is like a single delve level

[true talon]

They worth about 25-30k right now, not even worth putting in lol

unless you mean the acc contracts for oathplate if you got 1

[true talon]

They cant define it, because its subjective, in jagex's vision expert toa is a 300 which is considered end game, nex is considered end game, nightmare end game, yama end game.

in my view if it has a bis end game armor/wep or piece of gear, then its considered end game, regardless of its difficulty.

[minor whale]

Thermy is endgame?
Araxxor is endgame?
Demonic Gorillas are endgame?
That's a crazy scale

[ember token]

deranged archaeologist is endgame because it drops a bis ring (bis melee defenses)

[bronze kernel]

Obor is endgame

[true talon]

92 slayer is a pretty high requirement, as is 93, demonics were behind a GM quest so was end game when they came out.

[hard axle]

So once they release a new melee cape, inferno is midgame according to your logic

[kind surge]

ma2 endgame

[hard axle]

What is endgame is both a mix of requirements and/or difficulty imo

[kind surge]

quest cape is very much a midgame goal so I wouldn't say that just because a quest is labeled "grandmaster," doesn't mean it's endgame

[hard axle]

same reason why thermy could be 99 slayer and the overly simple mechanics would never be endgame

It’s also relative to other content too

[kind surge]

even if it's "at the time"

[hard axle]

Exactly, relativity to current endgame matters more than what it was in the past

Jagex often doesn’t do a cleanup that downgrades difficulty over time

Punching vorkath was a GM task

[kind surge]

yeah exactly, new metas get introduced, items get powercrept, and new content gets added

[hard axle]

<25 CM 5s used to be a respectable and now it’s <18

[kind surge]

always have to account for today to be able to label anything as "endgame," since it's a useless term without looking at all other content

[hard axle]

Zulrah was endgame

And now it’s like mid to late game

[fair comet]

Late game? not even close :p

It’s a hard task for the diary for a reason

[kind surge]

even on irons, you can do zulrah fairly early midgame with twinflame (specifically farming the boss, can do 1kc much earlier for diary)

[craggy radish]

Man I struggled my 6 min kill with rcb and ibans with 70 range/mage way back when

Twinflame and sunlight crossbow is miles ahead these days

[rare grotto]

yeah but irons are handless

better to complain

something something supplies

[kind surge]

no excuse with varlamore now

we have an entire red carpet laid out for us to go to midgame with all the varlamore stuff

[true talon]

Training my normie right now at sulphur naguas an getting 150k exp an hour afk in melee stats.
Early/mid game iron is the goat right now, saw my friend getting 1 min kills at zulrah with a twinflame lol fuck i didnt see those times till tbow/shadow

elemental weakness is kinda goated now for early/mid game stuff

[kind surge]

yeah standard spellbook is in a great spot now

[slender vapor]

Varlamore and moon moths changed iron drastically

Suddenly you can catch ppots in the wild and bank 22k prayer points an hour

[kind surge]

I think moths were the most egregious example of iron catering

but hey I'm not complaining lol

[nocturne solstice]

Iunno they're still a pain in the ass tbh

75 hunter requirement and all

[slender vapor]

75 hunter was made pretty easy now

[nocturne solstice]

i only remember grabbing em in leagues tbh

[slender vapor]

Ppots from scratch bank 7-8k prayer an hour, moths are 22k

[craggy radish]

Rumours op plus a lot of ppl rush 83 for dimps

[nocturne solstice]

And it was a bit annoying getting butterfly jars and needing 75 prayer and needing meats

[slender vapor]

You buy them from a shop and shove them in the infinite storage backpack

[nocturne solstice]

once you get the infinite storage backpack

[slender vapor]

Just choose to get the drop

[nocturne solstice]

facts

[craggy radish]

Ye just get it lol

[nocturne solstice]

The kit was more ironman catering than the moths

truth

[craggy radish]

Rumours in general

[slender vapor]

Rumours are cracked

Hunter went from my least favorite to one of my actual favorite skills

And the common loot is solid

[craggy radish]

Free prayer and herb doing Hunter, what

[kind surge]

rumours are great

and tbf if you're going for 75 hunter from rumours, you're very likely to get the kit anyways

[nocturne solstice]

love em

[true talon]

I should do rumors, my hunter is only 88 lol

[kind surge]

who knew making slayer tasks but hunter would be pretty fun

[craggy radish]

Same same

[slender vapor]

We need slayer tasks, just for general skilling. Maybe name it something like artisan

[true talon]

excited to see the slayer blog for summer sweep

[nocturne solstice]

id say its moreso the rewards than the skilling tasks tbh

[kind surge]

it's both really

[nocturne solstice]

Since its actually ncie rewards instead of a pittance of points for a bunch of random stuff

also really nice xp

[true talon]

would like a dedicated blocklist system

[kind surge]

the tasks give variety but the rewards really reinforce the content being good

it's not like rumour sacks' rewards are broken good either

[true talon]

the jank ass system we have to make a block list is pretty dumb

[kind surge]

they're just a great extra on top of what you get from hunting

[slender vapor]

Extra birds nests is nice

Both birdhouses and mole can ligma

[chrome lantern]

@slender vapor Is it even worth going out of your way to get meats for moonlight moths. Asking for my GIM.

[slender vapor]

Not in my opinion. You can get so many bulk 1 dose moths that I wouldn't worry about it and just use meats from rumours

[true talon]

Im surprised we havnt seen mix's improved

we need more pots that heal but off attack delay

[kind surge]

yeah I'd only use whatever meats you get from doing rumours

you'll get so much that it shouldn't be an issue, and you'll swap to completely using ppots/restores once you have a good supply of seeds anyways

[slender vapor]

1 dose moths covers prayer slayer

2 dose covers most light pvm like TDs and random demi bosses

Ppots for actual bossing hasn't changed at all

[jovial sentinel]

Back when i cared more, moon moths were around 3-4mins an inventory. Kebs were a bit over 10 iirc, with a meat sack. It comes close to being worth it.

[earnest marsh]

Ye it depends

You get enough prayer pots if your not going to rush pvm

Which makes moths pretty bad

But heey, for some reason you dont wanna skill, then i guess sure

[slender vapor]

Have fun maintaining piety slayer and bossing with ppots on an early to mid iron

I'd rather spend my ppots on bossing and source my slayer prayer needs 2-3x faster but you do you

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, it depends how you use them

more dps = good

[slender vapor]

ppots from scratch on early irons

Like, sure maybe after quite a bit of slayer/pvm with hard farming contracts on lock you'll have enough resources to maintain them better.

But the only actual alternative for sourcing bulk ppots is level theiving and pickpocket master farmers

Or do moths for bulk prayer multiple times faster and easier till you get to the point ppots are easier to source

[thick beacon]

honestly if u just burst nechs and whatnot more instead of meleeing its not to bad

still pretty rough

slayer definitely only time i felt like i struggled a bit with ppots

[slender vapor]

You still want your melee stats up though

[thick beacon]

ye

[ember token]

@winter hearth just wanted to bring this up just in case you guys arent aware, Drakes and Guardian Drakes are suppose to have an earth weakness according to the blog and spreadsheet, but they still have a water weakness. Additionally, the Zarosian spiritual creatures (Ranged/warrior/mage) in the Ancient Prison had their 200% fire weaknesses replaced with a 30% air weakness which I believe is accidentally as they were very intentionally suppose to have a big fire weakness

[dull salmon]

yay

[violet sigil]

200% fire weakness seems more accidental

[ember token]

they've always taken extra damage from fire spells even before elemental weaknesses

[true talon]

This why i do wildy slayer and use blighted pots

[fossil epoch]

Do you know if the bloodreavers outside nex was supposed to also heal the player attacking them?

[ember token]

the update blog does just say blood reavers, it doesnt specify in nex only

[fossil epoch]

i see, thought it was only gonna be nex ones

[ember token]

in the earlier blogs it definitely sounded like it

but im guessing it was easier to just add it to both

[fossil epoch]

probably yeh

did the ceramonial robes grind, and you could just afk the reavers with a tbow and sustain them

was surprised

[true talon]

Not that it matters much, since you’d just pray mage on them anyways

Hope slayer sweep blog is today, can’t wait to read.

[minor whale]

It's not, JMod said it'll be sometime during the week starting the 14th

So next week some time

[earnest vigil]

goblin said either today or next monday -- is there another post youre referring to?

[green pewter]

This

Maybe

[earnest vigil]

By his message does he mean on Monday or some time next week?

I read it meaning "on Monday"

[minor whale]

The week starting on July 14th

Sometime during that week

[earnest vigil]

Thanks

[pastel geyser]

isnt he in the hospital?

[sacred oracle]

what did you do to mod goblin

[chrome lantern]

On the spiritual mage thing, I guess it wouldn’t matter if it were an air weakness as long as they increase the %, right? I don’t really get why their weakness was fire to begin with

[true talon]

Contract Yama balance really did him in, should have scrapped it when we told them it was not a good idea.

[chrome lantern]

That makes it sound like you put him in the hospital

[sacred skiff]

This just in: Goblin last seen telling Tass there will never be farmable dragon arrows

[true talon]

Surely delves has dragon arrows commonly 😦

[sacred skiff]

Delve is already like 2 weeks away! I didn’t realize that and it snuck up on me

[true talon]

Yea so fast

[sacred skiff]

Still busy being dry on anything at Yama though so I’ve got time

[true talon]

Demon spade pls return

[chrome lantern]

Delve rightclick Take-arrows option xd

[sacred skiff]

Maybe a nerfed spade will come from like Varla diary

But I think the Digger in it’s final form is a long way away now, if ever

[true talon]

Digger was so good.

[sacred skiff]

Since it was apparently just too good for the fragile tree meta

[true talon]

Just reduce the xp if it was a problem

[sacred skiff]

Fr I would take no xp

“The demonic farming implement consumes the knowledge you feel you would have gained”

[true talon]

No1 was gonna go out a farm snapwgrass every hour to get the same xp as a tree run.

[slender vapor]

Digger was unironically the thing I wanted the most from delves

[frail nebula]

I really hope it comes into the game from something

[sacred skiff]

Monkey’s Paw curls - Tithe Farm 2

[green pewter]

Praying for Leprechauns spade from fairytale part 3 quest

[hard axle]

Let me god prep

I know they were partially concerned with xp rates and 0 cost farming xp (cox seeds), but you can adjust that if it’s such a problem (like how you get 2 herblore xp for cox pots).

[minor whale]

What if they added it in as it was so the most effort normal farming method was the most XP

When high effort skilling doesn't reward high XP reeeeee

[slender vapor]

I'm glad farming can't have good things because muh 2.5m exp per hour ehp will suffer!!

[hard axle]

If they made it untradeable and made it come from tithe farm sepculher electric boogaloo, and required 95 farming, I wouldn’t say no

Ngl, I think Ring of endurance should’ve been buffed post agility changes

[frail bough]

I don't know if there is a limit on the number of tithe farm points I would grind for digger

[hard axle]

This would be a separate minigame

A higher tier farming minigame or skilling activity

But yes, I do get the concern that Pyro is talking about

And think there is enough restrictions we can put on without making it worthless

[frail bough]

I do agree but I also dont think anyone wanted it for xp to begin with - which is why it felt weird that it was a reason to remove it

[hard axle]

XP is still a byproduct of it, unless you remove it.

It’s like how saying you add this for this reason and completely ignores that it’s good for basically everything else. Pre-nerf BP if you will.

[frail bough]

I think really they just wanted to move it to something else and they just gave reasons provided by the community as their reasoning to remove it. I refuse to believe they couldn't think of ways to resolve their main concerns.

[small anvil]

It feels like they removed it cuz originally it was a throw in, then they realized it was something people actually wanted

And decided it wasn't the place for skill buff to be coming from pvm

[frail bough]

Yeah I think something along those lines is correct.

[small anvil]

Which was one of the reddit complaints

I do think we will see something like digger (reduced xp I imagine) in the next couple years

[pearl tangle]

Especially once the boots are out, is masori Bp going to phase out Bowfa? Only thing I see keeping Bowfa is tile distance right

[small anvil]

It's already there for mains

[chrome lantern]

Bofa already has 0 places it's bis

[small anvil]

Its nice at p2 warden right

But it's the can't afford tbow but want capes item these days for mains

[austere mulch]

Instead of making weenie hut jr pvm raids, just make a skilling raid and give it cool rewards like the digger and let pvm raids actually be end game

Skilling raid with digger as the mega would be mega juiced

[small anvil]

Irons it's easily rushable and still a solid path, but not required anymore

[fossil epoch]

whats a skilling raid though? sephulcre the only thing coming to mind that would fit?

[small anvil]

Like you could fit together multiple Skilling mini games if you wanted to

[shadow wave]

I don't know how you would make a skilling raid work in a way that isn't just a normal raid but instead of strength you use farming to "roll damage"

[small anvil]

Like making a combined giants foundry, zalcano, volcanic mine sorta thing

Would kinda work?

[shadow wave]

The only thing I can think is something like Trouble Brewing, as funny as that sounds. Something with a fixed timer where performance is scored by points earned.

[small anvil]

With sepulchre for movement

[shadow wave]

Cos skilling that isn't just pvm (todt, temp) is measured by how consistently efficient you are in a timespan, not really how quickly you can complete a singular objective

[ionic tartan]

In addition to scepulchre, there were some nice concepts from dt2 stranglewood too. Like dynamites and zombies, running while a bunch of zombies chase you.

Plus, a lot of endgame pvm includes a bullet-hell like component (ie: Yama fireball/wave dodging). That movement-dodging isn't inherently a pvm thing.

[obsidian venture]

If you have quiver, bp wins. Marginal either way

[obsidian venture]

That’d work tbh

But scale it up a bit

[small anvil]

Yeah, I'm just saying you could combine different mini games into a "raid"

You could enforce team play with multiple things to be done too

And maybe enable tick manipulation benefiting things

[obsidian venture]

Mhm

[small anvil]

I think you could do it, I'm not sure if jagex would think it's a good use of Dev resources

Forced group content annoys a large portion of the player base

Skilling mini games tend to be hmm kinda popular?

Mostly as training methods

[jovial sentinel]

It could be done, sure. But... should it? Idk

Like, skilling minigames are good, but when you start combining different types of play combined in the same 'team', it starts to create frustrating situations in finding teams.

For instance, tanks/healers being a huge limiting factor in getting groups for dungeons in themepark mmos

And if its the same gameplay, different skill, i dont see the point, thats just a theme

[small anvil]

I think you could make compelling content that would be enjoyable as a Skilling "raid" is all

It won't have to be combat focused

[jovial sentinel]

Who said anything about it being combat focused?

[small anvil]

Someone above

[small anvil]

This

[jovial sentinel]

Fair. But yeah, i stand by it not really being a good idea

[small anvil]

Yeah, I'm not sure it's the best use of Dev resources

But I feel like you absolutely could make some good content from Skilling

[jovial sentinel]

Its one of those thinga that actually sounds cool, but likely will end up more frustrating then enjoying practically

[small anvil]

In a more active sorta thing

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah, absolutely.

[small anvil]

Realistically it would end up being massed

[jovial sentinel]

The biggest doubt i have for it is that i dont think the devs have it

[small anvil]

It likely wouldn't happen

[jovial sentinel]

I think more will come, especially with sailing.

Ill reserve judgement till after that

[small anvil]

The thing is that any Skilling raid would be botted to hell

[jovial sentinel]

But its like.. what content have the devs made thats actually made the game a lot better? Theres no real revolutionary gameplay. Its all safe, or a failure.

[small anvil]

The entry barrier/risk of higher end gear I feel kinda does limit the amount of botting of regular raids

As well as the unpredictability of combat

[jovial sentinel]

I think skill and unpredictability is the biggest enemy of bots.

[small anvil]

Not that bots don't exist, but it adds barriers

[jovial sentinel]

But basically everything is botted to an extent

[small anvil]

Funny enough skill is the easier thing to bot

Perfect reaction times

[jovial sentinel]

Depends on what you call skill.

But yeah, theres little to no decisionmaking in osrs.

So its always going to be easy to bot

[small anvil]

Skill is in reaction, planning, execution in this game

All things bots will not struggle with

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah, its one of the few games thats really simple to automate

And better to

[rare grotto]

when's delve again

[chrome lantern]

July 23 iirc

[rigid meteor]

did they mention anywhere getting rid of guaranteed beginners from obor and bryo with the rework? (like from the chest)

[chrome lantern]

Nop

[plain tusk]

Shouldn't scroll box drop even tho I have one in my bank?

[ember token]

scroll boxes will drop unless you're at the cap of scrolls for that tier

[narrow folio]

This includes any already opened clues

[plush gull]

is veracs still going to work on p2 wardens at some point

[plush gull]

also when is the vote for the oathplate designs that was mentioned

[pearl flare]

Anyone know when the HD BETA goes live? I have the little purple writing on my log in now saying I can disable but can't see the option to activate in-game yet

Says "force disable new rendering"

[dire mango]

The beta is the renderer, which will also be used for HD in the future, but the HD is not in game yet

[pearl flare]

Ah ok I understand cheers

[desert yoke]

how do i tag the mods, i have a complaint about a mod with a power trip

[halcyon sun]

You can use the ModMail system by messaging the MM bot at the top right of the list

[desert yoke]

Ty

Strange i cant send the message

[vague viper]

Is it throwing you an error or anything?

[desert yoke]

No just the clyde thing

I changed let me try again

Your message could not be delivered

[vague viper]

We can try open it up with you ourselves hold on

@desert yoke OK looks like you need to update your settings to allow DMs from accounts from shared servers, or if you have the MM block you'll need to unblock it.

[desert yoke]

Ok

Wow why is this so diffcult i been last half hour trying to do this

Its just giving me sensitive content filter all 6 options

Allow dm messages from servers is turn on

Man what a way to burn 45 mins of life for this. Some people have too much time on their hands.

Im going out of my way for some bs

[frail bough]

Did it work or nah

[vague viper]

I'm not sure, the error we're getting is that you're not accepting messages from non-friends or you have us blocked

[desert yoke]

No

[frail bough]

okay did you go here

And verify the topmost option is enabled/checked

If you're on mobile you just long press the server > more options > and scroll down a little, its also on there.

[desert yoke]

Got it

O wow now i know why i turned it off

Its blowing up my phone

Thank you kindly

[frail bough]

yesirrrrrrr

[vague viper]

It's not really your notifications, you need to be able to receive DMs from non-friends

and make sure you haven't blocked the bot, because our messages still aren't going through to you

[desert yoke]

No man this is riduculos now my phine wont stop

@modmail

@steel bobcat

[vague viper]

You don't need your server notifications on, that's nothing to do with this, turn those back off. Go to your privacy settings and make sure you're accepting DMs from non-friends

it's a bot you have to send a direct message to, you can't tag it as a bot

it works as a Discord DM, itll come through to your own messages, not in the server

[frail bough]

Just to maybe clarify, the picture above wasn't pointing to your notification settings, it was pointing to the server you right click or long press. The only useful part for this is issue you're having is under "Privacy Settings" and should look like:

[velvet orchid]

Didn't a j mod on reddit confirm the ether update was supposed to be part of the clue update we got last week?

[shadow wave]

No, they said it's in the queue to be implemented but there is other stuff taking up qa time

[velvet orchid]

Okay good just making sure they didnt forget about it

Seems like a fast update to do but who knows with the games 🍝 code

[tawny tide]

Never seen anything remotely close to a power trip in the server lol

Hey blossom if you’re still in here can you help me combine by accounts

If you cant can you just just tell me if the sweep up pt 2 is tomorrow

[ember token]

it's not tomorrow considering they havent even put out the blog for it yet

[tawny tide]

Right so easy to assume I meant the blog Mr data

[ember token]

you never know 🤷

i just assumed you meant what you said

I believe mod goblin said he's hoping to get the blog out some time next week

[tawny tide]

The sweep up part 2 doesn’t specify update or blog but I trust blossom to be able to use context

[ember token]

.

[rotund reef]

Is the summer Sweep up finalised or is there potential to still add more?

I feel the dragon hunter lance and ghrazi rapier are kinda getting left in the dust and could both do with tiny buffs.

DHL: +85 Stab +70 Str to +90 Stab +75 Str
Rapier: +94 Stab +89 Str to +99 Stab +91 Str

These minor buffs would make them more used and deserving since their attack level reqs got increased to 80 in the past.

[plush gull]

i always forget dhl and dhcb even exist cuz fang and blowpipe work fine where theyd be used (also cant convince me its worth to 4:1 olm instead of 1:0 elder maul for a 20 second longer kill and no damage)

[ember token]

DHL is fine, Rapier needs something unique like a special attack or passive instead of a stat buff

[hard axle]

Lance could be better ngl

Compared to Emberlight, I swear it feels less accurate

[chrome lantern]

It’s WAY more than 20 sec but whatever boats your float, 1:0 is pretty bad

Unless you truly need to use 0 supplies no matter what

[plush gull]

20 second per claw so 40 sec? and if u get 1 bad special trying to do 4:1 it can be faster

[chrome lantern]

That sounds like you just don’t know how to 4:1 setup

And also don’t know how many phases there are

And also are arbitrarily making up the number 20 seconds

[plush gull]

i mean ur mostly right tbh

but elder maul is no tick loss for 1:0 so i just calced it

gearscape lets u type in custom att speeds too

[chrome lantern]

Looking at calcs it’s closer to a 35-50 second time loss compared to dhl depending whether your maul spec hits

And there’s 3 phases

That’s an insane time difference for a raid

Not to mention DHL isn’t even bis

But we’re talking the realm of over 50% more dps

[plush gull]

i mean if u have scythe then learn the scythe tech yeah

but im planning to do the cox CAs with shadow, blowpipe, and elder maul. just 7:0 shadow, 1:0 maul, 7:0 blowpipe, no damage

[chrome lantern]

It’s not even close

tf you mean 7:0 shadow

[plush gull]

its 12:0 but u lose 1 tick and dont have to switch between longrange

[chrome lantern]

I’m beginning to doubt you’ve done more than 3 solo cox

[plush gull]

ur right i have 1 solo cox kc

[chrome lantern]

I see

Glad you provided an uninformed and wrong opinion

[jovial sentinel]

Like most things they talk about, inexperience acting like experienced

[plush gull]

full layout tho so im basically an expert on cox, only took me 2 hours

[chrome lantern]

?

[chrome lantern]

You know what

[plush gull]

which opinion is wrong tho

[chrome lantern]

I don’t have time for this

[plush gull]

ok bye

[slender vapor]

Not trolling or baiting btw

[jovial sentinel]

Nah, definitely not

But watch out, you might get banned for pointing that out smh

[plush gull]

i mean what do you expect, i'm 1 kc and you make fun of me instead of educating me so i can do cox better. u deserve it

[jovial sentinel]

If you want to be educated, ask instead of acting like what you know is good, which you absolutely do, constantly

[chrome lantern]

I’m just going to leave this here. Solo olm 1 maul spec, torva.

Bye

[plush gull]

torva lmao

when would u ever use torva lance instead of scythe

[jovial sentinel]

I mean, if you read their comments... etube clearly said what he was calcing wasnt bs, but still a significant lead

[chrome lantern]

The math works out the same in not-torva

Even moreso favor lance in full oath

[plush gull]

no its gonna be a bit closer cuz dhl is a 4t weapon and benefits alot from str bonus

in response to torva

im too lazy to even bring melee armour fwiw

[chrome lantern]

Wow look the same exact thing in oathplate

[plush gull]

again how are u gonna spend 500m on lance and oathplate to do cox with

[chrome lantern]

Yep I’ve overstayed again

Bye for real

[plush gull]

yall are unironically trolling me this time

torva is like the last thing u buy

a more realistic comparison would be to compare lance+DWH in no more than bandos tier gear and include the time loss of doing tekton with dragon warhammer+DHL instead of maul

[jovial sentinel]

See? You dont want to learn.

You want to argue.

[tacit wharf]

🍿

[plush gull]

how can u say that in response to me asking for a calc, what is wrong with u, leave me alone lmao i blocked u a month ago

[obsidian venture]

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah, idk what that reaction is.

<@&385422009930219520> im not sure what this is, but i think they are stepping over the line. Modmail doesnt work.

[plush gull]

u werent even part of the calc discussion and u decided to do nothing but make fun of me and the mods and then ping them. can u just not talk to me lmao

[tiny epoch]

tekton fang destroys maul wws

[vast plank]

Any update today?

[final frigate]

Should be yeah

Is there any mod active here recently other than goblin

Adjust the TOA loot weighting changes to interpolate between the thresholds at 300, 350, 400, 450 and 500.
@fading token Could we get some insight on why there won't be any weighting changes past 500? Currently it feels quite discouraging to push the raid level further especially when the later invocations add a lot more time

Also when many people are able to push raid levels higher than before thanks to recent changes

Old moneys used to be 545s

[fair comet]

Sometimes Blossom :)

[fossil epoch]

Hopefully we are getting some of the smaller backed updates we have been waiting for today, but also just hoping for a summer sweepup p2 blogpost, that would be even better

next week is the week before varla p3, so thats most likely gonna be a nothing update, so if we get anything before varla p3, it seems like today is the bet

[final frigate]

Omg he's here

[fading token]

Sorry, I've not been part of the balancing work there - neither recently nor on its original launch - and I've no insight for you on the team's plans about it.

[final frigate]

Would you know who I could ask about it? It was mainly goblin before but I hear he's not available atm so I didn't ping him this time

[fading token]

It's not like I was exactly active in here when you pinged me 😛
Perhaps try any of the developers/designers if you see them.

[final frigate]

(I also pinged him way too many times before)

Will do thanks, and yeah I've seen you around #old-school more, took the shot

[fading token]

Yeah, you'd find me there a lot more often. I mostly like it there! Anyhoo, I'm afraid I'm not going to be much help for that sort of question - "why did someone do X instead of Y and what was their opinion of doing Z?" - because it's increasingly uncommon that they'd have actually told me such info, whoever they are.

[left wolf]

Hi Ash

[final frigate]

Got it, thanks always for interacting with us

[frozen lion]

System update

[idle seal]

we love you god ash ❤️

[iron wing]

Need new tbow spawn location for update

[timber drift]

any plans to fix harvestfilling still? and im guessing 50s breakpoint smoothing for toa drops didnt make it in this weeks update? ❤️

atleast i can finally get a mimic now after like 90 elites 10 master

[rough vector]

OSRS Team W

[fading token]

Turns out the engine team needs to do something to let that use-item-on-scenery interaction be fixed without it bringing back a more serious bug. Sorry, that takes more time.

[timber drift]

thank you for the quick reply, i'm not personally affected just asking for others

gl on the update

[cedar lodge]

Better take the time to fix it right once, right 😄

[fading token]

Time is being taken. Hopefully that'll be the outcome, anyway!

[past silo]

appreciate the attention to that issue 🙂

[frozen lion]

@fading token is it confirmed whether clue boxes made us not gain bird* nest upon getting "clue nest"?

[rough vector]

Can't wait to try the new renderer, does the official client show FPS so I can check?

*compare

[timber drift]

oh goblin is out of office this week right? guess i cant bother him about the toa breakpoints

[fading token]

I don't see anything about that in the info available to me here. Sorry, perhaps other staff will be better able to confirm for you whether that was/is a thing.

[fading token]

There's a displayfps toggle listed here:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Debug_Console

[rough vector]

Thanks!

Also, Mod Ash replied to me hahah 😛 ❤️

[vague viper]

Ooh Ash beat me to it, so speedy! But yes you can use ::displayfps as a command 😄

[rough vector]

and Mod Blossom ❤️ awesome, can't wait to try it shortly!

[frozen lion]

Because before we had clue nest so when we opened we were getting bird nest + clue scroll, now with clue boxes it is possible we are not getting bird nest along with clue box

[timber drift]

maybe blossom knows something about the timeline of fixing the breakpoints that currently exist at every 50 invocation lvls in regards to shadow/fang drop rates? 🙏

[shadow wave]

They should be dropping to the ground, unless it's a beginner in which case you never got the nest to begin with

[vagrant mango]

so are we not getting any of the changes they promised around toa loot today?

[vagrant mango]

yeah that

[fading token]

The code looks a bit like it'd give the box AND (on members' worlds only) an empty nest, if I'm reading this right. It ain't my code.

[frozen lion]

Thanks, it's just impossible to confirm in game whether it is rng or not that we get bird nest alongside clue box, unless someone happened to get clue box without any bird nests along with it.

[fading token]

Got it. Well, on F2P, they likely would get a clue box without any bird nest, since that's members-only, but it certainly looks to me like members are still due an empty nest with their drop.

[frozen lion]

Thanks for clarifying :)

[fading token]

Gotta move on now. All the best with the update, all of you...

[abstract agate]

Ty for everything seriously

[shadow wave]

@vague viper are these no longer happening this week or was it accidentally left off the update blog?

[vague viper]

Hey I'm just having chats about it now will get back to you asap

[ember token]

also by the way mod blossom, the link in today's #game-news post* (https://osrs.game/New-Renderer-Beta-Out) goes to this page (https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/archive?oldschool=1), not the update post

[shadow wave]

Thank you

[vague viper]

Link in the update blog, sorry which link?

There's a lot of links today haha

[ember token]

Meant to say the link in #game-news

[vagrant mango]

its the one in last weeks update it says about updates next week (this week)

[ember token]

sorry, poor wording from me

edited

[vagrant mango]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/stackable-clues-are-here?oldschool=1

[ember token]

I said the completely wrong thing lol

[vagrant mango]

at the bottom of there

[native mortar]

❤️

[vague viper]

Oh yeah lol that's me messing up the redirect link oops

[ember token]

#game-news message There was a blog with this announcement but it wasn't linked in the discord post

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/varlamore-the-final-dawn-launches-july-23rd?oldschool=1

[timber drift]

you can put links between <> to not embed :p

[vague viper]

We have some things planned for the run up, but honestly in terms of blogs I think we'll be focusing on the launch one now

[ember token]

yeah and I can also just delete the embed immediately for the same effect

[true talon]

July 23rd can’t come fast enough

[vague viper]

As the person writing said blogs etc, July 23rd is speeding towards us like a freight train lmao

[meager flame]

Ya i was going to say it seems like theres 100000 things happening lol

[vivid stream]

hey when is the launch date for varlamore?

[timber drift]

23rd of july

[meager flame]

Like varlamore two multipart blog discussions still not out varlamore pt3 fixes and reactions and sailing release

Then theres probably also hd client stuff lurking

And I imagine dmm and the rest of the year

[timber drift]

surely new renderer is step1 towards hd client

[vague viper]

It is indeed

[timber drift]

varla pt3 in 2 weeks and sailing well yeah i guess thats ready when its ready

but.. toa loot fixes..

[ember token]

there's been 100000 things happening for awhile now and they're finally at the point where it's all starting to get finished and released

[meager flame]

Idk i kinda think this looks like a crazy crunch unless sailing isn't in August anymore

[signal moth]

step by step.

[timber drift]

i dont think the sailing team is working on the renderer/hd client

but hey who knows

[meager flame]

Like

[ember token]

sailing is certainly not coming in august

it's gonna be like late november I'd guess

[meager flame]

They need to get to the blog and poll etc

But they also need to actually be releasing content and talking about other stuff

[timber drift]

blog and poll for what

[meager flame]

Idk when varlamore was supposed to be done by but it seems like it's been lingering

[signal moth]

they should take their time with it and not commit to a deadline as such..

[timber drift]

.. its gonna be done in 2 weeks? 😭

[meager flame]

Almost all sailing content

[timber drift]

we had a sailing content poll a while ago 😭

few weeks or so

[meager flame]

Ya part 1

[ember token]

we've had 1 content poll but there's 2 more planned (at least)

[vivid ruin]

I wonder if the new corrupted gauntlets will have a way to unlock a color change like rancor

[ember token]

I think part 3 was originally suppose to be spring this year

[floral blaze]

So glad to see multi revs coming back!!

[vivid ruin]

Is it??

[meager flame]

It just seems like information overload because theyre trying to do that and the sweep up additional blogs and part 3 and obviously the other roadmap content

[timber drift]

☝️ 🤓

[ember token]

key word "originally"

[round lintel]

Soo no TOA weighting changes like you guys said last week? Seems odd the purple rate nerf but the weighting still the old. @vague viper

[ember token]

you do know they can update blogs right

[sour kelp]

oh man i missed mod ash

[timber drift]

what is this tinfoil hat shit

[meager flame]

And i imagine we kinda need more sailing beta

[timber drift]

im just saying if you are gonna doompost atleast be correct

[meager flame]

Maybe one where they actually react to the feedback the last one was kinda

More showing new stuff than responding to anything people said about the first outside of some small stuff

[ember token]

i'm not doomposting and i simply dont care to look for sources but i'm pretty sure the whole original varlamore schedule was for p2 and p3 to be earlier than they were

[meager flame]

Its just the natural way of things in a way

If I tell you our big project is aiming for January odds are we're hitting March

[sour kelp]

new renderer already has differences they didnt mention

[timber drift]

i mean they said summer i think july 23rd is summer

[true talon]

You got so many jmods now working on different stuff, writing a blog to cover it all seems hard XD

[timber drift]

locking in for a hard deadline extremely early just seems like disappointment for all involved

[true talon]

maybe, or they will just kill the tormented bracelet kit like the torture one XD

[round lintel]

Since the purple nerf Ive gotten 4 lightbearers in 350s I stopped doing toas as an iron for it thinking they'll fix that today. :/

[vague viper]

Hey all! Seeing lots of questions come through about some of the fixes we mentioned last week that we'd try to do for today's update. We've updated the blog post to explain what happened, but I wanted to pop it here for you too incase you don't catch the edit!

Last week, we mentioned a number of changes we were planning to roll out as soon as possible. However, with today’s New Renderer Beta launch and preparations ramping up for the upcoming Varlamore release, unfortunately they just didn't make it through in time for this week. They’re still on our radar, and we’ll get to them when possible, but with Varlamore being a major release we can't mention a specific date right now, sorry! Thank you for being patient with us, and we'll keep you updated.

[true talon]

How is you getting random rng loot a problem lol?

[meager flame]

-3 to 4 weeks

[timber drift]

the loot changes in prev blog wouldnt change anything if you are running 350s

like the most impact would be at 345 or 395

[true talon]

I mean my friend got lightbearer in a 500, its not like they no longer drop lol

so getting 4 is not unheard of

[vivid ruin]

Didnt they make elidnis more common and lb/fang less

[tribal summit]

Where is the perfered place to report bugs?

[round lintel]

Not really the problem, without the nerf I would have gotten on rate 1 more purple and they changed that but not the weighting as supposed to happen, is odd they nerf one thing but they so stuff in parts (which they rush to put it live)

[rough vector]

1 minute waiting 😛 managing expectations since beta, but also, very hyped

[timber drift]

more common when you receive a purple over 300 yes

LB/fang rates were reduced per purp over 300s last patch

[ember token]

right click the report button ingame, click report game bug

[rough vector]

yeah whoa

just logged in

moved camera

already super smooth

[vague viper]

For the renderer? #1392089609223143526

[sour kelp]

client now uses 100% of gpu on login screen

[chrome lantern]

From the blog:

Previously, charging a Revenant weapon required a hefty 1,000 Revenant Ether, making it tough for Iron players to use these powerful drops due to the upkeep cost.

Any plans to get rid of the 1k ether cost? Would do a lot more to ease the ether upkeep than anything

[true talon]

Weighting was changed, the update specifys that the threshold between 350-400 EX. 395 would still have a increased scaling. however currently a 350 and 400 have the same scaling, untill its fixed.

[meager flame]

Is there a command to show frame rate even on login screen with the renderer

[tribal summit]

I have Xray vision lol can see through walls

[vivid ruin]

But then you cant be live bait for pkers

[timber drift]

ty for the update atleast btw hopefully soon 🙏

[harsh dawn]

@vague viper when will the game come back out ?

[timber drift]

time to try the renderer

[meager flame]

Might just be uncapped and your cpu is seeing how fast your gpu can render a mostly static image on the login screen

[vague viper]

::displayfps I don't actually know if it keeps it up for login screen though

someone tell me if it does LOL

[sour kelp]

new sd mode gets the chathead pass

[chrome lantern]

It’s mostly the fact that even with ether chiseling the ether is still worth far more than the meager GE value suggests on an iron lmao

[harsh dawn]

please i took a day off wwork today

[timber drift]

its up

[sour kelp]

i dont think it does but the ingame fps setting does apply to the login screen

[vague viper]

It's basically instantaneous, so should be up now!

[harsh dawn]

oh

[signal moth]

no fps on login screen

[harsh dawn]

TY

[round lintel]

Maybe I am dumb reading it but is not what I understand from the blog. I understand that weighting isnt changed ik any form past 300s unless there was some thread I am not aware of

[timber drift]

lb/fang rate reduced past 300 notably every 50 breakpoint has a big drop

which in turn raises other purp chance

let me try and find the table

[sour kelp]

will new sd mode have an option to look like the java client?

[round lintel]

Yes. They posted that but then they said they will fix it in today's blog

[signal moth]

can you use all commands on beta servers?

[true talon]

This would be nice, 7 bracelet cost per death is so damn annoying, id rather charge them with GP which would also help sink GP out the game for mains. just have it be like 300k to use an then 75% goes to the pker. this would mean bots risk more and they sink gold when they die.

[timber drift]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/summer-sweep-up-blog-update-combat--loot?oldschool=1

the 50s breakpoints are being fixed at a later date see the pins

[sour kelp]

textures look different because of mipmapping i assume

[rough vector]

I am getting 120ish FPS in debug console on official client when staying still, but 60-130 when moving, lots of choppiness and unresponsive clicks though

[sour kelp]

there is less colour banding now : (

[rough vector]

granted im playing on a potato laptop with no graphics card

[true talon]

Currently its only the weighting, so a 350 and 395 have the same weighting, EX. shadow is 1/24 on a 350 and 1/24 on 395, after the update shadow will be 1/24 on a 350 and 1/22 or something ona 395 then jump to a 1/21 at 400.

[round lintel]

@vague viper so, past which raid level is the weighting adjustment working at toa?

[sour kelp]

changing brightness also breaks textures LOL

[timber drift]

300

[cold kite]

Guys im on mobile and have enabled hd but its still the same?

[timber drift]

305 has reduced rate already its just a big drop at 50s

again see the above table

[vague viper]

Please make sure to pop it in as a bug report in #1392089609223143526

[signal moth]

oops

[true talon]

at 350 the weighting changes and then you add 50 raid lvls to get a new weighting at 400.
the bug is that anything between 350 and 399 is not having scaling. so doing say a 485 is way worst than doing a 500.

[vague viper]

This isn't HD, it's a new renderer that gives us the technical set up to bring HD out when it's ready

[sour kelp]

yeah im infomation gathering rn it seems only certain brightnesses cause this

[cold kite]

@vague viper ok so no new textures or HD when enabled just yet?

[round lintel]

Thx

[vague viper]

Nope nothing HD right now

[flint harness]

Is there any ETA when the HD might be ready? I think mod Gengis said it would be fairly soon after SD

[signal moth]

i thought this was already HD

[cold kite]

Ok, thanks for clarifying this, top work getting hd to mobile super excited for this. Thank you.

[flint harness]

It’s the SD Renderer that HD will be built on

[cold kite]

The blog wasn't clear on this though, I read it as its a new render to have hd textures

[vague viper]

I don't have an ETA for ya right now, a lot of it will depend on how smoothly implementing the new renderer goes!

[cold kite]

Cannot wait for a mainly mobile player this is excellent

[vague viper]

Sorry you felt it was unclear 😦 I tried my best to stress that right now you should see no real graphical difference, and that this is the first stepping stone to HD

[drifting valley]

Bin the new renderer plz, im laghing beyond belief using it, the old one i have 0 issues with

This is horrid

Unplayable lagg

[light ember]

Is there a way to get an FPS counter with the official client?

[signal moth]

so its purely just graphical changes no terrain

[flint harness]

What’s the issue?

[cold kite]

Turn it off then, this is a beta it literally says experimental lol

[drifting valley]

Framesss

[flint harness]

Upgrade your graphics card drivers

[drifting valley]

Unplayable

[vague viper]

It's a beta, we know there'll be bugs and difficulties etc, maybe even crashes. This is how we can bug test and get it to the spot it needs to be for proper release. If you come across issues and bugs that aren't listed in #renderer-known-issues then pop a report in #1392089609223143526

[drifting valley]

Im on mobile....

[flint harness]

O

[cold kite]

No graphics changes, just the new implementation of a new render for it to be built on for HD

[flint harness]

Let me check mobile

[vague viper]

You can turn it off, or force disable it from your login screen

[drifting valley]

Unplayable now, before it was fine

[worn haven]

There is no "Experimantal header" in the display settings btw

Or it is just me ?

[drifting valley]

Getting like 1 fps

[cold kite]

At the bottom of display

[vague viper]

::displayfps

[rough vector]

::FpsLimit 60 definitely targets 60 but it's still rendering 70fps on average. Is there a way to set a hard limit?

[vague viper]

It's in the more detailed menu, it's not in the quick access menu, that'll just have the check box

[rough vector]

My monitor only does 60 and my pc sucks haha

[drifting valley]

I thought this renderer was supposed to make everything smoother but of this is how its going to be i cant play mobile anymore

[vague viper]

Also, anyone having issues, please make sure your app is showing version 231.2

You may need to push an update

[worn haven]

I litterally open the "All Settings" menu and there is nothing here

I'm reloading the game

[vague viper]

Because it is in beta stage, right now you can just turn it off and not use it 🙂

[flint harness]

Yeah, just force disable on login screen

[vague viper]

Reload and make sure it's client 231.2 😄

[flint harness]

Works fine for me

[worn haven]

Nvm, we only talk about mobile here ?

[flint harness]

BTW is there meant to be any graphical change between old version and the new SD? Like crisper edges etc? Or is it purely performance?

[vague viper]

Nope mobile and official client, but on desktop it'll have auto updated, on mobile some people will need to actively go make sure it updates

[flint harness]

I’m comparing it to old version vs GPU

[worn haven]

Then i don't get it ... Anyway, let's play with 117HD Still lol

[vague viper]

The goal is no difference right now no, purely perfomance at this stage 🙂

[vagrant mango]

guess il be holding off on all toa for atleast 2 more weeks then

[drifting valley]

Yeah i totally underatand that...but even so how is it giving me half the frames lol

[meager flame]

it does certainly put some frames out there though im ngl lol might need some new frame cap options

kinda already did anyways

but lol

[rough vector]

its pretty choppy and my pc is working hard and i don't have my runlite gpu settings BUT....im pretty hopeful this is a solid foundation

[vague viper]

Are you definitely on 231.2? It'll say at the bottom of the login screen. Also what activity are you doing and what location, and what are your device details

[rough vector]

*pretty sure

[signal moth]

9fps

[light ember]

Seems to work pretty swell on MacOS 26 beta3, seeing decent performance gains on an M1 Max at 4K

[inner plover]

new renderer is great nyaa

[vague viper]

But if it's not something you want to play on right now that's totally ok, just switch it off 🙂

[timber drift]

yeah kinda sad but just scale down or add another few invo who cares

[true talon]

drops are 50-50 you either get it or you dont

[vagrant mango]

i just think its crazy theyd nerf the drop rates and update the loot tables but not make the loot scaling changes at the same time...just puts me off sending it

[meager flame]

my pc is basically just unleashing something like 800 fps

[timber drift]

same but im still sending

[inner plover]

then don't send it meow. they made the raid faster tho I twink

[timber drift]

well i lied im getting scales

[meager flame]

could use a custom frame limit cap somewhere between 60 and unlimited perhaps lol

[true talon]

they made the loot scaling work but only in increments of 50 raid lvls, most people just sent 350/400 anyways there was very little reason to do like a 385. or a 485.

[final frigate]

@vague viper would you know anything about potentially adding toa weighting changes past 500 as well? feels really discouraging to push raid level atm when purp chances barely go up and shadow weighting stays the same