you'l take your toadflax seeds and enjoy it
#game-update
tiny otter
meager flame
then the toa nation attacked
im talking like over 100k before cox existed
when gp was worth something
lament peak
I stopped doing contracts long ago
slender vapor
I think souls war botting did more damage than toa tbh
tiny otter
just really dedicated players
nocturne solstice
Its also interesting with the ToA seed nerfs since its a point nerf not a quantity nerf 🤔
Surely in 3 years when more invos are added (especially since it's been made easier now) we'll get more points and just end up with the same amount of seeds we get now?
icy relic
i don't have image perms but rs3 is going through the same nerfbat right now and it's really funny
jagex released stats on boss drops
ember token
rs3 is going through significantly bigger nerfs I think
nocturne solstice
I heard the rs3 nerfbat is much much harsher
icy relic
and ONE boss drops 95% of all the spirit weed seeds in the game
slender vapor
Rs3 got hit way worse
icy relic
...but nothing else drops it
slender vapor
Like 70%-90% nerfs
icy relic
so they are just thanos snapping that stuff out of existence
icy relic
I haven't played RS3 in a while but I streaked both my lengs at glacor
and oh my god I have no idea how they let that slide for so long
the loot is so disgusting
but yeah after people are used to those drops for years and years, now jagex cares about integrity all of a sudden
tiny otter
who knew 80% of 1 thing dropping from 1 place could be bad
slender vapor
Ngl, I think shoving torstol seeds into "elite" farming contracts to take the edge off of iron collection rates, along with the 40% cut from toa and the 100% cut from soul wars would be a pretty clean solution
Contracts cannot be spammed and don't need the unreasonable bulk toa drops to be worth it
tiny otter
elite contracts by itself?
slender vapor
No, but make a new tier
Good seeds, more kwa, cadantine, torstols, snaps, all the shit that irons are kinda starved for
Make it come from farming
That's an elegant solution that fits what jagex wants to do anyways
tiny otter
probably have an easier time for that then getting white lilly seeds from ANYWHERE else
slender vapor
The issue is hard contracts kinda starve you of torstols, kwarums and cadantines
And snaps aren't that common either
I'd much rather see another tier added that drops better high tier seeds
tiny otter
tldr, theres too many bad seeds
meager flame
im ngl
tiny otter
in the loot pool
meager flame
i dont know where i got all of my torstols
but i've completed almost all of the pvm content in the game
tiny otter
I have 5 torstol seeds and 21herbs I cant wait
meager flame
and i can still make like 10k super combats
so
theres definitely not a supply issue lmao
tiny otter
toa, just like glacor in rs3 supplies the vast majority of torstols
slender vapor
Cutting it down is fine, but torstols do need to be put somewhere thematic, in less bulk
tiny otter
it's a funnelling issue
1 activity cant supply that many
especially one that people do for NOT SEEDS
slender vapor
Doesn't cox also shit torstols too?
Yeah 1-161 torstols 2x 1/33
So torstols are basically raid locked in supply
tiny otter
which is..20-25seeds
slender vapor
-20% nerf
tiny otter
divert the raid stuff into anything else
tada
I dont particularly want to have to camp zygomites but I will
slender vapor
I do think it's funny that to truly supply super combats, anti venom+ and surge pots, you have to have already raided a ton
I had like 31 super combats before I started toa
tiny otter
torstols are mythical pre raids
slender vapor
I'm at like 1300 4 dose now
And very few of those were hard contract or muspah loot
Hard contracts probably gave me like 10 torstols going from 87 to 97 herblore
lament peak
I've got ~4000 4 doses, 3000 torstols, and 47 seeds, but I farmed 2 Venators lol
slender vapor
Muspah is 2 x 1/44 for 4 torstols
That's hardly the biggest contributing factor I think
And 2x 1/500 for 3 seeds
tiny otter
actually need to try muspah soon, maybe nows the time
slender vapor
Muspah melee phase is kinda cancerous
I can't longterm grind it personally
I got enough dust to saturate my heart and yeeted out
tiny otter
not tried it post quest and expecting to be slapped about tbh
lament peak
once you learn the step back method it's pretty chill
slender vapor
I hate his tank stats more than anything
The fight grinds to a slog
Maybe fang will change that
Peak starving iron tech
Or at least make him actually weak to magic that isn't a shadow
That'd be nice
tiny otter
and just run around or?
tiny otter
and thats not a bug? wtf
icy relic
they removed step back at some point but everyone rioted
so they put it back as an intended mechanic
compact flicker
There's a supply issue before you get to raiding
Not even, I only have around 50 ToA done and I was already fine before then
Did get a bunch from chambers though after almost 500kc
slender vapor
I mean yeah, but that's also half my point
The only real source as is, is from raiding
500 cox still dumps torstols on you
icy relic
you know what I think toa really needs actually
not resetting on death
right now there's no point taking softcore run because you can't restart without salt anyway
at least you can slog through olm and get something for your troubles if you die
slender vapor
Legit just stat deflation and 1 shot mechanics being tuned down
That's all toa needs, along with the drop rates being tuned against 400 8 man's
Cap solo rates at like 350-400 and they're mostly fine
glass remnant
only 50 kills down my slayer task and i got 3 contracts lul, this new update rocks
nocturne solstice
right now there's no point taking softcore run because you can't restart without...
Id say the point is guaranteed no 500k death fee 
Nice for people that still arent confident I guess
thick beacon
That's all toa needs, along with the drop rates being tuned against 400 8 man's
ye i feel like problem is insane chance at higher teams
itd discourage big team forming but just cap it at 30% chance or something imo or 25% max per raid imo
prob worth doing 3-5mans still depending on raid lvl
final frigate
Low invo toas are way too easy and rewarding
But it's hard to change that cause it'll have the most backlash
You already have countless people trying to snipe a fang before they nerf rates
meager flame
you probably wont really convince anyone to care about those either thats just not where the loot is really coming from
meager flame
low invo toas are people who dont really know what they're doing but they're trying to get into trying the raid
people running close to 50% purple rate all day
are where the items are being printed
final frigate
Yeah that's part of low invo
restive siren
what do you mean by low invo
tiny otter
inb4 low is 400
restive siren
🛌
final frigate
375-440 ish with 440 being a reasonable high end for no shadow
restive siren
yeah those are too rewarding. but i doubt many people would call that low invo
so just a misunderstanding of word usage
meager flame
ya we're talking about the same th ing
thing*
it needed to just be straight up clamped
final frigate
I mean that's what people with budget setups and irons with bowfa no fangs can run
meager flame
before rewards could scale up as high as they can
tiny otter
almost 3 years old, wild
meager flame
like
honestly there shouldn't be a raid level in the game where you go beyond 20% purple chance
and thats honestly huge compared to any raid that isn't toa or a scaled cox
final frigate
The % itself doesn't matter since it's multiple people's %s combined
meager flame
no it does tob did it right
final frigate
Like 20% raid with 2 people is just 2 solos 10% each
meager flame
you get the same % doesn't matter how many people are in the raid
its just not how this game works really to give people insanely generous rates
you dont want it to be too terrible but like
final frigate
Yes but tob you're soft forced into teams
meager flame
people will just sit there and raid all day every day and if you want the stuff to be worth anything
it just can't be that common
final frigate
If everyone could solo tob many would
Cause it'd just be a hard multiplier on loot
meager flame
plus jagex never would've thought of this before but i bet they know now
final frigate
If solo toaer gets 10% a run what do you say a duo should get for the same raid level
meager flame
i bet if people weren't trying to run 540s and instead were just sending 350s and trying to go fast
they'd have a lot more fun with toa
final frigate
Not ~20%?
meager flame
but the reward structure doesn't work like that so people push their invos
and then complain about the scaling
final frigate
That has nothing to do with team scales
The invo/raid level system and team scale structure are different things
slender vapor
50% rate for 8 man 400s is still a purple every hour
meager flame
ya im not saying they're the same thing
final frigate
50% rate for 8 man 400s is still a purple every hour
Yeah they should lower % on these
meager flame
if i were actually doing the %s and trying to balance solo vs teams
final frigate
Any nerf applied to solo will also be on teams as well
There doesn't need to be a separate team scale punishment
meager flame
i'd just be looking for solo to be like ~15% worse than teams
final frigate
If solo 400 goes from 8% to 6%, then team 400 will also eat a 25% nerf
meager flame
so that people were rewarded for dealing with other people basically
but not so bad that people who actually want to solo couldn't justify it
the big problem though for toa specifically
meager flame
is that it scales too well in a way lol
final frigate
Both mechanically and just straight up damage taken wise
icy relic
I hate solo toa so much
meager flame
i dont really find team toa to be easier mechanically assuming im actually not leeching some guy doing akkha for me more or less
final frigate
That's why you see tons of team toa runners be completely clueless in solo
meager flame
solo doesn't even have several of the mechanics
final frigate
Like team toa you could run even 100+ raid levels higher than you're capable solo
Team akkha just requires the team to be human beings and stand still
Solo you take 75 unavoidable damage at p1 vs duo you take 44
Every single ball set
Redx, butterfly, p2 melee tank all favours teams
icy relic
you just lose so many runs in solo toa over one misclick
final frigate
And on top being able to plank and still have somebody else finish a run
final frigate
Like team toa you could run even 100+ raid levels higher than you're capable sol...
^
icy relic
esp like last phase of wardens
final frigate
You see somebody running team mid 400s and think wow they're pretty good at toa
icy relic
if you are good enough in team and can make it to last row it's usually good enough
final frigate
Then they perma plank solo 350s
icy relic
but there is no good enough in solo
final frigate
So if anything they need to hit team scales harder than solos if they're going to differentiate it
icy relic
scales have always been the problem
meager flame
you kinda cant but i guess i can think of a way to do it
nobody would like it though
lmao
icy relic
cap the purple rate lower
final frigate
I mean yeah it's be convoluted, imo just nerf based on raid levels and leave it at that
meager flame
you'd have to just say look you see this raid level 350 % chance at loot
thats the cap
that would hurt team rates a lot
final frigate
The current 425 kit or 450 mog thresholds would be a nice separator since most people cap out at around 400s cheesing awful invocations
meager flame
it would also ding solos but not as bad
final frigate
And higher % bump at 425+ would at least encourage them to run the raid somewhat efficiently
meager flame
or you'd have to say the loot only scales with X number of players
and if you get more people beyond that you're just not getting more points
final frigate
People love running terrible 350-400s
meager flame
the problem is that teams need to be more efficient to do than solos
otherwise nobody would ever do a team raid
final frigate
Just need to lower rates around thst point
tiny epoch
pathmaster 400 
final frigate
Ps ovl od 380
icy relic
you just need to offset the solo fail rate for team to be worth
final frigate
Definitely human runs
Just go to toa world and see team listing
Gives you all the info you need
Also doesn't help that there are some awful resources out there for toa but that's a separate topic
tiny epoch
any resource that suggests to 6tick redx baba is awful !
final frigate
Surely there's no existing method that lets you mitigate most of baba's chip damage while also making the fight engaging and interactive with room for skill expression
Oh wait there is
Unlucky
Guess we just lose that
icy relic
I don't care anymore, after donoflying/noflying yama for 700 kills, I've proven my ability to click on marked tiles and feel like I've earned the right to afk baba
meager flame
yeah i mean thats the tragedy of both the baba and akkha changes
they make it better if you do the bosses in the most direct and braindead manner you could but lol
if you actually ever learned how to really do them its just going to be a worse experience after the changes
restive siren
i mean people always come up with the wildest new tech, see yama. and they explicitly stated they dont want to kill butterfly and they will do internal testing to ensure that (you can not trust that ofc) but id not be too worried rn
plain prawn
If jagex removes akkah butterfly, we riot at falador
final frigate
i mean people always come up with the wildest new tech, see yama. and they expli...
yet they're killing 5:1 so
with 0 acknowledgement
it is what it is
famous content creator doesn't do it so it must not exist
slender vapor
Butterfly is arguably completely innocent uses of game mechanics
Red x tech is clearly misintended bug abuse of the highest caliber
hasty shard
just had a braindead thought cross my mind
'make blighted supplies only work when skulled'
slender vapor
Butterfly is achievable with immaculate movement. Red x is just straight janking out the games mechanics
hasty shard
technically 5:1 is still viable its just like way less important
baboon tick loss innit
slender vapor
Even door alter tech for bandos, like you can't look at that and legitimately think that's not straight bug abuse
"Yeah I just take 0 damage from the boss by glitching the fuck out of its AI and now do 80 kill trips solo"
plain prawn
Jagex should not change toa to the point where soloing it at high invo becomes impossible. I hate raiding with parties and having to split loot or having a raid fail cuz my teammate didn't do their part well
Sometimes I just want to kick back and solo end game content
It's a shame that solo TOB feels impossible, but aleast right now we can solo TOA and COX, which is nice
Even though osrs is a multi-player game, a lot of us just want to play it as if it's a single player game
sacred oracle
it's a raid
tiny epoch
Butterfly is achievable with immaculate movement. Red x is just straight janking...
are you familiar with 5:1?
sacred oracle
some people might say a raid, of all things, shouldn't reasonably be soloable at all
viscid zephyr
Yeah its an MMO. They're under no obligation to make anything solo.
plain prawn
Nope. Some of us just want to solo every content in the game.
Make it an option, not a necessity
plain prawn
Open ur eyes pls
viscid zephyr
Can say the same.
plain prawn
Runescape is sandbox game thats meant to be played in multiple ways
Go back and cut ur logs
plain prawn
Bro must be living under a rock
viscid zephyr
Because I don't expect something like a raid to be soloable in an MMO?
plain prawn
Yep
viscid zephyr
Solo is a bonus not the expectation and fortunately, Jagex agrees.
slender vapor
They even tweaked virzik to make soloing her doable
Most of this game is designed to be soloed
plain prawn
But not designed for it.
Have u even gotten ur fire cape bro
nocturne solstice
Its fine to disagree with them but don't resort to insults and trying to get someone's credentials to have an opinion.
Just discuss why everything soloable is better 
tiny otter
Cause its not a solo game.
the past 20years wants a word
final frigate
low effort bad faith troll wcyd
viscid zephyr
Royal Titans can be solod, not designed for it. Huey, Corp, GWD, all the raids, Yama, etc.
All soloable, not designed to be.
Even KQ
nocturne solstice
To be fair Tempo said "becomes impossible", I'm fine with content just being a bit tougher solo.
LIke the ones you just mentioned
viscid zephyr
Right, its a bonus.
tiny otter
brb gonna go solo nex
viscid zephyr
But by no means the expected way and you shouldn't expect them to facilitate that.
plain prawn
Yknow I'm right tho
nocturne solstice
I think it is kinda expected from players at this point buut I'm kinda more inclined to agree with you in that it shouldn't be designed for solo.
Just if people do it solo then good for then.
Like how Yama hp doesn't scale down for solo
fair comet
I soloed the Inferno about a month ago!
tiny otter
I cant wait to do it as a team
nocturne solstice
huge
viscid zephyr
Scurrius is group content but is designed to have a solo option.
Raids aren't.
And if they were they should have drastically reduced rates.
tiny otter
scurrius has a solo option as it's the lowest part of the totem pole
slender vapor
Toa 100% was deigned to be soloed
viscid zephyr
Then they'll keep it that way.
nocturne solstice
Is scurry solo worse? less hp by a large amount and xp being the main reason for scurry and all
I guess more spine drops might make up for it
restive siren
think solo is a lot better actually
viscid zephyr
My point really just being that its clearly designed to have a solo option for something that is group content while raids do not.
knotty herald
Solo scurrius has less def also
nocturne solstice
What about solo group scurry on an empty world
restive siren
My point really just being that its clearly designed to have a solo option for s...
ToA is very clearly designed to be soloable
it just depends on the specific piece of content, there is no hard rule anywhere
viscid zephyr
And like I said, it'll stay that way if they intended it to be.
restive siren
they make it up as they go
nocturne solstice
ToA kinda does with the mechanics being a bit different like monkey puzzle no DD and kephri puzzle room
Definitely agree about the other 2 raids though
plain prawn
Ngl, TOB needs to be reworked so that it's soloable too
fair comet
Definitely not
restive siren
just be good and solo it now
nocturne solstice
Solo tob is entry mode for quest completion
plain prawn
As an ironman, TOB gotta be soloable
viscid zephyr
Honestly, you don't even have to be friends with the person, just go join a group lol
plain prawn
nothing is worse than forced grouping
My point exactly
viscid zephyr
No one is forcing you to do the group content.
nocturne solstice
Grouping should just be expected in MMOs tbh
viscid zephyr
Playing an MMO and being afraid of grouping is wild.
nocturne solstice
But I do understand wanting content to be Soloable
plain prawn
Playing an MMO and being afraid of grouping is wild.
Sorry but not everyone can hold ur hands through this video game bro
tiny otter
runescape has never really been an mmo aside from marketing
it's like calling chess as a sport
nocturne solstice
Its been an mmo since the beginning what do you mean
true talon
just had a braindead thought cross my mind
'make blighted supplies only work whe...
This worst take than anything i can come up with 😦
nocturne solstice
MMOs were just different back then, more of a social hub
viscid zephyr
Sorry but not everyone can hold ur hands through this video game bro
Says the person who needs special accommodations cause they have no one to play with in an MMO
tiny otter
for like 90% of the games history
it's been playing alone together
that isnt an mmo
it's between the cracks
like chess
viscid zephyr
They literally released group bosses in the original game.
You have no idea lmao
So many things designed for groups.
nocturne solstice
I wouldnt say so, there were a lot of group bosses back then like KQ, GWD, I think King black dragon maybe?
tiny otter
the first group skill was dungeoneering for christ sake
plain prawn
Says the person who needs special accommodations cause they have no one to play ...
He doesnt know 💀
nocturne solstice
Well people did skilling together
nocturne solstice
Is fishing trawler alone together when the loot and xp is shared?
knotty herald
it is a chatroom with 3d trees
viscid zephyr
Yes?
nocturne solstice
Yes
tiny otter
jesus christ
plain prawn
LOL
viscid zephyr
Literally a shared experience
true talon
Says the person who needs special accommodations cause they have no one to play ...
Actually, the reason people dont do tob is not because they cant or wont find people to group with. its because then your playing the game on someone elses time, you are at risk of failure on other peoples time, you cant learn the mechanics or improve the strategies in your own time. its not like chambers were you can go in and die over an over to olm while learning how the head works, entry mode for TOB has made this a little bit better. but then your still at the mercy of playing on someone elses time. also ironmen is about standing alone, however currently we only need to group for tob, since nex just got taken out back with yama XD
nocturne solstice
I think an anology that you should have used is watching a movie in a watch party online.
So you're alone but watching together.
viscid zephyr
Actually, the reason people dont do tob is not because they cant or wont find pe...
Make a friend
tiny otter
you're also alone in the cinema
nocturne solstice
Doing it in a cinema with a lot of people is definitely a group thing
Ok if you manage to snag an empty server then I will agree
You are indeed playing alone
tiny otter
do we need to define what the words "you" and "others" mean or
true talon
Make a friend
even friends dont wanna play on someone elses time, what happens when all your friends are offline? are you to just sit around an wait for them to get on lol.
viscid zephyr
Yes
nocturne solstice
No its just kinda implied that the cinema is a public place with other people
viscid zephyr
Or make more friends.
tiny otter
driving down the road, are you travelling with everyone else?
nocturne solstice
When someone asks you to go to the cinema you assume there will be other people, not that your friend booked the entire cinema for just the two fo you.
Look just stop with the weird analogies
and say what you mean
viscid zephyr
He can't lmao
restive siren
Actually, the reason people dont do tob is not because they cant or wont find pe...
there are like 10 other mmos with millions of total players sending billions of hours into the respective games "playing with other peoples time". That argument just doesnt hold when you look at the bigger picture, its not only normal to do that, it is the vast majority that do that
nocturne solstice
This isn't an issue of not understanding, it's that we disagree what content is "alone together"
viscid zephyr
I mean, they're struggling with the concept of being social in an MMO
Feel like it's not going to go far.
nocturne solstice
Like you said it was alone for 90% of the game's history, even though people did KQ, GWD, and a few other bosses pre-raids together.
plain prawn
I mean, they're struggling with the concept of being social in an MMO
He doesnt know 💀
fair comet
This isn't an issue of not understanding, it's that we disagree what content is ...
I think he wants you to say that we alone together disagree what content is “alone together”
nocturne solstice
Splits were a thing even if we dont have parties like traditional mmos
nocturne solstice
I think he wants you to say that we alone together disagree what content is “alo...
Damn you might be right 🤔
true talon
there are like 10 other mmos with millions of total players sending billions of ...
I played the biggest one and it does hold true, i like runescape for that factor. world of warcraft for example. I literally cant play without finding a m+ group or having a raid team. i am in a good guild that gets CE every tier and im often able to pug keys fairly high, however it takes a considerable ammount of time to find constant groups. runescape is not that type of game, nore should it be.
However wow does not have ironman gameplay. because it would be ass if it did lol.
plain prawn
I mean, they're struggling with the concept of being social in an MMO
If u love playing with others so much, why dont we bring back auto loot share/split with ur entire party? 🤡
viscid zephyr
Sure. Will stop people from being toxic when they're expected to split. If we're in a party together it's agreed upon.
true talon
Im glad jagex has not made another raid as gate kept as TOB. it has improved over the years, but on relase it was the absolute worst raid to get into.
plain prawn
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true talon
Even normies like to solo lol
tiny otter
occident rpg, big
true talon
They complain anytime the meta strat to a boss is to solo it, because their friends are so efficency focused that they are just gonna go solo XD
viscid zephyr
Me when I choose to play solo in an MMO and get upset when I can't do group content.
Lmao
true talon
But thats a mentality problem with players, not a game problem.
plain prawn
Me when I choose to play solo in an MMO and get upset when I can't do group cont...
Not to be mean but like, have u even done any end game pvm content at all?
true talon
If you feel the most efficent strategy is to solo, then you go ahead. but the game shouldnt cater to force grouping.
tiny otter
But thats a mentality problem with players, not a game problem.
bit of both with the restrctions the game even has
true talon
Yama for example is absolute aids to solo, its so brain dead chill in a duo its insane. he just dies before doing literally anything lol.
tiny otter
I can see why yama had a disaster of "is it solo is it duo"
plain prawn
Having an opinion is one thing, but if ur wanting to have an opinion with no experience with the end game content I dont think ur opinion has much weight
true talon
My ironman friend already went 91-99 str and is working on 91-99 attack on our yama grind
true talon
Lol just had yama refuse to phase at 32% 2 orbs exploded healed him to 41% then he phased, i had to do final phase with 10% more hp, all because he dont properly phase lol.
tacit pendant
Hes like looking for a specific point in his cycle or something to phase. I wish it was documented on the wiki better exactly how it works. Because there is a teleport out they shoulda gone with the Sote approach
true talon
Ya because its dumb to time skipping orbs or a special by rushing dps and then meeting the check but still being punished
tacit pendant
Like nex doesnt tp u out wasting a zcb spec because insta phase feels bad, and i understand why nex is being made a softer phase change. But when u litterally cant attack, hard phase shift and tele feels fine
Only nice part about yamas current phase shift is you can preswap your mage gear. Under 33 i just put mage shit on and hit the orbs if they are still around, maybe get a dc off
frail bough
Friendly reminder that DC doesnt work for yama phase, will work for the judge though.
tacit pendant
Death charge works on the orb, but thanks for the unrelated reminder
frail bough
Yes talking about death charge when talking about death charge is totally unrelated 👍
tacit pendant
There are no statements in this conversation implying death charge procs on yama when he phases. You arent killing yama here, so it should not proc when he phases.
frail bough
I didn't say there were
Ive ran into about 12 people who think it does
Hence the friendly reminder
upbeat moss
It seemed like you were trying to correct them
frail bough
Okay that was not my intention
upbeat moss
Most people happy
tacit pendant
Nw, a scrolling random discord channel in the morning probably wont see many eyes for 'psa' type messages
hasty shard
Hes like looking for a specific point in his cycle or something to phase. I wish...
yeah really wish it was like sote
true talon
Ya it’s a shame that bots are ruining soul wars, it was a good source of rune and addy bolts. Which aren’t easy to come by.
Also early pure ess
If they gonna gut the crates I hope they make the exp or the other purchasable items better
tiny epoch
where will i get my pure ess from in leagues 
ember token
it'll still drop pure essence
livid jungle
They should not only think about "how to get rid of bots/goldfarmers", but also take into consideration how many normal players enjoy soul wars and the rewards they get from it. It's a reason for ironman and lower levels to go to sw. Without it, the only reason to pay a visit is for the pet. Soul Wars is the only enjoyable minigame for me. No way they gonna make this one bleed to death also..
slender vapor
The rewards were entirely too good
tacit pendant
Untradeable cosmetics and ranks are def the way for pvp stuff
fossil epoch
I would much rather do trouble brewing than soul wars
And now jagex forces me to speed run the sw pet i guess
slender vapor
I'm honestly stuck 50/50 with toa
I want the ring, torstols wouldn't hurt, but toa would essentially get turned into weenie hut jr
livid jungle
And now jagex forces me to speed run the sw pet i guess
Zealgains running strong if u want to make the grind easier and more enjoyable for yourself. They play by certain rules to play it as efficiently as possible without getting pked by others.
fossil epoch
Zealgains running strong if u want to make the grind easier and more enjoyable f...
im doloing it
fossil epoch
Damn was watching a youtube video on someone who seems to mainly deal in flipping, and they said that they thought flipping was the best part of the game, and they even sold courses on flipping, so yeh that was their "stick".
Its very interesting to see the points on how some people truly think you can improve the game, even if you very much dissagree with their opinions, but these were some insane suggestions.
Some of the suggestions included, capping how many of an item can exist in the game, so if all 7k tbows exist, it can no longer drop, unless someone destroys it.
Or they wanted the Gp's that exist in the game to be capped, in a similar manner.
They wanted to duel arena back, and just tax that.
Remove basicly all valuable dops from bosses that arent uniques, to prevent gp getting put into the game.
I was baffled by these suggestions, especially capping items to exist, where they said that this would just mean that "if all the dragon scimmy's were owned, now rune scimmy would be worth more"
slender vapor
I don't understand why people who move money around and already made free money don't just take their 1% tax on the chin
narrow folio
How about add a way to fish mantas that isnt annoying and add manta chun
fossil epoch
Yeh i expect sailing to give new good fish sources
Not getting big amount of supplies from bosses makes sense tbh
slender vapor
I do think torstols need more than just raids as a source though
fossil epoch
might make some slayer mobs that people dont do anymore, worthwhile to actually make sure you get torstol seeds
slender vapor
Muspah rates and bulk on torstols are not the worst, but the demand for torstols have shot up drastically
You have 3 potions fighting for torstols now
chrome lantern
It is kinda a lot
I don’t think anyone would say ToA should drop as many Torstol seeds as it does but it is kinda the only remotely viable way of getting seeds in bulk in the quantities you need them
slender vapor
Toa and cox are both damn near the exclusive source of them, unless you soulwars bot
fossil epoch
there is more places to aquire torstols though, like i never farm them, but the stack still grows
chrome lantern
Yeah buy like
I went over 4x on prims
And that wasn’t even all that many torstol seeds from cerb
Also I know Jagex is cooking up their slayer/skilling blog so I’ll say this now
Task-only bosses/enemies are cringe
And Duradel as the highest level master:
-Should assign the highest level task, hydras
-Should not assign garbage with no level req to kill like blue dragons, trolls, kalphites, suquah, fire giants, etc. without an opt-in unlock, like basilisks and lizardmen and aviansies
worn token
And Duradel as the highest level master:
-Should assign the highest level task, ...
he dead bro
chrome lantern
I don’t acknowledge WGS as canon
ember token
the monkey's paw curls
fossil epoch
Yeh, i expect us to see a good amount of what we are getting removed, being spread out on enemies that currently isent worth fighting
chrome lantern
In my mind
ember token
Duradel can no longer assign any of those tasks
fossil epoch
not making them good, just okay
ember token
but Kuradal still can
worn token
I don’t acknowledge WGS as canon
copium
chrome lantern
It’s such an awful quest
tacit wharf
And Duradel as the highest level master:
-Should assign the highest level task, ...
to add, i also dont think you should be able to do cerb on hellhound tasks but be offered to do full amount of hellhounds or x (lesser #) of cerbs instead, like with tzharr/jad
slender vapor
That sounds horrid
chrome lantern
Or, you can just do it always without a task
tacit wharf
in conjuction of removing the "bad" tasks from slayer masters
tacit wharf
naw, botted to hell then evenmore
chrome lantern
Poor reason to make hunting tasks for bosses awful
slender vapor
Ngl, we need the higher level slayer masters getting task purged, that alone will help a great deal
It'll do much more than a 'preferred' slayer list
Lock duradel behind a slayer level higher than 50, if the tasks would be 'too good' for early slayer if you use him
Or just make it an unlock or something
chrome lantern
What about adding slayer levels where once you hit that level the task is removed from the list unless you opt in
slender vapor
Reasonable
By 90-95 most shit tasks should just be removed
Make the pool something people would actually want
fossil epoch
Ngl, we need the higher level slayer masters getting task purged, that alone wil...
Wouldnt that just end up making it too overpowered, if we have a master with an even more boss/lategame dedicated task list?
slender vapor
I mean, they already did poll a slayer boss master years ago
But that was off the back of non stop slayer updates and people got angry for some reason
fossil epoch
getting lesser naguas for amox would be nice on duradaddy though
slender vapor
Nagua's also wouldn't really be a shit task either
fossil epoch
Except we would need a slayer only area, if you are thinking about the ones in moons lol
slender vapor
Yeah i 100% was
That would be a premium afk melee task
Assuming every world isn't packed
fossil epoch
Would love if some of the higher masters could assign rev tasks tbh
slender vapor
Bloodveld slayer boss when?
civic ginkgo
Maybe with this new vampire area
chrome lantern
Those are the kinds of tasks I definitely don’t want diluting the pool personally, nagua
slender vapor
Yeah, but i don't see jagex ripping up all shit tasks off duradel tbh
They'd need at least a few replacements here and there
Otherwise you'd have boss and barrage tasks, the slayer list
Which i mean, i'm self interested, that sounds busted as fuck i'd love it
limber briar
Would love if some of the higher masters could assign rev tasks tbh
I recently swapped to aya/wildy slayer skipping to save up points for slayer rework and do rev tasks been chill.
frail nebula
tacit pendant
With araxxytes added its p easy to boss slayer fairly consistently
1800 araxxor kc was alot of my post 90 xp
restive sapphire
i think it's time for a slayer master above duradel
obsidian venture
A few years ago, there was a suggestion for a boss slayer master 
tacit pendant
They will sooner just add a boss for every single task it seems
Need dark beast, nechs, bloodveld
obsidian venture
It’d be interesting to see how’d they would balance a higher tier slayer master
restive sapphire
the superior rumour suggestion was interesting
but i want one that just higher reqs no big gimmicks
obsidian venture
Personally, I’d like for them to be an option, for a possible lvl 97/98/99 slayer boss
tacit pendant
Give the next slayer master invocations
slender vapor
And an orb 3.0 system
obsidian venture
Its time for hydra to peace out of the top spot
tacit pendant
Slayer contracts
slender vapor
Pay orb for better boss tasks
tacit pendant
The mobs drop contracts that u turn in for a task that has a special twist (no prayer pots high def)
obsidian venture
I’ll alch my account if that happened
slender vapor
No ppot at a super tanky cerb, just what i always wanted
tacit pendant
Kill abby demons with heavy ranged weapons
obsidian venture
😑
tacit pendant
Yes jagex im available for work
obsidian venture
@final frigate they better lower team rates specifically
tacit pendant
Partner slayer overpowered as is
obsidian venture
Idek anyone that does that ngl
restive sapphire
u think they will rebalance block lists to not be dependant on qqp
obsidian venture
Is it better than before
tacit pendant
Its very strong id be down to get into it if you want
obsidian venture
I’m like 50m slayer atm, just hunting boss tasks/heart
tacit pendant
But its basically departner for good tasks, speed through nonskip not great tasks
Its good for heart grind too
obsidian venture
But I haven’t done slayer in a couple months as I’m burnt
tacit pendant
Partner turael skipping is crazy too
tacit pendant
Like partner up for skips and bad tasks unpartner heart takss
obsidian venture
Sounds interesting
tacit pendant
Some niche tech for some tasks in the duo as well but meh
obsidian venture
Might try that out sometime
tacit pendant
Ive done a lot of partner. People need to make guides its cracked
tacit pendant
Maybe i will but prob cba.
Free content for any content creators in here
Are u an iron?
Cuz if so rip
obsidian venture
Nah
Perma main
Weirdly enough, an iron account would probably appeal to what I like in other games
small anvil
bane iron arc incoming?
hollow pivot
What you all thinking regarding oathplate acquisiton contracts? is the difficulty in a good place?
analog crow
Too difficult for me at least
hollow pivot
has anyone completed it? Ive only seen OblivJraze attempting
last onyx
vernal valve
has anyone completed it? Ive only seen OblivJraze attempting
no
jraze has finished at least 2 horn contracts, which are the exact same fight, though
but also he's blown through 100+ oathplate armor contracts unsuccessfully, lmao
he's back on horn contracts due to obliterating like 15b in gp lmao
tacit pendant
Surely its nerfed like 10-15% soon?
solar gale
its a hard thing to balance
they have to make it just possible enough that the most elite of players can tackle it
rain fulcrum
Turns out having content that requires 70m an attempt is hard to balance
solar gale
but make it playable in a timeframe before bots get their grubby paws on it
vernal valve
p3's just comically long, especially after the contract tweaks which made it longer, lol
tacit pendant
Ideally its great profit doing them for some people but not insanely elite, to where its just 10 dudes
vernal valve
you get like 3 or 4 shadow hits before you're clearing 4 orbs again
tacit pendant
And thats a really narrow thing to aim at
vernal valve
Ideally its great profit doing them for some people but not insanely elite, to w...
a big problem is it's just cost prohibitive to even learn tbh
it's basically a giga moneymaker that can only be done by people who already have infinite gp
cool, i guess?
tacit pendant
Well see in a week or two
Bots hitting yama will be interesting. Oath will finally crash, maybe?
vernal valve
it is a weird fight to balance, tbf
tacit pendant
I bought at 400 and made more than that so ill eat the loss idc
Atleast reddit has joined us in bitching about horn!
vernal valve
I do wonder if they're still looking at tweaks for Yama & surrounding content
Feel like we're in the winding down period of "no more changes for another 2 years"
tacit pendant
I feel like the sweep up blog was a topic change and they might be done
vernal valve
Yeah, same
tacit pendant
Ugh
vernal valve
I guess we'll see. I'm honestly not expecting too many more Yama tweaks. Frankly, I'd almost be surprised if they touch the Oathplate contract at all, tbh. I get the feeling they'd probably be fine if they just...don't get completed, considering there's already concerns about Oathplate price.
...Although, actually running some napkin math, I can already see why they really don't want it to be accessible. If more than a handful of guys can do it, the contract supply will completely evaporate.
Looking ingame, there's been a bit over 16 million Yama kills so far. Dividing that by the chance of a Dossier dropping and giving an Oathplate Armor contract, slightly under 10000 have entered the game. Realistically, probably slightly less considering cases where 1 member of a duo dies and loses their share of contribution, as well as the Ironmen who are keeping the contracts they get instead of selling them.
Jraze has, by himself, burned like 1-2% of the entire Oathplate contract market of the sum total of all that have entered the game in the past few weeks.
hasty shard
honestly yeah
shits hard enough that they should actually be validating if clears are legit or not
arctic hull
¯_(ツ)_/¯
if there's 4 ppl clearing contracts and its raze, port, widega, and 374gf78tf48, we prolly know whos getting banned
hasty shard
i mean hopefully but i dont think they tend to be super fast on it
vivid ruin
Why cant i find the GE changes on the recent summer sweep up page? I swear there was a section there about raising taxes from 1%-2%
And item removal
vivid ruin
Oh thank you 🫶
nocturne solstice
👍
urban tundra
I asked in General
But I saw in game update logs that Bloodied Blows chip damage got reduced by 50%
I still got hit a 9 through prayer
at around 350hp
true talon
I like the BLP system, in the future i suggest making it untradeable to actually stop the flow of to many oathplates (most expensive pieces) from entering the game.
knowing im 1 drop of anything but a helm away from being done is a nice feeling
Also that 45 shard contract further proves it needs to be untradeable
Should also have the horn break into shards
dense thistle
Any chance Ironmen will ever be able to sell or break excess items to G.E for something like untradeable "bound coins" only ever spendable on bonds ?
tacit wharf
only way i see that working is if they delete the item instead of putting into the ge system (another form of item sinking items outta the game)
but also #1022203837265756231
coral hamlet
Any chance on pickpockting vyre for blood shard to be more frequent ? Being 2x dry on this is awkward dont u think ?
tacit wharf
not any more awkward then going dry on any other item
coral hamlet
kindly but 1/5000 is verry rare for a charge item that last not that long 😦
tacit wharf
at 500 or so pickpockets an hr, thats only a 10hr grind
well worth it for an item that is so powerful, and u get 2 of them...
hasty shard
10h grind that lasts like 3h
coral hamlet
that was just an idea i wanted to lend for the whole community
hasty shard
not even really grinding its just leaving your game on and being told to not play
austere mulch
Any chance Ironmen will ever be able to sell or break excess items to G.E for s...
Fine. Let irons buy supplies from the GE at a 100% markup and delete the coins that are above the selling price
/s
gaunt kestrel
Fine. Let irons buy supplies from the GE at a 100% markup and delete the coins t...
its not even /s because this is basically unranked gim
the forbidden green helm 
austere mulch
Unranked gim is definitely a choice lmao
Limited market main with a markup on all items
urban sonnet
The update that was supposed to give vestige drops an indicator, such as a gold ring... Has this update gone live yet, or was is just speculation on Jagex's part on what is to come?
left atlas
Something to come
urban sonnet
ok
zenith pike
I still got hit a 9 through prayer
you use ward ?
urban tundra
you use ward ?
My bad, want to clear it up
i walked 1t early into the shadow
False alarm
solar gale
Any chance Ironmen will ever be able to sell or break excess items to G.E for s...
yes there is actually, its called dropping it to a main and using bonds on your iron
urban sonnet
lol
slender linden
at 500 or so pickpockets an hr, thats only a 10hr grind
Hahah thats what i said at 94 thieving. At the end i did 19k pickpockets, still didnt get a shard.. but i did get rocky at 13.7m exp
earnest marsh
When do you think jagex will nerf bofwa?
tacit wharf
they wont
tacit wharf
Hahah thats what i said at 94 thieving. At the end i did 19k pickpockets, still ...
my 94-99 grind ended with 0 (was about 15k pickpockets) finally got a pair at 18.5k
vivid ruin
When do you think jagex will nerf bofwa?
Why nerf? Its like wearing glass
nocturne solstice
They already nerfed it didn't you hear from Gnomemonkey? Eclipse is basically Bowfa
slender vapor
There's 0 reason to nerf bowfa, legit all it does is make range progression cancer
vivid ruin
And defense is a joke in this game
People always use justiciar for new content for a reason
earnest marsh
They already nerfed it didn't you hear from Gnomemonkey? Eclipse is basically Bo...
Yep, get tbow at 10kc, easy bofwa alternative
Nice!
hasty shard
every ranged buff is a bowfa nerf 😭
vernal valve
Hurrdurr can't have the best range cape work for bowfa
tribrid boots coming out btw 😭
austere mulch
People always use justiciar for new content for a reason
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not lol
But in case it’s not, nobody who can type and chew gum at the same time without there being a chance of hurting themselves, brings Justi to new content
vivid ruin
But in case it’s not, nobody who can type and chew gum at the same time without ...
Yeah nobody im sure
Everyone owns torva and scythe
narrow folio
I have heard of zero people bringing justiciar to new content
The effects aren't good enough to make a difference
slender vapor
The issue is the damage reduction doesn't apply to most mechanics
The way it's coded it's damage reduction to basic attacks and basically nothing else iirc
I don't even think that reduction procs on a ton of bosses 'auto attacks' anyways
nimble cedar
Anyone know what date the summer update blog changes go live? Trying to decide if I gotta spam soul wars crates before next update or got a month or two
ember token
you've got a few weeks at minimum
tacit wharf
next week till start of next year
nimble cedar
next week till start of next year
I mean you aren’t wrong
tacit wharf
i could see some of these things coming out sooner rather than later though
slender vapor
Toa changes/nerfs don't seem like something that'll come quickly
tacit wharf
ya feel they'd wrap that all up into one update
while the ele weak stuff is probably something that'd be sooner
slender vapor
Ele weak stuff i could see coming way quicker
But i think for them to properly nerf and fix toa, it'll require a lot more fine tuning
And shouldn't be rushed
There's a ton of moving parts they have to address with toa
tacit wharf
loot table changes would be sooner as well
slender vapor
I still think torstols are entirely too clamped to raids
Torstol demand has never been higher
tacit wharf
fairy dust that stuff to other high level monsters drop tables
tacit wharf
other boss monster changes (nex, nightmare, cerb) over the next month or so
along with the other misc changes
ember token
its gonna be kinda funny if the delve boss drops all the same things they're reducing/removing from the loot tables of other bosses
tight brook
(It will)
slender vapor
Delve boss: scaling common loot 1-150 torstol seeds
lament peak
can't wait to see how badly they screw up the drop table 
fossil epoch
its gonna be kinda funny if the delve boss drops all the same things they're red...
GOtTa mAke iT WoRthWHiLe
slender vapor
My guess is delve commons are like pizzas, barb mix prayer pots and a couple battle staves
God forbid common loot is anything more than trip extenders
hard axle
God forbid common loot is anything more than trip extenders
Hear me out, I liked the TD trip extender being unique
What if we made a new food that combo’d with existing food for maximum benefit 
Eat extender, next hard food gets 5 more go
slender vapor
I just don't want to see pvm become nothing BUT resource drains going forward
Profiting supplies through pvm isn't exactly an evil that needs to be vanquished
Just the edge abuse cases need reeling in
compact flicker
Would promote skillers making supplies (if there wasn't a botting issue), but not sure if many would be fine with that
More expensive supplies etc
slender vapor
I really think trying to balance pvm drops against an economy of bots is a losing battle
And the other side of the stick is just annoying and frustrating
Like nightmare
Or nex
Or cerb
They are the exact examples I don't want more pvm modeled after
manic holly
Surprised there was no survey attached to the summer sweep up blog post to give feedback so here I am
Only one thing I took issue with in the post which is the proposed nerfing of the fang and lightbearer drop rates in TOA, I think a better alternative would be taking a leaf out of the shadows book and give them both a slight nerf outside of toa and buff their effectiveness inside TOA respectively, for how much easier to obtain the fang is compared to the ghrazi rapier I still dont think it should outperform it as often as it does outside of toa itself
slender vapor
Debloat toa stats, leave fang and ring more common below 300, and make it impossible to get either above 350
manic holly
so many people have already completed the grind and received those drops that buffing the drop rate now is just going to force tonnes of ironman to go and sit through the grind pre balance pass of toa and be fully burnt out of the content before the changes come in that the update just won't hit the same
slender vapor
Ngl, shadow not dropping below a 350 is also reasonable too
manic holly
@slender vapor I think you might be onto something there
sacred oracle
personally don't particularly care about irons: they chose that mode, and it is hard
manic holly
it is
sacred oracle
prefer to rescue economy of dramatically undervalued fang/lb
manic holly
but artificially making it harder is not better for the game
sacred oracle
toa has had far, far, far too generous a drop table for too long
honestly, might be too late to really fix the damage
but this is a step in a good direction
manic holly
thats what I mean, changing the droprate now 3 years down the line will essentially be punishing new players
slender vapor
Nerfing the stat bloat also directly nerfs drop rates too. And makes fang less stupid important for the raid
Since points = hp
Toa can't be left as is for scaling with fang becoming significantly rarer
That's asinine
final frigate
Ngl, shadow not dropping below a 350 is also reasonable too
I want to say 400 but idk maybe that's debatable
slender vapor
Fix the core issues like stat bloat and 400 invos for a shadow become reasonable tbh
final frigate
Cause that's the nhn threshold for efficient runs
sacred oracle
thats what I mean, changing the droprate now 3 years down the line will essentia...
that's fine
the alternative is not fixing it
manic holly
having a sliding scale for where drops can drop makes sense though, no one running a 500 toa is happy when a lightbearer drops
for the 50th time
slender vapor
I think making an invocation cut off for fang/lb/shadow and toning down the stat bloat to nerf purple % is the best solution that makes most people happy
sacred oracle
i wouldn't mind making shadow 350+ only
slender vapor
That removes the stupid 1 shots too
sacred oracle
i don't see a reason to remove fang/lb
if moving it increases the chances of getting other stuff, that's a buff, and we don't need that
if removing it doesn't increase the chance, then there's no point removing it: an lb is better than not getting a purple at all
slender vapor
I'd have to see how much reducing stats effects drop rates on everything
If deflating the raid makes drop rates tank to something reasonable, maybe leaving the rest alone is fine
final frigate
Turn on shadow and turn off fang lb ward at 400+ 
Adjust rates so in the end all invos are slightly lower % across the board
Low invos should get hit harder than high invos but that's w/e
slender vapor
The major issue is high invos dropping shit to the floor
It's not inefficient low invos
final frigate
Duo 400 is same purp as solo 540
Low invos are very very good atm
Considering the gear and skill req diff
Trio 350 also same as solo 540 iirc
slender vapor
You won't get people agreeing that 400 invocation as it is currently is low invos
winged mantle
Imo fang+ lb shouldn't be given pre 300 toa, shadow 400+
slender vapor
That's an Overton window issue
No fang before 300 is also silly with how badly toa scales
manic holly
Imo fang+ lb shouldn't be given pre 300 toa, shadow 400+
doing 300+ invo raids without a fang is unpleasant
final frigate
You won't get people agreeing that 400 invocation as it is currently is low invo...
Should be <440: low 440-500: mid 500+: high but yes not many would agree
Unfortunately
Even though you can do 440s with dcb trident
winged mantle
doing 300+ invo raids without a fang is unpleasant
It's not too difficult. I was doing 350's with a hasta
manic holly
its doable, but it just inadvertently buffs the content for all those that got fang before the nerfs
proposed nerfs to droprate*
winged mantle
True but better to change things for the better
slender vapor
Not when the entire raid is balanced around having fang
Unless they plan to gut hp and def scaling
And then sure
manic holly
Saying that, with all of the proposed balancing changes to the raid, not having fang is likely to be less of an issue for mid to low-high invos going forward
slender vapor
If hp and def scaling is dealt with, fang only above 300 is reasonable
final frigate
Saying that, with all of the proposed balancing changes to the raid, not having ...
this for sure yeah
slender vapor
But it would have to be a chunky nerf
final frigate
baba becomes piss and you don't need to lose 30% doing terrible 6:0
when you have hasta
slender vapor
I think a ton of the changes they proposed are un needed tbh
manic holly
so excited for all of the damn monkey and baba changes
slender vapor
No need to make the raid mechanically easier
final frigate
kephri also a lot more chill especially if you bother to put in the smallest effort to swarm both sets
slender vapor
Just make the stats less insane and remove so many random 1 shots
final frigate
there aren't that many tbh
a lot of the times it's people egoing and sitting 40hp with 4 brews in inv
narrow folio
Theres no random oneshots
final frigate
realistically it's only like p3 skulls that kill you on 1 mistake
things like gap and zebak roar you get hella time
like surely we don't count gap as "random 1 shot"
akkha messing up memory you can recover and brew
narrow folio
Because you messed up
final frigate
still doesn't even hit that much unless very high invo
slender vapor
I just think dealing with the raw stats is a better way to balance the raid than stripping it of mechanics
final frigate
maybe like 20+20 or smth in 400s idk
slender vapor
Like, akka as a boss fight is fine, they don't need to make it so easy like they proposed
narrow folio
Hasta is already plenty doable for irons tbh
slender vapor
If you're fine with 40-50 minute raids with any kind of scaling
narrow folio
Yeah its really not that bad
slender vapor
Masori blowpipe
final frigate
irons get bowfa
and you know how strong bowfa is according to them
might as well be shadow tier with how much they praise it
narrow folio
Bowfas similar to masori pipe so its fair
slender vapor
Masori pipe and dcb with dragon ammo is better
final frigate
maybe like 5% worse but yeah i wasn't gonna drop 200m for a 1 run test so
i had 3 rows left they can do it fine
final frigate
look at supplies left too
narrow folio
35 min 370s impressive
slender vapor
Also, testing it as someone who comfortably runs 400+ invocations isn't exactly the same as an iron looking to get into it
Your skill gap is why it's doable
final frigate
well turns out being good helps
and more people should try to improve
instead of doing terrible invos for the rest of time
narrow folio
Then learn? People been doing it all this time
slender vapor
I disagree with how they're nerfing the bosses anyways
It just makes them brain off easy
narrow folio
I really don't think toa needs stat nerfs either
slender vapor
It really does though
final frigate
irons willingly losing 33% dps and complaining that level 0 350 invo baba is too tanky 
just sit there click boss and it dies in 2 minutes
narrow folio
Yeah
narrow folio
Fang's big but hasta being trash is overblown af
Raids are meant to be harder content with gear checks
final frigate
it'd be nice to nerf stats at 500+ or based on path levels so naturally higher raid level raids are less annoying
not an issue around 350-400 where most people run
slender vapor
This raid specifically was designed for people with shit gear
They assume you have fang
narrow folio
You have to balance around bis whats new
true talon
I think the raid has way to much scaling on defense mainly
true talon
kephri without a fang is an absolute nightmare past 300, even if you have a blue keris
slender vapor
I don't want the raid getting turned into a joke
The proposed nerfs do exactly that though
Instead of just making shit less tanky, they're gutting mechanics
narrow folio
I don't like the proposal
true talon
Keris should probably act as a mini fang when inside the raid
final frigate
i hastaed kephri in that 370 it was fine
learn how to swarm
if you have bclaws even better
cuts his hp by like 30%
there's your fang dps
narrow folio
Defense scaling could use a slight curve but nothing drastic. I like the raid how it is rn in fact.
true talon
Instead of just making shit less tanky, they're gutting mechanics
They arent gutting any mechanics, they are improving them to be less toxic. like baba is not gonna do chip so you will need to kill monkeys and do boulder tosses.
ahhka i didnt really read much but looks like butterfly will be an option but not the only option, he will change styles every special and also less white orbs in final phase (kinda making it easier?)
Baba hitting you 30 though prot melee was not a good design
narrow folio
U can facetank in 400s with no issue
final frigate
They arent gutting any mechanics, they are improving them to be less toxic. like...
if you were good at baba you were doing all the mechanics anyway cause 5:1 procs monkeys and boulder tosses and slow shadows too
narrow folio
What
true talon
Ahhka also shoulda never been bando's 2.0 it shoulda encouraged actually prayer and gear swapping
final frigate
again it's just because people willingly choose to do terrible redx
that the room seems shit
and they are strictly nerfing butterfly there is no denying that
you get to do it for 1 minute max per cycle
true talon
Good endlessly running in circle's and not interacting with the boss is bad design.
final frigate
good thing you're not endlessly running in circle and actually doing several step backs and diagonal transitions to not lose ticks
go try butterfly right now and record ty
true talon
bosses are meant to be engaged and deal with their mechanics correctly, not run around them. problem is its become acceptable due to god wars awful design of just being chip damage simulator from the past
final frigate
i'd agree if akkha didn't have phases and you could butterfly from 100 to 0
but you can't
he spawns 4 shadows and does memory every minute in high invo
true talon
I didnt butterfly on my toa grind, because the dps was fucking awful unles you have a shadow
final frigate
with dt btw which is already arguably more difficult than any non dt facetank people would do otherwise
true talon
its better to let him change styles and get fang/bowfa hits
final frigate
without shadow yes
the single overhead and reduced melee chip is plenty to help non shadowers
they don't need to gut shadowers at the same time
slender vapor
Being able to camp 1 style for 66% of the fight, face tanking is also wild with these changes
true talon
I mean the dps check was skippable with 1 tile, it was literally a non factor lol
final frigate
what does dps check have to do with anything
true talon
Sorry i read the shadows as dps checks lol
Ahhka and baba was the reason i hated TOA was a passion, monkey puzzle was 3x longer than any other puzzle room, baba was just hey do red-x/5-1 or whatever you wanna call it or get smacked down for 20s though prayer (i had a 415 with lvl 4 baba who made me keris and killed me from 118-0 before i got spec back lol)
final frigate
again this is just an issue of not learning
you don't know 6:0 vs 5:1
and you have lv4 baba in a 415
this is not the raid's fault lol
true talon
I dont encourage mechanics that force the boss to do nothing, just like i dont like the current melee yama in p3.
final frigate
hating monkey room as well when it's one of the few nice skill expressions in the raid
besides 5:1/kephri/bfly
final frigate
if you were good at baba you were doing all the mechanics anyway cause 5:1 procs...
^
5:1 makes you do all mechanics while having 100% dps while also reducing damage by 80%
instead of 6:0 making baba do 0 mechanics and losing you 17% dps
again, not the raid's fault you're choosing to do 6:0
no wonder you're having so many issues
true talon
im not having any issues lol
final frigate
same thing for terrible invocation choices and boss ordering as shown by your lv4 baba 415
true talon
dunno what your saying
final frigate
i had a 415 with lvl 4 baba who made me keris and killed me from 118-0 before i got spec back lol
no problem?
i guess
true talon
that was just an example
final frigate
yes an example of you having issues why do i even bother
true talon
so because the boss chipped me for my entire health bar i had issues?
narrow folio
Why you not doing baba first? Salt helps range more than melee
true talon
im not complaining about TOA lol. im pointing out the problems that majority of people have with it, i dont approach their changes from a personal benefit nore do i care. if your opinion is that nothing should change then that's fine. but clearly there is a problem and jagex has identified it and have made changes as to remedy it.
Hey with the nerf to herbs, can we get the demonic digger back??
Was such a cool item, shame it got scrapped 😦
Nice to see jagex, doesnt care about the future price of oathplate lol.
tiny epoch
Ahhka and baba was the reason i hated TOA was a passion, monkey puzzle was 3x lo...
baba doesnt max 20 through prayer in a 545
u doing 700s or what
true talon
TOA farmers mad right now lol.
final frigate
We're not the ones dying to lv4 415 baba 
true talon
We're not the ones dying to lv4 415 baba <:KEK:1024468566835204137>
Why does this matter? it happened one time an its just a scenario that can happen if you choose to take the boss head on. obviously there has been player developed strategies to avoid interacting with the boss and keep her from doing anything but hit air.
Again your using an example as a scenario to go oh well you just suck at TOA lol
tiny epoch
'keep her from doing anything but hit air.' is not right
final frigate
if you were good at baba you were doing all the mechanics anyway cause 5:1 procs...
@true talon no point in having a conversation if you refuse to read
tiny epoch
need gnomonkey to make a video on 5:1 & save toa
true talon
ahh last drop was a helm at 566, this is cursed 😦
tiny epoch
they should poll the baba changes & you need to submit a video of you doing 5:1 to vote i think
true talon
Just got my 4th helm after 408 kills dry
winged mantle
ahh last drop was a helm at 566, this is cursed 😦
Sorry Tass
true talon
it is what it is
I dont think i can justify breaking the 3 helms into 150 shards to finish, i actually like this boss i guess. so im in it for the long haul lol.
final frigate
need gnomonkey to make a video on 5:1 & save toa
i don't think he's looked at any toa strats in 2 years i fear..
why are we gambling akkha hp and premoving quadrants
unlucky
he's popular though so must be right
true talon
Maybe i like this boss, because i can see a end in sight, its kinda good knowing my next drop (that isnt a helm i will be done) or if i cont to get oathplate shards.
inner fiber
Whens the revenent emblem breaking update happening that passed weeks ago?
tiny otter
patiently waiting for gout tuber 
grizzled jolt
Nice to see jagex, doesnt care about the future price of oathplate lol.
assuming every single shard contract that comes into the game is compleated and not a single person ever dies to them with average drops those contracts will result in 5% more chestplates and legs coming into the game btw
nocturne solstice
Damn, only 45 shards too, thats 1/10th of a oathplate piece 
true talon
assuming every single shard contract that comes into the game is compleated and ...
Lets be real here, anyone doing these will have mastered them. thats why its 50m/h for people. however the value wont sustain due to them printing oathplate (most expensive pieces into the game) along with the other oathplate fragments from the boss. they need to make the shards untradeable asap, before the damage is done.
heavy ledge
FYI all of my sell offers are being taxed at the new 2% rate, even though they assured us that offers input before the tax hike would still be at 1%. I'd screenshot any offers made before the increase that go through and are taxed at the new rate and submit a ticket
true talon
That way if you invest in oathplate shard contracts, your in it for the long haul. or maybe its what you need to finish a piece from a yama grind session.
true talon
FYI all of my sell offers are being taxed at the new 2% rate, even though they a...
brother its 1% get over it. go kill 1 zulrah to make up the difference.
fossil epoch
FYI all of my sell offers are being taxed at the new 2% rate, even though they a...
weird, cuz my offers from before the update got taxed 0
heavy ledge
brother its 1% get over it. go kill 1 zulrah to make up the difference.
it was a few mill lol, just warning others
true talon
your not warning people, when your saying stuff like get proof and submit tickets for a non issue lol.
fossil epoch
no need to attack him
heavy ledge
weird, cuz my offers from before the update got taxed 0
maybe they fixed that and it actually fucked it up? when did your offers go through?
true talon
im not attacking him......
fossil epoch
maybe they fixed that and it actually fucked it up? when did your offers go thro...
Could be, atleast its only a limited amount of offers affected
heavy ledge
well mine went through yesterday morning and I input the offer on the 24th
fossil epoch
my inputs where done the same day as the update, was just bloodied blows
grizzled jolt
Even long term the contracts will not ”print” oathplate (i implore you to actually calculate how many times you on average have to kill yama to recive a oathplate piece from purely the shard contracts), a case can be made for regural shard drops as they result in about 33% more oathplate but this is assuming jagex didint craft the droprates with shard drops in mind? (Like if torva drops were made 33% rarer but torva shards were added that would result in 33% more torva being created the total supply of torva would not change)
true talon
Even long term the contracts will not ”print” oathplate (i implore you to actual...
shard contracts and unique contracts should not exist. thats just a fact.
heavy ledge
my inputs where done the same day as the update, was just bloodied blows
Weird... But I even have an offer that partially sold before the update at 1% tax rate but it now displays that it'll be a 2% tax rate on the whole thing
All around goofy
fossil epoch
I wonder if it auto updates once 1 item is sold
heavy ledge
Hmmmm maybe
grizzled jolt
shard contracts and unique contracts should not exist. thats just a fact.
And why is that?
thick beacon
contracts are pretty rare right? idt its an issue only .1% ppl that can do them even to bring in actual loot in game
neon gate
https://i.imgur.com/mfRpU6s.png 4904 greater demons
slender vapor
Works out to 9.2k per kill?
