game-update

[meager flame]

lol'

they had this big thing about "well if players decide its not worth it and this sucks and blah blah then we'll change it"

and im just sitting there like

hello that already happened are you in a time loop that skipped awakeners orbs?

but hey i mean

maybe next week when we get their actual take on contract rates and im not at almost 400 kc with 3 radiant contracts one of which is a dupe of another

it will look like mod satan didn't design it

if they were 1 time use and unlocked the fight forever

this would make sense

[rain fulcrum]

I kinda feel this cuz when I started it I didn't know he just uses the same prayer Everytime

And that you can just afk mage it

[hard axle]

the only way its balanced is if no one is happy

[rain fulcrum]

Imo the way to balance it is to make contracts not consume on failure

At least if you want them to be rare

[hasty shard]

guaranteed oathplate every kill yepge

what a wonderful idea jagex made over just letting people do difficult things for fun

unironically the only thing that incentivises duoing right now

out of all things why is this the one duo thing they managed to get down

imo they should/ve lean into that more and just skyrocket the glyph damage

so duo, you have a teammate actually like do something and coordinate to lure away yama, and solo gets fucked more because it should be a duo boss

[meager flame]

yeah except that yama gets +80 magic def the second your boy is the tank instead of you and he's getting punished for like

existing

lmao idk

[tacit pendant]

Just have contracts perma unlock a practice fight with no drops

[tacit pendant]

Theres a little tech if running melee + mage where u guarantee p2 and p3 melee tank

If dps is good he usually doesnt have time to get tired of the tank and switch.... usually

[meager flame]

oh yeah like

you can just duo mage and skip that every time unless the dps is tragic

[hasty shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1kpiehk/avoiding_all_damage_from_yamas_meteor_and_glyphs/ oh lol

there you go zero damage

also just a note you can guarantee aggro p2/p3 by having mager step back on rocks before transition back

[meager flame]

lmao

well looks like that one is getting added

[hasty shard]

i guess you can technically like

zgs him far from the sigil to avoid the chip too

like thats a thing you can do

no statement on it being good

[tacit pendant]

Gonna start horn zgsing nex to troll the ffa chat

[meager flame]

they've probably seen it before

i've had a 416 guy ice barraging verzik in max

[hasty shard]

blue moon spec mutta in ffa cms

[tacit pendant]

Ny ironic trolling will never beat unironic 416 strats

[hasty shard]

or pot a 'brb gotta feed pet rock' and tele

[meager flame]

honestly it was so diabolical i laughed

[plush gull]

how do u dodge waves while being forced to walk like in the comments tho?

o nvm he dodged the 2nd wave in the clip im asking about

guess thats damageless yama solved then

[hard axle]

dude, idk how the fuck they're going to balance this lol

this is another problem

it should never be gauranteed anything

gauranteed is nearly always a problem

that stems from rates being too high anyway

ie. voidwaker gauranteed spec

sleepy tablet

etc.

[wispy current]

Wym man dont you want full oathplate for 150m??

[hard axle]

Never

I’m one of 20 or so people in this entire discord that actually cares about longevity of the game and too common powerful drops are bad for MMOs

[wispy current]

If only jagex felt this way

[hard axle]

Inq should be stronger accuracy wise and have a set effect

[tough nacelle]

Wait wtf

There's a contract that's guaranteed

Oathplate...

[hard axle]

yes lol

It’s worth 70m atm

[tough nacelle]

What the heck are they even thinking

[hard axle]

And is one factor why oathplate is so low

[tough nacelle]

That's unbelievably stupid

The issue with awakener orbs is too rare and not worth it for drops

Lower death fees, make them more common, and increase change of rewards

Boom awakener orb solved

I get they need money to go from rich players to poorer players

But this isn't it

The game is MOSTLY skill gated over gear

Outside specific content

Oath breaker about to be 10m

And bandos 2m

[mild saddle]

yeah it's irredeemable idk man

it's really nonsense to put uniques behind contracts

people don't like this type of content because it's expensive and rare to try, so we made it 100x as expensive and rare

i really am not sure what "lessons" were learned about awakener orbs

[meager flame]

the lesson was that they can just ignore people long enough to stop thinking about it

hopefully this time wakes them up though

granted they have whatever their actual intended rates are when they implement it next week

so maybe it will feel better

but right now it makes no sense at all

[plush gull]

anyone with critical thinking capabilities could see that it was a lie that jagex learned from awakeners orbs the moment they said it.

why? because if jagex had learned from awakeners orbs, they would have fixed awakeners orbs already. they objectively have not learned from them, and this will be true until I can 1 HP DH awakened vardorvis for fun.

[true talon]

Ahh yes we learned from awakener orbs.....

Also why does lockbox have 2 dragon dart rolls???

[lament peak]

at least they're not dragon bolts

[true talon]

it has those too

but no d arrows

[hard axle]

ym

[rain fulcrum]

I don't get why the lockbox thing is even a thing

I hate those

It just opens up trust issues if ur running with randoms

[chrome lantern]

I didn’t even consider that

It really doesn’t need to be a thing though

Like Jagex has this weird fixation on creating “drop tables” and “subtables” as mechanics that serve functionally no purpose as every drop still has its own effective drop rate on every kc

[vocal harness]

I wish Yama drops appeared under Yama tbh

[vocal harness]

I assume it's a dopamine gimmick. Ooh I got something - nevermind

[true talon]

Finally got the hang of solo lol

[hard axle]

spread it out in front of the throne would be hilarious

"pick this up peasant" vibes

[vocal harness]

Lol

Pizza party

[vivid ruin]

V nice dude

[spare rose]

Does anyone know if they are still doing the unlock system originally proposed for stackable clues when it comes to the game? like you need 100 hards + mimic or whatever to unlock all 5 slots?

[green pewter]

Yes they are

[spare rose]

perfect

[rain fulcrum]

I guess I realized it doesn't really if you just use party hub

Unless someone is fancy enough to run a custom runelite just for the off chance they get an oathplate from a split box

[vocal harness]

they should release divine surge potions so that spec attack energy stays at 25% for 5 minutes

[tacit wharf]

that'd be insanely busted in pvp

[mild saddle]

i like that they're a way to buff duos

[rain fulcrum]

how do they buff duos?

[mild saddle]

cuz their rate is static duo or solo, it buffs duos a decet amount and makes them comfortably better

[rain fulcrum]

oh

sure, but you could do that without the indirection thru the box

[mild saddle]

yeah there's other ways

but this one does work

[rain fulcrum]

i think duo is pretty indiscriminately better anyway

esp if you want the DC upgrade

[mild saddle]

the splitting thing is annoying sure

[rain fulcrum]

its not rly that relevant anyway

as the chances of a big drop from a forgotten box r so low

altogether

[mild saddle]

yeah

[rain fulcrum]

you could just say those r ffa

i just tihnk its silly

[mild saddle]

they're mostly juiced for shards

which should've been untradeable.........

[rain fulcrum]

yea, and ur not gonna split shards anyway

yea

[mild saddle]

i hope they just revert that tomorrow

oath going to zero right now

[rain fulcrum]

i really think

jagex just needs to lay off the dry protection for a bit

or use it for things like pets

[mild saddle]

i mean it's fine here

if it wasn't tradeable

getting ~60m or something for doing 1.2k kc or however it works out is totally fine

i guess it's a nothing drop for a lot of mains

[rain fulcrum]

people would bitch about it not being tradable idk

it seems like u cannot satisfy ppl

[mild saddle]

vestiges worked tbf

[rain fulcrum]

they did, its the best implementation of dry protection in the game

but people bitch endlessly about how bad they r

[mild saddle]

feel comfortable dismissing those people myself

but ye

[winged mantle]

They're only bad because they are hidden rolls

[rain fulcrum]

no, thats the reason they are GOOD

[mild saddle]

nah known rolls are trash

[winged mantle]

Wait why did that tag

[rain fulcrum]

it does not matter that you dont know

you can still calculate your own effective drop rate

[winged mantle]

But you won't know

[rain fulcrum]

you dont need to

[mild saddle]

known rolls are very boring

[winged mantle]

It's motivating know you're 2/3 and you don't expect a drop anytime soon if you are 0/3

[rain fulcrum]

you can model the entire probability distribution to make the 2/3 an implemementation detail

well, good thing you dont know

you could be 2/3 or you could not

[winged mantle]

Being gaslit the whole time hoping you're 2/3

[rain fulcrum]

at any point, you could get a drop

but if you KNEW you were 0/3 you know you cant get a drop

[mild saddle]

you're not, you're 0/3

and be surprised if you get the drop

crazy you went b3b to finish

knowing is a net negative for sure

[winged mantle]

Agree to disagree

[rain fulcrum]

if you care so much about knowing

just compute the chance that you are 2/3

thats good enough

[winged mantle]

Lots of people that I've had convos with in vc during their grinds did not enjoy the mechanic

[rain fulcrum]

yeah, thats why dry protection doe snot work

you give the people what they want

and they still complain about it

[winged mantle]

Can't please everyone

[true talon]

Just give us the fucking old drop mechanics, we kill boss we get loot. add in dupe protection if you feel it needs it.

[winged mantle]

In terms of the Vestiges I would have personally preferred 1/3 ring drops that you combine with the dks rings. No ingots at all

[true talon]

PM is good example

[rain fulcrum]

yeah drop rate protection makes u feel like u have to fully invest into 1 content to get the most out of it

which is not ideal

regular drop rates r the best

[true talon]

Dry protection dont work unless its 100% given when you reach X kc

every drop is 50-50

My friend just went 3160 for a blowpipe.... if you made the item more common this prob woulda still happened. or if he had to get 3 pieces of a blowpipe but at lower rate.

[rain fulcrum]

[true talon]

just let loot be loot and give reasonable drop rates

[hard axle]

shards were fine EXCEPT them being tradeable

they pre-emptively pumped an extra 80-100% body/legs just from shards

[true talon]

Ya no idea why they made the BLP for irons tradeable lol

[hard axle]

big mistake

[true talon]

Contracts are about to ruin this content too lol

[hard axle]

the first oathplate was in the game within 5 minutes technically

I hope they just... make it CG-esque and duoable

[true talon]

Really dropped the ball on rewards per normal. while designing a cool boss.

[hard axle]

or just outright pause contracts

cuz solo only is depressing when it was slated to be duo

[chrome lantern]

Vestiges were fine the compounding with ingots was dumb and counteracted the point of them

[true talon]

Im highly impressed they managed to make a system worst than awakener orbs

[hard axle]

vestiges shouldve been freely swappable ngl

[true talon]

lol

[hard axle]

would've helped immensely

[chrome lantern]

Another viable solution

[true talon]

Shoulda never added ingots and just with the pathway they added later

[frail bough]

How are the tasks for getting contracts?

[chrome lantern]

Like I get that the point is that you have to process the vestige yourself

[frail bough]

i feel like people say it worse than awakeners without considering you can just afk grind it

[chrome lantern]

But you already have to combine it with the dk ring so that’s kinda moot

[frail bough]

keeping in mind that awakeners are only really used for cosmetics

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think the alternative of “just go kill tens of thousands of demons” is good either

[frail bough]

I mean idk, better than having to do hundreds of hours of active gameplay imo

and thats just assuming you're an iron, if you're not then its not even comparable

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1370533121220411412

[frail bough]

Not saying they can't make it better, but it's definitely not worse than awakeners

[chrome lantern]

I would rather do literally anything else than have to grind demons for contracts

And yes I know that’s an ironman issue but it doesn’t change it being a poor system

[frail bough]

idk its an alternative option, awakeners dont have taht

[chrome lantern]

I mean I’ll be real

The contract rate from Yama

Is almost nonexistent

Compared to awakener orbs

There’s 5 components to the kit too

And that’s not even considering the contracts for loot

[frail bough]

i guess whenw e know how hard contracts are we can continue

but until then

[chrome lantern]

But the biggest thing is that we have yet another thing where there’s a neat challenge that’s gatekept by rare consumables

You don’t have to pay to do any of the hard things in this game except for orbs and now this

[frail bough]

fair

[chrome lantern]

It’s like paying an invocation token from 300 toa every time you want to try a 500

[frail bough]

yeah in that sense its definitely dumb

[true talon]

Also they need to stop adding supply drops to the rolls. and let it be tert like every other boss.

im sick of getting 2 pizza's for 5 min solo

[chrome lantern]

Don’t you dare forget about my Zamorak mixes

[true talon]

K lol b2b

[rain fulcrum]

the more i think about it hte more i am convinced that contracts dont make sense unelss they r untradable

[hard axle]

And if they are, they can't be super rare either

It's a nightmare to balance

regardless if tradeable or not

[rain fulcrum]

i feel like what they should ahve done is something like

• contracts are untradable
• oathplate ONLY drops from contracts
• you dont lose the contract if you fail

so like it ends up being an extra mandatory challenge to claim your drop

and it makes sense too, yama aint gonna give you the good stuff unless you make him sign for it

i think not losing the contract on death is crucial for any implementation of rare contract drops tho

[true talon]

I dont get why yama gains magic defense in p3. its harder to actually mage him.....

[rain fulcrum]

?

[true talon]

you should be rewarded for being able to dps while dodging waves and falling fireballs

but you just splash splash splash instead lol

melee yama p3 is so braindead easy

[rain fulcrum]

uhh ok bro

[small anvil]

think he means with 1 person on orb duty

which like is much slower than the methods that were discovered

[rain fulcrum]

the reward is that theres not a bajillion things spawning

and if u have a shadow its accurate anyw

[true talon]

im talking abut solo

duo you dont deal with shit, it dies before the nofly cycle ends lol

[rain fulcrum]

how is nofly easier than maging

theres almost certainly a nofly equivalent for magic anyway

its just nobody cares

[true talon]

You have to actually dodge the 3 fireballs

[rain fulcrum]

you realize you are dodging the fireballs when you nofly right

[hard axle]

do u even know how to time the cycle? cuz if u dont, ur getting meleed off-pray

^

are u confusing the nofly with the chill melee method

[true talon]

Yes but its brain dead easy as your just dpsing the boss lol

You just click boss an click tile

[hard axle]

that's 99% of teh game

if u mess up, ur eating a 40

[rain fulcrum]

thats also how you dodge the fireballs

[true talon]

You passively dodge the waves and everything doing dps

[hard axle]

legit, try nofly and get back to me

[rain fulcrum]

if u mess up you eat a 40, spawn orbs, and probably die

[hard axle]

it's like saying boak is less skillful than 416 p2

u still need to know how and when to get into cycle

[true talon]

you just go to 1 tile an click him when he snaps his fingers

thats so easy even my dumbass mastered it

[hard axle]

:ohdear: he's lost in the sauce

[rain fulcrum]

so you know you could do basically the same thing with magic, right?

its just that maging doesnt require you to be next to the boss at all

you could make some tile markers to dodge everything without stepping near the boss

th eonly reason the melee tiles wont work is that they expect u to drag

and they expect a 4t wep isntead of 5tp

5t

hardest part about duo nofyl is spawning a tick late toh

i hate that

[frail bough]

skip first attack meet at one, move just before snap

[meager flame]

ya honestly

just give up the first attack and stand on 1 lol

when the hand is completely raised attack and you're in cycle

very easy

no thinking about how close you spawned etc

[rain fulcrum]

well its not how close i spawn thats the issue

thats fine

but yeah i guess giivng up an attack solves it

[hard axle]

only 4 situations - 2 spawn same tick, 2 spawn off tick

if you want to sneak in an extra hit

[lament peak]

[hard axle]

[tough nacelle]

Shoulda gone to TDs

[true talon]

156/450 shards for blp

only 500 more kills to go

[slender vapor]

Gz 1800 tallow

[hard axle]

the first thing tmr hopefully is "we have lowered it to 400 shards BUT it is now untradeable"

[meager flame]

help

[dim ridge]

stop dropping pizza at the GE

[lament peak]

im half expecting them to announce another drop rate nerf on monday 😭

[analog crow]

Fun detected at new content

[plush gull]

cant have that, we gotta make sure people arent even allowed to play the hardmode version

[upbeat moss]

Cope and seethe

[shut wadi]

Ouch good loot though!

Do we know what this week's update is going to be?

[ember token]

yama stuff

[shut wadi]

Really? Shouldn't fixes be outside of actual updates. Surely they've been working on something?

[ember token]

yeah theyve been working on yama

[shut wadi]

Has there been a lot of issues with yama then?

Haven't heard anyone in my clan complain about I

It*

[slender vapor]

Contracts by far are a huge issue, and number 1 issue

And then you have normies crying themselves to sleep over oathplate prices

[shut wadi]

Silly, they're Gonna drop in time just like everything else.

[shut wadi]

How does the contracts work? I'm iron only and it's not ready for this content

[ember token]

contracts are being enabled a few days after next update and there's 11 of those, so 11 different versions of the fight being added

[slender vapor]

They're dt2 orbs but worse

[shut wadi]

Ooooh crazy sounds like a lot of fun. I can see why it's keeping them busy

My clan is going yama crazy haha

[true talon]

my weekend yama hype was ruined by the nerf. and 0 improvements to the fights fluidness, like making him proper phase or unlocking your inventory so you can eat or change gear between transitions. just makes you feel like you wait 2 weeks for the content to be fixed, before you can go grind it. however i will say the issues with yama are fairly low and it released in a somewhat good state.

[tough shoal]

my weekend was consumed by doing slayer trying to do tormented demons

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725438153149906955/1373691359151788152/image.png?ex=682bfe05&is=682aac85&hm=3062134d1b8b809b3780097aa404ff26196764d67bec094e6183d916440b1484&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=408&height=907

that's my tormented demon log since their release.

[true talon]

thats your own fault, WGS been out almost a year and synpase weps have been good at many places an worth grinding.

when i saw they were play testing purging staff i went an got a 3rd at 2256 kc

[tough shoal]

well. i'm an ironman, and i've been doing tormenteds for burning claws for a whiiile

intermittendly, i play other games too

gotten 5 slayer levels (90-95) while doing tormenteds

[true talon]

Can also kill TD's off task its not much worst.

i did majority of mine off task.

[tough shoal]

15% damage and accuracy for a slayer task, on a extremely common slayer task enemy?

task so worth it

[true talon]

ya but you waste all that time trying to get a task

esp if your not skipping for them

[tough shoal]

i have a nice block/do list, and i've been following it, tormenteds have like 30% chance of showing up

10% of all my slayer task are tormented demons

might move abby demons from skip to block, but once i got my synapses i wanna do some sire.

[wispy current]

the problem with oath is anyone with 200m bank can synapse rebuild

actually theres a lot of problems with it but thats a big one. guaranteed drops from contracts and dry protection arent helping either

[true talon]

This dont seem like a bad thing. anyone with a rcb can rebuild at nex.

The drop from contracts is stupid and the dry protection should be untradeable

The dry protection being tradeable only hurts the money making of shale. because its hurting the price of oathplate. because people are buying the shards to make armor for profit atm. but once the price of the armor crashes due to to the influx of oathplate due to this method. its gonna have long term damage.

The dry protection needs to go back to 350 shards per piece and made untradeable. current state you need to kill around 750 yama to get a dryness protection shards. and contracts are 1/2970 for 100% oathplate entry ticket on a fight no1 knows atm XD

[wispy current]

Endgame content shouldnt be so easily farmed with midgame gear. It shouldnt beat items like scythe and shadow

[true talon]

Uhh you can do tob with a whip an void, toa with a fang and mixed hide, cox with void and normal trident.

colo can be done very easily with mid game items also.

[hasty shard]

you do have to be good to melee and not have shit kph, and using purging without max is trolling as is

not to say the boss shouldn't be harder, though

[true talon]

Boss should be harder in duo for sure

nofly ruins the actual difficulty of duo

[hasty shard]

kind of a joke for what it is not even factoring in that its mean to be a duo boss

the only duo mechanic they got down I feel is managing chip damage from sigils

i almost feel like they should just pump the damage up a fuck ton from sigils because of it

[true talon]

Well only sigil that does damage is the fire one

the chip is actually fine. its enough to make you need to bank.

[hasty shard]

more

[true talon]

To me the ideal boss would be one that you melee in p1/p2 and are forced to mage in p3 while cordinating wave skips and falling fireballs as a duo

[hasty shard]

i think p3 mage/melee is neat without donofly but you just get fucked on contribution

because orbs dont give contribution because ????

[true talon]

yep the person dealing with flares get nothing

[hasty shard]

they really didnt want to make a duo boss ig

[true talon]

however you can do a 3 way mage switch nuke the orb an switch back to lose no melee ticks

due to the spell delay distance

[hasty shard]

im not happy they didnt put their foot down about donofly honestly

especially when we just aren't allowed accessible, difficult endgame content now

[true talon]

they can fix donofly by changing flares to spawn when you melee the boss over when he melee's you

[hasty shard]

fuck you you'll kill 10k black demons for contracts and you'll like it

[sacred skiff]

Flares don’t give contribution? Wtf

[true talon]

nope

[hasty shard]

agreed, or add fire trails to p3

the fact it is just butterflying and there's no thought process is stupid to me

like it actually makes me worried that all endgame pvm is going into a butterfly pipeline

[true talon]

I would make p3 mage only. drastically reducing his mage defense and upping his melee defense. if you melee the boss he spawns a flare for each melee hit.

[hasty shard]

where you just dont do mechanics and click a specific tile order for every boss

[sacred skiff]

Oh is this all that butterflying is? I should learn that for toa lol

[hasty shard]

fire trails would mean you have to adjust that pattern which is a lot more depth imo

[sacred skiff]

Only trident baby iron tho so maybe not

[hasty shard]

as it stands, the boss is just the same fight, every time

[true talon]

Butterflying ruins yet another encounter.

[hasty shard]

not worth it to butterfly w/o shadow really

other styles will be more dps

[true talon]

Why design a good boss, when you can allow players to bypass all the mechanics with "skilled movement"

If you ever mage p3 only thats what a fluid enrage is like

[hasty shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHlVbfZ02G0&t=6s&ab_channel=surf ic

gregfly now

[true talon]

you dodge falling fireballs, time your prayer swaps and wave skips. while keeping up the 3 tick casting during fall fireballs.

thats actual dealing with mechanics

running around the boss so he cant do anything is stupid

[reef shale]

175 kc with 1 dossier and no uniques, someone remind me why they nerfed the drop rate again? 🙄

[chrome lantern]

Because shards are tradeable

For some reason

[true talon]

so dumb lol. jagex pls do something about this crap.

[reef shale]

Bro me as well as 60% of all players are on an iron 🤣 and everyone else just RWTs tradable dont mean squat anymore

[wispy current]

Someone out there with a ton of gp to invest is making bank buying all the shards and pumping armor into the game

[true talon]

Yep a lot of people was doing that

[pliant haven]

Im concerned oathplate armor is already too common and yama is too easy, and now jagex says they want to make the contracts EVEN MORE COMMON? Like what is going on here? That’s going to make Oathplate even MORE diluted lol

[slender vapor]

Damage was already done

They added 3 different ways to get the armor

I'm not sure what anyone expected

They also made Yama easy by stripping away good mechanics from the base fight for contracts

[vivid ruin]

Whats even more funny is that people bitched about the recent nerf as if making the armor was supposed to be a 99 crafting method

[pliant haven]

Really ridiculous what’s been done. It needs to be a harder fight at the very least. I have 278 kc already after a few days

Are the jagex mods even seeing this feedback? Why tf would they make the contracts even more common

Legit makes ZERO sense logically

[true talon]

Contracts are to rare

Thwy are basically 1/2970 for the one they gives oathplate

I’ve had 1 contract n 200 kc an that’s just the armor one

[pliant haven]

Ok and?

“Too rare” as opposed to WHAT?

Maybe if the fight wasn’t easy asf

And if the armor wasn’t “too common”

[true talon]

200 kc with no drop so I don’t agree it’s to common and I don’t agree the fight is to easy. It’s plenty challenging.

[hasty shard]

too rare in the sense that they implied it would be better rates than awakener orbs

they are far

FAR worse

we are talking you get like 7 attempts per contract after green logging the boss

7 attempts for a specific contract after over 2500 kc is absurd

nobody should be forced to kill shitter mobs like black demons to even bother with aspirational content

like, who actually wants to be turael skipping lmao

[wispy current]

Youre only 15 hours in

Irons sign up for the grindy game mode then complain its too much of a grind

[true talon]

Only? That’s 3 full days lol

[wispy current]

Compared to a lot of other grinds thats not a lot

[true talon]

The base loot is also so bad it don’t leave much to be excited over. Also calling it now donofly will ruin contract Yama.

[hasty shard]

will honestly be so fucking funny if you can fly contracts

calling it now worm contract bis fight

all in on worm contract

[odd musk]

Doubt you'll be able to fly the contract called "forfeit breath"

[fossil epoch]

It does sound like a run turned off kinda contract

[hasty shard]

hoping its like literally an oxygen mechanic

[odd musk]

Diving apparatus bis

[compact flicker]

It's probably just a timed kc, speedrun or die

[obsidian venture]

It’s a tick perfect movement and if you mess up, gl

Player emergent solves are healthy

[hasty shard]

in other words free 😭

implying tick perfect movement is hard has me hovering a lily ping

[tender harness]

60% of all statistics are also made up

[hasty shard]

i wonder if theres an actual % to that somewhere

[tender harness]

I'm sure there is, Jagex just isnt going to disclose that

[hasty shard]

yaglox

no i meant what you said

[tender harness]

I don't get this attitude.
they release something, realize holy fuck we made a mistake, nerf it. the base loot is absolutely dog water they dont buff that.
people who work, and have jobs (how dare they right?) get screwed over. people who have time to game hard don't.
Yama and going dry wouldn't feel bad if the base loot wasn't the same nut punch as DT2 bosses. but the fact that shards also seem to be rarer, and the base loot is the same. its gross.

[hasty shard]

im kind of fine with yamas drops

i think they're getting closer to a way to not have bosses shit out supplies whilst also not being the nightmare drop table

[tender harness]

holy excitement right? FUCKING PIES

[hasty shard]

🔥 restore mixes

[tender harness]

I mean theres also a line between muspah supply shitting

and DT2

[hasty shard]

no those are on the same line

[tender harness]

musaph? fucker used to shit out a lot

or am i thinking of something else

[hasty shard]

no ur thinking of muspah

all im saying is i shouldnt have 100k coal from a boss

[tender harness]

that also comes down to Jagex actively refuses to make skilling good

in any capacity

so a lot of supplies got shifted to bosses/pvm over the years

[wispy current]

Something something instant gratification dopamine addiction etc

[tender harness]

heaven forbid people who skill dont get rewarded for their time spent too. or actually have any remotely decent money makers

[obsidian venture]

It isn’t but osrs playerbase doesn’t have hands unfortunately

[vivid ruin]

Dem bronze swords

[hasty shard]

real

[wispy current]

What do skillers need gp for, the bosses they dont kill?

[hasty shard]

1300s coal miner wrists

REAL

[tender harness]

what do pvmers need GP for. just remove all loot from bosses and gate it to skilling
watch pvmers in shambles

[obsidian venture]

Pvpers on top

[tender harness]

PvPers enjoying their surge pots

[obsidian venture]

Shits insane

[hasty shard]

i would literally only ever do castle wars i think

[obsidian venture]

Any vlsers

[tender harness]

130% spec bar. whoda thought that is a dumb idea

[obsidian venture]

125%

[tender harness]

its 130

[hasty shard]

many monka decisions with yama

135

[obsidian venture]

Surge gives 30?

[hasty shard]

wait no it is 130

ape brain

[obsidian venture]

Cooked

[sacred skiff]

Why not 200% tho

[hasty shard]

nah you just godbook

• surge

[tender harness]

you have to time it correctly but yeah 130% its

[hasty shard]

just actually unlivable rush stacks

[obsidian venture]

I’m just saying base pot is 25% no?

[sacred skiff]

What’s the point of godbooking? Is it so your spec can start recharging earlier?

[hasty shard]

+25%, +10% from natural regen whilst at 95%

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[hasty shard]

ye so you get an extra 5% at the start of a fight

[obsidian venture]

For example at p1 verzik, if you gb and wait x ticks, you can get 3 specs off (last spec regens after the 2nd hit) instead of 2

[tender harness]

theres like uhh, I think a combo with dspear, nox and gmaul that lets you spec someone out for 200 damage

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[sacred skiff]

Yeah that’s where I first heard about it being used, I’m just a <50 kc no purps andy at tob so didn’t look more into it lol

[reef shale]

Right bro these sweats who play 12 hours a day think tik perfection is just easy

[hasty shard]

tbh now you dont even have to do that cause of surge, casual andy strats

[obsidian venture]

You can money Godbook but kinda eh if not max eff

Also not needed really

Unless going for a good time

[sacred skiff]

Gotta be able to officiate the lads’ wedding mid tob tho

[tender harness]

oh no its not dspear
its atlatl DDS and gmaul

[obsidian venture]

Ahhh

[hasty shard]

atlatl

quick question thoughts on oathplates design

[tender harness]

though d spear double maul spec and nox is also

[obsidian venture]

Reskinned hcim armor

[obsidian venture]

With visual metronome existing + just practicing better methods, it’s not as complicated to learn

Just gotta spend some time doing and build that muscle memory

[sacred skiff]

I think it looks decent, I just don’t like the corrupted dragon armor color

[reef shale]

I'm only on mobile bro I dont have no metronome plug in 🤣

[obsidian venture]

Depends on if you want short term fun or long term benefits really

[reef shale]

That's rune lite luxuries

[tender harness]

it does speaking as someone with boomer brain and boomer reaction
just dont ask me to react to double south spawns in colo rn

[sacred skiff]

Plume on the helm coulda been bigger lol I love a huge helmet plume

[obsidian venture]

Watch the sunfish vid pinned in pvm general

Don’t need to have zoomer reactions

[sacred skiff]

True sunfish vid is a lifesaver

[obsidian venture]

Just gotta have eyes mate

🤝

[tender harness]

zoomer reaction time man the giga fast switches
I yearn to be young again once you hit 30 shit just goes down hill

[obsidian venture]

Fr

[sacred skiff]

32 in a month, my fingers creak during any pvm

[tender harness]

slayer is a contact sport

[hasty shard]

cause im fiddling around based on feedback designs

[tender harness]

seph is a hardcore?

holy

[tacit pendant]

The crotch flag does really tie everything together

[sacred skiff]

I like the leg plates and crotch flag tbh, looks more protective

[tender harness]

surely they do another pass on nightmare now and buff the loot drops

[sacred skiff]

Plus the “angry eyes” on current oath helm are kinda silly

[hasty shard]

bandos tassets

[tacit pendant]

It should have been silver into upgraded gold

[hasty shard]

also just a quick hcim armour comparison

[tender harness]

theyre the same

[tacit pendant]

I wasnt fully memeing either, i like the crotch flag

[tender harness]

tf you mean

[tacit pendant]

Its like two teamates on red team in halo with slightly diff armor

[obsidian venture]

Ok… why does the hcim armor look like clay

[hasty shard]

truege

[tender harness]

when are we buffing inq armor by giving it armadyl like features to turn into components to mix with justiciar and make justiciar non meme

[tacit pendant]

Pistol is still bis ranged weapon smh

[hasty shard]

can we get justiciar inq but keep the design the same

[sacred skiff]

Oathplate is just recon hcim confirmed

[tender harness]

sure, that is a kit now tied to the new duo only boss that drops a tithe that is a harder version that has to be solo only

[hasty shard]

its a blood tithe

cause its an ass mechanic

[tender harness]

contract mechanic returning for vampyre boss

calling it now

[hasty shard]

😭

nah gms cant reward good things dw

[tacit pendant]

Quick sketch of revised radiant armor, should match holy scythe btw

[hasty shard]

we'll get blood jelly and a slayer task vyre spot

[tender harness]

slayer task vyre spot, where vyres dont drop bloodshards

[hasty shard]

🔥

can we just get smaller blood shards to charge it with

[tacit pendant]

Wish granted, oathplate now consumes blood shard to gain its accuaracy stats

[compact flicker]

Works for 100 attacks

[hasty shard]

they're doing SOMETHING with nightmare btw

do with that what you will

[obsidian venture]

At least they made sgs relevant again

[tacit pendant]

Sawce?

[hasty shard]

goblin

somewhere in the discord

[obsidian venture]

Summer going to be interesting

Delve + rebalance

[hasty shard]

copege

[obsidian venture]

Truers

[pliant haven]

Oathplate armor is incredibly ugly. Looks like some rs3 bs

Which is half the reason it’s crashing

[tender harness]

theyre turning it, into more of a nightmare
drop rates reduced by 66.6%
orbs are now on separate tables and each time you hit the table you also have a chance to roll broken glass

[compact flicker]

Even it were a chicken suit looks are probably not the major point affecting the price

[tacit pendant]

It suprisingly held value p well from yesterday

[pliant haven]

True, but it’s certainly not helping :p

[hasty shard]

wdym 'were'

[tacit pendant]

Yeah search by goblin and 'nightmare' i got nothin

Wait i found it

Dump stocks in inq were getting dragon platelegs on the menu boys

[hasty shard]

🔥

[tender harness]

inq no longer going to be paper?

[hasty shard]

let me wear inq everywhere

fire set

[tender harness]

inq what was supposed to be the torva before torva
with defensives of addy

[hasty shard]

make it buff all melee accuracy 2.5%

[tacit pendant]

Just give us the inquisitor flail and a new crush boss problem solved

[tender harness]

you mean inq mace where it took them like a year to fix

after fixing it the first time

speaking of inq
remove crush from scythe, and make shit like inq good

surely good

[tacit pendant]

Inquisitor knucklebuster. 2 tick crush

[hasty shard]

mfw crush sraxe is probably better anyways

[tender harness]

you crushing people with the pommel of the axe?

[tacit pendant]

Just hold the axe sideways

[tender harness]

true. they should make that animation if you are using crush on SRA you swing it sideways so it lands flat

[hasty shard]

wtf!!

most axes have crush option

heavy weapon innit

[tacit pendant]

Bonk

[tender harness]

sraxe crush is fine where it is its scythe really being too good at crush

because of quite literally how scythe works

also in b4 but its a mega it should be

[hasty shard]

i mean they'd really need to just buff inq mace more if they boot scy out of the crush slot

[tender harness]

crush in general is just neglected as fuck

[hasty shard]

shit would be a 2 dps loss at rax

[tender harness]

ye like

its down bad

why use an actual weapon thats meant to crush

when just lul scythe

[hasty shard]

ah sraxe is more deeps than mace at rax

noted

.22 more

i almost want to say stab is as neglected

mfw fang exists

[tender harness]

fang a sword that slashes and stabs

gutted for slash

[vivid ruin]

Inquis is getting buffed?

[tender harness]

[hasty shard]

oh but rapier beats it out at slayer!

when sraxe is more dps
when bp is more tbow

sorry freudian tbow slip

bp is more dps

[tender harness]

also daily reminder delete surge pots Jagex. thx

[tacit pendant]

Scythe should have stab not crush, and only get one stab splat

[vivid ruin]

Yeah the crush option is wierd l0l

[tender harness]

lets give fang crush
and forget to remove fangs passive on it

[tacit pendant]

Pommel bash phosani to death

[hasty shard]

let us swap scythes blade for fang

[plush gull]

are any contracts cheaper than 500k so i can buy 100 of them to be able to play them on release

[hasty shard]

worm

[plush gull]

😭😭 😭

cool theres 1 more fight

[tender harness]

worm is the only play for cheap IIRC

[hasty shard]

worm contract invest in worm contract bis most fun fight worm fight for worms

i forget what the worm contract even is

[tender harness]

watch worm unironically be the hardest fight

[tacit pendant]

Osmummys fanged scythe of vitur

[hasty shard]

i hope it is

[ember token]

catalyst contract is even cheaper

[hasty shard]

worm fight ftw

[plush gull]

but im worried its just gonna make me sad about not being able to do the other fights enough to chargeback and get myself banned

[hasty shard]

btw anglers are apparently super good for the pet now

[vivid ruin]

Twisted scythe of tummeken plz

[tender harness]

im already I dont have yama buddies and people are already on to giga tech that I dont know

[hasty shard]

you should go over rate for pet going to 99 w/ them, and you can 2t it

its getting simpler by the day i'd almost say dont bother learning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHlVbfZ02G0&t=6s

shits gonna be altar door in a week

[tender harness]

literally kril in a week

mfw

[fossil epoch]

wonder if its even worth the time for people to do the aether/worm contracts, like can you still get regular loot? surely right?
If you bypass chance at armor pieces, then i dont think its worth it

[plush gull]

can i just step back every 7 ticks while dodging everything and accomplish the same thing as fly with no run energy

[plush gull]

no loot for every contract would be so much better wym

let people do fights for fun!

[hasty shard]

no contracts would be so much better

[fossil epoch]

non repeatable contracts, that cost money to aquire, since you can only get a limited amount yourself
they have to actually be worth it

[plush gull]

why play this game if you dont wanna do fights

[vivid ruin]

Can someone confirm if inquis set is getting attention

[plush gull]

havent heard anything about it

[ember token]

yeah theyre letting us combine justi with inq

[sacred cove]

It is, you just gave it attention

[plush gull]

seriously? 🤔

[vivid ruin]

Plea

[plush gull]

what crush weapon is there

[fossil epoch]

Cats reading reddit, or where you getting your sources from?

[vivid ruin]

Data is yanking our chains 😭

[plush gull]

and people call me the troll

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-explain-gif-25119725

[fossil epoch]

Tbf, its not a bad idea, except that it would make people feel they have to do nightmare, which isnt something people should do

[plush gull]

idk it just sounds weird

also nightmare is the reason I will never get GM

[vivid ruin]

Inquisitor (f) plea gegix

[plush gull]

i genuinely refuse to do the boss because of the mechanic that will probably get moderated for even talking about lmfao

[hasty shard]

nightmare cas are free

reason: i have them

[plush gull]

how does it make u feel watching a mosquito pop out of u?

[hasty shard]

nothing

im dead inside

[plush gull]

its so triggering especially with current world politics x.x

[frail bough]

🤔

[plush gull]

has anyone figured out what this means

like is it really just, veng works on meteor

p1 specs dont seem to be tick eatable

[shadow wave]

Yeah, veng just works, damage reduces with distance from the center of the meteor so you can just tank the 80 and hit back with a beefy veng

[tender harness]

yes you can veng meteors
theres some other meteor tech to iirc

[plush gull]

theres this

not relevant to veng tho

also can someone explain to me in detail why they dodged the 2nd wave but not the 1st

is it because they were walking parallel to the wave before walking into it

i need true tile for this geez

[frail bough]

they walked on to wave 1 as it moved to the tile they were walking to

wave 2 the move on to the wave as the wave moved to them - skipping it

basically yes, true tile things

[plush gull]

so annoying to get a feel for true tile with high ping, feels like artificial difficulty making things blurry on purpose like vard heads

not a fan of that kind of design

hard to practice too cuz it only happens like every 2 minutes except in enrage where ur also dealing with fireballs, its what kills me the most since im trying to 1 hp dh

like why are there 2 lines, which one is the true tile??

[hard axle]

front one

dodge the front

when its 2 tiles away diagonally

or 3 tiles horizontally/vertially

[plush gull]

and it doesnt matter if ur running or walking right, just need to be moving into not a fire, when a fire is going onto ur tile

[frail bough]

Technically yes but running still gives you a bit more clearance when going diagonal

[plush gull]

how come theres less clearance horizontal/vertical?

[frail bough]

im assuming what rat said is true, i wouldn't be able to answer that

[hard axle]

no difference actually

i've walked before

its like how olm lightning works

and zebak waves

i can confirm this for diagonal, but horizontal/vertical I've not done 1 tile walk

[plush gull]

u can walk zebak waves? i only did the walk 1 then run

ive walked solarflare tho, its one of my least favourite invos

[hard axle]

1 tile in direction of waves then run opposite

[frail bough]

I just find that when walking I can only do it when exactly 1 tile away and running I can get away with 1 or 2 tiles away.

[hard axle]

ill grab a clip later

[plush gull]

yeah thats what i did before, didnt think u could dodge zebak waves with pure walking

the yama waves dont even travel on tiles so i should probably look at the line instead

[hard axle]

they "teleport" onto the next tiles

like most things in this game

[plush gull]

i mean graphically theyre often not even on tiles

o i guess thats 2 on the tiles next to where im clicking

and neither of them are moving to where im clicking, but one of them is going into me, so thats why i get hit

i think I figured out what works for me, ur supposed to click on a tile waves look like they arent moving to, not click on a wave itself

like this is a successful skip

the waves path goes past where im clicking to

[tender harness]

also Yama

[final umbra]

Im just gonna sit here with my 9 mil Fang because the drop rates were never nerfed.

[slender vapor]

The other issue with it, is toa specifically is made excruciatingly bad if you lack the fang, like yes iron problems. But that raid has way too much defense scaling

Its purple rate was also allowed way too high on the top end tbh

[plush gull]

hope it stays under 10mil so it doesnt increase death costs at colo

[slender vapor]

Timmy farming toa isn't pushing fang down, the guys farming at 50% rate in 8 mans are kind of the problem

[tender harness]

nerf 8 mans

[final umbra]

Its kind of too late for that, its more like "they should have nerfed 8 mans"

[plush gull]

toa rewards are like the only thing i use before megarare

masori, lightbearer, blowpipe are all op too for cheap

[slender vapor]

[plush gull]

unfortified masori+blowpipe outdamages 600m of melee gear in colo

[slender vapor]

Dragon ammo op

[plush gull]

for 1/5 of the price

[tender harness]

scythe doers enter the chat

[plush gull]

every toa item is just so good to own on a main

except ward idk why they made it 85 smithing req

like wtf??

[tender harness]

ward needing a corp drop to make good is wild

[final umbra]

Yeah ToA released some insane gear.

While also being the BiS offhand magic gear....

[plush gull]

i wonder how the low life masori could have ended up itd be really good at colo

the dodge chance seemed off tho

[slender vapor]

Corp sigil killed that item

[tender harness]

corp sigil yeah

[slender vapor]

That item legit should have like 30%

[tender harness]

also ward with out sigil is like

just get wildy off hand

theyre basically the same fucking thing

[slender vapor]

The corp shield and the ward were both fucked by magic gear just being shit

[tender harness]

the awful rebalance made unbuffed ward

weird

[plush gull]

also removed harm staff as a midgame upgrade

cuz no more tome

[hard axle]

Yup and that's actually also another issue

might just be in my group, but we really don't like how inflated the hp pool is in 8 mans when shit goes wrong

which also translates 1:1 into points for purple chance

if they tweaked down the hp scaling per additional team member, that also solves the purple chance bs

[slender vapor]

It's my strongest belief that 8mans are the reason toa uniques are toast

[hard axle]

Like a building or a house, it all starts at the foundation

13% 500s being the highest purple chance in a solo for any raid

isn't helpful

[minor whale]

I've said before I'd bet that the 8 man point capping raids are bringing in way more purples and got told no way, it's definitely all the 300 invo doers lmao

The solo 300 doers are getting bored after 4 raids and leaving

[slender vapor]

300 invo is actually an honest mans raiding level

[minor whale]

The 8 mans can just send and send and send because no dry streaks and you print gp

[slender vapor]

You get uniques, but it's not that quick

[minor whale]

An 8 man dry streak is oh no we went 4 raids and didn't see a purple

[hard axle]

it's a non-zero impact, but nowadays, im not seeing many 8 mans outside of ffa

being able to solo without any gimmicks does impact it substantially

[minor whale]

Definitely fucked up that solos are easier

Yama did that good that duos are actually reclined gaming in comparison

[slender vapor]

It was 100% meant to be babies first raid

So that's also the point

[tender harness]

jmods probably run the 8mans and said this is fine

[hard axle]

yes, but the point is dull and problematic

[plush gull]

this earthquake chip damage can kill you lol

[hard axle]

(yes)

[tacit pendant]

Maybe not this weekend but toa world on weekends and clans still run 8man

Or 6-8 man which is functionally close

[hard axle]

Even in past weekends, I’ve seen less and less. And considering this game is populated by a lot of antisocial folks, the amount of people soloing isn’t a zero impact on loot in circulation

[tacit pendant]

Oh solos are way more common

Hopeful raids 4 encourages teamates

And tbow

[true talon]

Will be solo 100% thwy learned from tob to never do that again.

[cursive vector]

The two parts of your sentence do not make sense together sorry

Tob is universally accepted by like 90% of the hlc as the best piece of content in the game

[true talon]

Ya but it’s also regarded by 99% of the player base as worst accessibility raid.

No1 cares what the .01% think. The raid might be the best piece of content to hlc players. But it’s also the most gatekept from people attempting it.

[cursive vector]

tob being gatekept is more of a myth than an actual thing, literally every pvm clan has a bunch of tob mentoring going on, u have mentors in wdr, etc etc. most people claim that its gatekept are not acctually trying to get into it

If someone acctually wants to get into tob they should have absolutely no issues doing that

[honest belfry]

idk, most experienced players don't want to take a noob, and 416 isn't a great way to learn, you get flamed for not understanding something you had no way of knowing beforehand

I found chambers a lot more approachable with a group of friends without having to join a clan, for example

[cursive vector]

Theres the wdr learner channel. What would you say is not approachable there?

(By design you cant set high gear/kc reqs there)

(Theres alao mentor raids there)

[austere mulch]

There’s also the Learn TOB discord

That pools learners and has volunteer mentors

Engaging with players is a core aspect of MMOs

[cursive vector]

Preach

[cursive vector]

Wish I could tattoo this on my forehead ingame

[honest belfry]

My comment was just a summary of my experience, I have 6 ToB KC as a 2200+ ironman, and I have 215 CoX (I understand this isn't a lot). I was able to run chambers and figure out mechanics and it's much easier to solo and get a baseline where ToB relies on a team

[austere mulch]

If they just removed death fees under 10kc, it’d probably feel equally accessible

[honest belfry]

I don't mind losing coffer money, I would say that is not a factor in my experience

[cursive vector]

Entry also has no death fees

[wispy current]

its prolly more the wipe mechanic that makes ppl toxic

[austere mulch]

The cost is a major contributor to most players

Bc in cox, you just lose your supplies and time

[honest belfry]

it feels really bad knowing nothing going into an encounter and relying heavily on your team to teach you is what stops me from wanting to engage in that content

[austere mulch]

Same with toa

[cursive vector]

No ones gonna be toxic with you on a learner raid lets be real

[austere mulch]

You’ve just got an inaccurate view of tob then, because coordination only improves efficiency outside of the few things that technically require it

[wispy current]

toxicity def happens in tob lets be real

[honest belfry]

where in CoX you can still get through, in ToB it's like "oh he doesn't know how to freeze for Maiden, it's a wipe" kind of attitude

[austere mulch]

Like sharing the dawnbringer

We used to have everyone on ancients freezing 2 crabs each

That’s just a personal choice

[cursive vector]

In more advanced teams? Sure, when an experienced player takes a noob to shoe them the ropes? I doubt

[austere mulch]

To rely on people for freezing

[honest belfry]

yeah for example if I take the dawnbringer in the wrong order, or don't bounce green ball, or whatever it is. There's a ton of things people flame you for

and whether or not it's factually true - that's how a lot of players feel from the outside looking in

[austere mulch]

Ppl flame you for dying to boulder at baba, messing up butterfly, messing up specials at olm

[chrome lantern]

Is it unreasonable to expect someone to look at a guide first or something? Not like you go on with zero knowledge

[austere mulch]

But also

You don’t get flamed in mentor raids

Or with other learners, generally

It’s usually the ppl that do the bare minimum for completions who happened to do it hundreds or thousands of times that flame

[chrome lantern]

If I go in with learners I fully expect them to plank

[austere mulch]

And the irony is they are the worst at the content 🤣

[chrome lantern]

I won’t flame a learner death unless they just never try to improve

[honest belfry]

I don't even know how to get into the learner channels in WDR I guess - I haven't used it since you actually had to scout for CoX layouts

[wispy current]

dude if you really wanna learn tob though, highly recommend learn tob disc @honest belfry

[honest belfry]

guess I'll check it out - don't love joining a ton of discords though

well there's the catch - splitting everything when I main an iron, don't know if my main can afford to split a Scythe if it were to happen

but as I'm sure you'll all let me know - i chose that

[austere mulch]

Most of the learners in Learn Tob are irons and they either choose to FFA or split all but scythe

[honest belfry]

and don't have Augury, 4x Dex, so let me finish that at CoX first I suppose

'do not apply without these requirements'

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[honest belfry]

I feel like that only validates my feeling of there being barriers before I can learn ToB

[tacit pendant]

They already said raids 4 will be in the spirit of tob

Theyll prob mess that up somehow kek

[honest belfry]

also I've struggled my way through 6 KC so I've shot half my learner raids lol

[obsidian venture]

Only barriers really is yourself from finding a decent mentor or finding 3 other learners to send it with

I did the latter as I just wanted to learn the content

Died many times but it was fun learning the rooms with folks who also didn’t know better

[honest belfry]

Yeah, I have 2 iron buddies who have the gear as well but no mentor

dragon defender for life

[obsidian venture]

Don’t need a mentor per say

Can watch xzacts 1 min guided and send

[honest belfry]

i'm just gonna say okay and click off the discord now

appreciate it though

[obsidian venture]

[hard axle]

I pot with whoever when Im learning new shit

no standards, head empty, get clears, work on consistency

better than sitting around and doing nothing

[obsidian venture]

Yeah seems like they just want to have a mentor only and or be carried

[frail bough]

Can someone explain what attack p3 yama starts with based on this wiki information or is it just wrong?

All glyphs in the arena are now disabled, and Yama will alternate between ranged and magic attacks; the first attack used in this phase is opposite of that from the previous phases; basically, if Yama started with ranged in phase 1/2, the player should use Protect from Magic at the start of phase 3. In addition to the increased defence bonus, Yama's prayer piercing effects are significantly increased, especially for melee. The damage through prayer increases to 22 for his melee attack and 3 for his ranged/magic attacks.

[obsidian venture]

Which is just self-gatekeeping

Ngl haven’t noticed a correlation

Assumed p3 was random

Can pay attention to it next time I send

[upper lichen]

The opposite of p2

[frail bough]

I've had success just doing the opposite of the very first attack in the fight so i don't really understand what this is trying to say or how you pray the opposite of both p1 and p2 if p1 and p2 happen to be opposite, which happens frequently

[obsidian venture]

Right

[upper lichen]

Ahh

[hard axle]

this is not right

[obsidian venture]

Might just be extra words for no reason

Is it?

[hard axle]

i swear it is

[obsidian venture]

Swear I’ve had range first

[frail bough]

its not

range can def happen first

[small anvil]

Opposite of the start is the same as what the wiki you quoted is saying

[hard axle]

[obsidian venture]

But they also mention p1

[frail bough]

its not because wiki is saying it's based on both phases

[small anvil]

It's saying if it's range start p1, then p2 also range, p3 mage

I think

For first hit of the phase

[hard axle]

nope nvm

just found a range start

disregard

[frail bough]

I honestly just end up reacting cause trying to remember is hard but wiki definitely seemed wrong so was just curious on thoughts.

[icy relic]

it's hard to get practice in on verzik, the other bosses are pretty straightforward

[upper lichen]

Verzik sim goes hard (p2 and p3)

[meager flame]

its the opposite of the start of p2

never failed me if i pay attention

[frail bough]

Alright, will give it a shot again once home. Maybe someone put in "p1/p2" thinking that its definitely that but needed to be determined if it was opposite of p1 or opposite of p2.

[cursive vector]

Use the sim 100%

[true talon]

No1 cares about efficiency besides the hlc. I care about it being doable and approachable on my own time. If I want to go die to Olm for 2 hours to learn its mechanics than I can. But tob it’s basically go hope to get into a raid and then grief it not knowing anything and prob not be able to find another or waste as many hours ina lobby as you do in the raid itself. It’s a bad play experience all around.

And yes i have done tob and yes I still do tob with my friends. But it’s still not a good raid from an approachability standpoint compared to chambers.

All content should be accessible to anyone who wants to do it. Having gate keeps like teams and entry keys just adds a barrier to people’s decision in engaging with the content.

It’s why orbs contracts nex and tob all suck

[small anvil]

Don't people do entry mode to practice

Just wield a bronze spear or whatever

[true talon]

Not really there is very little to learn from entry and there is no reward

[small anvil]

Learn mechanics

[jagged marsh]

Isn't entry mode the same mechanics just less stats

[small anvil]

Ya so you just use bad weapon

And can die and reset as much as you want

[jagged marsh]

Oh thats tech

[true talon]

Not fully like you can learn stuff like xarpus melee

But that’s about it

[jagged marsh]

Use a bad weapon to simulate higher stats 4head

[tacit pendant]

Its not too hard to get tobs goin, spending more time in lobby than a raid is wild

[true talon]

Go on a fresh acc with 0 tob kc and say that again lol.

Not lvl 3 but an acc with stats able to do tob

[jagged marsh]

Thats what the clans for

But you could probably pull a group if you're not going in with like an obby cape or something

[lament peak]

raids 4 will be a duo raid inshallah 🙏

[tacit pendant]

With scythe costs lately its been giga active. Wdr or join a clan.

[true talon]

I think the point is that raiding on other peoples time or playing RuneScape in general shouldn’t be dictated by others as nothing else in the game has this issue. Yama is a perfect boss it is duo yet you can solo. Duo is to easy and solo is much harder. If contract Yama had no barrier to entry it might have been insane.

[tacit pendant]

Mmo shouldnt be dictated by other peoples time is an insane take

[true talon]

I’m not eager to see what contract Yama looks like come Friday lol

[true talon]

RuneScape is not a general mmo

[small anvil]

It's fine to have some activities that are different

[true talon]

Ironman literally crushes any definition of mmo lol

[small anvil]

Not everything has to be solo focused

Some people really enjoy the team content

[tacit pendant]

The irony you could say

[true talon]

That’s fine you can enjoy team content but it should be soloable

[small anvil]

Advocating for the erasure of the team content to make everything solo oriented is incredibly short sighted

[true talon]

If your teammates are so efficient focused they rather solo than play with you. Then that’s your problem. But the content should t force or dictate you to group.

[tacit pendant]

Basing the whole game mode around irons instead of having irons adapt (point of the gamemode)

[true talon]

Iron is the pinnacle of osrs if they came first osrs would be an insanely good game more so than it is now.

[tacit pendant]

You CAN solo tob. But tob would be a worse experience if it was built around being solod. So its cool when people do

[small anvil]

Lol

Iron wants to be catered to more

Mkay

[true talon]

It wouldn’t be worst if it was built around solo and it’s easy to fix just reduce the health and dps check mechanics.

[tacit pendant]

I don't think well ever agree, not worth continuing

[chrome lantern]

If iron came first we would just have an offline single player rpg

[small anvil]

People who mistake things that would be good for them for things that would be good for the game as a whole are tiring -_-

[icy relic]

iron doesn't mean no group content

but it should just be a basic litmus test regarding what is worthwhile content you'd realistically expect people to engage with

[tough nacelle]

Man osrs needs way more group content

The reality is outside endgame there's VERY little team content

Which defeats the point of an MMO

[chrome lantern]

If the game started out iron only there would be no reason for it to even start out as an online game

[tough nacelle]

We need way more and it needs to be designed that way

[true talon]

No I already play wow for group content. Don’t need idiots to dictate my enjoyment further.

[icy relic]

like PNM and corp being complete dogshit for irons also makes them complete dogshit for mains because you have no realistic profit and can't cash out your time reliably

[tough nacelle]

That's not really comparable

That's because those are shit bosses OR shit drops

Has nothing to do with being team oriented

[icy relic]

I already said that

team content is not inherently anti-iron

[small anvil]

Think most people here are in agreement that tassli is silly

[tacit pendant]

Pnm you will cash out. Corp though....

[small anvil]

👍

[tacit pendant]

Wish theyd have made pnm team content....

Splits would actually make it more reliable money

[tough nacelle]

Even cox ATM is more efficient solo

[cursive vector]

It is accessible, yoy are just deliberately choosing not to engage with the ways of getting into it

Theres no keys

[tough nacelle]

Team based stuff is so much more fun

[icy relic]

I think jagex has some epigenetic memory of Vorago and KK being terrible for the PvM community in RS3

the whole thing about separating final boss from comp cape

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that raids 0 is still better than ToA

[icy relic]

giving up on raids

[hard axle]

i'll agree to an extent about keys being bad, but crying about teams is