game-update

[chrome lantern]

Leagues 4 and 5 had some new good stuff (new relics, ruinous powers, combat mastery, echo), but none of the good things of those leagues were copying leagues 2 again and again

And we see similar complaints for DMM too where finals largely become mega clans and loose alliances scrambling for survival, but they don’t really change that either

[hollow cedar]

Have we gotten a confirmed drop rate on keys from bryo and Obor?

[chrome lantern]

Nothing beyond supposed to remain at 1/16

[hollow cedar]

I get the feeling that isn't the case.

Otherwise I'm getting relatively close to statisical anamoly (sub 1%) but I'll continue to acquire data.

[vivid ruin]

Keep in mind, theres people with 200m xp in skills and never got the pet drops. Sometimes your luck just is that bad

[chrome lantern]

Not just him on keys

[hollow cedar]

rate is different so its easier to hit more frustrating statisical anamoly

Understand the point you're trying to make but its not helpful

[chrome lantern]

I've also seem more people than I'd expect asking about it. Obviously always going to see complainers/dry more often than others, but seeing a LOT of dry.

[cloud grail]

Has there been any news on the hd update and official plugin client

[ember token]

yes, the new renderer is coming next month

[cloud grail]

sweet cant wait

[ember token]

it's not HD, it's just SD but its an important step to HD

which is still planned to release before Sailing

[craggy wind]

I saw some leagues chatter in here - was something released in regard to Leagues???

I assumed still nothing this year

[ember token]

nope

one guy was just asking for leagues and we all said no thanks lol

[craggy wind]

We got some HEAVY content coming later in the year though. I’m stoked for DMM

I’m a mobile only player but last DMM was fun as hell

[thick beacon]

only leauge they didint region locked ppl disliked but i hate them repeating same concept over again

[rain fulcrum]

i hate region lockoing becaues i want to do the raids in leaguyes

which leaves me literally no choice as to what regoins to pick

[thick beacon]

like first time i played was trail reloaded it felt new unique echoes felt like repeat more or less and i got bored quick

[rain fulcrum]

im actually decently interested in rs3 leagues

i never played much rs3 so itll be all fresh

[surreal swan]

@small lion @winter hearth Howdy mods, question. I have noticed a lot of people doing the 1+1 yama, where their alt just comes in and horns, elder mauls, and dies. From crowdsourcing drops rates amount 10+ people, it seems there is a general consensus of being unlucky in these solos. Is there any way someone could take a quick gander at the unique code and see if there is something other than just contribution = drop chance?

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[true talon]

Any chance we ever see a use for these or atleast removal of wave 1 splinters?

[fair comet]

hoping that they remove them from wave 1

[true talon]

wave 1 resets is now like 1m an hour, so i doubt many bots is doing it lol

splinters being 1/4th their stable price is wild

[idle rapids]

1m/hr is decent for a low req bot

Although I heard they are banning those type of bots in under 24 hours

[true talon]

its 1m assuming you get 60 kph lol

a bot with low stats and bad gear prob wont get 60 kph

[hard axle]

Probably not. If splinters even see any form of mass use, irons would start complaining

It's becoming like muspah ancient essence where the amount of a resource being sunk is negative because the big one-time uses are mostly done (ie. imbued hearts and quivers).

[true talon]

Not really, irons can farm splinters extremely easy even if they arent on wave 1.

[hard axle]

Even if they could, would you want to if you had to sink like 10k+ on a regular basis? The benefits would have to be substantial.

[true talon]

yea the benefit would have to be pretty big

it would also have to be very end game

[hard axle]

Going down the route of Ancient Essence because no recurrent use

[true talon]

As only people able to supply 10k+ splinters would be colo farmers

[hard axle]

Still waiting for lizardman fangs to be tradeable for VTV/VSV Cropes

[true talon]

Lizardmen fangs arent tradeable?

[hard axle]

for wr cox scouts

yes they're tradeable normally

idk what you can possibly for splinters to mass sink them that people won't bitch about

[true talon]

Use them to empower more stuff from fortis. maybe enhances the prayer gear, makes the ralos better, makes echo boots better.
Can be used in a new potion or can be crafted into new ammo.

Was kinda shit that their only use was to corrupt the quiver an then thats it lol

Crystal shards for example have many uses

Why cant i make sunfire dust to make my divines twice as long?

or maybe remove the damage they deal

[upper ice]

shits so depressing man

colo dead content

its like 800k from turning in quiver

[narrow folio]

Make quiver charges work on blowpipe and bowfa cough cough game suggestion

[upper ice]

rn

[true talon]

Maybe you feed x ammount of shards to ralos to turn it into a 4 tick throwing wep that double hits.

They didnt get very creative with the sunfire splinters........

[upper ice]

its just joever

[true talon]

like oh corrupt the quiver, charge the ralos (which is a dead item) and umm you can make sunfire wine lol

[upper ice]

the infusion update ruined it

and doing nothing about wave 1 bots for over a year

[chrome lantern]

I mean let’s be real splinters shouldn’t exist

[upper ice]

gg

[chrome lantern]

No need to beat around it

[true talon]

They exist to keep the colo profitable

Sadly they ruined it by having wave 1 splinters

[chrome lantern]

Do they? As mentioned they’re doomed to fall

Just like ancient ess

The amount used is far, far less than the amount obtained

[true talon]

Well the problem is corrupting the quiver is 150k purchase whch you only need to make once

[hard axle]

urgh, even if you buffed ralos up massively

[true talon]

and so many people do colo

[hard axle]

it's the same issue

1x use

[upper ice]

wouldve been fine if they didnt do the infusion thing

[hard axle]

[chrome lantern]

Did quiver really need to use charges in the first place?

[upper ice]

like yeah it would be inevitable

but it would happen way slower

its legit dead content now

[hard axle]

given how slowly it drains, probably not

[true talon]

Nope if it was me, i woulda designed it like this.

+28 range accuracy, +4 range str flat no gimicks.
Holds 2 arrows slots.

[hard axle]

it was just a transfer of wealth

[true talon]

The gimick to nerf bowfa and blowpipe makes 0 sense lol

[hard axle]

I don't mind charging, but it needs to be bigger buff

+1 buff to charge is dumb

[true talon]

be like infernal cape only giving 8 str to scythe

[hard axle]

+3 base, +6 charged

something like that

[upper ice]

they gotta do something

[chrome lantern]

Like sunfire is very similar to ancient essence in the sense the big blocks get used up in relatively infrequent rates from bless/saturation, and actually using the charged items is negligible compared to splinters/ess entering game

[upper ice]

or just let colo die

i cant imagine them seeing its current state and being ok with it

[hard axle]

never let content die if you can help it

[true talon]

I proposed a sunfire ammo system which used splinters to create new ammo that would be untradeable and broken on hit.

the ammo would cause burn effects

like atlata

[upper ice]

idk i sold my venator bow

it just feels too bad to pot

back to tob

[true talon]

well colo is the 3rd highest money maker in the game currently.

toa tob colo then vardorvis

[upper ice]

yeah i guess

[true talon]

and untill the splinters lost 4x their value it was one of the best money makers

[upper ice]

getting 900k for 5k splinters just feels horrible

rather just gamble for scythe

[true talon]

Like this was basically like 2m colo run before the ralos

[upper ice]

cause without ralos colo isnt worth doing at all

[true talon]

Also im fairly certain that they buffed herbs from cox by 40%, instead of reduced.

40% of a max dwarf weed roll with 1515 silver ore would be 101.8 which added to the max of 151 means you woulda gotten 253 dwarf weed and 1515 silver ore which is what the screen shot shows as possible loot.

My friend also got 536 dwarfweed from a single chambers CM solo. which is not possible at all.

[hard axle]

avg

[true talon]

I think its bugged, and they are giving 40% more herbs instead of reducing it lol.

[hard axle]

ye, i read the first part

[chrome lantern]

I got 17 seeds from an unscaled duo which felt kinda high yeah

[true talon]

Which type of seed

[chrome lantern]

Dwarf

[true talon]

Wonder if its just dwarf or if its other herbs also

my friends CM loot was 2.2m for a white chest as it was 536 dwarf weed and like 156 of another herb lol

[hard axle]

[narrow folio]

that's actually crazy

[chrome lantern]

So based on this and the spreadsheet

Dwarf weed was supposed to be 40% less and other herbs 20% less

And 1/3 of herb rolls replaced by herbs/7 quantity of seeds

But yeah something might have messed up somewhere

[narrow folio]

This is extremely confusing. So if I got 100 herbs before, I would get 67 herbs and 33 / (herb to seed conversion rate) after?

[chrome lantern]

No

2/3 of the time you get 80 (60 dwarf weed) herbs

1/3 of the time you get 80/7 (60/7 dwarf weed) seeds

[narrow folio]

That's convoluted af LOL

[chrome lantern]

Yes

[narrow folio]

So basically if you farm all the seeds then the end result is super close to prenerf

[chrome lantern]

Originally was 50% but as stated above it’s lowered to 33%

Sorta yeah because their herbs/7 estimate is super conservative

At 99 with everything unlocked it’s closer to 9

[narrow folio]

Yeah

[chrome lantern]

So doesn’t quite make up for it but shifts some of it to farming which was intended

[tiny epoch]

toa

[upper ice]

Whatever man I’m still gonna do Colo

It’s still like 10m/h fuck it

[real fox]

Can we get a confirmation / look into this one this week. Seems like a lot of people are going dry for keys at Obor.

Whilst we're looking at Obor can we look at removing the warnings (adding a toggle) from the boss too, when teleing out of the lair I am getting two warnings each time letting me know there might be loot on the floor to pick up. And a similar warning when dropping my empty vials on the floor too.

[thick beacon]

there was a suggestion in game suggestions got alot of up vote

seems alot of ppl wana see quiver just work universally

guy brought up a good point to about how we are bringing delve boots/weakneses but we draw the line at quiver

itd help sunfire splinters alot as well since ppl without tbow would buy them then

[winter hearth]

Yeah we're investigating those reports today, might be something else has gone wrong. Should also be seeing a Quick-Enter/Quick-Leave either this week or next

[sharp cave]

to say its "increased" and then not actually increase the rate is extremely misleading

[magic flint]

boss can u really look into this its a real dilemma and Jagex left it with a cliffhanger update that makes games even more abusable https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1383416324948099174

[rare grotto]

@winter hearth Will there be a readjustment to toa purp rates? Currently it's optimal to do 400/450 (500 if you're really good) and nothing inbetween. Surely u should be rewarded to push invo

or at the very least it should be somewhat linear inbetween 50 thresholds

[nocturne solstice]

Is it not strange to say "optimal" then a range, then say there is nothing in between?

Would the " nothing in between" not logically be the invos in that range you expressed (400-500) and/or running un-optimally?

[rare grotto]

no i'm saying u either run 400 or 450s

anything inbetween is straight up worse

and it's weird we went from pushing invo as high as possible (545/550) being meta to 450/500 being meta

[magic flint]

why is ur bio on disc a rwting service selling toa ca and kits

[rare grotto]

i don't do rwt 😄

[nocturne solstice]

They could be offering GP services which arent bannable and you can carry people for those specific things

[nocturne solstice]

This is for purple rate though no? You would be pushing higher rates for those purples to be better (more shadow and masori over fang and lb)

The reward is just shifted from more purples to better purples

[rare grotto]

yeah so at best you will do 500 quiet prayer raids, which most ppl will not have any consistency with

for most 450s would be better, since u don't need qp there

maybe the weighings should be linear so ur not forced to do them at 50 invo thresholds, and it should scale past 500

[nocturne solstice]

If it's "for most" is that not fine? That was the case before as well with most people running <300s (47%) and only 7% of completions being 450+

[rare grotto]

i do not believe 450 should be optimal

[nocturne solstice]

Why not

and again, optimal for purple drops but not necessarily best purples

Higher invos would be similar purple rates and better purples

well I say similar but its still better

[rare grotto]

you can safely ignore most invos that challenge the raid and most importantly, it is very hard to die with those invos

raid should push you to push invo

and it doesn't with its current implementation

[nocturne solstice]

A challenge mode shouldnt be the optimal mode though, why should it be?

It should be just the challenge mode no?

[rare grotto]

who said it's a challenge mode

[nocturne solstice]

You're saying a 450 is not challenging enough and want the most optimal to be more challenging.

Considering that 300+ is already considered expert and you want it even more harder is that not a more challenging mode?

[rare grotto]

300 was named expert mode by jagex on RELEASE, it is anything but that rn considering how much it's been watered down since

jagex also thought 500s would be impossible

👍

[timber drift]

are we ready for monke monday

🦍

[nocturne solstice]

I think difficulty is very subjective per player and it's unfair to make those claims. Also if they thought it was impossible why did they have the orn kit at 500

[rare grotto]

the latter is what it comes down to yes. Most optimal invo should be hard, though not necessarily hardest. There's a huge bridge between 450 and 500s in difficulty

[nocturne solstice]

Where do you want the hardest to be?

[rare grotto]

it's not right that 450s are wheelchair and 500s u are on life support

[nocturne solstice]

sorry correction

where do you want the optimal to be

Cause if its just 470s by turning on qp that just feels so... lame

[rare grotto]

considering the invos and how they play out, a bit over 550 sounds about right. I would say 600 but just because of the way some invos play out they'll never be meta to run

[nocturne solstice]

Ive done 500s solo and honestly I dont find it much different from 300s. The biggest difference I've had was warden but thats because I was running overly draining instead of qp and some other stuff.

[rare grotto]

see: medic

[nocturne solstice]

I think its a bit of an exaggeration to focus so much on personal perception of difficulty to determine what drop chances are appropriate

[rare grotto]

it's fair to say 300 invo raids are legit noob raids though. Can't really call it expert when more than half of the invos are turned off.

[rare grotto]

i mean it's just objectively true

qp makes the raid significantly harder

and u have to run it for optimal 500s

[nocturne solstice]

Using your personal perception of difficulty and calling it objectively true is silly.

QP makes the raid harder thats true, feeling special also makes it harder but it's considered a non issue for a lot of players. A free invo even.

I've run some learners and learners do struggle.

[rare grotto]

are u comparing fs to qp

sry that's dumb

[nocturne solstice]

Im comparing an invo to an invo

[rare grotto]

yes and not all invos are created equal

[nocturne solstice]

if you think im saying fs is qp

then you're significantly misunderstanding

On an extremely ridiculous level

[rare grotto]

all i'm seeing is false equivalence, do clarify if it's not the case

[nocturne solstice]

Okay is playing without fs completely like, braindead easy?

[rare grotto]

you don't understand, fs does not change your approach to the raid and your gear

qp does

hence it's not fair to compare them

[nocturne solstice]

Thats not what this is about though, we're discussing perceived difficulty and how this isnt about just you and your own personal experiences.

[rare grotto]

also i'm not complaining about qp, i think the invo is fine. But u should be appropriately rewarded if u run that invo, vs just completely foregoing that invo and afking at a 450

[nocturne solstice]

Other people have their own hurdles that they find challenging and difficulties/rewards should be based on the majority of players not just the top 10%

qp was kinda just the example for where you might find it to be appropriate for optimal runs since you said therer was a huge bridge between 450 and 500s

When personally I didnt find much change between 300 and 500

[rare grotto]

the 500 u ran is essentially what a 450 would look like

u did not run a qp 500 for ur kit or w/e

[nocturne solstice]

Correct, so you're just hyper focused on your hurdle of qp and now we're ignoring invos

[rare grotto]

and like u said, there is no big diff between 300/500 (no qp), they're all wheelchair which is my whole point

[nocturne solstice]

Since 500s dont count unless its with qp

[rare grotto]

yeah you are griefing your pph if u do 500s without qp, i thought i was clear when i said optimal invos

u should do 450s if u can't do 500 qp

which is my point of the whole thing

[nocturne solstice]

No your point was that 400-450s being optimal is bad and you wanted it to be higher. Now we know that you dont want it higher you just want harder runs to be more rewarding.

[rare grotto]

because the purp rate's been squished down, you just cannot be running invos that lose time (OD, more ovl, path invos) because they add way too much time for not a lot of purp %

[nocturne solstice]

Since invo numbers dont matter to you. Like you said, 500 no qp are all "wheelchair"

[rare grotto]

wait how did u come to that conclusion

[nocturne solstice]

So really the best way to satisfy you is just for specific invos to increase drop chance, not invo number

[rare grotto]

u can run 500 no qp, but they're just not optimal and that's why i said that for most ppl optimal will be 400/450

because of that exact reason

if u don't run qp, u don't do 500s

[nocturne solstice]

Of course they're not optimal, you already said 400-450s are optimal and thats the problem you have.

[rare grotto]

i didn't make the new purp rates, that'sj ust how it is

[rare grotto]

it should be higher than 500 (like it was before) is all i said

and we should get rid of the weird 'only do raids at 50 invo thresholds'

[nocturne solstice]

Im fine with that

Personally I never let that stop me before but

I do get its kinda... trendy? iunno

[rare grotto]

you agreed with me because u think 300 and 500s didn't change

so yeah optimal invo being wheelchair is not right

i think some invos dying with these changes (from pph perspective) is not right

whereas before there was always some argument to be made for xyz invo

rn if u run OD, path invos, more ovl (arguably wtp) ur just griefing urself

whereas before they were fine invos to use?

[nocturne solstice]

I think thats just ways for people to pump up the invo for better shadow drop chance and avoid invos they have difficulty with or dont want to learn.

The main disagreement I have with you is at what point is it hard enough to be an acceptable difficulty for optimal.

Since right now I feel like your argument is focused on "The point where I find it challenging enough is the best spot for optimal runs to be"

[rare grotto]

if their goal was shadow then they should not use those invos is what it maths out to

[nocturne solstice]

Is your math just the purple % or did it also factor in the specific purple rates?

[timber drift]

they're still arguing about 450 vs 500 but i cant even bring up monke hp fix.....

[rare grotto]

no, my argument is that the jump in difficulty from 450 -> 500 (optimal invo, so qp) is not rewarded proportionally. I urge anyone to try a qp raid and then try to argue it's just another invo etc

u get quite a few constraints for running it, and u HAVE to run it if u wanna be optimal

you cant run other high invos because they lose too much time for not a lot of purp%

before it was fine to run them because u did get rewarded (too much) even if they lost time

the nerfs are fine, they were just a bit too heavy handed

kinda killed high invo toa

and u don't rly have any freedom with the invos

[nocturne solstice]

So your argument there of 450 -> 500 optimally is not being rewarded appropriately is actually just arguing the use of specific invos dont feel properly rewarded which is why I said this a while back.

[rare grotto]

(have to run at 50 thresholds, cant use time loss invos)

the use of specific invos is FORCED on you by their new design

i did not choose them

[nocturne solstice]

Well im not saying or assuming you did either

People did some fancy math and found those to be the optimal invos

but then the drop rates changed of course

[rare grotto]

by all means u should just consider there to be only 1 500, 1 450

there's no freedom

[nocturne solstice]

Except there isnt and you shouldn't. It's just optimal and not optimal.

[rare grotto]

yeah running non optimal invos is not rly worth arguing about

if u wanna grief ur time, be my guest

[nocturne solstice]

Slightly tangential question. Do you think every piece of content should be designed specifically with optimal in mind?

Like, every aspect of the content

[chrome lantern]

huh

[rare grotto]

circling back to this, because specific invos are forced on you, my argument of going from the optimal 450 -> to optimal 500 is that it's not being rewarded properly. Furthermore, if you somehow don't use the optimal invos, you get rewarded even more disproportionally (if at all)

there's a fat chance u just end up making it worse for yourself not running best invos

[chrome lantern]

How does that statement exist

A 300 is nothing like a 500

[slender vapor]

Tell me you've never run a 500 without telling me you've never run a 500

[rare grotto]

it depends what you're trying to make

if you're making endgame content (eg raids), then yes

[chrome lantern]

I did 60 of them pre update

I can tell you it’s definitely not a 300

Not anything like

[nocturne solstice]

I do understand that, and I think it's partly intended with the drop rate nerfs but also i doubt that accounts for the specific drop changes.

[slender vapor]

Wasn't at you

[chrome lantern]

I know

[slender vapor]

Was at the thing you replied to

[chrome lantern]

I’m just agreeing

[slender vapor]

Ah okay then

[nocturne solstice]

Why are you arguing with each other from sassing me

so much tension in here

[rare grotto]

nah ppl specifically looked at #raids for shadow, alongside purp chance

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn’t really call that arguing

More bewilderment

[nocturne solstice]

Like I discussed with Zapdos though, I did an un optimal 500s

[slender vapor]

[rare grotto]

that unoptimal 500s was probably fine to run pph-wise before, and now it's completely grief 😂

[nocturne solstice]

So different invos used makes it not much different. My argument here is that the invo level doesnt matter when its more about specific invos that change the raid that should be rewarding.

[chrome lantern]

Hey, that’s my 500s too, probably

:)

:(

[rare grotto]

yup can't run those anymore unless u just wanna take more raids to see a shadow

have to go to 400/450 specifically

very good design

[chrome lantern]

I’m very saddened that Jagex expects me to do 20% more raids to break my 4.5x masori chaps dry streak

Yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Simply get the drop 🙃

[chrome lantern]

I wasn’t even able to get any drops, much less the drop

At 75% my overall expected number of purples

Based on point tracking

[nocturne solstice]

F, shoulda just got lucky

But then agian probably better to be lucky at tob

[chrome lantern]

I’ll let you know when I get anywhere near scythe rate :p

210 tob rn

[nocturne solstice]

Still no scythe? yikes

Need a dry trophy or something

[chrome lantern]

That’s not even remotely rate

[slender vapor]

That's usually called the pet

[nocturne solstice]

Okay rephrase, surely a split at 210 right?

[chrome lantern]

I’ve seen scythes but idc

[nocturne solstice]

not the same thing of course but

okay well its not the worst thing in the world then

still sad tho

[timber drift]

i get it, i have to use 100% more dragon darts to run the raid now very saddened as well

[chrome lantern]

Pretty irrelevant to my own rng

[chrome lantern]

Not really remotely related

[rare grotto]

etube just ignore him

he actively refuses to use range pot (that would allow him to 2 shot) and just baits reactions in here

[nocturne solstice]

I like to think of it as "coulda been me" moment when teammate gets the drop. As long as we split though I'm happy

[chrome lantern]

Nah

[nocturne solstice]

100% more of 0 is still 0

[chrome lantern]

I studied enough statistics in undergrad/masters to not delude myself

[nocturne solstice]

Deluding myself is the way

[chrome lantern]

Is it one of the better outcomes of me not getting a purple? Yes. But I’m not gonna pretend like it has any effect on my own drops/rng

[nocturne solstice]

Delusions = happiness and purples

Winning

[chrome lantern]

I feel like if anything, since I don’t care about split money

Seeing purples not for me would just get me more annoyed

[nocturne solstice]

That sounds very unwholesome of you

[chrome lantern]

Not really different from people being like “omg I rolled manacles, that’s on the boots table, could’ve been 5 ranger boots.” Not saying I want to see others not get stuff but when others get “undeserved” drops on thing I’m going dry on it definitely doesn’t feel positive

Like I only feel annoyed when I see someone spoon a shadow in a 150 tbh because it’s just crazy dumb (but Jagex didn’t touch those rates either)

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like even calling it "underserved" unveils a look into your subconscious mind that's very unwholesome

[timber drift]

me when i get lucky: :D
me when others get lucky: >:(

[nocturne solstice]

I the end its just luck, lucky or unlucky, I dont really attribute deserved or undeserved into it all

I only sympathize with people that go dry

[warm storm]

you mean people who deserve a drop?

[nocturne solstice]

No

I said what I said

[timber drift]

i went roughly 8x on my first chambers drop and it was a dhcb atleast it will never get worse than that

.. i think

[chrome lantern]

Call me unwholesome or whatever you want but I don’t really get any enjoyment out of seeing other people get stuff most of the time, because it doesn’t do anything for me directly. And I feel like that’s not too unreasonable.

[nocturne solstice]

its funny just a year or so ago worse than that woulda been elder maul

look at that fella now

[timber drift]

its all good i got 3 megas after

(all kodai)

[nocturne solstice]

[timber drift]

and then rigour at 620

we love chambers

[nocturne solstice]

Huge for UIM

[timber drift]

atleast etube would think they're deserved

silver lining

[safe elk]

@nocturne solstice hey, is it reasonable to ask for toa raid level completion to be shown alongside the time ?

Currently it will show time completed but doesn’t show the raid level ?

[nocturne solstice]

Is this at the scoreboard at the lobby?

[safe elk]

Yes but scoreboard isn’t broadcast in the clan chat

The time completed is

Just not the raid level

[nocturne solstice]

I think on the scoreboard it may be unreasonable as you'd need to have a category for each possible invo level if you want a time record for every possible invo level of completion

If you just wan clan chat to broadcast the lvl you cleared it at then maybe

[safe elk]

Yeah that’s exactly it

Just not the time only but the raid level alongside in the broadcast

[nocturne solstice]

Sounds reasonable, I wouldnt be surprised if a plugin already did that even

fyi im not a dev on the game, I just mod the discord server here

[safe elk]

Oh I thought you were a special person. Like higher up

[nocturne solstice]

nah im a scrub that mods the server here to keep things tidy. Feel free to make a thread about it in #1022203837265756231 though.

The devs peek there now and then even if they dont post much

[safe elk]

Thank you!

You should be up there, that’s for sure.

[nocturne solstice]

[analog knot]

Where is the final dawn quest?

[restive siren]

in varlamore pt 3?

wdym

[green pewter]

If you're asking when it comes out in 23 days I think

[analog knot]

Ithought it was out already?

oh wait

I misread

Sorry

[old chasm]

nah, in about 3 weeks time

[analog knot]

July 23

I am illiterate

XD

[real fox]

Thank you :)

[meager flame]

Comparison is the thief of joy as they say

[granite bane]

do we have confirmation of when the clue scroll update is happening?

[ember token]

this week

[broken lark]

It's still June. They can still throw in the Pride event.

[ember token]

so true

any day now

[obsidian venture]

Def tmrw

[idle rapids]

Surely

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[jade hare]

do we know if the tzhaar around mor ul rek are getting the water weakness added with the upcoming update?

[ember token]

Based on crowdsourced data, it seems the drop rates of the keys from obor/bryo is roughly 1/32 now

[ripe spoke]

is there by any chance a way to push the possibility of adding LATAM servers to OSRS? New content gets more mechanical everytime and its very hard to scape properly. I dont know how to make mods see this 😦

[ember token]

jmods are aware of the demand but it's more in the hands of the higher ups at jagex

[ripe spoke]

possibilities being?? %

[ember token]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe spoke]

just a few LATAM servers im begging

ty for the answer tyty

[real fox]

Yeah I thought so, feels like it, though I'm still dry for that rate too

[fossil epoch]

Its been asked for since before the pandemic, and it gets asked a few times a month, its most likely just not happening because of money

[final frigate]

asia ..

[winged mantle]

They probably need to add more servers across the board with inclusion of other regions

The player count is at an all time high

[dire mango]

Player count being high doesn't necessarily mean there are more players/demand for servers in other regions than before though.

With mtx reductions in rs3 and scrapping project zanaris i doubt they'd want to spend money on region server expansions sadly.

[winged mantle]

Being Australian with worlds constantly full of people at the content where there is no instances says otherwise. Especially noticeable when leagues comes around

[jovial sentinel]

I wouldnt call australia 'just' another region though. We only have a few servers, and feel less populated than others.

The problem is likely a mix of that and those people likely also being mostly bond buyers, not money spenders, which we (australians) are not, at least anymore than anywhere else.

LATAM is south america? They are a pretty poor people, sadly

Kind of well known for needing regional prices to afford anything

[dire mango]

Without knowing where the connections are from we can't really tell if that's more people from Asia playing or just more Australians though. Might just be that getting more AUS servers will fix that.

[winged mantle]

Would be very happy if even 5 more aussie servers were provided tbh. Would like servers for the locations that play on mass but have to use servers with the least bad ping

[jovial sentinel]

I dont really see the need for more servers. Less if anything

The only reason you'd want more is because you're competing for stuff, to which more of that should just be added (assuming its a problem)

[chrome lantern]

Servers tend to get pretty bad pretty fast when they go over like 60-70% capacity

[jovial sentinel]

Its extremely rare to see that on more than a single one of our servers

Maybe theres a few, i dont look that closely

But we have loads of worlds

[winged mantle]

we basically have 18 aussie servers

[slender vapor]

Osrs needs Asia and South American servers though deadass

[winged mantle]

Absolutely

[slender vapor]

There's definitely enough players in those areas to warrant it imo

[final frigate]

and asia would open up aussie servers a lot too

cause i assume maybe aus players rn are asians lowest ping

depending on where exactly in asia a mix of us west and aus

[winged mantle]

other asia servers would be a great alternative to us west coast 180 ping

[compact flicker]

South African servers when. There's like a whole 3 (three) people playing here 😔

[slender linden]

Um whats happening with Tumeken price 😭

[short steeple]

It is going down

[slender vapor]

Demand for shadow is down

[vivid ruin]

Jagex create a sink for the over farmed shadow pleae

[hard axle]

Did they say something about taking it off item sink list a while ago?

[vivid ruin]

I know they updated the sink list but im truthfully not up to date with it

[slender vapor]

Just wait till we get another shadow bis boss

The market operates on vibes

It's kinda funny how quickly fang doubled in price

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i know people who have huge stacks waiting for it to go up more

[slender vapor]

https://i.imgur.com/GJyOreQ.png

Stonks say up

I have a feeling jagex wants to clean out the extreme surplus with the GE tax

I do wonder just how high they cranked the item deletion rate though

[hard axle]

They could easily do that because only 1/4 of that ge tax at 1%

is used to delete items iirc

so 0.25%

if they used the full 2% over several months (means no GP sink), prices would skyrocket up due to both gp inflation and less supply.

basically quantitative easing

[hasty shard]

perhaps the baby raid isnt meant to have a 1b weapon just saying

[hard axle]

^

this too

shadow shouldn't have been in toa

[slender vapor]

A cheaper mega rare isn't exactly something most of the community is upset about tbh

It's just the cheap bastards that own them and merch them that are sad

"Hey, that's more affordable, i want it"

[true talon]

It’s not a baby raid lmfao

[rain fulcrum]

ToA is a baby raid yes

[true talon]

Highest amount of end game hcim deaths of any content.

[obsidian venture]

It’s literally the “entry” to raids according to Jagex

Hcim deaths are irrelevant to that lmao

Hcim die to frem guards, is that supposed to signify anything?

[true talon]

I think you’re thinking about lvl 0 as yes it is easy. But these are also not rewarding or worth doing for anyone.

[obsidian venture]

No I’m not thinking about certain invos. I’m repeating what Jagex has said multiple times as to what toa was pitched as

[true talon]

Same with 150. Ex even at 150 a limited acc like dunelord still took an hour per raid with high chance of dying.

Need to stop looking at everything from max gear and stats perspective.

[obsidian venture]

That’s great for them

I’m not looking from a max gear perspective

I’m looking at it through the pitch they stated themselves

What they were looking through idk

[true talon]

Yea it was pitched as accessible raid, but that doesn’t make it easy at the rewarding stages. Only reason tob is so awful to get Into is due to the team gate keep. Cox is not that difficult either.

[rain fulcrum]

It has a high death count because the baby accounts go there and die

Not nearly as many hcim run tob

[true talon]

Toa was a massive success and plenty challenging.

[rain fulcrum]

And cox obviously you can't fuckin die

[true talon]

Tob has least deaths because it’s piss easy, your at the mercy of your teammates more than the raid itself.

[obsidian venture]

[rain fulcrum]

Lmao

Tass this is low quality bait even for u

[true talon]

Tob is not hard mechanically.

[hasty shard]

duke is the hardest dt2 boss for hcim because of the one hit yeah

[obsidian venture]

Wish Tass talked this in wdr instead of camping drops channel

He’d be absolutely cooked

As this server cannot handle that

[hasty shard]

would you rather them over the saradomin guy

[obsidian venture]

They’re both equally (cannot say)

[rain fulcrum]

Surface tob isn't difficult mechanically because it has a focus on team play rather than raw do this to not die mechanics

[rain fulcrum]

[true talon]

Difference is idc what you have to say about me or what I say lol. I only bring about facts with proven data. What’s easy to you or difficult to me has no bearing in the conversation, because I’m not an elitest who looks at everything from a max perspective.

[obsidian venture]

If we are talking base mechanics from a learner pov it’s still tob > cox > toa

[true talon]

Same reason in wow that I don’t look at everything from an end game perspective.

[obsidian venture]

But sure tob at a base isn’t mechanically as hard as people think it is + not as gear locked

[true talon]

Cox solo is difficult only for Olm but even then you can do 1-0 every phase and take 0 damage the fight will just drag on.

[obsidian venture]

Thing is, you usually don’t bring facts to the discussion and usually argue with sus game knowledge. It’s ok to talk from a max perspective because you have to actually work to get there

It’s not that I logged in and was a max/endame player. There’s years of pvm experience mixed in

[hard axle]

max is an objective measure - non-max ranges from rags to psuedo bis with bis

[obsidian venture]

If you genuinely talked with more game knowledge and understanding, we actually wouldn’t disagree on things

[true talon]

There needs to be an understanding that max efficiency and speeding up the encounter is not the same as doing the baseline fight

[obsidian venture]

But if multiple folks need to call you out in almost 95% of conversations, then you’re not in the right at all. I’d reflect if I were you

[true talon]

1-0 Olm is easy it just takes forever

[hasty shard]

we're also talking about data referring to all of toa vs its current state

[true talon]

Ranging xarpus is easy

[hasty shard]

where baba is a zero damage room and theres basically no orbs at akkha

[hard axle]

And how are you deciding what is baseline or not?

We had this exact situation where you insisted it was mage-only at Yama and Jagex said no, melee was the way.

[hasty shard]

wouldve been cool if mage was bis tbh

[obsidian venture]

Yeah disagreed with Mod Goblin, who I’m sure is more qualified than Tass

[hard axle]

Sounds like you're frankly making shit up and assuming your position is the baseline 99% of the time

[true talon]

False I insisted demonbane be made the same tick speed as all the other demonbane.

[obsidian venture]

If you haven’t noticed by now, Rat and I care more for game longevity than anything.

[hard axle]

False, you were saying how donofly shouldn't exist and Jagex in the blog said they knew it would.

[obsidian venture]

Always inserting random shit like max eff and max gear and Hlc just highlights your insecurities

[true talon]

Actually melee was not the way, melee made the encounter a lot easier due to kill speed bypassing every mechanic that would challenge you.

[hard axle]

you bypass the same mechanics doing mage if you knew what u were doing btw

i tol you this before

look up kirby big skip

u use it for purifying isigl

bomb dodge is on a static cycle, which is why it exists for mage + melee

[true talon]

Regardless it was clear the boss wa designed to be melee and mage with roles. However jagex didn’t add contribution to the flares so maging not only griefed your contribution but also your overall kill time.

If roles wasn’t meant to be a thing then the boss wouldn’t have -30 magic when someone is meleeing

[hard axle]

they come in waves

and this wave is big this time

[true talon]

They come in waves and leave in waves

[hard axle]

no, this time is a tsunami

[true talon]

Wait for the crash of toa items

[hard axle]

like it's geniunely bad this time

[true talon]

Buy the dip

[hard axle]

even if it was at -30 entire time, dps is still worse because it's meant to be less punishing, but also less rewarding

it goes up so solos aren't too chill

[hasty shard]

have you considered this may just bring up kirby the video game series speedrunning videos

[hard axle]

the fact you don't have to time to avoid melee with magic, which avoids jellyfish spawning extra times, is the benefit of mage

like, when pet contract meta was chicken method and people stood melee, it was WORSE than doing it the normal way

because you were force spawning jellies

over bombs

[hasty shard]

its kinda weird they didnt make the contracts drain immune tbh

like. awakened are

mfw

[hard axle]

my kph shot up 30%

[austere mulch]

Doubt

[hard axle]

😭

yeah possibly

cuz if you run it 24 hours

[austere mulch]

Much more likely that it was intended to be melees with magic as a decent option given than melee was known in development to be possible, but harder, p3

[hard axle]

it's close to 100 kills a day

[rare grotto]

bait bait bait

[hard axle]

okay so 30 minute kills cuz shit gear

a month 😭

[small anvil]

Tass just says whatever he thinks as if it's absolute truth

Whatever he wants to be true*

[rare grotto]

if u repeat it enough it'll be truth (for you)

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I’d hate to wake up to be constantly wrong and deluded

[obsidian venture]

He needs a mirror and needs to reflect a lil

Asking a lot I know

[final frigate]

toa good!

[sacred oracle]

i'm late to the party, but i feel like "baby raid" is dismissive

i know people who are Good At The Game like to classify everything as easy, and maybe it is to them, but toa still has a lot of challenges, and i don't see the value in devaluing them by dismissing it as a baby raid

i know the response will be that's not what you intended, but that's the actual effect

in any case, that's all i had to say

as you were

[austere mulch]

Weenie hut jr raid for the most part

There’s definitely some banter with it, but there’s nothing wrong with calling it the easy/baby raid even though it can be challenging for some players

Would be similar to calling fight caves the baby inferno. It’s true, but it’s not necessarily dismissing the accomplishment of getting your first kc

[sacred oracle]

true, but i don't feel they're on the same level

i feel like good players are eager to reduce everything to easy

and toa is hard

the invos are hard

it's hard to do 400s

it's hard to do 500s!

i'd rather people just acknowledge that they're good at the game than instead saying everything is easy and reducing other people

but it's a personal problem

[obsidian venture]

Sometimes toning it down can help the brickwall mindset some folks get into

It’s not like folks instantly became good at it

But it does affect folks differently

[sacred oracle]

that may be the case

i think the intention is, i'm going to pretend this content is easy, because then other people will be encouraged and feel that it's not a big deal and this will make them push through

but perhaps it's just a personal problem and a quirk of my own mind, but when i hear other people say stuff is easy, and then i have to work at it and fail repeatedly, it just makes me feel that i'm bullshit

and if this is easy, then i must just be really Bad At The Game if i'm struggling to do something people keep telling me is easy

[frail bough]

Agreed.

[true talon]

Rocket science is easy, you should have no issues going to space.

It’s a matter of perspective

[frail bough]

Something failed? Just don't!

Keep HP above zero boys, it's just that easy.

[true talon]

This is actually a valid claim, often I die because I sit at chancable hp like an idiot lol

Or I’m saving my ambrosia for the next raid

[frail bough]

Yeah it is often more true than not in my experience.

[true talon]

Olm can’t hit a 40 right?

Bam a 40

[frail bough]

I'm good with people doing it if they acknowledge it was cause they were low hp and not "oh bro i clicked!"

Like yeah, sure you clicked but you also have 17 brews in your inventory you coulda used and just not been low hp literally ever.

[true talon]

But a lot of that comes down to that people are so obsessed with dps that they literally bring next to 0 supplies

[frail bough]

yerp

[rare grotto]

u can tickeat it

noob

👍

[true talon]

Enter verzik on 416 with 1 brew and dies “this raid sucks”

[sacred skiff]

11-way switch with lucky penny

[frail bough]

Don't get me wrong, I can get in the mindset of "fuck it just send" but when people with 1400 tob kc are dying in bloat room every run because they can tick eat but end up dying to something else silly, like idk, maybe a teammate fucking up. Then plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz just don't

As they say, you can't dps if dead

[true talon]

My friend losing 70% of his hp to hit a bgs at the start and later dies

[frail bough]

Literally exactly that

[true talon]

Or does because boost changes direction

[frail bough]

But bro, i hit a 7!!!!

#worth

[true talon]

I decreased my deaths at vard by using blood fury to not be chancable hp all the time

Also can do 20+ kill trips now

[frail bough]

I know everyone's got their play styles but fuck me the game is so boring if you're in a cage or have to do the entire room twice as long for potential DPS

[obsidian venture]

Moreso if they say it is and don’t offer to help, it can feel condescending sure

But a lot of stuff in endgame is legit dying till you get it tbh. So for us, dying is literally whatever

Just gotta keep practicing/sending till it either clicks or you understand the method

That generally leads to guides being made, and dumbed down for others to learn from, which is a positive

[tough nacelle]

I think the distinction is toa is clear

It’s Super punishing

But it’s not like solo olm that’s complex

People use the wrong words constantly

Toa isn’t easy, it’s straightforward

Cox id argue is easier but more complex

Basically what I mean is olm turns his head in a very weird rhythm if you don’t understand it

[hasty shard]

and i said its baby because they removed ways to realistically die at toa

[tough nacelle]

Whereas toa is very clear as to what damage you’re going to take and when

With options to avoid it

[hasty shard]

not only are baba and akkha so much less damage, that also means you just have more supplies for the raid to squander

[tough nacelle]

But if you don’t avoid it you just explode

Haven’t don’t toa since the changes though

But yeah people use easy and simple interchangeably and it makes people feel bad

[hasty shard]

you kind of dont need to interact with boulders anymore now; you can just afk at a sarcophagi kinda

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I legit drag baba down and afk

Then do boulders

Then repeat

Then stay at top for the next room

[hasty shard]

oh true dragging is tech

[true talon]

Let’s be real, no1 was using supplies at either boss. Baba was 5-1 or red x and ahhka was butterflied, maybe the orb phase needed a Keri’s spec or brew

[obsidian venture]

I actually use more supplies at baba now

[tough nacelle]

Lots of people didn’t do that

[obsidian venture]

Before I didn’t even have to sip a restore

[tough nacelle]

I’d argue most people in TOA didn’t

Only if you ran the raid all the time

[obsidian venture]

Most people didn’t indeed

Was a tech a few did

Red x tho was a bit more
Popular

[true talon]

Yes most people use supplies at baba now if your not red-x

[hasty shard]

yeah they werent but now there's literally no excuse to be using supplies there

[rain fulcrum]

The goal in bloat is to wipe the raid but have it not be your fault

[hasty shard]

ok for akkha there is

[obsidian venture]

I will die every bloat and it’s going to be memes everytime

[hasty shard]

but baba yeah no what are you doing if you gotta go through a brew, practice on an entry raid for a bit

[rain fulcrum]

Bloat wipes are the most fun thing in all of osrs

[obsidian venture]

Cba playing safe 🤣

The funniest clips unironically are from bloat

At least the ones I have

[rain fulcrum]

Idk the maiden ones are pretty peak

The no fucking way one

[obsidian venture]

Also sometimes sote mazes

Or cleanup at nylo

Have 2 goated p1 clips

Claw spec 🔥

[rain fulcrum]

Yep I've done that

In a 3+1 (1 guy rage quit)

We nearly wiped p1

[true talon]

When sweep up blog part 2 😦

[fossil epoch]

asked goblin about like a week+ ago if the blog post for summer sweep up p2 would be before or after varla p3, and he said he couldnt say exactly, because they are scheduled around the same time, and they werent sure if it was before or after yet

[dire mango]

they've said it's coming in july, and that the sweep up update itself will come in august. They don't want too much time between blog and update so the blog release has been set closer to the update release.

[earnest marsh]

so excited for it!!!

i wanted to delay slayer on my iron

but its so long too 😦

[hard axle]

I wish the sweep up was prioritized over new content

I' mglad part 1 was relatively fast

in implementation

[earnest marsh]

samme

[true talon]

Well this week is said to be stackable clues (cant wait to have 5 of each in my bank and cont to ignore them XD)

so the week after this will be a dead week?

then the week after that will be varl part 3

This is closest i can find. seems its prob in 2 weeks

for the blog on summer sweep part 2

[ember token]

I imagine we'll get summer sweepup part 1 fixes this update and next update

and then the update before varlamore p3 (on the 16th) will be nothing

[thick beacon]

changes they have made imo as gotten rid of alot of difficulty on lower end

anyone that was doing like normals before can just jump to experts now

[timber drift]

gonna be great.... amethyst darts at monke room again tomorrow.....

just in time........

[meager flame]

tbh

i think they're either going to have to move really fast on the sweep up stuff in august

or it might get pushed back for awhile

isn't sailing supposed to happen after part 3

and you know thats like -2 weeks pre update and post update for both of those

[austere mulch]

As long as horn working with claws is on that sweep up, it can take as long as it needs

[meager flame]

and its july first

[austere mulch]

[hasty shard]

inb4 the slayer sweep up is them removing slayer points

[meager flame]

so you can basically count on at least a month of the next 2 months

either being nothing and prep

or fix weeks

[vivid ruin]

#makehornusefuljagex

[hasty shard]

true

[meager flame]

assuming sailing doesn't get delayed anyways

which i think it might

[austere mulch]

Summer sweep up = remove skippable tasks and introduce repeatable tasks for 100 pts per repeat

[meager flame]

oh and also

they're going to have to go off on sailing blogs and feedback

[austere mulch]

After playing the alpha, sailing really feels like it needs to be delayed. Particularly sailing combat (even removing sailing combat as a whole is preferred)

[meager flame]

idk their time budget looks less sane than i'd like

[hasty shard]

i dont think the combat is bad they just had fuck all to show for it

[meager flame]

i actually think they maybe are making a huge mistake by not getting on with sailing blogs and polls right now

[hasty shard]

this was really just the alpha but with combat and crew enabled

[meager flame]

unless they're already planning for delays

i just have no idea how they're going to like

release varlamore part 3 react to it blog and poll remaining sailing content

release sailing

do more sweep up

etc

in 2 months

[hasty shard]

i wouldnt be mad at sailing 2026

[austere mulch]

Sailing as a skill felt fine in both the alpha and beta. Sailing combat felt extremely out of place

At a foundation

[meager flame]

yeah i have to agree i think the sailing combat we got was

dogshit

[hasty shard]

to bend the stick a little more yeahhh kinda

[austere mulch]

Not just implementation, can’t expect much there in an alpha

[meager flame]

and i think a lot of that had to do with the directional cannon stuff

[hasty shard]

its really just like. normal combat its boring lol

[meager flame]

like

maybe they plan for at a high level you just have a cannon facing in every direction so you aren't going through the like

strafing run basically lol

if you happen to sail up from the wrong direction

[hasty shard]

i found out you can safespot sea things on your boat with positioning which is funny

[meager flame]

and tbh

i think with omni directional cannons basically it would likely be a lot more fun

[hasty shard]

the angles pretty lenient, you'd only need 2 cannons

[meager flame]

you could make scenarios like npcs chasing you so you have to like

sail through obstacles and into rapids or whatever to go faster

while you fight them

[hasty shard]

at that point enable normal combat on the boat and let people range

[meager flame]

but if they lean on the directional stuff

its gonna feel jank

sorry i'd kill the kraken guys but i have to turn around give me like 10 seconds

mid raid

[austere mulch]

Would be better than ship combat imo

[hasty shard]

i think the damage 100% needs to be scaled up

you probably could slot in normal combat alongside cannons then

[meager flame]

im not even worried about the damage those numbers are just visuals

its about how it actually feels to move around and get into position to do damage to begin with

[austere mulch]

To me it just seems like something that could be cool/aspirational (from a development perspective) on paper, but has no palatable implementation

[meager flame]

it seems like it'll work out better if you're more worried about sailing to evade mechanics and so on

than sailing to make sure you're looking in the right direction

honestly would be kinda more on brand with the skill too

[austere mulch]

Sailing is a traveling/exploring skill, so it should develop on that

Not be a traveling / pseudocombat skill

[meager flame]

i think its fine to have combat i think they just focused on the wrong parts of it

like ultimately it should just be you sailing your boat better somehow if you're gonna fight a creature with your boat

its really weird that we were pulling up and watching our boat auto attack and using repair kits

[vivid ruin]

They could easily make a sailing based minigame where you and your clan command a pirate ship and sink each other via cannons and tbows

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-ships-gif-27709281

[frail nebula]

So are key master tele scrolls just... unobtainable now?

[chrome lantern]

I went over 300 kc for my first set idk but the rate should be the same with more of them dropped

[ember token]

crowdsourced data says they are not dropping

currently unobtainable

explains why they're up so much in price

[heady gale]

Is that fletching knife update confirmed or just an idea?

[heady gale]

Ty

[earnest marsh]

hopefully

not all fletching bots will do this

[frank hull]

it'll be bot free for a few days but after that it'll be like any other minigame. Botted to oblivion

[ember token]

meh idk, doesnt sound like its something that'll make much gp

[frank hull]

if its profitable at all, it'll get botted. i ran into a flax picking bot farm last week

[earnest marsh]

i mean

tons of magic shortbow u eveyrhwer

[frank hull]

thats way better gp than flax lmao

[delicate wagon]

has anybody else had problems getting the twinflame to shoot earth spells at drakes?

[south thorn]

Is there a reason why the portal nexus deletes all runes and salts when moving them back to the left column? Now I have to mine all that again due to a misclick while reordering.

[ember token]

isnt there a warning when doing so?

[south thorn]

Nope

I mean there’s a confirm for cost to purchase

Why not leave it purchased afterwards, permanently.

[narrow folio]

That interface could do with a rework

[vivid iris]

I could be wrong, but I think I may have found a minor oversight on the new Phosani's.

On phase 3 (the old phase 4), if Phosani's spawns husks, and attacks you with mage (turns off your prayer), the mage husk will attack you on that same tick, making it impossible to pray against the husk

Not 100% sure but I can try recording a kill to see if it happens

[final frigate]

!report

man

@golden burrow

ty

[vestal jetty]

Whats update today?

[shadow wave]

Probably tidy up of the issues with last weeks update

[tiny epoch]

reverting toa changes

[shadow wave]

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw further reduction in Shadow and Masori drop rates given the changes have made the raid perhaps a bit easier and therefore faster than expected

[narrow folio]

I'd rather them just revert the easy changes instead of another rate nerf

Or just revert the whole thing

[fossil epoch]

i doubt a weeks worth of data is enough to already change it

[narrow folio]

Not gonna happen but that's what I'd like

[fossil epoch]

but yeh as strict said, its probably just small known bug fixes

[shadow wave]

Oh wait, aren't stackable clues this week?

Or is it next week?

[vestal jetty]

Probably yama update

As the content is dead

Needs updating

[pastel geyser]

Oathplate slash bonus doubled

[timber drift]

thank you all for your patience and understanding i just wanna say i'm happy to be vindicated and you were all wrong and i was right haha owned

[winter hearth]

Thank you for eventually stopping pinging me, we did it beast

[timber drift]

this changes everything... thank you goblin

[tiny epoch]

@winter hearth Any chance for further decreased fang weighting above 500 invo?

[timber drift]

oh the thrall trolling on arcane scarab was also fixed

unreal update

[tiny epoch]

thrall jumping arcane was huge for swarming, sad to see it go

[timber drift]

all we need with clues now is to be able to disable clue vessels per tier

looking at you beginners

[potent falcon]

Whoever decided to sort the clue table alphabetically needs to sort their life out

[winter hearth]

Has been fixed, refresh the page

[uneven kiln]

Is there any news on the mimic dry protection?

[chrome pier]

does this mean if you have done x marks the spot, and want to juggle clues, you can have say 2 easy clues on the ground but you wouldnt get a 3rd?

[chrome pier]

yeah they mentioned this but there is nothing in the blog about it

[dire mango]

Has the perfect akkha bug been fixed? Ranging on melee pray/maging on range pray/meleeing on mage pray still failed it after the update last week.

[worthy tree]

you can juggle like before, but only with open clues, not the stackable boxes

so you can have more than 2 open

[chrome pier]

Sweet ty 🙂

[rare grotto]

@winter hearth any fix to 500+ invo

[worthy tree]

i'm really sad about the fact there is no mimic dry protection though

[livid viper]

didnt see anything in the post about obor/bryo clues. they were 100% droprate before last update and they werent dropping at all after it, is this an intended change?

[visual raft]

As an F2p Ironman clue hunter, I wonder why Obor (and the rewardchest) lost its 1 on 1 clue scroll drop. This cost me over 100 clues 😦. Is this a bug or is this intended?

[winged mantle]

Tysm for this @winter hearth 👑 compliments to the team

[still sundial]

no mimic dryness protection? only part of the update I was waiting for

[timber drift]

85 elites and counting one day surely

[worthy tree]

i'm at 57 masters and 23 elites

[winter hearth]

Not entirely sure why it didn't make it in but will raise it tomorrow and see whether it can be expedited for next week

[timber drift]

do you have mimics enabled nova

[worthy tree]

i do, i checked multiple times

[timber drift]

prob herad that before

same..

[gleaming horizon]

I assume clues currently banked stay as clues and don’t turn into boxes with this?

[winter hearth]

Should be the case

[rare grotto]

goblin can there be a weighing change at 550 as well

why does it stop at 500

[sullen harness]

it hasen't been mentioned in the change notes so does this mean blue moons tornados aren't fucked?

[foggy bear]

do we know how long downtime is today

[winter hearth]

What's up with them?

[winter hearth]

Should be no downtime

[winter hearth]

No current plans afaik

[foggy bear]

absoloutley peng

ty

[livid viper]

do you know anything about beginner clues not dropping from byro / obor. not from the boss and not from the chest, tried both f2p and p2p worlds. they used to be 100% drop rate.

[sullen harness]

after last update the quantity of them went up not down, i've spoken with a few other players who were grinding moons before and after the update and they agreed. at this point i just wanna know if im insane or not lmfao

[white narwhal]

It auto destroys a clue if u try to pick it up with another already?

[winter hearth]

Yeah this was an intended change, mentioned in the first SSU blog

[timber drift]

akkha orbs got rehomed to blue moon tornados

[winter hearth]

Oh wait up

just re-read

[timber drift]

speaking of which are you guys still gonna adjust akkha orbs or just decided to leave as is?

[sullen harness]

I thought the intent was to make it so there was less of them not more?

[winter hearth]

Will make a note, bizarre

[winter hearth]

Still waiting for more long-term feedback atm

[winter hearth]

Have passed it on

[timber drift]

alright fair ty

[sullen harness]

yeah, i just stopped running moons until it got fixed

thanks goblin man <3

[tulip kestrel]

hi goblin, sorry that this is related to previous weeks update, but i just want to confirm if using shark lure doesnt change the base heron pet roll from fishing sharks, essentially speeding it up like diabolic worms at anglers? @winter hearth

i know anglers were confirmed to have unaffected pet drop rate, but i wanted to make sure this is the case for sharks too before i start using it there

[winter hearth]

As far as I'm aware, Shark lure does increase the Heron pet rate from sharks

[visual raft]

@winter hearth Do you know if this is intended or a bug?

[ionic laurel]

whats the downtime looking like with this update?

[white narwhal]

Apologies I have yet to dig into this so I may be incorrect but the auto destroy clues part does that just delete the clues all together in that situation. Any chance that could be brought up to avoid clues being outright deleted just something like a magical force prevents you

[worthy hazel]

Is Cerberus dropping the teleport scrolls or is it bugged? @winter hearth update: I saw your response on reddit, thanks!

[tulip kestrel]

do you mean increase as in you get the pet faster due to faster catch rate or to preserve rarity of the pet, its less likely to get it with the lure?

[winter hearth]

Not possible. In essence this is saying if you have 5 boxes, drop 5 boxes, get another 5 boxes, drop them for a stack of 10 boxes - we don't have a command that lets you split that stack on the floor, so we have to just delete 5 of them

Effectively it's deleting clue boxes if you're trying to pick up more than you can physically have

[dire mango]

since nothing was mentoned it'll probably be a normal no downtime update

[white narwhal]

Fair I thought I’d bring it up before people ask why their clues are just deleted

Ty

[worthy hazel]

Just fyi: in other changes today it says water weakness added to TzHaar and in 'Coming Next Week' it says adding elemental weaknesses to TzHaar, I assume this is a mistake

[winter hearth]

It is indeed, about to fix that one

[dire mango]

bumping this for the sake of bowfa billy

[winter hearth]

No but it's been raised so hopeful for a fix soon

[vivid ruin]

Are we going to have to kill mimic for scroll box drop?

[tulip kestrel]

by increase, do you mean that the base drop rate of 1/79k is increased to 1/400k when using 5 lure at once to keep the same drop rate of heron as without using any lure?

[worthy hazel]

the other way around

If the base drop rate is 1/79k then using 5 shark lure would make it 1/15.8k or 5/79k

[wooden harbor]

Bump

[winter hearth]

Sorry yeah semantics, when I say 'increased drop rate' it's probably clearer to say 'it drops at an increased rate' (i.e. a smaller denominator)

[tiny epoch]

honestly not surprised that thrall jumping arcane is going

though i enjoyed it

[magic flint]

@hoary ginkgo no more looting sw crates booster

[tiny epoch]

lots of ppl complaining about it

[fossil epoch]

So glad the stackable clues are finally here

[tiny epoch]

theyre chasing the scarab around the room instead of hitting swarms ..

[wooden harbor]

It was a pretty fun thing for speeds

[tiny epoch]

yeah

[elder crystal]

i dont want sailing.

[tulip kestrel]

thank you, english is not my main language so i just wanted to confirm if i understand it correctly, have a great day @worthy hazel @winter hearth

[tiny epoch]

100%

[winter hearth]

Think it sat in a weird spot of being either annoying or trivialising

[elder crystal]

Seems useless.

[tiny epoch]

thats fair as well its very op for swarming

maybe too strong ..

[lethal sable]

@winter hearth how long downtime?

[elder crystal]

No one thinks Sailing is basically Rs3 Ports? No one Thinks this?

[fossil epoch]

No downtime

[winter hearth]

No downtime afaik

[fossil epoch]

Seems like you think it? Thats atleast 1

[winter hearth]

Any chance you could move this to a different channel? This one's for today's game update, I have very little to do with Sailing and would rather keep the chatter here focused if possible beast

[true ruin]

when will servers be up?

[elder crystal]

Bet 👍🏿

[worthy hazel]

Westham viewer spotted

[gleaming horizon]

Momentarily

[true ruin]

oh so its a quick one?

[fossil epoch]

No downtime

[true ruin]

sick

[winter hearth]

wait what? because of 'beast'? Kasper learned that from me I swear on my life

[vivid ruin]

Who has played rs3 since release?

[worthy hazel]

How the turn tables 🤔

[wispy marten]

Server's up

[heavy ledge]

just saw that the scroll cases are gonna be autoamtiaclly added to my collection and i do not want that at all

[strong fiber]

So today’s update is only regarding clues? That’s dope gz, will anything drop scrolls cases or whatever

[heavy ledge]

thats gonna fuck up sometjing ive been working for 6 months

[gleaming horizon]

I still think having hards and elites t2 stack unlock at 150 when rate to get them is so vastly different is a bit much lol

But it’s here now

[fossil epoch]

Clogging nr?

[heavy ledge]

please make us talk to someone to unlock it

[hoary ginkgo]

@magic flint Thanks for thinking about me. Wont ever stop the boost buddy 🙂

[true talon]

Are these auto used? i got them all but i didnt get physical items.

[elder crystal]

Wait are stacked clues going to be a thing? never saw if they're going to update that into game o:

[winter hearth]

Whatcha working on?

[winter hearth]

Yeah, these are retroactively unlocked ones

[true talon]

oh ok cool

lol you can tell i dont do elite or beginners XD

[heavy ledge]

please for the love of god dont fuck me on this

[chrome lantern]

Probably a no-clog account

Big respect if so

Clog is cringe

[oblique mesa]

@winter hearth the clickbox for huasca herb plots are smaller than all other herbs when planted. Its more of an annoyance when trying to use compost on them than a real problem 🥺

[still sundial]

no-clog account doing clues?

[heavy ledge]

nah

[true talon]

oh yea rip all the non clog accounts or 1 clog at a time lol

[wary steeple]

Really never liked the scroll box graphic. would you consider changing it to something where you see multiple as you get multiple, like the keys of the game? perhaps maybe a rolled up scroll sealed with the colour seal?

[winter hearth]

Will make a note

[winter hearth]

These accounts can't really do clues anyway in fairness

[true talon]

True

[fossil epoch]

Glad i hit 1100 clogs before getting the free ones, like being able to post milestones

[chrome lantern]

Oh yeah true

[true talon]

kinda slotty just got shot down lol

[heavy ledge]

@winter hearth i'm currently trying to get only pets on the "recently unlocked" clue part and this is gonna fuck me hard

[shadow wave]

Can confirm they get immediately added as soon as you log in

[heavy ledge]

literally only gotten pets since that dropped

[shadow wave]

And can confirm they do show up on recently obtained

[elder crystal]

@winter hearth Sorry for the tag but did they ever confirm if Stackable clues would be into the game <---Cause that would be cool af. ( Been outta town)

[heavy ledge]

this update

[true talon]

They have come out today

[elder crystal]

O:!

[true talon]

just login

[fossil epoch]

Its been announced for quite some time

[elder crystal]

oH SNAP! i been in washington working so didnt know!

[winter hearth]

Apologies beast, it's the cleanest solution for the overwhelming majority of players - sorry for the impact on your Latest Collections :/

[wooden harbor]

@winter hearth Can we get a toa drop loot mechanics blog again similar to the one after toa release with the next weeks update?

Just so we have a formula for the drop chance and the weights scaling formula
Thanks

[livid viper]

bryo still not dropping beginner clues from the boss or chest after the update

[heavy ledge]

a heads up would've been appreciated even

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see why these cases are in the log to begin with tbh. Or are even an item.

[heavy ledge]

or like feedback on how it should go?

[vivid ruin]

Do we still have to open them or are they just auto opened

[heavy ledge]

i didnt think theyd be clogs to begin with

[shadow wave]

Autoopened, you just get them

[strong fiber]

Weren’t we suppose to get different invocations?

[fossil epoch]

In surprised about that too, but nr go up though

[nimble nexus]

bro you arent the only player, relax. i dont think anyone has even used this type of game play BUT you lol.

[strong fiber]

What ever happen to that lol

[heavy ledge]

well this day fucking sucks

[fossil epoch]

How many pets were you away?

[strong fiber]

More pets for you don’t sweat it

[heavy ledge]

im at 6 on the log rn

on the recent part

[winter hearth]

Think it was just a shortsighted thing to have said, the raid warps around the existing ones and making changes can upset the balance a whole bunch, just another 'thing that sounds cool' that the team never found a way to really bring into reality in a clean fashion

[heavy ledge]

was grinding soul wars pet so that sucks too

[shadow wave]

Sounds like you need to get 12 more pets

[heavy ledge]

i had it planned out it was gonna take forever but it was gonna work

they were gonna be the only ones on the bar too :/

[true talon]

Man comeon, the horn was finally finding a place.

[strong fiber]

Could of always added the features yal took away as invocations but kept the cap at 600

[wary steeple]

@winter hearth sorry to repeat if you already read this before, feel free to ignore i wont do it again: Would the team consider changing the graphic to something where you see multiple as they stack up, kinda like the keys of the game? perhaps maybe a rolled up scroll sealed with the colour seal? (never been a fan of the box graphic)

[chrome lantern]

“ToA will get new invocations”
“Colo will be an endless roguelike”
Man I love when Jagex just spews things without actually planning them out and just makes disappointment instaead

[wooden harbor]

Yea like the difficult enrage phase at akkha 👀
But tbf its still "difficult" balancing cuz they want to keep cap at 600 raid level?

[winter hearth]

Yeah we chatted about this a little but ultimately decided against because 'here's some free raid level for doing the thing you're already used to doing' felt weird?

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see an issue with that after screwing over all the loot in high invoc raids