Idk man some people get 4
#game-update
nocturne solstice
final frigate
Because they decide to run suboptimal raids
Or 1 off transmogs
tiny epoch
thats zkab order which youd only do for a challenge run yea
final frigate
Baba should be 0 or 2
nocturne solstice
Again though, its 15 or 18 dmg
its not a big deal or a point to focus on 
if people run baba 4
final frigate
.
nocturne solstice
What you decide as "should" doesnt seem to be what the majority choose to do
Why do you think then that 5:1 is so uncommon?
Do people just hate speed and damage?
tiny epoch
people largely dont knoe what it is
or have only heard of it as a extreme difficult method
nocturne solstice
But why do they know about red-x but not 5:1
tiny epoch
because gnomonkey made a guide on redx
nocturne solstice
Gnomemonkey didnt make a 5:1 guide? (I dont watch gnomemonkey)
tiny epoch
content creators like saebae & tastylife talk about redx as being required & boring
theres 2 guides on youtube about 5:1 from a 5k sub & 500 sub channels
final frigate
What you decide as "should" doesnt seem to be what the majority choose to do
Because toa content creators perma push dogshit
And overstate the chip as if baba kills you in 2 hits through pray
And pretend like 6 0 is some godlike tech that solves all your problems and files your taxes for free
nocturne solstice
Well it does solve all your problems and that was the problem
Okay maybe not all your problems if we include boredom as a problem 
final frigate
Well it does solve all your problems and that was the problem
Problem that most people barely experience at all and high invo runners can play around
nocturne solstice
Im pretty sure its a problem most people did feel which is why they learned red-x
final frigate
Maybe that's partially to do with them getting 10hped in monkey room 
Or refusing to brew
Yellow pot good
Unlucky being good at monkey room also becomes irrelevant with the change
When good monkey room meant better dps at baba
nocturne solstice
Probably, but thats why they learned a tech to help themselves which is what you wanted
This all feels like its veering off normal gameplay into speedrunner territory
Which isnt a problem or bad
its just not what people would normally want to deal with
final frigate
Probably, but thats why they learned a tech to help themselves which is what you...
No it's more like entry tob learners trying to copy solo hmt tech and saying the raid feels awful and forces them to learn tech
Like they're the ones overcomplicating things
nocturne solstice
Im confused, the 5:1 would be the "solo hmt tech" in this situation and you're the one telling them to learn it no?
final frigate
You don't need 5:1 in 350s
nocturne solstice
ok just to be clear, when do you think someone should learn 5:1?
tiny epoch
after patch day this week, never 
nocturne solstice
true
they wont have to learn red-x either
might be wishful thinking on my part but I do hope they just add some more invos
maybe a baba specific chip dmg one to bring em back for the peeps that could handle it
final frigate
They're making the raid better for the majority/casuals which is a good thing, like the kephri and akkha/p2 skull bomb type changes are all good
But they could also make those changes without removing existing tech
tiny epoch
lowkey im a but worried about the p2 bomb change
its not rly gonna matter in the end but
final frigate
Imagine they lower baba chip damage so people can just recline and be fine in low invos and sweats can tank specs in monkey room and 5:1 baba
tiny epoch
if the bombs are going to avoid the boss & obelisk does thay mean more will land near you?
doesnt rly matter i guess but
final frigate
Could be yeah if they just remove those overlap tiles as possibilities
I think the main pain point was just not being able to see the skulls under warden so should be okay
tiny epoch
yeah true
being able to hear them is pretty op
u hear them coming from the obelisk i just take 1 step away
its the ones closer to you you have to worry about
lunar blade
I find it abit wierd that fish drops gets nerfed on some bosses. But op angler bait gets dropped from Yama 
tiny epoch
yeah i mean thats intentional design right
op bait drop to incentivise skilling
seeds are kindof the same idea tho right
maybe
whats the diff between seeds & bait
ember token
bait is just fish seeds
ornate wolfBOT
Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Plant_Power
winged mantle
When do we get bulk seed planting then?
I wish we could plant 5 seeds and it takes 5 seeds worth of time and you just do a mega harvest
jovial sentinel
Would be nice, but people would complain that the effort is being removed from farming, its the end of the world and the tree meta is dead
bronze kernel
I just don't understand this weird mentality of protecting the current meta forever
Just let some things be laid to rest
jovial sentinel
Neither.
winged mantle
You would still need to do farm runs. Just less
jovial sentinel
People likely desperately holding on to their achievements
Dont want anyone to have a better time
winged mantle
Heck even remove the xp
winged mantle
Smh
jovial sentinel
Same
jovial sentinel
Probably to improve the quality of life, i suppose
stuck mauve
why would u just endlessly add qol
dont you want solo tob to be easier?
then you wont have to rdps anymore in duos 
winged mantle
Dailyscape bad
jovial sentinel
I think a big part is that people dont necessarily want things to be easier.
They want them to be more enjoyable
winged mantle
They want them to be more enjoyable
This
jovial sentinel
But people that are done with content have a conflict of interest
They dont want it to be enjoyable, because they are done.
winged mantle
There's a lot I had to do as an iron before all the qol that I'm very happy the jmods have fixed/ made better for future irons
Even if I don't engage with it
jovial sentinel
A lot of the time im ok with increased difficulty for qol
As in, if its now easier, just make it harder in another way
Yeah, same here
I appreciate that the earlygame can be pretty great now
We've probably had too many earlygame boss content in a row though
And sailing will definitely give more of those
tiny epoch
slender vapor
I miss the digger
Anyone crying about farming ehp should reevaluate their life decisions
true talon
Anyone crying about farming ehp should reevaluate their life decisions
esp one who thinks your gonna do snapgrass for farming over tree runs lol
vivid ruin
Digger would've only made farming worth it for people who already have 99 farming lmao
And even then... maybe
slender vapor
People acted like level 3s are gonna have it day 1 and never do trees again
It's an endgame boss drop, that makes allotments not suck nuts to farm
Holy shit, nerf it to oblivion
vivid ruin
Jagex fix horn pleae
solar gale
take it to corp where it belongs
jovial sentinel
Soulflame is mostly useless though, on a boss people will mass farm for the gear. Digger would likely be desirable on all accounts that farm, just for the QoL if the price is right, but could easily be untradable.
solar gale
still better than it being stupid rare and useless like ralos is
jovial sentinel
For sure.
rare grotto
They want them to be more enjoyable
more enjoyable is fine
but come up with suggestions that aren't just making stuff easier
(it's very hard to do because ppl aren't honest with themselves and just want faster xp rates for less effort)
jovial sentinel
But a lot of this qol thats making things more enjoyable also make things easier.
As well.
Sometimes an ass mechanic being fixed means the difficulty isnt the same.
Im all for the difficulty being increased in those situations, though.
rare grotto
here's an example of a good change, akkha not swapping on specials is by all means making the fight easier right? but they compensate by it being 100% to swap if u do get hit
jovial sentinel
And yeah, you're correct. A lot also want to just have higher rates, which makes little sense to me (in a lot of cases)
rare grotto
there's a clear downside with the "qol"
jovial sentinel
Absolutely.
rare grotto
then u have baba change (she does 0 dmg now) and there's nothing else in the fight
there's no downside, nothing
objectively dogshit but ppl will applaud it cause baba does dmg or w/e
jovial sentinel
Yeah, if thats the case (im not experience in toa), im with you.
solar gale
baba's mechanic of she hits you 30s through prayer wasn't fun tho
jovial sentinel
But that doesnt mean it wasnt a good change.
jovial sentinel
QoL to make something not ass is better in a lot of casez even if it does make something easy.
rare grotto
and many bosses deal dmg through prayer, that is just the game
jovial sentinel
But keeping difficulty where it should be is better.
rare grotto
u can mitigate dmg taken, it's part of the raid/pvm
jovial sentinel
I think where it matters most is when you also need expensive supplies, whether thats money or time to get.
rare grotto
QoL to make something not ass is better in a lot of casez even if it does make s...
i'm saying u should always look to keep the difficulty first, then see if u can make a change within that constraint
jovial sentinel
And time to get to encounter.
rare grotto
it's also why old monkey room was just better designed
vs running around in rigour one-waying everything
jovial sentinel
If boss takes ages to get to, and also chips you like crazy (gwd bosses), chip is definitely bad.
rare grotto
0 skill af
jovial sentinel
But those are old
Yeah, i prioritise the other way i guess. But ideally just do both, its often not that hard
solar gale
when does baba hit 30s through prayer
ok it used to be a 26 before nerfs but thats still pretty high for chip damage
solar gale
ah yes the raid where you can prep near infinite supplies vs toa
lets 1:1 compare these
rare grotto
you have infinite supplies at toa as well if you so desire
solar gale
but with a limitation of a keris spec when you go to a high enough invo level you can't actually use those supplies fast enough
rare grotto
there are 510 no dehydro raids so ur just yapping ngl
solar gale
and do they face tank baba?
wispy current
Ive never done team toa but solos anything above 300 is really bac chip damage wise
Can play perfect and still need to brew
solar gale
and spam healing specs and use the tankiest melee armor in the game + bloodfury
solar gale
ah because justi exists right
the tankies armor people will actually use
sorry redditor man
rare grotto
show how easy baba is
yes but it doesn't count 😡 (i'm incapable of changing my opinion in the face of evidence)
use blood moons as an alternative it does not make a difference
wonder what the next excuse will be
that was pre-nerf baba as well btw
true talon
So i thought high slash defense on oathplate would help with vard. this dude has accuracy on par with kalphite queen
hasty shard
defense doesnt matter for a reason 
solar gale
>show how easy baba is
>yes but it doesn't count 😡 (i'm incapable of changing m...
When I have time to do it ill over analyze the video and see how average it is
true talon
defense doesnt matter for a reason <:kekw:997907574034792498>
Very fun im wearing 334 slash defense and vard is hitting me 7-10 every hit. someone explain why a high mechanical boss needs chip damage again lol.
wooden harbor
true while they're at it they should also remove chip damage from olm and make the prayers predictable 💀
because we clearly hate the idea of chip damage
vivid ruin
You'd be able to sit there for days if there wasn't chip
true talon
You'd be able to sit there for days if there wasn't chip
why is this a problem? i dont think you should be punished at a high mechanic boss for playing properly
whisperer doesnt chip you and you can basically stay there with p pots only
there is a difference in small chip and just outright smacking you non stop.
Small chip leviathan phase shifts.
overwhelming chip - kalphite queen, vard, baba, nex.
stuck mauve
wispy current
I think these guys have stock in saradomin brew
true talon
I dont think chip is bad, but excessive chip like vard and other bosses that people historically hate is.
nex, vard, baba, normal nightmare
like if im wearing max slash defense gear at vard, i shouldnt be getting hit 9 every hit, starting a kill full hp using 2 ancient god sword specs and ending the kill at 20 hp without messing up is just not fun.
vivid ruin
I believe vard and duke have a similar chip damage dont they?
25% damage through prayer
true talon
duke dont hit that hard though prayer and hes also not a very intense mechanical boss
vivid ruin
duke dont hit that hard though prayer and hes also not a very intense mechanical...
He definitely drains your hp bar pretty fast with prayer up. But mechanically wise i agree vard is a liitle bit tougher. Mainly because of that random missle spawn in the middle of dodging axes
Overall the average kill is quicker though
tiny epoch
duke definitely doesnt chip as much as vard
vard does like 90 damage per kc duke does like 25
wooden harbor
theres also a good difference between vard's and baba's chip too
vard's chip damage can not be mitigated without external healing.
baba's chip damage on the other hand can be significantly mitigated.
vivid ruin
The slam attack is significantly more powerful than the icicles and will deal heavy damage. Protect from Melee reduces the icicles' damage by 50% and the slam by ~26%.
crimson trellis
How do I add game updates as a webhook into my discord server guys?
vivid ruin
Vardorvis uses a standard melee attack, which is reduced by roughly ~75% when Protect from Melee is active
wooden harbor
How do I add game updates as a webhook into my discord server guys?
click on the osrs news channel in this discord and click the follow button
crimson trellis
Thanks
vivid ruin
My average duke kill is like 2:30 and my hp bar is usually ~40 with a perfect kill
Try it yourself lol
true talon
They could reduce vards chip to 10% which means he would still hit 4 and not be inf supplies, but it would not be insane as it is right now
vivid ruin
You do have to sort of consider how fast the average kill is though
true talon
fighting vard for only 1-1:30 an ending on 20 hp from full kinda monka
vivid ruin
Vard is probably the fastest of the 4 to kill isnt he?
true talon
he is around 1-1:30 in max yea
vivid ruin
I think he should have more supply drops and less trash drops tbh
true talon
Levi is also 1:30-2 mins
hard axle
I think he should have more supply drops and less trash drops tbh
I hope they continue with TD supply drop
where it's a static spawn lmao
hard axle
scurrius pile/gwd altar isn't awful tbh
hasty shard
i think they should adjust some supply drops tbh
ive not done duke in a bit but it probably needs a super energy drop added
hard axle
i think they should adjust some supply drops tbh
bosses should always have supply drops 
they dont have to be bis supplies either
shit like bass is completely fine
hasty shard
+1 ppot for wisp, remove the mantas
merge levis supply drops
ok the issue with pnm is that its just the team boss drops
it should NOT have the same identical bass drop
like thats very obviously designed to split between multiple people
but if we're ok with little-thought things like those drops then that means yama contracts are fine
cough cough
i kinda think vards supplies are fine?
maaaybe he needs +1 food idk
also just like. turn every 3 dose into 4 dose its so toxic 😭
hard axle
tick perfect captcha = a heal for you
vivid ruin
Duke drops are ok imo. I feel like i can literally live there with the supplies i get
Just have to stand still here and there
hasty shard
or like
drop air runes
to vile vigour 
/ soul
it probably does not matter after agil changes though
i just dont actually know
true talon
Lol got a ingot from vard its 32k which is alch value, think they be safe to delete them from the game and just have the pathway supply them all.
atleast those ingots from pathway cost like 800k to make
make them untradeable and then a ton of gold will be sinked by making the dt2 rings
restive siren
ye getting ingots feels terrible
stuck mauve
true
obsidian venture
And pretend like 6 0 is some godlike tech that solves all your problems and file...
retweet 
true talon
There's a lot I had to do as an iron before all the qol that I'm very happy the ...
Correct mentality, just because I had to suffer doesn’t meant the future players need to. There are some downright awful grinds that have been improved.
obsidian venture
I don't mind at all if something is made easier, but it has to make sense as to why it is
There's been plenty of qol over the years which I agree with, and some are ??? because it genuinely wasn't needed
true talon
I don't mind at all if something is made easier, but it has to make sense as to ...
Only reason should be it as perceived as an issue by majority of the players and the devs came to the decision to make changes. That’s the only sense that needs to be applied. Often if a majority come to a conclusion something is problematic it is.
narrow folio
vs running around in rigour one-waying everything
I still don't get why monkey rooms so hated while not many's crying for nylo "qol". Maybe because tob is less popular so the casuals do it less?
true talon
Vocal minorities are an extreme annoyance to progression and advancements
obsidian venture
There's a difference in something that needs updates because it's awful and a timesink for little value: think MTA
hard axle
I still don't get why monkey rooms so hated while not many's crying for nylo "qo...
because toa is soloable
easily soloable
data shows this
obsidian venture
Only reason should be it as perceived as an issue by majority of the players and...
Yeah and that's fine but again within constraint
true talon
Nylo qol should max hit when you use weakness that way it rewards you for losing no ticks and attacking each nylo with its weakness, over hitting a 0.
narrow folio
Only thing I don't like about monkeys is the vents and pillar shit
obsidian venture
pillar/venom/high hp (now nerfed)/interacting with the room while solving it
rare grotto
I still don't get why monkey rooms so hated while not many's crying for nylo "qo...
mayhaps. People also complained it's a puzzle room and so therefore it should be watered down
true talon
I still don't get why monkey rooms so hated while not many's crying for nylo "qo...
To is reserved for those of an elite mindset who think they are having the best time using pnecks and humidfy to 1 down bloat.
hard axle
mayhaps. People also complained it's a puzzle room and so therefore it should be...
we make monkey room into telegrab room
chrome lantern
?
hard axle
the old telegrab room
obsidian venture
To is reserved for those of an elite mindset who think they are having the best...
What does this have to do with anything
narrow folio
lmao
rare grotto
guaranteeing max hit just makes the room so boring 
true talon
Dw I’m sure I’ve angered a few
obsidian venture
Are you hating on someone else fun now?
true talon
guaranteeing max hit just makes the room so boring <:shrug:1131298964361191465>
Please explain how doing the mechanics of the room correctly and removing the rng factor of splashing or hitting a 0 makes the room boring?
chrome lantern
Didn't you know that you're banned from enjoying optimal play
rare grotto
Please explain how doing the mechanics of the room correctly and removing the rn...
because switching is part of the game's skill ceil, guaranteeing max hit with 1 ways is incredibly dull
obsidian venture
Also bringing in subjective statements into a discussion
narrow folio
Let's not call it negative iq please
obsidian venture
Let's not call it negative iq please
But it is
true talon
Optimal would be 1 hitting the nylon you hit with its weakness over having to double back an hit it again
obsidian venture
Because it does nothing
rare grotto
and it's a bit more deep but game is partly about hitting 0s -> makes hitting big feel nice so that's why every boss feels very different
narrow folio
There are more respectful ways to criticize
rare grotto
if maiden was 1:00 every time then it'd be turbo boring
hard axle
Only thing I don't like about monkeys is the vents and pillar shit
this is actually one of the main reasons why people don't like monkey room
obsidian venture
That's like being a robot and agreeing with anything
hard axle
but do like nylos
obsidian venture
no thanks
narrow folio
You can call it a poor statement but verging onto personal attacks is not ok
rare grotto
mods in here are baiter apologists wcyd
hard axle
Another reaosn is that nylos you can reach corner to corner without losing ticks
obsidian venture
You can call it a poor statement but verging onto personal attacks is not ok
personal is calling the person it
not the statement
hope this helps
narrow folio
You said it is negative iq to say and he said it so by extension calling him stupid
obsidian venture
that statement can be said by anyone but it is on the spectrum of being dumb
No
hard axle
You said it is negative iq to say and he said it so by extension calling him stu...
okay, then delete the worthless elitist comment of his too
obsidian venture
I have a screenshot of your mods saying that and then backpedalling
do you really want to have this convo
where you will lose
hard axle
because he's admited to just say this shit to bait
narrow folio
Two wrongs don't make a right
obsidian venture
right in front of a chat mod
yeah keep backing up baiters
good modding
I don't know if plinxer is ai or not sometimes
hard to tell
indigo tinsel
Report the bait to modmail, or don't bite
chrome lantern
Dw I’m sure I’ve angered a few
Exhibit 12000 of Tassili admittting he only says things for reaction
obsidian venture
Reported many times before dw
narrow folio
All I'm seeing here is him disagreeing that the max hits make it less fun
obsidian venture
no
true talon
I’ve not even posted on Reddit
true talon
I had to put them on ignore to avoid the constant insults lol
obsidian venture
Good
obsidian venture
To is reserved for those of an elite mindset who think they are having the best...
.
narrow folio
The thing about pillars etc is it breaks the flow
chrome lantern
I wouldn't call questioning illogical claims as "constant insults"
narrow folio
But maintaining ticks is also skill expression
obsidian venture
this is not about the 1 hit
true talon
It’s not illogical only in your view lol, sorry that I’m not against you if I disagree with you.
obsidian venture
I wouldn't call questioning illogical claims as "constant insults"
@narrow folio
If I wanted to insult tass I'd @ him
instead I said that statement was
Me calling out a statement, which can be typed by anyone, isn't directly insulting the og
chrome lantern
This reminds me a couple days ago of someone claiming a bofa was better for a first infernal cape because Zuk is just walking in a straight line and if you can't do that you're braindead
obsidian venture
I hope to god, human to human, you understand that
chrome lantern
Better than a tbow
obsidian venture
chrome lantern
It wasn't Tass though
indigo tinsel
Such statements have a tendency to lead to disruption should the other party respond
rare grotto
Report the bait to modmail, or don't bite
u telling me there have been 0 modmails about tass's incessant baiting?
obsidian venture
But you somehow can't call that comment "dumb" even though it is 100% false
true talon
This reminds me a couple days ago of someone claiming a bofa was better for a fi...
My iron friend who spooned a tbow failed many inferno attempts with tbow due to it not hitting and not having giga max range. He first time it with Bowfa.
hard axle
But maintaining ticks is also skill expression
To is reserved for those of an elite mindset who think they are having the best time using pnecks and humidfy to 1 down bloat.
Another reaosn is that nylos you can reach corner to corner without losing ticks. Pillars legitimately fuck this up too.
If tass wants to be pretend that's ONLY an elitism aspect as to people why people HATE monkey room, but like nylos, then he shouldn't be open to any changes, including the ones that existed.
indigo tinsel
u telling me there have been 0 modmails about tass's incessant baiting?
I cant tell you who's done what
rare grotto
My iron friend who spooned a tbow failed many inferno attempts with tbow due to ...
look at this lol 
obsidian venture
Jesus
chrome lantern
My iron friend who spooned a tbow failed many inferno attempts with tbow due to ...
Bofa is only 2% more accurate than tbow that's complete anecdotal
hard axle
Like Bane said, there's many reasons why people like tob and don't like toa
puzzles are 1 such reason
chrome lantern
20% worse than tbow is not better than tbow
narrow folio
I understand that you need to disagree with opinions but there's ways to phrase so it doesn't seem you're personally attacking.
hard axle
I understand that you need to disagree with opinions but there's ways to phrase ...
where is the insult in my statement, I was originally going to call him stupid, but I remove that part
chrome lantern
Also they said it was easier to not miss ticks with a faster weapon which is false
warm storm
bowfa can make waves simpler since it works on all mobs, but tbow is the clear winner at zuk
obsidian venture
Plinxer I don't think you understand anything unfortunately so this convo is fallen on deaf ears
I wasn't disagreeing with an opion
indigo tinsel
Also saying negative iq doesn't help because it attacks the person not the argument
obsidian venture
it's ok to disagree
hard axle
calling nylos elitism-boned is fucking stupid
obsidian venture
I was calling out a bait statement
which has no relavance to the discussion
do you understand that
wispy current
I gotta disagree monkey room is fun
obsidian venture
that's fine
vivid ruin
I like monkey room
narrow folio
I'm not backing Tass up in any statement. I'm telling you the way you phrase these things is disrespectful
obsidian venture
We are talking about nylos, he bringing up humid necking elitists at tob
I don't really need to respect someone for baiting
narrow folio
I agree that statement was inaccurate
wispy current
Base nylo just going for clears with adequate team is easy compared to solo monkey room
hard axle
I'm not backing Tass up in any statement. I'm telling you the way you phrase the...
disrespectful but true 
noble vortex
obsidian venture
I will never respect someone who baits or says very poorly thought out things
vivid ruin
obsidian venture
that's very inhuman to constantly kiss ass
indigo tinsel
cant call a spade a spade or what
Okay but what makes it innacurate?
hard axle
I agree that statement was inaccurate
like, when you called me out for overstating Oath's impact at colo, I assented cuz I also didn't realize it was only 2-3%
narrow folio
You can think what you want of anyone or even not respond but provoking them with insults doesn't help.
obsidian venture
Again if I wanted to insult I'd @ him
and there would be fancier words used
no slurs ofc
hard axle
part of discussion is admitting when you're wrong and he never does that because "herder my opinion 2+2=5"
rare grotto
Okay but what makes it innacurate?
well for one comparing apples to pears (nylos vs monkey room comparison is valid, but what does bloat have to do with any of the discussion?) and secondly, who says u need to humid for bloat?
narrow folio
Yeah and did you see me call your opinion that oath is huge at colo stupid or 0 iq?
rare grotto
kinda fucked i have to clarify lol
obsidian venture
part of discussion is admitting when you're wrong and he never does that because...
simple as
indigo tinsel
You don't have to @ someone to insult them
obsidian venture
well for one comparing apples to pears (nylos vs monkey room comparison is valid...
say this louder
hard axle
half of the stuff he says is extremely iron-pilled, and he talks about how good iron is, but then complains about every little gap that isn't outright catered to him.
obsidian venture
clearly folks are blind
narrow folio
See that comeback would've been good instead of calling it negative iq
obsidian venture
we are talking toa, and he brings a random ass statement for what someone has fun doing
true talon
half of the stuff he says is extremely iron-pilled, and he talks about how good ...
False.
obsidian venture
so it's bizarre
and bait
when he follows up with "dw I'm sure i angered a few"
true talon
D arrows is the only thing but that’s a shared Ironman ideal.
rare grotto
well you see, monkey room has its issues, and it's just like those 12:0 shadow olm elitists
technology imo
obsidian venture
true talon
Not having a grindable way to sustain them over rng drops is bad design for a game mode about self sustain
obsidian venture
ah jeez round 320
indigo tinsel
12:0 is the same as 1:0 or 5:0 right? For every x attacks I do, they do 0? First number shouldn't matter?
obsidian venture
kinda fucked i have to clarify lol
legit
obsidian venture
12:0 is the same as 1:0 or 5:0 right? For every x attacks I do, they do 0? First...
no l0l
indigo tinsel
405:0
narrow folio
the first number is how many attacks until the cycle repeats
indigo tinsel
Okay tell me why, not just no
rare grotto
it's a specific shadow cycle that doesn't lose ticks similarly to 3:0 (trident)
indigo tinsel
Thanks @narrow folio
obsidian venture
you're in a 12 hit cycle and get hit 0 times if done correctly
chrome lantern
Trident is 3:0 isn't it
true talon
12:0 is the same as 1:0 or 5:0 right? For every x attacks I do, they do 0? First...
No man you don’t understand if you don’t 500-0 your raid will be 3 ticks slower
obsidian venture
yes trident is 3:0
rare grotto
oh
obsidian venture
12:0 is west side
8:1 is east side
but same pattern
with shadow
maxing dps and minimal damage, if none at all
Which allows folks to cruise through no preps
narrow folio
idk why you need different cycles for each side but I just click tile
obsidian venture
but same pattern
.
chrome lantern
Drag behaves differently
rare grotto
it's because u get dragged differently depending on where olm is
chrome lantern
You can't avoid all damage on one side
chrome lantern
But again
narrow folio
Is it just how pathing works?
obsidian venture
yes
rare grotto
but yeah the point was moreso to point out how u can just bring up something unrelated and derail conv
obsidian venture
I don't know how folks went to school and couldn't understand that
hard axle
Not having a grindable way to sustain them over rng drops is bad design for a game mode about self sustain
Runecrafting existed but you were mad about not getting enough per hour 
Like it's geniunely insane
even if they added 50 dragon arrows per hour, you would still be mad
obsidian venture
I don't know what other english I need to use
but who knows, maybe in a few days they censor more words
rare grotto
he needs dragon arrows for bowfa u wouldn't get it
true talon
> Not having a grindable way to sustain them over rng drops is bad design for a ...
Never said anything about runes since scar ess
true talon
even if they added 50 dragon arrows per hour, you would still be mad
Ya because ameythst is over 1500 an hour lol
chrome lantern
I play iron and I voted against scar
hard axle
Ya because ameythst is over 1500 an hour lol
and how many arrows do you actually break per hour
it's nowhere near 1500
you want 1 hour of effort per 10+ hours of use
true talon
I play iron and I voted against scar
Why, it allows you to avoid shopscape and actually does make you go runecraft.
chrome lantern
Pretending like scar is actually just rc is self delusion
It's just a shop without hopping
warm storm
scar is a great update. the other option is shop hopping
narrow folio
And is buying from shops and hopping for hours good gameplay?
warm storm
Pretending like scar is actually just rc is self delusion
u still need the rc lvl
chrome lantern
No but one bad solution for another isn't the way you fix issues
obsidian venture
And is buying from shops and hopping for hours good gameplay?
I don't believe this is either
rare grotto
this is why ironman mode was such a mistake, u end up having to make content specifically so irons can play like a bronzeman/main
obsidian venture
They should have just buffed original rc rates
rare grotto
especially modern iron
narrow folio
They released the outfit which in fact did
obsidian venture
Right but it should have done it mroe
chrome lantern
Crazy thing is that bloods are already over 10k/hr
obsidian venture
more
chrome lantern
And people still complain
obsidian venture
But to make an update JUST for irons rc complaints is wild
warm storm
true bloods are good. when true souls
obsidian venture
Hence why I liked gotr
chrome lantern
Sure but that's more of an issue of completing RC than fixing shops
narrow folio
I think buffing rates by 60% and it still being complained about is wild
warm storm
lol
chrome lantern
You don't have to worry about runes for a long while
warm storm
ur such an epic gamer
narrow folio
I agree modern ironman has been watered down in difficulty a lot
obsidian venture
It's funny too because the community then, would have voted no on most things now
Because they liked the grind
as cancer as some things were
narrow folio
The crowd got more casual as it became more mainstream
obsidian venture
which relates to my earlier points where some qol changes were absolutey needed
narrow folio
qol and watering down difficulty go hand in hand these days
obsidian venture
whereas other stuff wasn't because it either took away from the grind, or changed it to easier with low downsides
I would have made an iron but I had more interest in endgame pvm as a main
Also again: bad mg was MTA
good change was kq shortcut changes
rare grotto
qol and watering down difficulty go hand in hand these days
my issue with this is that there's seemingly no end to this. People endlessly ask for buffs (disguised as QoL)
obsidian venture
funnily enough, I got elite diaries and they changed it 2 weeks after
but I didn't mind because it was annoying to get 2 ropes every time
my rope alt hoarder is now in shambles
that is a good qol change
hard axle
scar is a great update. the other option is shop hopping
shopscape shouldn't even exist since irons "self sustain" ngl
seems like a cop-out when players literally have a way to make runes
but just want to psuedo-ge
rare grotto
but just want to psuedo-ge
hard axle
corrected the "you" since i dont mean you
warm storm
shops are part of the game and always have been
hard axle
and they don't fit into the mode of iron at all
obsidian venture
corrected the "you" since i dont mean you
apparently responding to comments directly affects the user saying it
warm storm
sure 👍
rare grotto
weren't shops there before GE?
hard axle
i've seen folks unironically ask for death coffer funds to allow this
which would sacrifice items at ge prices and use coffer to buy supplies 
tawny tide
shopscape shouldn't even exist since irons "self sustain" ngl
Shopscape should be buffed .
The fun part about being an iron isn’t making all of your own arrows, it’s that you have to work toward the accomplishment of reaching a goal that a main could attain much easier via the GE. It would be silly if you could buy antifires from a shop. It’s not silly you can buy death runes.
Y’all think having an iron is about some sort of superiority complex when it’s actually that it’s juts legit fun and it’s okay to want to have small changes to repair the things that just aren’t fun at all.
But whatever if death rune packs never come it is what it is because like @chrome lantern said just train RC and you’ll never have a rune problem.
hard axle
Shopscape should be buffed .
The fun part about being an iron isn’t making all...
It would be fine if it was just having fun to do stuff yourself, but we have a very vocal bunch that behave like irons are superior and mains are inferior because you do everything yourself and then rely on shopscape/scar essence, acting like pet hunters and cloggers don't exist and do functionally the same thing.
I think being able to buy, and is the meta method, death runes when you have a skill for it already defeats the purpose, especially when the meta rate is to just convert gp to runes and when "gpscape" is what they often claim to be avoiding in the first place 
If you want to play an iron or do something for fun, be my guest.
tawny tide
But there’s only shitty slow ways to get death runes. It doesn’t defeat the purpose at all. The purpose is to experience getting drops for yourself more than it is to grind the same things you’re going to need a lot of forever.
I wish deaths were as easy as bloods.
I’d say if it only lets you buy combat stats, it should be shoppable.
You shouldn’t be able to buy irits or anything.
warm storm
we are playing a video game big dog. do what's fun, it's what everyone else is doing who isn't 
away on discord. idk where these smug superior irons are
warm storm
ok so be pissed at that person in particular?
tawny tide
we are playing a video game big dog. do what's fun, it's what everyone else is d...
One or two bad actors everyone bases their opinion off of when we’re just hanging out being cool lol
warm storm
it's not the systemic issue you're trying to make it
obsidian venture
Have to respect them
true talon
>tass
What? I said iron is fun and better than mainscape I never claim it to be superior or look down on mains. It’s a game play how you want.
obsidian venture
One or two bad actors everyone bases their opinion off of when we’re just hangin...
Blaming entire groups is always bad
hard axle
mfer, you say this all the time
true talon
I do not
hard axle
Tass does grind, which I'll admit is better than most of the other ones, since most of the other ones are disgruntled former mains that never reached cox and rebuilt a med level iron
tawny tide
If I UIM comes to me and says “you didn’t play the real game because you had a bank” id literally be like “aight cool that’s not for me tho”
hard axle
Yeah, only time I generally impose shit on other game modes is when changes that benefit them negatively benefit us
obsidian venture
That’s fine
tawny tide
But mains get weirdly insecure lol
hard axle
Funny thing is I do have irons 
tawny tide
Funny thing is I do have irons <:xdd:1303456314135154859>
And yall always say this 😭
warm storm
It would be fine if it was just having fun to do stuff yourself, but we have a v...
if you can't see the difference between buying runes and literally every tradable item in the game idk what to tell you really
hard axle
And yall always say this 😭
tawny tide
It’s like thinking you can make French jokes by saying “My butler is French”
hard axle
my friend is fren-
tawny tide
I’m totally kidding yall can make jokes lmao
hard axle
90% of the time, I shrug my arms cuz stuff doesn't matter too much
obsidian venture
Just not here or osrs chat
You can also bait in this chat but can’t in #old-school
true talon
Yeah, only time I generally impose shit on other game modes is when changes that...
Name a time this has been true
hard axle
other 10% of the time I throw a fit because it's not good for me and then you have folks say "lmao, just deal with it"
hard axle
Name a time this has been true
bro, u started shit with me about oathplate shards not being untradeable
obsidian venture
🤣🤣🤣
true talon
bro, u started shit with me about oathplate shards not being untradeable
I want them to be untradeable lol
tawny tide
You can also bait in this chat but can’t in <#431834766325841920>
I’m baiting for sure
hard axle
You literally
true talon
As do you
hard axle
fucking
obsidian venture
I’m baiting for sure
Oof…
hard axle
tawny tide
We are arguing a straw man argument levi truly made up in his brain.
warm storm
there are some people playing irons who should have rolled a main, no doubt. i'm sure they have questionable suggestions
i honestly don't recommend iron for most people who don't have a lot of experience with the game or enjoy grinding
vivid ruin
Irons are definitely for a specific breed of people lol
tawny tide
Or don’t worry enjoy being better than everyone else
hard axle
Irons are definitely for a specific breed of people lol
lategame irons are definitely for a specific breed of people
I feel like early-midgame irons are accessible enough
earnest marsh
ye, dont start an iron, if you just wanna play late game
obsidian venture
Ah
vivid ruin
I feel like early-midgame irons are accessible enough
But then it comes to an end
hard axle
But then it comes to an end
which is where a lot of people quit anyway
true talon
lategame irons are definitely for a specific breed of people
Yes late game iron is fucking terrible, but that’s mainly because late game is terrible in general
tawny tide
I enjoy killing the things and smacking the things
obsidian venture
Almost like they focus on midgame
vivid ruin
which is where a lot of people quit anyway
No one quits. Tis a rule of nature 
obsidian venture
Wow?!
fair comet
true talon
You just take breaks or wait for jagex to make things better
tawny tide
The obsession with getting to the next thing as quick as possible like, go play something else
warm storm
Yes late game iron is fucking terrible, but that’s mainly because late game is t...
i like it but i'm a special breed (the breed is autism)
earnest marsh
i mean, the game isnt really designed to play after you hit megarare dropo table
tawny tide
i like it but i'm a special breed (the breed is autism)
Hell yes.
I’m undiagnosed but my proof is that I’m an iron.
earnest marsh
but 3k hours to get to late game, seems like a decent game
tawny tide
but 3k hours to get to late game, seems like a decent game
It’s been an awesome journey I started in 2021
obsidian venture
I mean if you like grinds, it’s fine
tawny tide
4 years later I get to play RuneScape
fair comet
The obsession with getting to the next thing as quick as possible like, go play ...
I haven’t read up, don’t really know what everyone is talking about. But I don’t see why you have a problem with people playing the game how they want to play.
obsidian venture
Played mostly single player stuff before this
But speeds in this game for me surprises that itch
It’s interesting to play near-perfect or perfect with a sprinkle of rng
true talon
No1 has an issue, but at same time you can’t hold the game back, because you feel it’s making your past grinds easier
tawny tide
I haven’t read up, don’t really know what everyone is talking about. But I don’t...
I don’t
obsidian venture
Other games speedruns uses glitches to bypass
tawny tide
I’m saying play something different if you don’t like the slow endgame progression
obsidian venture
Truly a test of if you got hands
earnest marsh
ye, this iron i made now, i just do most skilling before pvm 😮
skilling is the real game
its a shame, that most skills dont have good progression system
hard axle
I haven’t read up, don’t really know what everyone is talking about. But I don’t...
if you aren't asking for advice, do you what you want. ignore the commentators.
obsidian venture
And if I didn’t like it I compared max eff skilling to afk skilling
hard axle
It's only ever an issue when people start saying that's easy or cheese without actually doing it yourself 
obsidian venture
Buyables I did the best method if I had gp, others I afked
hard axle
it's like the one guy who insisted on doing a <100 combat infernal cape as his first cape
and then quit because "they nerfed bp"
obsidian venture
It's only ever an issue when people start saying that's easy or cheese without a...
I know someone who took my comment which was strictly about pvm outta context
But folks comments too much when they haven’t done the content itself
Have opinions sure. Dont argue what you haven’t experienced, pvm wise
earnest marsh
i got shadow
sponned,then i had hard time doing any pvm haha, felt like i finished the game
obsidian venture
Happens
hard axle
i got shadow
legitimately the best mega to spoon early on
obsidian venture
One thing about folks getting into pvm or learning, is to simply accept that you will die many times
That’s the first step
2nd step if you care to get better, is to step back and review why. Doesn’t need to be in depth if you don’t have aspirational goals
3rd step is to learn how to take breaks and get back into it with a fresh mindset
Majority of pvmers can’t get past step 1
Hence why the endgame pvm scene has folks trickle in slowly
(You don’t need to be tick perfect or that good)
Biggest factor for folks is mindset
And many pvmers and folks I’ve taught over the years has a cooked mindset
earnest marsh
Happens
i had alot of grind left for sure, but how do people play after they finish like all bis
obsidian venture
Easy, I’ve been in that boat for a few years now
tacit wharf
cloggin
obsidian venture
Either you clog, pet hunt, pbs
Or if really bored, aspirational self imposed challenges
tacit wharf
like one chunks
obsidian venture
They usually have a longevity factor
obsidian venture
like one chunks
Well moreso stuff like no pillar inferno but sure this also would count ye
hard axle
i had alot of grind left for sure, but how do people play after they finish like...
Main reason that I don't like the Baba 0 damage changes is simply because it doesn't adjust the boss fairly.
They could've made baba have a mage/range attack too so you had to flick and then make it 0 damage, but instead it's just melee only and 0 damage if you kill baboon fast enough (which should max hit).
tacit wharf
Well moreso stuff like no pillar inferno but sure this also would count ye
i will even go as far as uims
hard axle
But since they are making purple rates worse, I guess this overall helps with it.
obsidian venture
Yes actually
Extends the grind and game time by a decent amount
I had a chart last year for eff gameplay
hard axle
oops, meant to respond to bane in that comment
earnest marsh
Main reason that I don't like the Baba 0 damage changes is simply because it doe...
true, its kinda ezyscape now
obsidian venture
And funnily enough, there wasn’t much of a gap between mains/irons/uims
hard axle
at the endgame, not at all
obsidian venture
i wish maybe every 20%, he jumps up now
No
But they could have made it interesting
It’s just a limited room
With the boring invos
Only interesting one is maybe boulderdash???
earnest marsh
honestly im so hyped about slayer rework
everything else rest of the year can just go thrashcan haha
and skilling changes
tawny tide
honestly im so hyped about slayer rework
Hard agree
obsidian venture
Was that this Wednesday
tawny tide
everything else rest of the year can just go thrashcan haha
Not with this though lol excited for Varlamore 3
tawny tide
Was that this Wednesday
Not until July smh
obsidian venture
Oh
earnest marsh
Not with this though lol excited for Varlamore 3
idk, fletching game is kinda dead alredy, its such a insanly fast skill, so going out of your way to do a minigame for some very minor qol changes, that mostly just effect bots
is pretty sad
dwelve boss sems interesting
earnest marsh
new crab boss and new slayer dugneon seems interesting tho
earnest marsh
hopefully i can do crab boss isntead of gem mining🫡
hard axle
idk, fletching game is kinda dead alredy, its such a insanly fast skill, so goin...
I like how Giants Foundry offered an alternative way to process resources, while still being good XP
earnest marsh
I like how Giants Foundry offered an alternative way to process resources, while...
ye, smithing is not multiskill
hard axle
I still think they really should consider redoing drops as a whole
obsidian venture
Yes
earnest marsh
agree totally!
obsidian venture
Would not mind
hard axle
it would fix a lot of dupe issues that irons have
while not hurting mains too much aside from making uniques slightly more common initially
just for the love of god, do not repeat oathplate shards 
obsidian venture
Should have been untradeable 🥱
hard axle
still should be 
obsidian venture
Would have considerably kept the value up
earnest marsh
what about jagex bots
earnest marsh
how will they earn money then
obsidian venture
nvm
earnest marsh
they gotta make content for a big % of playerbase no?
right
bots probly the ebst paying customers to jagex
obsidian venture
they gotta make content for a big % of playerbase no?
they always do
hence why midgame is so vast
earnest marsh
true
obsidian venture
Gnome cooked up another video
Very odd person
Wants challenging content but mocks folks who like engaging methods
How does that work?
earnest marsh
stupidity its called i believe
earnest marsh
ye, i mean, last 3 years, i begged jagex to do any reblance to old content
or maybe last 5 years
idk
and guess what, project rebalance was a huge hit
wispy current
I thought most people liked the new toa changes why r so many people here upset now
obsidian venture
good amount has
obsidian venture
I thought most people liked the new toa changes why r so many people here upset ...
few really
earnest marsh
i like the new changes
obsidian venture
but tldr they're making a boss afk
earnest marsh
new full deposit box on toa is intersting
obsidian venture
so now toa, while being long, is now afk sim in zeb/baba
so it made it more boring
earnest marsh
bowfa akkha butterfly
earnest marsh
ye i agree
obsidian venture
at least with the rough calcs I've seen
rain fulcrum
Why not just delete baba entirely at this point
obsidian venture
yes
rain fulcrum
wispy current
But shouldnt it not be balanced around an unintended method for how baba was meant to be done
obsidian venture
which?
rain fulcrum
What's wrong with methods being unintended
wispy current
I dont see why baba shouls be balanced around red x
obsidian venture
It isn't
hard axle
it's not 
obsidian venture
Why do you think it is?
wispy current
Theyre not removing red x right?
obsidian venture
No
earnest marsh
in my eyes, i wish they could made all rooms theyere own boss outside raids
obsidian venture
So again, how is it balanced around red-x
obsidian venture
You can red-x but it's not needed
If it's needed you either are bad or don't know how to set yourself up near boulders/sarcos
hard axle
I would've rather they added mage/range hits to balance the fact that there's no chip damage now
wispy current
All theyre doing is making it less rng
obsidian venture
No
It's little rng as is
Is the point
Hence it's skill issue as I said above
rain fulcrum
They literally making baba have no threat to kill you whatsoever
wispy current
You can play baba perfectly and still need to brew which shouldnt be the case
obsidian venture
and I've done 500s with a f torso lmao
rain fulcrum
Baba is now a giant mole tier boss
rain fulcrum
You can play baba perfectly and still need to brew which shouldnt be the case
What's wrong with that
obsidian venture
Brewing is ok
Supplies are meant to be used?
Or am I looking at the pretty colors in my inv
I brew at baba if needed and divine back up
wispy current
I mean from my perspective i dont think u should have to brew at baba
obsidian venture
Well you don't if you do the skill expression method or do lower invos
rain fulcrum
you have to brew
obsidian venture
That's a pretty ie statement
rain fulcrum
nerf verzik too
obsidian venture
Should bosses all be no damage
rain fulcrum
nerf the nylo boss
wispy current
The intended mechanics make it a simple boss and playing it well u shouldnt have to brew when theres much harder rooms
earnest marsh
the only thing with toa, si that its so insaly long raid
obsidian venture
yes
earnest marsh
if you want purples
wispy current
Idk it feels like ur punished for doing it right
obsidian venture
What does doing it right mean
earnest marsh
with server been so dogshit lately
obsidian venture
oh no I have to brew in a boss room
I'm on my 1 brew locked account
is what it sounds like you're saying
wispy current
I dont mind brewing on harder rooms when i make mistakes
obsidian venture
You can facetank pray melee on baba and live
wispy current
Not fair to interqct with the mechanics perfectly and have to use supplies that can be used elsewhere
obsidian venture
What's the part that fascinates you
hard axle
as long as the damage isn't excessive, it's fine imo
rare grotto
Baba is now a giant mole tier boss
gonna 5:1 giant mole just to feel something
obsidian venture
🔥
wispy current
It is excessive tho
obsidian venture
It's not
hard axle
0 chip damage means the boss has to one shot you or near one shot
obsidian venture
Again it's only excessive if you're bad
wispy current
If u have to use brew when u make no mistakes it is
obsidian venture
which means you have to work on clicking protect melee
vivid ruin
0 chip damage means the boss has to one shot you or near one shot
They said they're making bananas 3x3
rare grotto
If u have to use brew when u make no mistakes it is
olm says hi
obsidian venture
make sure to click it once
obsidian venture
yeah like
wispy current
U dont need to brew in tob tho
obsidian venture
oh my
rain fulcrum
what?
wispy current
If you play well do u ever really need to brew?
rare grotto
verzik hits through prayer so yes
obsidian venture
Not worth engaging
rain fulcrum
lol
obsidian venture
Waste of time
rain fulcrum
just bring 10 sharks bro
rare grotto
there are tob guides specifically to teach how to brew scb at verz since u need it
hard axle
you brew-scb
the projectiles are so slow that if she had no chip damage, the boss would be too easy
and she has a bunch of true damage attacks
you don't need many brews, but you do need them
wispy current
My thing is ur barely bringing many supplies into toa. And to use them early in the raid in an easy room feels bad
hard axle
hope this clarifies it
obsidian venture
My thing is ur barely bringing many supplies into toa. And to use them early in ...
tob you bring in no restore, 1 angler
if you're human
so again you're saying nothing besides "I'm bad and I need catering"
In non od raids I bring in 2b/4 r and I still have them at wardens when I exit
supplies are a non issue
Don't even need to flick
wispy current
How does “im playing baba perfectly” sound like im bad to you?
rare grotto
obsidian venture
Because if you are, you'll maybe use a brew sip or 2 tops if no red x or 5:1
and that shouldn't affect other rooms minus akkha
kephri/zebak no dmg basically
akkha is dmg if you don't bfly
vivid ruin
Keris = 0 brews
light token
are the duke prep changes coming in next weeks update?
obsidian venture
this week
wispy current
I cant tell u how many times ive gone into baba room with 99+ hp and had to full brew from 0 mistakes
obsidian venture
^
hard axle
yellow keris is a great equalizer imo
wispy current
Theres very few mistakes u can make lol
hard axle
even as a backup
wispy current
Stand next to rock
hard axle
well
obsidian venture
yet you're chugging a brew
hard axle
run into boulder
wispy current
Its not hard
obsidian venture
You can even bp spec a boulder if down bad
rare grotto
ppl just don't know how bad they are wcyd
better to blame the game instead of thinking how can i play better
obsidian venture
avg mindset
rare grotto
fact that ppl do baba without brewing up consistently should make u question ur own ability
wispy current
I mean if ur just gonna call me a liar i dont see the point of this convo
rare grotto
when did i call u a liar lmao
obsidian venture
Because it's been solved already wws
If you need to drink a lot of supplies, it means you're playing poorly
rare grotto
it's just disingenuous to say u played x perfectly when ppl make plenty mistakes
unless u think playing perfectly means just praying melee prot and griefing everything else
and again, i can do baba right now and not face any of these issues u guys are facing
am i getting lucky or what
wispy current
Have u guys ever done baba without red x and blood moons?
wispy current
And never had to brew?
obsidian venture
I brewed
rare grotto
tuanbly give me ur toa setup and invo and i will murder baba
hard axle
And never had to brew?
they're trying to say to just brew 
obsidian venture
but that didn't affect the rest of my raid
hard axle
they're not saying you never to brew iirc
obsidian venture
like you're implying
wispy current
See thats what i mean im ok with brewing when i make a mistake to a hard boss but brewing to an easy boss cuz rng feels bad
Yes or no
Just tell me if that sounds wrong to u
obsidian venture
and btw that was before they updated baba
hard axle
in the odd instance that you have to brew because he passes your tankiness
obsidian venture
so baba did abuse you
hard axle
and blood fury didn't work
obsidian venture
now content creators parrot brainrot
hard axle
then you might have to brew or keris yes
rare grotto
it is wrong because so many bosses in this game hit through prayer (even though thats not a mistake)
hard axle
See thats what i mean im ok with brewing when i make a mistake to a hard boss bu...
I think they can adjust this tbh
rare grotto
like do u just want bosses to not hit anything or what
hard axle
make him more accurate, but less damage
obsidian venture
He wants to use supplies at other rooms @rare grotto
rare grotto
baba is even more faceroll because it's just camp melee prot
obsidian venture
no red x, no 5:1
hard axle
but outright removing the damage seems off
obsidian venture
prot melee, path to boulder
rinse and repeat
down bad brew
down bad you can red x
down bad you can bp spec boulder
down bad you can keris
what else
rare grotto
yeah i know thats what ppl want but why would u want to fight giant mole
wispy current
I wouldnt be mad if baba was the hardest room in the raid but i would rather save brews for the hard shit like akkha enrage etc
rare grotto
like bosses should be able to kill you no
obsidian venture
it's OK to use supplies
akkha enrage is literally use your eyes
you can go into entry
no death invos on
wispy current
U cant argue that its easier than baba
obsidian venture
and practice walking around the room
it's easier to not get hit if you aren't maxing dps
sometimes if I have to carry, I will lose ticks and I will not take dmg
wispy current
Its harder than baba. Thats my point
small anvil
0 chip on baba is silly, its basically an afk room after changes
like if they think the high end is a bit much they could tone down the max through prayer
wispy current
Im not saying it should be zero damage btw
obsidian venture
you just not wanting to use supplies is silly imo
wispy current
Just dont force me to brew in the first room of the raid when theres much harder shit coming up
obsidian venture
when you can learn how to be better
and yes there's a way
but ofc hidden because content creators are ie
wispy current
I use supplies at the harder rooms man thats my whole point ?? Lol
obsidian venture
learn to 5:1
wispy current
R u even reading what im saying
small anvil
were you doing 5:1?
obsidian venture
ofc he wasn't
wispy current
Even rat can admit that i kind of have a point
obsidian venture
rat?
wispy current
Leviathan orb
hard axle
I don't think he's entirely wrong cuz I wanted baba to have flickable range/mage pray in lieu of melee-only
basically a buffed version of scurrius
wispy current
Im not saying it should be zero damage at all
obsidian venture
right but that's not the discussion
obsidian venture
is using supplies bad @hard axle
small anvil
yeah
hard axle
is using supplies bad <@213072072472133633>
no, and i believe he's said he's fine with it if the boss is appropriate for it
wispy current
Using supplies at baba is bad
small anvil
i mean using supplies in the raid that gives you supplies for the later rooms is ok
hard axle
which is why im saying baba should be made harder
earnest marsh
useing supllies ever is bad 😛
hard axle
mechanically
obsidian venture
you literally go power into life
if you're supplies can't last 4 rooms seek lower invos
hard axle
no matter what, we have to consume supplies or you kill 2+ production skills
wispy current
I use supplies guys
earnest marsh
ye i wonder if its wroth staying at 300 now with hasta
earnest marsh
for faster raids and the new gem
obsidian venture
i mean they're nerfing akkha enrage too btw bte