game-update

[hard axle]

doesnt mean both of you get 6 each

[sacred skiff]

Sometimes when you do the glyphs method of skipping flares, it seems like the next glyph doesn't come online for the special in time? I was standing on it and it came up a tick after the meteor crushed me lol

Is there a way to avoid that happening?

[meager flame]

use it earlier

im pretty sure they respawn based on time

[hard axle]

the timing is incredibly generous

[true talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330772050779836427/1372999846847447181/image.png?ex=6828d140&is=68277fc0&hm=89be55a26421840fb3c7c174493d21443aac5e222f588c92f4c6358a7b2dd817&

My friend is free

[hard axle]

as soon as the previous attack hits

just tap the glyph

u can do this for meteor too

[meager flame]

i would crash out if i went to 3k for a bp

[mild saddle]

Are you always both getting shards?

[meager flame]

no

[mild saddle]

I didn’t think that’s how it worked and wiki says it wouldn’t work that way

yeah ok

Pretty sure it’s an oversight

[sinful field]

different loot each, you just get a portion of the maximum amount that loot could have based on contribution

[mild saddle]

question is if the 1/16 for shards is scaling with contribution as well like the other uniques

wiki claims it would

[sinful field]

proper uniques roll first on a seperate table as far as i know so id think not

[mild saddle]

just going off the info on the wiki which was provided to them by Jagex

[meager flame]

ngl

idk why they're so fucking mysterious about this stuff

lol i really dont see how players just having no idea how loot works for a week or two does anything

except i guess give jagex the option of stealth adjusting things

[mild saddle]

I’m just hoping to send a lot of duo kc this weekend and hope I’m not getting half the shards

If they revealed the actual rates, we could know

[mild saddle]

And so people don’t overreact to the blog

[small anvil]

its contribution% x 12

isnt it

[mild saddle]

well

It also may be 1/16 * contribution

cuz wiki says so

so it’d be double counting

[small anvil]

1/16? you mean the drop rate is affected by contribution as well

[mild saddle]

Instead of receiving 6 shards at 1/16 rate or 12 shards at 1/32 rate, you’d be receiving 6 shards at 1/32 rate

See footnote

If this is accurate duos are a lot worse

[small anvil]

that seems ulikely to me, more likely error on the wiki's part

[mild saddle]

here’s hoping

[small anvil]

but i'd look at the footnotes

the sources

[meager flame]

but yeah given everything jagex knows

i swear it is not hard to avoid controversial drop rates

i can see adjusting the non uniques on the table to be a bit harder

[tough nacelle]

Ehhh

Too rare day1 people get mad and say better skip content and do when rates better

Too common people say abuse early

[meager flame]

yeah but its not like we're creating into the unknown here lol

[tough nacelle]

Iron get angry at rates being too low

Mains get angry at rates being too common and tanking price

[meager flame]

we know the stats of the monster we know the gear people can bring we can ballpark a decent rate of kills

we have a million examples of rates that do or dont work

[tough nacelle]

I think the 30% figure was a reasonable change

Could have started but I think it's hard

[meager flame]

oh im not saying they weren't being reasonable im just saying that like

idk its easy lol

also im not going to lie

[tough nacelle]

Drop rates/reward space seems like the hardest thing to do tbh

[meager flame]

i dont know how they were surprised by kill speeds

[tough nacelle]

They could release non stop banger bosses

But what should they drop

[tough nacelle]

Yeah 4-8min was pretty expected without crazy optimization

For solo vs duo

[meager flame]

like the "tech" most people use speeds up the last phase somewhat but it isn't even that insane and it scans just like verzik

[small anvil]

4 mins is very slow for the people grinding it fast

its more like 3-3:30 duo for the casuals

and 2:30ish for the people doing duo melee w/ donofly

[tough nacelle]

I only did day 1 30 kc

And we got 330-4

On average with double mage

[meager flame]

3-3:30 is "im not doing anything but shooting this boss with a shadow" speed

[tough nacelle]

But this was no tile skip etc

[meager flame]

and like

im sweating super hard is 30 seconds to a minute faster than that

[tough nacelle]

3-330 is definitely quick

Yeah I wasn't going for step under damage

I'm shocked with what they expected KC time to be

[meager flame]

its not like some forbidden dps techniques though lol

legit 2 guys with shadows hit 3 to 3:30

basically every kc

[tough nacelle]

Double mage synapse and BIS

Is probably 3-330

Yeah

Emberlight setup is way faster now with that new tech

Which they didn't expect

I think average player skill is much higher

[meager flame]

thats the part that confuses me the most

[tough nacelle]

Than what they expect

[meager flame]

because like

you can do p1 and p2 with melee completely brain off

[tough nacelle]

The reality is osrs isn't that hard for the most part

[meager flame]

and thats almost all of the time save right there

[tough nacelle]

Only some GM level strats

Are hard

Like 2018 player base vs today isn't the same

[meager flame]

yeah but even if you didn't expect the boak clone

[tough nacelle]

Also Yama seems easier than vardorvis

[meager flame]

which idk why you wouldn't expect that tbf but lets assume it was a totally huge surprise

you still had to know people could just melee p1/2

then mage

and get almost the same times

[tough nacelle]

Yeah lol

The chip damage is low too

So it's not that uncommon

[meager flame]

i think where they really died this time in terms of rates is the oathplate shards

[tough nacelle]

Yeah forgetting about that piece

[meager flame]

they wanted that mining activity to be worth gp and made a bad decision

and found out that if we can all get partial credit really fast

[tough nacelle]

That mining activity is shit isn't it

Don't they drop nothing of value mining

[meager flame]

turns out we can sell them to people and you get a lot of items instantly

it was like a bunch of gp/hr

its already down to 3m or something now though

[tough nacelle]

I thought those dust things

Were 1k each

[meager flame]

nah they were like 2-3k

[tough nacelle]

Oh hour 3

If release they were 1k

When I did it

It didn't seem very profitable

[meager flame]

https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/30848

[tough nacelle]

I legit couldn't sell for anything above 1k

Which is wild

[fossil dock]

If the player has multiple shale in their inventory while crushing it, multiple shale will sometimes be consumed simultaneously without a noticeable increase in output; this can be prevented by only having 1 shale in the inventory when crushing it.

is this a bug or intended behaviour? seems a bit stupid

[meager flame]

thats definitely a bug

[true talon]

Ya everything besides nex corp nightmare phosani and dt2 bosses all work.

[true talon]

Dragon arrows and darts. Other hard to obtain Ironman things. Like candatine and kwarum

[tacit pendant]

Phosanis is unironically fine for mains, old ass boss at this point still maintains high gp per hour. If jagex ever releases crush bosses it would be even better.

[vivid ruin]

When do we get a stab set now @gegix

[tacit pendant]

Mixed hide has entered the chat

[true talon]

Feel stab armor wouldn’t matter

Fang already plenty accurate

[mild saddle]

Do you think the boss would get too popular if you halved the time to drop?

Cuz theoretically it won’t hurt the gp/hr much

[true talon]

I’d pref the fight be sped up more than a drop rate increase

[mild saddle]

Some but not that bad

[true talon]

If they make phosani like 4 mins instead of 7

[tacit pendant]

Phosanis could be faster

Regular should drop tablet

[mild saddle]

I suppose eliminating a phase wouldn’t be crazy

[true talon]

Can knock off 3 pillar phases and have 1 shield 1 pillar and 4 sleepwalkers then enrage

[meager flame]

im gonna be honest like

just straight up

[mild saddle]

Nah, tablet should just be liek 1/25

Otherwise people will put off learning it even more

[meager flame]

1 in 1600 for anything is a lot

before you even know how fast pnm dies

[tacit pendant]

Just straight remove an easy phase, boss is the exact same

[meager flame]

just knowing its a boss tells you that rate is going to hurt

[mild saddle]

pnm has “an easy phase”?

They’re all kinda the same

I don’t think of any special as particularly harder than another

[meager flame]

they probably should just yeet a phase or something

like

it just drags on

[mild saddle]

maybe, don’t hate it

Oh I guess P4 is harder ok

P4? Idr how many it is I think that’s right

[meager flame]

but seriously 1 in 1600 is a lot

[tacit pendant]

P4 is an enrage

[mild saddle]

I think that’s 5

I think 4 is prayer off

[meager flame]

that is 5x the rate that you would get for a bandos piece

and bandos dies sub 1 min

[tacit pendant]

P1 and 2 are same, p3 is off prayer

[meager flame]

and pnm obviously takes much longer

the numbers are crazy

like they're not even serious

[mild saddle]

A little disingenuous, cuz when bandos was made it was high kph for a drop in your name

[meager flame]

and thats after they nerfed it lol

[mild saddle]

It’s only because gwd has been fortnite’d that it’s so fast

[meager flame]

when bandos was brand new i was there and you were meleeing him down in a squad of people splitting

absolutely farming him lol

[mild saddle]

Ok yeah there’s 5 phases thought i was losing it lol

[meager flame]

pnm is a solo boss that even if it had identical rates

would still take multiple times longer

just due to kill speed

the fact that they want to 5x the rate and 7x the time at the same time

is not serious

they were trolling

[tacit pendant]

U are right my b

Cuz its one sleep walker per phase and them enrage

[meager flame]

it was destined to not even be close to okay

[tacit pendant]

Tbh just remove the first two phases completly and i think most would be happy

[meager flame]

im not even really sure how it happened

[sacred skiff]

Yeah the phases where nothing is different are a drag

It's just so much longer of a fight than it needs to be

[meager flame]

but the osrs dev team kind of realized they could get away with giving people crazy drop rates

and they would keep playing anyways

so now they've normalized like

"oh its just 70 to 100 hours nbd"

when in reality with the game we started with

thats fucking crazy

lmao

they successfully moved those goal posts to the next state over

[tacit pendant]

Well thats for irons, mains dont need to spend 80 hours at every boss, just buy/sell what u need as the mmo devs intended

[meager flame]

yeah you just make 15b to get your items

that's totally sane compared to the sub 100m for a max bank

that it used to be

[true talon]

That means max gear at rate of 5m an hour is about 3k hours lol

[meager flame]

lol i think it just gradully built up so people really didnt catch it as it happened

[tacit pendant]

I mean u "need" like 4 bil to hit gm as a midskill gamer.

[meager flame]

but jagex giga extended the lifespan of content and how long it takes to do anything

its actually night and day at this point if you go back far enough

[tacit pendant]

If u go back far enough dwarf cannon was a 1 hour quest reward that obliterates most mobs at the time of release

[true talon]

Mid skill for grand master lol what

[meager flame]

thats just how the super mega sweaty .01% of gamers talk about the .5% of gamers

not realizing what they're saying

[true talon]

.000000000001%

[meager flame]

its fine its just funny lol

[tacit pendant]

Its just a grind where u need to intentionally chip away things, anyone can learn and eventually get any ca they want with a max gear for the content

[true talon]

Ya but your not doing it with mid skill lmao

[meager flame]

like the actual middling skill level of an osrs player is probably sweating at bloodmoon

its just people never realize how bad most people playing a game really are

its like how in wow you look at heroic raid only gamers and you think they're some kind of underworld of impossibly bad players

but then you find out most players dont even hit max level

[tacit pendant]

Like mid-overall gamer skill which is obviously hard to quantify. All im trying to say is anyone COULD do it if they truly set their time and mind towards only cas

[mild saddle]

I mean people are also always improving

[tacit pendant]

Yup players are getting better at this game and resources getting good

[mild saddle]

Individual players too

Like the “average” person sweating at blood moon, if they keep playing, will be doing more advanced content pretty quickly

Yama will help that a lot tbh, it’s so accessible and gets people to do more stuff

[tacit pendant]

5 mil is a pretty low hourly rate, but assuming thats your average and your goal is all 3 megas and supporting gear (5 bil). 1,000 hours is a big ask, but i bet we all have more than that already, and jagex wants us here in another 5 years talking about the same game.

[mild saddle]

Don’t need all 3 tbf

Can swap as needed for like 5m or something

[tacit pendant]

You don't need all three, was all in repsonse to this

[mild saddle]

Oh yeah that’s high

[fathom flame]

at 75 hours time to complete, Jagex is assuming 29.33 kills an hour at yama in duos. How are people getting that? even in BIS i don't see average kills at basically <2 minutes including banking

[tacit pendant]

Are you including shards in your time?

20 kph and go smith your missing piece is probably the general idea. I dont know if that actually calcs to 75 hours though.

[mild saddle]

Where are you getting 2.2k kc?

Seeing numbers around 1k kc for completion in duos or so, considering shards and lockboxes for shards / armor rolls

[tacit wharf]

something thats bugged me since yama update, is that they changed the master scroll book scroll order BUT didnt organize them alphabetically

[narrow folio]

That's crazy. No poll?

[sacred oracle]

yeah if you were already gonna destroy my muscle memory, at least organize it

[austere mulch]

Imagine you’re doing tob speedruns. Rearranging your inventory for p1. You accidentally click (or double click while dragging) surge pot. Now your verzik is effectively ruined bc you’re locked out with the timer not ticking down

Meanwhile you’re still waiting for godbooks to tick down as you do anyways

If they’re going to not allow the cooldown to tick between rooms, they also need to prevent you from being able to click it between rooms

Else it’s just an outright negative experience

[mild saddle]

make drink shift click

[minor whale]

If you're tob speed running you probably shouldn't be making mistakes such as clicking the wrong potion at a bad time tbh

An already niche activity that rewards perfection doesn't need to hand hold you even more to not let you sip a potion wrong

[austere mulch]

People accidentally click scb all the time when dragging

Well, not all the time

But from time to time

The pot not ticking down between rooms was a change that was supposed to “make it less toxic to speedrun” but is an objectively worse change for speedruns and for moneys/overalls

[winged mantle]

Why would your pots be near your gear?

[austere mulch]

Trueee

[austere mulch]

You reorganize your invent prior to different rooms

Namely p1, especially for 3t p1

[winged mantle]

No i mean I do hmt

[nocturne solstice]

If you make a mistake then you reset. Isnt that just like... Normal for speedrunning?

[austere mulch]

Not really, no

If you accidentally sip scb, you’re fine

If you sip 2, yeah you’re gonna have to reset

[nocturne solstice]

You mean everyone just gets world records on their first attempts all the time cause they dont make any misclicks?

Cmon now

[austere mulch]

Wut

[winged mantle]

Put that pot at the bottom of your invent

[austere mulch]

How did you even come to that conclusion lol

[nocturne solstice]

Because you started all this by saying it sucks having to reset from misclicking surge pot

[austere mulch]

But anyways, really just being facetious pointing out that the pot not ticking between rooms is an overall negative for all facets of tob than a positive for anybody

[austere mulch]

Yeah because if you do that, it’s an instant reset no questions asked

Have done plenty raids where someone was dragging scb and mouse double clicked it

You’re good to go

If that happens with surge, you have to reset

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah which im saying is normal for speedrunning in general. One mistake killing the run that is.

Not that every mistake kills the run but mistakes that do is common

[austere mulch]

Yeah, but the goal of making that change was to make speedruns less annoying to do

Per Arcane’s comment on Reddit

[nocturne solstice]

Which comment?

[austere mulch]

The thought process was: waiting between rooms = bad

The reality is in speeds, you’re already waiting between rooms to book, trade, prepare for the room etc + the time spent in room and traveling between rooms

It was a net 90sec increase in wait for teams that had really good trades, less increase for teams that don’t

And the “cost” for that change is making it more toxic to use + significant less useful in money raids

[nocturne solstice]

That comment doesnt mention speedruns or making speeedruns less annoying to do

[winged mantle]

It should start ticking down the moment you drink it. Idk why they made it not do that for tob

[narrow folio]

Just make speedruns count total time?

[nocturne solstice]

I see it mentions intentionally not making them tick down during room transitions or waves to deter you from waiting them out or something? 5th paragraph

[austere mulch]

There are speedruns for both completion and overall

Separately tracked

[narrow folio]

I see

[austere mulch]

5th paragraph “particularly around waiting between rooms”

People on Reddit saying “so now speedruns will afk 5 mins between each room”

Was 99% of the feedback

[nocturne solstice]

"Will be making a change so the cooldown doesn't decrement in these situations"

[austere mulch]

But that’s not the case at all bc in speeds you’re already booking, trading, etc

[austere mulch]

Yes, that’s what I’m saying

that change is a net negative

Both for speedruns and for money raids

[mild saddle]

TM’s right on this one Pingu idk what you’re really arguing

[nocturne solstice]

So why did you quote this as benefitting or "for" speedruns?

[austere mulch]

I quoted it as a negative

[nocturne solstice]

Explain to me since idk what he's saying

[austere mulch]

Arcane made the change in effort to be positive

[narrow folio]

You could have going in and out the raid refresh timer if it doesnt already

[austere mulch]

It creates situations where if someone accidentally clicks a dose before starting p1, raid is over. Ironically this is the situation they wanted to avoid with contracts

[nocturne solstice]

You said here the goal was to make it less annoying to do but now you said you quote it as a negative so its more annoying to do

[austere mulch]

Fundamentally

[mild saddle]

Arcane tried to help, he made it worse, in TM’s opinion

That’s all

[austere mulch]

maybe there was misinterpretation someehere

[narrow folio]

That's called being punished for a mistake no?

[austere mulch]

I’ve said from the beginning, the change is bad. It’s a net negative for both aspects of tob

[nocturne solstice]

I think there was tbh

[austere mulch]

And it has no benefits associated with it

But arcane did it in effort to have it be beneficial

[small anvil]

Can you drink surge on full spec and incur the cool down

[austere mulch]

In the sense that he didn’t want people to wait between rooms in speedruns

[nocturne solstice]

That doesnt explain anything? Im not bashing TMs opinion

[austere mulch]

Which you already do

[narrow folio]

Drinking on full spec should not have a cooldown imo

[small anvil]

Like not being able to drink between rooms is a jank implementation

[mild saddle]

You really are Ping-u lol

[austere mulch]

This is a good idea too

Problem is you’re also godbooking

[small anvil]

Yeah I think that's the fix you want

[austere mulch]

So you’re not full spec

[narrow folio]

Yes

[small anvil]

But like it's just a run impacting mistake

[austere mulch]

So my ask is

[narrow folio]

Maybe just make drinking between tob rooms not have a cooldown

[small anvil]

Partly cuz of anti drag

[austere mulch]

What negative is there to the pot cooldown ticking between rooms

And does that, in anyone’s opinion, outweigh the consequences of it not

[small anvil]

If the expectation is to surge every room

[austere mulch]

Nah it wouldn’t be every room

It’d be 3-4 rooms

Currently you can only do 2

Another really annoying aspect in moneys is that

Horn isn’t worth using at sote without pot

[nocturne solstice]

From what Arcane said it seems intentional to make surge potions more cumbersome to use so they dont feel mandatory for runs

[austere mulch]

But you also can’t pot sote and p1 verzik

And p1 verzik is the number 1 place you want to use it

So you don’t get to use it or horn at sote at all in money raids

Where if it ticked between rooms, you could

[austere mulch]

They’re mandatory regardless for p1 alone unfortunately

For context, it’s a 20s timesave in trios

On p1

[nocturne solstice]

Is it mandatory for non speedruns now?

[narrow folio]

It really helps non scythe trios i bet

[hard axle]

have you seen actual speed setups

that shit is cramped as fk

[nocturne solstice]

I totally get it being needed for speedruns

[hard axle]

especially on freezer roles

I've double sipped divine before at hmt

[nocturne solstice]

But i think the change was a focus on surge not feeling mandatory on non speed

[austere mulch]

Depends how more casual players decide they want to do p1. Triple spec and afk, yeah it’d be mandatory

[hard axle]

might as well just add it in

anyone else making 10m surge potions

[austere mulch]

But for example in efficient money raids

It’s mandatory yeah

Because p1 charts are based on it

[hard axle]

didnt they try this for overloads and it still was used

[nocturne solstice]

Inb4 no surge = kick at wdr

[austere mulch]

Trio p1 goes to 33-37 sec kill range

Down from 40-57

[hard axle]

like, making it cumbersome to make to discourage it

[austere mulch]

In efficient teams

[hard axle]

is

[austere mulch]

In speedrun trio p1 can be 19.8 sec

Which is insane lol

[hard axle]

that's why i was saying they shouldn't even have polled the damn potion if they needed so many restrictions to balance it

ambrosia full heal but you can only use it every 30 minutes

outside toa

[hard axle]

u can't drink on full spec iirc

[austere mulch]

It was perfectly fine as polled imo. At the very least, it was in a less frustrating state as polled

[hard axle]

ive misclicked when i was making them and it says "this would do nothing for u"

[narrow folio]

Great

[hard axle]

u can still fuck up though

[austere mulch]

That said, I’d have voted no if it was polled as it is

[hard axle]

by clicking on 95

after gbing

[austere mulch]

As would have a lot of the end game tobbers I play/talk with

Strictly bc now it feels more like a chore item that has no flexibility in where or how you can use it

[hard axle]

I don't like that they just unilaterally decided to

fuck tob over

people speedrunning and suiciding before the room ends is GOOD for the game

[austere mulch]

Having it not reset on death is great tho bc that’d be toxic af for overalls

[hard axle]

20 death speeds = no purple chance

[austere mulch]

Yeah at least they made that one good change because holy… that would’ve been awful

[hard axle]

it's a lil bit inconsistent

next u know its banned in pvp

for same reason

[tender harness]

Am I hearing nuke the spec pot

[hard axle]

(please)

[tender harness]

Just add it to your prepot device

[chrome lantern]

I haven't seen orbs in p1/p2 in like 5 kills

[narrow folio]

Im just imagining a meta where everyone brings locator orbs and one guy brings a huge stack of araxyte sacks

[austere mulch]

It working in PvP is crazy to me 🤣

[narrow folio]

New definition of you did it to yourselves

[austere mulch]

Also skillers need to play with aid off now when using goblin hammer bc someone can troll them with horn and they’ll get xp

[narrow folio]

LOL

What about skiller irons?

Why isnt there a toggle for irons? Hello?

[austere mulch]

They, to my knowledge, didn’t prevent cox deaths from resetting surge so ppl gonna be dying between phases for no time loss +25…

[austere mulch]

At least for skiller irons, idt there’s anywhere that they can benefit from it where they’d be at risk from being trolled

Level 3s doing slayer is hilarious tho bc you can really get them good 🤣

[hard axle]

look man

we didnt do shit to ourselves

that's the problem

[narrow folio]

I respect it

[hard axle]

I didn't vote yes for spec pot, I skipped oathplate iirc cuz I wanted it to fuse with torva

[narrow folio]

Thats even more broken what the heck!

[austere mulch]

Fuse might have been the best route at the rate these things come into game 🤣

[hard axle]

progression would've been preserved and no drop in vlaue

that's what happened with bandos

and masori/arma

[narrow folio]

Not talking about progression but the sheer powercreep

[austere mulch]

I voted for what was polled and then we got sum different 😭😭

[narrow folio]

Bladed moon was terrible but slash torva is ok?

[austere mulch]

Or maybe not Torva fusion but like

Releasing in broken form and requiring bandos like Torva does

Since it essentially replaces Torva most places

Surely can’t be mad with an extra bandos sink

[narrow folio]

Rip irons

[austere mulch]

True 🤣🤣🤣

[hard axle]

it's not really rip irons

irons would love a more common upgrade if it meant sacrificing their prior bis

masori was a good example of this

if u proposed inq being 3x as common in exchange for sacrificing bandos

how many irons would say no

it's fking bandos

2/327

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/zztxXTrrYCQ?si=B-JjPMaz_FgOUuzc

is this getting too easy? 😅

[narrow folio]

They'll call anything afk these days

[restive siren]

New afk colo strat

[toxic verge]

the strat does make p3 very very easy ngl

[restive siren]

Afk doing barblore on 3 accounts simul

[toxic verge]

tried it as well

[narrow folio]

Without checking the vid is that solo or duo only?

[restive siren]

Duo

[toxic verge]

with this p1 p2 and p3 is making the boss not that challenging to me anymore

[true talon]

This is not afk lmfao what

[toxic verge]

jeez how everyone cannot look past a obviously click bait video title 😅 it is not that thumbnail and title i wanted to discuss but the low effort strat presented in it

like it is not even my video but everyone seems to just reads the first 3 words or something

[restive siren]

I watched it, its good

I can still make fun of it though

[rain fulcrum]

It looks quite afk to me honestly

[knotty herald]

I hope we get jalapenos

[formal sentinel]

It's almost half as AFK as power mining iron

[vivid ruin]

Is it as afk as 2 tick fishing though

[formal sentinel]

I think parts of it are more AFK, cause you'll have 3 tick pauses. But sometimes it's 2 ticks in a row you gotta act.
I think it's more AFK on average, but you probably have to be more present and attentive (more in front of keyboard) to do this more AFK method

[meager flame]

i unironically think they should've just made everything an attachment to torva at this current tier lol

they can make an actual new set and do it all over again later when they're ready to be done with torva

[hard axle]

you know that I've been begging for this every update we get

not an attachment though

[narrow folio]

There's a good reason why they didn't just want to powercreep torva

[hard axle]

sink the prior bis into a material

and upgrade the new item

that way the new update isn't ever hindered by the old update

[narrow folio]

I think it's fair to have this but it's way too easy to get

[chrome lantern]

Why isn't torva an attachment to Inq

[hard axle]

torwinq

[narrow folio]

Avernic treads but melee armor

🤣

[hard axle]

ym but melee armor

[gray ridge]

btw mods i think you guys are reallly bad at ur job that u cant even design a drop table, hope u guys do better to make the game more fair for all. Thx

[meager flame]

i also think they created a very interesting problem

in general with armor lol

its not interesting really its mostly dumb but

[tacit wharf]

not everything needs to piss out mils/hr, thats just bad game design

[gray ridge]

not about gp

[meager flame]

they put the time to obtain number so far out there with torva

that no matter what they do

the next set will be easier to get than torva

[gray ridge]

its about early drop rates being easier and no roll back

[meager flame]

and nex will die

[gray ridge]

they shouldve rolled everyone back with drops

so its all fair

[tacit wharf]

that'd be stupid

[gray ridge]

why

[tacit wharf]

roll back a whole 24-48 hrs

[meager flame]

and its because the time to complete at nex is so insane that they cant really one up that

[gray ridge]

so game integity doesnt matter?

[meager flame]

without people rioting in the streets lol

[tacit wharf]

thing about the other side of that

[meager flame]

i have no idea why they took such an incredibly large leap

from bandos to torva time wise

[gray ridge]

i dont care about it being nerfed

[tacit wharf]

for the other people who werent at yama during that time period

[gray ridge]

i care about it being fair

[meager flame]

welcome to life

[gray ridge]

of course jagex doesnt care about game integrity just money that was my point thx

[tacit wharf]

they cared enough to fix it before the next weeks update

[vivid ruin]

Theres always going to be people who complain no matter what is done

Just deal with it tbh

[gray ridge]

i deal with it by calling jagex shit everywhere i can

[tacit wharf]

well since they cant, i will, i feel yr take is shit, so

[gray ridge]

that is ok

we are all entitled to opinions

[tacit wharf]

glade u agree

[meager flame]

i mean there is nothing fair they could even do

they either let some people get lucky or retroactively waste their time

someone always loses

[gray ridge]

second is more fair to larger player base

[meager flame]

nah its a waste of time ultimately because it doesn't matter

[gray ridge]

doesnt matter = aka game integrity doesnt matter

[vivid ruin]

Im ok with still having 0 yama kc

Because work

And concerts

[meager flame]

its just a weird outlook for a game where its ultimately all rng

i had over 200 kc before the nerf

0 uniques

you can go kill yama right now 1kc and get a unique potentially

[gray ridge]

i agree we can make this skill /grind game 1k minimum kc flat for everything, see who really enjoys easyscape/easy drop rates

[austere mulch]

What if they did inq 2.0

[narrow folio]

Stab armor before anything else

[ember token]

break down justi to combine with inq

[narrow folio]

Why cant justi just be upgraded instead

Become THE tanker

[vivid ruin]

Justi is the nicest armor in game. Pls buff

[austere mulch]

Low def moderate str high accuracy gear | high str high def gear

[hard axle]

because fuckwads don't understand that justi is underpowered as fuck due to it not working on upwards of 30% of sources

and think justi is too op

reminder old dinhs was fundamentally worthless in pvm until they made it dps-oriented

[narrow folio]

I like the dinhs pvm use now but I am pissed about its mage defense nerf

[cursive vector]

any news on when they fixing the shit-show that is surge pots in tob?

also the shit-show that is contract aquisition?

(asking for a friend)

[tacit wharf]

as soon as people learn to read

[cursive vector]

so never? 😦

[tacit wharf]

[sinful field]

yama is pretty much the only boss id go dry on the pet and not be sad
very fun

[meager flame]

people would just go crazy honestly lol

like

jagex basically hit the upper limit of what anyone will accept with nex rates

so like

whenever they do replace torva its just going to be the same or faster

and nex is gonna be dead

unless they want to make torva the longest upgrade chain of all time

its interesting because they're building that trap for themselves in several locations

[icy relic]

I don't get why they have to die on a hill regarding inq

it's good content, just fix the drop rates

[austere mulch]

just need more ppl to pot it and talk about how annoying it is to not tick down between rooms

[austere mulch]

At least arcane said on Reddit that he doesn’t think they’ll ever release drop rates like nm again lmao

Would be hilarious tho

If nm drops were actually good, it wouldn’t be thaaaat big of a deal

[meager flame]

i kinda see their solution long term but

its gonna make people mad when it happens

basically jagex is going to have to be real with themselves and kind of reset the expectations in terms of like

hours to complete

[austere mulch]

This too

[meager flame]

and how they do that is probably just coming in and decimating the older rates and making them a lot easier

[austere mulch]

Ranger boots > pegs > treads is a huge one

[meager flame]

so they have space to work with

in terms of making things take a little more effort etc

[austere mulch]

Also not giving pegs 1 str and putting all 3 str on to treads is craaaazy

[meager flame]

like they could just cut the time to complete torva down by like

idk

70%

now they have plenty of space to work with

lmao but thats going to be a project rebalance to remember

[austere mulch]

Time for Torva is like… 140 hours? Or something

Assuming ehb *

[meager flame]

yeah they're basically just going to have to yeet some older stuffs rates

so that they can put new stuff in its place

or i suppose just release things that are simply faster

and kill the content like nex

same thing with ancestral rates

they're kinda stuck and cant make something take more effort than that

[austere mulch]

Yeah locked in bc if time for completion is made to be longer than Torva, bc it’s better, than ppl will be pissed. And by making it less time, you tank Torva unless you use Torva as a component

The inevitable

Huge believer in ripping the band aid off sooner than later but bit too late for that

[meager flame]

stuff like this is a lot easier in more traditional mmos

because you sort of just get so much stronger that your generalized power creep sort of solves the problem for you

and players are just automatically able to do things a lot faster over time

so you can constantly release new content with the same amount of targeted time to complete it

but in osrs our characters just dont get that much stronger that quickly

like lol

if something took 70 hours and the next content update is planned for 70 hours as well thats fine

because by the time that drops 6 months later players will be 100% stronger

and the old content will take 35

[hard axle]

melee loses again. ranged gets 3, melee gets jack shit

[vivid ruin]

Feels wierd seeing gear like bandos/arma being phased out

[hard axle]

that's how u kill a mmo

rendering dead content

has happened in a few mmos that I played

[meager flame]

jagex is gonna have to get really clever soon though

they have that sort of looming problem everywhere

and its not like they can just stop producing updates

[vivid ruin]

Theyre going to need to add to gwd here shortly as was suggested. New bosses like ralos/guthix

[hard axle]

they have the solution already, which is just upgrading existing content

and fusing items together to make the new drop

[meager flame]

yeah the upgrades kinda work

[hard axle]

it's really not that hard

[meager flame]

but

they tend to make content thats like

a little harder or a little more challenging than what came before when they replace something

but because they're filling in so many gaps they're going to run into a problem where they want to make like

a boss for mid game players to continue progressing with

but there is no space left

so we're gonna start getting mid game rewards that replace items that were previously a lot harder to get

like the noxious halberd pretty much replacing saeldor

[hard axle]

It doesn't pose an issue if a content has rewards that exceed the difficulty level IF the items use up older items

[meager flame]

an example of this could be

[hard axle]

you don't have to worry as much about drop rates and balance in that sense

[meager flame]

what if the next upgrade compontent for torva

is actually easier to get than torva

[hard axle]

that's fine if this is how it works:

the item dropped works by itself

you sink torva to upgrade it

tada

[meager flame]

yeah but then they're in the spin cycle with players

and they're gonna be like

"we need end game content that matters!"

[hard axle]

masori and masori (f) is by far the best system they've tried

[meager flame]

it seems like they're going to get sucked into basically releasing content to fix content that needs more content released to fix that lol

sort of accelerating power creep basically

[hard axle]

it can be a minor increase for the most part

as long as it sinks the old item and gives some increase

ur fine

[meager flame]

like they're already making questionable choices

[hard axle]

for example, torva 2.0 could start out with +5 str and then when u sink torva, it becomes +8 or +10.

[meager flame]

the slash armor we have atm is making it super obvious that we need stab armor and probably a crush weapon

[hard axle]

that way it's still useable as a very good drop

[meager flame]

otherwise our slash niche gear is kinda closer to our default setup

jagex does need to just get better with pacing themselves in general though

they seem to go through these crazy cycles where they get scared and release no power creep until people are mad

then they react and drop a million bosses raids etc

[hard axle]

that's where negatives are traditionally supposed to help with, but we just dont have negatives this time around because people didn't want it on inq

[meager flame]

then get scared again

they need to settle on some kind of expected cadence for how many new end game items they'll make every year

[hard axle]

ever since they added toa, i stopped caring about +1 max hit every now and then, especially on melee

[hasty shard]

give faceguard stab bonus :)

[meager flame]

ya that was the last freak out kinda lol

the nex and toa release window

and we're headed into another one now probably

with how mad people were getting at the delve rewards and suddenly yama appeared etc

[hard axle]

nex was mostly fine imo

torva isnt as strong as its price point makes it out to be

for speedrunners its good, but for the average joe, it's nowhere near as impactful as the release of masori or future ancy set for shadow

[true talon]

Horn appearntly is not usable on yourself as an iron

[chrome lantern]

It's not ever usable by yourself

It definitely works though

[austere mulch]

Invention was genuinely a good add to rs3

Don’t think OSRS needs a carbon copy, but something similar is prob better than whatever sailing amounts to be (which is why I like shamanism)

Also maybe OSRS gets GWD2 and GWD1 items can kinda be left for what they are, which are mid game gear sets

[kind surge]

gwd2 could be possible depending on how the next quests go for the dragonkin/mahjarrat storyline

[austere mulch]

FYI death in cox resets spec pots, so meta is purposely dying between olm phases to get additional spec

But it’s “not ok” for the cooldown to tick down between rooms at tob 😭

[austere mulch]

Would be cool, but surely will be “more rs3 in OSRS” complaints lol

[kind surge]

I mean there's a ton of parallels right now

what people won't like are more direct ports (which yeah that is pretty lazy)

gwd2 as it is in rs3 won't come to osrs, but just the idea of a successor dungeon to gwd1 is cool

[hard axle]

I would straight up rebuild all of the progression pathways

[ember token]

yeah I think some day we will get an OSRS take on a gwd2

Zeah God Wars: Xeric, Yama, Ralos+Ranul (if they're even real, otherwise some other Varlamore representative, maybe a very powerful nagua, maybe an Old One that's still alive, I imagine with the Final Dawn we might get a better idea as to who could represent Varlamore here), and (hear me out) Nomad

fighting over the Dark Altar

[kind surge]

I like that

though who would be the nex equivalent

[chrome lantern]

Hopefully nothing ever replicates Nex

[ember token]

the nex equivalent would be the dark altar itself

it's actually manipulated everyone all along to get each group to bring it something it needs

Xeric with the [[soul stone]], Nomad with the soul obelisk (or more specifically, all the souls Nomad has collected through soul wars), Yama with something perhaps shadow realm related, Varlamore representative with idk, some artifact of the old ones

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Soul_Stone

[ember token]

the manipulaters become the manipulated as none of them knew the Dark Altar was actually a living thing

[tacit wharf]

hmm needs some polishing

[ember token]

when the altar gets everything, the big floating crystal in the center starts to crack open... revealing Zaros, who has reformed his body

[hasty shard]

would honestly be fire if

oh right 'ancient' shards lmfao

[ember token]

i know... i cooked

[lament peak]

don't believe their lies

[nocturne solstice]

where oathplate?

[hard axle]

That’s racism against bad rng havers

[soft vale]

feel free to provide feedback if you have any other yama tutorials you'd like to see

If you haven't done Yama at all yet, use this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpCcHL0ZMrc
After a few KC, use this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtfa91NNlA&t=461s

[nocturne solstice]

Hey there! We actually have a specific channel for promoting your own content at #videos-and-streams! If you could post your content there instead in the future that would be appreciated

[obsidian venture]

The tiger comeback 😭

[plush gull]

hey can u make a tutorial with no mega/demonbane? thanks

[jovial sentinel]

The tutorial can start by you doing wgs and getting demonbane

[plush gull]

nah it should start by explaining mechanics for low HP DH and how high his melee chip damage can hit

[plush gull]

does this work if u just punch instead of dh and send 3 trident hits instead of 3 punches for flare?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JARtbRNkAH0

seems like too many switches to try to 2 hit sang while doing it

o just heart+sang is enough to 2 hit if i get 99 mage

[soft vale]

Thank you sir, will keep that in mind.

[soft vale]

I ran your suggestion by my production crew. They advised doing 2 hrs of quests for demonbane. Other than that it's the 70m for synapse. If there's a reason you can't do the wgs quest, can you let me know what kind of quest-locked account build you're running?

[plush gull]

pures cant do it, do u know any clips of someone soloing yama on a pure even with a mega

im sure its possible but ive been having trouble finding any vods and ideally id like to see a 50-60 attack pure with no shadow do it

[soft vale]

Yes, I have a friend who runs a 45 def pure and he did wgs this past week. Something about not having to collect the experience from tears of guthix. Pure was fine and received no def exp. I run a 75 atk 1 def pure and won't be risking it myself, but he got it on his zerk.

[plush gull]

oh wow

thats neat

[soft vale]

We did run a double pure yama duo but I didn't know mechanics at the time so I can revisit that if you need. It was the zerk with a purging staff and my 1 def with a shadow.

[plush gull]

i wanna try to adapt donofly to 2 sang hits but first i need wanna getarclight charges to do first 2 phases for a couple hours

[soft vale]

You'd adapt the 5-tick scythe method to an 8-tick sang cycle?

[plush gull]

nah idk what im doing first id probably try stepping away from yama on certain ticks like verzik to see how the method even works

[plush gull]

theres finally a 60 att pure clip posted on reddit now and they didnt even do wgs

[hasty shard]

pog

[plush gull]

they didnt even bother to use accursed sceptre for enrage void flares, just 2 shadow hits, plenty of time

[hasty shard]

accursed splashes which is why

they'll never fix this bug 🥹

i swear

[plush gull]

i bet 3 trident hits works too, its only 2 more ticks and they werent bothering to stand close for hit delay

[hasty shard]

need max + sang i think

[narrow oriole]

Hi, is tumeken better at yama or purg staff?

[hasty shard]

purging

either way you want purging to deal with orbs faster

[narrow oriole]

thanks

[plush gull]

even just saturated heart+sang is enough to 2 hit at 98 mage (36x2=72)

i guess i can try trident now, just have to whip yama to death with the umm double orb tech

double glypth tech

[plush gull]

whats the veng tech from the update post btw? do i just veng the specials and they work even though damage is reduced from glyph?

[hasty shard]

dont use fire sigil p2, tick veng meteor ig

[plush gull]

dont u need 121 hp to tick eat that

does it even work since u cant heal above 121

[hasty shard]

i assume its just like soteg ball

you can also step 2 tiles away to reduce the damage

does mean less veng dmg tho

[plush gull]

they really need to update zeah ive spent 10 mins trying to find a bank and im out of run energy trying to escape the narrow dark altar corridor which is blocked on all sides by invisible walls 😭

[true talon]

@winter hearth unaware if this known, but if you teleport from yami with a metor or shadow attack inbound it will kill you. this could be bad for hcim lol.

i didnt have time for the glyph so i teleported an i ended up dead in my house. but i didnt actually die.

[ember token]

yeah you didnt die so it doesnt actually kill you

[true talon]

Well it showed up as a death in my death tracker channel

no other damage goes though teleports

[ember token]

which is a plugin? which probably tracks when your hp hits 0 rather than when you actually die

[true talon]

im try it without a safe death zone like house

Seems to only hit you if you teleport house

if you teleport anywhere considered dangerous the damage is nulled

But cant you lose status if you die in your house?

Also please for the love of god, make yama transition at his correct % (66) and (33) and also unlock your inventory when you teleport.....

[plush gull]

is this the right timing if i had 1 less hp

[true talon]

Phases at 33% btw, i was getting my mage gear on so this meteor shouldnt happened lol.....

[plush gull]

kinda crazy that u dont get spec on death

[winged mantle]

It doesn't phase exactly at 66% or 33%

It should tho

[fossil epoch]

Doesnt really feel like it makes sense that Yama poisons you, except by the fact Krill also does this.
Is it just a way to reduce inventory/Sanfew relevans?

[slender vapor]

They did it specifically to punish irons without an abundance of antipoison++ or sanfews

At least super anti's are free

[true talon]

It is meant to phase at 33 and 66 but its not, because dunno why lol.

its obviously coded to phase at those %'s

[ember token]

it's coded so he phases the first special attack he uses after reaching 66% and 33%

[true talon]

if that was true, why did he meteor me when below 32% lol

[slender vapor]

Did you run a train on him in between special attacks?

[ember token]

because you got him below 33% too late

[hard axle]

Hell yes

die die die

[tender harness]

Yama base loot is

Why so bad

[slender vapor]

Oath shards are supposed to make up for that

Because people keep crying about pvm supplies coming from pvm

[tacit pendant]

Oath shards drops very good

[tender harness]

The most exciting thing I've gotten was onyx Bolt tips

Otherwise literally its been fucking pies, rune chain bstaves or 1 dose pots

Which is cringe

[tender harness]

PvM can't drop PvM supplies
But skilling also can't be good

This community man

[tacit pendant]

I dont think anyone in the community is against skilling being good

[jovial sentinel]

its because you have 2 different sides of the community wanting whats best for them, with no concern for the other

[tacit pendant]

Just jagex at this point

[fossil epoch]

I think Yamas regular loot is fine, its not abbundant OP and its 10 not bass

[tender harness]

They already killed shale for money making

[jovial sentinel]

and youtubers/streamers having an opinion that isnt necessarily right/wrong dictating a lot of those opinions

ideally, pvm wouldnt give pvm supplies. but also ideally crafting/gathering those supplies would be fun for those people, and not take magnitudes longer than you get spending them

[tender harness]

Yama feels like a reskinned dt2 boss with its loot

[vivid ruin]

They need to grow a pair and ignore people. Fix/design things based on what they were designed for

[tender harness]

But with out the kick in the nuts of bronze items

[jovial sentinel]

they do, but thats not going to happen. its been really obvious lately

[fossil epoch]

idk dt2 had the high amount of d legs/skirts and decent supply of dragon ammo

it is "decently" similar i guess

but it also just has its unique non clog uniques

[slender vapor]

Oh shit, irons have a decent source of wrath runes pre 95 rc now

👀

[fossil epoch]

yeh

well

not decent no

[slender vapor]

Just gotta get yama done before too far into slayer

[jovial sentinel]

wrath runes can be used on something useful now!

[fossil epoch]

1/90 to get 800

so like on average youre gonna get like 4800

when you get full outfit

[jovial sentinel]

how much prayer exp is that?

[wooden harbor]

weren't we told spec pot timer wouldnt reset on death for raids atleast?
seems like it does reset at cox 💀

[tender harness]

That's yama
And duke respectively

They're somewhat similar

[fossil epoch]

somewhat yes, but idk it just seems like a good way to make a droptable

and its different

more different from eachother than the dt2 ones compared to eachother

[hard axle]

I like the pies

trip extenders are always welcome

Got something like a 11 kill trip the yesterday

[lusty patio]

So far as we know, is the purifying sigil made from the pieces of the 5 contracts consumed on use? Or can we use 1 sigil to recolor all oathplate pieces?

Wouldn’t make sense to have to create 3 sigils in order to recolour each piece surely

[fossil epoch]

its 5 sigil pieces, so you probably need to get all 5, to make the full sigil, that full sigil should be able to recolour all pieces infinte

wouldnt be surprised if it consumed soul runes or aether runes, same way blorva needs blood

[true talon]

Contracts are another problem for sure 1/40 to get the book then you can legit just get teleport scrolls XD

[fossil epoch]

well the Yama only contracts are just the pet chance or the 100% item drops, so thats just increased gp/hr really
and the sigil ones can all be gained by the regular demons aswell, so its not as gatekept as the gp drops

[sacred cove]

You guys think they forgot to adjust the XP of logs on bonfire? Seems like such an easy change, can't imagine they would not have done it already when the poll ended a month ago

[green pewter]

No they havent forgotten its just a lower priority update

I agree its dumb they couldnt/didnt implement it immediately

[sacred cove]

I'm trying afk train wc and fm at the same time, get it together jagex

[hard axle]

Exit option at Yama so we don't have to run all the way back to entrance ty.

[chrome lantern]

It is crazy the quick leave makes you run all the way to it

[austere mulch]

Claws are still bugged with horn btw. Blog says it works with the second accuracy roll of the spec, meaning your min hit in max gear while potted should be 0-17-8-9

But we are still hitting 0-0-1-1

Meaning we are missing all 4 acc rolls of the spec. It appears that it’s just giving 100% to the typical 50% change of hitting 0-0-0-0 or 0-0-1-1 at the end after missing all 4 rolls

If this is appropriate to tag a mod in, please lmk

[tender harness]

Delete surge pot

Thx

[plush gull]

so annoying that u cant tick eat specials and cant always have glyphs for specials if u use 2 for nullifying flares

would be a fun fight if u could just tick redemption specials while punching him to death

[iron steeple]

Did jagex release avernic treads?

[plush gull]

no

[iron steeple]

When will they come

[green pewter]

With varlamore pt 3

This summer

[iron steeple]

They mentioned any date?

[green pewter]

Nope only thing we have is roadmap that says varla pt3 is in summer

[iron steeple]

Got u

Thx

[plush gull]

man they really wrote "aspirational challenges" on the roadmap... these contracts better be 1 use to perma unlock

oathplate contracts are 80m, if u just want to 1 HP DH the fight for fun, and die within a minute every time, it costs 5b per hour... or over $3k USD with US bonds per hour, just to play the game

should be satire

[formal sentinel]

Hopefully noone learned from Yama, and after Synapse prices settle back down, they shoot back up to this same price for Delve release

[minor whale]

Confused what you mean by this, 80m for a possibility at what is insinuating guaranteed oathplate drop is going to obviously be crazy expensive

[green pewter]

Yeah the oathplate recolor contracts are like 2-3 mil last I checked
Which is still pretty expensive but their price will drop

[true talon]

Less than 10% of the badluck protection in 109 kills.... lol k

[hard axle]

tass going on-rate for once = tragedy

[vivid ruin]

Why are we risk fighting yama

[meager flame]

yo this is actually kinda terrible im ngl

yama should've had perfect kill drops

[analog crow]

Worse loot per kill than vorkath

[vivid ruin]

Does Ghommels hilt remain attached to defender after new CA's are released even if it knocks you back down a tier?

[chrome lantern]

Yes but you can't use it

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[vivid ruin]

Next question is, can i detach

[chrome lantern]

Yes

I've done it many times

[vivid ruin]

Thank you 🙏

[vocal harness]

I think rate is 600 solos or 1200 duos

Basically drop rate of 1 piece

[minor whale]

Well
Drop rate of any specific piece

You're expected to have 2 pieces drop by the time you get shards for the 3rd

It's a pretty good system

[austere mulch]

Just don’t get the same piece twice 🤣

[formal sentinel]

Pretty sure it's 450, ignoring box drops

[vernal socket]

i am doing araxxor boss, before the update i was using the ballista for hitting the eggs when its pop out and finish it in 1 hit now after the yama update iam doing the same but the little spider not dying from 1 hit ballista any news or update about that?

[narrow folio]

missing a swap or helm unimbued or something?

[vernal socket]

lol yea just forgot about me losing slayer helm at wildy and needed to do it imbued it again lmao

[timber crow]

this question again @vernal socket ??? i already answered u a few days ago

[wide badger]

What seems to be a normal kill time at yama without bis gear?

[austere mulch]

Depends how far from bis you’re talking

Also if you’re meleeing or maging

[lament peak]

having one player spec with seercull seems to help in mage duos

[formal sentinel]

Accursed > Seercull

Unless you mean Accursed, then Seercull

[lament peak]

oh tru im an iron though and haven't done wildy bosses yet

[vivid ruin]

They drop from revs

Well the skull from vet ion

[hollow pumice]

duo i've been seeing just under 5 minutes, solo is around 10

[hard axle]

That seems high for arclight duo

[hollow pumice]

that was not even using melee tbf

[hard axle]

Donofly?

Ah

Donofly duo alone saves like 30-50s

[hollow pumice]

i'm sure 3-4 is more than doable if you tank properly

[hard axle]

Because ur dps levels are doubled

[hasty shard]

whats average duo times max?

[hard axle]

2:30-3:00

[hasty shard]

ic

almost doesnt sound worth it vs solo melee

[hard axle]

No dono melee is 3:30

Easily

[hasty shard]

granted couldve gotten uber lucky but my solo melee kill was 5 minutes flat

without dono

and being uber scuffed

[true talon]

duo melee is very chill

even on scuffed kills its like 3:10

solo is just to much effort for hardly any reward. because the base loot is absolute trash.

[hasty shard]

honestly i think your rng is just actually fucked 😭

i kinda feel like i'm being rewarded enough doing solos, but ive also been at the bosses that flip you off and drop fuck all the past two years

2x bloodied blow contracts

[lament peak]

my duo partner has around the same # of shards and got a chestplate drop 🤷‍♀️ if i had to guess im not lucky nor unlucky atm

[chrome lantern]

I mean rng is rng

Those were duos

This is like 20 solos and rest duo

[lament peak]

luckyyy! i've never been spooned a single thing on my account i swear im cursed

[solid shadow]

Jagex should add a smash butterfly jar option, would be such a nice qol change

[frail bough]

He's stealing my drops

[plush gull]

so it turns out u actually can 1 HP DH p1 yama, but its rng based. if you get flares as 2nd special, gotta reset cuz no matter how perfect u are with glyphs, gonna tank a special

normally fine otherwise as long as ur careful to always proc the glyph u only have 2 of as early as possible (the earliest possible tick for the flare is 1 tick before u would click prayers for his 2nd attack)

also gotta step back every 8 ticks, 2 ticks before his animation would play obviously

not sure how p2 glyph rng works since it takes over 10 minutes to phase naked with an addy cbow

[wispy current]

anyone else feel like the new 3t mining method at yama could be a little bit better. im 75 mining getting 30k/h.

[ember token]

its primarily a moneymaking method

[slender vapor]

"It's not a method for exp" was the justification

[wispy current]

yeah i get that. idk i thought it was a cool intro to tick manip but the xp is dreadful

[slender vapor]

The better exp it is the more people do it and the less money you make from it

You can't get both good exp and good profit

Realistically it'll be bot and iron content in a month

[wispy current]

who knows how long it will be as profitable as it is. plus i don't think a little better xp is too much to ask for. there arent a lot of good mining activities out there. i just think this one could be a little better xp wise

[slender vapor]

I agree with you, but better exp will lead to more people leveling with it

[wispy current]

not a bad thing! what else is there? every other mining method is brain off

[slender vapor]

Is a bad thing when it creates way more supply of the mats people are buying and drives the price to the floor

Needing to sweat for less exp than stars keeps people from using it to level, as directly designed

[ember token]

all the ones you're willing to do are brain off

[slender vapor]

Volcanic mine is high key slept on

[wispy current]

bro the only other mining that is more interactive is actual 3t4g

[slender vapor]

Volcanic mine

100k exp an hour for 0 tick manip

Relatively easy to learn too

[wispy current]

does anyone actually care if these ores arent profitable? skilling has never really been profitable most ppl just want the lvls then pce. might as well make it a funish method with balanced xp rates

[ember token]

the whole point of them is being profitable

its why they exist

[slender vapor]

People are sick of skilling being no profit

[hasty shard]

idk we have rune ore already for that

[slender vapor]

That's why this exists

Shale is like 5m an hour ATM

[wispy current]

honestly suprised it hasnt been botted yet

skilling is doomed to be negative gp forever

[hasty shard]

why

[tough shoal]

did a hotfix or something happen yesterday?

[ember token]

#game-news

[tough shoal]

i am asking because between yesterday and today my dancers stopped working:

because this ain't normal

[dim ridge]

how are you surviving a fire glyph?

[ember token]

tick eating

[austere mulch]

whatever mod Arcane did to dragon claws and horn, he literally broke dragon claws

the second roll when you pass the second accuracy check doesn't exist at all anymore

[hard axle]

jesus christ

they should've just let it all pass accuracy check to not break it

[austere mulch]

he literally made dragon claws a bad spec weapon

to the extent that voidwaker is better just about everywhere until this is fixed

including tob

[chrome lantern]

Is this also for burning claws

I don't have them but curious

[austere mulch]

only checked dragon because theyve been feeling notably worse on everything

[chrome lantern]

Understandable

[austere mulch]

in his defence, dclaw code is probably so jank that touching any of it was bound to break it, but also he just shouldnt have touched it in hte first place 💀

[mild saddle]

not touching it was too obvious

[plush gull]

it does 0 if ur 1 hp

also i found a foodless method to avoid bad RNG, but i need to get 96 prayer to do it while camping 1 hp

p1 specials cant be tick eaten and i was getting really tired of resetting if i got flares as 2nd special so i spent the past several hours on that

[austere mulch]

its also kinda hard to track with bclaws bc it always distributes dmg between all 3 splats except on a miss, so you need to actually watch the total dmg and not the rolls

just did about 30specs and was like "oh wait, this wont work"

[plush gull]

if the p2 fireball can really be tick eaten (p1 cant) then this should mean foodless magicless yama is doable

someone send me a clip of someone tick eating p2 fireball if possible, im going bed soon

[austere mulch]

Instead of making it so horn only works for the second accuracy check, he probably accidentally made it so the second accuracy check only happens when you’re under horn buff

Is what it looks like

[chrome lantern]

Just reported this bug but I opened a Dossier and it says, "You open the forgotten lockbox"

Also screw chasm teleport scrolls

Why do they exist

Just to troll dossiers

[ember token]

yeah its already known and fixed next week

[chrome lantern]

Oh ok

Hopefully also going to fix the fact you can even get them from Dossiers ;)

Ok this really isn't funny

I get b2b and it's MORE scrolls

[minor whale]

Hahahahahahahaha

[slender vapor]

Jesus

[plush gull]

hope they make entering yama give spec too

[fossil epoch]

enter yama

[hard axle]

Oh, I found a way to break the Yama instance

If you join as someone tps out

Your screen is permanently blacked out until you world hop

[hard axle]

I hate how these literally don’t bring you downstairs

For the amount of scrolls you get as a drop, it should be GOOD

And how rare they are

If they only bring you outside chasm, they should be like 5-10 a drop.

[mild saddle]

i hadn’t gotten one yet, it’s basically fairy ring tele? Lmao

Trolling your dossier drop with that is brutal

[meager flame]

my favorite part is where they noted that they were going to increase contract rates because its currently so insane its not even a reasonable guess pre release

but let us sit all weekend racking up probably hundreds of kc first

lmao

ngl though

after learning pretty much everything people are currently doing to the boss

i cant help but feel like this boss was more fun when i didnt know how it works

which is weird because usually its the opposite

[hard axle]

yes

basically

[meager flame]

there is one weird thing that i wish they would change

well two

[hard axle]

it's...

like, this is so hard to balance

[meager flame]

the first is that im pretty sure the red fire glyph does more damage to you the closer yama is standing to it

[hard axle]

contracts rarity

[meager flame]

so if you have a mage friend while you melee it pretty much just hits them 2

but if you're solo melee

[hard axle]

either its worthless and shouldn't exist because contracts are super common

[meager flame]

welcome to getting hit a 12

[hard axle]

OR

it's rare as shit and worth something, but terrible for replayability

[meager flame]

i guess i could also just run for the hills to hit the fire glyphs but

i'd rather not catch a meteor to the head doing that

so it ends up just being chip damage that sucks

and not being able to swap gear during the teleport animations

is really annoying after hundreds of kc

the thing about contracts tome

is that we already know it sucks