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Actually there's a lot more of them now than when I looked at it before
id argue that hunter was a bad skill thats now made better by different devs
ye
birdhouses kinda broke hunter
making more means less?
only when you do it wrong
ye most new stuff is done wrong
give examples
how so? lots of new content incentivices doing the old content
like moons incentiviced doing barrows
made barrows less dead
ye i dont know much about mains methods
but bowfa just destroyed most midgame content for ironmans
yeah, imo its better to not think too hard about mains
oh, bowfa absolutely.
but a few bad examples doesnt mean they arnt more good examples than bad
?
the moons and rumours examples we gave are both good for ironmen probably more than mains
but i do agree about bowfa
going for moons? ye sure delay bowfa for no reason and get a bow that has toxic upkeep
i also dont think peak optimal efficiency is a good argument
im avoiding bowfa rushing so i can actually experience midgame
peak optimal efficiency is always going to be extremely flawed
because it by definition its going to skip everything it can for the sake of it
i dont think it is.
i honestly think the biggest thing there is to make something in between
but at the same time casual players wont bowfa rush anyways
like i hate going to get more amethys or arrows
so i think bowfa is a good option to keep around
i could have, but that would mean skipping most content, which is the entire point of me playing
thers enoguh content in the game
(i also hate cg, even if i have a near 100% success rate)
most people dont even reach cg
but that also doesnt mean we cant have more
the game would die in a year if they stopped updating though
ye i dint mean liek that
what did you mean?
but like 99,99% of people arent going to finish nightmare nex cox
varlamore pt 3 will let you craft atlatl darts
which i think is good
yee, have you seen the meohod?
its probably aids
yep
but if its hated, they might ease that
its so aids
how did you see it?
thats fine. i expect if its hated enough, they'll change it
we have a description of it only
it does sound kinda bad
go to the blog
i thought the description was cool. seemed more like a hunter thing than a fletching thing tho
by the sounds of the method there, you need to walk a lot
hmm.. what does it sound like.. sorry, im sick, memory sucks
it sounds worse than mixo
like, a lot worse.
but idk, most people likes to mine amethys arrows
even pvm rune arrows is more dps
alot more
but like idk, project reblance was so psoetive from players
i dont mind them going harder into old content
to make adjustment, adding uniqes or similar things
like elemental runecrafting ๐
nahh, ruencrafting shouldnt be to make runes, only if you buy some private server essence
also lets not fix world hopping
everyone lieks world hopping for shops right?
buying essence thing wasnt relaly to make runes.
it was a solution to shopscape only
it still sucks for soul runes though
ye ik, but were going to make private server stuff to fix shopping, or just increase the quanity on items instead by alot?
actually, astrals
idr
there will always be better solutions, devs cant be perfect
but its not bad
i mean, people have said 10 years to just increase shop stocks
and they listen to the community?
that might not actually help though
because people will still buy them out
actually, it will help. i mean it wont solve it
just make
the shops
everyone has theyere own stock shop
shops kinda havent changed right? but we have gotten alot more players
sure, could do, but then we'd still need to do shopscape
make em infinite as well?
thats a lot of things to try and sovle something the essence did just as well as
with other negatives
yeah, i agree.
i think its not a bad solution either
but i think they are pretty close in effectiveness/drawbacks
like i dont wanna plan my day for when i should buy stuff
i can honestly say ive never done that, and its been fine xD
and i just bought 10k astrals for plankmake
was pretty aids, but its fine
boguht some cosmic from mage traing arena
as priff is very late
ye gl
on peak time
yeah, thats why runes exist
what you mean?
i mean the ess
i dont think anyone would complain anymore if everyone had theyre own shop
ye idk how hard is it to implent that
but since its a pretty big game mechanic and its java
maybe its to much hazzle
it might even be that much of a hassle
but also minor benefit because ess exists
they did make ironman shops
one big thing that might be controversial
is that they should design most things around ironman
ye but its a long raod before you have acces to ess
it would make the game better as a whole, because the progression would be almost certianly great.
go use scar mine
dont do it because of ironman. its just that a lot of ironman qualities allign with making the game itself better.
is this coming from a main or an iron
like essence cost alot if your going to craft soul runes for exmaple
cuz either u have
- ge for mains
- scar ess for irons
cant craft the runes on yr iron, go train rc
whole point of an iron
sure, lets just do some ass method to get runes
i could not possibly disagree more with this statement
it's the tail wagging the dog
i do not want that at all
all non pvm non iron content design is most likely just getting botted anyways
i do not want dry protection for every piece of content because an iron doesn't want to go dry, i don't want items used to charge things nerfed (recently, aether runes for oathplate) because irons don't want to gather things
it's a challenging game mode, and that's fine
but i don't want the real game weakened over and over to address iron concerns
u have craft runes naturally or gotr or zeah
xD, lets go and make some fire runes with rc xD
i mean sure, u do need plenty of fires on an iron
its like saying you should go and mine coal
i don't want the identity of each new piece of gear to be lessed lessened until everything is interchangable because irons want to be able to break everything down and turn it into other pieces in case they go dry, and on and on
isntead of just getting it tro pvm or shop in bf
because not everything should come through pvm
who mines coal rocks
then come up with a non-"shit" method to train rc in #1022203837265756231
u might be able to apperciate new things though and work up to it
Ye true
like royal titans was really nice imo and made things a bit easier for me atleast
Havent done Titans yet, but how so?
calcfied rocks is only reason i got big mining lvl
new prayers are nice
cuz getting rigour can take forever
Ye vm was nice, only reason i got high mining level
Its a bit shame tho that vm have so bad rewards other then xp
But i cant complain
Fertile soil is nice
Hcim?
i just prefered afking it over shooting stars
my friend just got osmunten fang and put it on ge for standard price and it sold for 13m while active price is 23m is this some issue with item sink being prioritized over highest buy offer?
Sounds like there was not enough competitive buy offers at the time, unfortunately. This is why blindly selling for GE price or -5% or -10% to sell quickly is not advisable. ๐ญ
this was standard ge price. seems like game is prioritizing item sink default ge price than active price. we are not talking about -5% here this is impossible that no buy offer was made over 20m
Yeah the GE price is way off though
Itโs really not. People are often very cautious of leaving buy offers in for items with high volatility (which fang definitely is atm).
Itโs an unfortunate situation, but in the end your friend should not have listed the item at a price they werenโt willing to accept for it.
i dont think this was bought by a human. there is no history on active ge graph that any fang was purchased for 13m in the past hour
i just think item sink is prioritized over active prices which is crazy
Yes, this can happen.
Have your friend use Flipping Utilities for the most accurate buy and sell prices from this point forward
Saves me a lot of money. And I flip a lot with it too
If he sold for 13m it'd also show on the GE as a sale on his end
The "buy" and "sell" prices are both independently tracked by the wiki
There's not a record of a 13m buy nor a 13m sale
the price trackers dont show any prices of a 13m sale tbf
but they dont always capture every sale
If he's on Runelite it tracks everything
That's how the guy who sold a bgs for 13k proved he did it
like there's no indication there was a collapse of buy offers
so i'd be inclined to think a bug is possible
i do see artifacts on the GE tracker that make me go HUH?
There was an hour where 67 low price offers sold
Way outside the normal amount
I'd say F for putting in the price at 13m, very likely the GE was sinking the item at that moment and it bought out all fangs that were active at that moment
Not necessarily a bug but you put sale offer in for 13m and got 13m because GE goes "ok this guy's selling it for 13m"
Im sort of curious as to how i got timed out 24 hours ago from calling a troll a troll ๐
Slinging insults back and forth helps no one and is against the rules. If someone's trolling report them.
I didnt insult anyone. I simply called someone a troll (which is the truth), questioned why people were responding, and that was it. This person has been trolling this chat for months. I just hope i wasnt singled out and the troll also got punished
Calling someone a troll is defamatory and against the rules
If someone has an opinion you don't agree with or doing something unconventional, that is not necessarily a troll. Even if it was, insulting someone like that is not ok.
They've actually said that it's why you DON'T sell at 1 gp because if it happens to be the item that they are deleting for GE tax, they will remove it at the price YOU put it at.
Let me find it 
welp guess no more calling the hlc sweaty
๐ i feel like i got targeted and ive seen far worse here
It can have different contexts so that's not necessarily against the rules but if you're engaging in targeted attacks against another user, that's different
so as long as i dont specify exactly who im talking about, then its find "love it when little timmy pipes up"
If you have to ask, most of the time you shouldn't
Be constructive in your discussions and step away if you're down to calling someone names
The person who is labeled a troll by quite literally everyone who makes disgussion here is never being constructive and always here to complain about yama or something he doesnt even have any kc for
Im actually impressed that he hasnt said a word today
I've added said person to my ignore
If you report it, the team will take a look
Good call
don't engage with someone that is clearly baiting
Otherwise you're free to not engage
A lot of times I say my piece and leave the discussion and that's fine
I generally try to just give feed back on normal disgussion, but he always interrupts with his complaints. And will write paragraphs about the same thing multiple times a day
But i will block
important to focus on things that bring you life. If someone isn't adding value - do what's in your control
said person does kind of flood the chat though, with radical opinions specifically to get a reaction
kind of hard to ignore that
i know exactly who you're talking about and yeah block is best
sorry to bring the conversion further, but its seemingly the whole reason the comments are being made, so someone does say something and gets banned, whiuch is funnily enough, working
I understand but that doesn't excuse others to break rules just because they were goaded into it
thats true, however it does seem like mods do nothing about it, as these people are habiutual line steppers, stop when warned, the continue the second you're gone, or a day later or something
are we talking about the yama situation
no, but i dont really want to name the person, because thats going to be witch hunting and i might get banned -.-
I agree, I have said person blocked but I don't understand why mods have done nothing about them. They often talk so much that half my messages on here just say blocked
mods generally dont do anything. people like this know exactly the barrier of rules by experience, and step just behind that line
i have to agree honestly which is weird to say because a bunch of people got banned that probably didn't really need to get banned but
usually when you get a chat troll its all you see for like
days on days
and nothing happens
See im not alone lol
@narrow folio would it be possible we we do report someone and action is taken to have some communication of what was done?
it just is what it is
#FreePraiseTheSun
Im just curious if the rule is: whoever reports whoever first mutes the other person first lol
i get it though you dont want to like be too trigger happy but yeah specifically chat trolls are obvious and they usually run wild for days if not forever
Its almost sort of against my personality to go off reporting people. I dont even know how to use mod chat
Modmail
It's pretty sad here that everyone knows the situation
We don't give feedback on what was done to another user
You send the user modmail a direct message
Ohhh
its kind of the problem with volunteer mods really. they dont get paid, so cant be expected to put in the time to learn and see this behavior, and they do the best they can
Yeah true
Nah it's more that the mods are not pulled from most of the server regulars
idk how being a mod actually works it could just be that they have rules that prevent them from addressing the obviously bad faith conversations
potentially.
I must admit I have not read tos. Is intentionally trolling not against tos?
Cuz the regulars kinda have been annoyed at the moderation
If we don't know if reporting actually does anything do we then turn a blind eye?
The relevant line is that moderators have permission to remove stuff they consider "edgy or baiting" at their discretion
I may learn how to modmail if i continue seeing what ive been seeing in regards to this individual. Its been surprisingly quiet today
Maybe they got canned, we can only hope
maybe someone is biting in a different channel constantly
Im pretty sure it is. Rule 3, the same rule that i was muted for
i mean even trolling isn't that bad if its in moderation but yeah its wild when they take over for a week lol
highly recommend using it
at this point i send so many modmails i'll bet the server staff gets worried if they don't get one from me for a couple days
be sending a wellness check
Will do. Pretty sure this person reporting me is why i got muted in the first place
i actually forget we're even supposed to get a scopia unique it's been so long
makes sense though, every time they try and do anything people act like crazy people to prevent it
its fair enough to reject something thats bad, but its the way you do it
well, id reject wildy ovls
So now we get nothing
probably will stay that way for a while
jagex really need a way of actually gauging what the pvp community itself wants
I really wouldn't want to be attacked by an overloaded pker but for pvm would be sweet
Or, hear me out, instead of giving up because one thing did not work out, we try again!
which is hard when they are fairly toxic to each other
problem i have with that is that the game everywhere isnt balanced around having ovls.,
so why throw them on just to make wildy faster?
the justification should be the same everywhere
They do that with all non wildy updates soo
did you see the public reaction though?
Rip chivalry
Ahh sailing getting repolled 99999 times
Don't think I was around then
impossible to talk to people, because the 'no means no' group were so loud
the stream was cluttered with people spamming that over and over, when the devs were just trying to work out what people didnt like, and propose fixes
problem is the rest of the community doesn't give a shit what the pvp wants
irrelevant
they want pkers to be as weak as possible and pvmers to risk close to nothing 
if the devs want to make and cater for pvp, they should have the freedom to do so
pkers just want buffs to kill pvmers more easily
BUT
as long as its not at the cost of the rest of the game/players
if they want pvp overloads all they have to do is put up regular overloads on a poll
if spec pots passed overloads are in easy
certainly a fucking take of all time
we might be ready for pvm ovls in a couple years
if jagex is dense enough to poll it
Power does be creepin
just think about it look at spec pots the design is terrible nobody is having fun
it was insanely broken in pvp
passed
you have people already asking for ovl -50 hp to be removed
and these are folks who aren't maximizing the benefits of ovl
overloads are just a simple buff that shit is going in lol
or just something like divine pots that refresh
its so stupid man
ovl for specific styles
that way the inventory space concerns aren't going to be there
tbh overloads aren't even that broken as long as its a balanced buff number
it doesn't have to be as strong as salts in toa or anything
Something that copies normal Cox Ovls (not the +)
hear me out, ovl are just scp with range and mage pot mix in, and dont refresh yr stats back to max
Brews are balanced around that it removes potion effects
what its really good at is extending trip length
most of our content that we really care about already has overloads
and in the case of tob for example
We would get super ranging and mage pots first, then ovl would release after
you already supercombat brew with divines
so its not like you're losing dps or boost
Hot take, but i think a big part of why people (pvmers, cloggers, etc) hate the wild is because there isnt any sort of honor system. Its quite literally everyone for themselves lol. Ive seen people who've known each other for years end up back stabbing each other in the middle of a hunt and never talk to each other again. All sorts of baiting. Its sort of a messy, just overall dark area that no one wants to add to because the people who primarily occupy the area suck sometimes
thats just the osrs experience
Ehh idk, i hate the mechanic "off peak hours"
i know a guy whos gf left him and cleaned his bank while he was at work
problem is that pvp is that its half the people wanting exclusive items, and the others wanting 'easy' loot
people are just fucked up
If you live in America, you want nothing to do with wildy
Take the house take the kids but don't take my osrs bank ๐ญ
They gotta deal with Europa pkers and America pkers
please do not
Yeah its mostly "pkers" hunting easy loot (pvmers)
this is one of the factors as to WHY mage/range isn't more broken
i mean honestly idk if we should even be worried about that
like
you dont really need to compare range and melee because they don't interact with the same stats on npcs
you would have to make it top up every 30s or 60s
jagex can easily decide which is better whenever they want
to not be broken
I would actually rather the scb+range pot than style overloads
top up = stat refresh
And actually I think it's fine
here's the thing, I think melee ovl wouldn't be broken
at all
We lost an inv slot to surge
its just range/mage that I'm terrified about
would be nice to get it back
because they're so fucking strong at 112
is it mage, or is it just shadow?
Oh I'm assuming if range and mage get ovl
shadow being reworked soon
to some degree
i wouldn't even really be that worried about it because jagex would just respond by changing the content they make
Barrage is sort of busted lol
And just gets the boost effect
One of the many reasons I voted no
its not like they're gonna say well mathematically range is stronger than melee i guess we're screwed
I wish surge restored prayer too
they're just going to put defensive stats on the npcs to make whatever they want to happen happen
To fix this
True
yea this would completely dumpster all other content though ngl
and then you'd have to balance new content around overload powerlevel as opposed to divine power level
Yeah
problem is, would ovls just need another bs boss grind to maintain?
we've had a crazy amount of powercreep in the game as of late ngl
Osrs supposedly tries to resist egregious power creep
Although jagex is getting unhinged
it does but its been 12 years
And players aren't willing to vote no
i think overloads would actively be detrimental to the maingame
it adds up
right now
we're stronger than we were with summoning and overloads in 2011
ik we're already getting the components w whatnot
Its more like "if i vote no, we get no content" instead of "if i vote no, they will try to change it or maybe make something different"
If overloads were added, we'd need new bosses to compensate such a boost. Which would then kill content like gwd already is
that already happened
it's a different environment fwiw
overloads were "necessary" back then because the game was just building chip bosses
osrs is one of those boiling frog analogies
I wonder if we got them if it would be like
The mega rare drop from raids 4 is the overload recipe
we already invaldated everything and made bosses easy mode or whatever
even a refreshing combo pot of all the current divines + heart
Maybe I should not give jagex ideas
would be jacked as fuck
we have gotten a ton of power creep in the time that we've had osrs
Yeah mostly
it's already +2/3 spots
so people look at new things and say oh no it will be different or it wont be hard anymore
and you can sip brew without abandaon every 15s
and we do that all the time to everything lol
people just check out and let it happen slowly not realizing
I still think overloads is pushing it
but the goalpost is always moving
Its fine if we get powercreep from very endgame content
It also straight up deletes an important skill
If you're not raiding, killing nex, nightmare, colo, inferno. You're farming a boss that you can abuse any which way 
yea i think i'll always die on the overloads hill
Like even something just zuk is just totally different don't need to manage your bastion doses
Seems like a negative
tbf idk if you really do a lot of managing there
Sure it might add brewing at 15s
remembering to brew on 15s is probably more effort
the thing is brew-combat right now
It's more like you don't have to worry about running out of doses
is limited doses
Ye, overlord in cox is would be insanly broken outside
you can brew-cmb 4 times, or brew 3+res+cmb and be downbrewed for however n ticks
Brew scb in tob just goes away
in a weird way
I like what we have now with certain raids have overloads
it actually solves a problem jagex is having
Reminder to please give us ruinous powers or ancient curses inside raids 4
jagex is struggling to make bosses that hurt you because people basically hate chip damage because eating isn't fun
and then when they listen to that we go crazy and do raids with like
3 supply slots in our inventory
Hunleff have kinda medium difficulty mechanics
if you had overloads they could comfortably make you eat
And chip damage, and its pain
because you can play around it and not lose dps/feel bad
chip damage wouldnt be so bad if you didnt have to farm the damn think for a few thousand loads of supplies
honestly i think brew-cmb vs brew 3x-res- cmb is a very interesting gameplay interaction
and i think reducing every encounter to brewing on 15s is kinda sad
Chip damage is never fun, but i guess its a needed mechanic
i think its only interesting when it works
like contextually for tob it works because you know you can actually get away with eating and using supercombats like that
but if tob did more damage to you
you just couldn't play that way
inventory not big enough
If tob did more damage you could bring more scbs
And it might be worth the slots honestly
the 3scb era holy
Being potted is fuckin huge
and overloads let you repot for free
one of the most important things about solo cm is brewing on 15
because any time you're under 120 you're actively throwing
and for 15s until it refreshes
like an example of how this would be pretty meta-breaking
would be max eff duo tob
where you go into xarpus with 2dose divine scb each
you basically can't brew
or you will be unpotted the rest of the raid
You just rely on bf for verzik?
brewing on 15 would completely undermine the level of play required to fumble
ideally you don't bf at all (on verz; you can bf swing on crabs for free)
How TF would you not die
cause you lose 50max
With no brew no bf
its probable
i think the game will be actively not as deep because of it
but that's up to jagex discretion on how they balance it

I think super pots for other styles will make balancing easier
It's just natural progression of powercreep
Rn it's hard because melee has an obvious advantage in tob that it can't have in the other two raids
We're going to go all around the gear slots then come to pots
So if we didn't want supers we never should have had mega boosted stats in cox and toa
i think the mega boosted stats in cox and toa are fine, because the raids are balanced around it
tob is obviously balanced around divines
Like how do you make shadow balance compared to melee at both stat levels
WTF even is a salt
its like that stuff athletes sniff
like an ammonia inhalant* or whatnot
no drawbacks haha
crazy
the problem isnt really that shadow is imbalanced.
its that magic cant be balanced till its fixed
The imbued heart problem also needs a fix
100%
jagex really fumbled forgotten brews
devs keep rejecting any idea of rebalancing magic potions though
here you go an actually reasonable level from forgotten brew?
completely dumpster your melee stats tyvm
can't be divine because it gives prayer for whatever reason 
Or yeah just get rid of everything on the potion other than the magic boost
Heck you can even leave the prayer
or ignore it and start on awakened orbs 3.0
Based
i wouldnt be surprised
wow i havent even spoken here in a day and theres still like over a hundred messages complaining about me
these people complain about half their messages being blocked lmao, i have like 30 people on this server blocked
yeah i hope they dont do awakeners orbs 3.0 with the delve boss tokens, also remove awakeners orbs 1.0 and 2.0
maybe remove ecunumical keys too? idk i havent done gwd, im just a noob with medium CAs done
wow i havent even spoken here in a day and theres still like over a hundred messages complaining about me
perhaps that means you should pause and reflect about what you say in this server
what do u think about ecunumical keys mr 5b bank
i think they're fine
i still have quite a stack of them from my nex grinding days, but it's not enough to really use on the rest of the bosses for pet or anything
i have 2 of them in my bank ive never used them, i guess theyre not that egregrious compared to awakeners orbs and contracts
not a big fan of the mechanic of needing kc to do the gwd bosses, but so it goes
it's location way off from a bank (before nex) that's hard to resupply to keep going because you need follower kc to keep killing boss
dont the gwd bosses have super long respawn times
i don't really like that system at all
maybe summer sweep can reduce the respawn time as qol, as well as deleting ecunumecal keys and contracts and orbs
you have to circumvent it with resupply alts or other chicanery
i just don't get the point of it, and i don't think it's fun
but ymmv
toggle for solo instances imo
rs3 has em
it's 100% something little reddit timmies will scream about though
as if world hopping isnt a complete ass meta
Cant have fun, no
Surely slayer summer sweep up blog dropping in a week
probably
Yeah hope so, it seems like they had a pretty open and shut 1-2 so far
General complaints aside, they actually did fix like 90% of what most people were bitching about
i would love that at DKs
it's so hard to find open worlds there
do vm need to get buffed? its just kinda impossibol to find teams nowdays after zalc got buffed
and shooting star
i think vm is still best afk/xp ratio its always been slept on meathod
even before those options existed/got buffed
yee, but its aids trying to look for a team
before shooting star buff and zalc buff (not sure excatly when), it was easy to find a team
vm discord dead?
its dying but not dead
Yee,
I so hope slayer qol makes all the helm recolors once price, I've been giga skipping instead of saving assuming stuff will be cheaper
I sort of wish i could just have 1 slay helm and change its skin as needed 
Im about 6 helms deep now lol
What is "bumping" in the context of a game suggestion thread (apologies if wrong chat)
u post to bring it back to the top
the contract update is so awful, idk why theyre trying to raise the gap between midgame players and endgame players by making midgame players poorers
my bank is down 150m from yama release and taxes make me lose even more when i regear, and i only attempted 7 contracts
and it still costs 5m to fight the harmony one with the fun looking orb mechanic once... where am I supposed to get the money for that??
not to mention emberlight gets deleted every time u sell it and nothing besides emberlight works at yama... wtf is wrong with this boss?
and it costs 40m/h to boost yama which is like 200m to get the death charge scroll, and thats if u dont go dry on dossier
200m is like 3x higher than rigour ever was isnt it
Don't engage you'll get warned
well i think its fine to make untradeable from bosses
Just 
I wouldn't recommend engaging for another reason. This has been going on for days and days and days and days.
Better to just let it lie (lay?)
hope they do something about contract acquisition and pay to fight boss system this week
From several, several, several conversations in the history, you can see there's not a future in talking about this in this situation, and the whole channel suffers from becoming about just this for a while.
last week it was just mechanic adjustments
Maybe one day somebody will do something about it, one can hope
yep, everyone complained
yeah i hope they do something about contracts
have there been any contract similar update that been good?
Ahhh
Please elaborate
No dont!!!
No itโs ok
Nothing can be dumb so itโs all ok
Everything goes!
These are 200 iq discussions
on what?
On the gap in skill in regards to contracts
ive never said anything about any skill gaps
Then what gap? Gp?
yes
Are you sending contracts which isnโt meant for midgame? If so thatโs a you issue and a non concern in general
The ideal method for midgame folks is to kill lesser demons
If youโre losing money doing content you donโt have the skill to do, then itโs not a Jagex issue
I believe the person you're engaging with considers Colosseum to be mid game, in which case they should simply do more Colosseum (best moneymaker in the game) if they'd like to do more contracts
Thereโs certain words we would be able to say 2 days ago, but due to a update to the rules (the wording hasnโt changed weirdly enough) Iโd like to say that it isnโt the best idea for you!
Hope this helps and that you have a bright and lovely evening
Or morning!
(Being positive to folks who may or may not deserve is key to becoming a positive influence in this discord! Only costs humanity to do!)
But alas! Itโs endgame content
On that note, people who are overly PC trying out comedy is comedy in and of itself
According to the source that IS Jagex
Itโs Wonderful!
That's preposterous! (I assume that's allowed to be said)
Why would someone go on the internet and provide statements that are contrary to what is correct? That seems ludicrous!
Who KNOWS
People love to argue SOLVED things
no colo is earlygame
Wow!
but its not even 10m/h without max stats and gear
Waste of time then!
so u can do colo for over half an hour to be allowed to do the harmony fight once
Lol
whats up with that?
half an hour of farming gp to be able to attempt 1 fight once
Thatโs ? and I wouldnโt ever suggest that to anyone (specifically for humans)
our skill level just hasnt reached the peak of our skill ceilling, thats all
But if itโs early game content like they saidโฆ

we have just so much more to improve on that must mean
im talking about harmony contracts, it costs 5m to play the fight once
at 10m/h thats 30 mins of farming gp to be able to try the fight once
or several pounds in bonds
its crazy that players are ok with fight being locked behind that
so crazy that we're just not that good enough to do them yet
they still have to pay 5m per fight
Cheap!
if ur bank is less than 5m u cant even do the fight at all
Wow!
unless u do like 2 colo runs first
Thatโs amazing
Radiant oathplate set is midgame
how is it amazing to not be allowed to fight bosses in the video game
im not happy that jagex thinks players should have to pay 3 pounds to fight a boss even as paying members

they wouldnt even refund me over it
modmail is for discord stuff not jagex stuff
dont have to play osrs, but it sure sucks yes
Sent a post letter like you would to Santa Claus
Should reach them
Which part?!
thatd cost more than the membership i paid
ok its only like <200 yen to send a letter to cambridge from japan but itd probably take months

Careful i got 24 hr'd for saying this
๐ค๐ฝ๐ค๐ฝ๐ค๐ฝ
Just report the troll to modmail instead of antagonizing @limber briar
Like it hasn't been reported by multiple people and nothing is done about it ๐คก
bane is pretty obviously being disingenuous but im not gonna report them over it, im happy to discuss contracts
Are mods allowed to call people trolls?
I thought calling people trolls was against the rules
Pot calling kettle black
I got told calling someone a troll is a personal attack and not to do it?
idk im just not gonna call anyone a troll its not that hard
Wasnโt really aimed at anyone specific.
"The troll" looks specific to me
Hmm?
Referring to an individual
You'd be missing context if you weren't here
Im not one to gripe, but after being targeted im no longer against whats deserved of someone specific.
So if it's about a deleted message it was indeed about someone specific, sounds like calling someone a troll to me
Not to say it isn't deserved
But that's for sure a double standard
Was quoting..
just saying, this is left up is pretty yike @noble vortex
He himself didnโt call anyone a troll.
Thank you.
i dont really think calling someone a troll is like timeout worthy tbh, its just annoying when groups derail channels into hundreds of messages discussing whether someone is a troll
It's okay to talk crap about this game we all play and enjoy ๐
It draws negative attention especially by the person youโre calling a troll
thats fair
Wdym? Iโm very serious
am i not allowed to discuss whether jagex disputes chargebacks
You're talking about charging back for a skill issue
i dont believe u but ill still engage with u if u want
do u have any more questions about contracts
which ones u got left
And I wonder why Jagex thought killing multiple void flares after a skip is good
Bloodied and sensory
ive only attempted bloodied blows
i think i did about 400 hp, im not the best person for advice on it
I havenโt done them yet as I donโt really log in
I donโt need advice is the best part! I need time but thatโs tied into other things atm
So if I get to play for an hour or two longer I can finish them

yeah same, im doing colo to try to get gear for emberlight, really wish i could just buy death charge instead, i dont like yama that much
i guess i could just boost it but thatd still be like 6 hours and 200m
i really want double death charge tho
Isnโt this exciting @minor whale
also the harmony fight looks the most fun and its 5m per attempt
wtf is up with that??? why cant i just play the fight for fun
or even for death charge?
Very exciting, I from now on will only converse with everyone in a 100% genuine and positive manner and hope that everyone follows suit!
LETS GO
Donโt try something out of your budget!
Being a brokie means you need to do more
Content
Hope this helps
im heading to the GE rn ๐
End game for a reason sounds like you're not end game
So goated for knowing

Unfortunate! Find friends that can help! Hope this helps
but its really important upgrade for colo and makes it more fun :(
its also kinda crazy that yama heals if u dont use specific gear/styles
like u cant punch him to death even if u tick eat all the explosions cuz hell outheal ur dps
poorly designed fight IMO
have u tried that with no arclight or scythe
Progressing your account isn't what I'd consider wasting 10s of hours!
It's a permanent upgrade that is excellent against many bosses and mobs
I'd put in the time and effort to get such a good upgrade!
i mean its less fun than fighting a difficult boss, which was the contextual goalpost for "wasting time"
I did a lot of slayer, then I used the shards and then I used to ge to make an ember light
Wow itโs permanent
Oh my rod
Thatโs crazy!
im not engaging with u anymore cuz u quoted odablock ๐ ๐คข
u should cut him off hes evil
๐ this is getting too off-topic lets go back to how bad harmony acquisition is
I canโt speak on the topic as I havenโt done it! But I can speak on the bad contract system as a whole! But thatโs a giant waste of time as you can ctrl + f what I said!
Wish more folks chose not to speak on content they donโt engage in

idk how to ctrl f to find what u said, tell me how bad contracts are
ye i really hope they delete orbs and contracts next wednesday
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Honestly don't have any issues with contract system since I have a main account to practice contracts on. On the iron it would have been a pain to grind those sensory contracts. Harmony and oathplate contract are super rare as they should be imo.
contracts atm if sending is basically adjust to the p3 pattern and you'll cop
why should it be a rare drop to be allowed to fight a boss for fun
Its not fun its for a goal very different
my goal is to play the video game and enjoy it
Then do something else not everything is designed for yoh
You're not trying very hard are you?
You*
would love some fun bosses that dont take 10s of hours to be allowed to fight, besides colo and inferno
There's many fun bosses, you should expand your horizons!
not sure why people thinks it reasonable to take 10s of hours charging arclight when u can go into colo ready to win on a 2 hour old hcim
Examples include:
Vardorvis
Theatre of Blood
Chambers of Xeric
Alchemical Hydra
The Abyssal Sire
Omg these are very good suggestions
Nice!
Personally I believe the game is centered around progression of your account!
It's an important part of every account's journey!
You mentioned raids?! WOW. That's really awesome
Wait this game is a journey?
Osrs is SO cool
yeah ill probably to do awakened vard budget cutter for hard CAs so I can unlock hard CAs to be allowed to fight gwd bosses in private instances
but the private instances and awakeners orbs costs should both not be in the game
The best part is, most of if not all of these bosses are highly profitable!
Have you done normal Vardorvis at all? I'd say that going straight into awakened is a waste of time and money and resources, especially for a person of your considerable skill!
Perhaps try out normal Vardorvis first!
but then i would get hard cas already and i wouldnt be able to make silly reddit posts
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also i did hundreds of vard kc on leagues and its not that fun, u just step 2 tiles
Awakened vard is such a good challenge! Should practice the normal and see if you can last the enrage without dpsing it for 2 minutes! I did it back in the day with a fang for 5 whole minutes! Wow
Also would not try it if poor! Bad decisions hahahaha
Hi Chat Mod Senny!
its kinda crazy that the rhetoric is "dont play the game or fight fun bosses if you're poor"
We are having a positive discussion with very smart comments. This is truly beneficial to understanding each other!
you dont need gp or stats to have fun at colo/inferno
awakened bosses and yama should be the same way
Ren, please get real for a moment..if youโre unable to get through regular vard in the main game consistently I donโt think itโs wise to state that youโll just grind out the awakened version which is a considerable bump up in difficulty. Also the sheer amount of orbs that youโll likely go through for a kill will take a financial toll on your bank. I think itโs best to just stick to regular vardorvis for quite awhile.
literally level 8 is plenty to enter colo/inferno and win
u gain stats inside
i do not struggle with regular vard... unironically i would not need many orbs to do awakened vard and levi unless I do nostun, which ive been practicing for and feels nigh impossible on asian ping
I see.
Genuinely wouldn't go through much if you understand that you just don't want to tank an axe
Plus if you can dance in reg enragre for 2+ min, you should be OK to send
i struggle with whisperer alot tho, and idk the duke acid walk
Just need to turn on game sounds to hear the mage orb
whisperer for me was free!
And I did all these sends while dcing
Such good stuff

whisperer you just need a spreadsheet up to see which pillar phase you rolled
other than that its literally just the same fight
Or EYES!
i originally wanted to do nostun awakened levi to reach hard CAs, but its soooo hard even if I devote hundreds of hours of practice ๐ญ its like nigh impossible on 160 ping
We sure do love a conversation
Having eyesight is really good for whisperer!
Or can use sharex to screenshot
Nice!
Duke is a repeating pattern
omg click 1234 and dodge
Yippee
effort
This is an excellent idea! I'd definitely recommend doing nostun awakened leviathan before being able to complete the inferno or the hard combat achievements!
No! Hotkey it!
It's right up your alley for someone just exiting the early game (such as Colosseum)!
why
im able to complete the inferno tho, and ill still be medium CAs after 4 kc
Amazing!
Have you completed the inferno?
yes over 20 times
You have said before that you have only reached wave 50?
???
And your account shows it has 0 kc?
On the snowflake perhaps
i reached jads in 70min with no supplies before i even joined this server
I must be imagining things!
Hahahaha there's NO such thing as bad information @minor whale
i talk about wave 50 alot cuz i think learners should use the middle start tile and 2t flick
it makes it so much easier, thats probably why u got confused
Is your account with 120 Colo kc the same account with the 20 Zuk kc?
It's a crime to call it out. It must exist to have a proper and educational discussion on stuff that have been solved
no thats all my leagues accounts combined, i think i only had 2-4 inferno kc on my main
Leagues doesn't count for anything!
Never use it to talk about stuff in the main game
Ah so these 20 kc are leagues kc
yes it does i studied zuk mechanics and fixed the wiki
some pet rates 
I see!
That is valuable contribution to discussions, comparing league kc to main game without divulging as such!
i got tangleroot naturally! i didnt take the farming relics!!1
Yay for an irrelevant time limited gamemode
omg
you keep them between leagues!!
WOW
YAY
i need a trailblazer rerun hope thats part of next weeks update post
i want it almost as much as contract deletion
trailblazer reloaded rerun*
im printing out the bowfa doc and scribbling mean things over it
the relics were so much better
Oml
Wow I'm not seeing any Zuk kc in the main game, I must have imagined the previous conversation?
listen, if u wanna make a gp bet with me me ill get 4 zuk kc in the next 8 hours
Sorry, but gambling is against terms of service!
oh good to know
But you were discussing things as though you had 20 main game kc, I was just making sure that everything you said was factually correct!
like i said the 20 kc is on leagues, the 70min no supply to jads before I joined this server is maingame tho
chat, should i scroll up?
regardless id hope my conversation partners can evaluate opinions and points on their merits
Ah you made it to Jads before 70m and then planked and decided to not complete the challenge.
I see!
Nay
i died to single jads to a disconnect cuz my taiwan hostel wifi was shitty at the time
No, not worth the braincells lost
You should go get your infernal cape, it'd be of great help to your Colosseum experience!
Someday the mods will take action
Yes!
When they stop arbitrarily modding
You get to see myself, Bane, and Ren have a very genuine conversation!
Where we all don't tell ANY lies and we don't do any sort of commentary that is said solely to entice rebuttal!
im doing colo to afford an acb but i keep dying to lasers and wave 7 cuz im bad
also im confused about what to do with my bank cuz of the taxes and yama nonsense
I miss what the game update channel used to be, before the fire nation attacked
I'd probably write up a modmail ticket if I were to believe this conversation was bordering on a rule 3 violation, but I think chat mods have decided that all parties of this conversation are being fully genuine and thus no action would be taken!
I personally will continue to have absolutely genuine conversations with my good friend Bane and the other party who might be involved!
Just ignore them tho
i will get an infernal cape for colo if im using sra but i cant even afford a sra rn
cant even afford to have both a colo and inferno ranged setup
Why would I ignore someone that is being genuine and talking about their very real game plan with the channel? I'd probably only ignore someone if they were trolling, but that clearly isn't the case here!
No obviously not and definitely the right choice
Myself and Bane are merely having a discussion with someone that is early game (only 140 Colo kc) who is discussing their next moves!
like ive said before i wanna get a sra for colo but i want double death charge especially for yama
and buying emberlight without selling it throws a whole wrench into my plans
i think ive just gotta do colo with ranged to make like 200m and then do inferno and buy emberlight and sra both
I'm sure a mod mail ticket put in by anyone else in the channel would likely result in no action taken due to the legitimacy of this conversation, so I really don't think it's worth it for any or everyone else to do so!
itd be really nice if they made death charge scroll tradeable and also address contract acquisition
and the harmony contract which costs 5m to do the fight for fun
the pizza contract doesnt even have the orb tile mechanic
Lets not antagonize other users please.
No! Everyone here is smart and NEVER wrong. So this is fine
I personally think the game is about benefiting your account via progression, and one mode of progression is to unlock untradeable rewards!
Thank you!
Not everything needs to be tradable
idk im not really feeling that, i might make a uim once they release the varlamore pt 3 dscim alternative
I'd love to be able to talk about game updates again
Mastering content that provides benefits to other content is at the core of OSRS!
just beastmode everything naked and not bother keep any items
Contracts, which was the original discussion, was an update!
Therefore this is ok (slight tangent)
is anyone else excited for the varlamore spec weapon that u can get from perdu
No, this is game updates!
Join us in having very genuine real conversations that are only positive and serve to show that NOBODY in this channel could possibly be using it to say outlandish things!
When are you guys actually going to remove the glaring problem in the room?
Instead of letting this channel continue to get worse?
Fluffy! No personal attacks please!
Gees, every time i come in here its just bad bad faith conversations being derailed by the same person
Sorry! That's not positive enough. Could you re-word please?
There's discussions that have been had and what we have now
Guess no chat in here today either
Sorry, that might be calling someone out. No one is ever wrong so would you mind not targetting nice folks?
Surely this won't continue forever! It's only been 2 weeks, but I think I can sense a change!
Wait no, that was just a sneeze. Sorry!
Calling someone out for being wrong IS NOT it as of 2 days ago
Sorry, i thought it was so obvious, but yeah, i guess ill have to be more careful
Thank you, Darkness!
Proud of these guys for stepping up their positivity
Thank you for your contribution to this positive atmospheric discussion

Troll
Ayo?
Can we actually have a statement as to why this is still going on?
Because this is actually insane.
Proud of the mod team for doing such a stand-up job at keeping this channel free of anyone intentionally derailing it!
Because every single osrs player has something to contribute even if 100% wrong!
What are you referring to?
I sure would hate if more people sent in modmails about the issue that might lead to a solution! That'd be overwhelming and I'm SURE not necessary!
I'm only getting stage 4 from engaging with the same wrong folks time and time again but why does that matter








