leagues-general

[winged sinew]

it is better, but still doesn't make it useless in leagues

that was my point

[spring cipher]

im saying is generally useless

lol

have u taught tob to a group of league only players main game

its a tragedy

.>

[winged sinew]

almost nothing

i disagree

there is a lot

[harsh oyster]

i think ill run ToB soon but run ToA when i return to main next month

so i can actually start learning real raids

[winged sinew]

you just need a brain

[languid belfry]

Hey, at least the masori point came easy.

[winged sinew]

to filter out the league stuff

[languid belfry]

Leagues is nice to learn the actual mechanics as long as you don't purposely skip it

especially the lower powered ones

[shy light]

yeah masori head was my first one. and I also have asg so I can make fortified if I want

[spring cipher]

which most people do lool

[languid belfry]

I learned ToA in Trailblazer

when I had to do magic without shadow for like 30 kills

which was barely better than playing vanilla

lol

as a result this leagues I know what mechanics I can skip and can't

[shy light]

long ranged Nhally ToA is stupidly fun

[languid belfry]

(And often lose kill time because I end up respecting too many mechanics lol)

Also as much as people bitch about water + thorns

can I say I'm so glad magic isn't completely useless without a shadow in a limited mode for once

[harsh oyster]

people bitch about waterthorns??

[thorn marsh]

Are there any reasonable ways to make money for the Crystal Crown in Tir without Larcenist..?

[languid belfry]

Instead it's useless without Shadowflame but you get the idea

Too easy/AFK/braindead or w.e

[winged sinew]

@spring cipher the people you have played pvm with that coould not use their brain to seperate the mechanics is not everyone

[harsh oyster]

it is Definitely not useless

[languid belfry]

It's much more usable

but hyperbole is fun

[harsh oyster]

i still dont have the quadrant but i still melt like 99% of everything

[languid belfry]

but also too much shit randomly has 900 magic defense

[harsh oyster]

its just slightly higher effort

[languid belfry]

at least stuff that has pact points

[spring cipher]

u wanna know what they told me? they mastered tob in leagues and that they understand the mechanics

[languid belfry]

Looking at you phosani

[spring cipher]

and tech

[harsh oyster]

vard

[spring cipher]

cause they did it the "main game way"

[languid belfry]

Die in a fire phosani

Vard too.

Fuck you too Vard.

[winged sinew]

[languid belfry]

And also for some obscure reason, the god damn baboons in ToA baba room

have 900 defense.

[spring cipher]

and they are worse than first time raiders that hasnt done tob

lol

[languid belfry]

vs mage.

[harsh oyster]

i have extremely good melee equipment because i was originally aiming for a melee thorns build anyways so thankfully i ALSO melt vard

[winged sinew]

unlucky

[languid belfry]

thankfully thorns or flask kills them

but god damn, why does shit in runescape just randomly have 900 defense vs magic

[harsh oyster]

felt like it

[spring cipher]

because bad habits have been built and i cant over write it without them getting offended that they have to learn from scratch, to this day they only have the 2-3 kc ive brute forced a clear for them, its been 4 years now and they havent tried since

[languid belfry]

It feels like a targetted fuck you

[scenic garden]

because they're designed to be fought with different styles

[winged sinew]

well at least i will not think i can do the same in main game so i am the proof you can learn from leagues

[harsh oyster]

i mean the ACTUAL reason is to encourage a variety of playstyles instead of letting people stagnate with one giga broken build

which is cool

[winged sinew]

you just played with dumb people

[languid belfry]

Some people just refuse to learn or put any effort in the games they play. If you tell them to do any research or any practice, they tell you that you're not the one paying their Membership/sub money.

[scenic garden]

but that doesn't work in a region-locked leagues where 2/3 styles are gonna be gimped by lack of access to gear

[languid belfry]

Yeah I figured. But damn does it feels bad in modes that want you to go one style lmao.

yeah

[spring cipher]

yo thats exactly what they told me

LOL

[languid belfry]

Oh hey, you got the FFXIV classic.

[spring cipher]

they even told me that i was wrong in my methods despite having over 1300 kc of tob at the time while they had 0

btw

[languid belfry]

Where people at level 100 stand in death circles, get mad that the devs dare make a dungeon boss (that's baby mode) where the force each party member to solo fight one simple boss.

Or are unhappy when you tell them to please use AOE when there's 3+ mobs because basic division/multiplication is hard

[spring cipher]

when you make 100 players answer the question 1+1 someone is bound to answer 3

[languid belfry]

To the point SE is now...Checks in the combat rework, making it so abilities automatically turn into AOE.

[harsh oyster]

i still think leagues is quite good for learning a lot of things

[languid belfry]

So that those players no longer have a choice.

[winged sinew]

it is

[languid belfry]

barring not pressing buttons.

[harsh oyster]

i mean its teaching me movement and prayer swaps and all sorts of other shit because in spite of having a "broken build" theres still a lot of stuff im having to learn before my build is Actually Broken

[languid belfry]

You say that, but 14 has a simple 24 man boss that has people do 1+1 and other basic addition

and there is always 2-4 people who fail the mehcanic

*mechanic

[spring cipher]

well i hope so and if you do manage to learn then good for you cause most "league raiders" in my personal experience has been nothing but tragic

[scenic garden]

how do drops work?
Like is this 1/42 per kill? or 1/42 if I hit the "other" table?

[spring cipher]

i believe its 1/42 per kill

[winged sinew]

some bad apples does not make it bad for everyone, they did not learn

[harsh oyster]

its 1/42 per kill unless otherwise specified

[languid belfry]

(Boss sets your hp to a single digit, tells you to make your HP odds, evens, or a multiple of a number with AOEs that add 1, 2, 3, or 4 HP to your max HP)

Somehow we always have people who fail it

[scenic garden]

cause I'm at 418 mith drag kills with 4 chewed bones to show for it on a 1/42 drop rate. I should have 9-10

[harsh oyster]

it will say below the header "x/x chance to roll table" usually

[spring cipher]

some bad apples
my guy ive taught about 20-30 of those type of players
and 30/30 were like this

🤣

[winged sinew]

cap

[spring cipher]

tho its usually through clans and such

[harsh oyster]

runescape drop rate is rng, not like "guaranteed one in 42"

its a die roll

[winged sinew]

no way nobody can use their brain

[spring cipher]

no cap lol

30/30

not a single leaguer

[harsh oyster]

Well

[winged sinew]

i don't beleive it

[fickle thistle]

i have begun mithril dragon prison

[spring cipher]

yet ive taught people who hasnt gone through the leagues phase and they learn just fine

theres a reason why i have this bias

lol

[languid belfry]

It is not. Reminder that programming RNG is not equatable to a dice roll/isn't truly random.

It's based off whatever seed the RNG is using.

[harsh oyster]

yeah yeah semantics

point stands though its not the other thing either though

[winged sinew]

bad luck by who you interact with

[languid belfry]

And if the seed isn't designed or populated properly, you have chances of streaks

that wouldn't normally happen in a truly random environment

Depending on what model is used.

[harsh oyster]

there are some specific outliers as well though like the echo orbs being guaranteed within or at a certain kc but for the most part its rng

[spring cipher]

well its mostly like previous clans, hanging out with friends, new clan members join and ask to learn, insist they have leagues exp with proof of 50kc hmt whatever and such

[languid belfry]

This is also why some RNG functions use streak prevention

to avoid cases for you hit a 1/20, 20x in a row

lol

[spring cipher]

thats where most of my encounters were

and generally they came off as like "yea i did this before so u dont need to repeat urself i already know!"

but then make the mistake over and over

so it left a sour taste in my mouth

[winged sinew]

well i would stop talking to them if they exepct to start using leagues mechanics

in main game

[scenic garden]

I know rng is rng but it's so frustrating that it works this way

[spring cipher]

well you know i did

lol

[harsh oyster]

thems the breaks i guess

[spring cipher]

its not like i stuck around

[harsh oyster]

youre playing the rngest of rng games im not sure what to tell u on that one

Simply Get The Drops.

[spring cipher]

i also notice that only happens in more casual social clans too even social pvm clans

so uh yea

i just stick to going with friends now

C:

no more stress

[simple marsh]

i learned zulrah rotations from leagues

[languid belfry]

Carry me

[winged sinew]

yea, because the envoirments are, more casual

[languid belfry]

But nah I'm learning ToB and having fun with it

I want to find a deathball solve that's not just "get good and learn tick eat timing idiot"

but honestly it's beginning to look like it lmao

[simple marsh]

I tick eat those

(I’ve never done a tob in my life)

[languid belfry]

I know you can

but

I tried even pie spam

and it didn'

[harsh oyster]

leagues forced me to learn amox

[winged sinew]

I have only done entry mode i n main game

[languid belfry]

didn't clear the queue in time

[harsh oyster]

which was the first Real boss ive done

[simple marsh]

hav you tried odd pie spam

[languid belfry]

Yes.

[languid belfry]

on water + thorns?

[spring cipher]

generally in a proper team you just split it unless people are low hp and then you tick eat it, generally doesnt happen unless its hmt

[languid belfry]

Can't you literally just sit in an ice puddle

[spring cipher]

also btw

did u know

[languid belfry]

people ran away from me

[spring cipher]

u cant tick eat death ball if ur overhealed

[languid belfry]

Wait is that why, fuck

Can I do perseverance?

[harsh oyster]

yes but i fought amox super early on before i knew waterthorns existed

[simple marsh]

maybe a hot take but amox is actually one of my favorite main game bosses

[harsh oyster]

thorns alone is not particularly useful at all

[simple marsh]

super chill

[languid belfry]

I uh, literally respecced to pure thorns

to sit in her aoe

but I also had endless sustenance by then

lmao

[spring cipher]

the reason is because u need to actually heal the same tick u take the death ball
but if ur capped out and overhealed, ur food cant heal anymore = the tick eat doestn work
thats why main game the only way to tick eat is if ur under 99 hp so u can eat a shark or something
drink a brew if ur 99 or eat an angler if ur 99

[harsh oyster]

i was doing light weapons/thorns initially and had to actually learn amox's moveset and kill her

[spring cipher]

there has to be some sort of healing

involved

[languid belfry]

[spring cipher]

if u eat and ur food doesnt "heal you"

the tick eat doesnt register

[languid belfry]

Alright this makes sense why I can tick eat spam the maze

but I can't do the same for the death ball

because my hp is constantly above 100 when fighting the actual boss

[covert night]

does hydra claw drop as dragon hunter lance?

[harsh oyster]

yes

[languid belfry]

Good mechanical knowledge

[simple marsh]

so what you’re saying is to work on, roughly speaking, p neck timing to tick eat sottesteg?

[spring cipher]

fun fact u can "tick eat" the death ball at verzik but it requires a locator orb and redemption main game
u would drop to low hp and then activate locator orb to activate redemption prayer to heal you the same tick u get nailed by the death ball but nobody really brings it in cause its silly to do so

[harsh oyster]

rng gods not blessing my ass tonight i am NOT getting virtus

[winged sinew]

@spring cipher If i were to respecc my 40 pact points to do tob, what would the best build be?

[spring cipher]

tbh any build is fine if ur doing teams

like u can clear reg tob in leagues anytime u want

[languid belfry]

I feel like I'm going to have to learn the tech if people keep running away from me in final phase hard mode

🙁

[spring cipher]

this is why i took flask

cause i know people will do that

[languid belfry]

I have flask

was I just being too nice in using it to phase her

lol

[spring cipher]

then save ur flask for that

[languid belfry]

Yeah okay fuck being nice then lmao

[spring cipher]

yea

lol

[languid belfry]

how about deathball from boss 4/dog

can you flask that too?

[winged sinew]

I want a different build than my mage thorns build. I am thinking about respeccing but what would make tob easier, both solo and team?

[simple marsh]

you took the flask to protect yourself from shitters

I took the flask because I am a shitter

We are not the same

[spring cipher]

as some of my friends would say "id only do it in human teams"

[harsh oyster]

i think i gotta like

i gotta get to t8

i want minion

[languid belfry]

I mean if they don't grief me, they can be lizard people and I don't care

but if people are trolling me with not stacking for stack mechanics

Yeah okay you're on your own

I can comfortably anchor/last clear in HMT atm

[spring cipher]

ye

[languid belfry]

I think

[spring cipher]

exactly

[languid belfry]

As long as I don't get deathballed

[winged sinew]

or is thorns/water/overheal the best?

[spring cipher]

tbh any built can work

just because ur so strong in leagues

[languid belfry]

If you are fine with anchoring a team, water thorns is guaranteed to let you survive

[spring cipher]

so it doesnt matter

[languid belfry]

but uh, builds that are really nice to have off the top of my head

[winged sinew]

waht if i want solo?

[spring cipher]

so its more of ur preference

[harsh oyster]

i should

PROBABLY

[languid belfry]

don't do water thorns solo

[winged sinew]

I don't care about team

[languid belfry]

your shit barely works

[harsh oyster]

go evaporate echo thermo a few more times

[simple marsh]

how does prayair fair at tob

[harsh oyster]

whats the pity kc for quadrant/element

[spring cipher]

very good dps

but bad at bloat

[languid belfry]

pray air is very good dps

but -yeah

[spring cipher]

good everywhere else

[winged sinew]

i want it to be as easy as possible for me

[languid belfry]

that's mage in general though vs bloat

bloat kneecaps you if you're anything but melee

so bring a melee swap

[winged sinew]

i was hoping it would be melee

or range

guess i will be a air mage

[languid belfry]

water + thorns is great vs basically every boss

[winged sinew]

F

[languid belfry]

besides... boss 1 and bloat

[simple marsh]

I’m also slowly working on a light weapon/thorns/fire magic builds for my account with mory access

[languid belfry]

sounds fun

[winged sinew]

I will try tob before respeccing

[languid belfry]

yeah

[spring cipher]

air mage is giga strong

[languid belfry]

just give it a shot

[spring cipher]

i would join a team anyways tho

[languid belfry]

Air mage is strong but you have to actually play the game/pray right.

[winged sinew]

and i will just get some gear that works with melee too

[spring cipher]

barely tho i guess i do have ample experience so it doesnt feel that way

[languid belfry]

Whereas water mage the only thing that will kill you is attacking into reflect from the bat boss, or people ignoring death ball

[winged sinew]

bloat, what melee style should i use?

[spring cipher]

slash

all bosses in tob are weak to slash

[languid belfry]

by play the game I mean you can't sit there and skip praying altogether on bosses

and still live lol

[winged sinew]

ok

[spring cipher]

oh yea

lol

[winged sinew]

so kraken whip

[spring cipher]

yes

[winged sinew]

easy enough

[languid belfry]

actually anyone wanna do a HMT run

after I charge my scythe

(how many blood runes do I even need to charge this)

[winged sinew]

speak of the devil

i already have like 5+

but funny

[spring cipher]

training to 99 cooking

[winged sinew]

talks about the whip and it drops

[spring cipher]

gotta put 3000 more of these badboys in this cooking range

[languid belfry]

nice

[winged sinew]

new conspiracy, mention the drop you want here and you will get it in leagues within 3 min

[languid belfry]

I wished that work for me in Zenytes

[winged sinew]

well 3 min

[languid belfry]

I unironically had to do a religious sacrifice

[spring cipher]

idk if i wanna go for the 50kc tob task

[languid belfry]

to get mine

[languid belfry]

no comment on what I acrificed.

*sacrificed

[winged sinew]

are you killing them atm?

[languid belfry]

nah

I refuse to go back to gorillas till I'm 40 pact points

I'm 39/40 atm

[winged sinew]

then this can't happen, wasted your shot

[spring cipher]

this is what i got

[winged sinew]

12?

WTF

[spring cipher]

ye

also did some chambers

got some nice points from this too

[languid belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/726f392b738ac0fca2844e6a64e9da15.png

[torpid current]

wtf

[spring cipher]

jesus christ ur DRY

lol

[languid belfry]

This is my empirical evidence that the RNG seed behind demonic gorillas doesn't have streak prevention

lol

[winged sinew]

not nearly as good as yours

[spring cipher]

u wanna see

how dry i am main game

[winged sinew]

zulrah was nice to me

[spring cipher]

main game for me

[tawdry carbon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/freedom-i-want-to-be-free-please-release-me-zsXfsIjxWWbUAWP4KO

[winged sinew]

though my first zenyte was at 3kc

[languid belfry]

Tbh the game has made up for my RNG elsewhere

https://i.gyazo.com/e1783238b29c54bd8a038e4a16f4eaed.png

[winged sinew]

killing

[languid belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/30bb6bf932807f6acb8ed7cdc7f1b537.png

[languid belfry]

4 normal KC, 2 hard mode KC

[winged sinew]

i had imbued heart before 10 superiors

🙂

after that, all my luck is gone

I wouldn't say this is lucky, who tf needs 3 pairs?

[scenic garden]

jekyll showing up in the shade catacombs is cruel

seems like he only shows up a few days after I forget about that task

[winged sinew]

oh yea, ranger boots at 17 medium

[winged sinew]

i will never be able to do this

i try to remember to have a herb with me

never appears

[scenic garden]

then I got a sandwich lady while fighting mith dragons

immediately tped out and tankfully she didn't despawn so got that task done

[winged sinew]

i going to get a herb now

just in case

does it need to be cleaned?

i think so

[scenic garden]

yea

[winged sinew]

have one of each now in my inventory

just in case

[scenic garden]

he only takes one

[winged sinew]

yeah but random

[scenic garden]

and uses the highest one

[winged sinew]

oh

didn't know

i never have the herb when he arrives

literally

[scenic garden]

yeah the only random part is getting him to spawn

defaults to asking for guam if you don't have anything

[winged sinew]

i knew that

[dusky coral]

someone called me?

[winged sinew]

that has happened a lot and i read about that it can be other herbs

but i didn't read about it being the highest

so thanks

will bank the rest then and just keep a guam

[languid belfry]

I'll send one more HMT I guess

[scenic garden]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Jekyll_and_Hyde

[languid belfry]

gotta try my scythe out on bloat

[winged sinew]

yeah i missed it

i read it there

more like glanced

i usually just had a guam

on me

[scenic garden]

they could have put in so many more tasks

like put everything in the diaries as their own tasks

it's even tiered already

[winged sinew]

i really don't need much inventory space atm

forgot my imbued heart

just noticed

[tawdry carbon]

woo

[scenic garden]

I don't think the imbued heart actually does anything with the magic boost from the pact tree

you can already get +10 from that

so unless you can make the saturated heart it's kinda useless

[winged sinew]

does not the magic level affect dmg?

[scenic garden]

yeah, but you can get the same +10 from the first pact into the magic tree

[winged sinew]

yea but i have that and a heart

[scenic garden]

it doesn't stack

[winged sinew]

so imbued is broken then if i take magic pacts?

[scenic garden]

broken?

[winged sinew]

well it is meant to raise my magic level

[scenic garden]

it just does the exact same thing the pact already does

[winged sinew]

but what use does it have if it doesn't boost my damage

the heart is useless then

:/

[scenic garden]

yep. heart also doesn't maintain that boost, so the pact is even better.

[winged sinew]

but this is only when you have regenerated runes

if you start a fight

it can be have a use

[scenic garden]

when aren't you regenning runes on a mage build?

[tawdry carbon]

he is running 50%

[winged sinew]

18 seconds

[tawdry carbon]

the cetnral pact forces it on errbadi

[winged sinew]

I have regeb

I am talking about that it CAN have a affect on your damage

for the small part of not beeing boosted by the pact right before a fight and between you get your first regenerated runes

between the first attack AND not being boosted

the only usecase

[winged sinew]

honestly i thought this was because of the imbued

because i got it so early

i never read that node

i was going air mage and followign a guide

messed up and started to read nodes

but i knew i wanted mage

skipped that one, because it is mandatory to be a mage

[scenic garden]

yea, boosting up before an instanced fight is about the only use, but you can get the same boost in 5-10 ticks with powered staves or 10-20 ticks with spells

[winged sinew]

what i said, only before the very first hit

or so

great imbued heart

been spamming it all leagues

only because I got it so early

[scenic garden]

I carried it around everywhere for a bit before I realised

[winged sinew]

before 9 superiors

well it really doesn't make hit less, just wastes time

[scenic garden]

and would need fremennik to upgrade to saturated heart for it to actually be useful

[winged sinew]

i mean it does make me hit less

the one time i activated it

1 tick every 7 min

[fickle thistle]

so if i do this as water thorns i can cheese it right

[winged sinew]

need overheal

[scenic garden]

it's annoying that none of these things maintain the stat boost. I expected them to work like RS3 overloads and re-up the boost every 30s, but the overloads here don't even do that. Makes brews alot less useful because you need to bring super restores with you to bring your stats back up, even with stuff like the hearts or divine pots

[winged sinew]

I did cheese doom

[fickle thistle]

i got all 3 overheal nodes

[winged sinew]

okay, yea

prayer pen?

[fickle thistle]

no prayer pen

[winged sinew]

oof

then no

you need prayer pen for larvas

using the amox echo weapon and you can 1 hit the larva

doing breaking dooms shielld

when he goes into shield mode

because larvas have overhead

[fickle thistle]

isee that now

[winged sinew]

you can switch

between styles

but prayer pen would be better

you could either use the mellee style with the bonkers or even mage them

if you had it

[scenic garden]

just saw a pop-up for 50m attack xp but had forgotten I was getting attack xp from thorns lol

[winged sinew]

from thorns

[winged sinew]

how many pact points do you have?

[fickle thistle]

31

[winged sinew]

how many are you using

[fickle thistle]

i just specced into water thorns and spent everything

[winged sinew]

oof

do you have/want to use a reset?

i would not recommend it

[fickle thistle]

nah i think i can do it

[winged sinew]

you def can

[fickle thistle]

i have the echo amox weapon and a serp

i got to wave 6 before i realized i forgot my antivenom

[winged sinew]

i had it too

both

[fickle thistle]

i teled out i didnt even lose

[scenic garden]

you shouldn't need anti-venom with serp helm

[winged sinew]

made doom so chill

[fickle thistle]

well thats what i meant

im putting it on for the antivenom

[winged sinew]

me at araxxor with serp helm

literally just standing there

[harsh oyster]

Well god damn

62kc

[winged sinew]

gz

[fickle thistle]

huge! gz!

[still gyro]

Has anybody actually received a Bonecrusher Necklace from hydras/ Alch. Hydra recently? I am getting tons of the other drops, 6x gloves before 150 kc even, but this thing just will not drop from all variants 😢

[harsh oyster]

now the other two pieces are going to take a billion years

[winged sinew]

good thing leagues is ending before that, you could have tried for that long, would have killed you

[fickle thistle]

mainly doing this for the pact point and the confliction gauntlets

but if i can get 75 deep kc that would be cool too

[winged sinew]

i should go back for gauntlets

jsut got treads

[fickle thistle]

i crafted a tormented not too long ago

[hazy anvil]

Wish I got treads. 3 eyes and 1 gauntlets. Frustrating

[winged sinew]

my first zenyte i made into tormented, that was like 2-3 weeks ago

[fickle thistle]

this is my gear

[winged sinew]

tanky gear

good

do you not have some blessing

ammo slot item

to give +1 prayer at least

[harsh oyster]

my rng has been so completely insane this entire leagues that im convinced at this point when i return to main or next leagues im never getting another drop again

i got 3a like 2 days into the league

[winged sinew]

or you can bring ammo with a range switch

for the larva

prob better

just remembered that you didn't have pray pen

waht is the fastst 1 handed range weapon?

in ticks

knives?

[fickle thistle]

probably

knives/darts

[winged sinew]

bring that with you

[smoky raft]

ez game

[winged sinew]

so you don't drop your shield

[fickle thistle]

ammo regen works on darts right

[winged sinew]

do you have desert?

[fickle thistle]

nope

[winged sinew]

some darts need desert to make

dragon doesn't

[scenic garden]

only the tips

[fickle thistle]

i have dragon darts

[winged sinew]

oh

[scenic garden]

you can feather any dart as long as you have the tips

but you can't smith the tips without desert

[winged sinew]

oh yeah true

[fickle thistle]

i have like 700 dragon darts

[winged sinew]

okay then use that

[scenic garden]

ammo regen does work on darts, and they should have fixed blowpipes to work with regen

[fickle thistle]

oh

[winged sinew]

but he is doing doom

[fickle thistle]

i have a toxic blowpipe too

should i use that

[winged sinew]

no

[fickle thistle]

oh okay

[winged sinew]

since you need to hit 2 times fast

[scenic garden]

you said you're water thorns, use your water thorns

[winged sinew]

on larva

yes on doom

[scenic garden]

and you said you have echo amox weapon, take that for grubs during laser phase

[winged sinew]

but darts to kill larva

because he has no prayer pen

[scenic garden]

ah

no prayer pen on water thorns? which tree did you take?

[harsh oyster]

why tf have i not gone for 200m thieving yet thats a free 400 points

[winged sinew]

so darts, echo amox, staff with a shield and stay healthy with the heals

and you shoudl be fine

[fickle thistle]

this felt like the best i could do with what i had

[scenic garden]

why do people keep going that route 🤨

[languid belfry]

you routed up to that overheal pact up north

really weirdly

[winged sinew]

should have skipped

[languid belfry]

why didn't you just go from up top

[winged sinew]

and went prayer pen

well, do the best with what you have

is what you can do now

good luck

at least it is not completely ruined

[languid belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/43a808d79f533dcf92efa6e119dd5a23.png

This always bugs me

[winged sinew]

just annoying you will have to do more switching

[languid belfry]

I.E grabbing the one on the left

like shield node above it is much more important

so you want to go up anyway

and might as well grab prayer pen

[fickle thistle]

i was told it wasnt worth the point

idk

[languid belfry]

Sorry but which moron told y ou that

Unironically

[scenic garden]

I don't understand why you'd spend 2 points going to thorns rather than 1 point going thru the min hit node

[languid belfry]

it's the best prayer sustain in mob content in the game

[winged sinew]

well, this is the problem stop blaming what other say

that is the issue

saying what is right and wrong

[languid belfry]

Like

[winged sinew]

provide solutions for the situations

[languid belfry]

2 prayer points every time you get hit a 0 means if you're praying the correct style

[scenic garden]

yea that person has no idea what they're talking about lol

[languid belfry]

you uh...yeah.

you have infinite prayer

hell you can sustain a 10-15% prayer off that point alone

[winged sinew]

i gave him a solution for his problem

[languid belfry]

I mean I'd respec

like the accuracy isn't bad

but it's for later

[winged sinew]

they just did

[fickle thistle]

i only have 3 left

[languid belfry]

okay

oof

but yeah no that shield point

[winged sinew]

you have a rough doom ahead of you

[languid belfry]

is one of the fundemental keystones to inferno and colosseum

[winged sinew]

but you have a clear plan

[languid belfry]

and basically every grind that lets thorns afk

[winged sinew]

but i would say as soon as you get level 4

treads can drop

then you can at least get one point

but idk about 25%

[fickle thistle]

i havent done inferno or colo can i still do those with this

[languid belfry]

not without that shield point no

[winged sinew]

inferno yes

[languid belfry]

well

maybe inferno

but bring prayer pots

lol

Colosseum is a big ???

[winged sinew]

get treads and do inferno is doable

[languid belfry]

you can fix that build tree in 2 points

[winged sinew]

you just need to spam level 4-8 doom levels

[languid belfry]

and pretend you really wanted that defense 5 level for some reason

[winged sinew]

eventually you will get it

[thorn marsh]

Upgraded cheese cape obtained.. First time I've ever even gone in to the Inferno.. Water Thorns hella fucking carries..

[languid belfry]

yup

[torpid trench]

Would I be better served at ToB using full tank melee and just thorning stuff to death, or rocking in with virtus and trying to actually maximize accuracy?

[thorn marsh]

I did survive by 25 fucking HP when the second mager and ranger spawned during Zuk and I lost focus and took a hit from him, though..

[scenic garden]

I'm still procrastinating this

[thorn marsh]

Managed to save it with absurd fucking healing..

[languid belfry]

same. But mine reflected back at him

[winged sinew]

the thing that is annoying about fight caves and the inferno is the waiting

[languid belfry]

and killed him

pro tip just

let the nibblers kill the pillaers early

[thorn marsh]

Nibblers without AOE spells is so annoying..

[languid belfry]

*pillars

or you waste so much time

just let them kill the pillars at the start in one of the 6x waves

[winged sinew]

I think jad is a joke

[languid belfry]

so they just walk and die on you

[torpid trench]

And then there was me, counting "1, 2, walk out from shield and tank a hit to thorns him, run back to shield shitshitshit... 1, 2,"

[winged sinew]

even triple jad is easy but one jad is so slow

[thorn marsh]

What even happens if the pillars die..? Are they literally just for blocking LoS on enemies so that you can survive them normally..?

[languid belfry]

yeah

just for LoS

[torpid trench]

Yup

[thorn marsh]

Ah..

[languid belfry]

the nibblers come after you if the pillars are gone

instantly

[thorn marsh]

So useless for Water Thorns..

[languid belfry]

in main game that is death

but in Leagues you know what we call that

+12 HP and +12 prayer points

It lets you sustain your most greedy prayer and protect from mage

for free

[torpid trench]

And leagues tob teams wanna help a waterthorns get his justi?

[languid belfry]

I mean

I'm still sitting there atm

we can go for it

I still don't have justicar but I haven't needed it

[thorn marsh]

I was camping Mystic Might and protection prayers the entire time until Zuk, and I don't think I dropped below even 97 prayer a single time..

[strange jacinth]

bout time

[torpid trench]

What world? Im just afking vard atm

[languid belfry]

I was camping augury + protect from mage.

4.5 drain per tick was uh

"Wow I can't believe I'm sustaining this"

[thorn marsh]

No CoX for me, so no Augury.. ;_;

[languid belfry]

Yeah no it's not worth it

augury is honestly really bad on wateR + thorns

because it actually costs more than water + thorns to maintain

prayer point wise

without like flask

[languid belfry]

uhhh whatever the mass world is h/o

[winged sinew]

@fickle thistle also remember to equip your shield first when using the echo bonkers from amox

[languid belfry]

658

[winged sinew]

shield is more important for thorns

[languid belfry]

wait don't you just let doom hit you with the charge

why are we bonking it

that just makes kills take longer

[winged sinew]

you can

idk, yea there is 2 ways to cheese it

let him hit you because you want faster clears

[languid belfry]

yeah

[winged sinew]

or keep hp into the car phase

[languid belfry]

there's also the car wash method

[torpid trench]

ign? Ive hopped, the names ThicknNuggie

[languid belfry]

I changed my nick here to match

Witchreaver

Do we have a 3rd here?

or are we just grabbing randos

[thorn marsh]

Hardest fucking task in the game finally completed..

[fickle thistle]

just died on 6

[winged sinew]

i would but i will just solo it first to get a feel of what i need to do

[torpid trench]

im down with whatever, my experience at ToB on leagues has been that its pretty easy

[winged sinew]

4-8 is all you need

keep doing that

[thorn marsh]

I still don't have a piece of the Mime Outfit.. I have two of the emotes, but no outfit..

[torpid trench]

Solo tob is incredibly technically difficult, and vastly different from group tob

[languid belfry]

Do not.

[winged sinew]

i have done 1 entry at main game

[languid belfry]

Lmao.

[torpid trench]

Like at ToA, a group is just a team of solos going zoom

[winged sinew]

long time ago

i don't remember anything

[torpid trench]

at ToB, you have actual things that need doing, and to avoid those mechanics is brutally difficult

[languid belfry]

eh just come along

[winged sinew]

i remember thhe maze

[languid belfry]

I'll do a normal

to get people's feet wet

[winged sinew]

that one has to lead the maze

[past forge]

what are gargoyles listed under in clog

[languid belfry]

if we prefer that

[torpid trench]

oh yeah idk if i could do a hm

[winged sinew]

okay

[torpid trench]

imean probably because waterthorns

[languid belfry]

yeah might need to do a nm anyway

[torpid trench]

but idk the new mechs

[languid belfry]

but nm is faster

hardmode has extra death balls

[torpid trench]

deathballs?

[winged sinew]

so my mage gear and a kraken whip

what else

[torpid trench]

^

Thats all ive got

[languid belfry]

Reflect bat turns around eveytime he's hit, blood pools don't disappear

[torpid trench]

well, my mage gear is melee tank gear, but

[languid belfry]

uh bring a ranged swap

for nylos maybe

[torpid trench]

I think I did my range levels with iron knives at crab

[languid belfry]

normal learner mode up

[winged sinew]

i am fully water/overheal/thorns build

[languid belfry]

I just have a rune crossbow with onyx bolts

[winged sinew]

ok

[languid belfry]

do you both have t8s

[winged sinew]

rune

yes (I do)

flask

[languid belfry]

flask also

[torpid trench]

Nope 2k pts away

[languid belfry]

eh

should be fine

tob will get you points

I did my first ToB at tier 7

[torpid trench]

Man

Every time i send a message with that emoji in it beside text

it fails

[winged sinew]

should i get defensive stats instead of occoult?

[torpid trench]

I have the tzhaar throwing disk thing

[winged sinew]

for thorns

[torpid trench]

but thats my only range wep

[torpid trench]

I did around 5 at T5

[winged sinew]

I don't have blood shards ti use

[languid belfry]

@winged sinew @torpid trench praty up

[winged sinew]

i got fury and occoult

[languid belfry]

I think I am...80% confident for most bosses barring dog

I can anchor?

[past forge]

what are gargoyles listed under in clog?

[languid belfry]

slayer monsters

[torpid trench]

tf is an anchor? we doin sailing at tob now?

[winged sinew]

fury or occoult?

no blood shards in my bank

🙁

[languid belfry]

occult

if you don't have blood

[winged sinew]

so no defensive stats i guess

then romented

bracelet

[languid belfry]

Freality what's your ign

[winged sinew]

freality

[fickle thistle]

okay i can do this and its honestly fun having to do the switches

maybe thats cope

[winged sinew]

FReality

[languid belfry]

okay so some of these people are just randoms

that want to join I guess

sure more bodies for the slaughter

party is up and waiting on you freality

[torpid trench]

more bodies mean more loot rolls, surely

[smoky raft]

that's why masses are so profitable

[winged sinew]

good enough?

[torpid trench]

Crystal blessing no armor?

[winged sinew]

+prayer

[torpid trench]

aah

[languid belfry]

Shrug

[winged sinew]

5+

[languid belfry]

Sure

We'll do what we can do

[winged sinew]

i got nothing else

[languid belfry]

yeah

that's fine

honestly I think we can haul across anyway

[winged sinew]

oh yea you said crossbow

so ammo

instead

[languid belfry]

uihhh real talk if you don't have it

don't worry about it

[harsh oyster]

whats with the red things in the corner

[languid belfry]

just flask tax when you fight spiders

[winged sinew]

I do have ammo

[fickle thistle]

okay'

the big one for the point

[languid belfry]

kk

[winged sinew]

I was just not geared up and ready

[languid belfry]

538

[languid belfry]

gl

[torpid trench]

Bruh wtf

Am I being like automodded or smth?

[languid belfry]

Discord's been shitting the bed today

so probably not

[torpid trench]

Every msg i send with that emoji at the end is failing

But everything else is fine

i just have to send them seperate ig

[languid belfry]

@winged sinew Where you at

[torpid trench]

Time to return to TeamSpeak

[winged sinew]

now i can't do tob, disease just became a lot worse 😭

[fickle thistle]

ope he got me

[languid belfry]

oh

[winged sinew]

it i will be one handed

[languid belfry]

rip

[winged sinew]

i hate parkinsons

i was doing fine

welp that only means i can't prayer flick

i can still play

no swithing fast prayers

I can still join

[torpid trench]

Send it. if you die, you die

Only one way to see if it works

[winged sinew]

538 is not leagues

[torpid trench]

658

[winged sinew]

ign of leadeer?

i see 2 normal lobbies

[thorn marsh]

Question: does Multi-Style Specialist in the TzHaar-Ket-Rak challenges fail if you have Thorns since it counts as Melee damage hitting all three Jads..?

[winged sinew]

maybe they started

[thorn marsh]

Also, does the Minion fuck it up as well since it has different attack styles..?

[winged sinew]

ign?

[languid belfry]

oh

I thought you weren't coming

[languid belfry]

Next run then. will be witchreaver

we started

[winged sinew]

yea i didn't think you wanted me to join

because i can't do swithing

of prayers

[fickle thistle]

🙂

ez

[winged sinew]

because of my shaking

my meds have to start for me to shake less

i can maybe still be of some help because of my overhela/throns build but like i said I have only done on entry mode in main

i have NO experience

[winged sinew]

I will wait for next run

[languid belfry]

hopnestly

[winged sinew]

??

it is okay if you don't want me to join now

i don't take any offence

becuase i know how it feels to have someone bad on the team

used to play competetive counter strike

[torpid trench]

Trust me, this team is in shambles

[winged sinew]

over 7k+ hours

[torpid trench]

its nothing to do with skill

we are just slowly dragging through it

[winged sinew]

okay, sounds like a chill group

well can't get much worse

i am not trying to grief

[languid belfry]

they tried following me in maze

and all died

because "I had fish

anmd they didn't

lmao

[winged sinew]

XD

at least i wouldn't

the only part i remember

i guess they don't hav infinate sustenance

which means we would have to do it normally

well it doesn't sound like it will work out

well even in leagues you can't just not think in teams

[torpid trench]

Yeah you took off, and we were all standing there, and the other 3 ran off from my tile

And i exploded

[winged sinew]

so in the maze someone leads the way

and you have to go a specific path

[next dust]

bandos boots vs dragon boots?

[winged sinew]

idk if only one sees wohle path

[torpid trench]

^

only 1

[winged sinew]

ok

[torpid trench]

and it shows the rest where you click

so you click corner to corner in straight lines

and we follow the red lights

[fickle thistle]

yay a unique

[winged sinew]

so that one has to lead the way unless everyone has infinate food

[next dust]

dragon boots > bandos boots?

[winged sinew]

will there still be a 2nd run?

[shrewd ermine]

almost there

[next dust]

i guess next upgrade is bm helmet to serpentine visage

then it's oathplate learning time

hi zulrah

[shrewd ermine]

serpentine vis is super nice

[languid belfry]

@winged sinew we're out

[winged sinew]

okay

[languid belfry]

yeah

[shrewd ermine]

can do sire, doom, and the spider thing without needing to worry about venom

[languid belfry]

@torpid trench You're party leader now

[winged sinew]

ign?

remember to lead the way in maze

[torpid trench]

ThicknNuggie

[languid belfry]

Uh

[winged sinew]

since not everyone has infinite food

[languid belfry]

If I'm shadow realm I'll lead maze?

(I think that's how that works?)

but if I'm not

[torpid trench]

^

Shadow realm always leads maze

[languid belfry]

I'm booking it

ignore me

[torpid trench]

you just wait for floor tiles to light up

and click red

[languid belfry]

like don't follow me

or you die

[winged sinew]

but if you lead you have to show

oh ok

so wait if ihe books it

[torpid trench]

but also, be aware that you are shredding your team by doing this if you are close to us

@winged sinew We are in and waiting

[winged sinew]

it is telling me about teleport crystals

[torpid trench]

just skip it

its a pay now to tele out without dying later

dont need it on leagues

[languid belfry]

yeah that's why I go to the other side

before I do that

[torpid current]

any way to see who pked me without a plugin? i wana see who murdered me while i was afking

[fickle thistle]

butler and i, making the dream happen

[fluid fable]

I had 2 dudes trying to pk me last night

I just kinda stood there munching on food and they couldnt get close

[torpid current]

i swear it used to say in chat who killed u

like it would say stuff like "blahblah bested you"

[shy light]

Yoooo!

[torpid current]

idk what im looking at cuz im a noob but gzz

[next dust]

dragonstone armour when?

[shy light]

in leagues instead of a mega rare you get a scroll that lets you pick which one you want

[torpid current]

oh damn cool

gzzz :D

[next dust]

so if youn dont attack zulrah does he/she just chill?

[shy light]

no idea why it says 2

but only need ward and masori body

[thorn marsh]

I was not expecting to learn Jads well enough to actually finish this task..

Still can't fucking do the 18 Jad challenege, though.. ;_;

[winged sinew]

well we got a clear in tob

i started to remember some of the stages

from 1+ year ago

[languid belfry]

yeah

anyway

[winged sinew]

i think i can do one solo tbh

ngl

when i am not shaking

[languid belfry]

@torpid trench I gotta go to bed

[torpid trench]

All g, ty for kills

@winged sinew You comin?

[winged sinew]

sure i can do more

omw

[languid belfry]

I need to burn through my ToB kc tomorrow for pact point

so if anyone's around I'll be up for more

[bronze tangle]

Looking for help deciding on minion vs flask. Kings barrage/water spell heal enjoyer with ES. Goal is to solo toa and cox (having little to no experience with them). I'm generally bad at pvm. Trying to choose between DPS add and utility of minion vs cheat death of flask...

[languid belfry]

Do you ever plan on going thorns

And do you want to farm a Draconic Visage

if yes to Thorns + Visage, Minion. If no Visage, probably Flask because the damage scales off the thorns pact.

If no thorns and no visage, go minion to sure up your suck points

flask is harder to use by far than minion

also minion

will let you, in fights you're not comfortable with in ToA/CoX

focus on dodging mechanics

and minion will kill the boss eventually.

Do you have endless sustenance? @bronze tangle

[bronze tangle]

I could go thorns, I haven't used any resets yet, just not sure I have the time to respec (or if I have the regions for that - w/z/D)

And yeah I took eternal sustenance

[languid belfry]

you have plenty of time

yeah minion

so the philosophy is this

Worst case?

you pie and minion will kill it

[bronze tangle]

On not leagues time, personal time 😂

[languid belfry]

Pie 1 tick spam

ah lmao

uhhhhhh

D's points

has a lot of afking leviathan

and KQ

Water + thorns is true afk for that

for desert specifically

if yoiu want to run ToA a lot

you need 100% prayer pen, or minion probably

[bronze tangle]

Alright, minion it is

[languid belfry]

yeah

[bronze tangle]

Didn't need much convincing, just decision paralysis

Leagues is a bastard for that

[languid belfry]

Like I took flask and don't fully regret it (barring when a draconic visage despawned on me because I had to do laundry)

but Minion would probably have been more chill for me

Do note you might need more prayer pots

without flask but eh

[bronze tangle]

I thought I'd be more afk than I have been, but that will likely change in the next few weeks

[languid belfry]

same

[bronze tangle]

Prayer pots not an issue - took farming relic

[shrewd ermine]

1 less boring boss down

[languid belfry]

yay

[languid belfry]

Easy then

[bronze tangle]

Only 200 points 🫠

[shrewd ermine]

400 with abyssal bludgen at least, plus some slayer xp, abyss dagger, whip, and tentacle

honestly is pretty solid for points albiet boring

[torpid current]

just realised all thsi time i was using normal onyx bolts, forgot to enchant them

[shrewd ermine]

2160 not including general abyssal slayer task stuff for doing 300 abyssal sire (assuming you get the drops)

[torpid current]

guess it doesnt rly matter but kinda baffling i didnt notice til now considering i should have noticed i didnt hear the screeeeeeeeeeeeeee sound

[shrewd ermine]

happens to the best of us

[winged sinew]

kinda awanna try solo tob now

at least i know waht to bring in leagues version of tob

[languid belfry]

The biggest problem are the Nylos room, the dog boss (4th fight) and the death ball

For water thorns bloat also takes an ungodly amount of time