game-update

[simple egret]

For the ca’s with adjusted times, do GMs have to re do them @winter hearth ?

[gleaming horizon]

As far as I’ve heard from folks she’s not immune just technically flying- but yeah I was just hoping for clarification lol

[winter hearth]

No

[woven marlin]

Watch out 171 Dagannoths, in about 21:20 minutes im coming for you

[winter hearth]

Delta is another way of saying 'the difference between these two values'

[sacred oracle]

Various spellcasting animations have been tidied up to reduce 'visual rubberbanding'.
i don't think i know what visual rubberbanding is

[simple egret]

Best update in a long time

[winter hearth]

ever done Olm mage-hand with a Trident/Sang?

[woven marlin]

thank you mr goblin

[sacred oracle]

i have not

[winter hearth]

ah, just the occasional visual 'stall' when using some spells that create some weirdness

think the technical applications should be largely untouched afaik, for anybody using weird Sote maze skips etc.

[sacred oracle]

that sounds good

okay i've finished the blog, i'm ready to log in and do content

[woven marlin]

i dont see in the changelog of today a mention of Huey visual changes to the tail, did that come out today?

[sacred oracle]

hurry up update

[wispy marten]

@winter hearth how long will the servers be down for?

[ember token]

0-2 minutes

[gleaming horizon]

Off/on

[sacred oracle]

should be instant

[wispy marten]

👍

[woeful kettle]

"With the first batch of summer sweep up today" does this mean not everything mentioned in the blog 3 weeks ago is in today or does this mean more changes we don't know about are coming later

[woven marlin]

ahh i see

like the loot table changes arent out today

[dire mango]

The listed stats of the new keris is the "outside ToA"-stats right? With +50/22 being added inside the raid.

[ember token]

can only be used in toa i think

[winter hearth]

There's another smaller batch coming later

[woven marlin]

OOOOOO

[winter hearth]

Those stats are +50 Stab and +22 Str over the regular Partisan

[gleaming horizon]

Any idea on halberd hitting GGs Dawn or not?

[dire mango]

Ty. I just misunderstood then. Thought that was the stats of the new one and that it got even more in the raid.

[winter hearth]

They do

[gleaming horizon]

Bless you sir

[solemn pewter]

Nobody vets the news posts before its published?

[idle rain]

rough estimate on downtime? Haven't seen anything

[winter hearth]

They do, not sure what's gone on here - just a big post and if stuff goes missing through some phase of review or another it's easy to miss bits

[winter hearth]

None, unless otherwise specified - same as any other update

[small saddle]

Is the animation of trident gonna affect solo olm?

[idle rain]

shower next week, solid

[winter hearth]

Not as far as I'm aware, it's solely a visual thing

[silver steeple]

big update! thanks guys love to see it!

[ember token]

goblin are you aware if the weakness changes also apply to the nightmare zone versions? ex: has nmz agrith-naar also received a water weakness

[shadow wave]

Melee Camp GGs 👀

[final frigate]

@winter hearth do keep back melees count as akkha's basic attacks?

[winter hearth]

Should do

[winter hearth]

I think yes

[final frigate]

ty king

[fathom fulcrum]

Did you mean the loot in crates removed? Or the crate itself completely removed? How would that work for pet roll if crates are removed

[winter hearth]

Loot reduced

[ember token]

hmm wonder if any of the existing nmz boss consistency issues were fixed while you guys were at it, bunch of weird issues

like the jungle demon in nmz doesnt count as a demon

hard mode skeleton hellhound doesnt count as a demon, but the normal mode does, and neither count for hellhound slayer tasks

[still reef]

whats the downtime gonna be?

[wary mist]

none, servers will just reboot

[final frigate]

damn never seen roq in here

very cool

[hollow pivot]

Excited to see flat armour, is it likely we will see any encounters or even bosses built around this feature at some point? (would love to see new bosses with new metas. Our current 3 megas has enough use cases imo.)

[wary mist]

ive been about, maybe not so much in this channel

[tiny epoch]

rip baba 🥹

[grand nimbus]

anyone know how long downtime is going to be?

[shadow flare]

Will halberds be able to hit dawn?

[final frigate]

0 downtime just restart

[winter hearth]

idk about 'built around' but it's a useful lever to pull to nudge people towards faster- or slower-hitting weapons

[winged mantle]

oml

[woven marlin]

very excited for this update

[final frigate]

side note but thoughts on specifying usw/use for the pvp rota listings in patch notes?

[winged mantle]

the one time you don't list downtime everyone loses their minds XD

[woven marlin]

so is the huey visual changes to tail coming out in another part of the summer sweepup?

[celest quail]

How long downtime?

[woven marlin]

should be instant

[solemn kernel]

rarest drop in RS 😄

[hollow pivot]

Would it be possible to get "type-specific" flat armour? Like if you use "crush" you get extra damage added. (negative flat armour).

[winter hearth]

Probably in the future, but not right now

[vernal socket]

5 min downtime?

[rare grotto]

@dire mango gyord

[ember token]

actually 4 hours downtime, it got extended due to so many people asking for downtime

they saw that people really wanted downtime

[wary mist]

only for you

[vernal socket]

well explained.

[ember token]

the demand for downtime has never been higher

[final frigate]

I'M IN

w

[ember token]

scapers really just want a forced break so they can take their monthly shower

[grand nimbus]

pogpogpogpog

[covert sentinel]

Yooo

Let’s get a dragon and zulrah bot ban soon

[dawn cargo]

Also legitimately wondering how long down time is lmfao

[grand nimbus]

ya and ban all the dt2 bots as well!

[ember token]

servers already up

[sacred oracle]

i did not have time for a shower

this is a disaster

[idle rain]

there is always next week

[grand nimbus]

nah should be instant update next week

gonna be a month or so til next shower

[ember token]

the kill count number is in the wrong color

it should be white

[sacred oracle]

i have no idea what the drop rate is on steel ring from deranged arch, sooooo let's just kill it for a few hours and see what happens

[ember token]

bravo jagex...

[pseudo storm]

No downtime??? Ahhhhhh

[worldly timber]

I'm at a loss here. What was this update for? I really haven't been keeping track.

[ember token]

#game-news

you may read the blog

damn the deranged archaeologist has a 30 second respawn timer

[covert sentinel]

Why kill that boss?

[ember token]

new drop

new bis ring

[covert sentinel]

Yeah, no

[remote sphinx]

Not sure if it was answered but was kephri double dung on phase proc not able to be fixed?

[sacred oracle]

is deranged archaeologist in an instance?

[ember token]

no

[safe dove]

They made toa a lot less shit
They made duke less shit
Pnm less shit
Great update

[sand lichen]

how can you kill bryo without a key, if its still locked haha

[sacred oracle]

30s respawn??

[ember token]

you can hop worlds though

[sacred oracle]

looks like i'ma be fighting people for worlds

[remote sphinx]

Also curious on what smarter waves mean for zebak

[wary mist]

they make you take a quiz whilst dodging, "are you smarter than a 5th grader" style

[final frigate]

Cursed Baboons and Baboon Shamans now always take maximum damage from Ranged attacks. To compensate, their HP has been increased slightly.
@winter hearth could you help me understand what part of slightly means their hp has been tripled :D

cursed 10->30 shaman 16->50

[woven comet]

oof

[safe dove]

2 blowpipe hits oh no!

[ember token]

when you always max hit thats basically just slightly

[final frigate]

except that you could also 1 shot them before as well

now you definitely never 1 shot

[safe dove]

It could also take 4 shots

At least it's consistent now

[sand gazelle]

Woooow akkha now only protects against one style??

[final frigate]

please look at the accuracy with blowpipe in full torva

[chrome lantern]

Wait 50 on shaman actually sucks now you can’t even 1 hit

Cursed also awful

[woven comet]

so how do u enter bryo lair now?

[sand gazelle]

Oh man and they removed 2 waves of baboons from the worst room in the raid. Amazing

[sand gazelle]

You just walk in yeah? No more keys

[sand lichen]

still need 1 more key

[ember token]

a key is required for the first time

[sand lichen]

to unlock that

[chrome lantern]

They also made Masori 20% rarer than live even in 500s T.T

[woven comet]

ahhh fair

so kinda like the brittle key for ggs?

[ember token]

keep disconnecting when hopping worlds, strange

failed to login

[solid haven]

You can just go in forever with 1 key?

[winter hearth]

made a note

[winter hearth]

Need a key for the first time, similar to Brittle key, but making a note that players who already have KC should just be chill to go in

Silly oversight on our end

[woven comet]

ahh i can just grind the key till it's fixed no biggie

[ember token]

can you make a note to reduce the respawn time of the deranged arch?

[sacred oracle]

for the first time in my entire life, there is another player at deranged archaeologist and i have had to hop

[ember token]

30 second respawn longer than it takes to kill the boss in the first place

i was world hopping between worlds to minimize the respawn time but the worlds just kept getting taken while i was gone lol

[sacred oracle]

yup, same

might have to try this clog later

i didn't think that many people would be interested in ring, even right after update

[keen wraith]

how do i enter bryos lair the door says its locked i thought we dont nee dkeys anymore

[sacred oracle]

need a key to go in for the first time, i believe

[keen wraith]

f

[chrome lantern]

How much HP do the baboons in Ba-Ba room itself have now

[ember token]

they're fixing it for if you've already gotten kc before, you shouldnt need a new key

next week probably

[keen wraith]

so rn its like how ggs are were you need the key 1 time to unlock it

ß

?

[sand gazelle]

I am very impressed they rolled ALL of this out in the same update. It is not a small amount of improvements.

[ember token]

yeah its just not suppose to be like that for those who've already killed the boss before, if they have then they shouldn't need to get a key again

[bright stirrup]

@winter hearth i dont really know where to post this but you can no longer target kree/any aviansies with ancient magics? cannot freeze or blood barrage

[gaunt glen]

is bryto door bugged?

[winter hearth]

Made a note

[chrome lantern]

Oof

[winter hearth]

Fix being worked on if you already had kc, you still need a key to access them for the first time if you've not got killcount but small oversight on a login/entry check for prior kc

[inland lintel]

@winter hearth sending here too cos assuming your dms are cooked - re: what I mentioned on twitter about duke, the left click mushroom does work assuming that alongside the 42 crushed mushrooms you have an uncrushed one in your inventory as well

[winter hearth]

Interesting, will leave as-is for now but make a note, in case people want to keep doing it 'the old way'

[inland lintel]

but yeah at least the left click does work albeit goofily

[chrome lantern]

I did 1k duke kc with 40-paste method, kinda weird to nerf that so heavily

[chrome pier]

Did high alch move in the spell book or am i going mad

[winter hearth]

If you're still manually using the dust I think it's unchanged, no?

[bright stirrup]

new monster examine probably?

[winter hearth]

For Monster Inspect yeah, if you're on an approved third-party client then you can reorder

[chrome lantern]

I meant that you can only get 8 shrooms but you can get 4 sets of pots

I guess not nerf

But relative

[chrome pier]

All good ill get used to it, was just wondering if I was imagining things 🙂

[chrome lantern]

Side note but I do find it weird that DHW is now better for ancients than ancient scepters

[cedar pollen]

@winter hearth any chance you can lower spindels mage def to make the weakness work?

[hollow willow]

I think the new Steel ring is broke it only gives +2 crush defense bonus.

[winter hearth]

No plans as far as I'm aware, weaknesses existing on stuff to be thematic or consistent rather than specifically intended to be good/viable is for sure a thing in spots

[winter hearth]

Will pass along

[last shore]

Was TOA monkey room hp change intended or something wrong with calculations? Shamans going from 16 to 50 hp and cursed baboons from 10 to 30 doesn't seem like a "slight increase in hp to compensate" 530 raid invo solo

[cedar pollen]

9 min kill on task with sceptre too

[ember token]

well it's along with always max hitting with ranged

[slate falcon]

What is the new?

[ember token]

#game-news

[winged mantle]

if you spam feed duke you use all your pots XD

[tawny tide]

Why did I think clue scrolls were stacking starting this week

[shadow wave]

I'm hearing that ToA skulls are broken and can't be 1 ticked?

[haughty halo]

@winter hearth I presume the team are aware that you can't use magic at Kreearra and avanise (bad spelling sorry).

[winter hearth]

Yeah we're working on a fix

[sick glade]

toa skulls respawns after hit, carefull hcims

[winter hearth]

Next week

[winter hearth]

As in the potions for duke specifically or your literal potions? Please say the former

[winter hearth]

Team's looking into this

[tawny tide]

Man I just want to say take your time.

Folks really be bitching.

These updates are awesome.

[winged mantle]

your prepped pots for the duke prep

[sacred cove]

Goblin In here doing the most. Thank you for your effort!

[winged mantle]

like it will use all 8

[winter hearth]

Don't think anybody's just whinging, a lot of moving parts and some stuff needs fixing

[winter hearth]

Will make a note

[halcyon harness]

@winter hearth @fading token @wary mist my alt 'Sister Krone' got falsely banned trading to my main, is there anything that can be done?

[tawny tide]

I think you’ve just been war hardened 😂

It’s def not that bad. Especially relatively speaking.

[distant burrow]

@winter hearth Aviansies appear to be broken if trying to barrage them. This includes Kree's minions. You get a message saying "It's flying too high to hit using melee."

[sand gazelle]

Is there more summer sweep up on the way, or is this everything? Just ask because it was subtitled as “combat changes” so was wondering if that means there’d be more non-combat related sweep ups later in the summer.

[tawny tide]

There’s a whole part 2 coming!

[ember token]

there's more later in july yes

slayer changes

[hazy zodiac]

Right lol, I’d so much rather them revert their hp and not always max hit them

[haughty halo]

Their aware.

[shadow dew]

did toa get changed today?

[magic flint]

opened 4 sw crates and still got 300k crates are still broken loot for boosting players and bots

[ember token]

#game-news

[sand gazelle]

Heeeeeeck yeah

[kindred pier]

@winter hearth as you weren't able to fix BD on kephri, could you do a workaround where kephri just has -13 def if you go into the raid with one in your inventory?

[sand gazelle]

Yes indeed lots

[vivid ruin]

@winter hearth i was curious if you guys considered adding what was removed from toa to the invocation system? ,

[magic flint]

sw is still a bot fest for loot crates

[shadow dew]

looking at blogpost now! think itll be time to gear

[ivory pelican]

p3 wardens: when attacking the skulls with a melee weapon, you can't immediately hit the next one

your weapon goes on the standard attack cooldown instead, making it impossible to kill the skulls in time

[ember token]

known issue

[ivory pelican]

ah ty ❤️

[pearl forge]

shouldnt giant mole be earth weakness now?

[gentle vale]

For Duke: spam clicking on duke uses more than than required 2 potions to wake him up

[ember token]

should be

[pearl forge]

couse seems to still be water

new inspect spell said too

[shadow dew]

does that make toa un completeable without skull skipping?

[ivory pelican]

yes

[magic flint]

cw you can afk free loot sw is no difference crates are not nerfed

[distant burrow]

im also hearing that skulls are broken in ToA

[magic flint]

cw and sw needs better updates

[velvet harbor]

I opened a Sw crate and got 1 blighted restore and 2 gold coins 😭😭

[ember token]

@winter hearth giant mole apparently still has water weakness instead of earth weakness

[slender vapor]

Any official response to this yet? @winter hearth

[hazy zodiac]

Another day, another player QA tested update

[slender vapor]

Seems wild to just triple the hp bar

[ember token]

its intended because you max hit them with ranged now

[hoary ginkgo]

Just don't touch soul wars, easy fix.

[kindred pier]

probably intended

you 2 shot the shamans consistently, not too far fetched

[ember token]

its just poor wording in the blog

[magic flint]

sw booster

[hoary ginkgo]

Nerd

[rancid pawn]

toa skulls have delay pls fix

[ember token]

known issue

[magic flint]

@hoary ginkgo u sw boost bots mate

[warped valley]

Why can't I one shot araxxors minions anymore even with a 4way switch?

[hoary ginkgo]

Not your mate

[ember token]

with what style?

[velvet harbor]

I just opened another spoil of war and got 5pure essence and 3 flax . This is HUGE

[ember token]

if you're using oathplate and trying to one-shot them with ranged, the issue may be that your ranged accuracy isnt your highest stat

[warped valley]

any style

[winter hearth]

Yeah it's intended but keeping an eye on it. Felt that it'd be better to very consistently guaranteed 2-shot shamans and 2-shot (or 1-shot with a better Ranged wep) cursed than to occasionally 1-shot or occasionally go 3+

[onyx forum]

not about boosting really lol itll kill sw by nerfing loot cw needs a similar entrance to sw and randomly divide the teams for no stacking

[wooden harbor]

@winter hearth can we get details on how exactly the new drop rate at toa works?
More specifically how the shadow rates become better at higher raid levels?

[winter hearth]

Fix for this should be close

[hoary ginkgo]

Yeah the easy fix is to kill off another classic lol.

[shadow dew]

how abbout toa skulls sir?

[wooden harbor]

Ftr u can still 1 shot in near max range or be potted

[onyx forum]

no thats my point.. dont nerf the loot lol

[winter hearth]

Not right now, Wiki might have that info or I can include in a later blog. The table in the updated blog (https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/summer-sweep-up-blog-update-combat--loot?oldschool=1) should have you covered to get started

[hoary ginkgo]

I was agreeing 😛

[onyx forum]

ohh ok

[winter hearth]

Also being worked on

[shadow dew]

tyvm much appreciate the response from the team ❤️

[left willow]

@winter hearth I just did my first Bryophyta kc and didnt get the 1kc CA after opening the chest. Not sure if the team are aware.

[wooden harbor]

Yea i saw the table but would be nice to know how the formula works exactly compared to the first toa drop mechanics blog

[winter hearth]

So you killed boss, used a key to open the chest, and didn't get a kc increase?

[left willow]

Yes sir.

[winter hearth]

Will make a note, that's odd

[latent cape]

hueycoatls tail still has 400hp, not the updated 300

[left willow]

It was an old key, not obtained post update.

[soft trail]

not sure if it's exclusive to the trident of the swamp, but the animation has changed for it's run/drag effect when on accurate at olm

[ember token]

intended

[winter hearth]

Intended visual change yeah, mechanically should be the exact same

[soft trail]

yeah, just threw me off lol. ty!

[keen plaza]

I see conflicting messages about sw loot being nerfed, was anything changed?

[still sundial]

what loot are the SW crates intended to give now? blighted supplies like CW? or same as before just nerfed?

[chrome lantern]

Is it planned to get rid of all the stalls that exist? I love seeing them and it’s a huge part of the visual charm of the game for me, sad to see this update

[elder pecan]

Can't get in Bryophota's Lair 😭

[earnest flare]

@winter hearth skulls dont take damage in toa, even tried skull skipping. just wipes you out =[

[chrome lantern]

Known issue

[left willow]

Sorry, to clarify, I did get a KC increase, but not the combat achievement for 1kc.

[halcyon harness]

I got banned for trading across items between accounts, I managed to recover one account but the other is unappealable, what can I do, the banned account is Sister Krone @winter hearth

[chrome lantern]

Attack delay not behaving properly on skulls

[tender harness]

Talk to support. Goblin isnt support

[woven comet]

i wonder how often keys drop from bryo now, i noticed she drops regular moss giants drop now

[dreamy fractal]

Your topic got removed from reddit too, spam pinging goblin in here is not it.

[heavy ledge]

they announced that they will be adding another appeal option this year i believe

[median void]

What are the new drop rates from bryo/obor? it just says in the post “it’s similar to regular giants”

[deft barn]

I mean if one account got recovered with no wrongdoing surely the other should too, hopefully someone here can take a look at your account

[vestal wraith]

Wtf toa is broken

[chrome lantern]

Known issue

[vestal wraith]

Yes but i wanted to complain

[chrome lantern]

If you mean skulls

[vestal wraith]

Yea

[tender harness]

Also, who asked for dragon hunter wand to have ancients? Doesn't this make ancient sceptre dead? Both are 4t only thing sceptre has is the passive which is kinda whatever?

[vale bear]

can still skull skip

[vestal wraith]

And are the crocs supposed to aggro u instead of the tree didnt remember readign that

[lofty valley]

Anyone able to enter bryo/obor without keys

[halcyon harness]

what support lmfao

[ember token]

need 1 key first

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I pointed it out earlier that it’s weird that scepter is now worse for ancients than DHW

[ivory fog]

Do Obor and Bryo themself still drop the club and essence at 1/118 or do i need the keys to get the drops?

[ember token]

you need the key

[winter hearth]

Need the key

[ember token]

the chests have what their loot used to be

[gloomy owl]

Apparently you aren't able to 1tick skulls at TOA

[dusty whale]

no you cant its a long delay between them.

[gloomy owl]

Yeah its a full attack cycle between each skull, would advise anyone going on a hcim to avoid atm lol

Unless youre ready to skull skip

[dreamy fractal]

I'd probably still use blood sceptre places like godwars, because the overheal helped me get consistent kills without having to break the cycle to eat a lot more back when that was a relevant grind for me (minions hurt okay?)

But it's certainly minor

[dusty whale]

its really good changes to the game, im really impressed with them, i do however think that it needs to be fixed in certain places tbh.

[fierce phoenix]

Anyone else gotten the 1tick skulls thing? 3/4 of us wiped lol

[dreamy fractal]

Been mentioned here like 17 times

[true talon]

Just skull skip lol

[gloomy owl]

Yeah its bugged atm, need to wait for a full attack cycle before you can attack again

[tawny tide]

Skulls are def not 1 tick

[keen shoal]

Easiest thing would just be to buff the ancient sceptre 5% to match; it's got higher requirements to obtain and to use and comes from a higher level boss

[gloomy owl]

Ye but people dont know about the issue and end up dying

[last onyx]

i cant enter bryophyta

[nocturne solstice]

do you have a key with you

[ember token]

need 1 key to unlock

[hoary ginkgo]

@gloomy owl

[trim lintel]

toa 1 ticking skulls cmonnnnnn

broken

[last onyx]

but the blog says no longer require key hmmm

[toxic smelt]

Toa got to be fixed please

[ember token]

requires a key for the first time

not required past that

[keen shoal]

yeah it's a bug and should be fixed. everyone who got there and suffered from the bug though; how was the rest of the raid?

[toxic smelt]

1tick skulls got to be fixed

[keen shoal]

as good as we hoped?

[solemn pewter]

toa botters in shambles

[trim lintel]

great

skulls sucked

bowfa bf akka v nice

shadow red x baba v nice

baba wave room v nice

[keen shoal]

[nocturne solstice]

they do plan to patch it afterwards so if you already have kc you dont need a key

[left totem]

steel ring out yet ?

[dusty whale]

defo, its great, just the bug atm but overall its good.

[left totem]

cant find anything on wiki

[trim lintel]

but didnt know about the broken skulls until i was at 20% unique chance and it threw me so far off

[toxic smelt]

Why the shamans at toa puzzle have higher hp now

[left totem]

max hit range guaranteed

[keen shoal]

fair enough, classic hour 1 patch experience

[toxic smelt]

There is alot of bugs

[keen shoal]

Cursed Baboons and Baboon Shamans now always take maximum damage from Ranged attacks. To compensate, their HP has been increased slightly.

Not a bug

[toxic smelt]

Yh but thier hp is 50 now

[nocturne solstice]

Report them in game by right clicking the red button and clicking report game bug

[keen shoal]

Is it supposed to be a different hp post patch?

[pearl forge]

I'm unable to kill bryophytas spawns with rune axe

[toxic smelt]

Plus the baboons doesnt die from first hit

[keen shoal]

As in not 50

[trim lintel]

hp has been buffed

per the blog

[toxic smelt]

I dont understand this update

[keen shoal]

Right but does he mean it's not supposed to be as high as 50?

[ember token]

hp is intended

[toxic smelt]

It was 15

[keen shoal]

Afaik there was no exact number given in the blog

[ember token]

theyre now consistently 2 hit instead of inconsistently 1 hit or 3+ hit if unlucky

[toxic smelt]

Yh thats nb

[keen shoal]

Ok wasn't sure if he meant he knew it was supposed to be 40 instead or something

[pearl forge]

I have to wield an axe to kill bryophytas growthlings. using the axe from the inventory like before doesnt work

[shadow dew]

gnomokey says skulls have been hotfixed at toa. not sure of the validity of that

[ember token]

intended

[nocturne solstice]

[shadow dew]

ty ping!

[left totem]

how about the steel ring ping ?

at deranged

[nocturne solstice]

Actually they fixed more stuff too i should just show the whole thing

[tame panther]

Where can the updates or warnkng for when an update will occur

[nocturne solstice]

They happen the same time every week

Warnings happen 45m before the update

[tame panther]

Oh. Okay. Where do I get the 45m warning before the update

Outside of the game

[nocturne solstice]

In game or #game-news

[winter hearth]

Before the update, but it's the same time every week unless we specify otherwise

if it's 11:30am in the UK on a Wednesday, it's update time

[pearl forge]

can the chest be empty? couse i didnt get loot after using a key

[light token]

For the Duke herblore level mentioned in the newspost, currently at 80+ herblore you get 6 paste from each mushroom, is that changed to 82+ now?

[ember token]

45m timer starts same time the update blog goes up roughly

[tame panther]

Ahh okay makes sense. Thanks guys. Thanks for the info

[nocturne solstice]

They also post tweets on twitter

[keen shoal]

Did they manage to fix bone dagger @ kephri?

[ember token]

they could not fix it

[true talon]

Im glad you tackling chip damage on problematic bosses. it would be nice to take a pass at vard who hits 25% though prayer, hes very high mechanically and doesnt really need to be hitting me 10 every 5 ticks when im wearing full oathplate and have 350+ slash defense.

Bringing the chip to 10% instead of 25% instead of hitting 10 his max will be 4-5 and this is enough to keep you from infinitely staying. but not enough to leave you 20 hp from full after a perfect kill.

[dire mango]

You're not taking constant 10s from vard through prayer lol

[true talon]

yes i do if not 10 atleast 5+ his accuracy is insane.

[winged mantle]

you do towards the end of the fight

[true talon]

I can start a fight at full hp, use 2 ancient god sword specs to heal my divine + sra stacks and end fight on sub 20 hp without a single mistake.

[dire mango]

his max hit is between 8 and 10, with 10 only being at the end of the fight

[true talon]

Its a bit excessive

[vivid ruin]

Is there a big difference between 8 and 10 though

[timber drift]

what was the rationale of making the path of apmeken much more annoying

[latent cape]

heuycoytls tail still has 400hp instead of the intended 300hp

[true talon]

i mean if defense did anything at all it be ok, but it dont. guy is hitting me freaking like hes kalphite queen lol.

[winged mantle]

5-7 through prayer would be fine

[dire mango]

it is a big difference when he's claiming "i'm taking 10s every 5t" when in reality you're taking less than half that

[ember token]

i agree removing 2 waves and making the cursed/toxic baboons consistent to kill is so annoying

curse you jagex!

rargh!

[timber drift]

wdym cursed and shamans are much worse

[true talon]

point is you take 70+ damage per kill even if your fighting for only 1 minute.

without making a mistake is the key point

[timber drift]

first two waves is nice but doesnt matter

[vivid ruin]

Did u use range

[ember token]

consistent 2 shot instead of sometimes 1 shot sometimes 2 shot sometimes 3+ shot

[timber drift]

consistent 2 shot while needing some decent gear for bp vs oneshotting 80% of the time and 2shotting the rest

if u dont have 25max enjoy 3shotting

[vivid ruin]

I dont think you need to gear swap for monkies? Just weapon?

[jade hare]

tzhaar dont seem to have the water weakness visible via either the new monster inspect or monster examine spells

[ember token]

if you dont have 25 max im sure your teammates can help contribute some damage

[timber drift]

??

no one teams toa bro look at the blog

please think before you speak

[ember token]

simply run with your friends or your clan.......

[timber drift]

alright ty for your dogshit opinion on a room you probably cant even run

[light token]

im pretty sure the blog numbers are >50% team toa

[ember token]

pretty sure yeah

[light token]

you have to multiple completions by number of players

which ends up with the majority doing duo+

[timber drift]

ok let me rephrase monkey room is dogshit in solo

so 50% of players

for uhm no reason

[dire mango]

unless you're very unlucky you can hit vard with 100% uptime during the kill in the gear you're saying without having to eat. It's far from as bad as high invo baba was or nex.

[true talon]

you dont need to eat, but ending the kill on 20 hp from full when your made 0 mistakes is shit.

[ember token]

you can bring a regen bracelet to restore your health more quickly!

bring your hitpoints cape too

[jade hare]

ok yea i dont think any of the tzhaar have the 40% water wakness shown in their monster inspect or their monster examine "other" panels. i hope they do actually have the new weakness applied to them as i dont have a way to verify.

[dire mango]

Vard trips are like 20-25min with dc+lb+ags and 0mistakes, so the chip is not really an issue if it's banking your're worrying about.

[timber drift]

data are you just a discord goblin

speaking of goblins

please fix the monkey room its so bad now

[winter hearth]

Have made a note of this, they're fine in the Fight Caves/Inferno I think

[jade hare]

thanks!

[timber drift]

legit just revert it or something

[gaunt glen]

hoofi is upset lol

[vestal timber]

Toa skull fixed yet?

[timber drift]

50hp on shamans and 30 on cursed is way too fucked

[timber drift]

im complaining about a terrible change on a game i pay for

[true talon]

again this is not an issue with sustain or staying, its a design problem with the boss beating your ass without you messing up. also listen to that list of items. do you really think the average player is gonna have all that??? think about the ironmen with subpar gear an a tent whip or something.

[dire mango]

count the number of max hits you need to kill that. not the flat hp

[winter hearth]

Team's open to bringing these down a bit, but felt that over time very consistently 2-shotting them would feel better than sometimes 1- or sometimes 3+-shotting them

[true talon]

if im in absolute max an losing 80 hp a kill then imagine the noobs in nox hally lol

[timber drift]

it was 60% of the time a oneshot

something like that

[ember token]

ive been killing the deranged archaeologist and its affecting me

[timber drift]

thats really not that bad compared to now

bp 2shot and big weapon oneshot would be ideal imo

40 hp shamans 20hp vola?

[winter hearth]

think bringing the shaman down to 40 for bowfa 1-shot might be fine

[true talon]

I cant wait for all the HCIM death to de-ranged arch to get this new steel ring. because the boss can 1 tap you XD

[timber drift]

sorry cursed*

[timber drift]

that sounds a lot better already

cursed 30 hp requiring ddarts and multiple switches is also a stark diff from before

with bp^

[jade hare]

can confirm jaltok-jad at least shows a 40% water weakness when monster inspected. still got two-shotted of course :3

[timber drift]

solo players with bad gear get ultra fucked now aswell with 3shotting shamans

not turbo relevant for me but worht mentioning nonetheless

[vestal timber]

How about we fix toa skull before nerfing 10hp on a npx

[dire mango]

🎣

[winter hearth]

the skulls are already fixed

[vestal timber]

Thank you

[hazy zodiac]

are we sure the gold ring thing from dt2 bosses is working, 983 kc didn't get any rings on vard kc

[restive siren]

Lol

[iron cave]

Its been fixed already 🤦

[ember token]

it's over for you scott

[timber drift]

anyway i just gotta say the room really feels much worse now, rather have the old room with less waves personally

[gritty briar]

Okay dude

[timber drift]

(im not alone 2shotting sucks)

[arctic orchid]

Really surprised gargoyles were given a -2 flat armor. That one didn't make much sense to me. Already botted into oblivion. Bots just need to buy dual macs and fly through them even faster now.

Duke prep changes though are 👌

[crude python]

needing switches + ddarts to 1 shot venom monkeys feels really bad, i would lower the hp imo

[gritty briar]

2 shotting is way better than inconsistent 1-3+ shots

[ember token]

i think they should raise their health further actually

[astral rune]

monkey room should be 100 waves actually

imagine the purple chance

[arctic orchid]

Personally not a fan of the ToA changes either. The drop rate on fang and ring being nerfed was needed but the mechanical raid changes never have been a fan of since proposal.

[hollow pivot]

Just afk camp bugs on the kephri puzzle room for like 2 hours, for better purple chance.

[arctic orchid]

Golden idea

[true talon]

Just run jugs of water for 2 hours in zebak room

that was already a method lol

[timber drift]

is this the discussion channel or the shitter troll channel

asking for a friend

[onyx forum]

yep bryophyta isnt counting kc atm lol

[winter hearth]

bit of both, it's fine to yap about the game and shitpost at the same time

[crude python]

in order to not use ddarts for a 30bp you would need amethyst + full masori + vambraces + vennator ring lol

[kindred pier]

you should already be using ddarts, but yes I agree cursed should have 1 hp less at least

it's much worse than what it was, you could reasonably often hit 10 with bp, being almost guaranteed to 1shot it

now you're essentially always 1hp from it unless bringing 5way

[timber drift]

dragon darts are unfortunately not infinite

[kindred pier]

oh, iron?

[ember token]

if you bring dragon arrows with your bowfa you can one shot them

[stuck mauve]

just de-iron

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-meme-grin-gif-12994505

[stuck mauve]

[sacred oracle]

well, i'm either pretty lucky, or drop rate for steel ring isn't very high: already have it in about 70 kc this morning

[crude python]

I would lower the venom monkeys to uuh maybe 22hp? 1 shotting then with bp + rigour + anguish seems reasonable

[timber drift]

thank you for your reasonable takes on a serious game discussion shitter trolls

[ember token]

i am over 100 kc without the steel ring

[indigo tinsel]

Wait did the update drop?

[last onyx]

kinda

[indigo tinsel]

[gaunt glen]

Adding to this, I also had this happen. Needed a key to get in as it was my first kc. Killed boss, used key, didnt get the 1 kc ca. Clog shows 1 kc.

[timber drift]

anyway i said what i want to say and got a reply hopefully the team can consider something because this aint it

[dire mango]

Is it possible to fix the first column and row on the "Weakness Changes 2025" google doc so you don't have to scroll back and forth just to remember what stat/mob you're looking at?

[timber drift]

leaving this shithole again now bye

[quasi minnow]

I wish monster inspect was available at a lower magic level...that still doesn't feel low enough for someone who wants to have a wiki-less experience

[true talon]

Wait if you alwasy max hit with range, then why not venator bow the shamans/venom guys

ven bow will max hit an kill 3 enemies

[gritty briar]

But youre not 1 shotting mages with a sub 25 max hit

[stuck mauve]

thats wishful thinking

[crude python]

i was with amethyst + anguish + riguour and a piece of masori

[timber drift]

should be 25 max from experience btw

[crude python]

all im saying is right now i dont think u should either burn through ddarts or bring a full max range switch for 1 shotting the venom monkeys imo

[vestal timber]

When we making tob easier now?

[crude python]

Also note that with ddarts you would still need at least chest masori or legs + helm

[quasi minnow]

A girlie can dream...I'm still two levels away from being able to cast it!

[gritty briar]

Thats fixable with just taking venom monkies to 25hp

To match magers

[ember token]

[[jewel of amascut]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Jewel_of_amascut

[ember token]

A jewel that amascut once used and has now discarded.

cant believe they forgot to capitalize amascut

[timber drift]

putting them at 25hp still fucks over players who are just starting toa

which is my main gripe with this update

[gaunt glen]

I just got the 1 kc ca on kill #2, no key this time.

[timber drift]

doesnt really affect me again but before with bp you could easily 1shot shamans and cursed a lot of the time

[vestal timber]

They can run entry

[gritty briar]

U can hit 25s in crystal / amaythist bp praying eagle eye

[crude python]

I think 25 is a reasonable hp

for sure not 30

[timber drift]

just not a fan of the hard breakpoints

when it was better before

[stuck mauve]

nice, getting there

[gritty briar]

That room has already 3 break points tho

[timber drift]

prepotted ya prob

yeah but those were pretty easy to reach

[slender vapor]

Thank the lord

[timber drift]

and its STILL worse atm

[slender vapor]

Lord goblin

[timber drift]

since its always 2 shots

as opposed to OFTEN 1shot sometimes 2shot rarely 3shot

anyway i digress tldr room changes stupid should be possible to oneshot both shaman 35 or 40 hp or something cursed 20

[gritty briar]

I don't get why you want cursed below magers tho?

[crude python]

I would make shamans and venom 1 shot with a bp, i think that would feel really good

25 feels like a good treshold

[timber drift]

theres really no gameplay diff between 20 and 25 and 27 besides requiring more gear and they are more impactful than getting ragged on by mages

[vestal timber]

Just remove all the puzzle rooms

[timber drift]

20 is just not to fuck up everyone that doesnt have very specific gear

[slender vapor]

Do we know how much chip damage akka does now through melee prot?

[gritty briar]

Id assume most new toa gamers just camp bowfa for range anyways

And that already 1hits cursed

[timber drift]

thats fine you'd still get rewarded for using bp

i dont see the problem

[vestal timber]

Tob and cox require specific gear why not toa?

[timber drift]

?

im talking about very specific breakpoints you need to reach

which tbh is an inherent flaw of guaranteed maxes but still

[final frigate]

please consider lowering cursed monkeys to 25 or so as well currently the required setup is very weird to say the least

5 way bp gets shafted by tick down, 4 way you need to divine, and put bp on accurate for baba boulders

[winter hearth]

Yeah have made a note

[final frigate]

thank you king

[timber drift]

should still be lower than 25 imo but w/e

for what i said above

[gritty briar]

brother

You need 25max already

[final frigate]

yeah 25 is mage hp anyway

[timber drift]

mages are less impactful

[gritty briar]

If you cant get to 25 max range hit youre not ready for toa

[gray lake]

Did Amoxliatl get the huasca seed drop added?

[ember token]

all the drop table changes should be added

[onyx forum]

lmao so bryophyta kc is only counting if u open the chest rather than for the kill lmfao thats kinda weird

[ember token]

kinda jank but preserves the integrity of obor/bryo hiscores

i have 267 obor kc and i'm rank 947

[true talon]

Byro change and obor change is good for early game. allows you to do moss giant and hill giant slayer tasks

at bosses

[plucky umbra]

can we get a quick-enter and quick-leave option for obor and bryo instances?

right now you just spend 66% of the time running back and forth, and only 33% of the time hitting boss

[indigo tinsel]

So can I get CA's without getting KC?

[rain basin]

Warden skulls bugged, cant 1 tick em

[vestal timber]

Should be fixed they said

[gentle vale]

are obor and bryo supposed to respawn or was it intended that you have to leave and reenter the instance

[true talon]

Any chance echo boots can have its 1 max hit increased? to be proper recoil damage.

[covert sentinel]

Acurssed sceptre doesn’t work at arma now?

[winter hearth]

Intended but I've got a note for a quick respawn or re-enter mechanic

[winter hearth]

Should have been fixed - what's the specific issue? It just doesn't spec or?

[ember token]

accursed sceptre is just coded weirdly and always has issues

[winter hearth]

You're telling me

[boreal plaza]

the steel ring is only giving a plus 2 in crush defence btw !!

[winter hearth]

Is noted at the top of the blog

[winter hearth]

'yeah let's make a powered staff that also autocasts and has a spec' was so optimistic

[urban surge]

Anyone got gold ring drop from Vard yet?

[ember token]

if you didnt get one first kc after update, you have 0 rolls on vestige

you are 0/3

[urban surge]

That wasn't what I was asking but thanks

[torpid delta]

ye, i got one on log in

[ember token]

you can infer from my response that the answer is yes, people have gotten the gold ring drop from vard

[torpid delta]

well technically 2nd kill on log in because the 1st was an orb that ate the roll

[obsidian venture]

Haven’t logged in and I haven’t gotten a ring from vard… wtf

[wide badger]

So humor me, what broke today? I know of ToA skulls, what else? 😄

[obsidian venture]

Stay tuned to find out

[ember token]

magic was* unusable at kree arra

[wide badger]

Or right, halberds work at kree now. Is nox halberd + oath/bandos better than bowfa?

[true talon]

Maybe, because the boss rolls off range defense. so having high range defense means you will take a lot less damage

[obsidian venture]

Dps calc it

[winter hearth]

This is fixed, no?

[ember token]

yeah

[winter hearth]

Oh right I see now

ignore me

[ember token]

yep all good

[wide badger]

Oh I was just asking about what bugs happened today, not what's currently bugged. As a developer, bugs interest me more than the updates 😄

[ember token]

shout-out to jagex for remembering to update NMZ mobs

[stuck mauve]

looks like you need to do some debugging then

[ember token]

wait lets see

did they add water weakness to the nmz black demon

place your bets

[winter hearth]

it's bad that even I'm scared to place a bet

but it's a LOT of NPCs tbf so I imagine some slipped through the cracks (like the regular TzHaar)

[ember token]

they did NOT add water weakness to the nmz black demon

[winter hearth]

knew I shoulda placed my bet

[ember token]

goblin if I put together a list of NMZ boss inconsistencies, would you pass it along

[stuck mauve]

you're weak to water

[winter hearth]

Absolutely, though I've just made a note for a full pass of any NMZ NPC

[wide badger]

The Kendal looks extra flammable 👀

[manic wing]

"You can prep multiple kills based on your Herblore level: 3 (62), 4 (72), or 4+ (82)"
Does this mean you can prep infinite kills at 82+ Herb at Duke?

Any knowers?

[covert sentinel]

Yeah it doesn’t spec

[true talon]

can you do a pass to delete NMZ lol. honestly that place has no purpose anymore. there are so many ways to interactively train your combats and even afk methods like sand crabs.

NMZ is bad for the game

[timber drift]

add monkey room before nmz

[vivid ruin]

Add monkey room to colosseum

[true talon]

Most my new player friends trained doing slayer or actually playing the game, one went from 91 atk/str at just yama alone and trained his magic to 99 at zulrah

Also stuff like scurrius and sand crabs fills in the spots for early/mid game

literally no reason for NMZ to exist

[vivid ruin]

Ew training during slayer <

[mild matrix]

Our GIM team have been grinding Bryo since the update and think we've identified some potential issues:

• The mossy key rate from Byro seems is working out at closer to 1/100 rather than 1/16 - would it be at all it possible to clarify the mossy key drop rate from Byro?,
• Cooldown doesn't seem to be working for growth spawns are they are spawning back to back (have had 4 sets in a row so far),
• Boss cooldown time on kill only seems to work when you click on the mossy chest, even if you don't have a key. Not sure if this is intentional - leaving and re-entering fixes the problem,
  Thanks for the mega update team Jagex! 🩷

[austere mulch]

Update wasn’t long enough ago to get a reasonably accurate key rate. But that is a pretty large disparity

[hazy zodiac]

meh, toa still the worst raid and it's not close

[inland oyster]

Is there anywhere a complete list of loot changes? I'm noticing nagua loot has changed, but I don't see naguas in the blog.

[silent hatch]

I've also had issues with growths spawning back to back, but also it seems like you can't use axe on the growths anymore, did you also have this problem?

[mild matrix]

Yeah you can't use axe or secateurs directly on any of the growth saplings, have been putting on my axe then I can left click them all - wasn't sure if that was intentional or not though

[ember token]

• Black demon is missing a water weakness
• Bouncer is not demonic and does not count for hellhound tasks
• Elvarg is not draconic (Note: this also applies to quest version Elvarg)
• Giant Scarab is missing a fire weakness
• Jungle Demon is not considered demonic
• Nazastarool is not considered undead in any of his forms (May also apply to the quest version), and does not count for zombie, skeleton, or ghost tasks
• Nezikchened drops regular ashes instead of malicious ashes (Also applies to the quest version)
• The hard mode Skeleton Hellhound does not count as demonic, and neither normal or hard counts for hellhound tasks

[silent hatch]

yeah that's what I was doing too, couldn't see anything in the patch notes about the axe change though so maybe it's a bug? (or I can't read)

[mild matrix]

They did add this in the blog post "Bryophyta's growthlings can be left-clicked if you have an axe equipped." - but not sure if they intended to remove the og method of using axe/secs on the growthlings

[winter hearth]

Team has double-checked and afaik the rate is still 1 in 16. Will take a deeper look following tomorrow if it persists

[mild matrix]

Thank you! Sorry we might be jumping the gun with the drop rates but wanted to flag 🙂

[finite oak]

30 kills in and no mossy key

[ember token]

would also like to note Amascut is not capitalized in the Jewel of amascut examine text, and the Shark lure is missing a period at the end of its examine text (unless the wiki is wrong atm)

[finite oak]

Also occassional back-to-back growthlings

[past olive]

On Bryo, is it intended that the Combat Achievement, Bryophyta Champion (kill it 5 times), is locked behind opening the chest, similar to how kc for the HiScores work for it?

[tight brook]

Yes

[chrome lantern]

Still cringe they got rid of manta ray drops for an item to fish something I would never use in the first place

[finite oak]

Also having to switch to axe instead of just use is imo a negative qol change

[winter hearth]

think we might wanna adjust so that axe guarantee one-shots, but having it be a 'use' just makes 0 sense on an introductory boss

it's a weirdly janky mechanic that isn't found anywhere else in reality

[finite oak]

That would also be fine, but as it is it feels jankier than before

[silent hatch]

sounds like it's an intentional change then? that's good to know and I do agree, but is it not possible to have both options?

[ember token]

i dont see why not keep both options

[winter hearth]

I don't know if it's possible for us to easily have both in conjunction with each other

spaghetti etc.

[chrome lantern]

What if we just

Removed the axe altogether

[latent cape]

private instance heuycoytl still has 400 tail hp

[chrome lantern]

lmao

[celest orbit]

🍝

[winter hearth]

Have got a note of this already

[jade hare]

i think if you can just one-shot the growthlings with the axe it would be a really good intro boss mechanic to need to swap to an axe and deal with the adds real quick and then swap back

[chrome lantern]

I just looked at the blog update and had a question

Why is there a warning on Giant bones

[jade hare]

ive got 250 bryo kc pre-update and the frustration with the growthlings was never about the use vs attack stuff, it was always just respawns being too fast and low rolling when hitting them

[chrome lantern]

Like who actually asked for that, no other bones have one lmao it’s definitely not needed

[winter hearth]

as in right now? We hotfixed this earlier

[winter hearth]

They're weird and can't be picked up so interacting with them auto-buries and we didn't wanna brick any accounts

[ember token]

Missed something on the list - hard mode Fareed is immune to weak burns, but the normal mode version is not, think they should both be

[latent cape]

yeah ive just done an instanced kill, still at 400 tail hp

[winter hearth]

It's a temporary fix while we work on something a little more robust

[winter hearth]

tyty, will pass along

[chrome lantern]

I see, didn’t realize they were un-pickupable, that makes more sense. I haven’t been in yet was just confused when I read that

[finite oak]

Maybe an option to turn off the warning?

[chrome lantern]

Surely there’s a “Don’t ask again” on the warning right

Oh, guess not xd

[winter hearth]

Those warnings are a lil harder to quickly spin up if we're worried about bricking accounts, but if we don't have some other more robust solution then yeah we'll probably do that

[jade hare]

appreciate all the support with the many changes today ❤️

[winter hearth]

Not able to reproduce this at all - solo or group instance? GIM? Any more info you can provide?

[celest orbit]

Wouldn't be a client side issue showing more HP than it actually has?

[manic wing]

Can you prep infinite kills at Duke with 82 herb now?

[latent cape]

gim account, solo with friends instance, i have just done a normal 2200 world kill and it still had 400hp not instanced

[viscid kayak]

4max

[manic wing]

Thought it say 4+ at 82?

[woeful zenith]

Can I ask why Phosani P1 was deleted entirely? And what the thinking was behind it? I dont see why it needed to be changed especially with the drop rate changes last year, and the new death/tablet changes that were just released. If anything leave it, buff Inq with mace and have it be better than scythe. Why delete any entire phase

[alpine viper]

Anyone have info on obor and bryo cas? Must I still get keys for the 5 kc ca

[winter hearth]

What on earth

[undone garden]

Second all of this. I have about 100 kc and 1 key. Could be bad rng but if its happening to more than i doubt it.

[onyx forum]

bad rng i got 1 at like 20 lol

[alpine viper]

Hey @winter hearth will obor and bryo still require keys for the 5 kc combat achievement?

[winter hearth]

I think yes

[hasty shard]

i cant believe they removed p1 and not p4

no ezscape !!

[woeful zenith]

It was only changed because Yama is more money per hour and significantly faster/easier. Right?

[covert sentinel]

Scepter spec is definitely still not working at arma

[jade hare]

so far the chunk clan folks have been not having good key drop rates either

[hasty shard]

finally theres a reason to fix accursed sceptre 🥹

its been broken for yearrrs

[zinc lily]

Thzaar creature dont have the 40% accruacy and dmg effect with water spells i tried it on tzhaar-ket

[restive siren]

Maybe just read what was linked to you? The explanation is there

[unreal cape]

just tested and yes to get kill count added you need to open the chest

[jade hare]

they're aware of this i believe. all of the tzhaar in inferno/fight caves do have the weaknesses but it doesnt look like the ones outside do

[woeful zenith]

The explanation is pretty poor. "The fight can drag on" yet contradicting that statement in the first sentence saying "it's one of the the most enjoyable solo encounters in the game for many players."

[alpine viper]

@winter hearth do you know what the drop rates are to receive the keys from bryo/obor? im assuming its significantly better than farming hill giants/moss giants?

[unreal cape]

1/16

[restive siren]

"Its fun but too long" is a perfectly viable line of reasoning

[alpine viper]

Cool thanks atleast its faster

[restive siren]

Idk whats the complaint there

[hard axle]

@winter hearth just heads up, purging staff has been bugged since pet contract release.

It's supposed to be 100% accuracy for all specs, but it rolls off regular accuracy

[woeful zenith]

A sub 7 minute fight for a high level almost end game boss that drops bank isnt that long of a fight. Especially with how engaging and rewarding it is.

[sacred oracle]

could we make the warning on the gate to enter bryo/obor togglable? also the warning to bury the bones? (if this has already been mentioned to you, i'm sorry—there's so many messages!)

[winter hearth]

Still the 1/16 as before I think

[sacred oracle]

oh that was supposed to have a ping

[winter hearth]

Addressed this further up

[sacred oracle]

oh good thing it didn't have a ping then

[restive siren]

But why do you have an issue with having to do the same repetitive thing less times? You still get all the fun parts

[woeful zenith]

Because now the fight became easier for no reason.

[sacred oracle]

okay i see those messages now, thanks for pointing them out to me

[tulip anvil]

Can you double check, I'm at 200kc with 3 keys just trying to get my ca done

[latent cape]

can confirm normal huey is unchanged even in none instanced

[restive siren]

Cant have been that fun or rewarding if basically nobody did it in the first place. So they decided to make it more fun. And its probably still nowhere close to the best moneymakers

[finite oak]

Yeah, it does not feel like 1/16. Not to cry wolf here, but also y'know

[ember token]

i mean do you really think the extra phase made the fight more difficult in an interesting way?

[minor whale]

Complaining they got rid of p1 at NM when it's still dropping some of the most inconsequential to progression gear in the game is wild
They made a fight that's fun a bit quicker. The horror!

[rain fulcrum]

3rd best raid is now 4th best raid gz jagex

[hard axle]

could've just made it a second p4 if the argument is "just make it interesting"

could've made all phases p4

[ember token]

so true

[woeful zenith]

No one did the fight because of the 90+ second run back on teleport/death, and that the tablet could possibly take all 100 kc for you to obtain. That alone gate kept most people from learning/running the boss without tablet.

Now that it is 1/25 and gauranteed on 25 kc makes the p1 change dumb.

[arctic island]

Is anyone else getting a Nothing interesting happens when using the axe on Bryo growthlings after getting them to 0 hp?

[mild matrix]

yeah you have to equip the axe and left click them now - was intended

[finite oak]

Yeah, you have to equip it now

[hard axle]

doing huey now and it's much faster than before, let me pay attention to the tail hp

[arctic island]

tyty

[hard axle]

it definitely feels like its 300 hp

cuz it used to take 5-6 rotations

[slender vapor]

What's akka chip damage look like now?

[latent cape]

mines 400, im so confused

[hard axle]

gims

get fuckled by shuckle or something

[ember token]

how do you know its 400 hp though

[latent cape]

i have the hp inicator on

[hard axle]

runelite plugins generally arent updated super fast

[ember token]

so you dont know it's 400 hp

[latent cape]

hmmm that could be possible

[ember token]

you're just trusting a plugin is correct hours after update

[hard axle]

im gonna record it and count the hp splats

sec

making me do math so early on

u bastards

[true talon]

p1 removal is good there was nothing going on it was just a 2 min waste of hitting the shielded boss an then 4 pillars. i woulda even gone further an make it a 2 phase fight of 1 shield 1 pillar then enrage and had 4 sleep walkers spwan instantlys and have phosani do all her mechanics every phase.

[winter hearth]

can you try again now?

[woeful zenith]

Disagree. The reason why phosani is a hard but great boss fight was because of the longevity of the fight. If you made a mistake early on you were punished for it.

[true talon]

Ya my thrall timer plugin still has old master time, do not think the plugins can be trusted.

[hard axle]

a new bug now

when the tail vanishes, it clears the ursine chainmace damage splats..

[true talon]

It was plugin fault lol. the tail is correctly 300 hp.

[hard axle]

did u even test it or just speaking out the ass

[true talon]

speaking based on the information available.
plugin hp not updated, everyone saying its 300, goblins saying its 300, its only logical to conclude that the fault was on the person using a plugin.

[hard axle]

yes, best to still confirm it

[true talon]

yes but im fighting vard 🙂

[hard axle]

cuz it could be bugged still

[hasty shard]

😭 wrong text colour for kc

[true talon]

Btw i cant wait for all the HCIM who gonna die to deranged archaeologist trying to get the new ring.

because that boss is very dangerous and not many know what it does lmao

[torpid delta]

yea bro hit me for a 50 because i looked away for 2 seconds

[true talon]

but the learn to read hits 50+

[hasty shard]

its just super cranked crazy arch isnt it

[hard axle]

then do that - let the nerds figure it out if still issue, don't yapping

[true talon]

guy hits harder than fucking yama

@winter hearth that might be something to bring up, that boss is insanely overtuned for its intended audience lol.

[timber drift]

wen monkey hp hotfix

[hard axle]

The problem with almost everyone who wants this and that removed is that 99% of them do not ever suggest to compensate the other phases in difficulty because they always want it easier

It's like how folks were seal clapping for Baba no damage through melee, but did not bring up adding range/mage attacks in exchange for no chip damage

[ember token]

no it's funny for it to be that strong

leave it as is

[true talon]

Just thinking of the hcim with iban staff going to it an being deleted, because the area is very tiny and its hard to dodge

[winter hearth]

it does 0 damage except for one special attack that you can easily react to, think it's fine - feels weird to change it just because it suddenly has a valuable-ish (but extremely niche) drop

[hasty shard]

^

[true talon]

alright.

[winter hearth]

like if you're gonna lose a HC to Deranged Archaeologist, you were gonna lose it to something else before too long I feel?

[true talon]

probably

[ember token]

if anything they should make the crazy archaeologist's special attack a bit stronger

[winter hearth]

think Crazy Arch is purposefully 'easier' because it's in the Wildy etc., even though it's a dead spot

[zinc lily]

when is the new fletching knife and spring barrel thing gonna happen ?

[hasty shard]

i am now sad that duke prep is technically sweatier than before
the flow for doing double rolls was neat now i gotta 3t for a minute+ 😭

[ember token]

varlamore part 3

release date was already announced

[zinc lily]

hmm missed that i think lol

[true talon]

Well hes also lvl 276 and hitting harder than mobs in the 1000s hes 0 damage but hes also tanky as fuck. but i do agree if you lost hcim to that it would prob happen anyways. but i guess its whatever the intended audience is.

[sand lichen]

who cares

[severe furnace]

Just don't get hit 🙂

[true talon]

i look forward to the behemoth clips atleast XD

[minor whale]

Ok just did a Huey kill

Tail is 300 hp

[hard axle]

@winter hearth 312 HP on instance huey tail, so I assume it's regen

BUT

please fix the ursine chainmace spec issue

that is actually massive nerf

the spec damage-over-time is normally supposed to carry over when the tail transitions and instead it wipes out the damage-over-time completely

[woeful zenith]

Yeah. I dont see why changing the fight was necessary. The qol on the tablet and death changes are fantastic.

[small anvil]

It's a way to indirectly buff drop rate

[hard axle]

i wouldn't mind more instances spitting you outside the instance

[small anvil]

And it cuts out a less interesting part of the fight

[analog crow]

Give a rare fossil to deranged arch to unlock woke arch with dharok effect and medic

[hard axle]

feels less shit

[hasty shard]

tbh i still think phosanis only needed that death change anot not also the tablet

i got my tab at 100 im allowed to say this

[hard axle]

100 kc tablet getter too

same

that and the fact they left pet rate out of rebalancing the first 2 times is kinda dumb, but we digress

and take what we can get

[hasty shard]

make pet rarer why is it more common than orbs :)

cough cough

[woeful zenith]

It didnt need to be buffed. It was fine. Imo.

[small anvil]

jagex felt differently ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hasty shard]

people just really hate phosanis for some reason

i assume this is why harm doesnt get buffed ever

[fossil epoch]

Good old, i had to suffer, others should aswell

[small anvil]

Feel like they want more people doing the content

[hasty shard]

and why elemental weaknesses have to still suck

[true talon]

Facts, move this to dt2 bosses and other instanced bosses.

[hasty shard]

because oh no!! they might have to grind harm!! 😭

[rain fulcrum]

In fact we just nerfed harms only real use in this update

[hasty shard]

ok tbh real keeping a second ring is such a fucking pain when they dont share tele charges

[small anvil]

Nah what's they're saying is more like they did the full time, didn't get spooned, and it wasn't that bad

[hasty shard]

yeah its what literally just a nex kc weapon now

😭

or poverty wisp weapon

[hard axle]

[true talon]

twinflame kinda as good for that lol

[rain fulcrum]

They should have just rename ice demon to ice dude

[true talon]

name demonbane works on him now

[hasty shard]

john icesticles

[true talon]

as i suggested longtime ago

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah I'm sure u were the first person to suggest that

[true talon]

Maybe i wasnt, but i suggested it when purging staff entered the game with 0 uses

[hasty shard]

nah

[true talon]

if people suggested before then ok.

[rain fulcrum]

It's funny cuz ppl aren't looking at using synapse weapons

[hasty shard]

i think 14.6 dps is like near the highest dps achievable in the game

not 100% on that

[rain fulcrum]

But just 4 bclaws

[woeful zenith]

Inq with mace needs to be bis crush over scythe but they dont care. 🤷

[hasty shard]

but its like if you need 200% weakness to achieve that

[keen reef]

WE konw when the update is for toa?

this week right?

[steady saddle]

Please Jagex, bryophita and obor changes make them worse than pre update. Please revert the update and make a bigger update specifically improving these 2 bosses. The update today literally did not improve anything at all and just made it worse. The only good thing is the bones.

[burnt cairn]

?

[ember token]

yeah we do know when the update is, it's in 4 hours ago

[keen reef]

sick

thanks

[burnt cairn]

Keep the update. Don’t have to waste 100k cannonballs on keys anymore

[keen plaza]

You still need to get the same amount of keys to get the uniques though

[burnt cairn]

Who gives af tho you can farm boss for keys

[quartz marsh]

31 kills 4.6k worth and no keys

[minor whale]

Which can be gotten from killing the bosses

[quartz marsh]

its horrible dude

[burnt cairn]

Nah you just have bad RNG

[minor whale]

You can still go farm keys from normal moss giants

[true talon]

thats good to then

[burnt cairn]

Also31 kills isn’t much of anything LMAO

[minor whale]

You can still farm keys from the same places you were farming keys
But you can also just go kill the bosses for keys

How is that 'worse'

[burnt cairn]

It’s not

Dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about

Complaining about 31 KC, which is literally nothing

[quartz marsh]

killing regular hill giants is more worth now

there is no point to killing him outside of CAs

[burnt cairn]

If you wanna waste cannonballs sure

It’s still not meant to be farmed

Just less annoying to clog

[mild matrix]

the drop rate is 1/16, so you're not even twice dry - but tbf it does look like it's bugged, i'm at about 1/100 for keys since update from bryo so think it's rolling off moss giants table atm

[burnt cairn]

Even if you’re above the 16 kill threshold it doesn’t mean your due a drop

[minor whale]

What are you talking about
Killing him has the same chance at getting a key as before...the key which can be used to open the chest
Killing normal hill giants for keys still lets you open the chests for loot
The boss is there as a key farming boss
Nothing has changed except now you can kill the boss for keys

[finite oak]

I'm on 60kc with one, i'm undecide if she hates me or droprates are bugged

[minor whale]

I think he's saying that since the boss drops are less valuable it's worse

But the keys that are dropped are what holds the value in the loot chest

So you're not losing gp from killing him, just go loot the chest

[burnt cairn]

@minor whale is the only one here that is using his brain besides me

Drops are not bugged just bc you’re dry. Quit complaining

[hard axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431834766325841920/1334364888927305829/image.png?ex=685cbea4&is=685b6d24&hm=733dfe9b3d3757a651a3674256c536857647999a0266b5c46cae234e5737d65d&

[mild matrix]

I'm agreeing with you btw, was just trying to give more context as I think it is bugged - we've done about 500kc atm between our gim team since update

[final frigate]

At Raid Levels 350, 400, 450 and 500, the weighting of the Lightbearer and Osmumten's Fang reduces.
does anyone know if a mod has confirmed this is brackets and not scaling? like 500 and 520 are exact same weightings?

[burnt cairn]

You have not done 500 KC since the update

I don’t believe that for a second

[minor whale]

There's methods for crazy fast kc

[mild matrix]

I didn't say I had...... within our gim team we're doing it on multiple accounts

[hasty shard]

between our gim team

[hard axle]

cumulatively? it's been 4 hours over up to 5 people

that's like 25 kph each person

[burnt cairn]

That makes more sense then yeah

[quartz marsh]

ah yes the elitist @burnt cairn doesnt believe so it in fact cant be

[burnt cairn]

Bro you’ve done 31 KC

Prob 1250 total

[quartz marsh]

i can still say the update is ass

get over it

[mild matrix]

bryo is scared of me he dies as soon as he sets eyes on me

[burnt cairn]

It’s not

[hard axle]

the 500 kc fried his ability to read afterwards

[burnt cairn]

The update is objectively good lmao

[hard axle]

[minor whale]

But like
How is it ass

I've not seen it explained outside of not understanding how game mechanics work

[burnt cairn]

@minor whale it’s not ass

[mild matrix]

fwiw complete agree, only commenting bc i think there's a bug

[minor whale]

There's legitimately just not any scenario (outside of the droprate might be bugged) where this system is worse

[burnt cairn]

Mr Pink is just a Reddit cry baby 1250 total

[quartz marsh]

not the update as a whole just the obor and byro aspect

[burnt cairn]

How

[burnt cairn]

You really aren’t making much of any sense. It’s better across the board.

[quartz marsh]

outside of CA's there is no point to kill obor

his loot is ass

[minor whale]

Holy shit

[burnt cairn]

And there shouldn’t be

[minor whale]

Pink

I don't think you're getting it

[burnt cairn]

Obor is not meant to be great GP/hr

Lmao

[torpid delta]

need a giant flashing arrow over the chest so he knows what he's supposed to be getting the loot from

[quartz marsh]

this is pennies

[minor whale]

Before you needed a key to fight Byrophyta or Obor, right?
Now you don't
But the keys which are still grindable in the same way and also from the boss
Drop the loot he used to drop

[burnt cairn]

@torpid delta LMAOOO

[jovial sentinel]

Why are you expecting a trash low level boss to be more than a few gp per hour?

[minor whale]

So you're NOT making less money
Your drops are just not from the boss but from the chest by the boss

This is legitimately not a hard concept

[ember token]

the gp per giant key/mossy key is unchanged to my knowledge

[burnt cairn]

it’s bc Mr pink is a 1250 total who thinks he knows this game

Probably crying on Reddit too

[quartz marsh]

no lol

[hasty shard]

wonder if obor is good prayer training early

[burnt cairn]

Prob

[quartz marsh]

dude you have a osrs as your disc pic

get tf off me dog

[finite oak]

Oh yeah, the prayer xp is really nice

[hasty shard]

if you can somehow kill him like 2x faster than blue drags anyways

[burnt cairn]

That’s so irrelevant to the bs your spitting

[wide badger]

How much hp do shamans have now in solo 300?

[burnt cairn]

Other than skulls being bugged at wardens overall good update

And that’ll get fixed in no time so no complaints here

[wide badger]

are they still bugged? Did the devs give any estimate if they'll try to push for the fix today or will we have to wait for the next update?

[burnt cairn]

I’m sure it’ll be fixed by tonight at latest

[minor whale]

Hotfixed already

[burnt cairn]

Lfg

[obsidian venture]

they have like 50 hp

[hard axle]

help me report the ursine chainmace bug

[minor whale]

Yeah it was rough on my 1 Huey kc

That's a bad unintentional nerf

[obsidian venture]

Akkhas touhous phase now allows people without eyes to complete it

[minor whale]

30% less balls is such an improvement

[obsidian venture]

Good change

[minor whale]

To those without eyes or thumbs the raid has been made even more accessible

[burnt cairn]

It should be more balls than that tho Jesus that’s so free

[torpid delta]

finally, i can play toa with my feet

[minor whale]

Unfortunately it's at the expense of "The long boring raid now has less to do while still being long and boring"

[hard axle]

they mentioned that they would look into a middle ground

[obsidian venture]

Glad the avg osrs player who doesn’t have hands or eyes and can do this room

[torpid delta]

could probably make it a little more accessible though for people without feet to control the mouse

[obsidian venture]

So true

[hard axle]

cuz you might as well just afk

[obsidian venture]

Baba now consumes restore doses

[hard axle]

make the balls increased spawn consistently with non-perfect mistakes

[analog crow]

Wow the buff to fishing guild ducks is very nice
Good job pls don’t revert

[obsidian venture]

Was 0 prayer basically with 5:1, 6t

[hard axle]

you take a off-pray? +1 ball

[ember token]

restore some of the balls and then add an invo that brings back how they used to be

[hasty shard]

dude

[obsidian venture]

Now you either 1t flick or lazy flick

So more prayer just on baba on avg

Sadge

Unless you do the former!

[minor whale]

The hardest part of Baba is now waves

[obsidian venture]

Which is faster

If you aren’t getting s2 already it’s lost

[hard axle]

join me in making 100k surge pots