game-update

[minor whale]

There's a line that all the shadow walls cross at, running from the back of the room towards the throne
If you stand on that axis you dodge both flame walls at once, stay in melee distance of Yama, and it doesn't spawn flame bombs

[idle rapids]

ya mama

[minor whale]

When the flames crisscross is 6 tiles from you click the back wall and you'll skip them

[hard axle]

got clip or tile?

[minor whale]

Or if it's just a single wall whenever the flame physically touches that 6th tile

Uh one sec

[{"regionId":6045,"regionX":30,"regionY":33,"z":0,"color":"#FF5F5F5F"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":30,"regionY":31,"z":0,"color":"#FF5F5F5F"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":30,"regionY":29,"z":0,"color":"#FF5F5F5F"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":30,"regionY":27,"z":0,"color":"#FF5F5F5F"}]

So there's 4 tiles there

The one closest to the throne is the one you stand on by default

When the flames crisscross or intersect the 3rd highlighted tile from the throne, that's when you click

If you stay melee range he never spawns fireballs

[hard axle]

I see

[minor whale]

It definitely makes it a little less hectic

But sometimes you'll have to dodge then run back and dodge again nearly tick perfectly because the waves come so fast

If you run back too early you actually run into the walls again lmao

Too late and you don't actually have time to skip when they cross the tile

[mild saddle]

where people at? boss looks a little underwhelming

feels a bit overhyped

[hard axle]

pet hunters just started hopping back in

but yes, its definitely less than pnm

[mild saddle]

lol i did see that

they really thought they were killing it with the contract idea

you can definitely see how the major focus on solo-play limited the duo encounter

[slender vapor]

Everything before enrage phase seems oddly easy

[tender harness]

what?

[sinful field]

yama is AWESOME
most fun ive had in so long
ty jagex

[mild saddle]

there's just no team focus

[sinful field]

its over 2x as fast in a team

[mild saddle]

lack of potential for roles, you just kinda solo next to each other

[tender harness]

the fight is literally 2x in a team

[mild saddle]

huh

i don't care about the kill time

i'm talking about gameplay

[minor whale]

Duo is definitely better than solo

[mild saddle]

for sure

doesn't really matter though

[minor whale]

Solo literally doesn't scale anything down and there's definitely team elements

This isn't like ToA removing mechanics

[mild saddle]

i'm talking about how there's very little coordination or roles or anything interesting

[sinful field]

you have one person use purple glyph to tank waves and save the other for actual spec, pretty team based to me

[tender harness]

again what are you talking about

[minor whale]

There's definitely roles and coordination I really have no idea what you mean

Lmfao

[mild saddle]

what're the two roles?

[tender harness]

I mean I shit post from time to time, but you sir are

[mild saddle]

there's no ranger, or mager, or tank, or differnet gameplay

[tender harness]

[mild saddle]

same inventories

same gear

[tender harness]

this game doesnt have a fucking trinity like that

[mild saddle]

we have tob

they pulled it off there

[tender harness]

you have to be shit posting

[slender vapor]

Just release tob 2

[tender harness]

like legit

[mild saddle]

i was excited for 3 encounters from one boss, solo, duo role 1, duo role 2

but we got one, yama

[sinful field]

tob doesnt need roles, you can solo it
is basically the same as your argument against yama.
like you can solo but itll suck ass

[river forge]

can we get the mining rock golem pet from shale? i havent seen anything about it anywhere.

[sinful field]

its a team fight

[minor whale]

Yeah this is shitposting for sure

[mild saddle]

yeah but the team encounters DO have roles

[minor whale]

It's absolutely not identical across teams and solos and you absolutely can bring different gear setups to force roles
Max melee bis dps but someone for final phase bringing max mage and doing all the glyphs while meleer tanks is really fucking good

[sinful field]

https://tenor.com/view/text-gif-25230823

[mild saddle]

idk looks fine, just underwhelming

[minor whale]

Have you done it

[mild saddle]

yeah it was fine

[tender harness]

so you're just basing opinions off of looks?

[mild saddle]

a little surpised how easy it was

learning the melee P3 stuff once good players figure it out will be cool

for now i just mage P3

[sinful field]

in fairness it does seem a little easy to be endgame, but still its a team based boss even without roles

[mild saddle]

i just wish there was more emphasis on it is all

[tender harness]

you dont get it, if it doesnt have roles it cant be duo so make it solo

[mild saddle]

we just have a trend of this

toa also lacked roles as an emphasis

just think they could've done more

[slender vapor]

Toa has 2 roles. The carry, and the planker

[tender harness]

[slender vapor]

The planker will plank even with a shadow in a 300

[tender harness]

if only they would I dunno scale down the duo mechanics in solo

but naw thats effort

[slender vapor]

Fwiw grinding Yama still seems like a better alternative to grinding nex

[minor whale]

They shouldn't scale down at all

Duo being best because it's the lowest it goes is perfect

[vestal jetty]

But not for long when the bots start doing this the prices will drop insane

[slender vapor]

Sounds like a normie issue

[mild saddle]

this is day1 stuff i'm expecting, looks like he mosly spawns orbs when he melees you so if you flinch on his 8t(?) cycle, you can dodge them

[minor whale]

If he doesn't do orbs he does fireball attacks

We tried flinching

If you weren't in range when his attack procced he'd do bombs

And those are way more annoying than orbs

[mild saddle]

fireballs seem dodgeable, it's day1 but i'd bet a specific set of movements to be figured out relatively quickly

i'm not in the lab for that, i just camp mage P3, but i can see how people will find it

the fireballs drop the same way every time afaik

[still garden]

How far off of the shadow walls do we need to be standing when we run through so we don’t take damage. They’re killing me

[sacred skiff]

What are the mechanics for whether he does a mage attack or a ranged attack in P3?
Wiki says pray mage for one attack after fireballs start, but it seems to me he often still maybe does a ranged attack first. And he seems to sometimes do a mage attack just cuz in the middle of waves when he hasn't done fireballs recently

[mild saddle]

the ones you run through?

[still garden]

Yeah

I’m really hit or miss with when I’m successful

[mild saddle]

they feel like zebak waves to me

[still garden]

I don’t usually run thru those

[mild saddle]

yeah it's not typical but you can

it's further in front than you'd think

[small anvil]

Zebak ones are slower right?

[still garden]

2 tiles you think? Or 3

[mild saddle]

more 2

i kinda feel it in my balls tho tbf

just eyeballing

[small anvil]

Is it same speed as Huey waves

[mild saddle]

are they the same? they feel easier to me

[still garden]

Haven’t bothered w huey yet. Will eventually get to him on the iron maybe but it’s pointless for my main

[mild saddle]

i guess it's easier to tell where these actually are compared to huey which takes up a few tiles visually

[true talon]

They dont have roles.
roles were player created to help make the content easier. its not something enforced.

There is a difference in a role system like BA were its required and a player created role system that helps the content be easier like tob.

[formal sentinel]

1-2 tiles. Click on the wave when it's within distance you can get to in 1 tick

If it's like other ones at least

You're probably trying to get to behind the wall as you see it, rather than where it will be on the next tick after you move

Anyone know if all melee weapons max hit on lil Yama, or if it's just demonbane?

[pearl tangle]

So does a greater demon task not affect Yama?

[slender vapor]

By design yes

[simple flax]

Is there dupe protectiion on the armour?

[slender vapor]

Soft protection, by the time you have 2-3 pieces you can make the last one you're missing yourself

[true talon]

@winter hearth is it intended that solo only gets half loot, despite providing total contribution of 2 players? royal titans does not do this. or is the wiki just wrong about the amount of loot you get. but looking at wiki and all the kills ive obeserved the loot appears to be halfed if solo. this was a problem on royal titans release, which was later fixed.

[slim coyote]

Reinstalling Jagex Launcher worked for me. If anyone else still has that problem

[pearl tangle]

My question ?

[minor yew]

Anyone know how much helm is?

[green pewter]

Yama does not count for a greater demon task

[meager flame]

im pretty sure solo gets full loot

[sacred skiff]

I got 40 worms in a duo and 90 worms in a solo

But that's just a single data point lol

[meager flame]

kind of a random metric but 40 emeralds in my solo but 20-23 in my duos

[marsh kettle]

I've got 850 aether catalyst twice* in solo, think you just get 100% of the loot 😮

[true talon]

maybe it was fixed, i saw woox get 500 souls. and in a duo saw someone get 500 souls.

[hard axle]

duo probably died

[austere mulch]

Dragon claws bugged with Soulflame Horn - they don't get the accuracy buff - not sure if disc rules deems this appropriate to tag one of the devs, but wanted to put it here

[winged mantle]

You would only get the first claw and the other 3 wouldn't benifit

[nocturne solstice]

If you think you've encountered a bug you can report it in game by right clicking the red report button in game (under chat box) and selecting report game bug

[meager flame]

thats not how claws work

[austere mulch]

yes

each claw damage hitsplat doesnt have an individual accuracy check

[winged mantle]

With the horn it is

[austere mulch]

you get up to 4 changes to roll accuracy

when you pass an acc check

you no longer roll for acc

you roll for damage

and that dmg is distributed among the remaining hitsplats

[austere mulch]

its not

[meager flame]

thats how the horn works for normal weapons but d claws specifically dont roll accuracy after 1 successful check

so if it were working properly

you shouldn't be able to miss

[nocturne solstice]

Why do you think its bugged? Does the first attack always hit and the others miss?

[winged mantle]

The effect only works for the first hitsplat

[meager flame]

yes

however if you go read how dclaws themselves work

you'll see what we mean

[austere mulch]

since your next acuracy roll is guaranteed, you should always roll between 45-90 with dclaws for dmg

[austere mulch]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_claws

[nocturne solstice]

But is that whats happening

[austere mulch]

read the spec section

[winged mantle]

The horn probably overrides it

[austere mulch]

its just not getting the guaranteed accuracy roll

and is rolling as normal

[austere mulch]

there is no overriding lol

[winged mantle]

And forces accuracy on the first hit spat

[austere mulch]

yes

if you land the first accuracy check

[nocturne solstice]

But does the first attack always hit

[austere mulch]

aka the first splat

[winged mantle]

Defo report in game

[austere mulch]

you will roll DMG, DMG/2, DMG/4, DMG/4

[austere mulch]

nah

[meager flame]

its just busted

[austere mulch]

have 0-0-1-1 and 0-0-0-0 on tek

it just doesnt work with claws at all

[winged mantle]

Weird

[nocturne solstice]

Ok then report it in game so the devs know and can check your in game data

[austere mulch]

submitted in game report ye

[nocturne solstice]

Nice

Hopefully it get hotfixed soon

[meager flame]

i almost think its not even an accident

[austere mulch]

well

[meager flame]

but lol just not saying anything is weird

[austere mulch]

they said on several platforms itd work as expected with claws

😭

[winged mantle]

In that case I'm not sure the horn is meant to be claw friendly

Based of how the horn spec is supposed to work

[austere mulch]

its the same as with abby dagger

[meager flame]

they probably just said it would work the same way the shadow has a cap

[austere mulch]

abby dagger only rolls acc once

if you pass the check, you roll dmg twice

[meager flame]

its probably on some to do list somewhere

collecting dust

[winged mantle]

Interesting wording

[austere mulch]

The Horn's Special Attack's Accuracy-boosting effect only works on the first accuracy roll within 6 seconds, not the first attack. This means that weapons like the Scythe or Dragon Dagger (where multiple hits roll accuracy separately) will only see their first hitsplat's accuracy increased, not all of them.

expanded here and between reddit/twitter, where claws were brought up, futher interated that they'd benefit due to the nature of how the spec works based off the whichever acc check you pass first (eg. first check, total dmg is between 1x and 2x of max, second check total dmg is between, .75 and 1.75, third check total is between 0.5 and 1.5, 4th check is between 0.25 an 1.25, if you fail all 4, then 50% of doing 0-0-1-1

but yeah tldr, its just not applying to dclaws at all

[mild saddle]

it doesn't override abby dagger spec

so it's not working as expected

[tough nacelle]

I thought it was supposed to only apply

to the first hit

[mild saddle]

yes

but

abby dagger and claws, if the first hit hits, they both all hits hit

they're special

[tough nacelle]

dclaws works like that but does abby dagger too?

[mild saddle]

yeah

[winged mantle]

Hmmm

[mild saddle]

and people have been using abby dagger for specs

[winged mantle]

I would love to know how it's breaking in the jagex code

[jovial sentinel]

Its likely that d claws rolls a unique roll for all 4 splats.

[mild saddle]

tbf, claws have a unique special accuracy calc

[jovial sentinel]

So say, its a dice that rolls 1/100 and needs to land over 90.

[formal sentinel]

Claws have several accuracy rolls, but they stop as soon as one passes

[jovial sentinel]

It doesnt. All 4 become 50/10, and isnt a hit.

Horn spec makes the first one hit.

But the other 4 still rolled under 50

3*

Thats likely how it works.

[winged mantle]

Feels like they added an excel formula and missed something that makes it work

[mild saddle]

what Goose said is how claws were understood to work

[jovial sentinel]

So, d claws if it hits, all hit. Because they all roll the same number on accuracy roll

Can you link the comment?

Im assuming based on the result

[mild saddle]

just this

[jovial sentinel]

If it had multiple, it wouldnt give that result

Unless... they are still looking at that first number.

[mild saddle]

yeah idk what's going on, but it's been understood for a while that claws would benefit

[jovial sentinel]

Actually, that could be it.

[fiery epoch]

Can ahrims staff be used instead of purge?

[jovial sentinel]

Its like, 2 checks being made. And the 100% hit is being decided last, after the other claw hits.

So they are decided as a miss, THEN the first is decided to hit

[jovial sentinel]

Sure, but worse. More than 10 max hit iirc

[winged mantle]

For autocast arceuus ye

[formal sentinel]

If it's not working with claws, I imagine it's a sub formula, with the several checks.
So where there would normally be an accuracy roll, there's a reference to a different way to roll accuracy.
Horn probably skips the accuracy roll or replaces it with a preset value, so it's skipping the whole formula or replacing it with an incompatible value

[jovial sentinel]

Potentially.

[formal sentinel]

It'll be something like that, at least

[jovial sentinel]

All depends on how and where they put the accuracy in the code.

I dont know runecode, but wouldnt a null/false value show bugs?

Instead of just a miss

Unless they put in a temp fail state as 0

[formal sentinel]

Absolutely, but it'll essentially most likely be an incompatibility in either the location of the claw accuracy roll, or value that horn sets it too

[jovial sentinel]

But thats bad for debugging

Maybe. Idk, it seems like they are just changing the first hit accuracy to land after the extra hits are decided.

So they are unchanged.

Slap it on the end and weird shit happens

[austere mulch]

Well we can say for sure it’s not that bc

If you pass the 4th acc check, there’s still a min dmg roll

[formal sentinel]

More importantly, anybody know if all melee weapons max hit on Judge of Yama (the lil guy), or if it's just demonbane?

[austere mulch]

After failing the first 3 ofc

[jovial sentinel]

True.

[hard axle]

So uh, can we change surge potion to the bright blue that adrenaline is @winter hearth

[austere mulch]

Only after you fail all 4, is there a random 50/50 to either hit 0-0-0-0 and 0-0-1-1

And I’ve seen both

[hard axle]

and prayer regen to prayer enhace’s purple

This will greatly aid visual appeal

[jovial sentinel]

I wouldnt sau definitely, but my thoughts go mostly to spagetti code after that

[austere mulch]

Yeah same

Considering claw code is dated back to what… 2008?

[jovial sentinel]

Which isnt unlikely, but i cant assume its like that lil

[austere mulch]

And legacy code is notoriously awful to deal with according to the devs

That’s something that I’m surprised to see get past QA tho. Bc there are only 4 notable weapons that really benefit from horn.

Maul, hammer, Abby dagger, and claws. I guess bclaws too

So you’d think those would be the ones you’d want to immediately check

[true talon]

I am not good at this enrage phase lol

[winter hearth]

Have made a note of the Horn/Dclaws stuff for the team to look at tomorrow

[true talon]

Hey how would the team feel about boosting ward of arceus to 5 minutes when wearing purging staff? currently it does it for mark. its pretty annoying re-casting this every 1 minute.

[hasty shard]

make master/gm cas boost ALL arceuus spell lengths

[meager flame]

tbh i just stopped using it in general

it was too annoying for the little good it does

[true talon]

ehh. i think purging giving mark and ward would make sense, unless ward dont work at yama

[meager flame]

like

the spell itself isn't that bad its just that on the boss it probably wont even do anything

since the only time you take damage big enough for it to matter is if you mess up

kind of a bad trade off repeatedly recasting it for something that might not even happen

[ember token]

itll likely be worth using when doing contracts

[true talon]

The range/mage visbility of the attacks need to be imprved tbh.

[meager flame]

i sort of agree but

you actually know every single attack yama is going to do basically based on other information

[sacred skiff]

How do you know whether Yama will mage/range in P3?

First I thought it was one mage after dropping fireballs, but that doesn't seem right. Then I thought it was alternating, but that doesn't seem right either

[meager flame]

he alternates his regular auto attacks in p3

[sacred skiff]

Oh. ig I'm just a dumdum

Or getting confused when he snaps for other attacks more likely

[meager flame]

i mean i get it at first i only caught on that if he did mage > falling stuff > next attack would be range > falling stuff ends > mage

because i was looking elsewhere when i was dodging the fire walls after that

but eventually i realized its just the whole phase alternating forever

[sacred skiff]

Cool cool, that will make it easier. Other question: is there a set time that he'll chase me and try to melee after I run up and claw spec?

[meager flame]

no idea about that honestly lol

[sacred skiff]

fair enough

[meager flame]

sometimes i swear hes just walking for no reason

[sacred skiff]

I was doing better before I bothered clawing, but I got the DC upgrade and now I feel like I should be using it

Also solos are like harder relatively to duos than I expected lol

[meager flame]

i do know he does mechanics differently if you're in melee

[sacred skiff]

And my duo partner is off for the day

[meager flame]

spawns way way more orbs for example

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I saw people talking about that

[meager flame]

so it might be people walking close enough that yama goes into melee mode or something

and it takes a bit to switch back

[austere mulch]

Yeah did some Yama kills where I afked melee during p3 and my friend maged (he wasn’t confident enough to melee & flinch or deal with fire attack + waved). It was super chill

[uneven iris]

anyone trying to get contracts through demons?

[austere mulch]

They made a great late (not end) game boss

[austere mulch]

Saw a ton of ppl out there killing demons so I imagine so

Also there are contracts that give uniques (heard somebody had one for oath plate) which is disappointing imo

[uneven iris]

i wonder what the drop rates are cause i have not gotten shit lol

[meager flame]

yeah although

i guess if the contract is more rare than the item and they changed the rate of the item slightly to account for the existence of the contract

it will work out

since that would effectively just be replacing items with contracts that might be items

depending on if people die or not

cant really say though without seeing rates

[forest tendon]

Feel like the ore should have been spread around the chasm of fire, instead of all in one place :/

[true talon]

Im looking at melee in p3 as an alternative to having to deal with awakened vardorvis level of execution prayer swaps and dodging.

rather do a 4 way swap to spec the orbs that spawn between melee hits than this lol

[true talon]

No idea why they did this, when he said contracts dont benefit uniques. then they also did a pet contract lol. like bruh

[austere mulch]

Buyable collection logs from a pvm boss is crazy lol

I’m sure (or at least I’d hope) they took an approach similar to what turkey described with those

[fathom flame]

Buyable collection logs is so freaking lame. I hope they remove them before its too late. They might as well just make clogs unlockable with bonds at this point

[small anvil]

Contracts already being bought and sold no way they scrap them

[meager flame]

might not clog with it

the dossier for example did not give me the teleport scroll clog

[true talon]

They said its not a clog, you have to get it as a drop. cant craft it either.

[austere mulch]

Oh

Also

Soulflame horn settings reset every time you equip and unequip it

It’s really annoying setting it to 3 and after you spec, equip a new wep, it resets back to 2

In a similar vein, apparently it doesn’t work with players DD’d with you. Saw that online prior to buying one so haven’t experienced it myself bc avoided the situation

Other than that, it functions a lot better than expected

[hearty star]

Anyone else feels like the drops are a bit lackluster ? Or are we just unlucky

We've been getting worms and supply drops non stop X.X

Superbly fun boss otherwise , but feels like not worth considering the supplies used vs rewards gained compared to other bosses (easier ones too..)

[tiny karma]

Is dark demonbane still bugging nox hally to give 8 tile range or is it patched?

[vivid ruin]

That was patched hours ago pretty sure

[tiny karma]

Fasho

[vivid ruin]

May not be worth to go full blown shadow set up unless they tweak the drops a bit

[hearty star]

Oh I actually dont have a shadow yet haha - purging staff all the way! But still :/ considering the effort + time compared with like Hydra/Araxxor example , or even Sire lately (Granted these have slay req)

[true talon]

The imp murder is such a nice touch man jagex really outdid themself

when asking for the stats of yourfights lol

[vivid ruin]

Reminds me of dt2 bosses. Hopefully by the time you build a piece of oathplate, it'll be worth the time/expense

[hearty star]

Prayge indeed! Also was demoralized by the amount of plates needed tbh , since we've yet to see a drop of plates lol , but we'll see!

[polar lagoon]

anyone know what the yama pet easter egg is? something about pizza?

[ember token]

you can use pizza on yama himself for dialogue

[nocturne solstice]

they like pizza

[ember token]

idk if there's any dialogue for doing so with the pet too

[polar lagoon]

oh any type? or just all types he drops?

[nocturne solstice]

pineapple

[ember token]

all types

[nocturne solstice]

very evil pizza

[ember token]

different dialogue for each type

not sure about burnt pizza though

[polar lagoon]

ahh i see

even an easter egg if u feed him 1/2 pizzas haha

trying to find any pet interactions

i did notice that when i got the pet, my characcter said in public chat 'Oh no.'

[hasty shard]

WHAT

[quiet plank]

Is it looking like oathplate will be way easier to get than torva on irons?

[formal sentinel]

Def got fucked up first attempt. Learned to not bother trying the step under on Judge till I get the hang of him. Took a bit more damage taking too long to switch and not seeing the skull cause everything was in one place.
His shadow spec is unfortunately just hard for me to see I think. Wasn't quite sure how I actually died, but I think that must have been it

[sinful field]

yes

[calm plinth]

Is there a way to show bank value on ORSR mobile? Or if its possible to make an update for this feature?
This could be great, along with the side tabs to quick select items like on PC 🙂

Its not much but it could be great addon 🙂

[quiet plank]

Gotta suggest it in #1022203837265756231
This channel is just for talking about new updates

[calm plinth]

My bad! Thx for the cue!

[quiet plank]

Also I would love that feature

[calm plinth]

Yeah, its one on the things i miss the most from pc version

[quiet plank]

What gear you need for the boss? I'm a pvm noob but i wanna try it after I get all the loot from moons and royal titans

[gritty garnet]

purging staff and best magic gear

[ember token]

purging staff is basically mandatory

[sinful field]

moons gear and the purging staff is probably fine if your duo doesnt mind

[quiet plank]

I'm a gim duo so it'll be great

[sinful field]

tome of fire if you dont have ward since you completely ruin your stack of fire runes

[quiet plank]

Ok ok. I was gonna do zulrah with twinflame and fire tome so that works out

[sinful field]

ive used easily 30k fires today just at yama
tome doesnt seem to use charges for the demonbane spells so i started using that

[sacred skiff]

Yeah it's silly that purger doesn't give infinite fires

[sinful field]

especially at 12 per cast
yikes

[sacred skiff]

yeah it's insane lol

[sinful field]

uses a lot of souls too which may be rough on iron

not nearly as many as fires but still, 40kc im down 2-3k

[gritty garnet]

I've managed to die like 6 times lol

my first duo was really good the other player was on point lol

sadly he died right before the end and I nearly finished off yama but he healed

he was under 100 hp

I still don't know which glyphs to stand on or when

so it's been really rough on my teammates

[meager flame]

the two glyphs next to the throne are going to be the first special attack of the phase

and it just alternates

its also as simple as purple special = purple rune and orange special = orange rune

but you'd ideally not be reacting last second like that

[formal sentinel]

So purple glyphs = start praying mage, red glyphs by throne = start off praying Range?

[formal sentinel]

When he is using fire attacks, you are praying mage and being ready to step on shadow glyph

[meager flame]

yes

[formal sentinel]

When he starts the shadow spec (from fire regular attacks), step on shadow glyph

Then swap to pray range and move towards a fire glyph

When he's using the shadow attacks, the spec will be fire. You step on a fire glyph:

Then swap to pray mage

These were taken from youtube, ain't no way I'm taking screenshots as he kills me in my runs attempts

[gritty garnet]

lol

[formal sentinel]

Same for all phases? They don't just hang around from the start?

[gritty garnet]

I wish there was a way to practice the individual mechanics and get good feedback. I guess I'll just die a bunch lol

[meager flame]

its the same in phase 1 and 2

at the start

[gritty garnet]

I'm going to go in solo for a bit just to practice phase 1

[meager flame]

and they also respawn in the order that you use them

[formal sentinel]

Death fees reduced by 75% until you get a minimum kc IIRC

[meager flame]

if you're soloing and the phase takes a long time

[gritty garnet]

yeah the death fees aren't --too-- bad

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/too

[gritty garnet]

if anything the supplies cost as much as the death fee lol

[true talon]

https://www.twitch.tv/rateplays/clip/CleverEphemeralCroquetteNomNom-MJniSp_LDVMj-IkH

[meager flame]

im not sure if im just a 50/50 god or something but

it seems like

the last attack he uses in phase 2 is also the opposite of the attack he will start phase 3 with

but i could just be randomly getting lucky with that

seems like some hydra logic though going into p3

[true talon]

p3 man is pain. i used the triangle formation but it didnt dodge anything. it says dodge when balls hit the ground but this didnt work??

[formal sentinel]

The streamers and autists will have it figured out by tomo

Not meaning that as an insult

[meager flame]

oh yeah in p3 the attacks always alternate

[formal sentinel]

We got some M2K from SSB Melee level players and it helps everyone out a ton

[meager flame]

i just dont know if the very first one is a 50/50 or if its actually deterministic

[true talon]

I mean the falling fireballs

need tech for the dodge XD

[meager flame]

which dodge

the falling stuff or the waves

[tacit wharf]

its it just n w n

[formal sentinel]

Go perpendicular to the line, as close to the middle as you can

[true talon]

I tried this an got hit by every fireball lol

[meager flame]

yeah idk shit about all the tiles i just vibe and dodge things lmao

[formal sentinel]

Like you go beside the middle one

[ember token]

dunno what it means in the pic there but you can dodge the fireballs by stepping to the side of the middle fireball

[formal sentinel]

Cause hourglass shape

[meager flame]

tiles would be nice though if someone gets a good method for the crazy wave overlap while you dodge the falling stuff as he makes you swap prayers

in enrage

im sure it probably exists

[true talon]

Wave skip is so easy lol

[meager flame]

im just gonna let someone figure that out

[meager flame]

thats basically like

a solo only experience though

[true talon]

but im doing poorly at the falling fireballs

[meager flame]

duos kill him before he really puts you in that blender

[formal sentinel]

Except when the wave lands on the glyph the tick you gotta hit it

[meager flame]

you just want to be perpendicular with the line of falling fireballs

[formal sentinel]

Ye

[gritty garnet]

just got to phase 2 in solo

[formal sentinel]

Closer to the middle, the close you can be to the line

[meager flame]

so its always 1 tile from where you start

you just gotta figure out if its a diagonal or not

[formal sentinel]

Oh shit, didn't notice that

[true talon]

ya thats prob the issue

im dodging into the fireballs

[formal sentinel]

cause you're always at the middle in the start

[meager flame]

yeah

that part and the waves are both somewhat easy individually

its just when there are like 4 waves and that happening at the same time

thats when its fun

[formal sentinel]

Just, uh. Make sure you're by the correct glyph in p2

otherwise you step on it and get hit for the 96hp you have left anyways

[gritty garnet]

lol

I had the giant boulder come down on me in phase 2 while not being near red glyph

in solo

I got far enough away to take like 36 damage and then teleport out

[formal sentinel]

Can you control + click to run for that, or run is just straight disabled?

[gritty garnet]

from what I heard it's stright up disabled?

[meager flame]

i dont think you can

[true talon]

Run is disabled

[meager flame]

you really really want to be like

[true talon]

its re-enabled once you finish

[meager flame]

2 tiles at most from the red glyph

[formal sentinel]

Yeah I stand right beside

[meager flame]

when that is going to happen

[gritty garnet]

so yeah someone needs to hit the red glyph for the boulder or else the person under it is having a bad time

[true talon]

Watching hcim die to a spirit bomb is fucking great though

[meager flame]

also i just want to say

[formal sentinel]

so if it weren't straight disable, I'd never find out on my own

[meager flame]

whoever did the art for that attack

wtf why dont you do that for everything

[gritty garnet]

lol

[formal sentinel]

Obviously an intern trying to get a permanent position

[true talon]

Everything about this update is fantastic lol. the humor, the mechanics. when you ask yama to check the stats an he just murders and imp lol.

[meager flame]

lmao its actually great looks like some naruto vs pain attack in a game where most of the attacks are like 5 pixels and idk what they are

it really surprised me

[true talon]

The pet roasts you telling you to not reclaim him if you die XD

Really excited for what is gonna happen when contracts are out.

[formal sentinel]

Every time I've blocked it so far, I've thought to myself "But what will you do about the second one, Ohnoki?"

[meager flame]

yeah lol i just cant believe they can do stuff like that and apparently just haven't been doing it

also side note maybe finally jagex will admit that the arceus spells cost a crazy number of random runes lol

[formal sentinel]

Or that better access to free elemental runes would be nice

But yeah 12 fire runes/cast is big. Some people without Eli just run fire tome apparently

[tacit wharf]

that brings up a good point i noticed the other day as well, why is there is there a difference in runes used on the normal spell book still

[restive sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j5jbH6jp4w request for the mvp to get a banana from yama like ba-ba

[tacit wharf]

make it a 1/2 eaten pizza, then read "no way am i eating after someone else" when u try to eat it

[gritty garnet]

I dunno at least it makes there be some use for fire runes. Usually you get them as drops and sell them for 4 each on GE

so if you have to buy them for 5 ea from GE then keeping the ones you get as drops can save a bit of cash I suppose

[gritty garnet]

I could see that

[lament peak]

If the line of fireballs are horizontal step forward or backward 1 tile
Vertical right or left one tile
Diagonal one tile in the opposite diagonal

[plush gull]

i cant play right now but has anyone figured out how to solo yama on a pure with no megarares and not maxed combat stats

the void flares are really annoying with no good mage dps, tick eatable but still heals him to full, and the defence on his enrage is crazy. sotd demonbane has like 30% accuracy

[swift ivy]

Would be very difficult I think. Purge staff is very necessary for enrage I feel. But you only need one person with it in a duo with mage camp method I think

[hasty shard]

you can get by without purging

the orb spam happens if you're meleeing, in which case you do need purging to not die instantly

you gotta be like kinda tick perfect w/ shadow and not farcast i think? you can bring a trident switch to save ticks though. still gotta do one shadow hit per orb

p1/2 1 shadow 2 sang, p3 1 shadow 1 sang

its a bit more comfortable to do shadow -> sang -> sang -> shadow to take out the two orbs in p3 imo

[plush gull]

no megas, no shadow

if you can get trident hit to 36 is that enough for p3

[hasty shard]

maaaybe not

i dont recall my trident being able to two hit

(granted im not bringing ely ward but i doubt its a diff)

[odd creek]

Hoping this is the right place for this.... but since the update today Eldritch Staff special attack is broken. My character will consume 55% spec and immediately run up to staff bash. Anyone else experienced this today?

[hasty shard]

sotd + dark demonbane might work as a switch, so sotd -> sang -> sang

[plush gull]

oh what about volatile spec

[odd creek]

I haven't checked voli gimme 30s

voli is also broken confirmed

[ember token]

known issue, check the update blog

[odd creek]

Okay thx for the update, I hadn't checked

just went to use it and was like wtf

[plush gull]

i meant for my case, volly can hit 71s easily which can save ticks on p3 orbs without purging/shadow

sad its broken

[odd creek]

seems like u need to have an autocast set for it to work... are u on thralls?

[plush gull]

i dont have a volatile atm id have to buy one, but yeah i would be arceuus which it can’t autocast

[lusty patio]

Just confirming, no way to break down dupe oath pieces hey?

[ember token]

correct

[lusty patio]

Thanks 🙂

[vocal harness]

any indication of how rare contracts are from demons?

[fiery epoch]

Yama ffa fc pretty useful for this boss to find duos

[slender vapor]

https://i.imgur.com/DIJQy9M.png

Mans got an agenda

[lucid lagoon]

Guys the surge potion is too op in my opinion and lots of others especially in pvp, 1 Sip lasts with cool down of 3 or 4 mins Restores 5% spec every 30 seconds, this will make it much more fair in pvp and pvm

• there's also a bug when casting a spell on opponent and then clicking on the opponent to run towards him and attack, character doesn't move at all

[slender vapor]

Of course it's busted in pvp

That was blatently obvious from its first pitch

The entire pvp meta is gonna be warped around it

[grizzled jolt]

wrong chat myb

[plush gull]

tbh i think maybe they should just make flares/orbs max hit for every style, right now its inanely difficult to do the fight without any purging or shadow, i dunno if a boss should almost hard require either megarares or weapons that pures cant get

it would open up potential for interesting strategies like DDS into DH to one shot both for 25% spec

also wonder if stats should be rebalanced to make no mega no demonbane doable without such an insane difference, its weird to have a boss that so little gear is usable at

[slender vapor]

It's one of the first and only bosses where mega rares aren't just head and shoulders best in slot, i think it's fine for demonbane weapons to be the best vs a demon boss

It also seems like yama was clearly designed as a mage fight

[plush gull]

i dont have an opinion on that personally, its not relevant to my points

[slender vapor]

You chose to limit yourself

👀

Nothing wrong with yama being balanced around demonbane weapons and the fight being a real struggle without them

Even if it hurts pures

[vivid ruin]

Tbf the only boss designed for pures is scurrius....

[still sundial]

wait, pures can't do WGS? why did they bother removing Legend's quest as a prereq then?

[shadow wave]

Lunar Diplo means Fremmy Trials which is the source of the Def exp

[slender vapor]

So, legitimately 0 point to remove legends quest then

[ember token]

I believe the point was that there was no reason for legends quest to be a pre-req

the only extent to which legends quest was involved was that you start at radimus erkle

who just redirects you to ivy sophista

[still sundial]

there's a trapdoor that requires charging an orb iirc

[shadow wave]

Yeah, I think that was only done in RS2 because WGS was the 150th quest and Legends was some other milestone

[still sundial]

which definitely seems like a throwback to legend's quest

[true talon]

Personally I’d like to see all quest exp optional so that every build can do all content

[ember token]

you're in luck

[[project zanaris]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Project_Zanaris

[true talon]

That ain’t gonna happen and you know it lol also that’s just a private server

[ember token]

? it's one of the more reasonable things we would be able to do with project zanaris

nothing like creating brand new content or anything like that, that's not happening

[fossil epoch]

People with limits angry that their limits are limiting them, and dont want to play in a closed environment, where their limits are removed

Personally Jagex is not strict enough with their new content, i dont think irons should be allowed to do Yama in duos(unless gim), but they are designing the game around how high a number of players are irons

[analog crow]

A large number of players are irons and it makes sense to cater to them so they can do the content

Pures and other unofficial account builds are a different story

[true talon]

? yama is designed to be duo. this shit is hard as fuck solo lol

[ember token]

its not that hard buddy....

[plush gull]

dont choose to not have megarares, i just want the death charge upgrade for gronding colo for a shadow

[true talon]

well maybe im not understanding how this engage works, but im getting fucked lol

[slender vapor]

The other option is take defense exp and get a weapon just as strong as shadow for cheap

Seems fair

[true talon]

pures cant get the synpase weps?

[plush gull]

im not a pure tbh i just dont have wgs done

[slender vapor]

So go get it done and stop complaining then lmfao

[true talon]

then do wgs?

thats actually insane now, i thought you was complaining about being restricted.

but your being lazy lol

[plush gull]

i will but like, are people really ok with it basically being a megarare/wgs only fight? fang and bofa are hardly above raw ruby bolt dps

and sotd demonbane is like 30% accurate vs enrage

[ember token]

yeah im fine with demonbane being bis at demon

[plush gull]

bis isnt what i said

[true talon]

well purging is only needed solo

[slender vapor]

I'm fine with it

0 problems

[plush gull]

like any raid, colo, etc, you have tens of choices for weapons that all do over half megarare dps

[true talon]

you can melee with a duo

and im struggling solo, i dunno what it is with enrage its to much lol

[slender vapor]

God forbid demonbane weapons be the best option for demon bosses

[plush gull]

ur being dishonest

[true talon]

Makes me feel like im facing leviathan, vardorvis and whisperer all in 1 phase.

[analog crow]

I’m sure someone will kill it with <1m budget gear this weekend

[plush gull]

im waiting for that, gonna have to kill it with sotd once i can play

[true talon]

Most budget kills ive seen was with atleast demonbane weps lol

[hasty shard]

i feel like the gear reqs are a bit tight for the dark flares but besides that

its all 0 damage innit

[true talon]

I mean they coulda had weaker demonbane versions of scorching bow and purging staff

for budget option

[hasty shard]

it does NOT feel anywhere near the scope of 'using dragon mace on an 80 combat account at pnm'

[plush gull]

wym, its significantly worse than that dps wise isnt it

[hasty shard]

nightmare doesnt exactly slap you a 40 for failing a dps check

[true talon]

I think its a great fight, you can avoid almost all damage. the enrage is pretty difficult mechanically.

[hasty shard]

oh FUCK me its a dps check

whyyyy

[true talon]

i love fights like this

[fossil epoch]

Ironmen used to standalone, doing gwd back then was hard as fuck, people didnt have the same methods they did today. That is how ironmanmode was made, you do the boss alone, or its not for you. Its also why something like chicken corp was the only way irons could do it

[hasty shard]

nah like goblin said this in here before release iirc

someone asked how early you can reasonably go there

[plush gull]

have yall ran any dps calcs without megas/arclight/synapses? like its so unprecedented to have a 2 weapon boss compared to other bosses

[slender vapor]

Nothing wrong with it

Use the demonbane weapons

4head

[plush gull]

i really want to see a solo without 75 combat stats

[true talon]

I mean i agree, but they designed tob and nex which cant be soloed. glad they learned from that and continued to make solo bosses. however you cant develop content to exclude a large % of the player base.

[plush gull]

someome @ me if they see one

[obsidian venture]

Surely you can use an arclight at least

[fossil epoch]

and you can solo Yama perfectly fine, but instead irons are allowed to get carried

which just isent in the spirit of the gamemode

Today ironman mode is more about getting the drop yourself, rather than playing by yourself, which it used to be.

[plush gull]

anyone got tips for soloing enrage with arclight and no shadow/purging staff for all the melee orbs?

[fossil epoch]

give it at week or a month, and you should have methods

[obsidian venture]

Haven’t seen melee solo yet so dunno

Either way, this doesn’t feel like an endgame encounter

[hasty shard]

oh right im thinking of solo stats lol

[fossil epoch]

we are only like 24 hour in, so methods will show up for limited account builds, until rendy does it on a lvl 3

[hasty shard]

orbs are w/e duo since you get double the dps on them

[obsidian venture]

They kinda under delivered on that aspect

[plush gull]

idk its wild compared to colo which is an easy day 1 sub 1m clear

[vivid ruin]

Warped staff bis at yama tbh

[hasty shard]

this is a solo boss 😭

[plush gull]

so what about my first point about making orbs all style max

[hasty shard]

the fight feels like some mechanics got axed and shoved into contracts honestly

[plush gull]

if yall are ok with it being a 2 weapon only fight

[obsidian venture]

Barely a step above vard

[fossil epoch]

Why though? thats not the design of the boss, thats just because you want it to be beaten in a certain way

[true talon]

I tried, its so fucking bad. he spam spawns jellyfish. you dont got any time to kill them.

[obsidian venture]

Worse than pnm

[hasty shard]

like, the meteor is cool and all but ?

you stand next to the sigil for each special

[thick beacon]

i really enjoyed the fight expected easy difficulty from non awakend variant

[hasty shard]

why or how is there any depth to these

[obsidian venture]

They said this was endgame man

🤣

[true talon]

it is end game

[fossil epoch]

it is though

[true talon]

???

[hasty shard]

it feels wrong having a massive boulder bonk you a zero

[plush gull]

“tbh i think maybe they should just make flares/orbs max hit for every style, right now its inanely difficult to do the fight without any purging or shadow, i dunno if a boss should almost hard require either megarares or weapons that pures cant get

it would open up potential for interesting strategies like DDS into DH to one shot both for 25% spec

also wonder if stats should be rebalanced to make no mega no demonbane doable without such an insane difference, its weird to have a boss that so little gear is usable at”

im sorry can you clarify your thoughts

[obsidian venture]

It really isn’t

[true talon]

what the fuck you are expecting lol

[hasty shard]

ESPECIALLY since you dont even have to pray against it, just stand in the right spot

[thick beacon]

ye i expected it to be harder for awaken not reg

[true talon]

it is def end game....

[minor whale]

KC isn't really important for irons nor is carrying really a problem
Drops are split among contribution
If you're getting carried you'll see you jack shit rewards

[fossil epoch]

People keep making their own version of what endgame is, like unless its harder then the previous hardest thing, its not endgame anymore

[hasty shard]

do crush weapons always hit orbs or nah

[fossil epoch]

only 1 boss can be endgame at a type it seems

[hasty shard]

ik med range does

[obsidian venture]

It’s like on the lvl of vard, except you stand on circles or wave skip

[hasty shard]

i am sad webweaver isnt good dps on them

[plush gull]

im not super fond of the boss either its kinda why i dont want to spend 15 hours skilling and questing so i can have the death charge upgrade for colo

[true talon]

Yes, this is such a bad mindset lol.

[true talon]

? verzik you stand next to her an swap your prayers, then run circles around her during webs. does this not make her end game?

[thick beacon]

we havint even seen contract yet

[obsidian venture]

Sure it’s going to be varied on experience but most good pvmers I talked too also felt the same. Not really a good step up from Vard, a step down from pnm

[obsidian venture]

No one is talking about the contracts

Pointless to include

[slender vapor]

Then suffer without it

[obsidian venture]

Talking about the base encounter

[fossil epoch]

but its just an arbitrary defintion that changes per player, and the better that player is, the fewer bosses will be put into that category

[true talon]

Base version is designed to be around dt2 boss base level and it is. its actually harder solo than most dt2 bosses lol

[hasty shard]

i feel like the enrage is harder than pnm

besides that shits mole genuinely

[minor whale]

I feel like endgame is a fair description
It doesn't have to be the hardest thing in the game to still be a step above "late game" bosses, and it's still got more depth than most other encounters in the game

[obsidian venture]

They said a direct step up

[fossil epoch]

and Yama will have a harder version, that surely counts as endgame by your rules then

[obsidian venture]

It’s unique for sure

[thick beacon]

i guess we just have diffrent expectation

[true talon]

I mean it is harder than dt2 bosses.

there is a lot going on

[minor whale]

Most people I know who have done quite a bit of both still have said it's a step up from Vard to them

[thick beacon]

i didint really care about baby version difficulty just if it was fun

[obsidian venture]

Fight for me personally kinda got dull after a few kc

[true talon]

Pretty fun so far, besides my soul and fire rune stack lol

[hasty shard]

can they remove p1

[thick beacon]

thats fair i personally really enjoyed it alot its pretty chill i will admit

[obsidian venture]

Only thing I like is the agility thing and the fireball p2

As it’s cool

But besides that eh

[hasty shard]

melee should be incentivised more it turns into a completely different fight

magic you just kinda stand there for 5 minutes

[slender vapor]

Melee is optional hardmode

[obsidian venture]

Yeah magic is more reclined in that aspect

[hasty shard]

like i understand why they didnt want to make scythe more useful

but fuck me it neuters the fight

[plush gull]

id rather punch yama to death, unfortunately ive tried and even when i tick eat or fully null the explosions with pnecks he still heals to full

[obsidian venture]

Been only doing melee tho

[thick beacon]

i feel like its chill both ways blood fury is crazy good i felt

[slender vapor]

Contract will switch mage with melee, and make mage spawn the extra shit instead

[obsidian venture]

Blood fury 😭

[thick beacon]

if u both stand md p3 u never deal with falling bombs

its better dps then maging still

[obsidian venture]

Well I’ll do the boss till double dc and then wait for the awakened lvl

[hasty shard]

wait couldnt you crate ring meteor special

[obsidian venture]

Could mimic Sephiroth

[slender vapor]

My man missing with a meteor half the size of the planet

[hasty shard]

im not gonna bother testing cause -500k if i do

[obsidian venture]

Got the opposite response unfort

[hasty shard]

but thats sick if you can use ring of stone tech to run away

[thick beacon]

vard i think is harder pressure but its like 10second fight

[fossil epoch]

yeh vard is only high pressure in the end

[hasty shard]

vard is too consistent mechanically imo

[plush gull]

does anyone have any vods of a solo without shadow or purging staff

[obsidian venture]

Enrage is good tho

[hasty shard]

like it IS hard but only so much w/o mentioning awakened

[slender vapor]

I definitely think one of the contracts will be enrage yama from the start of the kill

[obsidian venture]

I just believe it’s the first two phases. As someone said, could remove p1 so folks would have to insta position the stuff

[true talon]

I havnt tried yet, but what if you stand in melee with magic and just nuke the orbs that spawn an use the tick reset to hit the boss.

[plush gull]

is there any point to that, you lose 2 ticks compared to just not hitting any orbs

[true talon]

Not having to deal with the falling fireballs

[thick beacon]

^

[obsidian venture]

Apparently the fireballs are good

[true talon]

Fucking hate the fireballs lol

[obsidian venture]

Folks still noticing something

Your tick cycle gets faster apparently

[true talon]

your ticks get fast if you deal with the jellyfish

[hasty shard]

wait what

do you gotta reclick?

[obsidian venture]

“apparently ur attack cooldown goes down a tick every time u dodge the fireballs in p3”

[true talon]

i havnt noticed that, but im also to being lit on fire by falling fireballs, snapping demon flames and alternating range attacks.

wave skip is easy though

[thick beacon]

i think its wierd either way that u even have the option to stand md and null fireballs as a mechanic

[hasty shard]

i think its weird you get to stand mage distance and null orbs

[true talon]

One thing i would change is the transition inventory lock

[hasty shard]

^^^

[true talon]

let me fucking change my gear/eat/swap prayers

[hasty shard]

like give a tick or two to eat n stuff before and after pleae

[obsidian venture]

I can already imagine the awakened having to juggle that + waves

[hasty shard]

you get time to do it after but its annoying, give me more time

[obsidian venture]

You can after phasing, then run it

[thick beacon]

ye i think thats the perk is u dont have to kill orbs but have to mechanically doge fireballs as offset

[hasty shard]

you also get nulled coming out of judge fight

[obsidian venture]

I’ve been able to guess when to switch right before tho

[plush gull]

crate ring? whats that and why is it better than tick eating it

[obsidian venture]

Not consistently

[hasty shard]

ring of stone and other transformation items remove pvm binds

such as sarachnis, verzik webs n stuff

could be disabled here? it is for whisperer

[hasty shard]

fireballs have the whisperer issue of 'you can run in a straight line to dodge them'

granted fuck fireballs though

behated mechanic

please tell me theres a pattern to them 😭

[thick beacon]

there is ye

i really havint dealt with them tbh but ive seen vids

way weve been doing it is one guy just perma kills orbs and i melee

[hasty shard]

ik the second ones always diagonal but besides that its just like ?

[thick beacon]

and we both stay md no fireballs ever

[hasty shard]

kiiinda purging staff hard req

[thick beacon]

u can get synapise really early regardless imo iron or main

supposed to be endgame least it can require is a item like that

[hasty shard]

its a meme item

[plush gull]

what other endgame bosses require an item like that?

[hasty shard]

wait a second

why am i tossing up getting it in my head you can turn it into scorching bow anyways

[plush gull]

like colo and inferno arent much harder on a level 30 if you dont care about gaining exp

[thick beacon]

maybe vbow whisp?

dwh

[hasty shard]

wisp doesnt require it is the thing

for the 75 dmg it is, though

[ember token]

whats hard to comprehend about it

[thick beacon]

u can still kill orbs it just would suck esp if ur duoing

[ember token]

just rotates

[thick beacon]

think ur hardcapped from soloing but not duoing boss

[hasty shard]

oh is that it

[ember token]

and you only move a single tile to dodge each set of fireballs

[hasty shard]

so it'll go like _ / |
and not _ / _ to clarify

discord syntax i swear

[ember token]

| / _

[true talon]

Standing in melee with mage gear is not the play, he fucking slaps lol

[hasty shard]

that too

mage is just zero chip (ignoring flame sigil)

[true talon]

also why does those jellyfish things not have instant targetability

they take like 2 ticks to be hittable when they spawn, i yellow click though them so many times

[ember token]

they don't start charging until theyre targetable at least

[true talon]

Yea i put on my staff and clicked one an it was not targetable and yellow click though it lol.

ran into a wave disabled my prayer an yama melee me

[lusty patio]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

😬❤️

[true talon]

Ya yellow clicking though something not targetable is indeed skill issue 😦

[old tinsel]

I suck at yama, went like 5 hours for only 4 kc lol

[true talon]

I managed to kill it finally

[old tinsel]

Thats solo i take it?

[ember token]

duo time is half that so certainly

[true talon]

Ya im only soloing

its actualy fun

im have to scar ess 10m fire runes at this rate though lol

[prime cypress]

do aether runes not work with scarred extracts? i just made a bunch and it consumed the scarred extract but it doesnt feel like I got any more runes?

[true talon]

Might be a bug, or maybe not

[slender vapor]

I hope it's a bug

[winter hearth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1kmmoe8/comment/msc7u6p/?context=3

[prime cypress]

so dont use extract right?

[winter hearth]

You can, it's still a big timesave to get through your catalysts

but you'll use one catalyst per rune output

[minor patio]

does the contract color over the demons head stay the same color until a contract drops?

[prime cypress]

no, mine changed yesterday

[winter hearth]

I think it swaps after a certain number of kills

[minor patio]

ok nice cuz i changed colors and i got scared i missed the drop lol

[prime cypress]

ty

[weary stag]

Is there anything that determines which items to be using on the totem pole as decoration? Will a max main always be using redwood shields or is the player incentivsied to make it unique

[hard axle]

is there a concern for how common the drops apparently are with the base drop rates + tradeable shards? Contracts are likely going to make it even more common.

the power level of the drops beat out prior melee gear quite heavily too

[slender vapor]

I mean, it was stated to be between bandos and nex to grind out

[sacred skiff]

Dang they’re super common? I need to get spooned before the drop rate gets nerfed. Only seen the DC buff in ~40kc though

[slender vapor]

Clearly it wasn't meant to be as long of a grind as torva in the first place

[tough nacelle]

thats a wild time frame though tbh

bandos is quite quick

nex is long af

[slender vapor]

Closer to bandos if spoon, closer to nex if dry

Keep in mind, torva requires the bandos+nex grind

So oathplate was sold at like less than half the time cost

[tough nacelle]

Iim assuming its 1/300?

per item?

[slender vapor]

That'd make sense, currently it's a big questionmark

With over 1m kills day 1 it makes sense why so many people have already had it drop for them

[hard axle]

dont forget the shards

the shards are a BIG factor

[tough nacelle]

maybe im unlucky

but I got 5 in 50 kc

[slender vapor]

I think oathplate was kinda designed to be a lot more common

[tough nacelle]

and its 1k?

[slender vapor]

I have a feeling the transmog is gonna be giga cancer

[tough nacelle]

for the set right

[slender vapor]

I thought it was 300 per

So 900 per set

[tough nacelle]

the drop rates do seem a bit high

considering prices of the set

[hard axle]

which is a problem when they're as strong as torva in al ot of cases

hence why i asked if they were concerned about it

[minor whale]

350 per

So 1050 shards for the set

[slender vapor]

Every decision they've made with the way oathplate works, it seems like they really want it to be common

Maybe they will melt down torva for the new 90 defense set of generalist strength armor

Thus no torva value is lost at all

[hard axle]

I just want slash torva

38 slash acc

[tough nacelle]

my guess is

[hard axle]

no str bonus loss

[tough nacelle]

they will just shadow nerf the rates

[hard axle]

im really hoping they do

because the shards alone cut down all grind times in half for irons

[tough nacelle]

atm

[hard axle]

someone did the math a while back about nex

and if torva didn't have dupes

[tough nacelle]

tormented demons are better gp/hr probably

[hard axle]

u would save HALF the hours

[tough nacelle]

tormented were like 10m/hr

at 67m?

[tender harness]

this pet man

[tough nacelle]

now its 84m per synapse lmfao

[hard axle]

shittalking pets good

[tough nacelle]

LOL

[slender vapor]

"Sit" - this guy

[tough nacelle]

I will say

the Yama boss feels amazing

possibly the most fun boss theyve released

like every boss they drop now just seems to keep being better

[hard axle]

contracts will make it endgame

[tough nacelle]

even solo is quite hard

the final phase

I suck at dodging the fire that he drops down though lol

[tender harness]

wiki formatting plz

[hard axle]

been solved now

[tough nacelle]

really? lol

one tile skip kinda crap?

[hard axle]

yeah

duo even more solved

[tender harness]

duo is just wildly more chill though

solo is

[tough nacelle]

its all so good

[true talon]

Hey goblin, im having a great time with yama solo on my iron. he is really claiming my soul lately XD.
Key feedback.
fight mechanics are great. i really like movement, prayer and avoidable damage.
things id like to see improved. transition from yama to judge and judge to yama allows full inventory/prayer unlock. i cant change anything premptively when phasing due to this lock out.
Jellyfish orb things be targetable right as they spawn. ive yellow clicked though these things a lot (skill issue) but waiting for them to be targetable feels bad. overall i think you guys did a great job and outside of the mechanics of the fight the aesthetics and interactions are top tier.

Him exploding a imp to tell me how many times i die was great.

[formal sentinel]

Wasn't it solved like hour 4?

Or is there new tech

[hard axle]

there's mage-only and melee duo tech

but shadow flame X wall skip is one

[formal sentinel]

I saw the shadow flame x skip on the 30 seconds of gnomonkey stream I watched like 3 hours after servers were up tho

Still haven't done it myself lmao, I've barely made it to p3 twice

[zealous matrix]

Is it still like this

I can go fix it if so

[tender harness]

appears to be fixed now

[formal sentinel]

Yeah it's good now

Crazy this boss made Blue Moon Tassets jump up to 9m from 5.5m. Back down to 7.5m, but still
I say crazy because Ahrims bottom has gone from 2.2m to 2m in that time

[vivid ruin]

Arcane sigil has almost doubled in price

[formal sentinel]

Luckily that doesn't affect the poors such as myself

[snow parcel]

anyone gottena occult since update im like 4x dry now

[formal sentinel]

Sounds like you're almost on expected rate. Sorry friend, hopefully just a bit longer

[austere mulch]

yama definitely a really fun fight. Doesn't quite feel like it hits the end game mark, but im sure contracts will close that gap. Only wish they were duo

[final frigate]

Afk damage sponge p1 p2 unfortunately

Judge and p3 good

[mystic pulsar]

Anyone knows why I’m not getting any indication that I killed the demons at fire chasm properly? It’s a green pentagon , which means killing with mage. I melee and finished it off with water surge/ice barrage but the green pentagon doesn’t go away

[viscid zephyr]

Since you're freezing maybe it's counting as a purple kill instead?

Oh wait they dont change every kill.

[dense haven]

yama easily the most well designed fight we've seen so far

[vivid ruin]

I think he is similar design level as dt2 bosses (which is good)

[plush gull]

i dont really like dt2 bosses or araxxor or muspah, i think colo is much much much better designed

[pearl tangle]

As much as I want to kill Yama, I think the responsible thing is to kill tds on this slayer task I have (normie)

Synapses thru the roof

[plush gull]

anyone soloed yama with no shadow or purging staff yet?

[upper ice]

same

cba

[true talon]

Nope and its def not fesibile or advised lol

[upper ice]

i dont think double dc is useful at inferno speeds unless potting like s41 anyway

so w/e

im potting s55 so i dont need it

[meager flame]

ngl

[true talon]

Death charge mainly good for nex an phosani

[meager flame]

if you're doing stuff like that and making the effort

you should go get the dc buff lol

it will matter in the future

[upper ice]

im potting s55 now

im on ancients dude

?

[true talon]

not doing WGS when you can buy the synpase on a main is kinda lazy.......

[plush gull]

i need it, i love my dcb tech and i dont want to have to micromanage to have 60% spec back wave 2 😭 😭 😭

[meager flame]

yes and what im saying is

[upper ice]

i dont have mage gear

[meager flame]

future content where people try to play efficiently

[upper ice]

and i havent done the quests

[meager flame]

they're gonna use it

doing a quest and a little skilling is easy

now if you're a pure etc though

its obv different

but yeah

[true talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Hff4HS08c
looks like melee is meta anyways with a small 3 way mage switch

[upper ice]

ye, a staff that requires quests i havent done and costs 70m that i dont have

[meager flame]

i imagine the way to do yama as a pure in the last phase

[upper ice]

cba

[true talon]

But you still need to do wgs

[meager flame]

is to do damage to each orb but not kill

[true talon]

its 90m now and rising but ya 😛

[upper ice]

exactly cba

[meager flame]

im pretty sure they do damage based on their hp

when they explode

[upper ice]

im not selling gear and getting merched

to get a 100m split

which is just recouping my costs

prolly wont even break even cause of selling gear

[tacit wharf]

then go farm the synapes yrself

[upper ice]

😭

[true talon]

If you mage the orbs dont even spawn really.

[meager flame]

yeah you cant like

melee

and expect to survive 142342 orbs

[upper ice]

its fine its gonna be like 3 years before im bringing dc to inferno

chillin

[plush gull]

lets punch yama with no wgs & no mage switches together

[upper ice]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-miles-morales-nah-im-gonna-do-my-own-thing-my-own-thing-spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-gif-18304303232954590528

[meager flame]

i think the honest answer is that you're just not really doing yama

i think you could come up with some crazy shit for a youtube video

but actually farming it would not be fun

in a duo though its easy

just have them blast the orbs with a purging staff and you can do whatever

[plush gull]

dps is a worse problem than orbs, every thats not mega or demonbane is baaad

[tacit wharf]

almost as if they told us 2 months ago, that'd it be a good idea to go get this demonbane weapon as it'd be useful

[plush gull]

like 1/3 dps of purging staff, going to be 20 min kills

and even if you duo its like, no contribution

[meager flame]

depending on the type of account

the no quest ideal weapon is probably shadow

[formal sentinel]

Don't you need WGS to use the Synapse anyways?

[upper ice]

yes

bro i dont even have tds unlocked like

its lost

[formal sentinel]

I wish I waited a day to sell my second one. Bought one for use, one to merch

Sold the merch one at 74m

[plush gull]

no mega or demonbane

[plush gull]

.

[plush gull]

u have a tbow? have u calced its dps

[upper ice]

nah cause idc enough

ill just do the boss when i have gear and time

to quest

[slender vapor]

That actually looks really clean

[formal sentinel]

If you don't, it'll be so much prayer useage/kill. Better be perfect with mechanics to avoid the need for food, or bring brews.
Rune costs go way up too

[meager flame]

the tbow is ass afaik

[upper ice]

the desire to do the boss is superceded by the fact that i have to do a quest to do it

[meager flame]

like half the dps

[upper ice]

like i just dont care enough

[tacit wharf]

then why are u typing about it

[upper ice]

cause i want to?

[tacit wharf]

but u dont care enough

[slender vapor]

Care enough to type about it

[upper ice]

to do the quest.

to do the boss.

not allowed to express my thoughts and feelings ig

[plush gull]

im just gonna kill him in 25 mins with sotd, apparently itll be a world first

[tacit wharf]

no what yr typing is contradicting itself

[upper ice]

alright sorry !