game-update

[vernal valve]

which is like 3% of the number of people currently online

[tacit pendant]

Torso just looks so good with quiver

[small anvil]

It's just weird that Ren Ren is like so offended in being told they're not the average player

It's a compliment if anything

[tacit wharf]

kids today

[covert parrot]

its just bait, ignore it

[tacit wharf]

🤷

[small anvil]

Nah, I'm convinced Ren Ren is genuine

[ember token]

same

[small anvil]

Just a very different pov

Which is nice, it's interesting to hear

Really focused on pushing and challenging themselves

[tacit pendant]

Yeah the rest of the game is too scared of hard stuff fr

Alot of people are very self defeating when it comes to like inferno

[ember token]

yeah if they were saying the average midgame player COULD do colo if they actually put effort into it then they would be correct

[plush gull]

its cuz its a harmful and objectively false perspective that jagex is apparently catering to

[minor whale]

I mean they also say they're gonna start doing awakened dt2 bosses when their account isn't even on hiscores for any dt2 normal boss

[small anvil]

I'm sorry but it is true Ren Ren . As much as you don't want it to be true

There's many people who don't even do fight caves

Let alone tackle stuff like inferno, Colo etc

[vernal valve]

go to the GE and lookup every account you see

you'll get a pretty good idea of how the average player looks

[plush gull]

theres thousands of people who do

[small anvil]

There's hundreds of thousands that don't

[plush gull]

people act like you need a 10b bank after playing for 8 years to do any pvm, its insane and harmful

[restive siren]

Confidently stating everyone else is objectively wrong when you were just disproven by data is a wild angle

[tacit wharf]

theres thousands of players that have 2

[dim ridge]

Week 1 of yama i checked and over 40,000 people had >5 clears of yama

[small anvil]

People lie to themselves about what's required to do things for sure

[dim ridge]

so there's plenty of good players

[vernal valve]

you absolutely don't need a 10b bank to do pvm, that doesn't change the fact that most people don't touch content bc they're scared of it

[plush gull]

not themselves, otherst oo

[vernal valve]

nobody's saying you can't do colo or whatever in rags

[tacit pendant]

Infernal cape in LEAGUES was only 17% of players

[minor whale]

Literally nobody thinks you have to have 10b to do pvm but to say you're a mid game player when you've got 100+ col kc is just hilariously wrong and out of touch

[plush gull]

dang thats high

[upbeat moss]

What's everyone's Yama KC? Regular, not contract

[tacit wharf]

havent had time yet, to go and do

[small anvil]

Ren Ren does not make the most financially sound decisions I think

They do not have all the profit from their Colo kc

[plush gull]

im not even good enough to do yama and i still attempted contracts day 1

[small anvil]

They spend it on orbs and deaths

You were trying to dharok yama lol

[plush gull]

for fun

and thats ok

people can play the game

its a game, go have fun

[dim ridge]

i'm farming the real money

[small anvil]

I'm pushing back on you not being good enough to do yama

You are if you'd just try to get the clear

[tacit pendant]

Made like half a bil so far. Yama great

[small anvil]

Farming demons so engaging

[vernal valve]

214, sent most of the KC in the first few days. it's aight. waiting for inevitable contract tweaks 💤

[tacit wharf]

well when all they try to do is 1hp dh bomb yama, ofc they cant get a kc

[dim ridge]

no its completely afk

im not even watching my screen

[small anvil]

It's so silly that jagex thinks killing demons in the chasm is worth promoting

I was being sarcastic lol

[plush gull]

its a game, anyone can do anything if they set their minds to it and practice

[dim ridge]

its just profitable NMZ right now

[small anvil]

It's a travesty of design

[dim ridge]

its no effort and i need to get my skills past 90 anyway

[small anvil]

That this is what they promote

[tacit pendant]

Tbf that was the whole idea for slayer until like what cerberus?

[dim ridge]

i think these contracts should have the rates nerfed and then on-slayer-task buffed

i'd like to see this be a slayer thing

[tacit pendant]

On task rate would be great

[red scroll]

all that is worth about 1 oathplate drop if that

[vestal jetty]

Just why?

[small anvil]

1 oath plate set

Not just a single drop lol

[tacit pendant]

Theres a dude that filled buckets of water to a tbow, dont ask questions u dont want the answer to

[red scroll]

the contracts are 300k bro

[small anvil]

A lot are higher than that

[plush gull]

bloodied blows are more expensive than orbs

[vestal jetty]

Soon they will be 100k each

[plush gull]

my main complaint rn

still worse than orbs

[small anvil]

And I think they sold some when they were higher

[plush gull]

nah theyll probably go up once people can buy them tomorrow

[red scroll]

the most expensive one you can get from demons in the caves is only 900k

you can NOT

get any of the acquisition ones

[small anvil]

I'm aware

[tacit pendant]

Oh yeah u literally cant buy more than 5, invest???

[dim ridge]

contracts were 15-20m/hr week 1

good money

[red scroll]

so if im being SUPER generous

and say all those contracts are 900k

[dim ridge]

most of those got sold for 7m-10m brother i think i confused this with gp/hr

[red scroll]

its not even worth 1/2 of wont oathplate drop rn

[dim ridge]

fyi

[red scroll]

i know im saying rn

[red scroll]

also this is a lie unless you sold them off the ge

the highest EVER sell for bloodied was 4.5 mil

[small anvil]

Bloodied was the cheapest

Iirc

[dim ridge]

one of em was like 8 and i had a ton of that

[red scroll]

which he has the most of

50 of his drops

are bloodied

sensory clouding your SECOND most common

only got to 4.5m

the best one you have forfiet breath got to 6.8 mil at the TOP

and you only have 15 of them

so saying "the majority sold for 8 to 10" is a major lie

[frail bough]

thats what he said, a ton of them 🙃

a literal ton!

[dim ridge]

yeah i'm not sure what i sold em for anymore

dont matter

[frail bough]

[red scroll]

kek.

[dim ridge]

big moni

[frail bough]

Anyone getting the nervous sweats for tomorrow's update?

[plush gull]

no im just angry about them not doing bonfires again

cuz i have no faith in jagex and am assuming

[red scroll]

more people are to busy lying about merching contracts than killing the actual boss

im happy that guy lost 8 bil on reddit

[frail bough]

😄

[dim ridge]

8 bil oh boy

how

[red scroll]

aquisition contract gamble

[dim ridge]

oh yeah someone just made a MMG for that one

86m/hr if you can duo it consistently

[red scroll]

yeah only 1 has been completed that is publicly known tho

[plush gull]

how are there not bots yet

[red scroll]

its ridiculous for no reason

[plush gull]

theres a recorded completion

[red scroll]

yeah ive only seen the 1

i think no bots cause its RNG

if you splash on the spawns

you wipe and lose 80mil

pretty annoying you can play perfect and if you splash you get wiped

cause you literally dont have time to kill them all if you splash to many times

[plush gull]

oh right, the lethal voidflare explosions that you cant tick eat or stall

awful mechanic

[red scroll]

yeah he has special text if you try to cheese it

and he insta kills you

[plush gull]

bloodied blows is the only contract im interested in

[red scroll]

gl getting chanced

[plush gull]

technically u can tick eat the explosions even if boss heals

also cant u bring sweets into yama, not that ive tried or can afford sweets

would let u camp 1 hp for fun on his chip damage normal attacks even tho it would cut dps by like half

[red scroll]

yeh boss full heals tho

rip

i wouldnt be very suprised if they nerf the hp on contracts

at least the duo ones

that are suppose to be "easier"

[dim ridge]

i think the only issue with contracts is that the loot from them drops from normally killing the boss

pet shoulda been contract only, oathplate contract only and shards drop from normal boss kills, ect

[plush gull]

if contracts were free to attempt that could be interesting

[lament peak]

the only way to obtain oathplate should be contracts
also basically nobody has completed the contract
just discord things

[vernal valve]

the recorded completion is for a duo worms contract. the oathplate contract is the "Same", but it has to be soloed. there are 0 known completions of it.

as far as we know, the solo version is probably possible, but people are pretty sure it's bugged and the guy who was attempting them has given up. so, people are just waiting for changes

nvm he hasn't given up, jraze is back on the horn contract again, lmao

[plush gull]

how many seconds has it just taken me to delete from memory the fact that a 80m ecumenical key exists 🤮

[tacit pendant]

Tommorow or thurs hmmm

[vernal valve]

tomorrow is thursday?

[plush gull]

14 hours

[tacit pendant]

Holy moly

Sorry allergies are awful and im doped up on 3 benadryls just trying to stay afloat

[restive sapphire]

looking at the sailing poll roadmap
sailiing leading to you having the right to do more slayer which gives you the right to kill certain monsters
i cant wait for the next skill "law"
so i can practice law for the right to sail further which gives me the right to do more slayer which gives me the right to kill certain monsters

[fossil epoch]

Poor thing

[restive siren]

Why are you fixating on slayer, sailing seems to interact with every Single other skill, pvm, exploration, clogs, literally everything

Which is bad i guess?

[restive sapphire]

i didn't say it was bad
but i will always say that the closest skill to sailing is slayer
and i wonder if people will be receptive to the skill after sailing being a utility skill

[restive siren]

You made it sound pretty bad

[sacred oracle]

reading this chat history was a journey

i'm glad to know yama contracts are midgame tho

i learn a lot here

just your typical midgamer doing yama contracts and colo

[frail bough]

Wait until you hear about firecape being endgame

[tacit pendant]

Dont get them started again pls

Slayer is one of the most beloved skills in the game though. So like, sailing being similar (which is a stretch) isnt a bad thing

[ember token]

slayer is the most popular skill and it's a minigame

people say sailing is a minigame therefore sailing will also be a popular skill

[tacit pendant]

Sailing literally creates a completly unique movement type. The pvm potential on that alone is gonna be crazy and i highly doubt they would have done the necessary work to get to that point without it being on a skill

[gentle badge]

Agility on water LFG

[small anvil]

Lol no shot sailing gets incorporated into regular pvm

[ember token]

not just sailing itself but the technical benefits, like they could do stuff like moving platforms if they wanted now

[tacit pendant]

I would love an actual end game skilling minigame. 7mil an hour but you can wipe/lose unless you are good at it

[small anvil]

It would just be an encounter in that movement system at most

Wouldn't be a hybrid

[tacit pendant]

I mean

Its really not hard to imagine a boss hitting you on the boat with lightning tiles while also swinging at the boat

[ember token]

there will be bosses you fight on a ship

[tacit pendant]

1000%

[small anvil]

I'm saying the movement won't be part of normal combat movement

[meager flame]

i hope they just stay away from you trying to sail your ship and do normal pve movements at the same time

[tacit pendant]

It will

[small anvil]

The systems can't coexist

[tacit pendant]

The first thing they showcased was that it does coexist??

[meager flame]

i cant think of any worse gameplay than entering and exiting the facilities on your ship

while you try to fight normally

[small anvil]

It would at most be a phase within a fight or the entire fight

[tacit pendant]

Ships are platforms there are no doors

[ember token]

I think that would be saved for multiplayer content

[sacred oracle]

i'm not a fan of slayer, i think it's incredibly boring and is just "kill stuff wearing a funny hat"

i think it's a big missed opportunity to do interesting things

[meager flame]

it will likely be you stand on your ship and fight it normally or you fight it with your ship

but no combinations of those two things

at least not at the same time

[sacred oracle]

if sailing is like slayer, it is at least trying to be interesting so far

[meager flame]

maybe you like weaken the npc with your ship then get out of it when its time for the last phase

or whatever

[lament peak]

cthullu boss when

[tacit pendant]

It would be a missed oppurtunity to not make an end game boss that asks you to manage ship movement and on ship player movement at the same time

[gentle badge]

They better add devil fruits, that'll help a lot

[ember token]

one person captaining the ship to dodge attacks, one person firing the cannons, one person attacking traditionally

[sacred oracle]

people love group content

what could go wrong

[meager flame]

yeah they would miss the chance for some of the worst gameplay of all time

lmao

[small anvil]

You can't move on your ship while sailing can you?

[meager flame]

at least if they tried to combine them

[small anvil]

Have to stop first

[tacit pendant]

Maybe you need a tradeable "piece of 8" before you fight the hard mode sailing boss

[meager flame]

if you do one then the other for a different phase it would be different

but if you were like

[vernal valve]

can't wait for the group endgame sailing boss (You Need To Salvage Map Parts To Fight It)

[vernal valve]

he made the joke first 😭

[meager flame]

dodging fireballs then hopping on to steer the ship for like 2 ticks then hopping off

boy that would be an ass boss fight

[sacred oracle]

barrelchest anchor will be bis for sailing

[tacit wharf]

would be one or the other, as you'd have "crew" do certain activites

[gentle badge]

I hope every sailing boss fight is just the annoying part of bone voyage

[meager flame]

i honestly think its really likely that you get some kind of encounter that starts with you sailing

and ends with you getting off your ship to kill whatever it is

[small anvil]

Yeah it could be a phase

[lament peak]

oh god imagine skillers find washed up map pieces and sell to the top .0001% to locate a boss

[small anvil]

But there's no shot we have fluid switching between both

[meager flame]

or it could be the other way around

[small anvil]

It just won't work from the engine

[meager flame]

like you fight it until it tries to escape and you have to chase it down with your ship

[small anvil]

You can have yama judge intermission sailing

[vernal valve]

genuinely might cause the playerbase to spontaneously combust

[small anvil]

You can't have move on ship and move ship without a click to interact with the helm of the ship

[ember token]

yeah i dont see content where you're rapidly switching between navigating and not navigating, at most it would only be if you're trying to solo multiplayer content without any crew mates

[gentle badge]

Mmm yes, sailing contracts

[hard axle]

Said this as soon as they said sailing-locked areas

[sacred oracle]

ocean-only clue

[meager flame]

what about woodcutting on boats

[hard axle]

The blog isn’t awful but lack of rewards mentioned is wack

[small anvil]

Agility locked content

[sacred oracle]

i barely skimmed the blog

[small anvil]

It's time

[sacred oracle]

was anything standout?

[ember token]

thats in the upcoming blogs no?

[hard axle]

Hey guys, hear me out

[vernal valve]

reward blog is gonna be real interesting when that comes out

[ember token]

they said this was part 1 of 3

[meager flame]

nah its just standard

[vernal valve]

yeah blog 3

[meager flame]

like

[sacred oracle]

the details of sailing have gotten boring to me, i'll explore the skill when it's released

[meager flame]

i expect blog 1 to just pass

[hard axle]

Yeah the current one doesn’t have

[lament peak]

the rewards are decorations for your ship duh

[meager flame]

its what you would directly expect from sailing

[hard axle]

No no guys hear me out

HEAR ME out

[sacred oracle]

we are getting so many details

[meager flame]

like

[hard axle]

Guys hear me the fuck out

[meager flame]

should we add quests

islands have new things on them like trees and rocks

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-tell-you-something-meme-gipf-let-me-tell-you-something-let-me-tell-you-let-me-tell-you-seomthing-meme-wait-let-me-tell-you-something-gif-11295314300925847882

[sacred oracle]

i'm not sure the level of detail is helpful, but maybe i just personally find it boring and other people are reading it raptly

[meager flame]

you can fish on the ocean

okay jagex

[gentle badge]

I don't see how sailing will be meaningfully interesting as an actual mechanic without procedurally generated exploration

[meager flame]

lol

we need to hurry up and get to the next 2 blogs

[ember token]

agility locks practically no areas though so i dont get the comparison

[hard axle]

You specifically

[vernal valve]

yeah i get the movement way from polling every little thing that gets added to the game but like

[hard axle]

We make firemaking viable and into a combat skill

[gentle badge]

And now it will!

[vernal valve]

"should we add cute turtle quest? 🙂 " yeah ofc that's gonna pass give me some real juice

[hard axle]

By introducing

[chrome lantern]

What are we arguing about right now, just got here

[hard axle]

And hear me the fuck out

[sacred oracle]

i like the turtle people

[small anvil]

Sailing

[hard axle]

^this is my idea

[lament peak]

the racing and navigating is going to be such a snorefest

[meager flame]

ya this part is just vaguely do you actually want the most basic and expected additions with sailing that we refuse to elaborate on?

[ember token]

when you think about it, sailing is basically ocean quests because quests lock content and areas behind them

[meager flame]

and like

[hard axle]

we make firemaking into a bomb making skill

[meager flame]

sure yeah just put the poll on right now

its passing

[chrome lantern]

Definitely going to be a weird balance between fast travel and making sailing between islands feel like it should exist at all

[meager flame]

i mean the way i see it is that likely

[sacred oracle]

teleport to boat spell in standard spellbook

[ember token]

they said in the blog that islands will have teleports + teleport to boat will exist

[sacred oracle]

i demand to be able to create a houseboat

[vernal valve]

as long as the description of a quest doesn't include the word "Wilderness" I cannot imagine a poll for "should we add a quest" ever failing

[gentle badge]

Let us fire dynamite out of cannons 😤 (I have way too much dynamite)

[meager flame]

you unlock the islands and probably charter a ship or teleport or something along those lines usually

and you actually get in your ship to go do something

[sacred oracle]

let me combine poh and pob or i riot

[meager flame]

like fishing

[small anvil]

How pushed is content going to need to be to want to sail there to do it there

[meager flame]

or killing npcs or delivering stuff

[hard axle]

We have poison dynmaties already

Why the fuck not

[chrome lantern]

Yeah at which point if you can fast travel between islands, it's a 1nd sailing unlock then it's unrelated from sailing forever

[gentle badge]

True

[lament peak]

ok but I need a spirit tree on my boat

[ember token]

you'll be able to teleport to anywhere you can dock because you could just leave one of your boats there and use teleport to boat presumably

[hard axle]

I just want to bomb shit in game

[meager flame]

like i honestly doubt you sail that often if you aren't training sailing

[ember token]

unless thats not how it works idk

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

i suppose it depends though

maybe it will be the way we gather food instead of afk karambwans or whatever

which would be fine imo

also

why were karambwans left off the offcuts lists

[lament peak]

what if
kingdom 2.0

[meager flame]

but turtles and shit were on them

[sacred oracle]

i assume there will be sea combat for slayer, so you might have to spend quite a bit of time on boat killing stuff

[hard axle]

I really hope they take the barracuda trials and focus on that so it’s closer to sepulcher training method

Like please

[gentle badge]

Deep sea trawler is a good idea, but they seem to worry about devaluing the existing trawler 💀

[hard axle]

I was to zoom

[sacred oracle]

devalue trawler

immediate 100% pass, poll it

[lament peak]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Player-owned_port it's happening

[meager flame]

im ngl if i could get hired at jagex for like 48 hours

the trawler would be a casualty

[gentle badge]

Because karambwan are not fish, duh

[meager flame]

the turtles though

and crabs

[sacred oracle]

anything is a fish if you believe in your heart

[ember token]

im concerned there's only 1 new barracuda trial on the new map

assuming this is a barracuda trial

[chrome lantern]

Barracuda was neat in the alpha yeah

[gentle badge]

I believe I am a fish

[ember token]

how many offcuts are you worth

[chrome lantern]

One of my buddies went crazy trying to finish the last trial and making small mistakes that cost him a lot

[hard axle]

The lack of actual water in between lands was always a concern

[meager flame]

i honestly think it was kind of harder than sepulchre

[gentle badge]

At least 11, on a good day

[hard axle]

They’ll need to just make it instances

[gentle badge]

Premium too

[meager flame]

but it was because their like

gameplay tuning was weird

[chrome lantern]

Yes and not, it was a new movement system

[meager flame]

if you didnt mess up you would destroy the timer

but if you made a mistake it was basically over

[ember token]

idk it looks small on the map but in the beta when actually playing it feels way bigger

[chrome lantern]

The first time I actually cleared it I made a couple fairly egregious mistakes

[meager flame]

probably need to adjust that somehow

[plush gull]

they should make deep sea fishing drop awakener orbs

[meager flame]

like let ships speed up after a big mistake faster or something

so that making mistakes that matter wasn't like

the worst thing ever

although at the same time

if you just hit some rocks and stop its kinda fair you need to learn to sail the ship

[ember token]

i dont think they need to make it less punishing

[meager flame]

but it felt weird that you couldn't really recover from making a huge mistake

[analog crow]

Backwater more like dogwater lololol
nah fr tho looks dope I can't wait

[meager flame]

compared to like sepulchre where i could probably fail the last trap like 9 times

and still make the timer

[plush gull]

“offcuts”

is this a british word, i lived in that shithole for years and never heard it anywhere

[ember token]

i would say thats more sepulchre is too forgiving, there's even the tokens you can use to give yourself extra time

[gentle badge]

Sepulchre is fine

That's just sailing being unforgiving

[hard axle]

But other areas too

That’s probably why it’s just one patch of ocean

[meager flame]

what i am not looking forward to

[tacit wharf]

pieces of something at are less desirable or "throwaway" pieces of fish/meat

[meager flame]

is the ungodly tile packs that are incoming

for the trials

[gentle badge]

Yea lol

[tacit wharf]

think hotdog meat

[meager flame]

dudes are going to have like turning lanes drawn on the floor and everything

[plush gull]

so you only cut the gross parts off the fish and throw away the fish? 🤔

[ember token]

sepulchre has you go through all the easy floors every run so it makes sense to be more forgiving so you dont waste someone's time by making them go back to the beginning because they failed a floor 5 trap twice

[meager flame]

in the middle of the ocean

[tender harness]

MFW we are calling a gulf a strait

[meager flame]

ngl if i were jagex

i would use as much random ship terminology as i could and when they finally thought they had me figured out

i would throw in larboard instead of port

[analog crow]

green is on brand for feldip

[meager flame]

and see what people think

[ember token]

I think the strait is more the upper part above the text, its just lower because there's not really room further up

[tender harness]

thats not a gulf though unless the text is not in the right spot

[gentle badge]

I just want the Grand Line in RuneScape, and I'll be happy

[ember token]

the strait is the part further up above the "strait of khazard" text because there isnt room to put the text higher up

[meager flame]

im ngl

[gentle badge]

Please lie

[meager flame]

i think they're naming way too many parts of the ocean for no reason

lmao

like they just really want to name everything

[gentle badge]

Okay so I thought this as well

[ember token]

it's for sea charting I believe

[hard axle]

Send them back to floor 1 or fucking else

[tender harness]

a straight is a passage of water connecting two seas or other large bodies of water
those technically arent straits lol

[gentle badge]

They need to give me a spot to park my boat on the shores of the kharazi jungle, that's what I know

[plush gull]

just call everything a pond

[meager flame]

im kinda surprised they dont have a better way to get into that part of the game

[ember token]

true yeah i think it's a strait more in that land sense

[meager flame]

diary teleport is pretty good but

[ember token]

where its just like a tighter area between pieces of land

[meager flame]

we have teleports to like every other tile in the game at this point

[plush gull]

where is that, reminds me of gibraltar

[tender harness]

zul'rah boat battle?

dont let memes be dreams

[green pewter]

Thats because it is gibraltar

[ember token]

it is gibraltar

[gentle badge]

That's why teleport to boat will go so hard

[gentle badge]

Omg I would love cannon barraging zulrah from the water 😭🙏

[chrome lantern]

Kinda hope it's an item and not just a standard spellbook tele

Or at least Nexusable

[tender harness]

nah add a new spellbook

for pirate spells

because lore

[gentle badge]

Pirate spells hell yeah

[chrome lantern]

The Teleport to Boat spellbook

[ember token]

better start gathering clay for your teleport to boat tabs

[gentle badge]

Piramancy

[tender harness]

also missed opportunity for a dock up here

would make for some funny pvp

get specced the fuck out coming off a boat

[chrome lantern]

Enough to get started

[plush gull]

Softlentifier golden r

[meager flame]

thats what the sailing cape is for

teleport to boat

[chrome lantern]

Probably

[tender harness]

we cant even have the right slepe

😭

[meager flame]

imagine the water is actually changed to these colors in game

[hard axle]

WAIT

we can run over zulrah

[minor whale]

That one is just a pun for sure

[hard axle]

Stupid snake bitch

[tender harness]

most likely

[ember token]

i think we're getting these colors though

[tender harness]

imagine rolling up to zulrah with 99 sailing and just blasting the fuck out of that dumb snake bitch and getting the speed run CAs

[meager flame]

we might be honestly

i want to say you can just do the lighting differently and use a standard water color to make things feel different but

[ember token]

with skyboxes I think it might actually look pretty good

[meager flame]

everyone on runelite would be screwed if they did that

[tender harness]

untamed ocean be like

fucking lava

[ember token]

thrown overboard, boiled to death in the water before you can drown

[tender harness]

and literally provide no explanation other than lore and the fossil expedition has more money than you for a boat to get to the island

[meager flame]

i actually really dont like that they're not releasing all of the oceans at first

[gentle badge]

Teleport to boat to slepe??? New nightmare tech

[meager flame]

especially the super obvious ones like around mory

i feel like that will be super odd feeling

[tender harness]

I dont mind. would rather things be polished even if its staggered

than released with fuck all to do

[meager flame]

i would probably like it more if they weren't allowing us into oceans that are out of the way a bit

[ember token]

i would imagine the eastern ocean is being delayed so they release it with the cursed archipelago and pirate storyline stuff

[tender harness]

^

[meager flame]

but they're just going with the entire eastern side of the map etc

just not being there

[ember token]

untamed ocean is because they havent figured out sailing pvp yet

[restive sapphire]

hm bosses u think will come with sailing

[tender harness]

a lot of the delays are more so probably to tie into story stuff would be the guess

[restive sapphire]

on release

[vivid ruin]

Sailing is all of the sudden really exciting!

[ember token]

forgotten ocean is because idk its not that big and who cares whats over there

[tender harness]

cant wait for sailing to be here before varla part 3

[meager flame]

yeah like that part of the ocean

they can hold that back

keep that hidden jagex

lmao

[gentle badge]

And Menaphos!!!

[tender harness]

wym

menaphos is there

[ember token]

theyre already adding a placeholder area for menaphos

[meager flame]

i want menaphos bad but i also wanted the vampires so

[gentle badge]

Can I go into Menaphos or no? 🤔

[meager flame]

at least they announced the one thing that i would take in its place potentially

[ember token]

you cant go in

[gentle badge]

EXACTLY

[meager flame]

and yeah they said menaphos is an update on the scale of varlamore

[tender harness]

the fact it has a place holder already unlike varla part 3

[green pewter]

Idk what you mean with the varlamore ocean its gonna be there on sailing release because varla pt 3 comes out before sailing

[meager flame]

aka see you in 2027

[gentle badge]

I've waited 20 years for menaphos

Gib to me

[green pewter]

They probably wanted to keep the varlamore map hidden for varla release

[tacit pendant]

Realistically its 2027 fr

[chrome lantern]

I like that it will at least take up less space than Varlamore though xd

[tender harness]

you have it in RS3. its just the shittier and worse version of it

[ember token]

and you know menaphos has to come with the desert finale

[tacit pendant]

Raids 4 and fleshing out sailing next year

[meager flame]

i am worried they'll do it like prif

[ember token]

hope they dont but i bet they will

[meager flame]

prif is really cool until you realize you have no reason to be there

[tender harness]

prif with no GE, no max guild

[tacit pendant]

Ironmen go there to die

[tender harness]

max guild was nice because it quite literally was the filter for people who didnt play the game

[meager flame]

idk why jagex is so worried about making stuff like that

we already sit in the crafting guild we don't talk to the noobs at the ge

[tender harness]

because of the vocal crowd with reddit

[vernal valve]

ah yes, prif, city of the UIMs.

[ember token]

same reason we dont have quest reqs higher than 70s

[meager flame]

like

[tender harness]

literally max guild having teleports to all the bosses in the game was kinda dope

[meager flame]

you go to the ge to make friends, get lured, see spam bots and eventually question what you were even doing

lmao and for some reason people on reddit are like

[tacit pendant]

Itll be 5 years before its safe for jagex to assume average player has base 90s

[meager flame]

its the greatest social interaction of all time

[vernal valve]

w8 that's sick as fuck

[plush gull]

prif is bad that quest was horrible

[gentle badge]

I just want them to make the clan hall more interesting/useful, along with a direct teleport

[plush gull]

also why do fossil island, prif, and whisperer have such shit fps

[vernal valve]

we got lesser demon killing and mining moneymaker with endgame boss idk if 5 years is gonna be enough

[tender harness]

ye it literally would teleport you outside boss rooms in GWD
outside kalaphite queen or king lair
portals would put you basically right next to the boss room

giga QOL

because you know Maxing

[ember token]

you could also hire NPCs in the max guild to do activities for you while you're offline, like kill bosses or collect resources

[restive siren]

Oh god thats lame

[ember token]

just kidding i made that up

[restive siren]

K never trusting, you again

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-meme-grin-gif-12994505

[red scroll]

Good bait

[restive siren]

And the boss portals sound cool but i wouldnt want those in osrs i think

[tender harness]

I think theyd be fine. you can gate them to KC requirements to open obv

[ember token]

gate behind greenlog

[restive siren]

Lobby games are meh

[tender harness]

when you max you literally have nothing much else to do

its either clog, or quit

[ember token]

the max guild should have a pet daycare you can bring your pet to and watch it interact with everybody else's pets

[vernal valve]

max guild pet chao garden would be the best content addition i could imagine for the game

[austere mulch]

Or speedrun content which is an ever moving target

[true talon]

ahh yes when you run out of stuff to do, you start becoming deranged chasing RNG gated times lol.

[dusty shore]

What time does the news post for an update go up?

[ember token]

11 hrs 30 minutes

[hard axle]

Unless you’re going for world records or near it, speedrunning can still just be going fast and not being shit

[chrome lantern]

Wouldn't you just call that playing well

[vernal valve]

not necessarily

strats for getting runs as fast as possible and strats for getting as many kc/hr consistently aren't the same

both can be optimized and have different goals

[tacit pendant]

You can also pick up pvp.

If you were gonna quit or clog you probably have plenty you dont mind risking

[hard axle]

Yeah, when we speedran, we didn’t go super hard

[chrome lantern]

Not caring about clog for clog number sake at all is why I switched to iron :)

[austere mulch]

Speed runs are, by a significant portion, skill-based content

There is a lot of rng required in wr times, but speedrunning doesn’t necessarily mean going for rec. And even at that level, skill becomes consistency. If you can perform at the required level 20% of the time, you’ll need a lot more rng than someone/some team that can perform 80% of the time for example

[tacit pendant]

Just getting the best pb on stuff out of your circle is a flex

[true talon]

At that point, your just playing well. your not speed running. your going faster than someone who is relaxing. but your not speed running. speed running is basically going for personal best each an every attempt and trying to beat records.

[austere mulch]

Personal bests are records

[vernal valve]

there's no older runescape tradition than someone trying to explain to someone else that actually, the words they used mean something totally different.

[austere mulch]

If you’re going for a s50 inferno, you’re speedrunning

S50 isn’t rec

[tacit pendant]

Playing for efficient item farming and speedrunning are not the same

You prioritize sustain over venge sbs zcb bullshit when "playing well"

Thats just the most obvious example but, your loadout prioritizes potential over consistency in speeds anything

And toa speedrunning is funny cuz "expert" pbs are 300s which is not farmed

[austere mulch]

Within reason, at least. Consistency still insane value 🤣

[tacit pendant]

Of course

[vernal valve]

"why don't speedrunners just go for zcb bolt proc on every hit? are they stupid?"

[tacit pendant]

Exactly

Zcb luck maxing would make for a funny insane guy youtube series

[true talon]

Like i dont get it here? speed running is something thats done to beat records and beat each time each attempt. if your just calling playing well and doing methods to save ticks and put out most dps is speed running, then i dunno what to tell you. thats literally just optimizing simpified content to a level in which you feel you are doing more than someone who is not.
IE. your 40 min inferno cape is the same as my 5 hour one. they got the same stats, because you believe one is more impressive than the other doesnt make it true.

[tacit pendant]

I can see the youtube title already "I spent 2000 hours to break this 5 year old wr with this strategy"

[vernal valve]

speed running is done bc people think it's fun. some people exclusively chase records, but a ton of people speedrun with no expectation to get WRs, or even beat their own PB every time.

idk why that's hard to grasp

[austere mulch]

People call grandmaster times speedruns

Because it’s just a pb for them

Good players can average better than that “speedrun” time

[tacit pendant]

If you speedrun yama for example, you ferox everykill

[austere mulch]

Meaning speedruns are skill based

[true talon]

Because its not speed running, its playing well. there is a difference lol.

[tacit pendant]

Thats not playing well

[vernal valve]

speed running is just doing something with the objective of doing it as fast as you can.

[austere mulch]

Things like Oblv and Sanity diaries require speedruns

[vernal valve]

no, because the methods a person might employ while just playing well/getting money KC and strats for speedrunning are not the same

[austere mulch]

You can complete the Oblv diary and not have a single wr

[vernal valve]

they aren't doing the same things, and they don't serve the same goal

there's a difference between someone grinding out colo for money and someone trying to do colo as fast as possible

[hard axle]

there’s a fucking massive gulf between speedrunning and just playing well that you can clear consistently

[austere mulch]

Playing well is playing efficiently

[true talon]

But why would i care about oblv diary if its a fake requirement setup by a group of elitiest to somehow stand out among the rest?

[austere mulch]

Speedruns aren’t efficient

[hard axle]

like Colo speedrun time is 24 minutes and that’s a joke

[austere mulch]

Red herring here

[vernal valve]

nobody cares if you care man

[austere mulch]

It’s just an example, don’t get caught up on it with feels

[tacit pendant]

I remember why i blocked lol

[austere mulch]

Speedrunning just means going for good times

Going for rec times is a subset

[true talon]

You cant just take speed running as a defintion and say its what you say it is lol.

[vernal valve]

you are literally doing that

😭

[hard axle]

So is a 130 minute inferno kc considered speedrunning

[true talon]

no im defining what its been used for since its creation of speed running or time trialing in video games

[tacit pendant]

The guy just comes in here to embaress himself on the daily

[vernal valve]

no you're not, you're just wrong

a speed run isn't defined as a speedrun post-mortem if and only if the runner beat their PB

[true talon]

whatever you think buddy, stay in your delusional bubble that you saving .6 seconds a kill is "speed running"

[vernal valve]

like c'mon man get real

[vernal valve]

i fear that i am not an osrs speedrunner man, your stance is just ridiculous

[hard axle]

You are permanently in your bubble fym

[ember token]

speedrunning is going for wr, but if you dont get the wr it was still a speedrun

[hard axle]

yeah, I don’t think there’s a hardcore defined threshold that dictates what speedrunning is

But if you’re just playing well, you don’t have to be speedrunning

[hard axle]

Whether or not you use the speedrunning techs or not, I think intent does matter

But there’s a cutoff as well

[tacit pendant]

Speeds take unnecessary risks that get you killed more than efficient farming. Speeds are not playing well

[vernal valve]

that's true, that's why u get permabanned from the super monkey ball speedrun discord if you admit that you aren't going for WR Expert course

[hard axle]

Cuz you can mean to go fast, but a 130 minute infenro is not a speed

[vernal valve]

no fake runners allowed! 😠

[austere mulch]

Are Oblv diary times (which aren’t record times) speedruns or are they not

If they are (they are), then speedrunning doesn’t exclusively mean going for wr

It’s impossible to get those times without doing speedrunning methods

[tacit pendant]

You can kill a boss for, gp, clogs, speedtime, or pet. And some bosses that means playing differently based on your goal

[austere mulch]

Which aren’t efficient to do

Therefore, simply “playing well(efficient)” alone is not adequate for speedrun times

[hard axle]

Wait, I just read what he said.

Is he seriously thinking that if you don’t beat the world record ever time, it’s not speedrunning?

????

[austere mulch]

“I don’t care about Oblv diary” - before you say that, again, that’s not the point

[hard axle]

Every speedrunner would shoot his delusional ass for that train of thought because you fail dozens and hundreds of times before you get Rec

[austere mulch]

2 ticks off rec? You were just playing well. You weren’t speedrunning

[hard axle]

like???

[vernal valve]

incorporating new strats into your run? sorry buddy those are just practice runs, they're not speeds until they're consistent enough for a PB

[tacit pendant]

Scythe in inv at inferno is difference between speeds and playing well

[vernal valve]

Sad!

[hard axle]

I’d argue you can even speed just ranged camping

s45 ranged only?

[tacit pendant]

Tru

Actually no, fuck you, thats playing well

[hard axle]

I see I see

[austere mulch]

two hours after resetting sote entry for pb/diary time

He’s not speedrunning, he’s just playing well

Playing well = not completing the raid

[hard axle]

IE. your 40 min inferno cape is the same as my 5 hour one. they got the same stats, because you believe one is more impressive than the other doesnt make it true.

You know whats the funniest part about this hypocrisy.

He shits on other game modes when the gear is fundamentally the same and he’s still missing fully ancy

[tacit pendant]

Oh man wheres that from

[hard axle]

he typed that above

so technically anyone with ancy is better?

[tacit pendant]

Im blaming him next time my gotr game fails fs

Irons man

[slender vapor]

Fucking ironmen have ruined ironman

They're the reason i lost my job, my house and my wife

They're the reason the economy is so shit

[true talon]

Were irons causing this? i dont remember what that was about lol

[tough nacelle]

A meme, but some irons waited until the runes they wanted would come up

And you'd lose gotr

Instead of just stabilizing at the start

But mostly just meme

[slender vapor]

Let's be real here, it's legit everyone that skips it

Because gotr punishes you for doing it

[tender harness]

Kind of a problem with this game. Once you max the options in general are just limited

[slender vapor]

You delay your mining which fucks up the portal spawn timings all game for you

[sacred oracle]

I don't understand that point of view. Once I maxed, it just meant I was free to play the game

[hard axle]

I’m sorry

[sacred oracle]

It just means you don't have to worry about xp any more and are free to do any content and have any goals you want

[hard axle]

I was the worst offender of this

[sacred oracle]

I haven't played a bit less since maxing

[hard axle]

I’m one of the reasons why the minimum requirement to get rewards is now 300 points

[slender vapor]

AFK rc exp too strong

Nerf immediately

[hard axle]

No no, I was already 99

Was for pet

@tender harness this guy knows

[tender harness]

And still no shit talker pet too I bet

Bruh leave me and my 3 gort pets alone

[hard axle]

Was busy afking

[tough nacelle]

@hard axle when did you become an iron

[austere mulch]

40min inferno just means you played well. He didn’t care to do so and that’s why his was longer. Has nothing to do with skill

[hard axle]

Yes but no

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-cat-gif-10509136336940662808

[hard axle]

we could use Jagex’s own definition of times as speedrunning, which is often just money running now

[oak steppe]

@jagex surely bonfire QOL update tonight??

[slender vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/pernalonga-meme-pernalonga-no-no-não-nao-gif-27211143

[vivid ruin]

Day #317 of asking about bonfire update

[ember token]

thats a lot of days for a poll that was only a month or so ago

[tacit pendant]

Best i can do is adjust dossier to drop chivalry scroll.

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

[minor whale]

They're probably not gonna be touching anything outside of Yama tbh

Until it's in a "good enough" state

[spare rose]

Bonfire update plz

[sacred oracle]

bonfire, clue, and yama update tonight

and also sailing

(to be clear, i am joking, please don't listen to me)

(now or in general)

[true talon]

Daily reminder dark demonbane should be 4 tick to match the other demonbane weps

[minor whale]

That would be insanely OP unless it got a moderately huge damage debuff

[tough nacelle]

4 tick 80 hit item or death

[rain fulcrum]

We r getting 1 more Yama update max tbh

[narrow folio]

That would be a nerf if dmg was equalized due to rune cost

We do NOT want this

[rain fulcrum]

After that it's going into the eternal backlog

To exist only in the heart of some jira ticket

[minor whale]

Dark Demonbane + MOD is already comparable DPS against K'ril as the other 2
Better dps than scorching bow already, worse than Emberlight but all within .5 dps of each other

[rain fulcrum]

Avg tassili balance take tbh

Shadow should be 4t as well

To match other powered staves

[narrow folio]

It's not just attack speed but also damage per attack that matters so while it wouldn't be necessarily better or worse dps, the rune cost still matters

[minor whale]

This would be hilariously OP lmfao

[true talon]

Doesnt seem better

[minor whale]

This is against Yama using just mage during enrage while mage tank

[tacit pendant]

delete dark demone bane and add 4t purging

bam diet harm staff

[true talon]

you didnt factor in the eldermaul you get for free due to horn

[tacit pendant]

or mark of dark

also bro just use emberlight, you could have learned donofly in the time you've spent mad about mage being ez but worse

[minor whale]

Legit
Begging for Mage to be made even stronger when it's already an incredible option for people who don't want to learn to do the harder methods

[true talon]

I do?

what mage is fucking piss weak

and melee is not harder lol

[minor whale]

Alright I'm not engaging anymore I don't want to get drain bamage with that take again LMAO

Good luck Tassili and anyone who argues with him tonight about this

[narrow folio]

I wanted to learn melee bc the rune cost is cringe. Also better dps. I'm just hoping it gets nerfed somehow cause ignoring p3 mechanics is dumb

[minor whale]

[tacit pendant]

shadow gets huge buff next boss drop

[true talon]

I mean there is role based mechanics in yama duo encounter that people been screeching for. but since mage is 25% worst dps, why even bother doing it.

[sacred oracle]

jagex have previously indicated they were fine with donofly remaining, but i've always had in back of mind that they may nuke it just the same

or at least nerf it like butterfly so that it can't be used for the entire p3

i'm vaguely annoyed by the method, but not justifiably

[true talon]

Sadly they cant nuke it to get you out of cycle, the astral flares basically what try to do that. but its very easy to deal with them.

[sacred oracle]

it's annoying to do, and i don't like feeling pressured to learn it to get to do duos

[true talon]

and remain or get back into cycle

[sacred oracle]

but at the same time, that's mostly a me problem isn't it

[winged mantle]

Donofly feels rewarding to have learned and feels so much better than face tank melee or mage dodging the hourglass explosions

I hope they leave it be

It would be like if they removed akkha butterfly and forced you to engage with that room without

Oof

[true talon]

Good, this is the only way to actually fix a design problem with a boss.

They allow it, because its easier than properly fixing the boss

[tacit pendant]

Messing up the cycle and having to do the boss or get back into cycle is fun. 3t ember nofly is also bis and doesnt "ignore" the fight

[narrow folio]

I feel like just delaying until delve gear first if oath isn't that big of an impact. We'll see...

[winged mantle]

Just because players find an alternative way to engage with a boss does not make that way wrong or invalidate that method or mean it needs to be removed. Nintendo comes to mind with a lot of their titles and it's so cookie cutter

[narrow folio]

"Nofly" seems more of what was intended yeah

[sacred oracle]

which one is that? i've lost track, i tried learning gregfly, but i couldn't figure out how to get back in cycle if i made a mistake

so i just keep dying or tping out

i think i'd have better luck with a method you can reset

[tacit pendant]

No fly has u stepping back and kinda slowly rotating around boss

Donofly isnt bad to reset just hang at 1 and wait for pointing up

[sacred oracle]

but surely you can't just do that anytime

[tacit pendant]

3t ember is a better name than "fly" bs

[winged mantle]

Also the only reason people learnt to do any fly methods is because yama doesn't deal damage through prayer for mage and range like he does melee. That plus the flares spawning

[tacit pendant]

I mean sure. But honestly if you want anytime and not 3t ember. Just bring a few mages switches for fuckups

Youll kill him faster insta switching mage, than fucking with the cycle badly

[sacred oracle]

hmmm maybe i try again after we see what's in this update

i want to learn a fly method but i'm just really impatient and would rather consistently kill the boss than spend hours not killing the boss and dying

[winged mantle]

The boss feels better with fly methods. Worth the trial and error

Imo

[sacred oracle]

you're almost certainly right

[tacit pendant]

Donofly really shouldnt take ya hours. Pm me dude id be down to run it and teach a lil tommorow. Im not like a god gamer by any means but its easier to learn duo

Maybe later tn

[true talon]

Dark demonbane is not even balanced around being 5 tick. its 5 tick because all spell casting is 5 tick due to old systems.

its far to weak being 5 tick and thats why its never been used a single time on any boss ever

[gaunt kestrel]

65m weapon being 3% worse than 1.2b weapon

Yes never been used a single time on any boss ever!!

Yippee!

[true talon]

?emberlight isbetter than shadow

[gaunt kestrel]

I'm referring to purging staff and dark demonbane

Cause you're talking about dark demonbane

[gentle badge]

what difference does it make, if that's your argument?

[gaunt kestrel]

Hes saying that it's irrelevant, which is not true

That's the entire argument

[true talon]

? im saying dark demonbane should be 4 tick to match the other demonbane weps

[gaunt kestrel]

"it's far too weak being 5t"

Meanwhile it's 3% worse than shadow p3

[ember token]

every weapon should be 4 tick so they all match

[gaunt kestrel]

Only if scy can be 3t

[tacit pendant]

Just dont engage

[gaunt kestrel]

The content is sometimes too good

But ye

[tacit pendant]

Like it being 5t doesnt matter when its hitting 60s

[true talon]

emberlight hits 69 which is higher and its 4 tick

[gaunt kestrel]

He just wants it to hit the same as a 4t weapon so he can get 25% dps for free

[tacit pendant]

I know

[gaunt kestrel]

Without regard that being far away from the boss p3 is easier than meleeing

[true talon]

no?

idc either way

i can melee under 4 min solo

[gaunt kestrel]

But he'll say that mage p3 is harder

Gz almost rec holder!

[tacit pendant]

Just make zcb 2 tick to be inline with blowpipe

[gaunt kestrel]

Good rng hits very powerful

So skillful

[true talon]

yes because its piss easy

[gaunt kestrel]

Good for you

Sorry if clicking in a triangle to dodge fireballs is too hard

[tacit pendant]

Like mage p3 is easier???

I mage solos on my phone its like duke tier

[true talon]

? this has nothing to do with me you are brain damaged

[gaunt kestrel]

[true talon]

im talking why is the demonbane spell 25% worst than the melee and almost worst than the range wep. while having a massive cost.

[gaunt kestrel]

I'm just quoting you brother

[true talon]

being 5 tick dont even make it better, it makes it even or just under

wouldnt even change the meta

because melee is still better

you always want role based mechanics, but why would anyone want to do 25% less dps to fulfil a role in a duo

[sacred oracle]

not sure i'm following

should all items of a certain type be the same attack speed

does dhcb need to be rebalanced to 4t on rapid to match dhl

why is it that this particular class of weapons needs to match

[true talon]

well dhcb has ruby bolts and the other 5 tick dragonbane wep is wand which is dead content

[obsidian venture]

I wouldn't bother tbh

If you scroll above you can also get stage ||4|| reading about what a subpar pvmer thinks speedrunning is

[gaunt kestrel]

I remember when he said speedrunning is no skill and all tedium

Wcyd

[obsidian venture]

Living in a bubble and tryna argue like you know something, when you don't, should be cause to get your chat priveleges removed

[gaunt kestrel]

Honestly chat privileges idc about

[true talon]

your just as stupid as he is basically. saying bubble lmfao

[gaunt kestrel]

It's that these people vote on our polls bro 😭

[gentle badge]

I love how none of you are actually engaging with his arguments lmao

[gaunt kestrel]

Tass getting backup is a wild turn of events

[gentle badge]

facts are facts

[obsidian venture]

idk about the recent one but his above one was explained a few different ways

so it wouldn't be facts, it would be ignorance

[gaunt kestrel]

The fact that a 5t weapon has different dps than a 4t weapon?

[obsidian venture]

You need to use a mirror and reflect

[gaunt kestrel]

Yes that's a fact

Do they need to have the same dps? No they don't

Idk what there is to argue about

[gentle badge]

y'all aren't explaining shit lmao. just "you want free 25% dps, blah blah"" yappin

[true talon]

its because they cant due to the IQ challenge of critically thinking

[gentle badge]

y'all a bunch of yappers

[gaunt kestrel]

Okay please present the argument in your own words

[obsidian venture]

Wasn't even talking about this lmao. Why'd I get looped in

[gentle badge]

engage with his argument

[gaunt kestrel]

I won't address Tass but I'll address you

Present his argument

And we'll chat

[obsidian venture]

Man said y'all and got me involved with some tick diff argument

[gentle badge]

you don't need me to retell someone else's argument, you need to stop yappin and engage with him

[gaunt kestrel]

Okay pce

[hard axle]

I just tuned in and I know Tass is probably wrong

[gaunt kestrel]

All you're doing is yapping about us yapping

[obsidian venture]

Engaging with someone low iq is not helpful

[gaunt kestrel]

You're no diff

😭

[gentle badge]

really insightful take here

[obsidian venture]

And you're yapping just as hard

So what's the point

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-cat-gif-10509136336940662808

[obsidian venture]

What even is the argument lmao now you got my attention

[gaunt kestrel]

[tacit pendant]

I think that the easier to use mage weapon that is 5% weaker than shadow should be given a 25% dps increase 🙂

[obsidian venture]

Ok so

[tacit pendant]

Lmao

[obsidian venture]

If purging worked as 4t it'd be meta

Is that what he wants?

[true talon]

Thats not even what i was saying, you are dumb lol.

[gaunt kestrel]

Going from 5t to 4t is a 25% increase wws

The confidence LOL

[true talon]

Rule the shadow arugment out, because its clear mega rares are not whats used at this boss (only reason you shadow contracts, is because youd be dead otherwise trying to melee)

[tacit pendant]

Lmfao try mathing holy fuck

[obsidian venture]

Yeah 1t difference is 25%

[gaunt kestrel]

No fucking way LMAO

[obsidian venture]

Idk how you're tryna argue that

[gaunt kestrel]

[tacit pendant]

You shadow during mage camp? Thats meta mage camp, rule out shadow my ass

[obsidian venture]

so purging being 3% worse or so as a 5t, if it went to 4t would be meta

[true talon]

The arguement was that emberlight is 25% dps better than purging casting demonbane. and that demonbane should be 4 tick to match scorching and emberlight.
Not only does making it 4 tick do literally nothing to change the meta, but it boosts it to a more competetive lvl with melee. and melee is free dark demonbane is almost 1k per cast.

The only reason its 5 tick is not for balancing reasons, its 5 tick because mage casting historically has been 5 tick. and demonbane has seen 0 use cases before yama. outside of 1 CA at kril.

[tacit pendant]

Mage is 22% not counting 4t during enrage, weve gone over this. Its getting a buff this summer. Its easier than melee

Goodnight

[true talon]

I ran the numbers on several scenario's, if you can come to me with different numbers then go ahead.

also emberlight is 3 tick during enrage, why are you so dumb?

trying to nitpick a mechanic to suite your arugment lol

https://youtu.be/jG05xEhsnkY

[tacit pendant]

3t emberlight is significantly harder than mage camp. Do that

[true talon]

3 tick emberlight is as braindead as solo olm

[obsidian venture]

No shot

[gaunt kestrel]

[slender vapor]

👀

[indigo tinsel]

???

[true talon]

?? how is having something auto skip over waves and clicking between 3 tiles difficult for dps that is basically 20%+ better?

[ashen perch]

[gaunt kestrel]

oh no clicking 2 tiles is harder!

[true talon]

Also this is not about enrage? this is about the fight in general. p1/p2 your doing 25% less dps.

[tacit pendant]

During the rest of the fight melee has to drag and flick prayers (admittedly still easy)

[true talon]

Also this is an argument for sake of dps/balance not which one is easier

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-cat-gif-10509136336940662808

[obsidian venture]

His mage def is buffed p3

Like what are you trying to argue

[hard axle]

Jagex didn’t want mage to be outright BIS. They wanted it to be viable, but the design is clear of their intention

[tacit pendant]

Purging staff would out dps shadow at zulrah as 4t

Like no we should not make purging staff a 60 mil harm staff

[hard axle]

I’m going to be honest, mage is even more braindead

[true talon]

goood thing demonbane can only be used on demons

[hard axle]

That’s why mage campers ARE a meme

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-cat-gif-10509136336940662808

[gaunt kestrel]

not as braindead as 3t ember unfortunately

wcyd

[tacit pendant]

purging staff can autocast standard spellbook

jfc

[hard axle]

3t emberlight is fucking rough

[gaunt kestrel]

(i am quoting our beloved here)

[hard axle]

I know I know

[obsidian venture]

less than .05% are even doing 3t lmao

Maybe more now

[hard axle]

I feel like he doesn’t actually know what 3t is versus donofly

[obsidian venture]

He doesn't

[hard axle]

Because donofly is what he’s probably thinking

[obsidian venture]

But if you don't know what you're talking about, respectfully, take your hands off the keyboard

[gaunt kestrel]

yea wcyd

[hard axle]

Even donofly is more advanced than mage camping

https://tenor.com/view/котик-майнкрафт-лава-minecraft-cat-lava-cat-gif-12019653300971405837

Especially if you know how to time first hit

@tacit pendant

I see you typing

[true talon]

its not an argument about whats easier its about dps balance between styles

[obsidian venture]

The dps is balanced lmao wws

[gaunt kestrel]

if mage was equivalent to melee with a fraction of the effort everyone would mage

[obsidian venture]

I need a head banging against a wall emote

[tacit pendant]

lolol i was, i gave up

[true talon]

25% gap is balanced sure

[tacit pendant]

22% with a buff on the way*

[chrome lantern]

Yes, meaning the harder method is rewarding, crazy

[obsidian venture]

HELLO

[chrome lantern]

If it were like 5% then it wouldn't be nearly as rewarding or meaningful

[gaunt kestrel]

22% with a buff on the way* not counting getting 4t shadow* vs 4t emberlight*

[hard axle]

And I don’t think he realizes that if you fuck up a single time, you spawn a jellyfish that you need to kill

[tacit pendant]

25% for more effort is balanced also, considering you also bank a lot less in mage camp, kph is likely 20-15% better mage camp

[hard axle]

So yes, high risk high reward

[chrome lantern]

I need to level rq

[viscid cipher]

Harm staff need buff to be honest. Pretty useless unless you aim for elemental weakness

[gaunt kestrel]

and if you're not counting in your head you're basically just out of cycle

[chrome lantern]

I hate when people call the flares jellies

[odd basalt]

what's the update coming out Thursday?

[obsidian venture]

Not realizing Jagex did this on purpose so folks don't mage camp

[hard axle]

[tacit pendant]

summer sweep up is adding a lot of elemental weakness

[chrome lantern]

Almost as much as I hate calling nylos crabs

[vestal ruin]

[obsidian venture]

you shall see tmrw

[tacit pendant]

high key invest in harm

[obsidian venture]

PLEASE

[odd basalt]

i suppose so x)

[hard axle]

It’s getting it

[vivid ruin]

I agree. I dont get it lol

[obsidian venture]

2 things of note is prob increasing the cap on contracts and prob adjustment to contracts

[tacit pendant]

harm staff will be the elemental weaknes sra tier weapon this summer callin it now

[viscid cipher]

Did they even talk about monster drop table?

[chrome lantern]

I contend that buffing harm first requires making it have a reasonable drop rate since all of elemental magic is balanced on it

[meager flame]

idk whats holding them back like

[chrome lantern]

Even 3x more common harm orb is still very rare

[tacit pendant]

they havent since saying its getting looked at intially

[vestal ruin]

what is it now 1/1600?

[meager flame]

the boss fight could be improved the drop rates could be improved the items could be improved

its not like the boss sucks

[hard axle]

I don’t think it’s required tbh

[true talon]

People dont melee because its more rewarding, they melee because its 25% better and doesnt cost 1k gp per cast.

[meager flame]

its just everything attached to the boss sucks

[hard axle]

It’s not holding back shit

[odd basalt]

aw, was hoping for sailing since i am seeing stuff on that

[meager flame]

idk why they wouldn't just fix it so its a reasonable part of the game

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

[obsidian venture]

they released a blog today

Would read that

[gaunt kestrel]

so people melee because its more rewarding

[tacit pendant]

i could see phosanis loot reworked esp if they are making elemental stuff more meta defining

[odd basalt]

just did c:

[obsidian venture]

so expect 2 more over the months

[hard axle]

If you want to make harm better than shadow in 3-4 places, it’ll mean non-harm will still rival shadow or be slightly below

[obsidian venture]

maybe more for rewards

[chrome lantern]

I know this is ironman bias but it's over 200 hours to get a harm

And it's relatively low value because it's useless, if it had use then it would be worth more

[vestal ruin]

I just started pnm grind on my iron, its not the most fun place to think of going dry for something

[tacit pendant]

harm actually does rival or beat shadow at 3-4 places

[gaunt kestrel]

nah the pnm/nm table is definitely overtuned

[chrome lantern]

What do you mean when you say overtuned

[rain fulcrum]

200 hours to get harm becomes reasonable if harm becomes good

[hard axle]

Oh dude, the drop rates still need to be buffed

[gaunt kestrel]

iirc the only places are zulrah + pnm pillar

[meager flame]

i mean it kind of is required if they want to design a good game to enjoy

[chrome lantern]

Oh ok thanks :)

[gaunt kestrel]

like the rates are unreasonable

[hard axle]

I’m not talking about drop rates

[tacit pendant]

its competetive at kree i think, i could be wrong

[vestal ruin]

1/113~ for a drop from pnm? ish~

[meager flame]

like it would be weird if the boss was good and the loot was good but then they were like

surprise the drop rates are trash

[vestal ruin]

6~ kills an hour makes it rough....

[meager flame]

lmao