game-update

[formal sentinel]

before it gets figured out

[rain fulcrum]

Didn't they decrease it

Not increase

[formal sentinel]

I think the guy got confused. They increased the denominator, which results in fewer drops

[red briar]

or yeah ^

hehe

its gonna be hard to keep its value

but i assume they know that and will make them hard af

[torpid delta]

goblin said in a reddit comment it's a piece "of your choosing". but goblin said a lot of things about contracts, and well,

[formal sentinel]

He also said agility shortcut would be 82 😭

IMO, the existence of donofly combined with the overall drop rate is going to be the biggest reason for armour pieces flooding the market. Because methods like that make creating bots with consistency so much easier. Look at Bandos

[hard axle]

more skill checks good

[formal sentinel]

Yeah, but I did the grinding for it only to find out on release it's actually 83

[hard axle]

je-je-jebaited

[formal sentinel]

It's like he reached out from my monitor and somehow manually stubbed my toe

It's not a big thing in the long run, but like. Come on, man

[hard axle]

yeah that was a lil fucked up

[plush gull]

oh so the oathplate contract is just dry protection for irons that you can repeat until you win? 🙃

[meager flame]

you think jagex has gotten reality checked by pvp spec pot yet

or are they still too focused on yama

[slender vapor]

I hope it's not touched

I'm enjoying the rage

[meager flame]

lmao idk its bad for everyone if they dont change it

people can just rush you and if you die you die

in any bracket at this point

i guess you could argue you could get a protect melee up but

idk

[slender vapor]

They signed up for a nuclear arms race

Now that the nuclear weapons are strong enough they're gonna cry?

[meager flame]

i legit think it was just total no thinking only pve dps

when they did spec pot lol

but hey i mean

i said it in here months before it existed

maybe more like weeks

im sure im not the only one either lol

[slender vapor]

I saw the writing on the walls too

I knew it was gonna be giga busted in pvp

This spec pot shows just how unbalanced pvp actually is, 25% more special attack is enough to make 200 hp possible to die through

[meager flame]

i mean it was already insane but there was a play to make usually

but now you can just straight die from 115 hp and a triple eat

lmao

you would think jagex couldn't possibly be so insane they would let that happen

[slender vapor]

I doubt enough jagex staff understand pvp well enough to know this was gonna be a problem

[meager flame]

but they basically just put that on the menu in any bracket especially for people using clients and ahk

[slender vapor]

Mod Redacted: Yeah it'll be cool for pvp and it will shake up the meta

[meager flame]

tbh

the logic probably went something like

"well it was already technically possible even though it was impossibly rare so who cares if we just add in extra avenues to try and increase the likelihood that something like this could happen exponentially"

[plush gull]

i died to chip damage in p3, should have never banked my locator orb and prayer regen for infinite redemptions

[meager flame]

and then whoever thought that is now seeing what drastically increasing the likelihood of insane stacks actually looks like

and probably contemplating how to nerf it in pvp

[slender vapor]

And then it's biggest major use cases goes away and the pot becomes fodder

[hard axle]

they instead listened listened to the folks that said it would only be 6 extra damage per minute from zcb, as if burst and sustained damage are different use cases

[plush gull]

this fight is impossible i dont understand the timing for when fireballs are finished dodging

think im gonna try these tiles instead

[nocturne solstice]

I go off sound fx
When you hear the fireball hit the ground then move. But also I dont make wide sweeping movements like that. I just move 1 tile for each set of fireballs.

[plush gull]

i play without sound

[sacred oracle]

play with sound then

it helps a ton for pvm

there's all sorts of useful musical/sound cues at bosses

[plush gull]

those tiles are bad

[jovial sentinel]

Tbf, the playerbase also for some reason didnt think of it, since they voted it in. And it was so obvious

People too busy complaining their snowflakes were not going to get clues, to notice it

[plush gull]

i voted no just cuz herblore req even though i wanted em for colo

why herblore combat stat now

im a main let me buy potions

[idle rapids]

wow shale has rlly crashed

[fossil epoch]

atleast 3 youtubes made a video yesterday on how good the money was there, and told people to go mine

[small anvil]

yeah, i saw 2 of those, soup and flipping old school

the money is gonna be in contracts i'm pretty sure

but i'm not confident enough that jagex wont change something tomorrow

so i wont buy just yet

[fossil epoch]

yeh, contracts depend on how easy/hard the fight is, and if jagex ends up increasing the amount of contracts from Yama

[small anvil]

daily volume of the cosmetic contracts is enough for like 3 peoples attempts lol

[fossil epoch]

so far in 148 solos, ive had 3 pet contracts and 1 cosmetic contract

[small anvil]

you're about on rate on cosmetic

over for pet i think

[fossil epoch]

8 dossiers

[small anvil]

cosmetic is about 1/120 to get ANY cosmetic contract

recolor for oath i mean

and you need to do all 5

[fossil epoch]

yeh irons who wants it, will have to farm the regular demons thats for sure

[small anvil]

i'm really tempted to go all in with my cash stack but i'm waiting til tomorrow

and god forbid they fail the contract

it's like 20x worse than orbs

[fossil epoch]

yeh, i feel like they announced it as a better way than the orbs, but i guess having regular people farm them increases the amount? not so sure

[small anvil]

they anticipated a lot more coming into game from regular people farming demons

[fossil epoch]

Yeh, jagex pushed the update planned for today to tommorrow. Because they wanted to balance the contracts more

[small anvil]

i'm so tempted to go in on contracts but if jagex has a brain and preemptively changes things

i could lose so much

so like... it's 50/50

[fossil epoch]

That is why they are worth a lot though

uncertainty

[slender vapor]

It feels like jagex had some really oddly balanced expectations for this entire update tbh

I definitely think they expected more people power farming demons, and for the base fight to be more challenging

[icy relic]

It's like they just rehashed mossy keys except tradeable and higher stakes

nobody wants to afk greaters, they want to do the boss

[plush gull]

pay 80m every time u wanna do the boss. only costs 20 pounds in bonds above base membership cost to do 1 boss fight

this was the response I got when I sent a refund request over the new pay to play model a few weeks ago

i hope they fix awakeners orbs soon

[fossil epoch]

Seems like you didnt want to stop playing though

[plush gull]

does it?

almost all of my engagement osrs is complaining in here or on reddit, its turned from a fun hobby into a source of stress. idk why it seems to u like it hasnt impacted my desire to keep playing

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-cjh-gif-18483676

[fossil epoch]

Well i dont follow your reddit adventure, but i have seen your post in here, the pictures you post seem to show yourself being logged in to the game quite a bit.
I dont think jagex cares much if you bank stand, plank at bosses or play the game in any other way though in terms of active players

[plush gull]

oh speaking of pictures

if dossier guarantees death charge after 100 kc

shouldnt i just get carried to 100 kc even with no contribution

and then get 1 dossier if i havent already

maybe jagex will add a npc for me to de-ironmain tomorrow

[vivid ruin]

Thats a 20 hour grind, longer than void

Assuming 5 min runs due to no contribute

[fossil epoch]

Pretty sure you need to do 15% or something for the kill count as a real kill.
But who knows if the kc from sub 15% kills count

[plush gull]

i dont even find the boss fun, just want the upgrade for colo so i can forget its even in the game. wasnt polled for it to be untradeable

[vivid ruin]

The thing i find funny is

Things will get added to the game

And despite people living without this stuff for years

The complaints of need and greed still kick in

[upbeat moss]

Interestingly enough, the rewards poll said "tradeable" for the catalysts, worms, oathplate, tallow and the soulflame horn.
It said "untradeable" for surge potions.
But the question regarding death charge doesn't mention either of those words.
It just says "unlockable upgrade"

[fossil epoch]

yeh i checked the same.
Some unlocks in this game are tradeable, like the cox prayers, and some unlocks are not, but usually not given as a drop i believe

[plush gull]

the worst precedent is the ancient sceptre which is like 1/50

[fossil epoch]

I guess its very much the same as Titan prayers, which arent tradeable, but it just doesnt seem like there is a "rule" for the wording unlockable

[upbeat moss]

Upgrades something you already have into a better version? Untradeable
Unlocks a new thing (cox prayers)? Tradeable
Idk tho

[fossil epoch]

I think its healthy for the game not everything can be bought, so something requires you to do content for an upgrade.
But i also think its important that you can buy upgrades, as that really is the main way to progress

[fossil epoch]

That might be it.
That fits with the Ancient sceptre, since its an upgrade.
But it doesnt fit with Dragon hunter lance

[upbeat moss]

But the lance is tradeable

[fossil epoch]

Yeh and the ancient scepter isent

and both are upgrades items

[upbeat moss]

I'm not following tbh

[fossil epoch]

"Upgrades something you already have into a better version? Untradeable"
You said this

thats what im building on

[upbeat moss]

Oh shit I forgot the lance requires a zhasta lol

I see that as more of crafting a new item completely though. Kinda like ferocious gloves

Either way, it's not consistent

[fossil epoch]

Yeh
It seems like its mainly up to the team who produce the content how they want the items.
And i think it makes sense that you can buy all the gear it drops, but the permanent unlock for your account requires you to do the content

[upbeat moss]

Makes sense except for cox prayers.
I think it's okay for things to not be universally consistent though

[fossil epoch]

Yeh and the team back then just decided thats how they wanted the prayers, which you say is okay

[upbeat moss]

Yeah. And cox was so long ago, so much has changed

Tbh if it came out today, the prayers would probably be untradeable lol

[fossil epoch]

They might have been, but they also set a precedent for the raids to have some of the best items beside megarares to be the easier to get items

[upbeat moss]

Even looking at toa, rune pouch upgrade being untradeable

And the gems, but those aren't really relevant lol

[dawn kettle]

Any update on the firemaking bonfire xp change from poll 84? @vague viper

[upbeat moss]

#old-school message

i swear i remember a jmod saying that its done, but they didnt want to ship much unrelated stuff with the yama update, just to be safe

[dawn kettle]

Ah okay, thanks. Been waiting near a month for this update.

[upbeat moss]

yeah the timing with yama coming out is unfortunate for us bonfire enjoyers haha

[true talon]

your tiles are fine your skill is not also pls go do wgs lmao lol

[plush gull]

u think these tiles are fine?

its 2 tiles ahead of the usual wave skip

[true talon]

yes those tiles will easy skip

[frail bough]

after fireballs drop there's a big hourglass shadow

[true talon]

i used those when maging

[frail bough]

after you see those, then you can move back to reset tile or w/e you're doing

[plush gull]

i just sold all my mage gear im gonna use arclight and learn to get back into cycle after trident of the seas->ahrims staff demonbane to kill flares

[true talon]

your timing was off and youyr clicks are not accurate

do fucking wgs lol

you are shooting yourself in the face

[frail bough]

yeah go do the quest

also i perosnally prefer these tiles if you care

once the shadow walls intersect on top tile, you click top tile

then reset south tile after you dodge

[true talon]

you can freely make a purging staff an sell it once done

[frail bough]

but yeah i didnt realize your previous clips were without purge staff, go get that

[true talon]

youve spent 4 days at yama using ineffective methods, instead of doing a 45 minute quest

actually morelike 6 days

[plush gull]

dont have reqs, i didnt even finish hand in the sand after 12 hours and 3+ people calling me a troll

[true talon]

Do you not know of thos glorious plugin called quest helper

[plush gull]

rly? i literally made up those tiles myself to dodge hourglass by running 2 tiles, and skip 2 tiles forward so im always in range of flares

this is how it went

[true talon]

Also if all you do is colo what does your setup look like?

[plush gull]

consistent GM time with 180m setup #game-questions message

[plush gull]

oh thats the wrong file

anyway im serious that i just sold my mage gear

gonna try melee later

[true talon]

Wouldnt hurt to invest in your accounts progress

wgs is good quest

[tacit pendant]

I thought maybe you were a pure until i saw the virtus. Wgs is an hour just knock it out. You will want purging for mistakes and long cycles even doing donofly

[plush gull]

its ahrims

[frail bough]

additionally you sort of want the emberlight upgrade even with melee lol

[tacit pendant]

Oh its cursed ahrims lolol

And yeah emberlight shreds

[frail bough]

honestly if i were you i would have just stuck with wgs and mage since purging staff you don't need to charge/corrupt
but if you're not willing to do wgs anyway then glgl

[true talon]

You can buy 2 synpase and make emberlight and purging, get your deathcharge and sell it.

if all you do is colo then you should be prett rich as colo consistently done is some of the best money in the game

Also dossier is not 100% chance to get deathcharge, i think i got teleports on my first lmao.

jagex be scamming

[ember token]

its 100% chance once you hit 100 kc

[true talon]

oh really

[plush gull]

someone carry me to 100 kc while i addy cbow yama?

[frail bough]

no

show me wgs and i will

[true talon]

You need to do 15% of the damage or else you get demon shit as a drop

[plush gull]

how many ruby bolts is that

[plush gull]

actually tho? wanna sign a contract?

[frail bough]

wgs and purchase purging staff and we send tonight

the moment you complain about something though im out

[plush gull]

its 9pm and im missing 5 preqreqs for wgs

[frail bough]

perfect, im about to start 8hour work shift

[true talon]

yea it wont take very long lol

quest helper is your best friend

[frail bough]

also though, if game is stressing you out - i suggest not really playing it

idk if i misinterpreted your previous statements or what but seems a bit silly

[true talon]

Aether rune crafting is extremely expensive for irons if you use scar ess XD

400 gp + soul + the catalyst

[frail bough]

👀

[fossil epoch]

it just speeds it up yeh, doesnt give you extra aether runes

so i guess its a choice lol

[true talon]

Ya it speeds it up by a fuck ton though

[fossil epoch]

for sure

[true talon]

was able to smash out 250 kc worth of yama catalsy in two trips

[fossil epoch]

tbf, if you are at a point on an iron where you are doing yama, you probably have more gp than you will need

[true talon]

oh for sure, i around 1b cash that i would end up spending on runes lol

[fossil epoch]

I wonder how soon they will release more sources of aether runes

[frail bough]

probably never imo

[true talon]

Ehh i dont think we need it. yama is a good source.

[frail bough]

you get a shit ton

[fossil epoch]

They were very picky about the name, because they wanted it to be dropped by multiple sources

[true talon]

but they should like fix up his basic table a bit and QOL of the fight to be more smooth

[fossil epoch]

so it couldnt have like a demon or angel name, so it wouldnt fit the content

those, tallow and bait will be used up pretty quickly i feel, and its never fun to go back to a boss you have the drops from, so farm resources

[true talon]

I wouls say more worms should drop, less tallow, remove the cut gems??, get rid of supply drops stealing a roll. remove 1 of the d dart rolls in the lockbox. get rid of law runes, remove all alchables.

[frail bough]

i dont remember seeing this tbh, are you sure this is true?

but yeah either way its going to be along time probably, you still get a shit ton - adding it to another source would just decrease gp/hr at yama

[fossil epoch]

Very sure, they had a whole post about it in here somewhere.
And they asked for names, and jmod comments was about how many of the suggested names didnt make sense, since it was very angelic names for a demon drop

[fossil epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/Y2S51Lf.png

[frail bough]

right but what does that have to do with it dropping from multiple sources

not wanting angelic name is because he's a demon

demon-ish

[fossil epoch]

Like runes get used up fast i feel

[frail bough]

idk mark of darkness lasts 5 minutes and it takes 1 aether rune right?

[fossil epoch]

One of the comments about the name finding, was that it should fit not just demons dropping them

[frail bough]

hm i c

i guess it could be pretty fast if using mage method

[fossil epoch]

Will it only be used for mark of darkness though? one of the common runepouches is for both Thralls and Death charge.
Those 2 spells dont use both runes, but if you want to use those 2 spells, you need 5 runes, or use the aether rune to bring it down to 4 for the pouch

using the rune to save an inventory space seems like the most common use for it

[frail bough]

idk im not convinced the rune is even that great tbh but i also don't care about ditching a switch at content so i have +1 invo slot instead of giving myself more chores

as iron*

[true talon]

Its actually really good.

IE in chambers you can now bring death charge, thralls and vile vigour without losing a inventory slot

so you can death charge off monsters/olm hands

and not need light bearer

[frail bough]

yeah but again i dont care about losing invo slot, i've got 28 of them

[ember token]

the point of the rune is to save an inventory spot at places where you would bring both death charge and thralls

which is a lot of places

[fossil epoch]

You might not, but a lot do, and thats why the runes will be used up faster than the 5min mark of darkness only used at yama content

[true talon]

Its pretty huge

[frail bough]

yeah idk i dont ever really use thralls or deathcharge either

i can see the value for others but i personally would never go out of my way to make sure i had them at all times

unless i could just buy them

[fossil epoch]

A bit flabbergasted atm ngl

[frail bough]

yama is actually the first place ive used thralls consistently lol

[fossil epoch]

Not convinced its great, because you dont use some of the most overpowered spells, is not the best way to argue imo

But fair

[frail bough]

well again, saving 1 invo slot for a rune that doens't give damage buff seems a bit dumb unless you're actually struggling with invo slots

which i am not

but i also dont play the game doing gearcheck dps calcs and swapping gear and bringing an extra switch for 0.0001 dps increase - ill just drop the item and bring and extra rune if needed

[obsidian venture]

💀

[frail bough]

again, if i could just buy them as a main I could see value, but its obviously not a requirement otherwise people wouldn't have been using those spells together in the first place

[true talon]

Well in chambers for example, not having an extra brew or restore could = death lol

[frail bough]

ive never had that issue so idk

[true talon]

If olm decides to say hey fuck you

[obsidian venture]

Surely thralls at olm

[true talon]

and every auto he gets is a jad

Also this is criminal

why cant i empty this in my bank lol

[hard axle]

that is criminal

but carry on

[frail bough]

lock me up, i'm having too much fun!

[rain fulcrum]

Should unironically be locked up for not thralling solo olm

[tacit pendant]

Thralls and new death charge are incredibly strong. And you're an iron, so the flat .667 dps add is going to feel even stronger when your base dps is lower than a main at some places.

[hard axle]

This and Spider Egg Sac

[hard axle]

This shit is nasty

We knew double DC would be fantastic in places, but it is nasty

toss a chin at tightrope mobs

+30 spec

(now make olm's hands count toward dc to be giga busted)

[tacit pendant]

Its so good. Like I was skipping orbs in solo yamas but I'm starting to lean back towards the consistency and hella extra spec of killing them

Granted killing orbs is 14 ticks, no shot 30 spec makes up for that

[frail bough]

still feels good tho

its all about the vibes

[tacit pendant]

Yeah and no concerns of getting meteored is nice

Solos have a solid amount of risk taking and decisions in loadout, its really well balanced

[true talon]

oh olm hands dont? this was my main use case 😦

[tacit pendant]

Olm is already getting ripped up by oathplate and the new mage % buff this summer

Leave him be

[true talon]

Nah gimmie that death charge

Hands die, i should be allowed to get spec. i planned to use this so i can bin the light bearer and bring ultor or bellator

[hard axle]

no they do not

did u not notice

[hard axle]

olm is getting pounded hard

2 surge doses, oathplate, etc.

[tacit pendant]

How hand come back up if die?

[fossil epoch]

Surely its part of tomorrows update

[hard axle]

but judge of yama comes back

and erm

[tacit pendant]

No its a new guy

[hard axle]

[tacit pendant]

They look totally diff

[hard axle]

what if olm has 6 arms

:checkmate:

[tacit pendant]

"All demons look the same" in 2025, the hateful audacity

[true talon]

I never brought in death charge, because it would require an additonal inventory slot.

[hard axle]

[true talon]

Im not a master Coxer or anything lol.

[hard axle]

neither am i

im still a terrorist at cox

[true talon]

I mean im like 40 min CM solo kinda guy lol

I got to the point i can just do mini-prep over a full prep and finish olm now.

I guess if i can somehow do vanguards with no supply i can no prep

But it would require ZGS to not miss. as mutadile is either 0 food or 8 brews

Wait this makes torva helm more than the plate now, because it takes 3 plates to repair it compared to 1 of the helm lol.

[tender harness]

just let us combine torva and oathplate for undegradable toathplate

[true talon]

I mean there is no way they didnt think this would have 0 impact on torva??

[ember token]

just let us combine every single melee armor set into the super omega ultra set

[true talon]

they must be trying to kill nex lol

[fossil epoch]

Why stop at melee only

[ember token]

torvquitiosiarplate

[tender harness]

no you idiot. Inquisitor is going to be a reagent to buff justiciar

get with it

[true talon]

Facts masoric plate of ancestral torva.

it gives you the stats of all 3 sets

[tender harness]

also daily plea to delete surge pots

thanks jagex

[true talon]

I havnt used them but i have 1400 tallow, so i maybe should lol.

Waiting to see if they do anything tomorrow

[tender harness]

they only
fucked up multi lines with it
changed the entire pvp meta
from what I can tell speeds are something with them

[true talon]

the whole 3 people who pvp are surely upset

[tender harness]

I mean I dont pvp but when you are hitting over 200 with 130% spec bar

thats not even tick eatable

[true talon]

That was already possible

and its an issue with stuff like gmaul which they dont seem to want to fix

[tender harness]

atlatl gmaul nox

[true talon]

Like hey an instant follow up after a auto is prob not balanced guys lol

[tacit pendant]

Avernic jumpsuit

[hard axle]

waiting for ancy 2.0 that eats up ancy 1.0

[tender harness]

ancy 3.0 that lets you now get range and mage benefits

but requires masori (f) and ancy 2.0

[hard axle]

yes yes

[steel aspen]

I don't pvp, but when the best players can't survive getting rushed... it's probably worth changing

[true talon]

No... and im not bias on this at all. for sure.

[tender harness]

2 tbows. no complaining

[hard axle]

at least with ancy 2.0, you'll be done with 2 ancy tops or 6 ancy cloths (1:3:2 breakdown)

[true talon]

You only need 1

[hard axle]

dupe mitigation

[true talon]

True, bring it on. getting unduped ancestral is like pain. its longer grind than tbow on average lol.

[tender harness]

ancy 2.0 should be virtus broken down + ancy + new ancy fragments

[true talon]

Virtus was a god send for me

[tender harness]

while we are at it. lets add new ancy, and slip in overloads

[true talon]

It allowed me to have ancestral for everything but shadow lol

[tender harness]

raids 4 will have contracts 2.0
they drop as orbs that you trade with contract vendors that roll random affixes for random rewards

that are 1nd

[true talon]

NGL if the did awakener orbs 2.0 and botched it this bad. i fear for the future.

Id rather they just cont to make content like fortis/inferno that has basically no modifications and is just naturally difficult.

[hard axle]

not wrong

[true talon]

not a fan of this rougelike gameplay approach

[hard axle]

barrage + ancy damage

[true talon]

I dont need my fight or farm to change in differences between each run

I need to be granted access to even attempt it in the first place XD

Not go farm greater demons for a entry key

[tender harness]

poll question be like: "Should we create a new armor that takes Virtus, breaks it down and combines it with Ancestral and fragments from the new boss to make new armor, while also removing the defense requirement from Chivalry"

[true talon]

Gotta sneak that chivarly and moving the vls out of bounty hunter.

[tacit pendant]

Vls outside of bh with the pots might actually get wildy deleted

[slender vapor]

I'm so glad people put their foot down about vls

Jagex would not let that damn thing go

[tacit pendant]

Its a dds without the accuracy weakness of a dds lol

[slender vapor]

It also ignores 75% of defense

You can't just armor up against it

[tacit pendant]

I want to see some corny double death charge plus spec pot 155 damage combos

[slender vapor]

https://i.imgur.com/etEoubg.png

Cant hit below 20% of your max, up to 120% and it ignores 75% of your armor, and you can now spec 5 times in a row

[gusty rose]

its basically a vw with 4 specs

lol

[tacit pendant]

5 specs

[gusty rose]

trueee

surgin

[slender vapor]

Surge pot op

5 full specs

https://i.imgur.com/D2XoYjg.png

Like my god

[tacit pendant]

We need ancient godsword into venator bow two npcs into voidwaker > maul

[slender vapor]

Damn those are beefy stats

[gusty rose]

leave that shit in bh

[slender vapor]

Actually, staring at this

It looks like they just changed vls a little and gave us fang

[true talon]

Haha

Bent vls

[slender vapor]

I feel like jagex pulled a fast one on everyone

They snuck vls in anyways

[tacit pendant]

Fang was a fix for nex

[true talon]

WTF

[slender vapor]

That brings back 20 year old memories

I'm old now, thanks

[true talon]

ahh missngo

[plush gull]

someone correct me if i'm wrong but to adapt this method to demonbane+trident cast (doable with sub 50k gear & takes 10 ticks longer) it looks like you just go to 1 after and walk instead of run to 2 after attacking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_71HmJ8a1nw

[tacit pendant]

Please do the quest

[plush gull]

what quest

[tacit pendant]

Wgs

[ember token]

Imp Catcher

[plush gull]

i dont have reqs

[tacit pendant]

Get them

[plush gull]

how

[tacit pendant]

With your mouse and keyboard

[plush gull]

i cant use a mouse due to disability

[plush gull]

pretty confident that should work tho just requires dodging 1 fireball while maging

[frail bough]

try it and see!

[hasty shard]

i did wgs without a mouse

hope this helps

[plush gull]

ill try it in a few days, sold my mage gear and dont have arclight charges

[tacit wharf]

why does no1 redirect this to the general chat

[slender vapor]

#general

[neon gate]

20 decillion lesser demons for a single radiant contract

I wonder how much the delve boss orbs will cost

[cursive vector]

I have so far killed about ~1.6k black demons (all on-style) for 5 contracts

shits a scam

[true talon]

If they continue with this entry key crap. my motivation to play will hit rock bottom. maybe i will finally be free.

[neon gate]

7362964682 octillion imps for delve boss orb

[true talon]

If you need to sink GP, then put a GP cost on the entry payable with death's coffer.

Stop adding tradeable entry keys that drop from the content

or if you do then make them common

[icy relic]

funny how camping greaters is just better money

[small anvil]

Do we have an idea on contract drop rates yet

I know I saw some about 1/100 ish

But does it vary by demon type

[frail bough]

Guy in clan just started doing them and he's getting a contract once very like 15 minutes. Idk if mega lucky or what

[hard axle]

this is honestly criminal

[velvet orchid]

I was saying this earlier

[small anvil]

Which demon is the best for contracts anyone know?

I saw a clog that was a bit under 1/100 for black demons

[velvet orchid]

Issue is jagex is trying to take the gp from the high level giga rich players and redistribute it among the med level players which in theory is amazing the down side is it basically locks most people out from ever trying the content

[daring fulcrum]

Has there been any visibility on the compost bin issues that started this past week?

[vernal valve]

even this is kinda strange to me, because oathplate/horn contracts serve the reverse purpose

[small anvil]

Also like is killing demons really the content you wanna incentivise lower lvl players to do

[vernal valve]

of funneling a shit ton of money to the wealthiest/best players

since they're the only ones who can stomach the up-front cost of learning the content to profit from it

[small anvil]

Those contracts only drop from yama tho

[velvet orchid]

And a lot of the time stuff that is outside your comfort zone and doesn’t look fun ends up being really fun but if you never are going to try the content then it’s kinda dead

[velvet orchid]

Yeah it still has the same concept just more so for players who are capable of doing the boss but aren’t super rich

[hard axle]

i dont like gauranteed tradeable drops at all, it's so silly

[vernal valve]

yeah yama feels like dt2 2.0 in a lot of ways

they cooked up a million experimental new ideas and as a result a lot of them didn't get the scrutiny, time and space they needed to be fully refined

[small anvil]

Take the worst part of things

Mash em together

[hard axle]

i've said my piece about it so ill hope they listen

[vernal valve]

i mean it's pretty telling that there were 7 contracts planned 5 days before release, and by release day, there were 11 dropped into the game, lmao

not a surprise contract rates ended up fucked, they didn't even have a final tally of how many they were gonna add until very late

[velvet orchid]

I was kinda ight with it for the pet

But I agree on tradeable items is dumb it has way to many issues

[small anvil]

Yeah IDK how they got from one cosmetic contract to 5

And like didn't up the rate

Irons gonna be crying if they're dry on one of the5

[velvet orchid]

Basically guaranteeing to fuck over iron man compared to 1

[small anvil]

Instead on one item, 4 bosses

It's 5 items

That you need all of

[velvet orchid]

Just gotta pray it’s not the you have to kill a demon with a special attack weapon

[small anvil]

It's crazy how the system is just so much worse

[vernal valve]

i mean there was always plans for there to be multiple radiant oathplate contracts (or at least, it was there from the initial contracts blog like 5 days before release, at least)

[small anvil]

Than orbs

[velvet orchid]

When it was suppose to be better

It’s legit worse than orbs in every way

[vernal valve]

I do find the implementation beyond frustrating though yeah

[small anvil]

Goblin was saying 7 contracts

I believe

But like the drop rate is beyond ducked

[vernal valve]

The blog prior to release said 7 contracts, and also was very explicit that there would be multiple Radiant Oathplate contracts and those were the ones farmable in the Chasm.

[small anvil]

And the only reason I'm not plowing my entire bank into contracts is thinking there's a chance jagex realizes

[vernal valve]

It just didn't say how many unique Radiant Oathplate contracts there were, I doubt anyone expected 5, lmao

[small anvil]

Ya

The 7 vs 11 lines up with them collapsing the recolors into one bucket tho?

[vernal valve]

maybe? But like I said, it was always very explicit there was more than 1 radiant oathplate contract

[frail bough]

8:34am - Contract of divine severance
8:40am - Contract of divine severance
8:56am - Contract of bloodied blows
9:41am - Contract of sensory clouding
9:58am - Contract of sensory clouding
10:17am - Contract of divine severance
11:30am - Contract of divine severance
11:41am - Contract of bloodied blows
11:52am - Contract of divine severance
12:03am - Contract of sensory clouding
1:29pm - Contract of forfeit breath

5 divine severance
3 sensory clouding
2 bloodied blows
1 forfeit breath

in 4.5 hours

[small anvil]

Ya I remember that

[frail bough]

idk man, seems a bit better than orbs

[velvet orchid]

Maybe they will change it do be only 1 contact needed to for oath of the 5 not all 5

[small anvil]

Nah the text is very clearly you need all 5

The loot is a piece

For each contract iirc

[velvet orchid]

Also all 11 contacts being solo is dumb asf , can keep kit ones solo but others should not be

[small anvil]

So many issues with this system

[velvet orchid]

Yeah why I said “change”

[small anvil]

Oh didn't catch that

I doubt that tbh

They'll up the demon drop rate

Or maybe change dossier

Before they do that I think

5 fits the whole pentagram thing

[velvet orchid]

Goblin has hinted at it I think on Reddit

But rn if you green log the boss it works out to 3 of each contract on avg

That’s so troll for Ironman who don’t have alts

[small anvil]

Are people pre damaging demons

Can you do that for contract drops on iron

[slender vapor]

Better than DT2 at least, you have to greenlog 4 bosses to hit rate for the virtus set

[velvet orchid]

Lmao its not quite that bad but yeah it’s definitely not common. If I recall correctly Sae bae finished the rings and the SRA axe and was 0/3 but pet hunters tend to finish with several sets

I think it would be fair if it was more inline with completing the axe ( did not look at it much as I personally spooned the set )

[slender vapor]

For a 'stepping stone' upgrade, they sure made it the most frustrating thing to farm out other than nightmare

Just about everything with DT2's drops was an unmitigated disaster

[icy relic]

I was lucky enough to get full virtus with no dupes on my SRA grind

[small anvil]

I think visage is probably fine ish

Err vestige*

[slender vapor]

The hidden 3 rolls is sour

[small anvil]

I think it's hilarious that it's overall good dry mitigation

[icy relic]

I don't mind the hidden rolls

[small anvil]

But it can also have really awful

Double death

[icy relic]

it's spoon protection as well lol

[small anvil]

Bye bye 3 rolls

Yeah spoon and dry protection is ok imo

Though just making it like nox hally probably better

Only drop you can lose progress on getting via double death

[slender vapor]

Between 3 rolls, chromium ingots, virtus being giga fucking rare for basically no reason and awakeners orbs, they fucked up a lot in 1 update

I kinda don't mind SRA as much

Whisperer is just ass

[small anvil]

Sra is ok for keeping the value high

And being a mini quest

Also mitigates bots some

Cuz most get banned before finishing the axe

[icy relic]

I still think SRA could use another little buff

like more crush bonus or make stacks last a few seconds longer

you lose a stack in the time it takes to run to vardorvis after hitting the piggy

[vernal valve]

virtus rates are fine tbh, they just suck for ironmen bc of dupes

if they dropped like virtus fabric or smth that could be made into pieces and had rates adjusted accordingly they'd be no issue at all for ironmen

ingots were hilarious though, again, they just cooked way too many experimental things in 1 update and didn't fully think all of them through, lol

[icy relic]

at least they had the sense to just neuter ingots

honestly just make them consumable at this point to tell you how many vestige rolls you have

[small anvil]

Lol

[slender vapor]

Chromium ammo

[meager flame]

I mean virtus is an absolute joke lol

I have all the rings and the axe on my iron and 0 virtus

I have full ancestral instead

Funny thing is it was all for nothing the whole set is barely around 100m

[tacit pendant]

Do NOT give that dragon arrow guy any ideas

[true talon]

Ya but the cost is so high that even the giga rich are not gonna interact with it lol

[meager flame]

I dont even know why jagex is so stuck on that idea

It's not like you can't make gp anymore or something lol there are a million ways to make tons of gp

[true talon]

I have no ancestral and love my virtus, dont disrespect my budget cox skip.

[meager flame]

Idk why they want to ruin content to increase the gp/hr by 10%

[slender vapor]

Muh economy

Too fragile

[meager flame]

The craziest part about it is that the economy is already a joke

[tacit pendant]

The economy in this game more stable than most mmos tbf

[slender vapor]

This economy functions off vibes

[tacit pendant]

Very much

[meager flame]

If you simply play this game and do content you will make enough money to buy the things you want

Like lol

[slender vapor]

Loud and clear, on my way to trouble brewing

[meager flame]

It would be different if it was actually impossible but

[true talon]

it functions off bots.

Moment bots get nuked from a piece of content, the drops from it sky rocket.

[meager flame]

It feels more like how in wow super casual world questers want mythic raid item level gear but don't go get it

[true talon]

IE zulrah, vorkath, blood shards

sunfire splinters

[meager flame]

Then act like they can't progress

So I imagine someone out there wants a scythe but doesn't do content that would let you buy one or get the drop

[true talon]

And jagex does a great job controling bots

[meager flame]

Then complain they can't make gp

[true talon]

better than they used to

[meager flame]

This is why playing an iron is the superior game mode tho for a lot of people

Simply go get the drop gameplay lol no contemplating how many hours of whatever content to buy loot

[slender vapor]

"If I grind vorkath for 40 hours...or work 2 and buy bonds...."

[tacit pendant]

Offical sd/hd updates > api and plugin support > chop runelite > bots are killed

This is what i think the timeline looks like

[vivid ruin]

Thats the logic i hear everytime i see someone say they need a bond lol

[analog crow]

what kind of vork kills are you getting if getting 2 bonds worth takes 40 hours

[frail bough]

work 2 hours instead of kill vorkath for 40

but im sure it was just hyperbole

[analog crow]

ofc

[slender vapor]

Just hyperbole yeah

It becomes super easy to rationalize skipping wage slave grinding with buying bonds

Thats why I went iron

My normie hasn't pvm'd a fraction that my iron has

[meager flame]

bots are back within weeks

You forgot the last part :p

Tldr the only reason they fork runelite is because it's convenient to decompile with no effort

[ember token]

yeah lets not pretend that it will destroy botting forever but let's also not pretend like it'll have no impact

[small anvil]

I never did micro transactions in games

[meager flame]

Before runelite existed though they did it themselves

[analog crow]

yeah ig but at least for me that would take away all sense of accomplisment and I'd probably quit within a week

[meager flame]

And will again i mean they're a business

Theyre not gonna go out like that basically

[crisp gull]

Don't think they'd chop RL tbh. At least not anytime soon. Would be wayyy too controversial

[ember token]

they won't do it until the official client is in a good place

[slender vapor]

It did. That's why I quit my normie

[frail bough]

can't wait for next batch of client updates

[meager flame]

Tbh idk if jagex is even ready for bots to be gone

If they actually succeeded they will have to update the game to work for mains lol

[analog crow]

1m banned bots fo far this year btw

[small anvil]

Bots are back in force RN it feels

[tacit pendant]

I can see within 3 years requiring the official client and whatever added anti-cheat. I dont want runelite banned

[small anvil]

Zulrah scales straight down

Aldarium straight down

[tacit pendant]

Blood shards 10m

[analog crow]

mains would have to play the game

[small anvil]

Wonder how long until we see demon bots for contracts

[true talon]

Bots exist on offical clients in many games. this is not a solvable problem by just axing runelite lol

[small anvil]

The tiniest of requirements

[analog crow]

I bet they already exist

[small anvil]

They haven't scaled up yet

[true talon]

There are a lot of mobile bots already

[small anvil]

If they do

[true talon]

which is a offical jagex client basically

[meager flame]

It's just an arms race with no end

[tacit pendant]

Its not solveable but pretending like an official client with proper anti-cheat doesnt severly hamper the more complicated bots is not genuine

[meager flame]

You have games that are basically Spyware with kernel level anticheat and people still aim bot in those games

[frail bough]

I mean the biggest reason for official client, IMO, is to have a reasonable option instead of basically relying entirely on 3rd party

[tacit pendant]

And yeah runelite could go down/quit at any moment

[frail bough]

Pre official client releases, id be terrified as jagex

[small anvil]

Official client absolutely won't fix bots

People thinking it will are living off cope

[tacit pendant]

Not that he will, but adam could hypothetically just call it quits one day and hes earned it

[frail bough]

mhmm

[meager flame]

You can't really stop it with software

Well okay

You could but

[true talon]

nope, jagex basicall owns runelite

[meager flame]

Nobody would like it

[ember token]

no one really thinks that killing runelite would fix botting, but it has made botting more accessible than ever

[meager flame]

Because it would take the one method of attack the botters cannot defend against

[true talon]

id say its more advanced scripts and technology, than runelite itself.

[meager flame]

Which is destroying the motivation to buy gold to begin with in some way

Like disabling free trade

Thats how you actually own them

[small anvil]

Wow what a great idea let's do that instead

[frail bough]

Hm that's assuming that people only bot to make money

[meager flame]

But players will get caught in the crossfire

[true talon]

Ironman woulda saved old runescape before eoc killed it.

removal of trade was bad, but mainly because there wasnt systems in place or really anyone out exploring the game outside of pking lol

[meager flame]

I think a combination of being present and lacking free trade would end botting as we know it

The other botting problem we had was a result of jagex being absent to the point that regular players

Were botting to level up and it was common knowledge lol

Because jagex was getting killed by osbuddy before they were osbuddy

Lmao it's actually crazy how osbuddy was a full on botting operation that sold people clients before osrs existed

And we somehow accepted them as a regular client after that for osrs

[icy relic]

I remember the day free trade came back, GE was instantly flooded with gambling bots and scammers

[tardy flicker]

Can we get WASD working for those who are playing the vanilla client?

[slender linden]

oh man flashbacks to trade limit, what was it, 5k or 50k max difference? it was wild lol. adding random junk to beef up prices

[icy relic]

those addy arrows p++ from zammy

and mint cakes

[slender linden]

hell yea hahah

[icy relic]

it was so nice not having to worry about getting scammed

or having "friends" droptrade your bank

[slender linden]

with the trade limit changes, didnt we get the weird activity/bounty changes to pking where you would get random stuff

and then that ended up getting botted/abused

[icy relic]

yeah 76king was jank as hell

[slender linden]

76king oh yeaaa lmao

i hated it so much

i remember getting 5-10m drops from low risks, and from actual risk fights getting like 200k drops. it suckeeed

there was also like a chance to get a piece of gear people were risking but no idea what the odds were

[icy relic]

revs roaming around the wildy

ice barraging you from offscreen

[slender linden]

only part i liked about revs ngl. wildy felt scary

[icy relic]

there were a lot of jank things back then that were really fun

[slender linden]

lending system that was totally broken

[icy relic]

lending phats lol

[slender linden]

Squeel of fortune is also a core memory of me. ill never forget that day how my bank basically got disintegrated in value. hate it still

a divine shield went from 750m to 300m in matter of minutes since now there were "lucky divine spirit shield" im still traumatized at the losses i took 😂

anyways back to topic; do we know anything about update tomorrow? i got 2 dossiers but im holding on opening idk if thats wise 😛

[ember token]

cant hurt to hold them but probably wont matter

[chrome lantern]

Only way it would hurt to hold is if the contracts mega crash in price tomorrow

Do with that what you will

[sacred oracle]

i mean, opening dossiers won't do anything unless they change drop rate

as in, change the mix of stuff you get from it

there's been no talk about doing that

if you open it now, won't matter

if they make dossiers more rare, but don't change the actual ratio of stuff in it, doesn't matter if you open it now or later

[tacit pendant]

Hopes are horn claw bs removed, surge pots turned off in pvp, armor drop rate nerfed.

[meager flame]

i mean they can do a couple of things

and if they're remotely sane something like this will happen

they will either buff the drop rate on the dossier by an absolute shit ton

or they'll change the amount of stuff inside of it

they might come up with some additional method to accomplish the same goal but basically they're going to have to buff the rate contracts are coming into the game

by a lot

otherwise you're going to actually get a bunch of end game players slaying black demons for days/weeks lol and the backlash that will come with it

maybe contracts could also have multiple uses

like you get one and its 5 attempts at the boss etc

[chrome lantern]

Surely they remove teles from dossiers

[sacred oracle]

i doubt that very much

they're a scroll

it's just a junk drop to balance the other drops

if anything, the contracts are too common rn

[chrome lantern]

Maybe that would make sense if the drop rates on contracts weren’t tremendously awful

[sacred oracle]

you can get them basically just mostly afking mobs in addition to the boss

[chrome lantern]

What about the boss, which is what we’re talking about here

[sacred oracle]

so yeah, contracts are common enough i should say

[chrome lantern]

Contract rates should never be balanced on assuming you’re going to kill tens of thousands of demons

It’s just an awful premise whether you’re a main or an iron

And if the argument becomes, “go kill demons in the chasm for money,” I don’t think that’s a good outcome either

[sacred oracle]

it's already something like 2k solo kills to finish armor on rate, so from that point of view i don't really think it needs to be more rare, but the price doesn't seem to be holding up very well in just a week, so maybe it does not help

[sacred oracle]

it should be balanced around "how do you get them"

and "how plentiful are they"

they seem reasonably plentiful right now

i don't really see a problem

what is the problem?

[tacit pendant]

Where td are you getting 2k lol

[chrome lantern]

1/40 for a contract from the boss is insane

[tacit pendant]

3 1/600s does not equal 1/2000

[chrome lantern]

They proposed them as being more common than orbs

[tacit pendant]

Not even considering shards

[chrome lantern]

I’d have to math it rq but definitely less than 1k yeah

[sacred oracle]

i wasn't trying to be precise, and i wasn't thinking about shards

[tacit pendant]

Its less than 1k to finish, without shards

[sacred oracle]

i don't really know what the shards do, haven't paid much attention to em

oh that's cool

what would you prefer to be the expected kc to completion instead?

[chrome lantern]

I think kc to green log is fine as is tbh

Like not more common for sure

[sacred oracle]

i don't see why that's a problem

[chrome lantern]

I’d understand rarer armor

[sacred oracle]

is this from an iron perspective? i don't see why contracts need to be more common from the boss

[tacit pendant]

Probably closer to 1200-1500 with shards to be in line with something like ultor

[sacred oracle]

what does it hurt them being more rare

[meager flame]

yeah 1 in 2k is absolutely insane

you could craft 3 items with shards before 2k solos

sorry completion in 2k*

lmao

[sacred oracle]

1 in 2k for what?

[tacit pendant]

The armor is significantly cheaper than masori at 1 week out.

[wispy current]

Its the same concept as awakeners orb being too rare which makes them expensive=not accessible

[meager flame]

thats because of shards just about 100%

[sacred oracle]

well, one was a raid, and this is a boss you can duo in less than 3 minutes

[meager flame]

its like if you could trade your dt2 ring rolls

legit crowd sourced luck protection

[sacred oracle]

oh, i see

i don't mind a cosmetic being expensive tho

[meager flame]

dudes took a good idea and turned it into an awful idea lol

because like

[sacred oracle]

the shards were a weird move

[meager flame]

guy kills yama 700 times and crafts an armor piece? sure he was dedicated

[tacit pendant]

They are equally accessible and can be solod

[sacred oracle]

i get the logic behind them, but i don't see why this level of dry protection was needed

[meager flame]

700 guys kill yama one time and craft two armor pieces?

probably not

[sacred oracle]

you can't do toa in 3 minutes

or at least i can't

[chrome lantern]

From the very baseline, challenging content shouldn’t be gatekept by a consumable to begin with. You don’t pay an invoc token from a 300 to try a 500 ToA. You shouldn’t need to use a consumable to challenge yourself and do difficult content. Entering argument.

Secondly, yes, I am an iron, and they somehow made a system that is worse than awakener’s orbs while claiming a stated intent directly to the contrary.

Third, the primary means of getting them should be from the boss itself, or at the very least, making them more common from the boss wouldn’t make a significant impact if they’re already way more accessible from demons

[tacit pendant]

And as a result masori is not 1/600 raids bro???

[sacred oracle]

there's no need to get excited

[chrome lantern]

In 500s it’s like a 1/90 chance for each individual masori piece

[meager flame]

tbh i think their entire premise behind trying to gatekeep attempting challenging content is actually some of the most annoying game design i've ever seen the actual osrs dev team create

[sacred oracle]

i don't really mind it

maybe i would if it weren't a cosmetic

[tacit pendant]

Masori plummets harder than oathplate over a long time because there is no 1 bil drop keeping people at yama. But id like oathplate to atleast maintain 50/100/100m price

[chrome lantern]

Have you done blorva? Just curious

[sacred oracle]

but it's just a cosmetic, and i don't mind that it becomes a way for people who aren't interested in the cosmetic being able to sell items at good prices to people who do want the cosmetic

[chrome lantern]

I haven’t talked to a single person who’s done blorva that would say we should ever do anything remotely adjacent to orbs ever again

[meager flame]

the whole idea is just not fun bottom line

people really like the inferno its challenging, free to attempt with very low requirements and offers basically no gp reward

[chrome lantern]

Even if it doesn’t take you hundreds of orbs, it doesn’t make the content any better - it pretty much does the opposite

[meager flame]

people love it though and keep going and trying to get better

[tacit pendant]

I mean, the mains in my circle with blorva are fine with orbs, irons fucking hate it

[meager flame]

thats what challenging content should be

[chrome lantern]

Actively discourages people from doing it and trying hard content

Actively makes you pay a price to try something new

[chrome lantern]

“Are fine with” or “think they’re good?” big difference

[sacred oracle]

yeah, i don't know any main with blorva who cares about orbs at all

that's just anecdotal

[meager flame]

like as the game designer they should be extremely aware of what people actually have fun doing

[sacred oracle]

it doesn't really matter how the people i know feel at all

[wispy current]

Was the idea behind orbs to transfer wealth from ppl attempting blorva to other people to drive the gp/h up of the dt2 bosses because it didnt work with dt2

[meager flame]

things like the inferno put things like blorva on blast

[tacit pendant]

I mean its fun to shoot the shit and compare how much spent per boss on orbs.

[analog crow]

I dunno where the 2k number came from, I tried mathing it out quickly and got a median of about 950kc to complete a set

[tacit pendant]

But ofc human nature is that lose money bad

[meager flame]

we didnt even need to make any gp/hr to find the inferno compelling its just one cape upgrade and people keep going back even after getting it

thats what fun looks like

[sacred oracle]

people also really like colosseum, which does have a gp reward, and a financial punishment if you die

they are very different things, both popular

[chrome lantern]

A big part of this is because the price actively deters people from ever trying it unless they have so much surplus wealth they don’t care about the cost much if at all. Which is very bad design.

[tacit pendant]

I want more one and dones, however most people do their cape and maybe send a very rare task if that

[sacred oracle]

i don't know a single person who's at the point of the game where he feels he can do blorva who didn't do it because of the cost

you just grind the gp, same as anything else

like, not a single person

[tacit pendant]

Blorva is 1000% fuck you money goal

[meager flame]

you're about to see thousands of them

[chrome lantern]

This shouldn’t be an “at that point later I’ll try it” thing

[sacred oracle]

why shouldn't it be?

[meager flame]

odablock would pause at buying the contracts for completing the oathplate tmog atm

[chrome lantern]

It should be, “I think I can be good enough to challenge myself at this hard content and get a reward”

[tacit pendant]

I am putting it off cuz cost. I would be im rags with my mega rares if i potted today

[sacred oracle]

isn't inferno the same? you're not doing inferno if you've only got a master wand and a rune crossbow, most of the time

you wait until you feel you've progressed to a certain point

i don't see a problem with that

i don't know anyone going for blorva who isn't at the point of raiding, and i think that's fine

[chrome lantern]

I know plenty of people who do though in budget gear, specifically because it’s a very low cost

[sacred oracle]

if it's gatekeeping, that is to say, it's a type i'm okay with

[meager flame]

thats not really the same thing

[tacit pendant]

Im ok with SOME flex items that are hey i have fuck you money and im goated with the gamer skills. We dont need more than blorva tho

[chrome lantern]

Raiding is a very low threshold.

[meager flame]

you dont get the gear and the skills to be confident in attempting the inferno then say wait no

this costs too much per attempt

better make more money first

which is what happens with blorva

[chrome lantern]

If blorva didn’t have a fee associated with it, would more people challenge themselves to do it

Yes or no

If yes, that’s inherently bad design to gatekeep an interesting and challenging content

[meager flame]

yeah people would obv

[sacred oracle]

the premise does not guarantee the conclusion

i don't think this is a good argument

[meager flame]

i mean its just a fact people would try

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see how there are any good arguments in favor of orbs/contracts by the same token

[sacred oracle]

if your argument follows, that means anything at all that discourages someone from doing content is bad

which cannot be true

[chrome lantern]

Big difference between “this entry consumable isn’t the worst thing in existence” and “this is a positive feature”

[sacred oracle]

there may be an argument that justifies your position, but this isn't one

[tacit pendant]

Its personal prefence. Design wise an mmo is an ok place to create a comestic item that is both a money/time sink and requires high skill.

[sacred oracle]

yeah, for me the cost of blorva is fine, perhaps other people feel it is too much

i do not know any of them myself, but i don't know every body

the only people i see consistently complaining about blorva are irons

[chrome lantern]

I think the cosmetic is kinda immaterial to the fact that content exists which people are directly discouraged from attempting and doing

[sacred oracle]

i don't happen to generally share iron concerns

[meager flame]

i mean that does put on blast how the content actually works

if a player has to go interact with each step directly and comes back and most of them are like

yo this is ass

that kinda tells you something

[analog crow]

this assuming solos, i.e. 1/600 droprate. For FFA duos, assuming equal contribution we're looking at closer to 1900 kc. Maybe that's where the 2k kc came from

[sacred oracle]

irons complain about a lot of things that simply being able to use the ge avoids, so a lot of their concerns do not resonate with me

ymmv

[chrome lantern]

Hey my guess of under 1k was good

[meager flame]

maybe but

[chrome lantern]

I think a lot of irons have bad complaints too tbh and I usually vote no to iron catering but I think there’s a substantial difference between that and actively gatekeeping content for precisely no positive benefit to the game at large

[meager flame]

at 2k kc in duos you would likely be very close to crafting 2 oathplate items

[analog crow]

Probably

[tacit pendant]

Blorva is fine. Nobody wants to grind the "content" of awakened vard kcs and it wasnt made to be. I get your point that maybe u just wanna pot for fun, but many games dont let you repeat bosses at all lol

[meager flame]

so like

[analog crow]

The dry protention system here is pretty nice imo

[sacred oracle]

The benefit—which you may not think of as one—is to make it more prestigious

[meager flame]

odds are people are going to pull 2 different oathplate items a long time before that

and a horn

and craft that last item

[chrome lantern]

I would say that an artificial cost is the worst way to make something more prestigious

Just make it harder instead

[meager flame]

like im actually dry as shit at yama lol and i have oathplate legs anyways

about to hit 700kc

i'll be done a long time before 2k

[sacred oracle]

When I see someone holding a 3a pick, I know he either got a massively lucky drop or had 14b (or whatever it is at the moment) to spend on a cosmetic that he's just casually holding

Now that might not mean anything to some people

But it's definitely the reason that people stand around with 3a picks

It's because, one way or another, it's hard to get

It's "gatekept"

[chrome lantern]

I would say that person is either vain or very lucky and got a cool item. I don’t really care at all if a main buys one

[meager flame]

i kinda think the game progressed past caring about that

[sacred oracle]

I suppose it's up to everyone individually to decide what he thinks is good gatekeeping and what's bad gatekeeping

[meager flame]

we have skill based achievements to show off

they're just flexing how much time they wasted by showing gp

[sacred oracle]

Sure, you can look at it that way

I don't think most people do

But maybe they do!

I personally think it's cool to have hard-to-get things, and a 3a pick is certainly hard to get

[meager flame]

it was different when your time sink was sort of the only thing to show off

[sacred oracle]

Blorva is also hard to get, and so will the radiant oathplate armor, it seems like

[meager flame]

but now its like

lol idk you're just worried about their mental health more so than being impressed by their expensive item

[sacred oracle]

I don't worry about people's mental health based on their accomplishments in the game

[meager flame]

i think theres some context to it too like

i have a lot of gp and i know how much i've played this game

so when i see people that actually have like crazy sums like 30b+

i have to be a little worried lol

[analog crow]

I agree that the game has moved past being impressed by 3a or other cosmetics you see in the wild
I can't see it anyway with my entity hider on

[meager flame]

its like when you max maybe more than once and really know what you're looking at when someone has 200m all

lmao its pretty scary

[analog crow]

They are like the moms who got to the final level of candy crush

[chrome lantern]

I suppose my summarized argument is that if Jagex intends to put time into making meaningful, engaging challenges, they should be “gatekept” by skill and difficulty, not accessibility, price, killing tens of thousands of demons on irons, etc.

[meager flame]

yeah you dont even really have to think about it too hard like

just imagine you're a player good enough to want to go for the radiant oathplate

you log in

spend hundreds of mil on the spot to be allowed to try or afk demons?? for days

it just sounds insane

[chrome lantern]

A fang kit wouldn’t be any cooler if you had to pay 10m to attempt it

[meager flame]

like the whole point is doing the challenging content and overcoming it

and jagex is trying to move the goalposts to simply trying to begin with

[analog crow]

Once you have Yama kc (maybe solo?) you should be allowed to challenge him for harder challenges I agree
The contracts system is cool in concept but the reality of playing the game is different innit

[meager flame]

like nobody wants to say i wish i could try the boss but i need gp or hold on let me slay 20k black demons first

[analog crow]

At least maybe soloing yama should give you a huge buff to contract droprate

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1370533121220411412

[meager flame]

the problem with most of the suggestions

is that jagex tied the contracts to guaranteed rewards

they should just bin that whole idea

right now lol

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

At most make a specific contact like “Taking pages” at titans where you can target more of a specific loot item

[meager flame]

like for real just turn every contract into its gp value or something and just

come back with a better take on the system

before its actually too late

[chrome lantern]

Slightly better unique odds etc

[chrome lantern]

Work day is over, probably already too late

[meager flame]

i just dont want to see them kinda go down with the ship trying to modify the contracts

[chrome lantern]

Jagex has picked a lot of interesting hills to die on more lately

[tacit pendant]

I will say i reaaaaaally dont think awakened bosses cut much into dev time. If awakened came out with orbs from some entirely different thing at same rate we could have a conversation

Atleast the shitshow tommorow should be a good time!

[meager flame]

tbh

im a little surprised jagex just didn't reuse awakeners orbs directly and just start calling of of this type of content awakened difficulty

they could've added extra sources for the orbs and everything and maybe fixed up how it works for dt2 bosses a bit

[austere mulch]

Make contracts like defenders where you get the easiest contract, complete it and then get permanent access to it, and then from there you can get a drop for the next challenge contract

And have the drop table have increased weightings based on the contract fight

Ezpz

[meager flame]

is it bad that part of me hopes they change absolutely nothing

just so i can see the results

[austere mulch]

Necessary evil

[green pewter]

Not sure everyone has seen this so Im posting it

[austere mulch]

Eg. Tier 1-4 contracts make the fight harder and make uniques increasingly more common (slightly) tier 5-9 contracts for the pieces to the cosmetic, t10 contract for increased pet rate

[austere mulch]

This is a small win at least

[analog crow]

Interesting
Unless the fight is seriously hard this might flood the market with oathplate armors

[green pewter]

Im assuming the oathplate armour one is not repeatable

[austere mulch]

Yeah I’d bet the untradeable reward ones are repeatable

Not including pet? Or maybe

[torpid delta]

can't imagine it's more than like, worms / catalysts / cosmetic kit ones

maybe pet but that's entirely up in the air as to what number they pick for the increased rate

[austere mulch]

Yeah, would give irons a way to target farm the runes and worms which I’m sure is a goal of theirs

Non-RNG target farm

[analog crow]

makes sense

[austere mulch]

Slippery slope tho bc then you can just pump total volume of those in game pretty rapidly

[icy relic]

the oathplate contract is 1/2900 that you can die on while just getting as a drop outright is 1/200

the contracts are going to be a tiny portion of the oathplate pieces entering the game

[wispy current]

Ok but the average person will just sell it and a few really good gamers will just unlock infinite money glitch

[analog crow]

Infinite money glitch already exists, it’s called high invo toa

[wispy current]

Yeah and now we have 9m fangs lmao

[analog crow]

Best purchase of my osrs career

[obsidian venture]

Called pvm*

[analog crow]

Real

Doesn’t even have to be hard, vork and moons both print money

[tacit pendant]

Tormented demons have entered the chat

[true talon]

Still bad, should be reverse.

should be 1 time use on complete. not gate keep from attempting

Absolute clowns if they think otherwise

[green pewter]

Dont shoot the messenger I dont care what you think Im just sharing info

[true talon]

We already know the worms and the aether runes will be repeatable XD

and thats it

[true talon]

there is no untradeable rewards in these contracts. its a pet increase and the armor trimming. rest are all tradeable rewards.

[true talon]

Not if its insanely difficult and currently the farming contracts and learning them is not exactually good.

[true talon]

Do i need to introduce you to the most profitable inf money glitch in the game? selling services to bad players.

Because jagex hasnt put their foot down on it. but slowly have stopped some like mega scaling.

[formal sentinel]

Was there a stealth update to Yama? teleport scrolls are dropping out of dossier and are tradeable

[true talon]

This was already how it worked.

[formal sentinel]

I must have had a fever dream then

Oh, it's both in or out of dossier

[hard axle]

A lot of Irons

[true talon]

More normies buy group CA's and pet boosts than irons.

[austere mulch]

Cosmetic pieces are untradeable

5 pieces to make the item that changes your oathplate

[true talon]

Ya but why would you care about spam doing cosmetic contracts to get one each entry as a reward lol

It being repeatable seems shit

[austere mulch]

Because you may think the fight is fun and want to optimize it

That’s literally what ppl have been asking for

With orbs

If you could perma farm awakened with no cost, it wouldn’t be worth it

[true talon]

I guess, im on the side of gate keep from even attempting is bad

[austere mulch]

But ppl still want the option to after completing it

I think this orb style gatekeeping is very… less than ideal

The word that comes to mind would be flagged

[true talon]

I liked rat idea that you consume it on completion over per attempt

[austere mulch]

🥶

[true talon]

it does punish those at the high end though

[hard axle]

Uhhh, how do I say this

Almost 50% of services, legal or otherwise, are irons

[true talon]

Id like to see those stats be proven

[hard axle]

Deleting cuz mods will have an aneurysm

but I’ll dm you

[true talon]

its fine

i dont need to go on those discords lol

[chrome lantern]

Surely it would be way more likely for kit contracts to be consumed and not refunded given the natural outcome would just be reselling

Actually nvm I see the logic

And if you can 1nd it I guess you deserve to keep the money idk

[hard axle]

They confirmed no 😦

yesterday

It’ll be like orbs it sounds like

[true talon]

Yep another system i wont interact with

[hard axle]

if orbs were 5-8x pet rate, there would be a lot of better players hunting pet via awakened bosses because 3-4x hp is offset by it

[true talon]

"its not awakener orbs!!!!!!!!!"
"its worst!"

I am insanely impressed they managed to take a system like orbs and make them worst. truely revolutionary.

[hard axle]

I’ll hold on hope they change their mind

Because they did listen last Friday

I’ll complain with you on this Friday if not

[wispy current]

they've tweeted 3 times about some plushie merch depsite all the negative feedback i'm sure it's all under control

[hard axle]

I complain a lot initially and then I go into copium mode

[meager flame]

i mean okay to be realistic

they're probably just doing the

"let people try it and then see" type of approach

[wispy current]

it only took them like 6 years to fix blowpipe

[meager flame]

if i were actually trying to see the future

i'd assume it will never be fixed it wont ever actually be that great they will make some adjustments to make it better than it is when it releases