game-update

[minor whale]

2am hotfix

[winter hearth]

fixed

[minor whale]

Made it possible

[austere mulch]

Oh nice

[analog crow]

Big boss fix

[minor whale]

It was coded as a duo fight

[winter hearth]

gn gang, shoutout Widega for the 5/5 and graduating today, beast

[minor whale]

Remains to be seen if that means it was duoable or just had hp of a duo

[austere mulch]

Goblin and team pulling night shift mvps

[minor whale]

Gn Goblin

[austere mulch]

Gn king

[analog crow]

Gn goblin

[wet smelt]

How many bonus runes do you get from the scar essence? Wouldn’t that help with the iron Arther runes?

[sacred oracle]

imagine if you could have duo'd it the whole time but no one tried it

[true talon]

Can you also raise that aether runes done with scar ess is extremely expensive.
You have to use souls and scar ess that creates souls. meaning each aether rune is 800 raw gp + a cosmic + the catalyst per.

[chrome lantern]

PSA: We've deployed a hotfix to the Contract of Divine Severance. The Contract was acting as a duo encounter, **meaning players could bring a friend **and that voidflares had twice as much HP as intended. This should be resolved, we apologise again for the inconvenience.
@minor whale

[ember token]

1 aether catalyst is always consumed for each aether rune catalysts, even for bonus runes crafted

[true talon]

None it gives you 60 runes per 60 catalyst. also doesnt work with the outfit. its 1-1 exchange and it takes the most expensive scar ess

[chrome lantern]

Someone shouted out his world at the crafting guild so I hopped over

[true talon]

You have to use a scar ess + catalyst + soul to make them an they are 1-1

[chrome lantern]

If you wanna maximize the outfit then craft em without catalyst

[narrow folio]

The aether runes decision was certainly a choice

[true talon]

Outfit dont make extra

[chrome lantern]

It explicitly said it did didn't it?

[true talon]

it doesnt

[chrome lantern]

Or does it just use catalyst faster

[true talon]

catalyst allows you to make like 60x60 a trip

instead of making them 60x1

but the outfit dont work

[chrome lantern]

In a similar vein, some clarity around Aether Catalysts! Aether catalysts do work with Runecraft boosters and Extracts from the Scar Essence mine, but they are always consumed at a rate of one Aether Catalyst used per one Aether rune created. For some of the same reasoning, we wanted to maintain a consistent relationship between the value of Catalysts as a drop and the number of Aether runes entering the game. We're less likely to make adjustments here, since Raiments still increase the rate at which you can get through your Catalysts and still serve as a timesave or GP/hr increase, while Extracts are a huge timesave if you're an Iron looking to make a dent in your stack.

Found that in the Yama release blog yeah

Unfortunate

[true talon]

Making them with scar ess so that it doesnt fucking 10 years to make lol

[chrome lantern]

The original post didn't read that way for sure and I never saw this

Aether Runes can be traded to other players and crafted while playing Guardians of the Rift, and they’ll be crafted in higher quantities if you're wearing the Raiments of the Eye or using Scarred Extracts. They should fit right in like any other combination rune and save you loads of Inventory space when using the Arceuus Spellbook to its fullest extent.
Original post

[true talon]

Yep they walked back on it

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn't call it a walkback more of an omission

[ember token]

they didnt walk back anything

[flat night]

lot of that happening these days

like any other combination rune
That has been walked back; it is not like any other combination rune

[lament peak]

it was an integrity update 🙂

[true talon]

30k aether for oathplate with scar ess an raminent prob made sense as youd need 5k catalyst max.

but now you need 30k catalyst lol

[ember token]

they are absolutely crafted in higher quantities if you use scarred extracts or raiments

[ember token]

They should fit right in like any other combination rune

[true talon]

They are not

[chrome lantern]

They are. Just the catalyst is also used faster

[sacred oracle]

wow somehow it looks even worse on female body

[sacred oracle]

in fairness, i super hate the female body type in this game

the proportions are ugly and insane

[tender harness]

It is comical how cooked yama shit was today

[blazing crane]

they hotfixed

[old tinsel]

White look so bad, fur winter boots

[vocal harness]

you craft them faster, but it still requires one catalyst per rune

you should be able to use ~30% less soul runes though if you use the outfit

[thick beacon]

hm ppl have completed contract yama atm?

[tender harness]

1?

maybe like 2 more? but only aware of 1

[thick beacon]

[tender harness]

two contracts atleast were bugged

divine severance was tuned for duos

[thick beacon]

hope they tracked down the duo ones and revokked them

[ember token]

idk if you could actually duo it

[blazing crane]

2 have atleast

[tender harness]

bruh gnomonkey did atleast 80 bloody blow contracts alone

[slender vapor]

[tender harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1ktvtui/these_yama_contracts_are_nuts/ this isn't bamboozle is it?

[chrome lantern]

The post in game news pretty directly said you could

[wispy current]

Is the oathplate acquisition contract the same as the other acquisition contracts?

[plush gull]

lol 30k aether runes for the recolour and its ugly. same issue as torva. who would pay 18m to make armour uglier??

only alchs for 5.7k 😭

[fossil epoch]

Armor looks Waaaaay better in white than in this dim red IMO

[plush gull]

mains with quiver now finally have a way to rock hcim armour and ava's assemlber 😂

wtf are those shoulders tho 😭

[wispy current]

https://x.com/flomple/status/1924888816596267444?s=46&t=0raFwEMEvYeHrYkMUtUaAg

Flomple (@flomple)

Yeah

X · May 20, 2025, 6:03 PM

They should make this the base oathplate

[hasty shard]

spills cup

[compact flicker]

I like the idea that it isn't as bulky as torva, but that's a tad too slim

But I own neither so meh

[wispy current]

The thicker legs balance out the rest of the set imo i think it looks good. Only thing im not crazy about is the dull red

[slender vapor]

Yeah it looks like discount dragon

I like the armor itself

[winged mantle]

Looks like fancy castle wars armour

[meager flame]

im pretty sure they just wanted to do an elite knight set from dark souls

but they struggle with doing layers or something

thats why the chest part of oathplate kind of doesn't look like its actually armor idk how to describe it

it comes off as soft somehow

[hasty shard]

its meant to be a tabard

but imo it doesnt work too well

[meager flame]

ya if you look at the elite knight set from dark souls

it actually has the same belt too

[hasty shard]

as most metal armour in the game is just flat shaded anyways

[meager flame]

and the mismatched shoulders

probably not supposed to be a copy but like

theres a lot of similar stuff going on

[hasty shard]

better comparison image

[meager flame]

the part where they kinda went wrong with the tabard/cloth layered thing

is honestly color scheme and the transition around the belt from the legs to the chest

they could've made it a lot more obvious

[hasty shard]

yeah

at the same time it'd just also look bad with a contrast imo

it works on something simpler like the varla knights id say

[meager flame]

yeah you can immediately tell what thats supposed to be

it looks horrible but like

lol

you can tell

[hasty shard]

[meager flame]

also those guys are very dark souls too

[hasty shard]

i cant possibly fathom why the sun knights are dark soul inspired

not at all

[meager flame]

ya i mean its not even really inspired thats just everyone's favorite ds1 npc

lmao

im cool with it though if they want to keep referencing those games

i love pretty much everything about them

[hasty shard]

i feel like they don't work to runescape's strength enough at times

[meager flame]

although tbh

for a demon boss

probably would've used these guys for reference if i was trying to use that game

its also helpful that its all metal and just like

[hasty shard]

u can tell yama's based off the old demon model

[meager flame]

less complicated in some ways

[hasty shard]

i like his small form better than the large one, though

[reef shale]

So after 24 hours of trying my heart out I can 100% confirm the contracts are absolute dogsh*t worst thing Jagex has created since the invocation system

[cloud iron]

Really wish we would have gotten these gold/blue player made variants. they look so much better. notice the shins aren't bulky af either. Oathplate needs a redesign

[chrome nova]

Please for the love of god don't make this shit a combat achievement

Also, Jagex really said "fuck irons in particular" with both the contract system and oathplate costing 10k aether runes per

And also "fuck anyone who isn't HLC with a 10bil bank" by having 80% of the contracts not work with the weapons that are supposed to be bis here 💀

[nocturne solstice]

Why does it fuck with irons when the contracts are so plentiful? You can get them from regular demons too at the chasm and their drop rate has been buffed twice now? Definitely get you with the Aether part though

[vivid ruin]

I feel like its in a sense to funnel the removal of a lot of runes from main. That being said, id argue oath is still easier to get than torva

[nocturne solstice]

Id say it's a lot less time required than getting torva

difficulty wise I'd agree

I also expected the contracts to be HLC content anyway so saying the contracts "fuck anyone who isn't HLC with 10b bank" is kinda like... duh?

The megarares are like maybe 4b all together? I think I saw gnomemonkey running inq mace too and thats 362m so iunno just odd critiques

[nocturne solstice]

and I get the b2b2b contracts

[wispy current]

Shouldn’t be able to spam flex cosmetic boss fights unless you have a big cash stack

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think a consumable pricetag makes the kit any more difficult to get just artificial gatekeeping people from attempting it.

[wispy current]

Its less of a flex if u can just spam it free of cost

[slender vapor]

The thing is

Once this stuff actually gets optimized, you won't need megas

[vivid ruin]

I do think we need to be able to craft aether runes

[slender vapor]

Gnome struggled as much as he did because he was #4 to get the oathplate cosmetic

It was a challenge he wasn't prepaired for

[vivid ruin]

So are yama contracts challenging? Someone was just bitching about how easy yama was, but i figured contracts werent going to be that easy. I still have 0 yama kc

[slender vapor]

It's like invo 600 yama

The biggest issue is some feel tuned for duo but forced solo

The stat buffs on yama are cracked

And 2 of the contracts were legit impossible and broken

They had to get emergency hotfixed

[vivid ruin]

Dang

[slender vapor]

One contract has 4.5k hp

[vivid ruin]

Wtfff

[slender vapor]

So it's like fighting a roided out yama

With random mechanical changes

So on top of these fights being super toa scaled, they also 1 shot you for a single fuck up

So it's pretty much the most annoying mix of ToA possible in these contracts

[wispy current]

Synq struggled for over 24hrs and he got first blorva

[upbeat moss]

okay yeah that contract has that much hp but youre also hitting 70+ every hit

[tacit pendant]

Add this to toa tbh

[rain fulcrum]

Just let ppl duo them

[tender harness]

Its not even feel they literally are/were divine severance

[thick beacon]

awakend bosses have similar issues (aspects?)

think this is just harder 1ndone content if ur skilled/can do it

synq taking 24hours to be 0/5 while others completed whole thing already kinda showcases diffrence if u just kinda do it

synq gona cop today hopefully hate using his failure as a metric

[neon gate]

10000000 lesser demons

[rare frost]

bro my yama solos are 10mins anyway i dont see the problem with these contracts

[jagged marsh]

It also doesn't help that 2 of them were bugged 😭

[jagged marsh]

This felt like the original intention but they changed it at the last second

[rare frost]

and tbf with toa we proved you cant trust us not to boost

[rain fulcrum]

who tf cares if people are going to boost cosmetics

I hate letting fear of boosting deprive us of team content

And it's not like solo achievement are immune to being boosted

Literally just saw a clanny get 5 inferno gm tasks in one run then immediately do all the jad challenges back-to-back to back

[thick beacon]

i think diffrence though is u have to break the rules of the game to boost a solo

where as boosting team content is pretty tame gray line that isint bannable

[rare frost]

the point is that a lot of high level players are contradictory, they want it to be non boostable, but then boost people. They want it to be hard, but only in a very specific way. They want consistent money, but not to devalue their drops.... I genuinely dont think HLC can agree on liking content since tob, its almost impossible to please them at this point (imo)

[austere mulch]

I mean, general consensus is “hard” being skill involved, much more like awakened Levi, as opposed to just stat boost and 10 minute slog fest like high level toa, is what is wanted

[rare frost]

or CMs

[austere mulch]

I don’t think anyone is really complaining about the mechanics of contracts, more so the just meat sack they become from stat increase

[lament peak]

it's comical at this point

[chrome lantern]

Yum!

[rare frost]

i dunno maybe its me doing content with mid gear but ive never minded long fights

[hard axle]

you know what's wild about boosting concerns? Solo makes it more likely to boost illegally

[hard axle]

do not insult supply drops

supply drops are goated

more bosses need this shit

I'll take 15 swordfish a kill at muspah and be glad

[thick beacon]

idk id be scared to boost solo. ud prob have to find some sketchy ppl and trust them idk how it works

but whole process seems way more wierd

[rare frost]

persistence is as much a skill test as prayer flicking, movement etc...

[thick beacon]

levi was like 5mins of pre enrage slog then 10seconds of enrage felt they are similar enough in that regard

[rare frost]

and cms exist. Like how people can hate toa for not changing mechanics enough and defend that is insane

[thick beacon]

whsiperer had its issues to duke as well imo vard was like the exception rather then rule

[hard axle]

CMs had a tangible benefit even on release

static raid layout, which they transfered to normal mode because people wanted consistency

gauranteed overload at the start

gauranteed overload at olm

etc.

[chrome lantern]

I feel like people don’t criticize CMs because you don’t “have” to do them and very few people do. ToA in particular has an insanely high benefit to doing higher raid levels but they just become a mega slog

[hard axle]

iirc, CM literally took input from HLC players to design the static layout

[rare frost]

but you dont though

[hard axle]

And most importantly, they literally changed it after player feedback

toa has been out what, 3 years?

[rare frost]

you never have to do a toa above 350 if you dont want to, and people farming 500s ruined the purples for everyone else

[hard axle]

monkey room was the biggest change

[obsidian venture]

You say this but it's actually easier for this to be done according to sources

[chrome lantern]

As someone that can consistently do 500s, I would never run a 350 with the disparity in purple rate. It’s that simple.

I would be wasting my time

And guess what, I’m still dry on my Masori chaps

Can’t imagine if I had no chaps and had done twice as many raids

[thick beacon]

either way its against rules risk ban

[rare frost]

sure but you arent forced to, you choose to. Its the same as wildy mentality

[chrome lantern]

I would argue that designing a raid where it's twice as efficient to do significantly less enjoyable content is not good design

[ember token]

yeah cmon guys you're not FORCED to do it! it's just significantly worse if you don't do it

[rare frost]

i agree, but that isnt what people complain about, they complain about it "not changing enough" when the raid is completely different from 150-400

[kind surge]

you're not forced to do cg if you can just farm 2k normal gauntlets

5k even

[hard axle]

After they did the invocation rebalance, they really should've moved normal and expert mode up 100 raid levels.

[rare frost]

we both know toa scaling isnt like that come on

[hard axle]

I'd argue 200-345 would be normal mode

and 350+ would be expert

[rare frost]

350 is the sweet spot

[hard axle]

since there's a steep drop rate jump from 295->300

due to the shift in expert mode

[thick beacon]

wish they gatekept uniques in expert mode

[hard axle]

and by making 350 the new threshold

it would've been better

[hard axle]

yep, we coped about this hard

but they said no

[chrome lantern]

It literally is

[rare frost]

um what, no thats stupid

[obsidian venture]

This isn't a player issue. It's a droprate issue

[thick beacon]

they legit were allowing ppl to get shadows from entrymode idk

[obsidian venture]

Saying that you blame folks who want to send higher invos is bizarre

[thick beacon]

still allow*

[obsidian venture]

Purples should have been locked to tiers

Or lower chance

[rare frost]

umm they are

[obsidian venture]

They aren't

[hard axle]

I said this on toa release, but making things too accessibility is how u kick over the tower of cards

that is osrs

[obsidian venture]

You can still pull any purple in a 0 invo raid, very low chance ofc

It's not locked

[hard axle]

the game was built on grinds being brindy for the first 17 or so years

(including rs2)

[rare frost]

its such a low chance its not worth considering

[hard axle]

ah, so you do understand worth

[obsidian venture]

But it counters your point that it's "locked"

[true talon]

To be fair this is a extremely rare occruance. I doubt entry moser has put more than 5 shadows in the game

[rare frost]

you then said "lower chance"

[thick beacon]

im glad they tried this at colo atleast but colo uniques were

[obsidian venture]

yeah lower chance doesn't mean locked

as it showed on the board

[rain fulcrum]

Rune crafting being slow as shit is fine but more than 10 hrs to get a unique? nope!

[hard axle]

dude

colo

dont get me started on colo

colo would've been the best place to put melee armor

[sacred oracle]

i'm still confused by who ralos is even for

[hard axle]

instead they fucking always pussy out when it comes to giving high level content exclusive rewards

[rain fulcrum]

It's for tobbers

[rare frost]

as long as it wasnt only on wave 12, i agree

[hard axle]

maiden and olm

[thick beacon]

imo even if they make rates low like toa had more completions then tob in its first month

[obsidian venture]

Folks even complained that rates were too common and Jagex said, "it's too late to change" and now regret it

[hard axle]

it is fucking game changing at maiden

[thick beacon]

if u have that many ppl rolling the dice it doesint matter what rates are imo

[hard axle]

but that's it

[rare frost]

i mean tob has massive problems but that has little to do with the raid itself

[rain fulcrum]

It's weird that harder content ends up with worse rewards

[obsidian venture]

Such as?

[rare frost]

gatekeeping

[rain fulcrum]

Tob has massive problems? Incoming reddit takes

[obsidian venture]

That's not an issue

that's insanely cope lmao

[rare frost]

its not even that hard to get normal mode kc

[obsidian venture]

You're probably gatekeeping yourself

[true talon]

That’s more of a tob is a shithole issue. If tob was soloable there would be a drastically more completions. Tob is also ignorable in a gear progression path, you can go for avernic and then leave

[rare frost]

but finding learners is really hard

[hard axle]

matt, what role do u do at tob

[obsidian venture]

and or not spending a few minutes to find a mentor or server

[hard axle]

i have to ask this each time to know how to respond

[rare frost]

ive done mdps and rdps, i have 20kc fwiw

[obsidian venture]

Which there's plenty of

[hard axle]

god

do melee freeze or a freeze a role

I gaurantee you that you will never have problems doing a team if you are a competent freezer

[rare frost]

sure maiden is harder but like, thats one room

[hard axle]

the two roles you listed

are fking leech roles as a learner and are the most common roles

[obsidian venture]

Ok so self-imposed gatekeeping gz

[hard axle]

u need to do a freeze role

if you want to proceed

[obsidian venture]

You don't need to freeze

[rare frost]

no ive asked to learn nfrz but clan wants me to do more kc first lol

[obsidian venture]

But it's not hard to find a team of learners or a mentor

[hard axle]

make ur own team then and put yourself as freeze role

I'm not kidding

[obsidian venture]

Yeah legit

[rain fulcrum]

Ur clan is gatekeeping u then not the raid. They dumb for that

[hard axle]

trusting anyone else to freeze is ass

mdps/rdps is too common at the learner level because you do nothing gamechanging

[obsidian venture]

The raid doesn't gatekeep anyone especially when gear reqs are the easiest to obtain

[sacred oracle]

what is rdps

[rain fulcrum]

Ranger

[obsidian venture]

range dps

[rare frost]

sure cuz mass worlds take people with 20kc....

[thick beacon]

theres many factors but tob at a baseline was just way harder

[rare frost]

oh wait

[hard axle]

you can start the parties

[obsidian venture]

Mass worlds take anyone in similar kcs

[rain fulcrum]

Why r u doing 416

[thick beacon]

very few ppl could clear to even roll the chance on uniques

it prob was really cool to see the early days of tob

[obsidian venture]

Host a party and accept

[hard axle]

**every mmo has this idiotic problem where people refuse to start parties themselves **

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[hard axle]

it pisses me off

[obsidian venture]

Legit being lazy

[hard axle]

this is the 3rd or 4th mmo I've played with this nonsense

[obsidian venture]

Even jmods in this very chat said that it's a player induced problem

[wispy current]

didnt tob take like a week to get first kc. wish i was there

[hard axle]

lf+7 tank, healer

[obsidian venture]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-congratulations-you-played-your-self-gif-10536951

[true talon]

Tob difficulty comes from
Your team
And nothing else

[hard axle]

i want to see u melee freeze and solo hmt verzik from 90%

I'm not kidding

[obsidian venture]

Baseline is fine but finding a team is easy

[hard axle]

stream now

[obsidian venture]

I wanted to learn tob, so I hosted my own party and sent

Died a bunch but it was fun

[true talon]

Why would I do that. Sounds dumb

[hard axle]

just shows ur yapping per usual

[obsidian venture]

That was our exp in wdr

most I've soloed was 90% + heal

in a hmt

[true talon]

I don’t need to be a master tobber, I have scythe and sang my last items are just I and rapier lol.

[hard axle]

there's solutions to most problems and people just don't want to do it

[obsidian venture]

So it's not a content problem

[hard axle]

so u never got to a point where you actually were a human tobber

[obsidian venture]

Players gatekeep themselves more than they think

and play the blame game

[hard axle]

this is how i learned tob btw

[true talon]

Nope I did 500 tob and still range xarpus

[hard axle]

got someone to coach me for a few kc

[hard axle]

when did u get scythe

near 500 kc?

[rare frost]

sure but that doesnt mean there isnt an issue with getting teams and learners, its clearly harder to find teams than cox or toa

[obsidian venture]

I literally just kept dying with learners

[true talon]

380 something

[obsidian venture]

It isn't

find a diff clan

or a server

[hard axle]

you deserve the death sentence in-game

[obsidian venture]

or talk with folks at the bank

[hard axle]

-500k

[obsidian venture]

same as any other raid

Yeah if you're tryna join a dude in max sending with friends, they might be full or not interested sure

[hard axle]

I legitimately met most raids folks by being immature

[rain fulcrum]

It's easier to find tob teams than cox or toa

[wispy current]

send lfr in wdr and add ppl who are decent

[obsidian venture]

^

[rain fulcrum]

Because the raid can't be solod

Easily

[hard axle]

i still make friends by being immature

[rain fulcrum]

Nothing kills group content more than the solo option...

When will jagex learn lmao

[rare frost]

i agree solo toa shouldnt be a thing, its not even that fun

[hard axle]

toa is just bad design :/

it's difficulty isn't from mechanics

it's literally from numbers going up

[rare frost]

but mechanically its the most fun by far

[obsidian venture]

To each their own

[hard axle]

until you do advanced cm/tob tactics

cm is procedural fun

tob is mechanical fun

imo

watching shit die so fast is awesome

[rare frost]

icl i hate cox, apart from olm is a snooze fest with the occasional brew sip

[hard axle]

getting to cm olm by 13-14 minutes

[hard axle]

u know to click brew on overload timer yes?

every 15s

[rare frost]

yeah

[hard axle]

good good

but yes, please look into melee freeze (north)

[rare frost]

or when im dying lol

[hard axle]

its literally just chill as fuck

once u get the first crab frozen

if 1-2 crabs leak, who the fk cares

[rare frost]

im just saying theres a reason less people do tob, and some of it is people making it out to be this crazy hard content which it just isnt (hmt is damn)

[hard axle]

i lowkey think solo cox is harder than team tobs

[rare frost]

avernic should be as cheap as dex/arcane but it clearly isnt

[rain fulcrum]

Tob isn't really that hard

[hard axle]

strictly from a clear perspective

if everything goes right

yes, tob is chill

[rare frost]

verzik chip is stupid though and probably leads to some of the toxicity, the p2 red crabs are bad design imo

[rain fulcrum]

What

Just brew

[rare frost]

it can end up being a massive dps check if someone dies which i think ends up being unhealthy

in a way that olm and wardens arent

[rain fulcrum]

It's not a DPS check

Also olm has more chip

[wispy current]

Isnt warden p3 kinda a dps check

[rare frost]

if you can last row and prayer flick no?

[rain fulcrum]

If you have 20 KC you probably bring 8 brews to verzik anyway

[rare frost]

more like 6 but yeah, i bring combo eats

[wispy current]

I mean that’s more of a dos check than reds

[rain fulcrum]

Right so you have an entire 4 extra brewd

[wispy current]

Get ur crabs to 10% thatd all there iz to it

[rain fulcrum]

DPS check from chip is certainly a nonissue

You have to make mistakes to run out of that much food

[rare frost]

tbf i also dont have bloodfury scythe

which is a difference

[rain fulcrum]

Like if some of that chip is actually melees

Most ppl aren't bringing bf

To scales above duo

[wispy current]

Giga chads bring like 1 brew into verz right

[rain fulcrum]

What the chip does is punish you for not clicking the boss

Legit so many ppl just run around the room p3 like a headless chicken

[rare frost]

i also dislike the chest supply points being death based, its just unneccessary to punish that

[hard axle]

verzik is probably the most fair example of chip damage

[rain fulcrum]

So deaths should just not be punished?

[hard axle]

because you can complete the whole raid with 2 brews AND face tank p1

[rare frost]

they already are in raid points at the end

[rain fulcrum]

Barely

[rare frost]

another issue, to easy to skate by and get purples

[rain fulcrum]

I like the fact that you get punished for being an ape in the first four rooms by not getting food for verzik

[rare frost]

i like tob, but i just think it isnt this ultra perfect raid some people say it is

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah but a lot of your criticisms r the best parts of the raid

[hard axle]

Reddit hates nylos but it’s so optimized at the high end

[rain fulcrum]

Verzik p3 is one of the best chip damage balance in the game

It's not enough to feel miserable but enough to put pressure on you to hit the boss

Compare to baba

[hard axle]

yeah, so you can’t infinitely stay either

[rare frost]

i prefer random spawns for being adaptive, its why i low key enjoy monkey room more

[hard axle]

Gulag

To the gulag

[rain fulcrum]

I think u should give efficient nyloe a chance before saying that

Btw it's not entirely predetermined

Because you can get unlucky in hits

[hard axle]

splits are still random yes

[rain fulcrum]

And splits yeah

[rare frost]

to be fair on melee id need a scythe for that, i could range with chins though

[hard axle]

Nope

Don’t need scythe

[rain fulcrum]

The fur suit is fine for melee

[hard axle]

Dual marachas!

[rare frost]

no for the dual hits

right?

[hard axle]

Eh, can chalky

[rain fulcrum]

[hard axle]

chally spec*

[rare frost]

i use sulphur blades cuz i spent my lms points on cosmetics and not a swift blade

[hard axle]

Still good

[rain fulcrum]

That's fine

Bringing full blood Moon would be ideal

Not swift

[rare frost]

surely id save spec for claws on boss, especially on lunars

[hard axle]

It’s early enough in the waves

U regen

You also claw spec early melee big on east

technically

[wispy current]

wait u can chally spec to hit two melees?

[rare frost]

btf i sold claws to buy purging for yama

so no claw specs for a while sadge

[hard axle]

Yes

Really old tech

[wispy current]

wtf never knew that

[hard axle]

But he has whip/4t

That’s why

[rare frost]

nally + sulphurs actually, gosh

[hard axle]

Disgusting

[rare frost]

hey at least i dont use void anymore

on mdps

[wispy current]

20 kc masori user

[rare frost]

i dont have masori, i still void range

[wispy current]

how many brews do u bring in btw

[rare frost]

5 brews 5 restores and a couple angler, normally more than i need

[wispy current]

theres a ton of stuff u should bring before melee gear then

need all spec weapons guthix rest p neck etc

[austere mulch]

Yeah that’s true, but 5 vs 8-10 minutes of slog is really unfun

[rare frost]

before yama i brought sulphur blades, hammer, defender, bgs, claws, chally, atlatl

etc..

[austere mulch]

Boosting stats is the easiest way to make things “harder” because endurance tests still add difficulty

Just not in the most engaging way unfort

[rare frost]

i think people are overblowing the contract situation tbf

and no adding a tornado is not the solution

can we please stop doing that lol

[rain fulcrum]

Tornados r pretty cool

[rare frost]

if there was a tornado invo at toa sani would be complaining its just toa invos

[rain fulcrum]

Better mechanic than they came up with for Yama contracts

[rare frost]

they are cool but between levi, verzik, hunllef i think weve done enough nados

hunllef , wardens, and kephri gotta be my 3 favourite bosses in terms of gameplay

[wispy current]

there arent enough timing mechanics in the game i feel like. like 1t tanking p3 verzik feels so nice with other mechanics

[rain fulcrum]

I feel like a tornado could work p well in Yama p3 tho

[rare frost]

im more of a movement guy

not a massive fan of stuff like levi thats mostly just flicking

gonna hate inferno

[rain fulcrum]

Tornado is movement...

[rare frost]

p3 yama really needs to not be dependent on instance host, that is just weird

no i was responding to tuan about timing

[jagged marsh]

if a hotfix for a boss gets deployed and you're in the middle of the fight, do you just have to leave and re-enter the boss room to fix it

[rare frost]

and step under tanking etcc....

[rain fulcrum]

Step under tanking is movement

[rare frost]

yeah but it feels way different to something like sote maze or cg

and yes i have tanked verzik successfully

[wispy current]

yk what feels so gangster

1t tanking p3 and getting crabs aggroed on you

[rare frost]

1 tick warden skulls on insanity, yeah feels great

[wispy current]

popping the crabs and not losing ticks. that's gangster shit

[rain fulcrum]

It's more the intersection with crabs that makes it interesting

[wispy current]

i havent done skull skipping or insanity yet

[rare frost]

insanity feels really good to do tbh

the rhythm is goated

gosh i wish they patched out baba red x and redid his damage scaling though

i will admit that room sucks

[wispy current]

cg, verzik, and vard are my top 3

[rare frost]

vard is sick

[rain fulcrum]

So remove the only interestung mechanic in the boss

[rare frost]

no its more fun when you dont red x

and you actually have to communicate between people

[rain fulcrum]

But yeah m not sure why jagex is insisting that baba must hit like a truck

Maybe because baba only hits 1 person

So it barely matters in higher scales

[inland stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001177688809148418/1136065736943616104/Ba-Ba.gif

[jagged marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/w00x-woox-wooxw-gif-22122434

[rare frost]

top 3 bosses: cg, kephri, wardens, top 3 drop tables: zulrah, dt2, yama

imo

[tacit pendant]

Zulrah dropping blowpipe as commonly as it does would never pass today

[rare frost]

and fwiw the only content i truly havent done is like 90+ slayer bosses, phosanis, inferno, colo and hmt

[rain fulcrum]

Yama should be bottom 3 drop table everything too common

[wispy current]

keph and baba are boring

[rare frost]

then where my bloody oathplate drop...im 270kc now including 50+ solos lmao

[tacit pendant]

So alot of the good stuff

[rain fulcrum]

Get gud

[tacit pendant]

Hydra is ass tho not missing much there

[rain fulcrum]

It would

Isn't it like 1/512 for pipe

[rare frost]

i mean people keep complaining about pvp being unfair and then passing pvp weapons so i dont know what to tell you

[small anvil]

pvp oriented updates notoriously fail

[tacit pendant]

Yeah probably would, and actually yeah less rarity and more overfarmed by bots keeping it at 6m

[small anvil]

dunno what you mean by passing pvp weapons

[tacit pendant]

Pvp stuff does not pass unless disguised as royal titans and slayer mobs

[wispy current]

Literally lol

[rare frost]

the last year has seen crazy pvp upgrades in the form of nally, araneas, surge pots etc... and now they all cry when they get pked at calvarion

[wispy current]

Ppl will cry about pvp until it doesnt exist only then will ppl stop crying about pvp

[rare frost]

which is sad because its hella fun and skill expressive

[wispy current]

Like hitting over 100hp has been a thing for a while now

Surge just made it a bit easier

[small anvil]

i mean pvm upgrades having use in pvp

is different from people voting for pvp weapons

[rare frost]

fair enough, reddit just cries a lot i guess

gosh i wish devs didnt just buckle to whoever cries the most each week but it seems thats what they do now

[tacit pendant]

Pvp good whiners are cringe let em embaress themselves, pvp aint going anywhere anytime soon even with this surge bs

[rare frost]

anyone who uses a gmaul will tell you that thing does not hit on someone in barrows+ gear and 99 def

[tacit pendant]

Same with dds yeah

[wispy current]

Unless ur 1 def then it just maxes on u

[rare frost]

yeah but so does literally anything lol

thats the point

pures are cringe

[wispy current]

G maul ruined pure pvp

[tacit pendant]

Turns out defense is v good

[rare frost]

and honestly not that skill expressive when they hit you a 25 25 into a 23 23 dds off prayer and by the time you eat up they are giga ahead

[wispy current]

Pure nh is super fun it just sucks getting giga’d by maul combos

[neon gate]

https://i.imgur.com/fN8LBgz.png

so stupid

[analog crow]

What's stupid?

[plush gull]

contracts

and awakeners orbs

[analog crow]

Don't use them then

ez

[plush gull]

yeah wizzy dont re gm as iron

[tacit pendant]

When will this armor crash, i wanna try it

[obsidian venture]

If you're sending slash based content and you have the gp just buy it

it's generally going to be better than what you have

[tacit pendant]

Ill buy on tuesday after the memorial day tobbers have had their fun

[quiet plank]

what do the stars above greater demons heads mean

[analog crow]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Chasm_of_Fire#Sigils

[quiet plank]

oh ok

imma just melee

[true talon]

I dunno i saw some pretty rough zulrah logs ol

[vocal harness]

theres a suggestion on reddit that correct demon glyph kills should give slayer exp and I honestly agree

thematically its exactly what slayer is about

(killing monsters by targeting weaknesses)

i think it'd be cool to have some non-task methods of slayer exp

[analog crow]

Could have been something for a slayer/dungeoneering minigame

[nocturne solstice]

only if its a miniscule amount like 5xp

Getting rid of that for being political

[lament peak]

Uh ok it's just a meme but whatever

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah well people post memes for a quick laugh and then other people get upset because it makes em think about political tensions then everybody is yelling and mad about a bunch of things

[hasty shard]

they say exactly 5 in the post

kill 3 killion demons for 99 slayer

[nocturne solstice]

Kill 3 killion demons with a constantly rotating kill method for 99 slayer

Finally, slayer can be fun and engaging!

[vocal harness]

i think it could be like 5-30 exp realistically.

[analog crow]

"3 killion" got a good chuckle out of me lol

[true talon]

Hey can the horn break into oathplate shards, this thing is 12m and crashing more. its basically useless.

[nocturne solstice]

Why would it break into oathplate shards? It's clearly made from Soulflame not Oathplate

[tacit wharf]

just for tassili, u now have to charge soulflame with oathplate shards

[rain fulcrum]

aRent you an iron

why tf do u care about the horn price

[hard axle]

you know what else would make it not useless and doesn't pander to one group?

buffing horn

50% spec if you use it alone

100% spec for gauranteed maul seems fair

[meager flame]

i mean they could just let claws work with it

you know one of the only reasons the horn would've ever been used in the first place

[minor whale]

It's juiced for team content and entirely useless for solo players
Since like 95% of content is solo in this game, horn has such limited use

[small anvil]

Imagine accidentally using horn 1 tile away from range for partner

[neon gate]

4871286742798412691426091420891420814209124870102440128914290 lesser demons

[tacit wharf]

then stop killing them

[tender harness]

this has to be trolling right?

meteors literally are re-entry the entire fight

on the horn contract

[nocturne solstice]

Nah thats cheating they have two mouse pointers for double the clicks

[tender harness]

screenshot is from a stream watching the vod

smh

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah that was a joke, in serious though I imagine they just panic used too many glyphs?

Wouldnt know unless I see the vod

[tender harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXCBMHWFbco

thats like the only vod that goes into p3

[nocturne solstice]

ah p3 no glyphs. Their death wasn't void flare related though just panicked and messed up the shadow walls and fireballs. Purging staff spec might be mandatory there though 👀

[tender harness]

its apparently the same fight for all acquisition so thats.

[nocturne solstice]

Seems to be the case except for familiar acqu but that one is a drop chance inc not guaranteed like the rest so fair i guess

[slender vapor]

https://i.imgur.com/NCIeLw3.png

Gnome isn't happy

[tacit wharf]

gnome is never happy

[tender harness]

I mean, contracts are/were an unmitigated shit show

not tested tuning is all over the board

the fact that severance wasnt even completed until they hot fixed it is

[tacit wharf]

hlc - give us something hard
but also
hlc - this is TOO HARD

[tender harness]

what an absolutely response

[lament peak]

if gnome makes a post devs always respond, he gets what he wants so often

[hard axle]

Impossible isn't too hard. That's the dumb thing.

[gentle badge]

Big contract lover, are you?

[hard axle]

I wanted 8 different Yama variants like

Yamn't

Yamisn't.

Not Yama.

[gentle badge]

Why 8 different ya mamas when we could have 8 different bosses?

[hard axle]

if mmos in 2010 could produce 8-10 different bosses situationally

that would be great

[slender vapor]

"We want something hard"

Gives invocation 600 yama instead of something loaded with mechanical difficulty

The toa scaling of yama was actually so boring to watch

It just looked like normal yama but you died in 1 hit

[tacit wharf]

[gentle badge]

I love how they posited so hard that these were NOT awakeners orbs and NOT like invocations

[slender vapor]

And they were the worst mix of both

[tender harness]

releasing something that is so clearly not tested and bugged that was not at all doable until they fixed it. that deserves the criticism
bloody blows is still frankly tuned way too tight the fact you can splash

the complaint wasnt about the difficulty. it was the fact there was zero polish, or actual testing. they just threw it out and said have fun, when it turns out shit wasn't working as intended

[tacit wharf]

yes, games sometimes do that

[tender harness]

and spending 10 minutes on a boss fight just to get to the last phase is like why is that a thing. games have moved on from that

[tacit wharf]

we also basically twisted their arm to get duo contracts in during that week as well, not saying their shouldnt of been some better play testing, but a day 1 fix (few hr fix) isnt uncommon for most games

[tender harness]

it wasnt even a few hours

[slender vapor]

They had to hotfix the contract fight at 2am

[tender harness]

Severance was fixed at like 2AM their time

[slender vapor]

To make it completable

[tender harness]

bloody blows was fixed like 6 hours later? after they basically refused to say anything about it being bugged

it is extremely clear that the original intent was for duos but they had some last minute design changes

that royally fucked them

[slender vapor]

Every fight looked scaled to duo

[lament peak]

you people won't be happy until nox is let go /j

[tender harness]

this wasnt even nox he had nothing to do with it

[slender vapor]

Nox wasn't QA testing it

[tender harness]

and the fact people gave nox shit is a different problem with this community

[slender vapor]

This has nothing to do with nox

No individual jmod deserves shit

But as a group, this release was a dogshit fire

[final frigate]

if anything we need more people like nox

absolutely insane

[slender vapor]

The issue is, nox seems like the only QA tester

[hard axle]

I sometimes agree with what you say, but this isn't it.

The underlying flaws that were mentioned well in advance when people complained about Contracts being similar to Orbs.

[final frigate]

they could even just have someone turn on invincibility and qa contracts that way

and would've caught a lot of the issues

[tender harness]

you have acquisition contracts that have tuning all over the place *horn and oathplate *
sigil contracts just being a disaster
being told to fuck off about contracts and farm demons instead for contracts
the buy limit of 5 contracts like why

[slender vapor]

The way they were scaled and tuned for 'difficulty' was also weird

No one enjoyed those contracts

It wasn't like vard or levi awakening fight

It was just like, yama became a stat stick that 1 shot you

[tender harness]

4.1k HP on a solo contract btw

[final frigate]

contract drops won't be like woke orbs and the fight won't be like invocations

[slender vapor]

Contracts are indeed like woke orbs, and the fight was 100% scaled like toa invocations

[hard axle]

That said, I heavily dislike that gnomemonkey is occasionally the face of the HLC when it seems like he doesn't read over the script/text before posting the least professional and most volatile version of it

This was the case for Awakened Levi as well.

[hard axle]

I firmly believe that DT2 Awakeneds were superior to this because they still were still designed to actually be reasonably soloable and without bugs.

[hard axle]

The jellyfish hp makes it look like they started out for duo and then forgot about it

after shifting to solo

[tacit wharf]

feels like that one was just, someone changed the wrong contract and then forgot to fix it

[tender harness]

felt bad watching synq. like dude who was first to blorva was struggling so hard

like 20 hours on one contract

or something

[tacit wharf]

felt nice to see them struggle like the rest of us mortals

[final frigate]

fun fact if you get bad rng on nw pillar you simply die with nothing you can do about it

ty gnomonkey

[tender harness]

medic being a contract

even if you survived that 1 shot. yama just has medic thats so

[hard axle]

Part of me wished they took it under advisement and just delayed it for 2 more weeks

[tender harness]

watch them delay delve now instead

[hard axle]

delay, delay, delay

[white narwhal]

Can anyone sum up the pros cons of the update tldr type

[tender harness]

not good

but why is the judge when hes on speed sounds like hes ACB specing

[tacit wharf]

some like it
some hate it
jagex fumbled some bug testing

[slender vapor]

They also straight lied about contracts not being woke orbs

They were worse in just about every way

[obsidian ember]

@winged ledge thanks so much for creating blorva grind 2.0. You know paying 900k to attempt a very difficult boss and then dying and having to pay another 500k to reclaim my shit is super awesome. I’m glad that I get to do that WHOLE SHIT GRIND a second time but this time it’s 5 bosses instead of 4. AND the “orbs” are more than twice as expensive.

[sacred oracle]

this is useful feedback that i am sure the jmods will read with interest

[obsidian ember]

Well the entire HLC is all screaming the same thing so… they probably won’t care.

[tacit wharf]

best i can do is remove death piles and make it so u lose any item u dont pick up in 2mins, have a nice day

plz die more carefully next time

[obsidian ember]

That’s usually what happens. They release some HLC content and then do a few tweaks a couple weeks later and then never think about it again.

[slender vapor]

Year 3 of jagex promising to go back and fix/add new toa invocations

"We will monitor the price of fang accordingly"

[obsidian ember]

It’s actually infuriating to think about. Everyone said the orb system was complete shit and they release ANOTHER system where we have to pay actual GP to make an attempts at killing it. Or for Ironman, y’all gotta sit there and grind thousands of kc for orbs.

Like why… so disappointed.

[red scroll]

anyone here done a shard acquisition contract yet

[obsidian venture]

It's literally the stuff folks said that they didn't want lmao in another prestigious encounter. It's fine for something to be difficult

[tender harness]

Kephri medic but it kills you and tick perfect prayers also ironically being like the easier contract to do

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it's literally medic, keep back, awakened whisp encounter, hp + def scaled

I don't know anyone in endgame that seriously enjoys these type of encounters. It's also fine to see folks struggle on release, which is the beauty of content like that

But confusing struggle due to poor design and untested content over genuinely good mechanics is where you lost me

They literally created awakened vard 😭 simple yet the best one

[tender harness]

long ass fights

just arent fun either 10 - 15 minutes of mind numbing before challenge

[obsidian venture]

Yeah you kinda have to be a muppet to see that as anything but unfun

Even with fight caves/ inferno you're able to log out 😭

[tender harness]

paying GP to QA test

[obsidian venture]

I also dislike most of gnomes takes and advice

But yet I can understand at least his point this time

Because it was just that bad lmao

[tender harness]

im not a fan of him but like, its easy to understand when it was pretty evident how much of a shit show it was

[obsidian venture]

Even Mod Goblin recognizes that it needed some more cooking

Plus it really wasn't 5 unique fights

[slender vapor]

It feels like delve rewards were so bad they had to delay delve to fix it, and yama which was supposed to be later was pushed up to meet content release dates

[obsidian venture]

Seems like that and I hope that isn't the case

[slender vapor]

Yama could've cooked a few more months

[obsidian venture]

Also to folks happy with endgame pvmers being upset, you clearly don't understand how little updates we receive

There was a 6-7 year gap

[tender harness]

bloody blows like I dont understand

who designed that

camp 15 hp and be chiped for 95% of HP

[slender vapor]

The same person who designed ToA

Does it show?

[tacit pendant]

Collo was like... pretty recent

[obsidian venture]

Yeah that's what broke that dryness

[tacit pendant]

Ah

Toa was what 22?

[nocturne solstice]

dt2 awakened doesnt count?

[obsidian venture]

I guess Phosanis? But with extraordinary shit drop rates

[slender vapor]

You can't reasonably grind awakened content

That's why people hate it

[tender harness]

theres zero reason to grind awakened its 1nd

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it's endgame but it's not actual repeatable content

But if you want to be pedantic sure

That's still 6 years

[tacit pendant]

Nex duo is kinda endgame but thats reaching

[obsidian venture]

That's arbitrary scaling

[tacit pendant]

Dt was 2 years, i cant really see where you are getting 6

[nocturne solstice]

Is that not just moving the goalposts? I wouldnt really call inferno repeatable content either.

[obsidian venture]

6 years into a dogshit system, then colo, into a midgame duo boss with another dogshit system called contracts

[hasty shard]

i want to counterpoint that woke wisp is less punishing 😭

[tender harness]

speeds arent repeatable?

thats moving the goal post

[hasty shard]

idk why people keep bringing it up as if you cant recover from getting tapped there lol

[slender vapor]

Inferno is a slayer task

[obsidian venture]

It is repeatable content as it's not gatekept by gp

[slender vapor]

What do you mean not repeatable?

[hasty shard]

yama just actually one hits you

[nocturne solstice]

Well there's the supply fee, go ask Evan

isnt it like 2m per run in supplies?

[tacit pendant]

Can pot toa 600 all day 🙂

[nocturne solstice]

That number is just off the dome though, likely off

[obsidian venture]

That's legit irrelevant to this discussion though

Supply fees impact nothing

[nocturne solstice]

You're the one that brought up gatekept by GP though

[obsidian venture]

Orbs/contracts?

[nocturne solstice]

If you dont have GP for supplies you cant do it

[hasty shard]

Reminder that for a lot of the things people are upset about currently, jagex went out of the way to say they would be giving us the exact opposite 😭

[obsidian venture]

Are you dense? What person doing content would'nt have supplies

[hasty shard]

better than orbs, substantially changing the base fight

[nocturne solstice]

People who arent doing supplies, are you being obtuse on purpose or what

[hasty shard]

[obsidian venture]

Especially endgame pvmers

[nocturne solstice]

You use a blanket statement to mean something specific. Just say something specific.

[obsidian venture]

Supplies are used everywhere so that's not a factor

[nocturne solstice]

Its not gatekept by GP it's gatekept by contracts which you hate.

[obsidian venture]

It's buying something to access the content

[tacit pendant]

Tbf endgamers arent using that many brews 2 mil is an overestimate by a mile

[nocturne solstice]

Thats fine to say but why even ignore supply costs as if supplies come outta thin air

[obsidian venture]

Because that's a non-issue man

What are you saying

[tender harness]

supply cost has been barely a factor years if not its not at all a factor supply cost isn't an issue

[nocturne solstice]

Lemme actually calc an average inv setup

[obsidian venture]

You can calc whatever you want

But supplies aren't a factor

[tacit pendant]

Supplies are a factor. Contracts are just supplies that cost a lot

[nocturne solstice]

What is the logic here?
Supplies cost GP
The complaint is GP
Supplies don't count
???

[tacit pendant]

Im more on your side bane tbf

[hasty shard]

also conflating that more supply cost isn't a bad thing if it ends up as a discussion

[small anvil]

if you die wave 1 you dont use up an entire runs worth of supplies

[chrome lantern]

You don’t pay a mil to enter wave 1 inferno

[small anvil]

you can attenuate your supply costs by changing what you use

its disingenous to compare contracts to supply costs

[tacit pendant]

Listen im a bad spender

[obsidian venture]

You're acting like we need to calc our supply cost before entering content

[hasty shard]

If you really dont want to spend a lot on inferno runs you can just camp bowfa anyways for 0 gp

[obsidian venture]

You can do whatever

If anything I could have rephrased it to mention contracts

But since we were talking about a shit system, it should have been implied

[nocturne solstice]

No I agree that supply costs and GP costs are things that "Gatekeep" content. It's just strange that people are acting like its something new.

[tacit pendant]

Contracts like 3x-5x supply cost. Whether thats ok or not is an arguement.

Similarly people dont like pvp cuz its usually just a straight loss of 500k-5mil on a failed 'attempt'

[chrome lantern]

Supplies are extremely different from contract/orb/entry fees

[slender vapor]

Paying 1m up front to even attempt the content =/= supply cost to run said content

It's not that hard

[chrome lantern]

Not to mention ironman implications

[obsidian venture]

Yeah you're overthinking the fuck outta this lmao

[hasty shard]

base supply costs i don't think gatekeep content currently as jagex does a good job of avoiding dps checks

[small anvil]

i just watched gnomonkeys vid

[hasty shard]

ironically they failed this with yama

[tacit pendant]

Yall think jagex is gonna nerf the rates again on oath?

[chrome lantern]

Farming demons for contracts could be a “supply” too but it’s very different

[small anvil]

besides him having like no familiarity with the demons contract farming

nothing struck me as like overtly wrong about what he said

[slender vapor]

[chrome lantern]

I’d prefer if they wait until I get my helm on the iron ty

[slender vapor]

Gnome was correct

[hasty shard]

im not exactly sure how you clear p3 yama without being able to two hit them with trident

[tender harness]

why should the demons be better rates than yama though for contracts? contracts should come primarly from Yama and they dont

[tacit pendant]

Nah, honestly the worst part of the vid was that its an hour long for what can be said in 10

[slender vapor]

"Because PoE does it!!"

[tacit pendant]

But here we are yapping so

[hasty shard]

another thing they said they would do the opposite for

[chrome lantern]

At the least, Demons shouldn’t be better than Yama to farm contracts.
As an additional note, this does not mean nerf demons to match Yama

[hasty shard]

the implication was that you can target farm demons for the contracts if you really needed a specific one, right?

[tacit pendant]

Just make the mage infernal cape a champions cape esque grind. Real old school vibes

[small anvil]

they made some drops rarer too now

[hasty shard]

gets to release and its like a 5 minute timer for random ones

[small anvil]

with the dossier change

[tender harness]

I also dont get who was asking for a 10 - 15 minute fight of pure focus and high cost to entry, and mind numbing boredom early until the challenge, and random ass 1 shots.
who is that for?

[chrome lantern]

Honestly

[slender vapor]

Oathplate takes 20 more kills to get with dossier change

[small anvil]

the acquisition contract rates are worse iirc

[chrome lantern]

Why isn’t the dossier a secondary drop

[hasty shard]

yeah bringing up droprate changes is w/e

[obsidian venture]

This overall was probably the worst update in a while

[hasty shard]

dossier should be secondary though

[chrome lantern]

Dossier and lockbox should be secondary drops

[small anvil]

it was honestly just bungled in so many different ways

[obsidian venture]

I usually support their choices but they put too many eggs in one basket

Keep it simple

[thick beacon]

its a bummer to me i was really exicted for new challange and i like that its hard

[chrome lantern]

Also as much as the pet showing up at the loot spot is neat, it should probably be a secondary/tertiary drop too

[tender harness]

First update of the year and its a piece of shit

[thick beacon]

but feel like so much ppl are shitting on challange in commuity to where it wont feel good even if u get it

[chrome lantern]

Maybe just stall the loot a couple ticks for screenshot if you get pet

[small anvil]

streamer being unwilling to tackle any acquisition contract is telling honestly

[hasty shard]

pretty sure pets a tertiary, saw someone post their ss that it was

[obsidian venture]

Good amount of folks don't even like the recolor lmao

[tender harness]

The acquisition ones are bad

[hasty shard]

wiki just schizo

[obsidian venture]

Imagine grinding a cosmetic where you don't like it

[chrome lantern]

Interesting I was told by someone it was not

[obsidian venture]

Why would you grind it

[hasty shard]

yeah we still dont have the oathplate design survey out do we

[tender harness]

Solo horn and oathplate contracts
Are legit ???

[tender harness]

Nobody is going to farm those for money

[hasty shard]

its not like i dont like blorva but im 3/4 without even having torva

[thick beacon]

i wish they definitely gave it a blorva effect where it looked diffrent then reg oathplate

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[chrome lantern]

From my clanmate

[obsidian venture]

But someone just took a white paintbrush and dabbed it on

[thick beacon]

with the way feedback is going they prob also arent gona include it fully on gm

[hasty shard]

like i'd say an element of prestige plays into it, but radiant comes off like the champs cape grind and not blorva's

[obsidian venture]

Goblin said any 1 contract would suffice

[thick beacon]

like its just sad cuz iove awakend type content and for noone to care gona kill my vibe of even going for it now

[obsidian venture]

So the radiant won't really make it as of now

[nocturne solstice]

So using the wiki setup for inferno Tbow
Consumable total to 430,965gp
Runes cost 3,730,000gp
Dragon arrows (Assuming 2k) cost 3,080,000gp

For a total of 7,240,965gp

I dont think thats the cost per run, the potions and stuff might be accurate but the runes and dragon arrows might get ya 2 or 3 runs? Didnt count blowpipe scales and ddarts so it would probably be even higher.

[hasty shard]

in other words forfeit breath

[obsidian venture]

😑

[slender vapor]

Gnome feels worm contact is harder than bloodied blow

[small anvil]

did he try some?

[tender harness]

He did horn

[chrome lantern]

Yeah you’re not using remotely all those supplies for an inferno run

[tender harness]

Worm is scaled to duo afaik

[slender vapor]

He tried worm

[hasty shard]

dragon arrows are not 3m 😭

cost/h for tbow is like 300k

[obsidian venture]

Are we talking about lil timmy with a 5m bank or something

[chrome lantern]

lmao really? I was hoping to use mine at some point

[hasty shard]

pennies

[nocturne solstice]

That was just the cost for 2k dragon arrows, do you know how much you use for a run? I could put that in instead

[chrome lantern]

Tbow is significantly cheaper than blowpipe anyway and that’s still fairly cheap

[thick beacon]

ye theres no incentive feel like if u had it ppl gona be like "what u did that piss challange?" not required for gm either

[hasty shard]

completely ignored you saying not per run

xd

but yeah no it'd just be around like 150-300k

[tacit pendant]

Yeah you arent shooting 2k in an inferno attempt lol. But inferno do be costing money

[chrome lantern]

Also can significantly lower prices if you use amethyst

[hasty shard]

you tbow mager iirc

[slender vapor]

Gl

[small anvil]

oh, orb is seph

[slender vapor]

[chrome lantern]

Not for pbs but for kc

[small anvil]

weren't you purple before

[nocturne solstice]

That would be about 200 arrows, crazy recovery on that assembler 👀

[hasty shard]

lily said it would be confusing if me and @elder yoke were chatting the same time

cause you use bp on everything else

[small anvil]

oh godsel changed to that

[tender harness]

Assembler? Huh mfw quiver max cape exists

[obsidian venture]

wtf

[nocturne solstice]

Same saved isnt it?

[hasty shard]

ye

[chrome lantern]

Who’s going to become Leviathan Range Orb and Leviathan Rock and Leviathan Enrage Orb and Leviathan Lightning Orb

[nocturne solstice]

smh

[tacit pendant]

Tbh i dont even think im oposed to "pay 1m to fight boss" as a one off boss, atleast thats a gold sink. So long as the boss doesnt drop actual important upgrade you cant get elsewhere

[nocturne solstice]

So if I halve the comsumable cost (assuming you dont use it all), divide rune cost by 3 since we're assuming it might carry you through 3 runs worth, and drop dragon arrow costs to 300k, the new total will be 1,758,815gp per run

[hasty shard]

thats just instances

[obsidian venture]

Idt folks would truly mind if it gave a reward worthy of that up front cost or simply... just fun

But this isn't fun

and getting them is limited to 5

it's cancer

[tacit pendant]

Ye

[nocturne solstice]

I think if you want something fun you need to provide more consistent feedback so they can actually change something to make it fun.

[obsidian venture]

That's actually pennies

[tacit pendant]

I think some people are fundamentally against paying any in game gp/items up front. And thats ok but im cool with losing stuff in the game

[nocturne solstice]

You're complaining about contracts that cost 700k thats less than half of those pennies

[obsidian venture]

Listen... that's what were folks were doing all this time, through these discussions

[obsidian venture]

700k to get 1 shot 🔥

[tender harness]

Tbf pingu probably corrupted bowfa so cut some slack

[nocturne solstice]

You're being inconsistent right now!

[obsidian venture]

You're being obtuse

Again supplies is a non concern lmao

[nocturne solstice]

You called 1.7m pennies but complain about 700k how is that being obtuse?

[small anvil]

supplies get used up doing any content

[chrome lantern]

You don't use 1.7m in supplies if you die in wave 10 of inferno

You still use supplies after using a 1m contract

[small anvil]

an entry fee that is used up in 1 second is not the same as supplies

[obsidian venture]

.

[winged mantle]

imo the contract system shouldn't have been introduced at all. they were made as duo content, they should have scrapped them till they could be done duo.

[tender harness]

Because you arent factoring in usage if you die literally wave 1 or 2
A fee to just send content isnt the same as supplies

[small anvil]

doing anything pvm costs supplies unless it's what, CG?

[obsidian venture]

^

It's a non-factor lmao

It's a cost that you naturally use when sending anything in game

Especially in pvm

[nocturne solstice]

Does that mean that contracts will be okay if they were only consumed if you reach p3?

[obsidian venture]

And usually drops cover that

[obsidian venture]

Might have to figure out different ways to say this

[small anvil]

no point talking to someone trying to be obtuse

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obsidian venture]

Legit lmao

[tender harness]

Im not a word Smith and its midnight 😭

[nocturne solstice]

Thats literally what your complaint was, it's not the same because you could die immediately and have wasted 700k. Supplies arent a problem because you lose it as you go through the content. Therefore if the 700k was taken halfway through the content it would be supply costs and not a problem

[obsidian venture]

Yeah but a chat mod has to join a convo and turn it sideways by not understanding how supplies aren't really an issue and how for the most part we understand we will have to use them to do any sort of pvm minus cg

[small anvil]

supplies aren't comparable to the entry fee

you're insisting they are

[tacit pendant]

Overall very happy the community seems to be in the "this isnt duo enough" instead of wanting single player-scape

[small anvil]

supplies are a factor in doing anything

[nocturne solstice]

Where? I'm agreeing with you that it's not the same and it's because one cost is upfront and if you die in 1 second its gone.

[winged mantle]

we voted for a duo boss + everything that entails "duo"

[nocturne solstice]

Thats why I asked if it would be better if the contract only expired after reaching a checkpoint like p3

[obsidian venture]

Endgame Duo Boss!

DUO

DUO

?

[tender harness]

Authenticator

[tacit pendant]

Hope we get even more group content. Degen Tob mishaps are the best content in the game

[obsidian venture]

I hope the next group content we get absolutely fucks the solo version

[upbeat moss]

sucks that you cant duo yama tbh

[obsidian venture]

Because they cannot make content that caters to both

They have failed each time

[tacit pendant]

Yup, toa u can literally death dot copy your teamates and its so lame

[nocturne solstice]

That would probably be better tbh

Just something like GWD or something where you just both run in and beat up the boss

[obsidian venture]

Tob is the pinnacle of group content that rewards solo gameplay IF you're able to complete it

[tender harness]

Gwd is group solo content

[obsidian venture]

Solo tob is comparable to trio tob gp iirc