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hard axle
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Just power wise elemental weakness and harm can be buffed without issue

tacit pendant
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theres also very weird slayer uses, but id have to go look

rain fulcrum
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I wish there was group phosanis tbh

chrome lantern
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I guess what I'm really saying is that I'd be kinda pissed if they made harm useful without making it actually reasonable to get, selfishly

viscid cipher
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Is shadow still better in metal dragon or harm staff?

meager flame
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i mean the rates themselves are a little bit nuts before you even know the kill time

tacit pendant
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hespori, vespula, pvp

meager flame
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thats how you know its scary

vestal ruin
hard axle
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People still scythed at ToB when it was 1k a swing erm

meager flame
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especially before their last change

tacit pendant
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it needs buffed, dont misunderstand me, what it has aint enough

gaunt kestrel
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same goes for nex

obsidian venture
chrome lantern
obsidian venture
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How much misinformation can a guy give in 1 night

viscid cipher
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Nightmare boss is harder than nex isn’t?

meager flame
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just about everything is harder than team nex

chrome lantern
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Especially when we look at the stat rebalance to make inq mace relevant without addressing the drop table in a meaningful way

gaunt kestrel
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i could see 1/75-1/90 being like a "reasonable" drop rate

chrome lantern
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But the boss is fun :( I would unironically do some of it even at these rates if I had a heart

gaunt kestrel
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down from 1/113

meager flame
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the only time nex is "hard" is when you go in with a very small (2 or less) group of players and you have to survive the boss until it dies

chrome lantern
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That said, I would "do a bit of it" in the same way I do corp here and there

gaunt kestrel
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that would be like 10-12 hours on rate on a max/main

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(less than, even)

meager flame
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otherwise its just classic content basically like pretty much any other boss you mostly check out on and watch exp drops

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mostly old bosses

obsidian venture
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I'm all for reducing rates for nightmare/nex further

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and oath

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also delete nightmare and replace the base version with pnm

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thank you

vestal ruin
gaunt kestrel
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yea inq/torva becoming less rare and oath becoming more rare to clamp on the disparity would be my ideal

meager flame
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i feel like they could probably remove one of the earlier nightmare phases if they wanted to make it a little more reasonable

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they're kinda hitting you with some filler

obsidian venture
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Remove 1 phase from nm, 1 phase from pnm

gaunt kestrel
viscid cipher
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Imo nm boss is difficult

tacit pendant
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even tho i know its wrong, i kinda like the flavour inq has in being the rare weird item

obsidian venture
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increase rates by about 35%

vestal ruin
gaunt kestrel
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then you can adjust the hours to complete on the kph

true talon
vestal ruin
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I like its rare, I love the set, I wish it was common

chrome lantern
obsidian venture
tacit pendant
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orbs could be way more common and meta at bosses, we have no mage specs

obsidian venture
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If it's more dps yes

chrome lantern
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Yeah mage specs have been a weird thing forever

meager flame
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but yeah in general if they wanted to fix pnm to be something for me to really want to go do i'd love that

vestal ruin
chrome lantern
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Even right now we have purging staff spec that is just Yama orbs, a megarare wildy weapon, and two nightmare orbs that are megarare

meager flame
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seems like a really cheap update too in terms of dev resources

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they should probably look around and do more stuff like that

chrome lantern
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And that's it for mage specs

tacit pendant
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owl, blocking him helps

obsidian venture
chrome lantern
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Even eye spec is just another take on mage defense drain from wildy scepter

gaunt kestrel
true talon
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No point in argueing with the brickwalls of single digit, ill ask goblin on his say tomorrow during update. he often engages and gives reasoning, bringing up forseen problems with something is how we bring about change.

viscid cipher
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Maybe allow 3nm orb combin together

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To make it useful

gaunt kestrel
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as it is we have easy to access stuff needlessly encroaching on the space of other items that already existed in the gear proc bracket

obsidian venture
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if you brought it up to him

vestal ruin
gaunt kestrel
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burning claws to 40spec!

vestal ruin
gaunt kestrel
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remove 1str from blood moon chest and legs!

obsidian venture
chrome lantern
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Make it 39 spec

vestal ruin
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atm burning claws are better than dclaws in some places yeah?

obsidian venture
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yeah

gaunt kestrel
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yea

obsidian venture
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oath and dclaws is nice tho

chrome lantern
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I wish I got a burning claw drop

tacit pendant
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they actually tried and failed to make the orbs relevant at yama contacts lol

vestal ruin
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im just over 200 yama kc no drops yet, hoping for somethin soon

gaunt kestrel
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bclaws also roll enemy style defence based off your selected attack style

obsidian venture
vestal ruin
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Yepp 🙂 63 deaths

gaunt kestrel
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whereas most other weapons would roll off of a "type" style

obsidian venture
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I know you were sending a while ago

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Gaming

gaunt kestrel
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gz quiver

vestal ruin
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lemme get the pic lol

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its..... somethin

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peep doom stacks 👀

gaunt kestrel
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too easy for owl

chrome lantern
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So many prayers and healths left

vestal ruin
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so so many

tacit pendant
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i listened to gnomes sw pillar advice and it cost me like 40 deaths, hes my enemy now

obsidian venture
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I see 5 redemptions left

vestal ruin
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I wanna go back but I want an upgrade

obsidian venture
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🔥

vestal ruin
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I was 14/15 doom stacks LOL

obsidian venture
gaunt kestrel
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sw pillar catdespair

obsidian venture
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Please don't listen to gnome

tacit pendant
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i learned

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trust

obsidian venture
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I did my time for 2 years arguing for folks to do the opposite of what he said on wdr

tacit pendant
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it was sra camping sw, no inferno xp, machocist run

chrome lantern
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Maybe someday I'll bother getting good at colo and actually melee waves or use arceuus spellbook

gaunt kestrel
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i used to like gnome but for the past like year+ he's been sipping the crazy juice

obsidian venture
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Now i'm retired... my learners will spread the gospel

chrome lantern
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All these kills were tbow waves with a 5 way barrage switch for fremmy and heals

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tacit pendant
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he is a great teacher, with wild beliefs

obsidian venture
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He's a good pvmer

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Just doesn't know how to relay good info

tacit pendant
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he relays bad info very well

obsidian venture
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Which is why he's kinda looked down upon within some endgame pvming groups

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But no one questions his capability

gaunt kestrel
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its also the ego

vestal ruin
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I didnt like his inferno guide

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'just hit the boss'

obsidian venture
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If I had more time or interest to play I could possibly match him

vestal ruin
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doesnt help much haha

obsidian venture
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also for colo

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Advice is wdr is vetted

vestal ruin
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I just sent em both till completion :} Y O L O

chrome lantern
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WDR inferno gifs are nice for sure

obsidian venture
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But also gears towards eff raiding EVEN if casually sending

gaunt kestrel
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homie just refuses to accept criticism

obsidian venture
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The actual lfr is questionable

gaunt kestrel
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the wdr guides are goated

obsidian venture
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Trial modding there...

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Wdr mods vs oscord mods when

gaunt kestrel
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the burn into the extreme burn

obsidian venture
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Actually though

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Yama didn't un burn me

gaunt kestrel
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understandably

vestal ruin
obsidian venture
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But I have been logging in to send 2 trips of a random boss till I logout

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Which is more than the last 4 months

obsidian venture
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and pb ig

vestal ruin
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I wish I had better gear on my iron to really compete well if that ever happened 🥲

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Im so close to so many upgrade atm

gaunt kestrel
obsidian venture
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Can handicap ourselves to match

gaunt kestrel
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definitely don't have the motivation to grind though

obsidian venture
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My current boss is vard/moxi

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and colo

vestal ruin
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Araxxor / yama for me

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need to upgrade the obby pants and fighter torso 💀

obsidian venture
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obby pants...

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kinda tech

vestal ruin
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yep....... entirely ignored bandos

obsidian venture
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what's the next thing? bm tassets?

vestal ruin
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inferno/quiver and obby pants hahaha

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I dont like moons so im ignoring them tbh

obsidian venture
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well tbf

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yama if you got tds weapons

vestal ruin
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I have purging staff

tacit pendant
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yeah i def havent killed the boss 500 times also guys

obsidian venture
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skips all melee basically

vestal ruin
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yeppp

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just gotta stick with yama, 200~ kc so far got upgraded death charge

obsidian venture
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until you wanna min max dps and get a t helm

vestal ruin
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which is awesome at araxxor

obsidian venture
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I got dc and left

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maybe tmrw I log in for contracts

vestal ruin
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glgl

obsidian venture
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idk if i'm excited for it ngl

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Kinda dull compared to blorva imo

tacit pendant
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mage camp on mobile was like 300 kc, its cozy watch show content

vestal ruin
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I hope they are atleast somewhat doable for casual players

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Ik they are supposed to be awakened level

obsidian venture
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I cannot do the boss if my partner cannot donofly 😭

vestal ruin
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but I want some easier ones

obsidian venture
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It becomes too dull

obsidian venture
tacit pendant
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awakened vard is like peak sweaty shit

vestal ruin
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🥲

plush gull
# vestal ruin I didnt like his inferno guide

this is gnomonkeys actual inferno guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjIEASh6F0&t=22428s

all the ones with "just hit stuff before it kills you, you wont die yeah that step under I just did to avoid dying? i wont tell you how, to do that, you wont get hit as high as i did, just chance yourself, dont ever try to learn anything" are rage bait

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vestal ruin
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lol

obsidian venture
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Acquisition contracts were harder than some raidiant ones

true talon
vestal ruin
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thx ren :

obsidian venture
vestal ruin
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D:

obsidian venture
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They either dono or I log

true talon
obsidian venture
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Waste of my time xd

vestal ruin
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Dont.

obsidian venture
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Won't dw

vestal ruin
obsidian venture
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but if you're burnt, wasting more time per kill isn't it

tacit pendant
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usually the teamate tells you before hand...

obsidian venture
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Always do

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In some rare cases I will comply

true talon
obsidian venture
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non issue

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next

obsidian venture
hard axle
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Staring is rude

vestal ruin
hard axle
obsidian venture
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Why's this getting faster

tacit pendant
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learn the community method, good thing raids dont ask this of you also

hard axle
vestal ruin
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chmeese ratJAM

obsidian venture
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my learners expedite the process

hard axle
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It’s like how people still do 25 minute trio cox

tacit pendant
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its more popular than melee camp in ffa worlds

obsidian venture
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Lots of folks in my cc mage camp and that's fine

vestal ruin
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I only have purging staff so im sadly forced to mage camp 🥲

obsidian venture
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But if I wanna do it my own way, folks can respect that or not

hard axle
obsidian venture
hard axle
obsidian venture
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I don't pot content with like 95% of cc

hard axle
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I keep cheesing bane feelsroqman

vestal ruin
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👀 but what if im bad

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Im not but what if 😉

obsidian venture
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But if folks wanna "learn" sure

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There's no if

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I will whip you into shape

hard axle
vestal ruin
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loll

hard axle
vestal ruin
obsidian venture
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owl after a yama sesh with me

gaunt kestrel
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the 25min trio preppers was such a good time

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back when it was all i knew how to do

obsidian venture
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2019 tech...

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Good times yeah

gaunt kestrel
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now i can't pot reggie cox in any scale above 1

vestal ruin
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if I had lance Id be soloing cox so much more.... 1040kc so far 3 leathers only 🥲

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just gotta keep on keepin on

obsidian venture
vestal ruin
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gunna hop off a bit nice talkin with yall duckwave

obsidian venture
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My team hasn't potted since Jan

obsidian venture
gaunt kestrel
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holy reg speeds

gaunt kestrel
obsidian venture
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was tryna fix a setup

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haven't potted cox since then too

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prob get a better duo/trio pb

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then cms

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and yes solos after colo is done...

gaunt kestrel
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mb ill repot solo cm arc thonking

obsidian venture
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duo tob arc soonge

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need a victim

gaunt kestrel
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i did a 1nd with new gear and pbed 40s on a money

obsidian venture
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my pb is still from 2022

gaunt kestrel
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but ive never grinded pb

obsidian venture
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it's cooked

gaunt kestrel
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always just money

obsidian venture
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yeah same lmao

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all my pbs are money

gaunt kestrel
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if its pace its pace and i'll sit up in my chair

obsidian venture
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cept cox ones really

gaunt kestrel
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and if its not pace its money

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raid completions good mental

obsidian venture
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that's tech

gaunt kestrel
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leaving after nylo

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not good mental

obsidian venture
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I always money or wipe idc

gaunt kestrel
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i would really benefit from nylo res though

obsidian venture
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Only leave if you want rec or few seconds within rec

gaunt kestrel
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but sad

obsidian venture
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waste otherwise

gaunt kestrel
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just kinda cba

obsidian venture
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But for tob, ill send moneys till good time

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if you're ever interested

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or cox

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toa is irrelevant thankfully

gaunt kestrel
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yeye bigdog

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sokay im a toa poop_jail

obsidian venture
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only if Jagex makes different boards for them...

gaunt kestrel
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honestly i just have low motiv to grind

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like solo cm idm ragging cause its only my own time

obsidian venture
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Same

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Waiting for delve ig

gaunt kestrel
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hopefully delve is good

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a little concerned for lower stages of delve

obsidian venture
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big concern

gaunt kestrel
hard axle
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60m dex scrolls

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10m arcanes

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I joined this game at the best time cuz every raid I did was at its peak SCsobbing2

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Shame they didn’t protect the prices as much as they could have

gaunt kestrel
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game is fun in a different way nowadays

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not saying im great now ofc

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im still poop

hard axle
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Same

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Bottom of the HLC barrel as I refer to myself

small anvil
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prayers were destined to be in the bin

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single use

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basically the rate of use has to match new accounts willing to buy it at a price, then end up not progressing to the other gear from the raid

gaunt kestrel
hard axle
narrow folio
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Doesn't that go for other gear too? Except gear doesn't get consumed?

hard axle
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remember when prayers were 4x rarer

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and then people malded

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and they were 1 shared scroll

meager flame
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ge tax > buy prayer scrolls

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they can fix it whenever

narrow folio
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Every account only "needs" one gear item

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It's just that the prayers are the most common

slender vapor
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Prayers can't be reused and sold

rain fulcrum
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That actually helps

meager flame
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tbh idk why jagex doesn't just take on some little ge projects

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like you could fix the dex and arcane prices tomorrow

rain fulcrum
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How

meager flame
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buy out the ge with the trillions of gp in tax they never spend

narrow folio
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Prayers not being reused helps the price

rain fulcrum
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Do they actually not spend it

meager flame
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they've said before they dont spend almost any of it

rain fulcrum
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I assumed it's going towards keeping shadow up

meager flame
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they take out way more gp than they put back in with the tax

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and tbh

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they could also just straight up triple the tax

rain fulcrum
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The way raids are modeled

meager flame
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they pretty much created the solution to their problems but are very hesitant to use it

rain fulcrum
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It's actually crazy it took this long for the non mega to become worthless

meager flame
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which is probably good but like

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they should actually use it

rain fulcrum
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Is dex being low a problem

meager flame
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yeah

rain fulcrum
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If they want dex to be high then they shouldn't have created mini-dex either

meager flame
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theres a progression with royal titans and everything that means nothing to mains

slender vapor
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Fang being 9m is actually such a joke

meager flame
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because you can just go straight to dex

slender vapor
rain fulcrum
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But royal titans itself devalues dex

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If anything you'd need to make dex more rare

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Rather than just upping it's price

meager flame
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thats effectively what is happening with the ge deleting them

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people's drop would be disappearing into thin air

rain fulcrum
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There's something that feels weird about just altering the supply too much directly with ge

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Idk

meager flame
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its the only real way to solve their problems without doing things that actually hurt players

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like you could make the dex more rare than the tbow and that would also fix it

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but everyone would hate it too

slender vapor
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Dumping over farmed items into the void is the least invasive way to fix the over supply

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2-3% GE tax would be more than enough to remove oversupply on everything

meager flame
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but yeah this is why the economist they hired told them to do this with a tax

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its really clever and makes really good use of the fact that none of it is actually real

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its basically cheating

rain fulcrum
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I think the progression for royal titans will never mean anything to mains

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Jagex also doesn't really seem to care about raid unique prices for some reason

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All 3 are in a terrible state where the mega rare is like 80% of the profit

true talon
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I leave arcanes on the floor at olm

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sacrfice to the blood god

meager flame
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im just surprised they dont go for it more aggressively in general

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jagex could send tons of content back to how it felt when it was a month old

slender vapor
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Alternative, give deaths coffer a gold multiplier for certain items
Fang 9m GE, 15M deaths coffer

meager flame
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well thats the thing

slender vapor
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You insentivize people to just destroy gear

true talon
meager flame
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so jagex needs gold sinks more than item sinks in a lot of ways

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so to do both they kind of need to have more of a ge tax but

true talon
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The only way to fix raid unique prices is have them be fodder to upgrade a new item

rain fulcrum
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Well they could do something about tobs uniques

meager flame
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it would be a fair trade off because people would actually be able to sell their loot for what its supposed to be worth

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and not just get pitiful raids uniques and shit

rain fulcrum
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Cox and ToA are harder because the items are good just oversupplied

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Tob has a complete different issue

true talon
rain fulcrum
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So poll buffing them

meager flame
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but yeah jagex could basically create real deflation

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and make anything they wanted scarce at the same time

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and people would be more properly rewarded for their efforts

rain fulcrum
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Also most of what failed the poll was potions and z vambs no?

ember token
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yeah

rain fulcrum
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That's has little to do with rapier and justi being shit

true talon
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Oathplate woulda made more sense to come from TOB

hard axle
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Oathplate would've been the new Torva, yes.

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and should've

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Justi was added because they thought tank armor good, but reality is when a shit ton of attacks do not get mitigated by justi/ely, it's useless, especially when you lose damage.

solar gale
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I mean as soon as you start powercreeping the game and adding different items and sidegrades to existing items you would just be asking to reorganize where everything comes from constantly

rain fulcrum
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I mean it should have been obvious that having new stab wep from ToA that is way more common and better than the one from tob was stupid

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Rapier now needs smth to make it unique

solar gale
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fang should have been swapped with ward for rarity

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there being 3 fangs for every shadow > there being 8 fangs for every shadow

rain fulcrum
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I think their logic was ward needed to be rarer to ensure that it would keep price alongside arcane sigil

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(that failed anyway lolololol)

solar gale
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so how did that one go

rain fulcrum
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I remember their blog saying explicitly they think the drop rate will allow it to keep price

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Despite the rarity of arcane

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So they were just completely off

solar gale
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its missing the patch note but I think they also changed ward itself ot have a high alch of 3m so it would hold the slightest bit of value

rain fulcrum
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Or also the playerbase shot themselves in the foot by making jagex change the droprates

meager flame
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I just think tank armor is one of those seemingly easy good ideas that's actually a horrible idea

rain fulcrum
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I really wish jagex had more backbone on droprates

meager flame
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They probably realized it and that's why it has no content

rain fulcrum
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It has moons!!!

solar gale
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the problem is that there is just never content where you really want / need a tank

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because there are no real defined rolls in the game

meager flame
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If you just stop and consider what the reality of the game would be if you wanted to tank

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You'll know why

rain fulcrum
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You could probably make a raid where it's meta for one person to being justi

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If you have hella chip and allow controlling aggro

meager flame
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Everything people hate would have to get turned up to 11

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To make us want tank

solar gale
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I think the next raid is going to be a 3-5 person raid (with 1-2 being technically possible) and then when going in you each get roles that get buffs to that specfic style and change what mechanics you interact with

rain fulcrum
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I really hope it's not forced roles

solar gale
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like a melee roll gets +18 to their melee strength but their head chest and legs have no strength bonus (aka torva strength on every armor)

rain fulcrum
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Or jagex still hasn't learned that letting players figure out the roles is the way to go

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Yeah that would be bad imo

solar gale
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y

rain fulcrum
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Tob has proven u don't need that

meager flame
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People just like the idea of classes and ignore how not having them is one of the most special things about osrs

solar gale
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so you want a way where players make the rolls but also make certain armor and stuff viable without expecting people to just use whatever max stuff they use everyhwere else

rain fulcrum
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All you need to do is have one of the bosses heal a significant amount based on how much damage it's doing

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Then it becomes meta for 1 person to bring justi ely

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Everyone else dps

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You don't have to have some class system where someone indicates I am the tank

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Again looking at tob

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Where not only are there roles but the gear is way more diverse than anywhere else

meager flame
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yeah but then you have a problem

solar gale
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so force roles through punishing mechanics instead of offering buffs while setting specific expectations for that player

meager flame
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nobody wants to be the tank doing no damage and eating

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and they get no loot potential because of how jagex typically does loot

rain fulcrum
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Just do tob style loot

solar gale
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tob style loot still has mvp points in the background bro

rain fulcrum
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Idk IDC about loot points b/c split

meager flame
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honestly they should do tob without mvp existing

rain fulcrum
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Yes but it's way way wayyy less influential

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Than cox or toa points

solar gale
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you are now designing it for people specfically with friends

rain fulcrum
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And it would be 1 room in the raid

solar gale
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mass worlds are now shrash

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because no one would want to be tank

rain fulcrum
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Oh no! What will we do

meager flame
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i mean i actually think at that point it would be kinda good

rain fulcrum
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Grow up and volunteer to be a tank if you can't find a tank

meager flame
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because you could have the newest or dumbest player play tank

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and they wouldn't be punished

rain fulcrum
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Similar to how host has to freeze

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And again this would be for 1 room in the raid and likely not be mandatory anyway

solar gale
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again its a much more boring idea than give style specfic buffs for each role

rain fulcrum
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Since it's not like you can gate the raid on having justi

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You would just make it so 1 person bringing justi swaps

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No

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What you are saying is just stupid role forcing

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Which is like the ToA of roles

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They need to just cook bosses and let the players figure out what to take

solar gale
#

id rather tick eat a pile of purple sweets so the boss doesn't heal as much than bring justi

rain fulcrum
#

Then sure do that?

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I don't see the problem

solar gale
#

other than its boring

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buffs good

rain fulcrum
#

Buffs are boring

solar gale
#

punish if don't use x bad

rain fulcrum
#

Oh great the raid demands I must specify my class

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And I have to perform to the roles that jagex intended

solar gale
#

you keep bringing out the word specify

rain fulcrum
#

Instead of being a diverse set of gear across 3-5 players for what suits the bosses

solar gale
#

oh so specifiying?

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performing roles that jagex intended

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were gonna fix specfic roles by making specifc roles?

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interesting

rain fulcrum
#

No that's exactly what you are proposing

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And I'm saying is bad

solar gale
#

why not all 3 tribrid or 2-3brid and then give them buffs for each role

#

that sounds like way more fun

rain fulcrum
#

???

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Pce

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U don't get it

solar gale
#

your think is just my thing but no buffs

#

basically the same thing

#

but mine has a hat

true talon
#

Know whats funny, yama has roles but the guy doing mage mechanics/role is doing far less dps so its better to just melee him and bring 3 way mage switc for flares.

#

You guys always want role based content

frail bough
#

Could probably be resolved if the non-targeted partner had to do the glyphs, the targeted player could get hit through prayer by melee, and he didnt get extra def when maging

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and then probably more frequent tank swaps

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would force targeted player to mage, without dps loss so that he doesn't come in melee range while requiring partner to do the things
probably would require a melee attack update so you cant just step back as well

fossil epoch
#

Since i shouldnt say people are crying, my prediction for todays update is it wont satisfy people, whatever they have done with the contracts.
Doubt its been enough time to fix the issues

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Hopefully it gets improved a lot

frail bough
#

yeah itll be better but it wont be what people want/prefer

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probably mostly just fixing a bit of bugs, no actual changes to fights

red acorn
#

I'm starting to get worried about bank space again with all these additions

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I have potion storage, use the seed vault and am near cap already

fossil epoch
#

They are adding more bankspace with sailing

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You can also just buy more bankspace

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unless you already capped that out

red acorn
fossil epoch
#

Jmod said on reddit like yesterday, ill try to find it

upbeat moss
fossil epoch
upbeat moss
#

alternatively, just clean your bank

red acorn
#

without the bank increase I'd still be worried about it though, new skills,mobs and potentially bosses is a lot - but thanks zend, put my mind at ease

slender vapor
shadow wave
#

Potion Storage cleared out like 100 spaces for me

#

Set up my bank tags again and it's pretty seamless tbh, though I can understand the additional annoyance for people doing like speed runs or whatever that need very specific dosages

meager flame
#

ngl i kinda want more bank space right now lol

#

yama put quite the number of new items in there

slender vapor
#

Just buy more bankspace

#

Man, that was actually the biggest middle finger

#

What they set those spaces to

fossil epoch
#

yeh 6-7 new items from yama

slender vapor
fossil epoch
#

pretty cheap until like 40 slots

slender vapor
#

And then it quickly becomes unreasonable

red scroll
#

update is usually in like 2 hours right?

fossil epoch
#

no 0 seconds usually

#

You are thinking of server maintenance

slender vapor
#

"We've heard your complaints, we've changed nothing"

red scroll
#

i meant like

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in 2 hours

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from now

frail bough
#

typically yeah

fossil epoch
#

ah yeh its 2 hours from now

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countdown in 1 hour 15

swift ivy
#

i swear i saw jmods say something about yama ca's this update? did yall see that

ember token
#

correct

dusty shore
#

When will the news post be out?

ember token
#

15 min

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same time the update timer starts

fossil epoch
red acorn
#

Did they mean CA's tomorrow - or have contracts not been dropped?

grand nimbus
#

Regular downtime ?

ember token
#

grand exchange tax going to 2% 👀

#

@meager flame

Increased sink rates for several high-impact items, including:

Osmumten's Fang
Lightbearer
Arcane Prayer Scroll
Dexterous Prayer Scroll
Dragonhunter Lance
Dragon Pickaxe
slender vapor
#

👀

ember token
#

its like they just read the conversation from a few hours ago

red acorn
#

3.38 averaged across 4 kills is a speed for an elite task... is that doable without shadow?

ember lion
#

clue scrolls when?

slender vapor
#

Scarred extracts now work as expected with Aether Runes when using Daeyalt Essence.

arctic geyser
#

hmm so how long is it gonna be down for?

slender vapor
#

👀

dry pond
#

Why plain pizzas when Yama doesnt drop plain pizzas

red acorn
#

He likes pizzas

fossil epoch
#

"To practise for the toughest Contracts (the Contracts of Harmony and Oathplate Acquisition) and money-making purposes, we've added a new option for you: Bring Yama 100 noted Pineapple Pizzas and he'll let you take him on in this empowered form. The fight's identical to the toughest Contracts of Worm, Catalyst and Shard"

I wonder if the pizzas will be a money maker now

still sundial
#

Fixed a bug where the Dragon and Bone Claws were not guaranteeing their second hitsplat from the Soulflame Horn.
should be Burning Claws

dry pond
red acorn
#

It's a challenge for a reason :3

fossil epoch
#

DAMN GE tax going from 1% to 2%

red acorn
#

The ge tax goes up to make it so there's fewer items, so the cost of things stay high - so the tax is higher!

minor whale
#

Oh also this was put in

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red acorn
#

Big Grand Exchange bribing jagex again, smh

green pewter
#

You can no longer use an Imp Box on Jim to smuggle the Rag out.
I better still have my jim rags in my bank 😠

fossil epoch
#

"Players entering through the Guthix portal at Castle Wars will now be randomly assigned a team at the start of each game. Leaving and rejoining the waiting room won’t change your team - your assignment only resets when a new game begins."

This one so funny

slender vapor
#

They're no longer sinking occults

#

LOL

#

50k ammy incoming

#

So when can we get the pineapple pizza treatment for awakeners orbs?

#

👀

minor whale
#

Ok Fine 100 awakener's orbs and you can try out the awakened bosses with no rewards

green pewter
#

Also is that 100 per attempt or a 1 time payment

void badger
#

how long is the downtime for?

chrome lantern
#

100 per attempt is insane

slender linden
#

sudden tax change i wonder how the eco will react to this

green pewter
#

Well damn just found this on reddit

image.png
chrome lantern
void badger
#

oh sick

red acorn
#

Yeah, usually just a client restart

green pewter
#

Warrior guild pizza is gonna be sold out on the iron shop forever now oh well

slender vapor
#

Pineapple shops will be barren too

#

It's funny seeing someone already crying about 1% more tax on the GE

chrome lantern
#

Making 100 pineapple pizza fee when trying to make a system for irons to practice contracts is so extremely out of touch lol

#

Might as well get a contract at that point

minor whale
#

Go buy pizzas bro

abstract olive
slender vapor
#

You raise the cost 1% where possible and put the expense on the customer

chrome lantern
#

Replacing one cringe system with another isn’t a positive thing, and you don’t even get any additional loot for pizza deals

abstract olive
#

As it is I have paid 600m in taxes this week lol.

slender vapor
#

Sounds like you could afford to pay it though

tall kelp
abstract olive
#

Not really.

#

I only have 1.4b

valid relic
#

I get the complaint it kind of kills item flipping

abstract olive
#

^^

sullen mica
#

Can we please get some confirmation as to what's being changed today, and what is tomorrow, as it doesn't mention anything on the news post, but does mention it on the Discord ping?

green pewter
#

Me fighting the 1000s of other irons trying to buy pizzas at the warriors guild like its 2005 black friday and I need that flatscreen tv

valid relic
#

a lot of times your profit is 1% lmao

ember token
rare frost
#

icl flipping has always been cringe so im not mad

abstract olive
#

I don't bot, I don't break the rules. I flip to basically ensure my wife and I have Bonds

sullen mica
ember token
upbeat moss
#

It's fucked. That's last weeks

sullen mica
#

Right ok, definitely confusing lmfao

ember token
#

@carmine ferry "We've got Yama bug fixes today, and Contracts are dropping TOMORROW!" is a copy and paste fail, might wanna update that

rare frost
#

i see the dmm allstars world is now active

abstract olive
#

If they really wanted to increase the GE tax. Tax the consumer.

#

Make it even of 1% on each side

red scroll
#

How

#

Pay to get your item?

austere mulch
#

Horn still absolutely useless with dragon and burning claws 🥶

abstract olive
#

1% increase on price you pay

minor whale
#

Flipping isn't really something that benefits anyone except people acting as the in-betweeners of the items
I don't think Jagex gives a shit really about making sure they're treated fairly

warm storm
#

have you never heard of sales tax before

abstract olive
#

Same way we get taxed IRL

fossil epoch
#

pineapple pizzas already being 863gp ea before update, so its basicly the same price as buying contracts?

abstract olive
#

Duh

rare frost
#

no you dont get guiaranteed drops from pizzas

red scroll
rare frost
#

its just practice mode

tall kelp
#

Go play the game and stop crying about flipping

remote sphinx
#

kind of wish yama was split into solo/duo times with this update....even if it only counted solo times going forward

minor whale
#

Except how would that work when buying things with a set amount of gp for someone selling something at a set amount
You put a buy offer in for 1m, but really it takes 1.01m, sells for 1m, the guy gets 9.90m?

abstract olive
minor whale
#

IRL it's calculated before you pay it

fossil epoch
#

Tbh if people dont like the GE tax, nothing is stopping them from trading normally with people, just dont trade someone who RWT

minor whale
#

In the GE it literally is you put the gp in and then wait for the offer to fill

red scroll
#

Or does it refund

abstract olive
#

Then it's +9

tall kelp
#

Don’t like taxes play Ironman ?

red scroll
#

So it refunds

#

You'd need a new menu to refund

keen hinge
#

Making acquisition contracts harder while hella nerfing kit ones was not on my possibilities KEKWCD

red scroll
#

Telling you you got a refund

slender vapor
#

"You chose to use the GE"

warm storm
red scroll
#

Way more work

minor whale
#

I'd wager 99% of people buy and sell most of their gp from the GE anyway

rare frost
#

guys business tax is better than VAT come on

carmine ferry
fossil epoch
#

exactly

abstract olive
minor whale
#

A tax on sellers is just a tax on buyers whenever they sell stuff to later buy

tall kelp
minor whale
#

And flipping does nothing for the game

#

It being harder to do is just tough luck

austere mulch
#

Fixed a bug where the Dragon and Burning Claws were not guaranteeing their second hitsplat from the Soulflame Horn.

Aka, dragon claws and burning claws still aren’t worth using with horn at all smh.

In order to pass the second accuracy attempt, you have to also miss the first.

Meaning your net accuracy for the second roll is (acc) + ((1-acc) * acc)

If you’re base accuracy is 55%, then your net accuracy for the second roll is 80%, and at that point, the guarantee is far too costly is special attack usage for the little damage increase you get over passing the third attempt at accuracy which is 91% in the same scenario

Can horn just work with first roll as polled so it can actually be used at 4-5 pieces of content instead of 2, ty

rare frost
#

flipping is not an intended part of the game and doesnt help the economy in any way

knotty herald
#

Yeah the sellers will simply list it for a little extra, there's the sales tax

fossil epoch
#

Yeh flipping is just a byproduct of free trade

abstract olive
rare frost
#

its the stock market without any positive investment

abstract olive
red scroll
red scroll
fossil epoch
weary stag
#

5 outta 6 of these items drastically needed sinking, but should the DHL be the DHCB? Dhcb needs more love than DHL no?

Screenshot_20250529_111200.jpg
rare frost
#

sure for bonds, but flipping adamant chestplates doesnt help anyone

meager flame
#

apparently im Nostradamus about the tax/item deletion thing

#

lmao

abstract olive
upbeat moss
#

Sink everything

minor whale
#

LMAO

#

Muh free trade!

rare frost
#

welcome to the real world buddy

abstract olive
potent falcon
#

What's the definition of "advanced contract" for the combat achievement

rare frost
#

tarrifs go brrr

upbeat moss
#

You can trade outside the ge

slender vapor
weary stag
minor whale
#

Are you allowed to get an item and then go trade that item to another player for 0% tax for whatever cost you wish?

meager flame
abstract olive
sacred oracle
ember token
#

everything else is an advanced contract

valid relic
#

also to be fair anyone who tries to trade outside the ge in 2025 is going to instantly be assumed to be scamming

sacred oracle
#

maybe by the time i get to the present it will all be clear

valid relic
#

It's not a super viable alternative

meager flame
#

tbf it was really predictable though

rare frost
#

so acquisition ones too?

abstract olive
valid relic
#

and it's also not near 0 time profit like item flipping would be

meager flame
#

the ge tax is a big deal and does a lot of great stuff they just have to keep it tuned and actually doing its job

minor whale
#

I help run an item delivery clan where we regularly delivery and trade items ranging from buckets to tbows
None of our runners get hit with RWT warnings for simple 1:1 value trades

meager flame
#

its better for everyone

red scroll
#

Tax irons 2% of gold drops

meager flame
#

makes your gp/items worth more

red scroll
#

When 10k drops

versed flint
#

chat, is there downtime for the update?

red scroll
#

Delete 200

tall kelp
analog crow
#

Better put up some of my offers 👀

minor whale
#

You're not gonna get hit with an RWT warning for trading a tbow worth 1.1b for 1.1b

vernal ridge
#

how lnog will game be down for

upbeat moss
#

3-4 hours

red scroll
minor whale
#

If you give a random level 3 2b over 5 trades then yeah you might see a rwt hit

valid relic
fossil epoch
ember token
#

it will take at least 0 minutes

vernal ridge
#

i am very confused now

abstract olive
valid relic
fossil epoch
green pewter
#

Everytime someone asks how long downtime will be jagex adds one second to downtime

red scroll
minor whale
#

They've literally said if you're not rwting you're not gonna get hit with it, raid splits are safe, and even running bingos are safe

vernal ridge
minor whale
#

GP that is rwted isn't some poison pill now that it's in the game, if it's used for legitimate purchases they don't go after the person who made a legit deal with the person who rwted

analog crow
red scroll
#

You won't get banned for trading with someone who RWTed once

#

It's if you have a pattern

#

Of trading with the same RWT

austere mulch
#

Have the game run an annual audit on your bank value and issue a capital gains tax on any positive trajectory with item value

minor whale
#

Again
We've been running an item delivery service for almost a decade now, oftentimes people will tip us on top of what we deliver, sometimes we deliver megarares to random ass places
All throughout that time, none of our deliverers have ever gotten an rwt warning over the hundreds of thousands of trades we've done

red scroll
minor whale
#

It's such an overblown worry

knotty herald
#

pineapple is NOT Yama's favorite his favorite is jalapeno

fossil epoch
red scroll
valid relic
#

nah that's real

abstract olive
knotty herald
#

It's real, give Yama all 4 types and you get the dialog

minor whale
#

Then your buddy rwted

#

Sorry 🙂

abstract olive
meager flame
#

yeah im ngl i do splits regularly and also just simply trade a lot of wealth once in awhile with my iron/main nothing ever happens

green pewter
meager flame
#

im not telling anyone to do this either but i also know people that rwt with each other and they also don't get banned

#

if you get caught for rwt

#

you did it

#

lmao

abstract olive
#

He streams all gameplay

meager flame
#

im sure they make some mistakes once in a million years

sacred oracle
#

250k per practice yama attempt

#

phew

meager flame
#

but they'll probably fix it up if they do

abstract olive
#

From login to logout

sacred oracle
#

well it's ... cheaper still?

minor whale
#

Yes it's impossible to simply log in and not stream you rwting

abstract olive
#

He's also in the other room

red scroll
tall kelp
abstract olive
minor whale
#

Don't you have to convince yourself you're bringing some sort of value to the game by being a leech on trades

tall kelp
red scroll
abstract olive
analog crow
#

If you make more than 10 trades a day you get a 10% tax

sacred oracle
#

1% ge tax didn't kill flipping

#

i don't see why 2% would

upbeat moss
#

Why stop there

red scroll
sacred oracle
#

we can go deeper

fossil epoch
#

5% wouldnt kill flipping, the prices would just adjust

abstract olive
sacred oracle
#

1% ge tax didn't kill flipping
i don't see why 2% would

red scroll
upbeat moss
#

I need to flip to feed my family

abstract olive
minor whale
#

Guess you gotta stop flipping those items with less than 2% profit

meager flame
#

ngl

abstract olive
fossil epoch
tall kelp
#

Common sense isn’t so common

upbeat moss
red scroll
#

Making less than 2% on trades is not even worth the effort

meager flame
#

i would take the death of flipping in less than a heartbeat if it meant gp and items were retaining value

#

thats an easy fucking trade lol

red scroll
#

Just kill obor

#

Xd

sacred oracle
#

yeah, i don't care about flippers

analog crow
sacred oracle
#

it's one thing to make an investment and hold an item

still sundial
analog crow
#

Day trading on the ge is such a deranged concept

sacred oracle
#

just sitting at ge and just buying things and selling them right back all day and marveling at how much money you've made when you could have been, you know, actually playing the game

fossil epoch
#

Turns out we we see fewer people flip, the prices will start falling, resulting in more people wanting to flip

sacred oracle
#

i'm not a fan of it

#

it's not for me

meager flame
#

yeah im not against them existing but honestly if that's all that is standing in the way of actually playing the game being better

#

cya

red scroll
sacred oracle
#

it sounds like a pretty miserable way to spend your time logged in

#

but hey there isn't a wrong way to play the game

oblique mesa
#

Flipping / Playing the economy is fun

upbeat moss
abstract olive
ember token
#

well this week you can pay 1.2b in taxes :D

red scroll
still sundial
#

anyway I heard pineapple pizzas are a hot commodity rn

valid relic
abstract olive
analog crow
valid relic
#

you can set it, let offer fill and then come back later

upbeat moss
meager flame
#

the real question

#

is it 100 pizzas per attempt

still sundial
#

did you know you can combine pizza halves

meager flame
#

or 100 for access forever

still sundial
#

maybe there's your money maker

frail bough
#

Wow i did not expect so many changes, very pog

still grotto
#

back 2 eoc!!!

abstract olive
red scroll
meager flame
#

yeah i'll just loot contracts honestly

still sundial
#

probably per attempt

warm storm
sacred oracle
#

get your wife some pineapple pizzas

#

she deserves it

#

treat her

#

in a few hours she'll be RICH

abstract olive
#

She's already rich lol

analog crow
#

inb4 pineapple pizza 20k ea

meager flame
#

irons actually creating 100 pizzas per attempt is absolutely demonic

#

very on theme but lmfao

sacred oracle
#

fuck i just got logged out

#

it's all over

analog crow
#

welcome to 2% tax land

tropic ivy
#

how long we looking fellers? <#

analog crow
#

should already be up

warm storm
solar juniper
sacred oracle
#

okay let's see what's broken in runelite

meager flame
#

yeah it would be the kind of iron gameplay nobody really wants

dawn cargo
#

how longs update please

fossil epoch
#

Do you guys think that Jagex took a page out of trumps book with these new trading tarifs? they increased them by a 100% of what they used to be?

analog crow
#

Interesting splash screen

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eager falcon
#

so i have 500 yama KC but the KC tasks for CA's arent auto completed?

vivid ruin
tropic ivy
#

thats not funny

eager falcon
#

i just logged on

#

they are not

vivid ruin
#

???

tall kelp
warm storm
eager falcon
upbeat moss
warm storm
#

by not getting the notification they were completed...

sacred oracle
#

every ca update i get further and further away from master

fossil epoch
#

Wait we didnt auto complete yama CAs?

#

like kill 1 yama

eager falcon
#

nope

vivid ruin
tall kelp
#

How do they continue to screw these things up…

thick beacon
#

have ppl already started complaining about taxkekw ?

upbeat moss
fossil epoch
#

Wait i just paid 0 tax on my finished GE contract from before the update

tall kelp
slender vapor
#

The economy will never adjust!!

fossil epoch
#

sold 4 bloddy blows contract for 1m each and got paid out 4m

winter hearth
lament peak
eager falcon
upbeat moss
#

"forced to do another kill"

austere mulch
#

GE tax is alright. Soulflame horn is still useless with dragon and burning claws - even just removing the guaranteed hit entirely and having it only give the 100% accuracy buff to the first roll (like it does in PvP) is better

thick beacon
#

i think tax is really good honestly for the game

fossil epoch
#

i am indeed forced

thick beacon
#

wish it went up to 5% instead thoughsadge

fossil epoch
#

Now its gonna say 304

meager flame
#

yeah the horn sucks but i guess thats intended

eager falcon
#

i dislike you very much zen

sacred oracle
#

i hate the ge tax raise, but if jagex thinks it's necessary, i'll accept it

topaz gate
#

did anyone have any luck giving yama the 100 pineapple pizzas? not sure what im doing wrong

sacred oracle
#

but i didn't even like the first tax

#

grumble grumble

thick beacon
#

itd be alot better imo if they made horn work in solo scenarios

#

like wierd cap on it

eager falcon
#

im assuming all solos tho

#

looking at your shards at least

vernal pond
#

GE tax is good for the game, it keeps prices high and prevents people from selling gear

sacred oracle
#

why would preventing people from selling gear be good

vernal pond
#

less supply

austere mulch
#

Also why do cox deaths reset surge pot cooldown, but not deaths in the other two raids…

vernal pond
#

= higher price

meager flame
#

it doesn't prevent them from selling gear

winter hearth
meager flame
#

thats just what they said before the luxury of using the ge for the last million years kicks in

#

and they do it anyways

#

then they realize its fine

#

same thing happened with the first 1% lol

slender vapor
vivid ruin
#

It doesnt prevent you from selling. It simply forces you to make a decision on what items to keep banked opposed to constantly buying and selling gear at your will

slender vapor
#

The market will adjust upwards 1% again

eager falcon
meager flame
#

it wont even be part of the decision honestly

winter hearth
meager flame
#

well not for most people anyways

vivid ruin
#

Being in a clan, we simply trade items and say screw the ge Kekekekek

ember token
#

hourglass enrage attack

slender vapor
#

Enough people isnta sell that they're not within razor thin trade margin anyways

meager flame
#

i could see it being rough for people doing some specific things but

sacred oracle
#

what is the center of the shadow crash though

lament peak
#

Tbh remove the 5m tax limit

eager falcon
sacred oracle
#

does this mean you have to know where the two waves meet and never be away from that, or only during the special?

meager flame
#

i mean it should be

ember token
sacred oracle
#

this wording isn't making a lot of sense to me

meager flame
#

there probably shouldn't really be a 5m limit

eager falcon
#

by what goblin just said its the hourglass

meager flame
#

but

#

i can see why

eager falcon
#

so nothing to do with shadow attacks at all

meager flame
#

if you removed it most of the items people would care about are a low enough volume that they really would quit the ge

#

and use the forums etc

#

and you dont want that

#

you do want to keep sinking their gp

vernal pond
#

i too have no idea what the shadow crash attack it

ember token
sacred oracle
#

oh is shadow crash the hourglass fireballs from p3?

winter hearth
#

meteors crash down, shadows appear from the floor

#

shadow crash

vernal pond
#

Oh I see

eager falcon
#

big meteor has bigger shadow

#

crashes into floor

#

shadow crash

lament peak
#

Did jagex not confirm drop rates

fossil epoch
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Vampire meteors when?

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meager flame
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they low key told the wiki what they are iirc

eager falcon
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bad wording for the CA when its been called hourglass since release. dont think ive ever heard a single person call it shadow crash lol

sacred oracle
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i still think i don't know what shadow crash is

meager flame
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tbf though

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i love the wiki but that is a bit weird

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you'd think you would tell everyone else too

tall kelp
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Were the contract changes tested this time ?

valid relic
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Can uims give unnoted pizza or does it have to be noted @winter hearth (currently no way to get noted)

vernal pond
sacred oracle
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oh okay

winter hearth
valid relic
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and also is it 100 pizza per attempt or a 1 off unlock

proven sedge
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CAs not auto completing @winter hearth

tall kelp
nocturne solstice
velvet token
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U have tomdo one kill nylo

vernal pond
valid relic
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tall kelp
fossil epoch
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Fine i will do 1 more yama kill and get another oathplate piece

hybrid olive
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is osrs back up?

proven sedge
vivid ruin
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Yes

vale vale
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Not sure why they did that decision just makes it even more annoying to get

tall kelp
red scroll
analog crow
winter hearth
sullen mica
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What about contract one?

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# proven sedge contract one not auto completed

I think these require another Contract kc, have already raised with the team to see if they can retroactively complete for anybody who's obtained a purifying sigil piece or has a piece of radiant oathplate, but I don't think they're specifically 'tracked'. That said, the fights are a little different today so perhaps having to do another makes some sense, but it's been raised already

proven sedge
meager flame
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yeah i kinda feel bad for people if that can't be changed lol

tall kelp
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Just send the worm contract real quick doesn’t have to be a radiant one

analog crow
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otoh contracts are supposed to be easier now, so if they could do the previous ones they should be okay to do one more

meager flame
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yeah its just idk how much they paid to have already done it or how long it took them

upbeat moss
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Does pizza Yama count for the CA?

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If it's the same fight, why not, right?

tall kelp
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But you’re not using a contract on him

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So doubt

analog crow
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yeah

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Yama is particular about that kind of thing

upbeat moss
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Yeah but like, it's the same fight lol

meager flame
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real reason you'd be undercutting the whole concept of contracts and why they'd enjoy having people purchase attempts at CAs

analog crow
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No contract, no ca 🙂

meager flame
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so they're unlikely to allow that

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but maybe

hollow jungle
winter hearth
upbeat moss
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"standard" is normal yama

winter hearth
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As far as I'm aware

upbeat moss
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Thank you

analog crow
upbeat moss
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Mods, put egg on these guys faces

meager flame
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thats honestly very nice of the contract creators

tall kelp
hollow jungle
upbeat moss
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Standard is normal Yama. Advanced Yama is any contract that you use after that

winter hearth
tall kelp
upbeat moss
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You sign a contract to fight the normal version

winter hearth
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before you first fought Yama, you signed his 'standard' contract by holding down spacebar

upbeat moss
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Goblin noooo

meager flame
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ya thats probably going to confuse people

winter hearth
meager flame
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the only reason we hold spacebar is because this game doesn't allow addons that fully skip the text

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but yeah lol

winter hearth
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Same as people spacebarring through AKD on release and complaining that it's boring - the story was good 😦

meager flame
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but thats not exactly what i mean though

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i think most people know thematically they signed a contract but when they read an update post

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their brains probably aren't working that way

last onyx
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Is it 100x pizzas per attempts for the harder mode?

analog crow
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Is this someone's idea of a protest?

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meager flame
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they're going to assume a difference in the contracts in the contract system

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last onyx
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Perfect ty

wild badger