leagues-general

[tawdry carbon]

scurrius is a new thing that didnt exist and that peti s fucking amazing

im a massive fan of skaven on warhammer so i absolutely gotta grind that pet good thing its probs ez

i still need to dust my zik

[spring cipher]

max gear is 10b however....im making extra past that for more supplies and also buying new gear at a more overpriced point

C:

[tawdry carbon]

yea id rather wait for the gear to drop

[spring cipher]

my gear is like 10bish but i have 900m in supplies

rest in cash

c:

[harsh oyster]

oh standard nightmare drops inquisitor's too?

[tawdry carbon]

i have like 9.6, a few hundred in supplies, and a few bil on another acc

[spring cipher]

ye

[tawdry carbon]

some ppl have way more tho

[spring cipher]

nightmare came first

[tawdry carbon]

esp if they were smarter than me and dumped more into bonds

[harsh oyster]

[spring cipher]

pnm came like 3-4 years later

cause people hated farming it

so they made a harder solo version

but faster

[tawdry carbon]

ugh u reminded me

i gotta go do nm

i only did pnm

[spring cipher]

so?

xD

its the best way for drops

[tawdry carbon]

separate tasks i just keep forgetting

[spring cipher]

oh yea

they are seperate

[tawdry carbon]

i gotta do diaries too

i got sidetracked cuz mixology is fun as shit

[spring cipher]

i see

[tawdry carbon]

the way i play the league is so incoherent

randomly browse tasklist ingame

oh that sounds quick

find tasks around that task

suddenly 3 hours pass and i have 1000 more points

complete opposite way of how i play poe leagues

love the varlamore music too

soundfront sounds super new though

emotion and shine still some of my top og songs

[spring cipher]

tbh

i dont play with sound or music on

unless its some boss fights

[tawdry carbon]

i love the sfx/music

i play with it on except they added this

shuffle mode so

when im doing a boss that the song gets too repetitive

i put that shuffle mode on

[spring cipher]

vardorvis welcomes me to his prison

[tawdry carbon]

ok time for some diaries

[tawdry carbon]

oh no

auemex 2.0

youre gonna be trapped forever

[harsh oyster]

i think ill go for the 300 vard kc task

im at 141 rn so its like

Why Not

[spring cipher]

i will continue his work

@livid slate

[pastel estuary]

but plsssss where are the blood shards

[harsh oyster]

i have like 35 blood shards banked

[livid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[spring cipher]

xD

[pastel estuary]

must be nice 🥲

[harsh oyster]

still havent hit virtus robe bottom

But I'm hopeful.

[tawdry carbon]

wow i got clanmkered

oKay dIarRy TIMmEE

[tawdry carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[spring cipher]

surely u dont hit full virtus before i do

[tawdry carbon]

i will

[spring cipher]

otherwise this will be

glorpshit

[harsh oyster]

im built different

[tawdry carbon]

how are u doing on diarnies

diaries

like am i as behind as i feel

lol

[livid slate]

You all may go dry ar Vardo

[harsh oyster]

oh fuck i finally hit my 2nd gold ring roll at least

[livid slate]

But you will never have this legendarily dry of a log

Two pets before Mask

[harsh oyster]

i have done karamja easy only

[livid slate]

Jagex be trolling

[harsh oyster]

i got my mask at 99kc

[tawdry carbon]

auemex

i need 5 more tentaclus

send help

[strange jacinth]

hows that look for options from kand mory zeah

can test water mage air mage and lithic sceptre boosting defence with thorns

[tawdry carbon]

i have >200 more kc on mobile

[tawdry carbon]

u can get more regen/accuracy to the left of the bottom right wheel

also i kinda FW this node

captain america frizbee is stonks bro

sigh

i think i have to do hallowed sepulchre too

its so many points

[strange jacinth]

lol i thought the aoe pacts wouldnt be good except for slayer

[rich thistle]

Morning! Most of the league my EH auto cooked karambwans but now it’s not (EH still toggled to on). Any ideas why?

[tawdry carbon]

are u wearing your boots of smoking

[upper obsidian]

eternal sustenance or culling spree?

[scenic garden]

it was hotfoot boots autocooking not eh

[tawdry carbon]

tbh spree but sustenance can be nice if you arent a mage or kings barrager.

[rich thistle]

Good lord. Thank you

[upper obsidian]

i'm a thrown / thorns person so far

but like culling spree solves slayer

so idk

[livid slate]

I'm curious on that

Darts/chins and shield?

[lone bloom]

solves pray and rc too

[tawdry carbon]

u see my tree
FrizBee bro but yes

[upper obsidian]

obby rings and shield

[tawdry carbon]

wait till u get FRIZBEE

lfg boys

[strange jacinth]

am salty af. that this chat said "oh flask is enough it synergizes with thorns you wont need sustenance"

[tawdry carbon]

Sustenance is just a nice luxury pick in general when you arent a water mage

if i had sustenance that entire top left tree could be more fun shit

like spec spamming

[strange jacinth]

im gonna have to try dihns build with an inv of brews

[tawdry carbon]

u would be proud of me boys

[livid slate]

Wait, you're using the tzharr frisbees? 💀

[tawdry carbon]

colo frizbii

[livid slate]

OH

Does it like

Actually work

[tawdry carbon]

u use tzhaar b4 that

iuts a thorwn wep

[upper obsidian]

is it hard to get that?

the colosseum frizbee thing

[harsh oyster]

hooray

[tawdry carbon]

For you, likely yes.

[harsh oyster]

colo wave >4 drop i think?

[tawdry carbon]

in the future potentially not

wave 7 onward

[harsh oyster]

maybe if youre enough of a tweaker you can manage

[tawdry carbon]

he has much to learn

[upper obsidian]

fr

[tawdry carbon]

bro ive run bac kadn forth on these rocks am i buggin

..oh

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-bladerunner2049-benrebenreybenreybenreybenreybenrey-0d4VpzRM3QQw7QEAWZ

[harsh oyster]

what a nonspecific task

theres like 5 separate lava stepping stones areas in brimhaven

[tawdry carbon]

lfg

ay yo wtf

[upper obsidian]

i went eternal suss

[tawdry carbon]

what kind of sick joke is this!!!

[tawdry carbon]

get some karabwan asap so you can combo eat

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Food/Fast_foods

shark+karambwan big heals

[harsh oyster]

combo eats is FUCKED

[upper obsidian]

wdym?

[harsh oyster]

karambwan and shark is 38hp in 1 tick heals

[tawdry carbon]

^

well

eternal sustenance

so he can do funny shit with like

moonlight antelope or

mantas/tuna taters

he also can eat a strange fruit

forever

for antivenom

[harsh oyster]

thats what im doin

[upper obsidian]

oooh ok

what's the thing on the right?

[tawdry carbon]

if u eat a slow food then a combo food (karambwan) back to back, they will "combo eat"

thats a tuna tater

[harsh oyster]

tuna potato

[tawdry carbon]

[[ tuna potato ]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Tuna_potato

[tawdry carbon]

but getting the karambwan is most important bwana

go do quest and get karambwan

[[ karambwan ]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Cooked_karambwan

[spring cipher]

shark into karambwan*

c:

or hard food into karambwan

and if u want to triple eat to heal even more

[tawdry carbon]

bless this calquat guys i dont have ivy berries

[spring cipher]

hard food, bwan, brew irrc

[upper obsidian]

this is so complicated 😭

[harsh oyster]

i think its brew, food, bwan?

[tawdry carbon]

lets get him combo eating just 2 items first

lma

lmao

[harsh oyster]

it SOUNDS way more complicated than it IS trust

[spring cipher]

its hard food brew bwan

i checked

[harsh oyster]

we were both wrong

[spring cipher]

shark is considered hard food

both the brews and karambwan has less delay

[tawdry carbon]

he no have brew

but he can get a bwan and like swordfish

[spring cipher]

then its hardfood+bwan

[upper obsidian]

i can go get brew

[spring cipher]

so swordfish/shark/anglerfish/whatever+bwan

[upper obsidian]

i have hte levels

[tawdry carbon]

i dont think brew gets sustenanc'd tho

since pot != food?

[spring cipher]

yea

[tawdry carbon]

get the karambwan bwana

more important

[upper obsidian]

ok

[spring cipher]

only food does

[tawdry carbon]

[[ karambwan ]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Cooked_karambwan

[spring cipher]

sustenence wont save ur brew

[tawdry carbon]

combo swordfish+karambwan and slowly build that swordfish into better food like shark , manta, tuna portartor

[upper obsidian]

wdym slowly?

[tawdry carbon]

u gotta get a shark and cook it b4 u can use it for sustenance

thats not a fast process unless u went endless harvest

[upper obsidian]

oh i have that all solved

[tawdry carbon]

then shark+karambwan

or tuna potato+karambwan

and u are gold

forever!

[upper obsidian]

ok

bettt

[tawdry carbon]

youll see the power of the karambwan bwana

ok boys

have to wait till tomorrow to finish elites

[upper obsidian]

imma go feel the power of the bwana

brb

[tawdry carbon]

yes bwana

next diary...

mory or ardy

🤔

ardy prolly easier

[remote cove]

did anyone actually do burn 200 redwood logs challenge lol

[tawdry carbon]

i did ya

use a forestry campfire

oh i havent done the rob the wealthy people shit yet

[remote cove]

but damn, the amount of time to chop 200 redwoods

[tawdry carbon]

transmute

[remote cove]

knew it

dang trasmuters!

[tawdry carbon]

transmute is one of those relics

that just feels correct

[thorn marsh]

For getting Zalcano uniques, is it better to run in mass worlds or solo..?

Not sure how the drop mechanic works for splitting drops between contributors..

[tawdry carbon]

if u dont have hotfoot gl in masses

[spring cipher]

its so nice

[harsh oyster]

zalcano has uniques?

[spring cipher]

i dont have hotfoot eya

[thorn marsh]

I do have Hotfoot..

[tawdry carbon]

go mass and KS everyone

[spring cipher]

crystal tool seed

[thorn marsh]

Tool Seed and Shard..

[spring cipher]

yep

[harsh oyster]

ah

[tawdry carbon]

damn clanker

we ramping boys we ramping..

https://giphy.com/gifs/excited-yes-nicolas-cage-RrVzUOXldFe8M

[harsh oyster]

next league they should have a relic that instantly maxes rc so i dont have to look at it

still so much left to do

after i get virtus its back to hard grinding tasks until t8

actually thats a lie i need quadrant still

[tawdry carbon]

i sure wish i grabbed soul harvest.

[torpid trench]

Whats the best way to use butler for gp? I was thinking having him mine ores, but Im looking on the wiki for a store where I can sell the ores, and apparently its just for tokkul 😂

[harsh oyster]

you can sell ores to general stores i think?

[spring cipher]

u have so much stuff to do for t8

why are u going after virtus so much lol

[harsh oyster]

cause im hardheaded and autistic

i decided i want virtus And thus I will get virtus

this entire league ive been focused more on skilling and maxing my gear than actually Doing Tasks thats just how i play i guess

[harsh oyster]

yea general stores will buy runite ore for 1280gp a piece so

pretty decent payout

mistrock mining supplies buys it for 2240 a piece actually

so thats probably better

[torpid trench]

i forgot general stores exist

[upper obsidian]

bwana the bwana aren't bwaning

maybe my barbarian gathering is fucking with the miniquest

[harsh oyster]

do you have a baited thingy thing

you still need a karambwan trap and karambwani even with barbarian gathering

Which is stupid and I hate it but it's how it is

[upper obsidian]

does it only work after in finish quest?

i have it filled with stuff

[harsh oyster]

you have to start the quest and learn how to fish karambwans from lubufu but you don't have to finish it no

[tawdry carbon]

yeah lubufu must teach you the way of karambwan, bwana*

[harsh oyster]

you have to have karambwani in your inventory too

not just the baited vessel

[upper obsidian]

after talking to lubu mans it's not working

like after getting the vessel and filling it etc

[harsh oyster]

oh the one Near him

does not work

for some reason

go to the other one near the fairy ring

i still havent figured out why its like that????? but yeah the one near lubufu is just broken

[upper obsidian]

ohhh

[tawdry carbon]

fairy ring

dkp

[harsh oyster]

yea

[tawdry carbon]

that is whar u must go bwana

you need only one karambwan, but it is good cooking xp to catch some more

[upper obsidian]

that's awesome jamflex

so great

[tawdry carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[smoky raft]

got my third 50m tonight

nice 600 points

[harsh oyster]

ok my melatonin is hitting time to pass out

virtus TOMORROW

[upper obsidian]

glgl

you got this

[smoky raft]

only 13500 points left til dragon

I also figured out that I've got about 5000 points behind stupidly easy tasks I just haven't done yet

stuff like "ferment 100 wines"

[hazy anvil]

Closing in

[tawdry carbon]

wtf

tower of life has a ton of points

[hazy anvil]

Ye it's got a few good tasks

[tawdry carbon]

needa catch so much random shit tho lol

raw jubbly

how do i get that w/o RFD?

oh i guess its done for me

[spring cipher]

half that shit

is in lumbridge/asgarnia

[upper obsidian]

how much harder is echo amox?

i just beat regular amox

[tawdry carbon]

not a lot harder but punishing if your movement is bad

when you see at the shadow at your feet, move one tile.

[upper obsidian]

ooh ok

[tawdry carbon]

when he makes a big aoe and turns your pray off, run away 2 tiles

and turn pray mage back on

[livid slate]

Also your next hit is 1tick after dodging

[tawdry carbon]

when he's low he will attack faster

thats really it

[shrewd mango]

random question, are vardorvis tasks not skippable? I have plenty of points but it doesn't seem like an option...

[tawdry carbon]

but if you panic/run around a lot you will get slapped

[upper obsidian]

i do that lmao

[tawdry carbon]

good time to practice and learn not to

osrs is a rhythm game

start gettin used to it

[upper obsidian]

current meta for amox is just to spam eat and move around

for me lol

[tawdry carbon]

lucky for you

echo amox if you do it right basically require no food

just prayer

[fickle thistle]

I just hit a full odds dragon spear

On brutal blues

Free me from this visage prison

[upper obsidian]

im 2 kills into amox

it's a bit easier

thing that's not entirely clear

[tawdry carbon]

time for the points to flow

[upper obsidian]

is how to move especially at the end

[tawdry carbon]

same thing

1 tile move 1 tile move, its just faster

when u see the shadow at ur feet, move

then attack

[spring cipher]

for echo moxi u move one tile per attack because ur weapon bescomes 1 tick

[tawdry carbon]

oh yeah now thats some fuckin points

k yall

i go bed

hopefully 60k+ tomorrow

[spring cipher]

53k tonight for me

works for me

[torpid trench]

So Ive spun up a new acc and gone into light weapons. Gonna avoid water magics and thorns beyond the starting thorns node for the 3dmg with a shield on. What are my other options for sustain with melee? Is it just the two 10% chance to self heals?

[pastel estuary]

if u get a crystal tool seed, do you get the option to turn it into any crystal tool without needing its dragon counterpart?

[torpid trench]

oh wait those are only for long distance stuff

[strange jacinth]

i think i will try earth water mage with thorns
the defence reduction on spell hits and flat damage with defence sounds interesting

[pure karma]

so close

but doom wont give me the boots

[weary drift]

Anyone know if it would be better to do library or soul runes with ZAW and no alacrity/harvest

[little wraith]

I think it's like 1000books from 90-99 so 6-7hrs of books or 16000 soul runes

[little wraith]

11 hours of soul runes if I did my math right but less attention needed for souls

[urban wigeon]

Woah am the only one at gem crab, never got this

[pure karma]

how many days left?

[potent leaf]

Hey guys what’s a better dps for tank water thorns should i go kodai or tham sceptre

[forest ice]

probably cause it's faster to afk melees with thorns

[crystal orbit]

Anyone know how to trigger 50M xp (prayer) task?

Hit 50M with soul shards, tried triggering with several bones/methods after 50M but wont complete.

[pure karma]

fill your prayer

then bury

is there any way to check how many echoes ive killed?

[crystal orbit]

Ty!

[crystal orbit]

Check summary

Leagues interface

[pure karma]

i keep forgetting that exists

ty

[crystal orbit]

Np:)

[scenic garden]

cool, I guess I'm not getting tob kc cause I keep dcing for no reason

[pure karma]

is this ring 1/217 per gold ring...?

[urban wigeon]

Might just have been too early, it's busy again

[modern ginkgo]

Woke up and first kill on Krill was an army hilt

I'm a happy man

Realised I've got shards 2 and 3 in abundance but shard 1 I'm short on lmao fml

[thorn marsh]

I got Awakened Vard to 14 fucking HP.. ;_;

[jovial bone]

Got some AFK time, do I just switch to lobster/tuna/swordfish as soon as I unlock’em?

[thorn marsh]

And then fucked up a prayer flick and got murdered by an axe..

[jovial bone]

Mainly for the tasks*

[fickle thistle]

Up to like 4k kills for a visage 🙁

[modern ginkgo]

Literally I've done the same, not that low HP but still a ballache

[modern ginkgo]

I was on 2.8k kills on wyverns and like 500 on iron/steel combined, you'll get there bud

[thorn marsh]

I fucking hate so much that the Awakener Orb is consumed on every attempt.. -_-

[fickle thistle]

I needed this ty

[modern ginkgo]

The first time I died and realised that I wasn't happy lol

[modern ginkgo]

Good luck!

[thorn marsh]

How the fuck am I supposed to practice this fight if I have to fucking AFK regular Vardovis ~16 times on average for every one attempt I get at Awakened Vard..?

[fickle thistle]

2500 brutal blues just tonight

[modern ginkgo]

Blues don't drop it do they?

[fickle thistle]

They do

Brutal blues drop at the same rate as metals

[modern ginkgo]

Ahhhh okay

[fickle thistle]

1/2k odds at ruins of tapoyaiok or whatever

[modern ginkgo]

Someone last night was farming a dragon for 2k kc that didn't drop it

I felt really bad

[fickle thistle]

Yeah I double checked the drop table before I started

[modern ginkgo]

Yeah I was basically 3.2k kc into it before I got it

You'll get there soon

But I've noticed since going dry there, other items are easier

I got 10 blood shards from 1 pickpocket in morty for a blood ammy

First pocket, 10 shards

[fickle thistle]

I’m gonna take my DFS to doom and get my confliction gauntlets when I’m done

I got avernics and eye already but I’m missing the one I need lol

[thorn marsh]

Fucking got it..

[fickle thistle]

Gz

How many attempts?

[thorn marsh]

I have no clue how many total, but I think five on this slayer task..

[potent quail]

You got Kandarin?

[thorn marsh]

This is my first task since getting, like, 39 pacts, and also Echo Boots for another layer of Recoil damage, so I'm way more prepared than I had been at any point before..

[fickle thistle]

Yeah but I’m not going to Mithrils

[thorn marsh]

Also, yay, I'm officially maxed on Pact points now..

[fickle thistle]

I’ve had this cave to myself for nearly 9 hours now

[potent quail]

Mithrils are worth it because pf the 26 extra clogs from ancient pages

[thorn marsh]

Not entirely sure what to take for Pact #40..

[fickle thistle]

I’ll worry about that when I get there

[potent quail]

And the full dragon helmet task that you can only get there

I think

[fickle thistle]

I have some chewed bones saved up. Maybe I’ll get lucky.

[thorn marsh]

+5 Defense Level or +25% accuracy..

[potent quail]

I tried to do most of my metal dragons on task

A bit annoying to jump to slayer master every 200-400 kills but the exp was dope

[fickle thistle]

Tried doing Mithrils and kept getting crashed so I just said screw it

I came here and I haven’t left

[potent quail]

Yeah fair

I did found a nice setup at the 4 dragon spot where me and the other guy can kill 2 Dragons

[modern ginkgo]

Yeah I did skele wyverns

Should have stuck to iron and steel drakes

Easier and faster to kill

I was stupid

[potent quail]

Very few people that actually have the dps to be able to use 3 spawns

I did got not that unlucky though got both items at 3200 kills

Great thing to afk though during work

With notification set up

Only thing i did was move away and back when i got the aggression notification

[thorn marsh]

Hella hoping I get the Ultor by the end of this task.. -_-

I've gotten the Gold Ring drop twice now.. Next time I hit the slot, it's an Ultor..

Hella wish it were easier to wake Vard up while maging.. -_-

[eternal pilot]

bring knives

just 1 throw

or atleast better odds

[thorn marsh]

Lol.. Lmao, even..

Completely fucking useless to me..

Just give me a fucking ring.. -_-

I want my 200 points..

[fickle thistle]

As I farm out this visage I’m torn between how I wanna finish off my water thorns build.

Stuck between light melee or powered staves for a little off spec.

I wanna cheese gauntlet and I’m kinda leaning towards powered staves but I’m unsure if I still need melee to try tob

[random mist]

can someone carry me through TOB`?

[thorn marsh]

Perfect kills on DT2 bosses only effect the amount of standard loot you get, correct..? It doesn't increase the rate of uniques..?

[modern ginkgo]

Awakened?

[thorn marsh]

Fuck no.. I killed Awakened Vard once, and I'm never fucking touching that again..

I don't fucking care about 3x better drop rates on uniques.. I can fucking AFK normal Vard as long as I want..

[pastel estuary]

anyone managed 100 zalcano kcs without hotfoot?

[pastel estuary]

correct - only affects standard loot which is useless is leagues

[thorn marsh]

Rad.. I can eat all the axes, then..

Just have to pay attention to the sound cue for prayer flicks..

[pastel estuary]

are you water mage?

[thorn marsh]

Yea, Water Thorns..

[pastel estuary]

yeahh u probs dont even need to worry about prayer ^^

[thorn marsh]

I'm barely hitting with my spells at all even.. Considering whether I should even bother with Water Surge and just bring my Trident instead..

I guess I need Surge to keep up prayer..

[pastel estuary]

did u take kandarin?

[thorn marsh]

Yea, KMT..

[pastel estuary]

i just used the shadowflame thing with water surge and afk'd ^^

i have flask so use that at the start and then afk

tbh i didnt have thorns at first and was only water mage so probs had higher accuracy/dmg

i made a second account and overlooked wrath runes so now i dno how im gonna do the hard content :'(...wave spells kinda hitting like a water gun

[strange jacinth]

man

[fickle thistle]

Yo that bites dude

Full odds?

[fluid fable]

Im a lil jelly

Wheres my full helm 🙁

I did use all the bones of course. No luck on them either tho

[fickle thistle]

Okay I checked both of my clients I’m at 4200 kc now

Why can’t I just peel off one of their faces?

[thorn marsh]

I have now seen six fucking Chromium Ingots, which are entirely useless because all the DT2 rings drop completed directly, and still have not seen my third Ultor Ring slot drop.. -_-

[merry sphinx]

need this thermy spoon too

echo bosses have spooned me on this alt

no more than 10 kills per item

[merry sphinx]

minion is the perfect smithing solve if you didnt take tiran

[pastel estuary]

anyone managed 100 kc at zalcano without hotfoot here? trying to figure out how im gonna do this

i cant get any contribution on the pre mining phase so im not getting kill credit in mass worlds

[torpid trench]

Is rune armor the highest defense melee armor you can get in varla/karam?

[past scroll]

2726 mithril dragons, still no full helm from chewed bones or visage

[torpid trench]

I did 3660 i think for visage, got 2 helms after 3k but before visage

grind on soldier

[little hare]

Anyone know if echo items stop vardorivs under 2mil cb achievement

[past scroll]

Best way to check is using the "view items kept on death"

See what the value is there

[little hare]

I was 400k but I didn’t get the achievement

I’ll try again

[past scroll]

I believe so yes

[past scroll]

My plan is a 4man group to get the kc

[pastel estuary]

how u gonna find those 4 people? or u got a group?

[past scroll]

Clan members probably

Not thought about finishing my kc there yet til I'm done with mithril dragons

[pastel estuary]

ahhh

gl gl

[fickle thistle]

It has been a very long night.

[thorn marsh]

Is there any way to cheese the "Survive 3 minutes in the middle 25 tiles of Vard's arena while he's in enrage" combat achievement..?

That's the last CA I have for him..

[pastel estuary]

u have morytania right?

i think the standard way is to justiciar + sara brew through it

[fickle thistle]

Do I have to beat zuk to do the 3 jad challenge

[pastel estuary]

only jad

[fickle thistle]

Word Ty

[modern ginkgo]

I need one more gsh 1

And all I'm getting is everything but

[pastel estuary]

gsh?

[modern ginkgo]

gss*

God sword shard

[pastel estuary]

ahhhh

[modern ginkgo]

I need number 1, I've got like 25 3's and 15 2's

[pastel estuary]

damnnn ^^

gl!!

u got all the hilts?

[modern ginkgo]

Yeah

Multiples of all hilts

I just got another shard 1 let's go! Now I can make 4 out of 5 godswords

Fucked if I'm going for ancient, Nex is hard to kill

Okay, I've got 4 godswords, Scythe of Virtur, Veracs Flail and Torags Hammers with a few other heavy weapons, would they be okay in my inven for me to go blind bag whilst wielding Nox Halb???

[chilly pine]

sure, you want your best 5 unique ones, so you can leave the flail and torag hammers in the bank, blindbag will pick from your best instead

[modern ginkgo]

What would be the best for it?

Scythe of Virtur and the godswords?

Or some echo weapons instead that are 2 handed?

[chilly pine]

just the godswords and scythe are 5, which is enough

the ones with the highest strength bonus

for the highest potential max hit

[modern ginkgo]

Ah perfect, thank you

Have you got a link to a decent blindbag pact build at all please?

[pure karma]

is there no way to teleport to the mage bank in leagues in the wilderness?

[timber quest]

Without heist? You could make an ice plat poh tele maybe

[chilly pine]

to get the most out of blindbag you want to also pact into ranged echos and possibly thorns

[pure karma]

5 scythes

[modern ginkgo]

Can a pact build at all?

[modern ginkgo]

I'll work towards it lol

[pure karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkYpbhTnmz8

watch this

its very silly

[modern ginkgo]

4 godswords and scythe will work until I get 5 scythes, right? Lol

[modern ginkgo]

Wait, so it's a bug and I shouldn't do it or?

[old tapir]

something like this

got the powered staff package in there too becuse most people want to be able to use lithic/sang as an option with alongside blind bag

[modern ginkgo]

What's the use of having powered staffs for there though?

[latent grail]

I hope we get 1 more pact reset :/

[modern ginkgo]

Like I've got powered staffs, trident, lithic etc

[old tapir]

bit of healing, and its useful to have something to attack with that has a faster tick rate in some places

but i guess if you're not tirr, its not as good

i assume you're atleast tirr and mory though

and there's not much else to get lol

[modern ginkgo]

I've got Asgarnia, Morty and Kandarin

[fickle thistle]

How do I change my thorns xp drop?

[weary shadow]

It's a bit jank, but select the attack XP type on your staff, turn auto retaliate off then on again. After go back to your spell of choice.

[pure karma]

ok what the hell

[weary shadow]

All the same god?

[pure karma]

sara body doesnt count

they forgot to add the body as an item for the set

how

[weary shadow]

Are you not missing the boots?

[pure karma]

read

only needs 3 items

[weary shadow]

Ahh

That's dumber then

[pure karma]

ive been clueing for almost 2 hours for this set lmao

[weary shadow]

Any luck on the others?

[pure karma]

nope

they really need a better QA department

now theyre just torturing me

[austere mirage]

Oh dragon battleaxe!
Needs Heroes Guild

Oh dragon scimar
Need to do monkey madness

[timber quest]

34kc lil'viathon lmao

[forest ice]

how do you get that text? the text in the Tasks list is correct

[past scroll]

Guys are we sure mithril dragons drops visage 😭

[merry sphinx]

crazy spoon

echo kbd, echo gg and echo thermy all done in under 50 kc

[pure karma]

plugin

guess the plugin is also bad

[timber quest]

Dupe levi pet somewhere in 50kc teehee

[remote crater]

thinking of respec for the tob grind

any "best" tob solo spec?

[pure karma]

cant water mage thorns solo hmt?

[timber quest]

I heard the fire capstone is hella cracked for nylo room but idk if that's solo/grou specific

[remote crater]

water mage do-able without kandarin?

[pure karma]

nope

[remote crater]

oof

[pure karma]

lmao literally every world has an afk water mage at corp

[forest ice]

looks like it's only the plugin that's bad

[pure karma]

yeah

[past forge]

any visage grinders

[toxic vortex]

I need to

[fleet ibex]

Already done my time

[modern ginkgo]

So, before I reset, just confirming for now, 4 different godswords and a scythe of virtur is fine whilst wielding noxious halberd for halberd blindbag build for procs, yes?

Or should I go torags, veracs flail, glacial and inferno hammers?

[past forge]

join me in brimhaven for visage

or ill go to waterfall wherever friends are

[modern ginkgo]

Same, almost 3k skelly wyverns for mine, took 12 hours

[past scroll]

3512 kc

[past forge]

only about 500 for me so i have a ways to go

[toxic vortex]

Yes.

You'd have to run the number comparison between the two but the first option is probably slightly better

But I think the range echoes favor the dual/multi hit weapons better

[modern ginkgo]

Depends on ranged echoes I take right? As I'm building into 7tile halb as well as blind bag so I won't have many pacts to pop into range echoes

[pure karma]

what ammo should i be using for corp?

[tacit oyster]

onyx bolts (e) are highest dps bolts in most cases

[harsh oyster]

OOPS

i actually died to vardorvis because i looked away for too long

[misty sigil]

anyone else with water thorns manage to hit fuck all on zuk?

i just kept splashing

[pastel estuary]

are you using shadowflame?

[misty sigil]

yeah shadowflame

[harsh oyster]

considering zuk has a 350 magic defense that makes sense

[pastel estuary]

also what build + how much accuracy do u have from pacts

[frail finch]

Hey how do you find a Barb Assault team on leagues? Theres no one on any world

[misty sigil]

acc is 85%

[potent quail]

Can check wiki dps calc what your hit rate is

[misty sigil]

i have water, air and thorns capstones

[potent quail]

Does it say 85%?

[misty sigil]

i even switched to air mage halfway through because of the max hit potential

[pastel estuary]

what gear? 85% isnt that high

thorns are useless vs zuk because ur not tanking damage from him so might be worth bringing a mage switch for the fight vs him

[minor summit]

Trying a third alt, going different relics, areas, etc. Going with Fremennik and Crossbow build (why? I know, just different from before). But, how in the hell can I get that pact for killing 8 penguins in 5 seconds?

[pastel estuary]

with full prayer gear switch?

[misty sigil]

my acc on dps calc is 98.62%

with my current pacts

on zuk it's 17% lol

[pastel estuary]

if ur in mage gear should be ok but if ur in ur tank gear for thorns with a shield your damage is probably going to suck

[misty sigil]

nah didn't bring a switch as i thought i'd be fine so just with a measly 21% pray

[pastel estuary]

did u manage to successfully kill him or need to go back in?

[misty sigil]

i need to go back annoyingly, i might bring devil's element with me for zuk

or do colo first for an extra pact point

[pastel estuary]

u really dont need supplies for inferno with water+air mage so you should be able to take a full switch

if necessary

what regions did u take and what gear are u wearing aha

[misty sigil]

ktm and wearing full crystal with blessing, dfs

[pastel estuary]

ohhh thats werid that doesnt even sound too bad

[tacit oyster]

crystal armor is very low mage accuracy if not using powered stave

[pastel estuary]

deffo swap the shield for devil's element at zuk tho

[pastel estuary]

ohhhh the bonus only applies to powered staves? didnt know that

[misty sigil]

it doesn't....

holy fuck i wasn't even wearing my blessing...

[pastel estuary]

wow

[misty sigil]

i was wearing a scepulcur grapple...

i did the whole thing on -8 mage bonuis

[pastel estuary]

whats ur best mage set?

do you have blue moon?

crystal isnt doing anything for u vs zuk

[tacit oyster]

it does at least go positive so full crystal gives +20 mage att instead of -40 but casting spells doesnt get the extra 15% damage and 30% accuracy buff

[misty sigil]

nah i've barely touched moons just wanted to see if i could do it lol

[pastel estuary]

seems like u can tho

blessing+devil's should be good

[tacit oyster]

blue moon armor would be +58 mage att but losing all defensive stats

[pastel estuary]

defence isnt going to save u vs zuk

[misty sigil]

i'll try again with blessing and element]

[tacit oyster]

yeah just helps tank ranger but can just wear tank gear until it dies

[pastel estuary]

good luck!!!

[misty sigil]

wait would i be better with a toxic trident then with the damage bonuses?

[harsh oyster]

isnt defense almost entirely necessary for an effective thorns build

[pastel estuary]

nahhhh any time u ahve to move with a 1t weapon ur dps is heavily reduced

zuk is all about moving and attacking

the double hit per attack on water staff is gonna be way more damage if u account the downtime in between attacks

[pastel estuary]

yeahh but we're only suggesting swapping the defence out at the zuk fight where u cant really proc thorns because if ur in a position to take damage you're potentially gonna get one shot

[potent quail]

Math! But yeah zuk is a tanky boy

[pastel estuary]

the maths is complicated because it's impossible to attack zuk on every tick unless ur standing still and chancing like 10 hits which is probably gonna end in tears

[misty sigil]

can you change thorns to str xp?

[pastel estuary]

in some situations

with powered staves and ranged weapons i believe

if u set ur melee (unequipped weapon) to strength

otherwise i think it uses the default attack style of the weapon you have equipped which for elemental staves is often (maybe always) attack

[toxic vortex]

Minion actually did a lot of work on my zuk kill.

[misty sigil]

i didn't even have my minion out

i'm such a boob

[toxic vortex]

I was splashing a lot

[pastel estuary]

u made it to zuk thats already huge

i made a second account because i wanted to try out regions i didnt take on my main but i messed up because i dont have wrath runes and didnt take kandarin so dno how im gonna brute force the content i managed on my main ^^

wave spells kinda derpin

[late oyster]

ik if you dont have a weapon equiped it will do strength. if you take kandarin just go do menical monkeys for like 30 mins and you can get 1-99

[pastel estuary]

if u dont have a weapon equipped it gives u xp in the attack style you have set

[zinc olive]

no zeah either?

[pastel estuary]

mory, tirann and asgarnia

[zinc olive]

ur cooked bruv

[pastel estuary]

😢

lmao

in went kourend, desert and kandarin on my main

damn i hope someone figures out a goofy way to somehow get wrath runes since i dont even have transmute

otherwise it's time to learn some mechanics

[late oyster]

you cant i dont thin

drops from mobs from frem and kourend. for making them at altar

[pastel estuary]

u can get them from kandarin too via barbarian assault

maybe smth like that

although if it did exist im sure it wouldve been discovered

im coping

[late oyster]

only can get them from kandrin frem and zeah

or transmute

[pastel estuary]

maybe ill have to try tob and get a sanguinesti staff and see if that can do what needs to be done

[zinc olive]

omg i just discovered a new wrath method, if you run 100000000 perfect hmt in a row it adds a 1/32k wrath rune drop to the table

[pastel estuary]

sanguinesti+justiciar could be a budget water thorns alternative aha

[late oyster]

yeah just spec into sceptres and get full crystal and get sang and you can do all the content with that

could also get lithic sceptre and do pretty much all content with that too

[pastel estuary]

does it heal?

[late oyster]

just spec into it sceptres regening water runes

i did regen water and air runes for free healing and prayer

[pastel estuary]

1hp per tick is gonna feel like poverty compared to the healing i was getting from water+shadowflame ^^

[late oyster]

well yeah it wont definately wont heal as much but you can do everything with it till you get sang

plus healing from thorns

[pastel estuary]

i did solo nex yesterday with water wave spells + thorns but not fully capped water tree and that might be the hardest thing i've ever done in this game lol

i dno how it's gonna fare against harder content lol

[pure karma]

this is so hard. how do i dodge the tail slam attack?

[zinc olive]

idk huey is dumb and annoying

[pure karma]

what is that lmao

[zinc olive]

ive heard there's a safespot for it but idk how true that is or if im just gaslighting myself into thinking i heard it somewhere

[pure karma]

i installed the tile pack for the safespot and it didnt do anything

[past scroll]

There is 2 safespots

[zinc olive]

it's so jover

[past scroll]

You move between them

[pure karma]

but when do i move

[past scroll]

Depending on the tail slam side

[past scroll]

Thosr aren't the safespots

[pure karma]

start on red and go to green?

nice

[past scroll]

Those are for the skip

I cant post pics here lol

[harsh oyster]

fuckin 61 farming to plant some Grass?

i hate farming

time to go evaporate a bunch of cave crawlers i guess

[past scroll]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fhueycoatl-help-v0-07wdpjlsc5of1.png%3Fwidth%3D919%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D50f88c49fd9bd90e8994b84c8d4cbd63bfd81e42

The green tiles

[toxic vortex]

its really big grass though

[past scroll]

When the slam is coming from the west, stand on the east green tile and swap sides when the slam comes from other side

[rugged pike]

Need to know what to take for my reloaded

Its larceny, culling spree, soul harvest, or conniving clues

[zinc olive]

what areas

[rugged pike]

Varl, karam, kandarin, and wildy

Going mory next

[zinc olive]

id take culling personally

[pure karma]

sh gives you free rc pet

[rugged pike]

Currently have endless harvest, hotfoot, evil eye, transmutation, nature's accord, and grimoire

[pastel estuary]

i would personally take larcenist

what are ur goals and are there any skills that u dont have solves for?

and what regions?

[rugged pike]

Regions

[pure karma]

do i need to bring a mage switch for hueys tail? kings barrage aint cutting it.

[rugged pike]

Just wanna make as much progress and do some nutty pvm stuff with pacts, but also wanna get as many 99s as I can

[pastel estuary]

tahts the worst weapon u can take against it lol

[zinc olive]

id take whichever of the double hit weapons you got

[pure karma]

yeah it is

[pastel estuary]

are u doing masses or solo?

[pure karma]

trying to solo for wand

[pastel estuary]

how long are the kcs?

[pure karma]

5 minutes

lmao

[pastel estuary]

nahhh

[pure karma]

kb does no damage at all to tail

[pure karma]

think i only have the amox echo item

[pastel estuary]

if u can find a world with like 3-5 people doing it then you probs hit ur max chance at getting uniques even accounting for the fact that u could get sniped

[pastel estuary]

thats perfect tbh

i think a 1 tick wand is fine too

just make sure crush is ur highest attack bonus so ur max hit is 9 instead of 4

[rare hollow]

any use of ayak in leagues?

if i already have 1t trident node

special attack for reducing mage def?

[toxic vortex]

thats about it

[harsh oyster]

i cant. fucking upgrade my restoration pool because my herblore is too low

obliterate herblore

is there any fast way at all to train herblore without butler

[misty sigil]

died to zuk, managed to get to enrage but then jad came out and killed me

[gilded robin]

Hey guys, best way to get a Crystal Crown without abundance?

I have mory and kandarin with larc

[vapid silo]

steal from elves

[rare hollow]

did u somehow skip all the way to enrage and jad popped out?

and the healers were also active at the same time

[misty sigil]

yeah lol

melted zuk

[rare hollow]

ah

bbc?

[misty sigil]

got done in by one]

[upper ledge]

As a noob to these raids. Do people on leagues just help carry people through them?

[rare hollow]

big black crossbow

king's barrage

[misty sigil]

nah water mag/thorns

[rare hollow]

dam we're you tanking zuk or something

[misty sigil]

nah i just kept hitting, seems if i wear crystal blessing and use minon

[rare hollow]

you could do that in cox and not interact with room and not grief the team

[wind hemlock]

Are water spell tank viable without echo staff?

[rare hollow]

oh snap

[pastel estuary]

i dno if i should go minion or flask on my second account

any minion salespeople?

i went flask on my main and love it so much but maybe minion is sleeper

[modern ginkgo]

I don't mind minion, Fully upgraded but doesn't seem to do too much from what I personally notice

[rare hollow]

minion is more

of the lower end pvmer

[modern ginkgo]

Could come down to items I gave him

[rare hollow]

sorry not sorry

[pastel estuary]

how do axe and flask stack up for u?

[rare hollow]

so flask is obviously goated

[pastel estuary]

ahhhh

[rare hollow]

ambro bomb

[vapid silo]

axe is not worth even considering

[pastel estuary]

i've seen so many minions just standing there and im mad for their owners

[rare hollow]

if your build is good enough by the time u think to flask again its just a 1min cooldown

[pastel estuary]

but maybe it's a visual bug

[rare hollow]

axe is like a trap, so less people took it so it looks better

[fair swallow]

Axe does more damage overall then both flask and minion, change my mind

[pastel estuary]

well i inted my build

[fair swallow]

[rare hollow]

axe simply skips enrage

thats all it does

[pastel estuary]

does it heal? restore prayer? do the dishes?

[tacit oyster]

if you have kourend too you can regenerate onyx bolts on crab puzzle with high ammo regen

[fair swallow]

Imagine needing heals and prayer

[pastel estuary]

and sell them to who?

[rare hollow]

all it does is clean up IF your dps is garbage

[fair swallow]

All I see is massive cope

[rare hollow]

if your dps is very good then it is more of a burden

[pastel estuary]

im in the same position except with asgarnia instead of kandarin

thieving from elves is my highest gp atm

[tacit oyster]

shilo village general store with karamja gloves will buy them for high alch value

[pastel estuary]

and it fully solves smithing + crafting

[rare hollow]

i know one cc mate who took it

[pastel estuary]

2.1m xp in both crafting and smithing per inventory of eternal teleport seeds

[pastel estuary]

ooooo

[rare hollow]

karamja gloves 3 btw

[pastel estuary]

shame i have kourend on my account that has abundance and no tirann

[pastel estuary]

what do the third tier do over the first tier?

[timber quest]

I didn't run any numbers but I preferred stealing ore from thzaar, tm'ing upto rune (if u have it) then selling it in Mistrock for my crystal crown

[pastel estuary]

where's mistrock?

[timber quest]

Feels calc > actual calc, right? XD

South of Aldarin

[pastel estuary]

ahhh

i dont have transmute

[timber quest]

Aaah sheet

[pastel estuary]

but i have rogues outfit + larce so maybe elves is it

have u done 100kc at zalcano?

i dno how tf im gonna do that without hotfoot

im not doing 100 solo kills at zalc

[rare hollow]

lets u sell in karamja general store i think

[pastel estuary]

not even doing 1

[pastel estuary]

ahhhh

[rare hollow]

im not really sure but in the wiki for better profit says get gloves 3 for that store

so it can probably be anything of HA value if u have a stack of em

larcenists just have an easy way of stacking thats all

[pastel estuary]

ooooh interesting

[timber quest]

I have not, I have 2 buddies who have hot foot who is gonna carry me though tho xD

[tacit oyster]

yeah i just pointed the onyx bolts in cox crab puzzle since it is technically fastest way to get gp. 9k gp every 0.6sec (assuming 100% regen)

[pastel estuary]

how they gonna carry u?

[timber quest]

They'll let me get enough damage for the kc xD

[pastel estuary]

u dont get kill credit without doing damage to both phases

[timber quest]

Yee so they will hold off and give me time to get some damage to sheild phase

[pastel estuary]

ahhh i see well i wont say no to an invitation ^^

[timber quest]

Sure, what's ur ign I'll hit you up :)

Mine is the same as here

[pastel estuary]

ParAnaemia

[timber quest]

Sweet will give you a shout

[white marsh]

Is it intentional that Mahogany seeds aren't part of the hardwood transmute list 🤔

[tacit oyster]

you can transmute teaks to mahogany. cannot transmute mahogany to sailing seeds though

[bronze tangle]

what are some reasonable cox scaling values so I can at least have a marginal chance at loot as a solo?

[tacit oyster]

i dont think it is really worth scaling them, you want to do challenge mode for the very high purple chance buff though

[bronze tangle]

feel like I'm going to get absolutely dunked in cm

oh well let's try anyway

[tacit oyster]

i think cm solos you get 100k+ points if you do not die which would get multiplied close to the cap of 570k points (65% chance at purples)

[merry sphinx]

lmao went afk at mith drags

came back to 3 visages

🥄

[bronze tangle]

I just can't get past tekton in the first room due to magic/ranged immunity 🫠

[tacit oyster]

yeah i also had to melee tekton

dwh + full bloodmoon was enough to do it for me

[white marsh]

Ah, thanks!

[pure karma]

out of all the drops i could get...

[bronze tangle]

i have full blood moon but only dual boppers

[pure karma]

i got the dupe

[pastel estuary]

does the amulet of blood fury heal off of thorns?

seems to use charges on every proc

[tacit oyster]

dual macuahuitl are fine without defence reduction spec if you have a lot of accuracy demonic pacts

[past scroll]

4000 mithril dragons, finally got dfh from a chewed bone (113 of them). No visage

[dense forge]

Thorns counts as melee and Blood fury uses charges on every melee attack, whether or not it procs

[tacit oyster]

yeah and blood fury cannot overheal since it is not demonic pact

[pastel estuary]

but can it proc off thorns?

[pastel estuary]

ahh yhh thats a bit of a bummer

[tacit oyster]

blood fury can activate from throns damage, uses charges even if it does not heal and cannot overheal

[pastel estuary]

ahhh so u could get a double heal from a thorns proc in theory

not worth wasting charges with it tho it seems

[tacit oyster]

you really need larcanist if you plan on using thorns with blood fury

[pastel estuary]

got that + rogue's outfit

[harsh oyster]

oh yay

[pastel estuary]

but even still, thorns was chewing through charges like crazy

[harsh oyster]

pet before the ultor ring

[pastel estuary]

congrats!!!

pets persisting across leagues is such a nice touch

[merry sphinx]

dont think anything annoys me more in this leagues than guys with thorns running across you taking aggro and taking all the npcs

[harsh oyster]

oh wait so ill still have butch in leagues 7?

[pastel estuary]

i think it would be nice if jagex made leagues npcs despawn and respawn if not damaged after a certain amount of time

[harsh oyster]

Neat

[pastel estuary]

although my solution doesnt fully solve ur problem, it is quite annoying entering an area and having to cull the area of tainted npcs for no payoff

what's the hardest content everyone's done this leagues even despite all the help that pacts and relics offer?

[merry sphinx]

im so dumb

had a barrows task and thought it was chests not brothers

[misty sigil]

it's annoying that it isn't chests

like if i'm going for 200 i don't mean i want to open 66 chests

[past forge]

looking for recs on which areas have some of the easiest demoinc pact points :)

[harsh oyster]

fucking Echo Amox

Awful fight

[misty sigil]

i love ddr the boss fight

[late helm]

She’s a really fun fight imo

[harsh oyster]

as someone that does not do bossing or much pvm at all in the main game it was a godawful introduction to echo bosses

not fun at all

ive still only beat her one time and i died at the same time she did and i dont intend to do it again

[late helm]

Probably anything that isn’t a raid region or high slayer requirement if you don’t want to grind high slayer

[late helm]

What did you find so awful about it? It took me a few tries to get the mechanics down but I prefer bosses that you have to engage with the mechanics instead of bosses you just stand there afk

[harsh oyster]

i agree but i prefer when the mechanics are actually mechanics and not just "click 5 times in 1 tick or you die"

i love Default amox amox is a good boss fight she's fun with good mechanics

echo amox deletes those mechanics in favour of 900 damage per tick if you dont move perfectly with the 80% chance you get fucked over by lag or delays

[past forge]

i alrdy have 97 slayer tbh so its fine just am anoob kinda looking for easy pact pts in case i need to cop out and get them

[late helm]

I didn’t take wilderness but the demonic pacts and tasks in general look pretty easy. Tiranwin is also pretty easy if you can do echo hunlef

[past forge]

yeah i was originally goiong to go KTM

im doing water throsn

but skiupped T second and am just KM atm

Wildy does seem super fun tbh but was prob bets unlocked as a first or second zone

although if idc about that rlly i can just take it for funs sake but good to know an laternative would be Tiranwyn maybe will be KTM after all

[pastel estuary]

Ooooh this took me a few times to get down but after i did i felt it was actually a really good boss to cement the muscle memory of the tick rate of the game. If it was less punishing of losing the rhythm and had some sort of mechanic that helped players get back into the flow of things, I think it would make for a really decent early-mid game boss.

[modern ginkgo]

Right, gonna re spec to halberd and blindbag build and then go for 4 more scythes, wish me luck as I'm running noxious helb with 4 god swords and virtur scythe 😄

[mighty zodiac]

try echo hespori if you have kourend, much easier intro to echo bosses

[pastel estuary]

ohhh that boss sucked for me and the drop is liquid fecal matter

[mighty zodiac]

Echo grotesque guardians are actually easier than the normal boss too

and then there's thermy... Suffering

[modern ginkgo]

Echo grotesque is literally pray range, out heal and dodge big aoe

[pastel estuary]

thermy is so much better designed in its echo form

[modern ginkgo]

Don't even need to attack the 2 side ones

[mighty zodiac]

Well designed but it's hard to find an opening to attack

[harsh oyster]

i agree

[mighty zodiac]

If you're doing mechanics properly

[late helm]

Well it is good as a first or second region BECAUSE it has easy tasks and demonic pacts

[harsh oyster]

pretty much every other echo boss is better designed i truly have no idea what they were thinking with amox

ive done other echos now, i dont have hespori, don't need an intro, i just still think echo amox sucks ass

[mighty zodiac]

One thing with echo ggs is that it's still a fun fight but somehow less awesome than the original too

[late helm]

I think echo amox is great. It’s purely avoidable damage if you have mastered the mechanics. That’s good skill expression imo

[toxic vortex]

we are on the way

[pastel estuary]

you can work your way towards it though ... start by tanking the middle hit in enranged phase and then once you get that down introduce the prayer switch in the middle

[harsh oyster]

yes but you shouldn't need to have "mastered the mechanics" for The First Echo Boss You Can Feasibly Face

[late helm]

Echo ggs with water thorns is completely afk - idk how you could consider that better design

[harsh oyster]

i think the CONCEPT of echo amox has a place in the game but it should not have been the first regions echo boss at all

[old finch]

you can afk most things with it tbf

[pastel estuary]

which one would u put first

[old finch]

i mostly afk'd echo thermy with water

all i did was prayer

[mighty zodiac]

I actually do the prayer switch but tank the hit rather than use the pads

[harsh oyster]

mechanically i think echo thermy is easy to get down and interesting enough and extremely different from standard thermy

probably that

[pastel estuary]

i think the first echo boss is always going to feel harder because you have barely any pacts to brute force your way past its mechanics

[past forge]

go go go! what world?!

[late helm]

You can kill echo amox with almost any gear and a few demonic pacts. It seems like a good first echo boss to me. Especially considering the normal boss unlocks the glacial hammers which does great there

[harsh oyster]

i went back to echo amox with my current build and still cannot effectively beat it

im sure echo amox is fantastic for people that regularly pvm/boss but for normal people it is not good at all

[pastel estuary]

what is ur current build?

[tacit oyster]

echo amox would be the easiest boss since it allows you to use slow weapons at faster speed which buffs dps. Requires good timing though

[harsh oyster]

waterthorns

[old finch]

i dont want to be mean but get good

[late helm]

That’s why I think bosses that you need to move around are better designed echo bosses

[old finch]

echo amox is really easy

[tawdry carbon]

actually on the contrary, IMO echo amox is a great first echo boss because it teaches two very important things to new players:
dont panic, and movement.

[harsh oyster]

i was running dharoks w blisterwood flail and thorns for echo amox specifically since crush weakness

[tawdry carbon]

LFG boys calquat doth GROWN

[tawdry carbon]

What's killing you?

[pastel estuary]

pre or post echo amox nerf?

[tawdry carbon]

this is post lol

[tacit oyster]

i was killing echo amoxliatl with ham joint blindbag until i realised it clears your attack delay

[harsh oyster]

i am fully aware this is a Skill Issue but i think the fact that i can beat every other echo boss well enough without cheese is probably an indicator that its not purely a skill issue and its completely nonsensical to have a tick-perfect boss on bad servers as your first regions echo boss

[late helm]

Are you intentionally trying to learn the mechanics or just stand afk and try and brute force it?

[old finch]

its not even tick perfect esp if you're water

[tawdry carbon]

It's not tick perfect, you have lots of slack.
Did you try not attacking and just getting the timing down on dodging?

[harsh oyster]

there are no mechanics TO learn the mechanics are click click click

[late helm]

Who are you beating without cheese?

[old finch]

brother what do you think mechanics are

[tawdry carbon]

one step closer boys

[pastel estuary]

it is tick perfect during enraged phase ... it attacks every 2 ticks which gives u 1 tick to attack and the other to move with no leeway

[old finch]

"Mechanics" isn't limited to perfect prayers or picking up and using items or something litereally every boss is click click click

[late helm]

If you can’t beat echo amox, I am having trouble believing you are beating any echo boss without cheese

[tawdry carbon]

he does not have to attack every tick

[old finch]

literally this

[pastel estuary]

thats gonna make it even harder surely

[tawdry carbon]

it isn't