game-update

[ember token]

?

[restive siren]

exactly because it wasnt popular?

huh

[fossil epoch]

3.7m per contract, needing 250 to go on rate, probably because of that

[ember token]

i guess changing the pet drop rate with the contract from 1/250 to 1/100 is a nerf in their eyes

[fossil epoch]

thats a good reason it wasnt popular

[remote sphinx]

i dont mean the cost, i mean the idea of pet contracts in general

[tiny otter]

because

[remote sphinx]

whether its 1gp or 1b

[fossil epoch]

So what you are asking is why not delete pet contracts?

[tiny otter]

something something price of items

averaging less kills

to artifically inflate the non pet items

[remote sphinx]

cant say im a fan of them but no im not asking to delete them. just no reason to make them more common

[restive siren]

the reason is nobody did them

so they buffed it

[winged mantle]

is it because only the one with the contract had a chance at the pet?

the boosted rate

[fossil epoch]

Hmm, well jagex has been testing ways to keep a boss more relevant, by trying to move the pet farmers away from the content asap. This is another way besides destroying the loot

[winter hearth]

pretty much, was too hard for the boost to feel worthwhile

[chrome lantern]

So, why does there still need to be any aether runes used after getting the full sigil? 75% reduction is great, but why keep it at all?

[shadow wave]

Cos fuck ironmen, that's why

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think it has any real value for mains either

[fossil epoch]

blorva also needs blood runes, following that trend doesnt seem wrong though

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think sanguine torva should need runes either

[restive siren]

as someone not having either i think its a cool thematic thing but i can see how it would be annoying

but with them adding more sources of catalysts i dont think it will be a problem even for iron

[chrome lantern]

Especially if they intend to maintain the contract and orb system for whatever reasons

[winter hearth]

Usually add them as a somewhat reliable long-term added sink

[unreal jackal]

how long the updates will take

[fossil epoch]

15min

[chrome lantern]

With how few people do the content there’s no way that’s a “reliable” sink, especially with how many of the runes get used

In just regular usage

[fossil epoch]

reliable /=/ quantitative though

[winter hearth]

their daily volume is astronomical compared to the sink anyway, and likely compared to their usage atm

any help long-term is useful

[restive siren]

are you guys aware of the TD bug btw? didnt see anything in the update

[winter hearth]

Plus broadly, the team enjoys the theming

[chrome lantern]

Surely the sink being negligible compared to volume is even more reason to not force it on the people that already did one of the hardest sets of challenges though?

[winter hearth]

Team took a look yesterday but couldn't see anything specifically 'wrong' with them, keen to see if behaviour persists post-update

[restive siren]

hm kk

[vivid ruin]

I had a clanny who couldn't attack TD's because "someone else was attacking them". Even after hopping a few times and no one there

[restive siren]

yes i was talking about that

[chrome lantern]

Appreciate the response btw just hate seeing this rune vacuum as a “reward” for clearing challenges

[restive siren]

they take forever to reset for some reason

[chrome lantern]

And as I said appreciate the lessened severity now

Any consideration of lessening sanguine torva as well?

[winter hearth]

Might be some similar behaviour to Demonics where they're not clearing damage quickly enough and susceptible to griefing

[restive siren]

ye i have no clue if its someone griefing or just a bugged behaviour but if its susceptible to griefing it just shouldnt take 30min+ to be attackable again

[vivid ruin]

Yeah my clanny said he hopped multiple worlds. Even clear worlds would give him that message

[snow spade]

who can i contact about issues with getting on my account, put a ticket in but really confused with it all tbh

[restive siren]

#account-help can give you some more info

but tickets are the only way to get in contact with jmods

[winged mantle]

@winter hearth any chance the team is looking to revisit oathplate kit contracts? looks pretty unreasonable to attempt on an iron even with the rate buff

[winter hearth]

I'm not sure if this is the case after the changes to the Contracts themselves too? Will keep an eye on it data-wise and see where things shake out

[snow spade]

ty

[gleaming pilot]

Hey there every1

[pliant haven]

I guess soulflame horn isn’t getting changed

Thing is trash

[deft barn]

@winter hearth can you by any chance let us know what extra use cases ralos has now with the small range boost, seems more superficial than anything for an item that is really rare from endgame content?

[restive siren]

think new usecases for items are more on the community to figure out

[hexed flax]

What's the TD bug?

[restive siren]

read 3 more lines and find out

[vernal gazelle]

No pride event this year? Other than the march?

[chrome surge]

i can see a pride drop party

since were going to falador

[chrome lantern]

Pretty sure this is the same way they’ve executed every year, they make an announcement to schedule, then release something in another update

[bright anchor]

Sorry to ask, but is there any idea on when the cluescroll update might be implented?

[chrome lantern]

Could be wrong though I don’t really pay attention

To the timing

[vivid ruin]

Says they just need a few more tweaks and itll be released

[ember token]

read the update blog

[bright anchor]

Yeh I did, must've skimmed over it. My bad.

Saw it now thanks though 🙂

[slender linden]

Goblin, does burning claw work correctly yet on demonic gorillas with the burn effect?

[vernal gazelle]

I think usually they announce the pride quest/event thing in tandem with the march. This year, it just says "To help you get ready, you can reclaim any previous pride rewards you may have missed by talking to Django". If they're skipping the pride quest this year, it's kind of a shame. Because of my timezone I can never make it to the little in-game march, so it's always nice to go do a little 10 minute fun quest when I get home instead

[chrome lantern]

Given no mention in update notes might be easier to just test yourself

[autumn elbow]

@winter hearth Any reason why yama pet is a 10h pet for mains now, but irons have to grind 200 kills for 1 attempt at pet contract?

[vivid ruin]

Irons ironing

[chrome lantern]

You do get the contract back if you win, don’t you?

Also this update literally lets you duo with someone else supplying it, doesn’t it?

[slender linden]

If its the same for all irons whats the issue?

[autumn elbow]

only for mains

More so opposed for it being a straight up buyable pet

[chrome lantern]

Gotcha, I play an iron but I don’t care about the pet so I didn’t read that closely there

[autumn elbow]

but irons have to grind giga kc even for 1 attempt at it

[slender linden]

i think irons should just expect to get a pet on regular yama kills, not contracts. its a non issue tbh

[vivid ruin]

Irons ironing

[autumn elbow]

Should be the case for mains too tho at that point

straight up buyable pet is not good in general

[slender linden]

i do solo kills which basically makes my petrate twice as slow as duo. oh well. why are u bothered what mains can do anyways

its not straight up buyable so thats a non arguement. it does increase odds yes.

[autumn elbow]

it is tho, pay to get 25x chance. Shit system in general

[mystic kindle]

you dont have to play iron if you dont want to

[autumn elbow]

A system like that isnt healthy, thats the main point

[vivid ruin]

Thankfully its a cosmetic

Theres nothing unhealthy about that

[winged mantle]

Some of us have been playing iron for 6 years. We don't play main

[deft barn]

@winter hearth also are you aware when yama items will be allowed to be used in deaths coffer, i thought it was usually 2 weeks or so?

[red acorn]

@carmine ferry the karambwan fishing spot has gone

[meager flame]

it does happen every time

[gleaming horizon]

Quick panic buy krambams just in case

[red acorn]

Yes, it's back now haha

how strange

[bronze kernel]

The karambwans not moving are actually a bug they keep as a feature

Much like how the imp defenders at Puro Puro are supposed to do something but don't

Yeah

[winter hearth]

No set timeframe on this

[still sundial]

did you know the same bug affecting the karambwan spot also affects fly fishing spots in the Tirannwn river?

[winter hearth]

just takes a while to re-sync back up between the Tai Bwo cutscene ond overworld spots, this happens every update

[bronze kernel]

Inb4 never

[winter hearth]

GOATed spot genuinely

wait wrong reply

[winter hearth]

GOATed spot genuinely v2

[bronze kernel]

Truly a good spot

[bronze kernel]

At least it's to yourself and not a random person

[red acorn]

May make a note of that for my uim, cheers!

[winter hearth]

enough random people ping me at 11pm on a Saturday, I wouldn't think twice about it even if I had pinged somebody else

[deft barn]

Thanks, can you also share by any chance what the extra ralos use cases are with +1 range, seems like just a superficial buff?

[bronze kernel]

To be more specific, it's the ones outside the southern gates of Priff to the south east

[winter hearth]

think Vesp portal, potentially Zuk from middle, slightly less annoying to use at Olm without screwing up your cycle

I think definitely Zuk from middle actually, 8 tiles on longrange

[deft barn]

I thought zuk was only 6 tiles away from middle?

[red acorn]

Is it normal for the karamb spot to disapear again after re-synching up? 😮

[winter hearth]

in which case save yourself a tick and get to use rapid instead

[winter hearth]

give it a little while beast

[deft barn]

Awesome thanks for clearing up 👍

[ashen delta]

GOTR back to the old one?

[autumn elbow]

@winter hearth Why not have yama pet contract work same for all acc types?

[winter hearth]

Irons chose to stand alone

If you want the boosted rate on an Iron, use a Contract that you earn for yourself

[red acorn]

I'm assuming GIM works the same as iron?

or can 2 group members both benefit

[winter hearth]

I think for the time-being yes, hope is to let GIMs work together on it so both can benefit but it's complicated to implement

[fossil epoch]

Irons stand to much in small gatherings these days, i think that what confuses some of them

[autumn elbow]

We did but we did not sighn up to straight pay to win system

[winter hearth]

You're not competing against Mains anyway if you're an Iron though?

[compact flicker]

Its a cosmetic that doesnt affect game progression

[winter hearth]

It's a flex cosmetic, there's no 'winning'

[mystic kindle]

its a pet

[compact flicker]

You will be fine

Getting it on an iron will be even better of a flex than on a main too

So irons actually stay winning

[autumn elbow]

True, but it being a duo encounter just makes u wanna do it with boosters cause if the other person fks up ur kinda in the bin

[compact flicker]

Choose your duo wisely

[winter hearth]

If you think you need the pet that badly then go ahead

But if you're an Iron who's capable of hanging in there for the Familiar Acquisition contract then you probably have some similarly skilled pals who'd get involved - can make the same argument for any of the duoable acquisition contracts

back in my day we'd grind 99 Thieving ASAP to upkeep Kingdom if we wanted to make a single potion, us Irons have fallen so far from grace

[fossil epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/hgxKYrd.png

much better flex

[winter hearth]

Soul Wars dolo gear spotted 😠

[ember token]

well thats what happens when the best way to get zeal isnt to play the game as normal

[fossil epoch]

Hey, you guys are forcing me to get this pet asap

[red acorn]

UIM has also become a lot more straightforward with all these minigames! haha

[winter hearth]

Pet rate isn't changing, nor is the dolo meta - if it's just the pet that you want

[fossil epoch]

No but all the crates i have to open along the way to the pet are

so might aswell get the better deal

[winter hearth]

Obvi you get more for your time atm but if you're pet hunting then imagine the output isn't that significant

I get you

[fossil epoch]

well ironman collection logging more than pet hunting

[ember token]

pet is 1/400, avg loot from a crate is 84k

so that's 33.6mil in supplies and resources you would get going on rate for the pet

[fossil epoch]

the resources for sure more valuable than the gp conversion since cant trade yeh

[winter hearth]

your acc looks omega stacked as-is but I get where you're comin from

[fossil epoch]

yeh, i could live without the resources

might aswell live with them though

[ember token]

if you were gonna get the pet eventually anyways, might as well do it when you can still get a bunch of loot along the way

[winter hearth]

dolo is so dull though, couldn't stomach it

[fossil epoch]

ngl i agree, its not fun
i enjoyed trouble brewing way more

[ember token]

if it's similar to cw crates, it'll be about 23k avg loot per crate consisting of primarily blighted supplies

[fossil epoch]

i might have been the problem at cw, and stood still in the corner

[ember token]

trouble brewing is good, has some issues that are mostly just from the minigame being old, nothing game-breaking

the extent of boosting at TB is simply getting everyone making brews on the same team

[ionic tartan]

Any chance SW pet rate gets a boost if crates are going to be nerfed?

[winter hearth]

No

[ionic tartan]

Sadness

[gleaming horizon]

1/401 for the memes

[fossil epoch]

actually enjoyed doing real trouble brewing, though i mixed it up between playing the minigame and just water collecting

[ember token]

what trouble brewing could use is a reason to do it past greenlog

jagex seems to have no interest in adjusting the medium clue price to being reasonable

and so it's like 1 medium clue per 5 hours of trouble brewing (at best)

[still sundial]

good med clues from trouble brewing would be nice, puro puro is not great content

[ember token]

i'm not even asking for it to be a competitive method of getting mediums

they could reduce the price by 5x and it still wouldnt be that good

[still sundial]

and kinda weird that the best source of meds is the same between "doing the work yourself" and just buying them

[ember token]

but at least it would be more reasonable

[fossil epoch]

I was so sad to learn that with the clue update, we dont get double mediums from gnomes

was so hoping not to have to do puro puro

[compact flicker]

I did stone chests for a while for mediums, but no pet chance there sucked

[deft barn]

With SW crates being removed are there any plans for true soul altar or some other sources of soul runes on the horizon?

[ember token]

true soul altar is in menaphos, and menaphos isn't anytime soon

[winter hearth]

Someday I'd imagine, suspect a 'true soul altar' is likely a Menaphos thing, but no clue when that's likely on the cards

[compact flicker]

Can do scar essence in the meantime no?

[ember token]

you can at most get 390 pieces of eight from a single game of trouble brewing (which is a 20 minute game + 3 minutes between games), and this is with like, no one sabotaging, 8-10+ brewers on the same team all brewing rum, good coordination, etc. for a theoretically maximum of about 1100 pieces of eight per hour

[compact flicker]

Not used it before, but sounds great for bulk

[ember token]

if medium clues were 1k each, that would be 1.1 medium clues per hour

500 each, 2.2 per hour

which is still both a lot worse (for both irons and mains) than other methods of getting medium clues

[winter hearth]

It is yeah

[compact flicker]

Focusing on bloods for 99 rcing but will need souls later on after the shadow grind

My plan is scar essence

[ember token]

so i am once again asking to knock down medium clues from TB by 5x or 10x so it doesn't feel bad to actually buy them from TB 🙏

[pliant haven]

Is soulflame horn staying ass forever or is it getting changed

Thing would be better off used by the varrock choir as a trumpet

Thing would be better off used by the dwarves for their multi cannons as a funnel for oil

Thing would be better off used by the leprechauns as a coin purse

[deft barn]

Tysm for the response! Also wanted to see if there were any plans to touch the soulflame horn/allow you to use on yourself - seems like a shame that such a cool item is already barely 10m?

[pliant haven]

Can we just change the name of the soulflame horn to “dwarven multi cannon oiler” and make it so every 20 minutes you need to use it to keep your multi cannon moving? It would be more useful introducing a problem for it to fix than it currently is

[pliant haven]

They refuse. Even though we polled a completely different mechanic they keep this trash as is

[deft barn]

I think thats an unfair statement, it still has niche uses but would be nice to get some use out of it in solo (even if not guaranteed landing of next hit, maybe an accuracy boost or something)

[pliant haven]

Honestly it just pisses me off when I get it from YAMA I just dump it on the GE

[pliant haven]

lol niche uses that 35 people ingame use. Cmon bro

I agree about solo

[deft barn]

Everyone that duos yama melee uses, what do you mean?

[meager flame]

you can do it the problem is

unfortunately

[compact flicker]

There is always future content, and new items that can be combined etc. something having less use than others is fine

[meager flame]

its worse than shops

tbh i dont really know why they really wanted to die on the hill of putting each rune into a category and just having the prices wrong

leaving shops still the correct choice for some types of runes

but they did

[compact flicker]

Worse as in output per hour or cost? Because I cant deal with shopscape, while I am fine with dropping a lump of gp for an instant stack

[ember token]

i mean its just astral runes that are "wrong" no?

[meager flame]

no

soul runes are overpriced

it would be different if we had the true soul altar i think

because then you could actually go fast so maybe there would be some logic behind it

i still kinda think that sucks in a way since you'd be paying more to go faster but at least there would like

be something happening

right now you're basically purchasing the privilege of not competing for soul runes if too many people are buying out stock

and thats about it

[ember token]

not as much especially in comparison to astral runes, those are 50 gp at baba yaga and 200 gp with the scar essence mine, while soul runes are 300 at a shop and 400 with the mine which i'd say is a pretty big diff

[obtuse jackal]

Where's the pride event

We pay we gay

[ember token]

you're paying for time saved not having to worldhop to buy from shops

[meager flame]

you're not saving time

scar essence is slower than shops for souls

if the soul altar existed that would not be true

[dire mango]

The contract is incredibly rare at 1/1.6k rate. At which point you're likely to have full oathplate anyways from just doing regular yama. Going by that design choice it doesn't seem like it's intended to be a way irons get the armour. But more of a high risk, high reward moneymaker for very skilled mains.

[compact flicker]

With 170ms it always takes me a few seconds to hop, terrible content for me

Paying a fee to get that juicy stack is great

[meager flame]

i think in a lot of ways scar essence just needs a little update

its definitely better gameplay even if honestly

both options are kind of dumb

[winged mantle]

Oathplate kit contracts *

[meager flame]

but they already sold out on all of that so at least tweak the costs a little bit

[winged mantle]

I forgot the oathplate acquisition contract is a thing

[true talon]

Glad we hadto waste 3update weeks on contracts

because we told you so

base yama still cant phase properly, but we gotta make sure the contract fights are better for the content ctreators!

[dire mango]

Is it wasted that they're improved upon from player feedback?

Content creators are far from the only ones doing contracts.

[true talon]

They never should have existed in the first place and then there wouldn’t be a problem. Talk to Yama ask to take on his stronger forms sign the contract terms and then engage. The tradeable entry key was never going to work.

All u unique printing contracts should t have been introduced either

[dire mango]

That's fair. They had faith they could make a better system than orbs, but they failed and now they've committed to not try again at least.

[true talon]

Said that last time with orbs

[dire mango]

There are no "unique printing contracts" look at the rates.

[true talon]

Don’t matter with the rates if they are fairly easily completable by a select few. If they were untradeable then rates would matter. But they aren’t, so anyone who can farm them can buy them.

[errant pecan]

is there any reason why theres no new cosmetic or event for pride this year? last we heard christmas, easter, pride and halloween would be fully supported seasonal events, kinda disappointing...

[dire mango]

ofc rates matter. Rates decide how many get into the game, and thus how many oathplate pieces come into the game from contracts compared to base yama drops.

[true talon]

But hey let them keep crashing oathplate, just like the hlc 55% purple chance Toas

Reddit Timmy isn’t to blame for fangs price or toa uniques being dirt cheap

[ember token]

if theyre gonna do an event, it might be later this month

[dire mango]

The vast majority of oathplate pieces come into the game from regular yama kills. Even in the idealised scenario where skilled players have 100% completion rates.

[sand lichen]

the reason oathplate is turbo crashing is cuz the content is extremely easy and approachable, and the rates are kinda high, not because some 10 players do the 50 contracts of oathplate acquisition that have made it into the game so far

[dire mango]

That and people panicking from seeing the contract completed.

[true talon]

Wrong, it’s because oathplate shards are tradeable. The armor itself is not that common

1/600 is barely better than inquisitor and that’s solo. So it’s 1/1200 in duo

[pliant haven]

This is why yes

[dire mango]

for a spesific piece, 1/200 for any piece

[errant pecan]

i dont think that is the case, the newspost talks about reclaiming previous years rewards and the jmod parade. no new cosmetic or miniquest like the previous few years

[sand lichen]

noone does phosani, everyone does yama, also a factor

[true talon]

1/400 for a specific piece 1/240 for a unique chance with 2/5 rolls being useless trash (the horn)

[true talon]

Yama is more fun and rewarding. So ofc everyone is going to do it over phosani. While I think phosani can be fun. The reward is garbage. Nothing like 7 mins for 25 bass

Atleast Yama has some decent drops and the uniques with catalyst tallo and worms also add value to doing it as an iron

[dire mango]

it takes you ~600+ solos to gather enough shards to craft one piece. or ~1200+ duos. compared to the 200/400 solos/duos it takes to go on rate for a piece.

[winged mantle]

It's not been a consistent date each year for pride event

[old tinsel]

So

[true talon]

Ya but the shards are meant to be BLP and not a means to print armor (which it currently is) because they are tradeable. If they weren’t tradeable a player would have to commit to the 1200 duos.

But now they can just sell the shards and then the shard contracts print a piece every 10 finishes.

[obsidian venture]

Right but there’s way more casuals sending Yama then “hlc”. So your point doesn’t make sense

[dire mango]

That's the downside of this kind of dry protection ig 🤷‍♂️ . Had they been untradable they would just be annoying for mains, while now they serve as a nice portion of the profit.

[rare grotto]

You're delusional if u thi k there are that many players doing high lvl toa

Ragebaited by tassili ffs

This guy is too good

[true talon]

Not annoying, means you have to comitt to the grind for the payout an work towards your reward.

I guess effort and working for something is to much to ask

[wind scarab]

Looks like Gilbert the leprechaun got a new dialogue option referencing the Glade

[winged mantle]

People are wondering if there's a pride event this year. May be a later this month thing they forgot to announce

[dire mango]

ight, you had me until this message. Good bait.

[plush gull]

bruh i was too distracted by zanaris and where my trailblazer reloaded rerun is that i didnt even notice there was an update today. did they delete contracts?

[old tinsel]

Its in todays game blog

[errant pecan]

the last three years theres been a seasonal miniquest and unique cosmetic with pride, but the newspost makes no mention of this or the intention to include it this year. hope im wrong but it feels like they are just selling merch and doing a jmod parade this year 😕

[true talon]

Come back next year in the summer sweep up

[compact flicker]

They posted their changes in #game-news, worth checking

[plush gull]

looks like basically no changes to contracts, ive been asleep was goblin giving any reasoning on that

also whats with the 30 minute timer, theres no such thing, were they trying to extend the afk timer unpolled 🤨

[restive siren]

wdym there is no such thing

[knotty herald]

RuneLite's maxed out at 25 min I think that's more than enough

30 is just a nice round half an hour

[restive siren]

ah right thought it was 30

[plush gull]

@winter hearth any thoughts on the horn fight with the re-entry shadow orbs no longer being tied to cheaper contracts? so minimum 5m to be able to try that fight even for fun. is it the mechanic going to be added to pizza contracts?

[obsidian venture]

Classic in this disc

[winged mantle]

The fact people aren't sure means it wasn't clear enough

[obsidian venture]

It said June 9th

Did it not

[winged mantle]

I hope it's an event this year and flavourful

[knotty herald]

I think they were expecting something like with NPCs and in-game items

[plucky umbra]

No fix to the Glyphic Attenuation ruby bolt cheese method :/ Just give everyone the purifying piece bottom at this point

[plush gull]

oh no people are able to do 2 contracts without a shadow, the horror

[winged mantle]

Pride livestream on the 9th

[plucky umbra]

That's the crush one, the difficulty of that one is that you're supposed to melee it, but since people can range it there's literally no text to the contract

it's just "do a longer Yama kill"

[fossil epoch]

time to buy your daily bonds, so you can upgrade

[plush gull]

ohhh its not the prayer one with the boosted ruby bolts damage? my bad

thats divine severance

[plucky umbra]

That's the cheese method that people are using for glyphic, that's not how the contract is intended to be fought though

[plush gull]

probably my 2nd favourite after bloodied blows, it raised my colo profits and ive already addy bolted base yama

the ruby bolt thing is such a cool mechanic

[plush gull]

ohhh nooo people are doing something besides using purging staff on void flares? we cant have that /s

seriously the yama fight is way too monotone

[plucky umbra]

The contract reads "Yama is weak to crush", the whole skill testing part of it is that you're supposed to melee it. Ranging it takes away all the difficulty of it, and player who can solo Yama could do it in the ruby bolt setup in a couple tries

People shouldn't be able to cheese pinnacle content with unintended methods

[plush gull]

are you the person who designed void flares??? lol wtf

[sand lichen]

ren being ren again

time to leave

[obsidian venture]

Either way, folks would rather 6t glyphic over learning no fly

Maul bonking then dodge as needed

[errant pecan]

my worry here is that its just being left up to the jmods to personally run an event now, no resources are being put into supporting the event like previous years. they previously said not to expect resources put into the anniversary event but that christmas, easter, pride and halloween would continue to be supported

[plucky umbra]

I spent a long time learning the melee methods for glyphic attenuation and it's dumb that people are one-and-doning the contract with ruby bolts and getting a similar kill time

[plush gull]

yama is already the most scripted fight in the game, and other people do not devalue ur achievements, be proud of them, did u have not fun learning??

[plucky umbra]

being able to cheese glyphic attenuation does devalue radiant plate

[plush gull]

i mean the kit only alchs for 5.7k its hard to devalue

[plucky umbra]

lol okay I see what's going on

[minor whale]

They just constantly troll, River
No need to ever engage with them

[compact flicker]

No negative impact, no need for a poll tbh

[plucky umbra]

yeah figured that one out just now. soapbox over! Jagex please fix ruby bolt Glyphic Attenuation and send the people who cheesed it a strongly worded disappointment letter

[plush gull]

idk i dont have any thoughts on it, just confused by seeing it when i woke up

[obsidian venture]

Kirby did do the 600k one which was memes

However if you learned the p3 pattern, I’m sure folks can send the melee version

4/5 is basically the same

[tacit pendant]

Jagex is devaluing radiant by not changing the awful stormtrooper color scheme

[plush gull]

oh yeah why does the helmet have fish funs and a mullet

how did they make such a cool design so awful

with the worst possible colour scheme, star wars glowy eyes, mermaid fins, and a mullet

[knotty herald]

the full set has -39 ranged I think it fits

[plush gull]

the shoulderplates and legs are waaaay too bulky too

[obsidian venture]

I’m not a fan of the cosmetic or design myself

But I’m still sending it

[tacit pendant]

And blorva helm plus red oath is "we have inq at home" design wise

[plush gull]

jmods were talking about chainmail and plateskirt variants, and then its just "oh big shoulderplates. this is the only content we're designing even though it looks nothing like oldschool armour. here's its comparison to torva and other armour from the past few years"

like there must be something wrong with the design theme, why are we only getting skyrim mage armour and massive shoulderplates added?

[true talon]

They dont need to fix anything, if you solve the contracts by a different means, then this is not different from most content in the game. unintended mechanics and solves is what make the game.

[plush gull]

yeah but then void flares! purging staff the void flares! oh ur trying to tick eat them and outdps the heal? nope, have an instadie mechanic!

[plucky umbra]

There's no difficulty in bolting Yama for 11 minutes, it's just a slow normal solo Yama

[true talon]

I mean intended is subjective, i feel nothing is ever "intended" when a solve drops. it just happens that way. if he wasnt meant to be ranged, then it woulda stated yama is weak to crush and immune to magic/range

[plucky umbra]

There is difficulty in kiting Yama around the arena with melee, and learning different methods to melee p3

[true talon]

Nowhere in base yama was it stated that in p3 you will just do bando's but hey thats what people did.

[plush gull]

so why dont u just keep doing the melee method for fun, and share the melee tech and tell people its more fun

let me hear more about these kiting method

[plucky umbra]

The intention is that the contracts are supposed to be pinnacle content. If you could bolt rag Awakened Duke and just tank him the whole time then you also wouldn't be doing pinnacle content, you'd just be doing a slow Duke kill

[true talon]

Wonder if you can kill awakened duke with suffering, veng thralls and posion.

[obsidian venture]

Pretty sure this is allowed

I remember chatting about this recently

But with bolting it just becomes an endurance test

I did the bolt methods for shits and giggles and it’s just way too long

Rather maul

[plucky umbra]

Ruby bolt kill times are the same as crush kill times without inq mace

[obsidian venture]

12m?

[plucky umbra]

so there's literally no reason not to just bolt the whole fight, since it's significantly easier p1/p2 to not have Yama chase you and p3 is way easier to keep up

yeah people are getting 11m kill times with bolts

[true talon]

You can do SOL heredit with range only too

who is meant to be meleed only

[plucky umbra]

the issue is that bolting Glyphic Yama is a competitive/better strategy than melee

[true talon]

unless they make the bos fully immune, then people will find creative ways to take it on without having to involve themself with melee mechanics.

[plucky umbra]

if they capped ruby damage at 100/110 it would be fine

[plucky umbra]

They should make the boss fully immune, that's what I'm asking for

[true talon]

so what? that means its better an easier. so the person whose doing it is smarter. just like melee is better than magic on base yama. you seem to only support one method being better if its one you deem as harder or more skillful.

[restive siren]

ye agreed, cheesing pinnacle content is lame

[plush gull]

u just said u were asking for regular normal bolt cap... u can even kill bloat with ruby bolts

its only tekton and overheads bosses that are immune to ruby bolts

[true talon]

You can do this with all pinnacle content.....

[plucky umbra]

It's pinnacle content, your reward is cosmetic, so the point is that you demonstrate mechanical competency

[plucky umbra]

How are you cheesing awakened Vard and Levi

[restive siren]

but nobody does and everyone does it on this yama contract. i wonder what the difference is...

[true talon]

Awakened leviathan, you stun it an place the rocks instead of prayer flicking.
Awakened vard you skip over the axes
Awakened duke - i dunno i guess you could afk kill him with recoil damage.
Awakened whisperer - dont do the ghost, eat though the damage after only hitting the sanity ghosts.

[plush gull]

🤔

[plucky umbra]

that's literally the way you're supposed to do those fights?

[plush gull]

a better example for vard would be eating through the captcha damage

[true talon]

When they develop garbage entry key system, then people using easier solves to get it done seems fine to me

[restive siren]

that is the worst list of examples ive read lmao

literally intended fight mechanics

[obsidian venture]

This is the dumbest rebuttal I’ve seen

[true talon]

Ya i agree, i couldnt think of many cheese methods for awakened. but i dont see a problem in having solves other than what you think is intended.

[obsidian venture]

You haven’t even done the awakened either?

You couldn’t cheese it if you tried

[plucky umbra]

yeah it's pretty obvious

[restive siren]

dont pretend that the contract where yama is only weak to crush was not intended to be meleed please

[obsidian venture]

You can’t think of them because they barely exist

[restive siren]

just intellectually dishonest

[meager flame]

i think its honestly more funny than anything

[true talon]

Ya i refuse to interact with that system as long as it has entry keys that take on average 6 hours to get a single one.

[meager flame]

really tops off how contracts went

not even like a bug or anything

just obvious and stupid

[true talon]

This is how most mechanics in osrs work.

[plucky umbra]

The point I'm trying to make is that the intention of the contract is that you're supposed to use melee, but there's no reason that a person would use melee over rubies. The "alternate strategy" is just strictly better

[obsidian venture]

River is fair in that it literally says crush only

[plush gull]

u should deiron ill give u some orbs and we can compete on who can get the farthest while punching awakened vard to death with guthix rests

[meager flame]

yeah its basically designer skill issue

[obsidian venture]

They even mentioned the wording being an issue in regards to demonbane on the contracts

Yet you can bolt glyphic

[true talon]

Fuck no, i have a main that im finish sooner or later for that. but torva is dead already anyways lol.

[meager flame]

i think its really dumb and definitely shouldn't have happened

[minor whale]

I'd argue it says he's only weak to crush, which just means he's got high resistance to everything else
You have about 0% chance to hit with ranged outside of natural ruby procs
I don't think this one is that egregious tbh

[meager flame]

but now that it did idk if its actually a problem

maybe more of an unfortunate lesson

[plush gull]

are any of the same people complaining that complained about the demonbane resistance???

how about we just make every weapon work roughly equally on yama like colo mobs

[restive siren]

yes everything should be like colo we get it

[rare grotto]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 i swear he's like asara but if he was the most unlikeable person ever

[true talon]

Im on the side of there is no right way to solve a problem. and there is no single way to do something. if someone justfies one way as easier than the other and mad, then thats a personal problem, not a design problem.

[rare grotto]

at least asara gives us a good chuckle

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

legit thinking the same

It’s the alt!

[meager flame]

i mean they obviously went to make a crush boss right

they just

didnt think

lmao

which i guess honestly is fine a lot of osrs bosses go that way

but

it should be a lesson they remember

aka if you really want to make players do something super specific

make sure they have to actually do that

[true talon]

I think the intention was weak to crush but your sport prayer bonus gear, unforunately the prayer bonus damage increase wasnt worth it. so they cranked it up and the outcome was ruby bolts being good now.

[plucky umbra]

I don't care that people are bolting it, but I want bolting it to be significantly worse than meleeing, rather than slightly better

[plush gull]

whats ur best kill time with inq mace

[plucky umbra]

Make the cost of bolting be that you have to do a 20 min kill

[true talon]

Also im willing to bet that crush contract had something to do with the delve boss reward XD

[restive siren]

so if there was a cheese for say sol heredit where you could just stand still and remove 80% of his mechanics, you would say thats a personal problem and not a design problem that should be fixed? Or if there was a cheese to not have to ever swap prayers on awakened levi? just personal problems ig

[valid jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/why-cant-we-be-friends-freddie-kreuger-darth-vader-dracula-jason-voorhees-gif-5469319

[restive siren]

removing the entire difficulty of a fight is a dumb cheese and should be fixed

[meager flame]

i think that would be more broken/bug territory

[restive siren]

it was an oversight

[meager flame]

everything on yama is actually working as designed

they just uh

out played themselves

idk they could change it but

its getting messy

like how many people saw this and then did it

[plucky umbra]

a lot

[hard axle]

Afka

They didn’t revert sensory clouding

[plucky umbra]

in a perfect world Jagex fixes it and makes them do it again, but at least fix it if nothing else

[restive siren]

nah they cant remove the kill

but just fix it and quickly

[obsidian venture]

Hm?

[meager flame]

yeah its just are they willing to keep creating multiple layers of people having kills off of bosses that don't even work like that anymore

or are they just going to say look it didn't work out exactly like we wanted it is what it is

now that people are doing it

[true talon]

Cant you just chicken yama with emberlight and then only have to dodge wave and do orbs.

[obsidian venture]

Maybe this is something they can look at 3 years from now

[true talon]

3 weeks wasted on this garbage content. coulda been used to make the base fight better.

[meager flame]

this is probably one of those things where they just never look at it again

[plucky umbra]

That method exists but is harder than anything else

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

assuming they don't choose to fix it like

[hard axle]

sir

[meager flame]

right now

[hard axle]

you do realize

[obsidian venture]

P3 contracts is good

[hard axle]

that melee is basically the harder version on ALL

[obsidian venture]

But that’s about it

[hard axle]

contracts right

[meager flame]

yeah i think contracts were almost really cool

[obsidian venture]

He doesn’t realize mate

[meager flame]

i dont even think its that bad

but imagine they just made one hard mode version of the boss

[true talon]

people chicken yama and sit in melee and just do 3 wave switch to kill the flares weaving in an auto every orb kill. doesnt look hard to me.

[obsidian venture]

His mind is so cooked by false info, he cannot fathom it

[plucky umbra]

the kit contracts are good, except glyphic needs a crush defense lowering and to be bugfixed. the rest are really fun fights

it's crazy that you have these takes and have not done, and don't seem to intend to do the content

[hard axle]

then do it

[obsidian venture]

Nothing looks hard to you because you are simply judging from the sidelines

[hard axle]

cuz every single person that has done it

HATES

sensory clouding

[restive siren]

the amount of arm chair gaming is wild

[obsidian venture]

Being a cheerleader and commenting is bizarre

[true talon]

https://youtu.be/S56CPsSsgLY?t=243

[hard axle]

like holy fk lmao

[obsidian venture]

That’s my homie wassup?

He’s done it

[plucky umbra]

sensory clouding was a bitch, it was well designed though. glyphic attenuation was a bitch and could use some work to reduce DWH rng at the start

[true talon]

He chickened it and sat in melee, you skip waves and get like 1 hit every other orb set

[obsidian venture]

Dude links toy like it means something

[plucky umbra]

if you can skip waves for 6 minutes while killing orbs you can do any of the other methods that are easier lol

in another channel I'm in with a couple radiant completions we all had the same response to him lol

[plush gull]

which of the contracts require more than 10% mage damage for purging staff to one shot orbs

[hard axle]

50% enrage made that harder than anything else

[plucky umbra]

divine severance, but it requires less now

[obsidian venture]

Tass chats way too much from the sidelines

[plucky umbra]

yeah but 50% enrage is so good and I want them to bring it to the base fight

[obsidian venture]

Cheerleading gaming is IN

[obsidian venture]

Yes

It’s a nice pattern

Got cleaved a few times tryna learn it

But once you do, it’s sweet

[plucky umbra]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1379622476568334417 jagex doesn't read this channel and this won't happen but I can dream

[obsidian venture]

But that’s the only part of the contract I like

Everything else is a step down from blorva

[plucky umbra]

the normal fight literally feels like slow motion after doing the kit fights

[true talon]

I agree with this, p1/p2 is absolute dumpster.

I also want the boss to actually phase

[plucky umbra]

ironically Yama would be really fun with invocations. I would love a fight that phases at 75% and 50%, has the faster attack speed and special landing time, has the p3 fireballs/shadow crash happen in p1/p2

that would be perfect

[obsidian venture]

Actually

These could have been duo too

Being tick perfect with a partner >>>

[thick beacon]

its much harder then it looks ive tried it and i ended up going kirby

honestly think rebbit meathod might be hardest way of doing sensory clouding

[pliant haven]

Everyone in here is preaching to a brick wall unless jagex is actively posting in here

[plush gull]

what should i preach to the brick wall about

[obsidian venture]

Usually J mods chat in on update days

Some read here as well till much later but might not answer

[plush gull]

goblin was in here like 2 hours ago

[tough nacelle]

They do post in here lol

And read it

[crude spruce]

the lack of an actual pride event or new item this year is very very disappointing especially considering how much time was put into the 2025 easter event in comparison. I've been looking forward to this since I started my account in September last year

[obsidian venture]

June 9th!

[crude spruce]

thats only the pride march, and its during American work hours so I cant take part 😔

[obsidian venture]

Well for a March ig

[vivid ruin]

The mob is insatiable

[true talon]

Clear these contracts was designed to be solo, they got backlash about not duo, they decided ok we make some duo, then they werent tested and they were impossible/two hard or bugged. released. fixed. made easier. just a lot of back tracking an damage control caused the product to fail.

[torpid delta]

i liked it, but then i like things that kick my ass in general... made winning feel good when i got it down

[crude spruce]

so you're just saying this in response to anyone saying anything about pride?

and this is allowed here?

[vivid ruin]

Why not

[plush gull]

@steel bobcat try dming that

[crude spruce]

your post history is crazy dawg

[vivid ruin]

Is it really? Is writing a statement that crazy?

[ember token]

(not how modmail works)

[plush gull]

wym

[ember token]

you dm the account

[plush gull]

thats what i said, i guess ill edit instead of saying it in a separate message

[rapid birch]

Just play while youre supposed to be working, its the osrs way

[ember token]

oh lol i thought you were pinging modmail to get the attention of the mods, my bad

[plush gull]

we should delete yama contracts and awakeners orbs as part of the pride event

[quartz anchor]

finally a pride event I could get behind

[tacit pendant]

How any of this conversation relates to todays game update is beyond me

[quartz anchor]

L

[vivid ruin]

My safe space 😭

[crude spruce]

losers

[vivid ruin]

Reported

[plush gull]

ppl r mad cuz no pride event with new items and story today

also because contracts and orbs havent been removed yet

also someone was upset that people are beating his melee divine divine severance time witb zcb and wants those kc taken away

idk what to think about it, i like the loadout variety, but he half convinced by promising fun melee methods that he didnt explain

they could probably just take a look at melee dps numbers to scale the times properly instead of removing the cool zcb method

[tacit pendant]

They wont ever get removed

Its ok to not like them. But at this point deep down. You know that calling for them to be removed is yelling into the void

[plush gull]

nah jmods have said theyre ok with making the useless 5.7k alchable that levi drops into an echo orb, goblin couldnt give me on a timeline on when itll be polled tho

hopefully theres more adjustments to contract acquisition next week

[plucky umbra]

https://youtu.be/jG05xEhsnkY?si=scurilGfT4VT-Gh3

this is a simplified version of the core method, but in the kit contracts you also have to adjust to the shadow waves being shifted a tile to the left or right sometimes

this is more fun but obviously much more difficult than just maging/ranging

also it's glyphic attenuation that's bugged, not divine severance

[plush gull]

i keep getting em confused cuz divine severance sounds like it should be the prayer bonus one but its the 1 where u have to lazy flick yama

[thick beacon]

thing though is u can also just lose ticks with that meathod for the scope of the contract

can just afk focus doging waves then hit it if u wanted to

[boreal gulch]

Have the added the ability to break down relics for ether yet?

[true talon]

No we got 2 more months of contract fixes

[formal sentinel]

I like how much easier it seems to get the cycle started with that compared to regular dono. I gotta find an easier way (for me/my mind) to start the cycle than "attack on the 3rd tick after you're spawned in"

[plucky umbra]

stand 2t away and click to attack when he starts raising his arm

that will mimic the attack timing of the 2nd hit in the dono cycle, so continue to the 3rd hit tile

[formal sentinel]

2 tiles, not ticks worth of tiles?

Cause watching the video rn after posting that, second attack is from 4 tiles away (3 b/w), then you move 5 tiles (3 ticks) afterwards to the next attack location, whereas if you attack from the delay/start tile, it's only 3 tiles/2 ticks. So it seems like you'd be gaining 2 ticks in that movement

[plucky umbra]

2 ticks worth of tiles, so 3 or 4 tiles away. that's if you're trying to get into a fly cycle like donofly

nofly doesn't care about attacking on a specific tick as long as you're away on the boss attack tick

but fly cycles do care

[formal sentinel]

Yeah I was going off Greg's donofly. I think I gotta get to the actual marker 1 (second attack location) and attack from there, based off the fireball locations

Oh wait, I think it works from starting on the right (west)-most part of N of Yama

[plucky umbra]

for the most part you can attack from the delay tile if you're soloing, you only need to skip a hit in duos to account for the delayed spawn potential

[pearl patio]

What’s bugged with Zcb?

[formal sentinel]

Yeah cause regular cycle will start on blue X and reach "2" on tick 5. Starting on Red "X" in this image would do the same:

Excuse the shitty Paint-quality lines for me to see the grid, and cursor-quality numbers

[plush gull]

just looked at a crossbow kill of glyph too, ngl that melee method looks easier than manually dodging every wave/fire

[hard axle]

I don't think it's bugged tbf

[formal sentinel]

I seem to mess up my timing and take a swing when soloing, so delaying first attack should help me get it squared up better while I'm learning

[plush gull]

i wouldnt call it a bug until arcane says oh yeah whoops, but prayer bonus damage boost in glyph contract applies to ruby bolt effects including going past the 100/110 cap

[plucky umbra]

the contract kills have shifted waves so you still have to manually dodge them

[pearl patio]

I assumed that was working as intended. It’s still like a 9 hour kill with zcb

[formal sentinel]

But you'd bring it just to spec with, no?

[hard axle]

I don't think it's bugged tbh, just an oversight of gauranteed hits after bolt procs

its like a 12 minute kill instead of 6-7

[pearl patio]

You just zcb auto and hope for 1/10 procs

It’s the glue eater method

[hard axle]

It's no different than just voidwaker specs despite crush-weak

[plush gull]

365,372,420(single wave),435,442

arent they just shifted 1 tile to the side

[formal sentinel]

IIRC there's 3 positions they can be, and it's random which one each wave is

IDR if the alternates are 1 tile to either side, or 1 & 2 tiles to the one side

[plush gull]

still probably easier to come up with a method to dodge the timings than manually dodge every one

[formal sentinel]

Only if they're consistent on which shifts appear when, no?
Otherwise you're still manually dodging, just now during a cycle

[plucky umbra]

regardless if it's bugged or an oversight, it should be removed. Glyphic is the one contract you're supposed to melee, it's a shame that someone can get the kit without ever learning how to melee the boss

[formal sentinel]

I suppose 2 sets of alternate tile patterns to switch to depending on the wave shift would do it, just be a lot of clutter

[pearl patio]

If they capped it the glue eaters would just do a 20 minute version of the kill

You have unlimited supplies cause u can brew to narnia

[plucky umbra]

yeah if people want to range it, whatever, but it shouldn't be competitive DPS with melee

limit it to 100/110 and have Yama insult you at the end and it's fine

[plush gull]

what if its not an oversight and they tested the fight and went dang its cool to see ruby bolts hitting over 200

sounds like something devs porting rs3 bosses might do

[pearl patio]

I mean it’s 2x slower I wouldn’t say it’s competitive

[plucky umbra]

it's slower than Inq mace kills but I saw people getting 10-11 minute clears, my clear was around 9 minutes with chainmace and pecanbreads cudgel kill was 14 minutes

its also not reliant on DWH/maul rng

missing hammers reduces your melee DPS by half

[formal sentinel]

Gotta horn yourself with an alt that teles out maybe? how many ticks after contract start can you hit Yama?

[plucky umbra]

idt this works, if it did the timing would be incredibly tight

Jagex should just make glyphic Yama have 30 crush def and be immune to mage and range damage

problem solved

[formal sentinel]

Horn should also just... work solo. It'd basically just be useful for def lowering specs in solos anyways

[rain fulcrum]

Nah

Just make it work with claws

[tacit pendant]

Its intended to be a group item. Claws buff or flop.

Oh no people will use dragon claws at nex and toa in groups god forbid

They might not even use claws at nex, becuase zcb is so good

Not even gonna mention dragon claws are already more accurate everywhere because of oathplate, so 100% accuracy in teams is less of a shift from todays gear

[velvet orchid]

I understand the logic behind this but in reality all this does is lead to toxicity between teammates as in theory it’s still a 10 hour pet for irons but deaths are way more punishing. Maybe you could make it so your teammate dies and you quick escape you get refunded the contract ?

[plush gull]

bruh i just tried yama again with arclight and its so easy compared to dh its insane, until i got to p2 void flares and died to them while trying to use trident of the seas+ahrims staff

im too bad for this fight

[velvet orchid]

Boss basically hard reqs a purging staff at-least solo

[plush gull]

its so annoying to hit void flares while trying to step away from yama so he doesnt melee me

[velvet orchid]

Do you mean p3?

[plush gull]

no p2

oh i forgot i need to just focus the shadow void flare since im stepping back for the fireball

they both share the same npc id 💀

too hard im gonna go do inferno instead

[plush gull]

the teleport scrolls are 60k and they teleport u to a spot where u can be aggrod by demons and die if ur afk lmao

[hasty shard]

how do you finish a ruby bolt kill though

do u just swap to diamond procs?

[plush gull]

melee

[hasty shard]

tempted to do that just because

ok but the whole point is to avoid meleeing

[plush gull]

dont have to swap until super low hp cuz ruby still does crazy damage

even at like <250 hp

diamonds would just take forever compared to 1 melee hit

[narrow folio]

Why do you need to step away? Just camp melee pray and swap if you need to?

[plucky umbra]

so disappointing that Jagex let this go on for so long lol, every time I look at a yama thread another rag bolter got a Glyphic kc

cheesing the 2nd hardest contract is so sad

[plucky umbra]

diamonds and voidwaker specs

[small anvil]

Yeah diamonds

Still do like 100+

From what I heard

I think it's hilarious that it worked

Like just waiting for natty bolt procs is just funny

But I do see the frustration

[tacit pendant]

"modify" on the ge just seems to abort offer with no option to modify lol. have 300m in bank, trying to buy torva legs. Maybe it's because the funds to buy a "second" pair of legs are held up in the "first" offer

[velvet orchid]

Pray melee and flick the mage/range autos you have plenty of time

[hasty shard]

[[void flare]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Void_Flare

[true talon]

Wtf is this gear setup and inventory.

[true talon]

I dont think its going to be changed, prob should get over it.

So disappointing that jagex let this go on for so long, everytime i look at infernal cape channel, another falador shield camper who took 30 days got his inferno cape without having to do any of the mechanics of managing his inventory.

[ember token]

it aborts if your inventory is full when you try to modify

[plucky umbra]

tbf it's 2025, inferno supply management isn't about prayer anymore, it's about not getting stacked out

[plucky umbra]

Gonna keep complaining here until a JMod tells me that they're fine with the method existing

[plush gull]

u can just camp deadeye with blowpipe the entire run and only lose 3% dps

[true talon]

Fair enough, sadly contracts are such a failure that they have undermined what a great boss base yama is. been 3 weeks wasted on fixing this garbage.

[hard axle]

sensory getting majorly buffed is rancid ngl

[plucky umbra]

buffed as in made easier or made harder?

[hard axle]

made harder

my peabrain cannot handle scobow, 3 staff, scowbow, etc.

[true talon]

I thought thats what the HLC wanted, some super difficult challenge that they could conquere to stand out and be special snowflakes. now your saying its to hard damn 😦

[plucky umbra]

yeah, it was definitely a standout from the rest in difficulty. Forfeit breath was like PNM difficulty, Divine severance was Awakened Duke, Bloodied blows was a touch easier than awakened Vardorvis, Glyphic attenuation was awakened Levi diffulty with melee (but is like a regular nightmare solo with ruby camp), and sensory clouding is the hardest content in the game rn

[true talon]

Seems fine to me, makes having white oathplate better i guess (even if it looks like shit)

[plucky umbra]

I don't think it's too hard though, all of them are a good difficulty

Glyphic Attenuation needs the bolt ragging strat removed and then needs to not be reliant on hammer rng

Sensory clouding is fine, you need to demonstrate true mastery of the fight and be able to juggle a lot of things at once

[hard axle]

I thought you signed up to be an ironman, self sustain, and not rely on others, but here you are buying runes with GP and crying for resources instead of managing for what you want

This is almost as stupid as the community saying "just figure it out" when one of the contracts was outright impossible.

Likewise, when you make a contract 50% harder than it previously was by HP bloat, which you complain about all the time at other content, and it was likely unintended, people will bring it up.

[hard axle]

I know, but point is that they did increase enrage from 33% to 50%, which is why it jumped up in difficulty so much.

I was expecting them to patch the Bloodied Blows because chancing yourself 6-10 times or having to rock cake each set of flares from 18 hp to not get chance didn't seem like good idea.

Aside from BB fixing the chancing, all of them jumped up in difficulty from release due to enrage being 1/2 the fight now instead of 1/3.

[plucky umbra]

I think the health reduction balanced out the phasing increase though

[hard axle]

That is true, but not all of them were equal

BB definitely was more or less equal because you still basically always max hit

[plucky umbra]

sensory clouding used to phase at about 1040 HP and now phases at 1250, so about a 200 HP increase. tough but not terrible given that the fight is shorter overall

[hard axle]

It looks like only BB and GA got tweaked down?

[plucky umbra]

didn't all of them get reduced HP last week, just BB and GA still have a boost over normal

[hard axle]

BB shifted from 1375 to 1500

[hard axle]

oh, it was, i skipped over this

Yama's health is no longer increased for all but two contracts.

I didn't play week 1

[hard axle]

that 200 hp is what got me on my pb run

[hard axle]

I'll complete this either way, but I do agree with your statement that it's mostly fair.

[plucky umbra]

most of the fights got a lot easier after week 1, sensory clouding got slightly harder but also you purging staff works there which is better DPS than shadow if you're using light water and you don't have to swap

[hard axle]

During first hour, I thought Forfeit Breath was rancid

Then I just overcame it

[plucky umbra]

glyphic is the standout problem child of the kit contracts

it's the only one reliant on spec RNG and the only one with a clear cheese method that removes the intended mechanics added by the contract

[hard axle]

meanwhile pet contract: 🧀 🧀 🧀 🧀 🧀 🧀 🧀

[plush gull]

it feels like this fight was hardly playtested

[hard axle]

yes and no

contracts definitely no

or it was tested with super mickey mouse items like rotten potato

[tacit pendant]

Ty

[tacit pendant]

Blorva legs with base oath helm and body looks genuinly good.

Sol heredit with one hammer dps comparison on TOO vs OOT. Torva legs setup is 90mil less gp atm

[hard axle]

so what ur saying is....

fashionscape

[tacit pendant]

Yes

[hard axle]

I'll lyk if it's ugly with whiteplate

probably is

[tacit pendant]

The difference in dps here is about equal to missing 1 scythe swing in 1000

For 90mil

[hard axle]

I used to hate the helm, but it's growing on me

except the feather

fuck the feather

[tacit pendant]

I actually like the feather, feels old school

Inquisitor looks better than all this

No cankles on blorva legs is the real winner here

Also my deadman orn kit is HOW much now jeez

[hard axle]

@plucky umbra I hate that my pb run has this in the inventory

https://i.imgur.com/dcdNajq.png

[pearl patio]

My scortching take is that inq doesn’t look that good

It’s mid

[hard axle]

it's a bit too skinny imo. same reason why i dont like bcp/tassets on female character

i actually don't like platelegs that much

most look like reskinned rune platelegs lmao

[tacit pendant]

Inquisitor, like oathplate, could use some chainmail

Unfort masori is probably my favorite pvm set

[plush gull]

current setup... managed to make it to p3. the hood switch lets u 3 shot p1/p2 flares but doesnt do anything for p3

[true talon]

Pls do WGS its been 3 weeks that setup is fucking awful.

or atleast duo with someone who has a purging staff

[plush gull]

i cant even afford a bring right now let alone a synapse

[true talon]

Well id hate to break it to you, but your bleeding more money with these garbage setups than you are gaining.

60k per teleport, 40k per sanfew, 20k per super combat

[plush gull]

yeah these teleports are insane

i only bought 10 not doing more after

[obsidian venture]

Truly wonder who you think is in Hlc and if you know anyone. No one asked for content that’s designed around a shit system and was ass on release.

Folks in endgame want a challenge, that’s repeatable without a gp to enter and is fun

[true talon]

That also prints lots of money for you and allows boosting to sell services (reason you were made over no duo contracts) but i agree repeatable with no entry key is what should be designed. i dont like exclusivity for the sake of trying to sink GP, they can go about it a different way than gate keeping content. whats point of developing the content if no1 can interact with it.

[atomic ember]

oh shit that bangs

[obsidian venture]

Stop confusing endgame players with wanting to service. That is not a thing folks get to endgame for lmao. It’s a thing that everyone, in any skill lvl or bracket, sadly partakes in

[austere mulch]

It’s been a few weeks, can we go ahead and get the polled version of Soulflame horn now - pls & ty

[obsidian venture]

Solos is easier to service as well. The fact that you parrot Reddit bullshit over actually knowing how things work is wild

[hard axle]

I already told him why irons are the majority buyer of services.

He brought up BA pet in DMs and I explained why almost no one has bought a full BA pet from services - It fucking costs 15b in leeches.

[obsidian venture]

If you are ignorant on the topic, respectfully just don’t answer instead of blathering some low iq nonsense

[hard axle]

Whereas irons get a legitimate benefit via red-x shamans, demonic tanks, bandos tanks (patched), splashers (patched)

[obsidian venture]

Give it another 3 years

[austere mulch]

1/3 chance to save a tick!!! But since you can’t kill things in partial damage, 1/15 chance to save a swing 💀

[austere mulch]

“As we focus on the release of delve, we promise to revisit Yama rewards in the future”

[hard axle]

Megascales are another "service" that are essentially irons-only because no one is fucking paying 30b for an olmlet drop

Out of this entire periodic rant by Tass, the only thing that remotely makes sense is the complaints about Orbs/Contracts because no one is ever happy with how it's balanced.

If they're too common, they suffer the Muspah Dust syndrome; it might as well not exist if it's that cheap.

If they're too rare, it's too expensive and irons get a rod shoved up their butt.

[tacit pendant]

Accounting for overkill makes it even closer yeah. But on a sol heredit with infinite hp its actually 1 swing missed in 868. My bad. Torva helm lovers rejoice

[tacit pendant]

And you know ima plus 1 everytime u post this into the void

[hard axle]

Really hope they make horn viable in solo, but outright bis in duo

whether it's just an accuracy buff, min-hit buff for solo

and then gauranteed + extra shit for duo

[jovial sentinel]

even if it works solo, i very much doubt it can ever be 'balanced' and end up being useful over other specs

without becoming the default

[warm storm]

it's really silly that bringing an alt in to yama solos to literally stand there afk and die is so much better than not

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, the spec itself was always going to be abused hard

[hard axle]

Depends on the niche. For example, if it makes EM as accurate than BGS at Duke, that's way better.

[jovial sentinel]

but if its needed to make something accurate on a boss, thats either a problem with the boss, or a mechanic that you're now trying to ignore

[hard axle]

we'd have to see the average reduction

[jovial sentinel]

so either, you want a mechanic solved to ignore it, or the boss is broken and should be changed

in no case should an item be that sort of solution

[tacit pendant]

Yeah id rather bosses guarantee maul over having it work solo

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, thats kind of it. people want to solve a problem in a complex way, instead of just approaching the problem itself

maybe a defence reducing spec should always hit, even if theres no damage.

[hard axle]

ehh, that would also be bad

[jovial sentinel]

why would that be bad?

[minor whale]

I dunno, I think tradeoffs for content/bosses is fine
Make horn cost 50% spec to use solo, don't make bosses always guarantee it
If you have an item that guarantees a spec it should probably be the thing that guarantees specs

[hard axle]

it would kill a lot of reason to use BGS

which isnt many to begin with

[jovial sentinel]

well, lets assume BGS gets the same benefit

[tacit pendant]

Agree

[jovial sentinel]

at worst, it gets a minimum reduction

[hard axle]

the entire point of maul being on crush is that if a boss wants to be giga resistant to crush, bgs is still an option

[warm storm]

50% spec for solo sounds like a great compromise to me

[tacit pendant]

Bgs did get a buff in oathplate atleast

50% spec in all scales 1-3. Works on claws as polled?

[warm storm]

there are still plenty of times you want to bgs because it more efficiently reduces defence (e.g. the % reduction is less than the expected bgs hit)

[minor whale]

I just don't think bosses should be designed to intentionally have their defense always be reduced by guaranteeing a hit outside of horn
At that point just make the boss have 35% less defense always and delete Elder Maul/DWH if that's the plan
Let it be 2 chances of 50% to reduce or 1 100% chance to reduce
It's a tradeoff

[jovial sentinel]

so you're saying that defence reduction shouldnt be a thing?

theres an amount of defence where the reduction will always be more desirable

[minor whale]

No, defense reduction is fine, but designing bosses to guarantee a hit just seems like it's a pointless circle

[jovial sentinel]

why?

because thinking reasonably, if we're chasing top numbers, you dont have a choice anyways.

in any case

[minor whale]

It's just extraordinarily lazy
Why give a boss 100% chance to hit maul (outside of horn which could be tweaked to have a tradeoff ie 100% spec cost to guarantee 1 maul hit) when you could just
Not have that be the mechanic

[jovial sentinel]

you could say that about any mechanic

[warm storm]

duke is an interesting boss where BGS and VW are roughly equal timesave (at least in torva/scythe max when i calced it)

i pick vw every time because the chance to miss your def reduction feels awful

[jovial sentinel]

mechanics being added are to give variance to the game

otherwise, lets just use 1 spec weapon on 100% of bosses

[tacit pendant]

50% in solos and duos and trios while still making dragon claws cracked would be reasonable i feel? Trading an entire claw worth of spec in a trio for 3 guaranteed max rolls feels ok to me

[jovial sentinel]

dont have styles.

ect.

[minor whale]

But I'm not though, I'm saying guaranteeing defense reduction is just a bad mechanic
I don't think it should be a thing, I dislike that it's a thing at Tekton, etc

[jovial sentinel]

the problem people want solved, as i understand it, is that missing defence reduction bricks your fight

[small anvil]

Defense reduction costs spec

[minor whale]

If there's an item that guarantees it, fine

[small anvil]

It trades off vw or claws damage

[minor whale]

But just making "first dwh or maul always hits" is just silly

[jovial sentinel]

but why is the item giving the spec that guarenteeing it not fine?

why slap on an additional spec to make a weapon functional?

or at least reliable

[minor whale]

Because the extra 50% spec cost is the tradeoff

[warm storm]

guaranteed maul on tekton is one of the better improvements that came with the cox buffs

[minor whale]

If you hit 1 maul you now have 50% spec to play with for other things

[jovial sentinel]

then imo, it shouldnt be horn

it should be a worse defence reduction thats balanced accordingly and 100% accurate

[minor whale]

Like bone dagger

[jovial sentinel]

sure, except bone dagger isnt really balanced. its garbage

because its an early game option

[warm storm]

it's a lv10 weapon or w/e lol

[tacit pendant]

Dragon voidhammer

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, it can seem balanced, but its what, 100% on first hit only for 10%?

i dont remember

[small anvil]

Obviously we need bone hammer to guarantee a hammer hit

[tacit pendant]

Oh ill show u a bone hammer (mods pls forgive)

[small anvil]

It may shock you to learn there is no bone in that body part

[minor whale]

I mean
100% spec (maul + horn) for 100% chance to reduce by 35%
50% spec (just maul) for accuracy% chance to reduce by 35%
50% spec (new item) for 100% chance to reduce by...I dunno, 15%?

Wouldn't be terrible

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, i think theres a bunch of ways to balance it

[tacit pendant]

Make emberlight spec 100% accurate

[jovial sentinel]

many dials, wouldnt bother to try and theorycraft that

[rare grotto]

idk i agree because if stuff is guaranteed then they HAVE to add extra defence to it to compensate. But also it's just weird u can have it be guaranteed in duo+ for 0 meaningful gameplay

[jovial sentinel]

im not even sure thats a better option than just 100% on bosses either btw

[minor whale]

I would just rather have an item have the effect of guaranteeing a hit rather than the boss having it

[rare grotto]

might as well make it for solo

[jovial sentinel]

you can miss the damage imo

but the effect still works

it might be better, but im not sure

[tacit pendant]

And yeah were not getting any of these changes anyways rip horn

[jovial sentinel]

imo if you spend a spec for an effect, it should be balanced around that important effect activating

[warm storm]

i think the osrs team has learned from toa and is moving away from giga defence encounters

thank god

[small anvil]

It's only 125 for double hammer guarantee with horn

[jovial sentinel]

now, damage is based around acuracy

thats more quantifyable in choice

defence reduction isnt

[rare grotto]

this is why they were concerned about vw

[tacit pendant]

God forbid we get rewarded for crossing up verzik to nail the team horn call out with big claws

[rare grotto]

specs are downright broken if they're guaranteed

[jovial sentinel]

i agree

[rare grotto]

so u'd have to re-balance them all

[jovial sentinel]

but it would be balanced around it, yeah

but keep in mind i think damage should be seperate

should still be able to splash 0

but effect still happens

[hard axle]

yeah exactly

they already showed the math

400% bonus accuracy is nowhere near as strong as gauranteed

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, like 30% is assumed to work x amount of the time. and 100% accuracy should be reducing that to the expected reduction

its kind of a good point on why horn is bad in general. you think the extra spec cost is 'fine', but is it really? shouldnt the weapons be balanced on being less frustrating, rather than creating a solution to their problem.

[small anvil]

I'm ok with hammer being just the wrong call at some bosses

[rare grotto]

it's just an odd situation. Missing is bad but it's a necessary evil in this game that keeps it fresh

i don't know the solution to it

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, its more that is bricking a fight acceptable due to random chance?

[rare grotto]

if everything was like warden p2 i'd be bored out of my mind

[jovial sentinel]

its all feel bad, no feel good

no skill involved.

just bad because rng. imo that has no place in games.

[rare grotto]

it's what makes getting good rng feel so good

[jovial sentinel]

thats true.

[rare grotto]

this game would be incredibly dull if u couldn't swing big

[jovial sentinel]

but id ague that enabling isnt part of that

you dont really feel good hitting the expected spec

just bad when you miss

[rare grotto]

i mean if bgs hits big its like cocaine to me

[jovial sentinel]

i agree with you there, but disagree thats the same here

[rare grotto]

vs miss/loww

[jovial sentinel]

oh yeah, agreed. imo if bgs were to be included, it should be 10% or 5% of its max reduction or something

[small anvil]

I think frustratingly high defense in the proper style is annoying

[jovial sentinel]

something, but not nothing

and damage also should still not change at all

[rare grotto]

mayhaps. I just think trying to reduce variance may not play out the way u hope it will

[rare grotto]

fair point

[jovial sentinel]

i dont know what would be balanced btw

just exploring the topic

[tacit pendant]

I mean defense caps actually serve to ensure missing a hammer isnt THAT much of bricking a fight

[jovial sentinel]

it does somewhat keep things with high defence from being really hard though

because if it is, you'll be swinging, and resetting on miss

[distant sigil]

Can we report bugs in this discord?

[knotty herald]

If it's an in-game bug you can right click the report button and do it in-game

[tacit pendant]

Just need a stab def reduction weapon to have all the possible levers to pull ig

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, specific type reduction sounds interesting

[rare grotto]

when are you resetting

[jovial sentinel]

i mean, if fight is hard, you're usually needing peak efficiency to succeed.

[small anvil]

Def reduction is too all or nothing is what I would say

[jovial sentinel]

defence reduction being important there would mean that if its not reduced, you wont succeed.

[rare grotto]

got any examples

[jovial sentinel]

they dont exist in game, so no

[small anvil]

Rather it was like 30% if you hit, 15 if you splash

[jovial sentinel]

that was what i said.

[warm storm]

corp is the only boss that comes to mind where you tele until you get a few specs

[tacit pendant]

Ig emberlight is a stab def reduction, but ass against non demons and no demons are weak to stab (ithink)

[jovial sentinel]

corp might be a good example.

[tacit pendant]

Not touching corp in this sweepup is a tragedy

[jovial sentinel]

especially if you assume the fight does not persist if you teleport

[small anvil]

Corp has too much long term value baked into it

[tacit pendant]

Harm getting buffs, eye getting released, arcane sigil more and more relevant

[small anvil]

They just don't wanna touch it

[jovial sentinel]

too worried about items becoming less valuable

[stuck warren]

Is there a pride event this year?

[jovial sentinel]

and not on whether its fun

[small anvil]

It's a economic bomb no one wants to defuse

[jovial sentinel]

i say fuck the economic problems. try and solve them, but they arnt that important

[tacit pendant]

I mean just making it have nex loot would have people massing it on mobile

Thats the only change that i feel is NEEDED. But id want more

[plush gull]

my last chasm teleport 😭 i dont have good enough memory and its too hard to see whether flares are red or purple

[jovial sentinel]

but yeah, making something that people would actually want to do is apparently bad, because that could also tank prices

making things fun becoming a bad thing is crazy

[tacit pendant]

Corp also should be fun because corp has actual bis tied to it

[plush gull]

why dont they just let void flares have different npc IDs for radius markers, learning the wrong things from vard head. artificial difficulty by making things annoying to see is not good design. also why forbid visual sounds plugin 💀

[tacit pendant]

Imagine if jagex starts making moons style high level content and irons actually want ely. Youll never hear the end

[pearl patio]

What the fuck is happening with this client

[small anvil]

I'm gonna guess some level of color blindness

[gaunt kestrel]

respectfully mb if you were more zoomed in or your screen wasnt cluttered up with nonsense you'd see better

not tryna flame you but you could be actively working against yourself

unless you have some degree of color blindness i think you should be able to tell

[tacit pendant]

Actively working against themselves is like their thing

[plush gull]

even at max zoom void flares can spawn where u cant even see them unless u use certain camera angles, and thats even worse

[plucky umbra]

have you tried not playing from outer space?

[true talon]

We coulda got the elder warhammer which is 1 handed eldermaul.

[gaunt kestrel]

well if you zoomed in, you'd see the one beside you is red

and you wouldnt run to the red glyph

you're also running a turbo scuff setup so you're doubly playing against yourself

[true talon]

Hes burning 60k teleports to try an kill yama with void, normal trident and arclight. because he doesnt want to do WGS.

[hard axle]

@plucky umbra okay, you're right

now that I am no longer raging

https://i.imgur.com/h7GmgAy.png

was all about getting the cycle down

bow spec, 1, 2, 3, bow spec

[plucky umbra]

gz!

such a good feeling to get it done

[hard axle]

sensory clouding is still racially motivated

glad to finish this in 2 days

[warm storm]

ya this change feels like a no-brainer for mains but i wouldn't want to see it for irons

[tacit pendant]

thats fair

[glass remnant]

what

[warm storm]

i also think solo corp is fun though, so

[hard axle]

that sentence definitely makes sense and im not losing my mind

[true talon]

Facts, there will always be a economic problem if the content is extremely fun and players constantly send it, the value of the items will drop. it doesnt matter how rare they make them. if the content is good for bots, bots will send it an crash the price. there is no way to actually win. for some reason people dont want old items or content to lose meaning or value, but at sametime want new content to print money and remain good gp/h forever.

Its why raid uniques are falling so bad outside of mega rares

[jovial sentinel]

fun > economy

economy important

[true talon]

Raids are fun, people love to send raids, many enter the game and not many leave it.

[jovial sentinel]

but not at the expense of fun (fun in general, you should argue economy reliant fun as the main part of that)

[true talon]

Thats why you play iron as your grinds will never be invalidated as they are steps towards your newer goals. you did the grinds so that you can get the item you use at your next one. you dont care you spent 10 hours getting a leaf battle axe which is worth 50k.

[hard axle]

why is this so true @plucky umbra

https://i.imgur.com/QYTWxki.png

[warm storm]

nerfing corp or allowing irons to mass it does invalidate the much harder solo grinds they have already completed for corp items

[glass remnant]

real

[warm storm]

is that a big deal or worse than leaving corp as is, is up for debate i guess

[hard axle]

please rework corp

https://i.imgur.com/PTP7eJq.png

the contribution system works

or add corporael core or some shit and make that contribution system

[true talon]

Idc tbh, some grinds are meant to be invalidated. people support fixing phosani/nightmare despite doing 16k normal nightmare for their uniques.

[hard axle]

it doesn't invalidate it imo

[warm storm]

ya that's a fair take

[true talon]

I walked both ways uphill to get to school everyday, doesnt mean the people in the future should endure the same problems.

[hard axle]

invalidation only happens when you take something like tbow, make a baby version of it that is outright better, and then stick it onto cave crawlers

[warm storm]

the biggest issue i have with letting irons do nexified corp is that it will be boosted with chickening services

[hard axle]

:and:

[warm storm]

i think iron boosting is lame

[true talon]

This is a problem for jagex to fix with boosting and services. it needs to really need to disapear.

[hard axle]

it's not even boosting or services

people will alt their own accounts, dummy

[true talon]

oh for sure

[hard axle]

ur dentge

even if you stick all irons on their own world, people will just make iron alts

[true talon]

Easy fix, only allow irons to group with other irons

[hard axle]

[hard axle]

iron alters now

[true talon]

iron alting is much harder to do

[hard axle]

it really aint

[warm storm]

ur wild if you think getting drops isn't much harder than buying the gear on ge lol

[true talon]

God imagine how bad nex corp would be with contribution scaling

its a 1/527 to hit the table for corp btw 😛

[hard axle]

no like, the prospect of getting an iron to alt for you

isn't hard

there might be less of you, but that doesn't change the fact that iron-grouping-with-other-irons isn't much different than alted by mains

[warm storm]

honestly not a bad solution imo, the best one i've heard so far

[warm storm]

it's entirely different than having purpose-built alt accounts and services

[true talon]

I mean current corp method is personally fine, they can fix it up to were corp dont heal if you leave, then it will be perfect.

[hard axle]

and once you get your account up to that point, you are basically a viable iron alt yourself