leagues-general

[toxic vortex]

Think I'm a little over halfway there

don't think I'll get dragon though

[lone bloom]

Is awakened vardorvis cheesed w water thorns mage

[stoic lance]

you still gotta know the mechanics

[lone bloom]

Regular vard was pretty much afk

[stoic lance]

if you stand in the middle and let all the axes hit you, you'll still die

[toxic vortex]

With the amount of movement needed for awakened, you can't sustain enough with water healing to survive being hit

[lone bloom]

I tanked the axes on regular vard and only flicked prot range on the head

Otherwise kept prot melee up whole fight

[potent quail]

then jsut stand at the side? where max 1 axe can hit you

[stoic lance]

yeah the axes do like 50 dmg on awakened

[toxic vortex]

standing on the sides will do damage to you

[potent quail]

with water mage do you have to do the grab minigame where you click 5 red spots?

[potent quail]

do they hit multiple times?

[stoic lance]

the captcha?

[toxic vortex]

idk

[stoic lance]

I've tried awakened vard twice and died twice tbqh lmao

[twilit laurel]

Anyone want a free dragon impling? W400 puro

[toxic vortex]

Also remember that awakened has 2x the normal hp. At least I think its 2x

[vapid silo]

you have to make sure he doesn't disable your prayers with the heads on awakaned, other mechanics are pretty ignorable

[stoic lance]

i was close! but the timing on everything is tighter

i fucked up the captcha on one of them which felt terrible lmao

[vapid silo]

yes!

[toxic vortex]

There are more axes. He attacks faster

Eventually you have to flick range and mage prayers for the head/projectiles

[novel sapphire]

Normal vardorvis not spawning on leagues?

[toxic vortex]

The axes are basically constant

[stoic lance]

he should be?

you gotta walk past the stones before he spawns

[twilit laurel]

wait... I think it just disappeared? is that possible?

[stoic lance]

if you're having trouble waking him up punch him first lmao, for some reason he would stand there invulnerable if i engaged with mage

[novel sapphire]

Won’t let me put pics here sent u dm he’s invisible lmao

[vapid silo]

its possible

[rare hollow]

you just dont have the chat level for it

[twilit laurel]

I might have another one from the world I just hopped from

[stoic lance]

lmaaoo thats so weird youve even done damage to him

[rare hollow]

restart your client

[vapid silo]

which one is that?

[stoic lance]

i assume you're fine with me sharing it i probs should have asked first oops

[rare hollow]

he's on mobile which suprises me

[novel sapphire]

It’s funny because I can hit him with flask

[vapid silo]

oh wait I found it/maybe new one

[twilit laurel]

It was 589, but I don't see it now

[novel sapphire]

Tried switching worlds too

[toxic vortex]

Reinstall the app

[rare hollow]

you might have genuinely triggered some bug ngl

there are some lesser known ones in this leagues for sure

but this one is quite funny

[vapid silo]

well I got a d imp in any case thank you! @twilit laurel

[pure bramble]

Does water mage build kinda work without kandarin?

[tacit oyster]

seems like same bug on zebak according to announcement

[novel sapphire]

I was killing him fine last night lmao

[pure bramble]

I have desert wildy and asg

[rare hollow]

yeah i know one fella who runs water mage thorns with sang staff and in crystal

he does quite strong dps

[chrome quiver]

Another free reset omg godsend by Jagex

W jagex

[novel sapphire]

One more flask and I’ll see if he respawns

[marsh haven]

do wildy tasks have higher chance at larrans?

like from krystilla

[rare hollow]

ofc the tree doesnt fully go into water mage tree just enough for hp regen from his 1t sang

[toxic vortex]

Wildy tasks are the only source of larrans

[rare hollow]

and then a buncha pacts into accuracy/damage

[marsh haven]

i meant from krystilla

[toxic vortex]

Any task that can be killed in the wild

I believe

[marsh haven]

kk

[rare hollow]

yeah only wildy tasks are source of larrans

think of it as brimstone keys but wildy

[marsh haven]

i meant like does dust devil task give more larran chance from krystilla vs duradel or something

assuming its done in wildy

[rare hollow]

has to be done in wildy im sure

[tacit oyster]

they changed how slayer masters work so probably only krystilia task

[rare hollow]

besides wildy tasks wont work on non wildy monsters iirc

[vapid silo]

used to be any master was the same but yeah I am not sure how it works after the changes

[tacit oyster]

i dont remember getting brimstone keys from duradel after they changed slayer masters

[rare hollow]

they basically made slayer masters act the same as maingame

[novel sapphire]

Turns out when I kill him with flask it just resets hp

[rare hollow]

mate we need to play the game, dont glitch out vardorvis now XD

otherwise he'll break free and start terrorizing varlamore

[void robin]

can any npc decant for us?

[tacit oyster]

desert has one, otherwise need potion storage

[void robin]

big sad

[dawn tulip]

Where do u get ur Grimy Guam aside from Slayer and Farming?

My only Guam seed died fuck

[toxic vortex]

26th orb

https://tenor.com/bfKYp.gif

[timber sluice]

hey minion enjoyers, what $ did you set your pick up at?

[thorn marsh]

I just have mine set to pick up everything and I drop anything I don't need..

[timber sluice]

effort

[thorn marsh]

Using GE value for determining what to pick up in a game mode where the GE is completely irrelevant (and also Untradables are always picked up regardless of your value filter) is wild..

I gave up on trying to find a useful value when my minion decided picking up grimy guam leaves was worth it but not stacks of literal money if they weren't big enough..

[timber sluice]

yeah herbs are valuable in their own right

[thorn marsh]

I have the butler.. Herbs are literally just trash to me..

I have thousands of every Unfinished Potion I could want..

[chilly pine]

we on the grind

[orchid blade]

can u not get the roots with endless harvest

from farming trees

[twilit laurel]

You can get roots

[plain pasture]

Realistically the minion should bank loot rather than noted inventory.

[plain pasture]

Don't forget larrans keys not being picked up when value is set as 50gp.
Which theoretically should leave junk on ground

[next dust]

64 echo kills*

[plain pasture]

I think there is a lot of content this time round that was overlooked massively

[silver crescent]

anybody dealing with crazy lag? i can't do CG right now, as soon as nados come out my whole game just lags

[plain pasture]

I seen some lag earlier, but assumed it was due to downloading 90gb in shows on streaming sites.

[stoic lance]

if its happening at specific events like that, it sounds like its more likely to be clientside than serverside

[plain pasture]

Anyone else getting annoyed how transmute doesn't auto cast with so much content

[raw quartz]

fockkkk YOUUUU

[chilly pine]

the graphical plugins might still be outdated since the update today

[stoic lance]

yeah my assumption is that the true-tile marker and highlight for the nados is causing framerate problems lol

[toxic vortex]

I have no virtus, no axe pieces, and no ring rolls yet

[silver crescent]

ugh i'm locked in the red prison and can't do it lol

[stoic lance]

what build?

[silver crescent]

i could go do demonic gorillas for 2 more shards and doom

[chilly pine]

i got 1 axe piece (thought it would've dropped whole, but no) and 5 ring rolls

[silver crescent]

i'm in 26 pacts deep to a prayer pene 1t powerd staff

[stoic lance]

there's a specific CG cheese build that goes into max prayer penetration so you ignore it's mechanics, but that relies on you having resets left over

[silver crescent]

i havne't gotten the echo shard yet so i'm still having to do all o prep and stuff

[stoic lance]

wtf thats not a guaranteed drop? i got it on my first one lol

[silver crescent]

1/15

[stoic lance]

oooof thats horseshit

[thorn marsh]

What's your T8 (if you have it yet)..?

[stoic lance]

altho if youre struggling with CG hunliff, echo hunliffs gonna kick your ass

[silver crescent]

nah i'm not struggling when it doesn't lag

minion

when it doesn't lag it's easy

but when it lags and i literally can't move from the floor tiles/nados i die lol

[stoic lance]

you got the ping display turned on? in world hopper settings on runelite

[thorn marsh]

If it's a lag issue, then I'm not sure anything will fix it.. What's your ping to the world you're on..?

[silver crescent]

yea i do, its 20

[stoic lance]

then it just spikes from everything on screen? thats bizarre

[thorn marsh]

I've heard the Tasks Tracker plugin can sometimes cause weird freezes.. Do you have that installed..?

[stoic lance]

im gonna go do one and see if the update broke it somehow lol

i'd be skeptical of someone saying that zeback had just disappeared too until i saw the message in game news lmao

[past forge]

mannn doing clues is really seamless with all the ways i have to get around kandarin

[stoic lance]

omg doing CG prep with the minions awesome

[silver crescent]

okay just turned off basically all my plugins gonna try again lol

[toxic vortex]

this fucked me up

[silver crescent]

i did just uninstall that

[toxic vortex]

i was also having issues trying to adjust the camera angle. Lots of things were just not working

and it was only happening when I was in combat

[silver crescent]

yea it literally just comes when nados come

[stoic lance]

i just did one and there IS a lag spike when the nados drop

i have no idea why

it went from 20 ping to 75

i mean 75s still playable imo but that's so weird

[tacit oyster]

200 ping would also be playable in most cases, main issue is if it is unstable

[stoic lance]

yeah it does feel jank when the nados drop lol, was harder than it shouldve been

god i love CG tho lmao, i dont even have a reason to keep doing this but i want to

back to abyssal sire instead...

[silver crescent]

lol sorry fory ou

okay it was 100% one of my plugins maybe the task one thanks guys

spiked a little but 100% playable and easy lol

[silver crescent]

noice

[next dust]

does Echo count as the 100 Gauntlet completion?

[stoic lance]

ye

[next dust]

ok thats next then

[marsh haven]

is zebak bug unplayable or can i still do it

wow the timing

nvm

[next dust]

before i respec off of prayer pen

[vapid silo]

in hindsight maybe I should have went for CG pet before respeccing

probably one of the faster pets to get

[open garden]

whats the drop rate of the enchanced crystal seed and does it drop from the echo guantlet? ty

[tacit oyster]

it was making zebak untargetable so pretty bad

[celest stag]

Fixed

[stoic lance]

1/80 and yes

[celest stag]

Like 1/80

[covert wolf]

has anyone tested how fast it takes to kill corp beast with water thorns?

[open garden]

ty

[covert wolf]

i might have to pause on respec because of some pvm that can be done faster with KB

took about 1:20 for each corp kill

[tacit oyster]

i didnt know brimhaven dungeon had baby green dragons

[novel sapphire]

Turns out when I kill him with flask it just resets hp

[past birch]

I told everyone we were getting a pact reset, I knew I wasn't crazy

[vapid silo]

na you crazy. jagex is just equally crazy

[polar night]

I am split on what to use my Reloaded on and would like some advice 😅

I have Endless harvest - Woodsman - Evil Eye - Butler Bell - Larcenist - Culling Spree

[vapid silo]

areas?

do you care about maxing/point capping?

[polar night]

Asgarnia and Kourend so far, am 26 tasks away from picking final area which i want to put into Kandarin

[stoic lance]

i took sustenance and reloaded into culling spree but im lazy and dont want to spend time getting food lmao

[silver crescent]

lol i literally still haven't taken reloaded because i dont know what to take

[vapid silo]

soul harvest will likely help you the most to max

[silver crescent]

i have abundance, woodsman, evil eye, transmute, larcenist and culling spree and i dont care about maxing - butler seems overrated since i already have a solve for everything except herblore?

[polar night]

Is that because i have farming covered by Tithe farm and Herblore and a bunch of others with Butler?

[stoic lance]

woodsman gives you a fucktonne of herb seeds at least

[vapid silo]

farming can be solved just by doing tree runs

[silver crescent]

once i'm done with hunleff i'll go to mory and i'll have kandarin/tir/mory with water/thorns so i'm like i have no idea what to take

[balmy verge]

In need of some advice for moneymaking for the 250m crown and 250m throne tasks.. I have Kandarin/Priff/Mory unlocked, EH-Woodsman-Larcenist for relevant tiered relics.

Right now I THINK my bis way to get money is gem stalls and selling the gems? Maybe CG high alch'ing as well? What do you guys think?

[tacit oyster]

almost got to 91 with lamps

[stoic lance]

omg i havent sold my gems yet thanks for reminding me

[polar night]

I am not highest on osrs knowledge, but i've seen people thief elf for money while in Priff?

[vapid silo]

afk steal from elves, sell the excess crystal teleport shards

[tacit oyster]

have to do 1-2 inventory of runecrafting before i can do last diary

[polar night]

How would that stack compared to gem stalls?

[vapid silo]

the only better thing for gp is maybe something with transmute if you have that

[balmy verge]

Sell the crystal teleports, or high alch? Who would I sell them to?

[stoic lance]

god getting 99 smithing and crafting from crafting crystal gear was so satisfying

[vapid silo]

shilo general store with karamja gloves

[tacit oyster]

with kourend and high ammo regen you can dupe onyx bolts at cox crab puzzle for 80m gp/h

[vapid silo]

it's like almost alch value if you sell them 1 at a time

which is not really a problem, just spamclick

[polar night]

I forgot i had apparently put my butler bell on processed flax, i got a hefty like 29m drop or so

Went from 90 crafting to 35m xp

[balmy verge]

Thank you! Will do that for a bit instead of gems

[polar night]

Lss, just wanna ask, at what point can one share an image/screenshot here, cause i just wanna know what i should focus on grind wise ish

[vapid silo]

at iron rank

[polar night]

Ahh, i am apparently at bronze, just tried getting an image in but didn't work

[vapid silo]

#general message

[tacit oyster]

did they lower it from steel or is league general different requirement

[polar night]

No clue how far off i am then

[vapid silo]

can check in the bot channel

[polar night]

Right, i apparently need to "follow" some more categories, or i am blind as i can't yet find the bot channel 😂

[vapid silo]

#botzone !

[polar night]

Found it as a category as well, didn't have it followed but still appreciate the mentioning of the channel

[next dust]

so ive done all in CG but pet

i dont bother right

and leave

[tacit oyster]

unless you really want the pet for future leagues

[vapid silo]

if you need the boss pet task, it might be one of the fastest ones to get

maybe sire quicker

[tacit oyster]

skotizo and sol should be fastest but cg is pretty fast too

[next dust]

what are the odds

skotizo is fast?

[tacit oyster]

1/800 from cg/echo hunleff

[vapid silo]

oh is sol easy

[next dust]

it's hard to get the totem stuff

[vapid silo]

[[smol heredit]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Smol_heredit

[tacit oyster]

skotizo pet is 1/65 and guaranteed totem piece from superior

[next dust]

sol heredit pet looks trash tbh tho

its just a dude

[vapid silo]

actually chaos ele if you have wildy

[past birch]

It looks good

[past birch]

Then that means you look trash too

[vapid silo]

yea not a fan of humanoid pets

but would just do it for the points

[next dust]

thats like having sawk or Machamp as your favourite pokemon

[livid slate]

Yeah but it's aura

[past birch]

It's not a dude when have you seen a person with those proportions

And also looks like robotic or something

It's like a toy

[polar night]

Is it worth stocking up on normal compost to go for farming contracts? Or try acquiring lots of super compost?

[next dust]

it's not as bad as the TOA pet

thats traash

[vapid silo]

agreed, sick transmogs tho

[tacit oyster]

toa pet does have transmogs though

[livid slate]

What are you talking about 😭

[past birch]

Looks fine

[toxic vortex]

if you are talking about farming contracts, you have the guild. you can make a bunch of super compost pretty quickly

[livid slate]

I got TOA pet and it's fully dusted on main game

[toxic vortex]

You also have other compost bins from other allotment patches

[polar night]

Am talking about farming contracts yeah in the guild. I feel like doing the contracts there would be best in use with Nature's Accord, but soul harvest might fix prayer and RC for me more

[next dust]

we need a ferret pet

[toxic vortex]

27th orb

[terse harness]

I think for next leagues I avoid raids regions....

Gone hella dry at both tob and cox for the common-ish tank items I wanted

Got 3 scythes before I finished justi set

[toxic vortex]

I think the real solution is to only take 1 raid region

[terse harness]

And 2 full ancestral sets before dinhs

[polar night]

Would you recommend paying for protection of trees during tree runs?

[toxic vortex]

I ended up with a ton of coconuts from zulrah

makes magics ez

[polar night]

I am not gonna end up with zulrah if i take Kandarin, don't even know if i could get lots of coconuts, nor do i have any magic seeds yet 😅

[toxic vortex]

You'll have access to 6 fruit tree patches

Outside of your other region picks as well

Like, 6 fruit trees with just varlamore + kandarin

[polar night]

I do have palm trees i can plant

[toxic vortex]

• karamja too

Oh, well I guess prif is the 6th

[silver crescent]

okay took 6 CG kills to get echo orb let's go 1 step closer lol have 1 armor seed already too

[toxic vortex]

so maybe just 5

[vapid silo]

pay with what you got but don't go out of your way to get more payments

[toxic vortex]

^

6 coconuts per plant, 5 plants can sustain 2 magic tree payments

[polar night]

And got plenty of papaya from AFK thieving the fruit stall in Kourend

[past forge]

21 mediums away from 75 medium clue scroll

[toxic vortex]

coincidentally I only have 2 regular tree patches

[vapid silo]

can do papayas first then

so you get some for payments

[toxic vortex]

there are some tasks relating to magic trees

[polar night]

True, gonna use the papayas for fruit trees, but don't have the cactus spines for yew trees

[vapid silo]

yea fuck yew trees, compost em

[toxic vortex]

So outside of making sure certain plants grow for those tasks, i wouldn't be too concerned about protection

[polar night]

Don't worry about using compost either then or do use some compost?

[vapid silo]

use best compost you have

super or ultra with transmute

it increases survival rates significantly

[polar night]

I've got 39 super compost

[vapid silo]

should be fine, I made maybe 50 all league

[polar night]

I think i got pineapples (dont quote me on it) from the fruit stall thieving, which does equal supercompost

[toxic vortex]

I need to do a tree run

[vapid silo]

if you got Kandarin you can mass buy pineapples super fast in Catherby docks, with deposit box from Sailing right next to the charter

or Aldarin if not

[toxic vortex]

Oh, I can grow my dragonfruit seeds too

I need that for a task

[potent quail]

i surrendered and plant watermelons in farming guild

with hespori you get the unlimited compost bucket

[timber quest]

Maxed :)

[dusky coral]

peak

[polar night]

Gz

[timber quest]

Now I gotta start clues rip

Slayer without the relic has been so bad to me, 0 abby demon task, 0 smoke devils (no 1kc orb on the free diary kc either lmao), no nechs, but elves 4x hahah

[vapid silo]

gzzz, now do it 3 more times for 50M all >:)

[timber quest]

Woodcutting is there, I've got tempy kc to get then will fish sharks in Aldarin for loops and cooking stock

[polar night]

I am 50 shades of special... was wondering i wasnt getting soul shards... gotta acquire the soul harvest relic first :p

[timber quest]

Bone shard mining will be the least favourable but it's only like 23 hours left

[toxic vortex]

please vard

something

[timber quest]

Vard pleae

[vapid silo]

wow that's gross

[timber quest]

Give this man an ingot

:p

[toxic vortex]

i have 1 ingot

[vapid silo]

not even gold rings?

[toxic vortex]

nope

no rings, no sra pieces

no virtus so far

[timber quest]

[terse harness]

You need to kill awakened first

To reset your rng

[queen fable]

🫂

[toxic vortex]

Did that a long time ago

[polar night]

I just magic teleported to Civitas and first thing i see is like 100 ish people following one another around the a tree west of teleport spawn

Just osrs things happening i see

[toxic vortex]

Vard's clue drops don't make a lot of sense

[vapid silo]

oh nice hotfoot follow trains starting to pop off?

[toxic vortex]

he drops hards, mediums, and easy's?

[tacit oyster]

all dt2 bosses can drop easy-elite clues

[toxic vortex]

right elites too

just odd

28th orb

https://tenor.com/nKvgiY4ZylZ.gif

[late helm]

Here come the comments that 6 pacts resets are not enough because people reset at 6 pacts 5 times already

[polar night]

I guess so?

[chilly pine]

i saw a train at the varlamore teleport spot maybe yesterday

[toxic vortex]

Guess I should probably try to get the last vard achievement done

[tacit oyster]

oh right guardians of rift can do almost unlimited reward pulls if you buy more pulls with pearls

[ruby socket]

https://i.imgur.com/FY8hF08.png

Is there anything i missed in my pacts planning? or anything i could optimize a bit more? I don't care about thorns at all and i wanna boost my melee blindbag aspect as much as i can possibly do it so i leave the other 2 combas styles p much untouched since i'm planning to melee everything i can

[tacit oyster]

average like 0.85 pearls back per pearl used

[old tapir]

why not grab the hally capstone?

[vapid silo]

lmao thats insane

[toxic vortex]

and like, why the prayer pen

[ruby socket]

Bc i won't unlock mory and i focus heavily on ranged echoes which benefit hugely from the double hit mechanic

[dense forge]

Blind bag without mory? What are your weapons? All the double hitters?

[timber quest]

Delete this before jmods see xD

[ruby socket]

I dunno thought it would be useful but now that you're saying it i can't think of a situation where it could be used. i could ommit those for defense nodes

[ruby socket]

Yessir

[old tapir]

chally is also good if you have it i guess

[toxic vortex]

also, melee has really bad overheal options

I feel like those are wasted pacts

[ruby socket]

Well at least that's gonna be my setup all double hitters, i'm currently getting infernal knockers and blood boppers

[ruby socket]

Won't get into tyranwinn most likely

[toxic vortex]

that gives you 6 extra pacts by removing the overheal and prayer pen

[ruby socket]

But i don't think i have anything else to put pacts on

[timber quest]

I've been having a lot of fun with a 5t chally, but the dps isn't good

Water thorns was getting double the dps across a toa to me

[dense forge]

Kinda feels bad that water thorns has similar DPS but with 100% survivability on everything

[ruby socket]

i mean i guess i could put those into accuracy nodes but i dunno how much accuracy is overkill

[old tapir]

without a hally, the node below the capstone is also kinda bleh since you'd only have 2 tile range

[ruby socket]

Yeah true, i did put it in the calc and gave a decent dps increase so figured i'll take it regardless

[toxic vortex]

how many pacts do you have?

Like is this your current build or just your plan

[ruby socket]

It's my plan, i have no idea how realistic it is i'm gonna max out on my points currently i have 15 pacts

my current pacts are going into ranged echoes

[obsidian edge]

Is it possible to get a silver sickle in leagues without the crafting shops for a silver sickle mold

[old tapir]

hmmm, does this node buff ranged echoes while you're meleeing? https://i.imgur.com/Al1jFo7.png

since the game thinks you have a bow, crossbow and thrown equipped

but whether the echoes get better with ranged strength is the question

[stoic lance]

mory unlocked? there's a box of them in moryhttps://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Crate_(A_Taste_of_Hope,_sickles)

[ruby socket]

I was hoping it did but either the dps calc doesn't properly consider it (while considering the other act like equipping ranged weapon pacts) so no dps increase there 😒

[ruby socket]

i dunno what they'Re based on bc ranged damage didn't affect my dps at all

nvm it does but it's insanely tiny, from 13.833 dps to 13.834 dps from taking one ranghed damage pact

[late helm]

I would spec into air mage along with it so you have multiple styles

[ruby socket]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. mage is so insanely boring though

i'll consider it

[dense forge]

I mean cbows are right there if you want another style

[old tapir]

looks like a disaster https://i.imgur.com/t2NgOZ9.png

[dense forge]

You're already into range a bunch

[static notch]

given that melee ranged echoes scale off melee stats instead of ranged stats, i'm guessing no

[ruby socket]

Yeah if melee won't do it bc of range limitation or whatever (for example cox) i'll 100% use ranged.

[late helm]

Which afk skills can I also transmute at the same time?

[ruby socket]

Many thanks for yall input though, i will definitely take it with me and plan around more. prayer pen being waste is a huge tip tbh

[potent quail]

whats the weapon you use in your hand?

[old tapir]

this was a hypothetical for artemis

[past birch]

Anyone knows if thorns proc pacts that recharge spec energy?

[old tapir]

assumedly full blood equipped with the 4 boppers in inventory

[open garden]

is there a pitty drop for the enhanced weapon seed? ive got 25 normal armor seeds and 24 normal weapon seeds so far ;_;

[ruby socket]

i don't think there is which is a huge flaw

but itll never come into the game bc of all the salty ironmen who had to suffer trough red prison

[blissful fjord]

No

[silver crescent]

are you doing echo? it's not bad once you get in a rhythm

[open garden]

damn ;-; yeah im doing echo

[queen thicket]

I do think that basegame could use some sort of pity rate, make it untradeable or somth at like 1200/1600kc

[next dust]

here we go!

[queen thicket]

going that dry is a bit silly for meta defining gear for irons tbh

[mighty zodiac]

Thrown thorns?

[next dust]

yeye

[dense forge]

Ohhh thrown! How does it feel?

[ruby socket]

there is a really good video talking about the red prison and how ridicolous that grind is it's insane that thtere is no bad luck protection

[next dust]

idk

i just moved to it

i got my CG done so

[thorn marsh]

Without any Hunter relics, is just catching chins the best exp/hr for Hunter..?

[toxic vortex]

probably

[thorn marsh]

Oof..

[mighty zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/osrs-barrows-runescape-old-school-rs-gif-7120600741598870590

[ruby socket]

rumours with blocks setup properly is probably the best but i dunno how to do that

[queen thicket]

I don't know much about videos but I do know that 1/400 is a reasonable rate in of itself, but going insanely dry like some people (I had to watch someone who was doing a GIM with a group of RS3 players) who went over 2k for it

[late helm]

Moonlight moths and moonlight antelopes are better

[queen thicket]

just absurd

[ruby socket]

i know oda did that for his maxing

[next dust]

next: Godsword

[mighty zodiac]

barrows will be my home if i suck at araxxor

[ruby socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Mh4hbrv_M this is a really good video about that topic

in general i've been recommended a lot of small osrs youtubers that pump out top tier quality videos recently

[next dust]

time to meme

[ruby socket]

osrs is in a really good spot video content wise

[next dust]

since ive not done inferno yet

i apologise

[peak crypt]

Oh cool. Woke up to an additional reset! Gives me that much more breathing room

[next dust]

do i?

[dense forge]

Cursed

[ruby socket]

i feel attacked bc that will probably be me!

[carmine vine]

has anyone managed to do trouble brewing for mory diary?

[tacit oyster]

you need alt or friend for it

[rare hollow]

go to 666

hopefully some randos will be running it

[carmine vine]

never lucky

[toxic vortex]

I still need it

[next dust]

lol

i attacked his allies and let minion kill kree'arra

i didnt use chins

[covert wolf]

friendly fire

[kind cairn]

i got complete 75 deep delves... still no avernic boots

[torpid current]

is the fastest fully afk gp with larcenist to steal gems and sell em? with wildy+desert
there's probably something way better im not thinking of

[toxic vortex]

for those regions, probably

[kind cairn]

whatcu need gp for?

[torpid current]

fletching xp

want 50m exp and i guess broad bolts would be easy

[smoky raft]

just got spooned all 3 voidwaker pieces

[kind cairn]

why?

[torpid current]

50m exp

[kind cairn]

no i mean how does gp get you fletching xp?

[toxic vortex]

Maybe I need to take a break from vard and knock out diaries

[torpid current]

buying unfinished broad bolts and feathers

and using huntsman relic

tf how do i not have this i remember fly fishing for ages?

[tacit oyster]

its done in desert, specific quest area

if you click it it shows more details

[torpid current]

ohhhhh ty lmfao

[smoky raft]

funny sword

[kind cairn]

funny sword is funny

[white marsh]

Is there a secondary source for wine of zamorak in leagues?

[toxic vortex]

[[wine of zamorak]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Wine_of_zamorak

[tacit oyster]

there are multiple ways bosses, telegrabbing in wildy/asgarnia or even growing zamorak grapes in zeah

[old tapir]

50mil woodcutting to get the herbs needed for 200mil herblore

[white marsh]

secondary as in not the primary methods in the main game

[toxic vortex]

that link lists all the possible methods of getting zammy wines

[white marsh]

make 20 ranging potions is a general task, and I don't have the areas you normally get the grapes or finished wine

[toxic vortex]

You do though

you can get them in varlamore from the mixology thing

[pure karma]

please report this in game with me. you cant expand this ui box for the geomancy spell.

[toxic vortex]

also a potential reward from master clues

[tawdry carbon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eye-twitch-frames-KymorXwDdmvw4

what are you infamimi

[tacit oyster]

master caskets and alchemist signet are varlamore sources for wines of zamorak

[white marsh]

Thanks! Dunno what that is but I'll go check it out

[tawdry carbon]

do you have morytania? tob has been treating me well for zammy wines

[toxic vortex]

[[mastering mixology]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Mastering_Mixology

[past forge]

how annoying is this elemental shield clue step

should i just drop it

[white marsh]

I do, I haven't tried ToB yet though

[tacit oyster]

you can buy elemental shield from any slayer master

[tawdry carbon]

tob is easy if you can do forestry events you can tob

especially in leagues

dont let this chat try to gatekeep you out of it

[kind cairn]

Yama contracts are hard

[scenic geode]

70 kills into echo hunleff and still no enhanced weapon seed. i might go insane

[tawdry carbon]

xzact has 1min summaries, you can ignore 70% of the information so its only 20 seconds of info

cuz leagues you skip a lot of shit

[white marsh]

I just haven't gotten to it yet 😅 As someone who has been f2p before this league there has been constant new stuff to grab my attention. Plus, I dunno what most stuff is, so I just have to choose a task I'm interested in and chase it.

[dense forge]

You can buy an ele shield from a slayer master, I believe

Ope didn't see someone answered

[tawdry carbon]

good stuff

[rare hollow]

i have question

[smoky swift]

randomly got a pact reset?

[rare hollow]

nvm no question

[tacit oyster]

+1 from update

[smoky swift]

oh nice

[pure bramble]

Could anyone with wildy help me get a couple of wrath runes pls

I'm in w668

[kind cairn]

the disrespect

[karmic nova]

I still have to pick my 3rd region. Only have karamja and Varlamore

[modern ginkgo]

Hello, I've got Asgarnia, Kandarin and Morytania, my mage with Ahrim feels quite weak, I've got ahrims, occult neckland and ahrims hood, top and bot - is there something else I should go for instead?

[past forge]

is there an easy way to get all the materials to build all the quetzal sites?

[misty sigil]

echo thermy items

[modern ginkgo]

You can buy everything but the feed

[next dust]

do dragon darts and knives have a difference?

[modern ginkgo]

I've got them

[misty sigil]

then virtus after

[modern ginkgo]

The Whisperer then?

[misty sigil]

or vard

[modern ginkgo]

I can't do vard lol I'm not built for it

Leagues has given me a chance to finally learn boss mechanics haha

[pure bramble]

Could anyone with wildy please help me get a couple of wraths

[tacit oyster]

didnt get it last league even after going over drop rate but at least i got it this league

[chilly pine]

confliction gauntlets from doom, im afking vard with water mage right now

[tacit oyster]

9 rifts in mass world and already got to over 25% of pet rate

[modern ginkgo]

How do I do it bud? Just heal and hope for the best? Lol

[old tapir]

go for justi and have fun with water thorns

[chilly pine]

it helps if you know how to axe skip, which i learned for awakened this league, protect from melee and augury on the corner

[modern ginkgo]

I've got justi helm and legs with bandos chest atm

[balmy shadow]

I just went water thorns with justi and DFS and its perfoming so much worse than my previous cbow/thorns D:

[old tapir]

yeah its not the best single target dps

with mory you could probably try a sang variant also

[misty sigil]

i need to start tob

and doom and inferno and colo , i just keep getting good slayer boss tasks

[remote cove]

guys did I win yet, 400 no lance on hydra

[old tapir]

i was going for blessed quiver but now i'm on a 200mil herblore detour

i saw the path

[balmy shadow]

seems like the dps from tank setup is not high enough to outheal the incoming damage in places i was intending to rely on water thorns

[rare hollow]

F

400kc no lance sad

it should have been task for the brimstone ring ngl

[remote cove]

2 pets, 4.6 brimstones, thrown dragons, 4 gloves lol

[rare hollow]

you only need lance for dragonbane stuff

[remote cove]

i need lance forr pact point lmao

[old tapir]

sometimes it isn't, what really makes a difference is extra regen chance so the first water node sometimes heals you for 20 instead of 10

[rare hollow]

just qol not anything else

yeah

[toxic vortex]

time to go pickpocket some farmers

[remote cove]

i hate how its a pact point, i would have stopped long ago if it wasnt

[rare hollow]

i mean to say it should have been something like araxxor just get 1kc

instead of chasin for lance

or even the lizardmen shamans task wasnt as bad just 150 of them

but i got 2 dwhs from them go figure

i dont have much use for those dwhs

[remote cove]

hit 601 shamans no warhammer too, but i put them on hold

[rare hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-help-monkey-ouch-hurt-gif-4232804291918047480

[old tapir]

this is my build, if you want to tech into powered staves i would remove the section in yellow to grab the attack speed and air+water things

[rare hollow]

i got 2 in 150kc im sorry

[remote cove]

at least my badluck is going somewhere

gz ez

[rare hollow]

i did go dry 3x at zulrah for trident

which was my first region so i was kinda stuck there for 2-3 days

with dogshit pacts and weapons

[remote cove]

hydra just suckssss to grind

[rare hollow]

its just boring

recommend to get a stored task to swap out when bored of it

i was using shadow on hydra at the start but it felt boring so i legit just used melee instead

[remote cove]

I dont think I can continue leagues unless I get the lance

[rare hollow]

felt a little more engaging

what about full oathplate

[cosmic shoal]

Ugh my god I’ve been so busy I’ve slacked off leagues I only have 70 quests done

[remote cove]

was all planned

[cosmic shoal]

I’m fucked unless I start grinding hard

[remote cove]

after lance > fortis > yama

but goddam this lance

[rare hollow]

if its any consolation

[remote cove]

my 5th gloves, kill me now

[rare hollow]

maybe u can use it at olm

gg rip

[remote cove]

2nd thrownaxe

bruhhhh

[chilly pine]

would 1400 vardorvis kills be the average for 4 axe pieces and 3 virtus pieces?

[remote cove]

if only it worked that way

but technically on avg, yeah

[chilly pine]

pretty good odds at pet for 1/3000

soul reaper axe should be 400 points

[livid slate]

Here's a sample size for you:

[potent quail]

noice

[chilly pine]

nice 2 pets

[past birch]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-135-139-14-140-141-145-146-15-17-18-2-21-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-57-60-61-7-71-8-81-84-87-92-94-95-96-97-99

Where would you guys put the last point? I'm torn between +5% echo or the offhand giving +5 melee and range str

Could be +25% accuracy too

[covert night]

are we locked out of skill capes if we dont have the area unlocked?

[remote cove]

jesus christ

[queen thicket]

i do not want to go back

i'm not even crazy dry

but two jars just feels like a big fuck you when you get both before 200kc

[remote cove]

yikes thats even worse lmao

at least i have the pet

[queen thicket]

you at least have the thing to carry forward into future leagues yea

i already had a jar from sire too

so these two were completely useless even for the task

[livid slate]

Back to the mines with you

[remote cove]

surely one more 200 task ill get it right

[queen thicket]

nnope

i'll go back when I want to

that is not now

[pure karma]

https://youtu.be/tIRXEfVHtOY

[queen thicket]

200m thieving for me

[copper gorge]

I am personally just not a fan of the relic system. Im a smart enough dude but i just cba to figure out how it all works and what the best path is

It shouldnt take streamers and everyone sharing their builds and stuff to be like oh this looks nice. Raging echoes if you read the combat masteries it was clear as day what you would be getting.

Also, you guys notice how many end game bosses have stupid high magic defense?

[queen thicket]

It definitely could have been better written, less obtuse, but overall with the amount of points you get I don't really feel like you should be feeling weak

Even if you go without a guide

You'd have to go out of your way to try and build something useless

[copper gorge]

Not really go out of your way. But like i started out with pure water build. Respecced into air mage. Respecced at echo thermy into water thorns but fucked up and was out of respecs.

[tacit oyster]

a lot of the bosses have resistances to every style

[queen thicket]

well, in this sense they've given out like

[copper gorge]

Most are light for melee and heavy for range/mage.

[queen thicket]

6 total resets, no?

[tacit oyster]

the thing is mage players are avoiding mage attack stats and then confused why they cannot hit

[queen thicket]

I have only reset twice so far this league

[copper gorge]

Yeah, hey i get that. They just added the third one.

[queen thicket]

I didn't spam waste them since the league is 2 months long and I wasn't rlly sure if I was gonna regret it without having even gotten to the high 20s/mid 30s in terms of points

[remote cove]

still 0 resets, xbow is king

early was ugh

[copper gorge]

I was at early stage of pacts where mage just wasnt working on the echo bosses.

[remote cove]

but honestly idk what im gonna do, WAZ doesnt have much in terms of other styles

[copper gorge]

Tried to respec quick and missed the first thorns node that procs everything because i selected the end node and didnt expect it to not work.

It was brutal.

Yeah, messed it up, but its also easy to mess it up 🤣 thats more or less my complaint with it.

Some of the content is not easy until later pacts are opened.

[queen thicket]

oof

[ripe turtle]

free pact reset

neat

[shrewd ermine]

for moons of peril, do I need to switch to melee to kill the boss? They have a very high magic defense that idk if more accuracy nodes will help

[plain pasture]

A major issue was how slowly it progressed with pacts.
In previous leagues a mid tier relic/5 combat masteries got you enough to tackle a lot of content early.
Whilst this one was long winded and dragged out with many pacts being towards end game bosses.

Not to mention how some content is still locked behind quests, 6 leagues in and every quest still isn't autocompled is ridiculous

[plain pasture]

Thorns kills them easily.
Otherwise you'll need about 70 magic accuracy from equipment with 150% or so pacts accuracy to kill them effectively

Even then I wouldn't say it's farmable with them boosts

[rare hollow]

kinda funny how magic mains suffer at easy bosses like moons

[plain pasture]

The pact being equip armour rather than 1 killcount is pretty diabolical

[rare hollow]

meh if u kill all 3 of them the drop rate is like 1/3 for any unique

no complains

blood moon can be a pain tho

[shrewd ermine]

Thankfully I have thorns and minion so that will help.

I have blade of saeldor too. Just thinking about doing that. I also have full guthans too

[plain pasture]

It's horrid content to begin with

Thorns does 90% ur damage on moons if ur magic

[rare hollow]

take blade of salad door

[shrewd ermine]

Right, so in that case doesn't melee make more sense?

[plain pasture]

Just use max tank over accuracy

[rare hollow]

it will be nice for bloodmoon

[shrewd ermine]

[plain pasture]

But water surge casts gain u hp

Hit or no hit

[shrewd ermine]

True

[rare hollow]

if u need hp just cast

[shrewd ermine]

[rare hollow]

otherwise hit

[plain pasture]

Most bosses meta is actually max tank, with high regen.
So u heal 20 hp every cast of water surge.
Then dps with recoil and thorns.

Higher dps in a lot of cases than best dps focus builds because of accuracy

[rare hollow]

i hope they make more recoil immune bosses in the future

tbh its just about boss design

jagex just wanted moons to be melee focused

they didnt want maxed mains coming in and running around with shadows

[plain pasture]

The healing on thorns with max tank, bloodfury and water surge with high runes regen actually makes 6 jads afkable with mage pray

[shrewd ermine]

what do I do for blue moon? not sure what weapons I'd have access to TKM besides torag's that would be good here

[rare hollow]

just use your blade

[plain pasture]

Honestly just do max tank with thorns max recoil

It will dps more than any melee weapons

[rare hollow]

crush is just bis but any melee thing with enough accuracy bonus will be enough for him

now eclipse moon i can understand just recoiling

[plain pasture]

(Off pact melee weapon) that is

[rare hollow]

cuz that mofo will blind you till your max hit with melee ends up being 1

for the rest of the fight

[plain pasture]

When I did moons on my main account with max gear thorns I did like 12-15 second kills purely off thorns/recoil

[shrewd ermine]

does recoil and thorns stack?

[plain pasture]

Yes

[austere gazelle]

Anyone know of a better fishing method than the 1.8m/hr im getting fly fishing?

[plain pasture]

Recoil ring + echo boots + double thorns

[rare hollow]

karambwans?

fly fishing is probably the best tho

[plain pasture]

All stacks hard af

60+ damage per trigger in max gear

[austere gazelle]

i wonder how much they give

[shrewd ermine]

is recoil worth making if I already have thorns though? 40hp until failure isn't a lot

[austere gazelle]

could also be a better cooking solve

[plain pasture]

And guaranteed not accuracy based

Recoil adds like 7 or 8 per hit

[rare hollow]

its a good cooking solve tbf

can easily transmute into higher stuff if u want to

only thing it just falls slightly behind salmons due to chance at failing to catch it

[shrewd ermine]

I guess in that case I just need to craft a bunch of rings

[plain pasture]

Put it this way

I asked 6 jad challenge

Pray mage only

[rare hollow]

but its very easy to grind a heck ton of karambwanji and afk at bwans

maybe youll get lucky and get heron too

[shrewd ermine]

im at work and doing karams rn lol

[plain pasture]

Healing outheals even b2b hits off pray from jad/zuk

[rare hollow]

good work bwana

[plain pasture]

So long as u have max

[rare hollow]

yeah thorns is just superb for the jad challenges

[plain pasture]

I did zuk without shield

[shrewd ermine]

hmm

[plain pasture]

Missed on first rotation so just went with it

[rare hollow]

the only other setup behind it will be prayair just cuz it rips

and if you're that good, blindbag melee

[shrewd ermine]

for 6 jad though I assume I need to actually do the mechs right?

[spring cipher]

just use whatever melee weapon

[plain pasture]

I stood middle praying mage

[spring cipher]

if ur thorns u can focus on just praying

[plain pasture]

No need to f3

[peak crypt]

About to start in on echo thermy. Whats the average kill time? Couple minutes?

[shrewd ermine]

what does f3 do again lol i have keybinds remapped

[plain pasture]

Thorns in max heals u more than they hit with rnage

So u camp mage pray

[shrewd ermine]

about a minute is my average

[peak crypt]

Sweet, thanks

[plain pasture]

People massively underestimate how broken thorns is if u have the right pacts

And areas

[shrewd ermine]

so jad magic is more dangerous than range?

[plain pasture]

No

[shrewd ermine]

so why do we pray mage

[plain pasture]

It's just that ur in 450+ ranged defence.

[shrewd ermine]

ah

[plain pasture]

So only 1/2 hits can damage u

And ur healing is higher than his max hit

Even with multiple healing is constant so ur hp can never actually hit 0

It's like tick eating 24.7

Imagine you tick ate every tick

You can physically not die

[shrewd ermine]

[copper gorge]

I used rune mace

[plain pasture]

So long as ur pacts and gear are high enough

[peak crypt]

Lol. Got occult necklace on 2nd thermy kill. I wonder if thats a good or bad omen

[shrewd ermine]

I see

[plain pasture]

188 hp, justiciar, ely, high regen so u get 20 hp every cast plus healing off damage.
Then max thorns with healing off thorns + bloodfury

[shrewd ermine]

i got occult pretty early too. shadowflame took me over 50kc so pretty dry but better late than never

[spring cipher]

i dont even make use of it

[shrewd ermine]

i have crystal. is that fine?

[peak crypt]

Thought it was guaranteed on 50th kill

[spring cipher]

of the occult

[plain pasture]

I'd say no

[shrewd ermine]

is it? lol

[plain pasture]

Not for 100% afk anyway

[copper gorge]

It is.

[shrewd ermine]

oh

[copper gorge]

I got it at 32

[spring cipher]

ye

u get both uniques by 50 echo kc

guarenteed

[copper gorge]

I got devils element at 2 kc which sucked.

[shrewd ermine]

hmm, I dont have the other one

the element

[spring cipher]

are u sure ur at 50 kc

thermy echo kc

[copper gorge]

Then you probably dont have 50 echo thermy kc

[spring cipher]

it took me 5 hours to do 50 echo thermy

it was god awful

i had no dps when i did it

[copper gorge]

Same

[spring cipher]

my kills averaged like 4minutes

[peak crypt]

As long as it isn't like my echo cg I'll be fine lol

[shrewd ermine]

honestly it's probably just shoved in my bank

[copper gorge]

Mine were between 4 and 5.

[shrewd ermine]

and I didn't see the drop

[copper gorge]

Was painfully slow. Not hard just so little dps.

[spring cipher]

it took me about 25 kc to get my shadowflame and then 50 kc for the element

[copper gorge]

Echo amox tho. Whooooooo boy was that difficult.

[spring cipher]

echo amox was pretty easy i found it

less annoying than echo thermy

[peak crypt]

I'm not even sure I'm worried about the element. Gonna be using a shield for thorns anyway

[copper gorge]

I did echo amox without any super gear or thorns.

[spring cipher]

oh yea then it is annoying

i waited till shadowflame

[copper gorge]

Element is good for bosses that dont really need thorns.

Like zulrah for example.

[shrewd ermine]

I know higher defense is higher thorns but is it higher healing too?

[copper gorge]

Thorns unnecessary. Just wreck.

[peak crypt]

Already got zulrah out of the way. Went suuuuuuper dry on that damn thing too

[viral scarab]

ranger boots at 6 med clues, hell yeah

[late helm]

Did you just do zulrah for points?

[copper gorge]

I waited for shadowflame.

Content ez mode with shadow

[peak crypt]

No for the fang for a pact point

[late helm]

Ah yeah

[peak crypt]

Took 250 kills of zulrah to get the damn fang. Everything else dropped like 4-6 times over lol

[copper gorge]

25 second zulrah kills are nice.

[peak crypt]

Yeah I was obliterating him lol. I had more trouble with echo cg really. Went pretty dry there too with the armor seeds. Plus I find that echo fight frustrating

So lets hope the thermy fight goes better!

[rare hollow]

took me 330kc for my toxix trident

[peak crypt]

Oof

[shrewd ermine]

def wish I got shadow earlier

[rare hollow]

yeah for the weapon i needed for my early game build

i sure was having fun blindbagging

[tight thorn]

How do demonic gorillas work with prayer pen? If I deal another 80 dmg with the type they're praying against, will they swap prayers again?

[toxic vortex]

if you have prayer pen it doesn't matter

you'll stop attacking once they swap, but then you just attack again

[tight thorn]

Yeah, but it's not 100% 😄

[toxic vortex]

so it will just take you longer

[spring cipher]

they glitch out and switch to melee for me despite me maging them

[chilly lily]

Whats the best way to get hard clues in leagues?

[tacit oyster]

water mage with thorns or minion?

[spring cipher]

thorns trident with a tiny bit of healing

[tacit oyster]

thorns are melee damage

[spring cipher]

oh

that makes sense

i was wondering why monkeys were swapping styles

[pure karma]

anyone know the xp rates for wcing in leagues?

[toxic vortex]

anyone else just dc

[pure karma]

nope

[peak crypt]

just depends on what tier of relic you have right? And otherwise can just use wiki and multiply from there? Aside from like endless harvest which also makes it go much faster

[tight thorn]

Just tested, they just stay in mage forever...

[pure karma]

i found what i was asking

teak is bis

[long trail]

god no

[pure karma]

even without tick

[long trail]

dont make me kill zulrah that much i pray

[chilly pine]

do you have larcenist?

[chilly lily]

yes

[pure karma]

isnt zulrah like a 6 second kill?

[long trail]

not for me yet

my avg is like 35-50 s

[toxic vortex]

I was never quite able to get zulrah down that low

[chilly pine]

do you have wilderness or kandarin?

[stoic lance]

i literally have no idea what zulrahs mechanics are and i can get 20 second kills using thorns mage lmao

[chilly lily]

both

[long trail]

meta build haver :(

[chilly pine]

rogues castle chest is probably best

[toxic vortex]

pickpocketing from paladins is more afk-able

[remote cove]

470kc no lance, i'd feel better if they said they accidentally removed the lance at this rate

[dusky coral]

how do i do this one

[next dust]

took me 338

[chilly pine]

they || didn't .|| remove the lance

[queen trail]

i know all slayermasters have the same task list during leagues but do they also share task weight or are their certain masters more like to give a particular task

[prime horizon]

I am 47 agility and need 50 for the varlamore agi course. Whats a good way to gain that xp?

[tacit oyster]

[[Malignius Mortifer]]

[stoic lance]

they changed it so theyve got their individual task lists now

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Malignius_Mortifer

[toxic vortex]

stepping stones in yama's domain

[frigid apex]

Are marks of grace boosted?

[queen trail]

is it the same list as always or something different? i want one that gives wyrms but not konar since konar is not nice and sends me to the wyrmling place instead XD

[queen trail]

running around with the hotfoot boots 🙂

[stoic lance]

i think its the same list as always, yeah konar became a total ahole lmao

it was better when she didnt give locations

duradels defo been offering me wyrms as a task

[chilly pine]

if you're 100 combat, use duradel and turn off boss tasks

[queen trail]

i'll go talk to daddy duradel then

[chilly pine]

if you have hotfoot relic

[silent garnet]

So it turns out that even the 'regen your runes' pact doesn't work when you ahve 120% rune regen

[muted needle]

non meta is just meta with extra steps

[silent garnet]

and the "use fire runes for extra damage" doesn't work either

[potent quail]

It should work

[silent garnet]

Nope. If you splash you don't regen runes like half the time

And when you splash 400 fire runes you don't get an increased hit of 400

[potent quail]

What does that have to do with 120% regen?

[silent garnet]

just one more thing that doesn't work

[silent garnet]

Casting spells uses runes.

[hollow garden]

Those that have taken Conniving Clues, any regret?

I either solve RC with Soulharvest, Conniving Clues or Endless Food (but I always have a way to water hp regen so meh).

My main concern is, does it really make the process faster?

I'm assuming that doing all Clue-related tasks takes much longer than getting 99 RC at ZMI (about 650k EXP per hour with Ourania POH portal)

Goal is to Dragon Cup

[queen trail]

if you have 120% regen you'll get more runes back than you spend every time

well

not every time

but in total

[muted needle]

yep200%

clues not worth having this leagues

[silent garnet]

Its not consistent though. I just regened 400 fire runes and then my first hit was only 200 on levi

[potent quail]

So why 120% specificly? Does that number matter or is it just what you have right now

[queen trail]

what do you mean with hit ?

[potent quail]

Whenever your combat spells Regenerate fire runes, the damage of your next spell hit is increased by 1 per rune regenerated

It foes say hit

New tech unlocked?

[silent garnet]

Yea, its not even right though.

I can splash and 1 shot thermy

[potent quail]

There may be a damage cap on how high a hitsplat can go

[silent garnet]

but levi has a 200 damage cap

It just nullifies my build

[tacit oyster]

yes, can splash undead grasp to stack damag for next hit

[silent garnet]

so stupid

[queen trail]

how do you regen fire runes with combat spells without hitting something

[muted needle]

you an air mage?

[queen trail]

oh

[potent quail]

So not a bug

Works as intended

[silent garnet]

I have negative 85 mage bonus, gurunteeing a splash

[kind helm]

how do u double cast a spell in leauge ???

[potent quail]

Its the staff they use

[queen trail]

i think -25 would have done the trick XD

[potent quail]

The kandarin echo weapon

Nah you need more then -25

[kind helm]

ooo ok, thanks!

[queen trail]

yeah -64 normally but -25 times your accuracy bonus

[chilly pine]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Shadowflame_quadrant

[silent garnet]

It is a bug - it says my next hit gets bonus damage equal to fire runes regened.

The damage cap - which already exists in the main game - isn't being superceded by my pact

[potent quail]

I dont know if it works like that

[hollow garden]

I've got Larcenist and Kandarin so I have a ton of Scrolls, Give or take 100 of each +3 Masters, I just feel like it takes so long to go through all the step and gather all the gear requirement 😭

[silent garnet]

so the pact DOESN"T work

IE bugged

[muted needle]

and there are least clue tasks this leagues too

[silent garnet]

Sorry guys - its not bugged. The pact just doesn't do what it says it should.

[queen trail]

thats like saying i onyl hit 5 damage on a man even though i should hit 200

[silent garnet]

I know that i read the pact and understood it. And then I tried to build something interesting. But its not bugged! It just doesn't owrk.

[potent quail]

Its about order of operations?

Lets say in the maingame you hit for 300 that would get lowered to 200

In this mode you increase your hit to 300 and that gets lowerd to 200?

Thats how a damage cap works, it is the last rule

[silent garnet]

Levi has 900 hp.

[tacit oyster]

some mobs just have their own damage caps or even damage reduction

[queen trail]

your damage against that man is capped at his hp

[mighty zodiac]

so uh is abyssal tentacle worth using for ToB melee when it's necessary

[silent garnet]

But levi has 900 lmao.

[muted needle]

some mobs cant be hit by mage deal with it

[potent quail]

Does it work at other bosses or is it just that one boss?

[muted needle]

you need balanced build

[queen trail]

with a damage cap of 200 it seems ( didnt know that before, why is that even a thing i nthe main game)

[chilly pine]

it benefits from charge regen now, so if you have 100% why not

[rocky harbor]

i just unlocked relic and i dunno what to pick. i want to do reloaded then that means there all the leftovers to pick from

[silent garnet]

That's 2/9. In your example it would be

"splash 500 fire runes and hit the damage cape of 2/9 on a man (which is 1)"

[silent garnet]

I didn't know either. Why is it here?

Apparently zulrah - specifically - has its damage cap removed????

[queen trail]

i'd say ruby bolts for awakaned version maybe

[potent quail]

Bolts are xapped at 100

[silent garnet]

😠

[queen trail]

but that was 50, in leagues you hit 50s by just entering its lair

[tacit oyster]

ruby bolts already ahve their own cap at 100/110

[potent quail]

Maybe a security measure
For just in case

[queen trail]

io forgot about that, then i dont know what would hit 200

[silent garnet]

I'm glad they gave us another free reset - sothat way I can find ANOTHER BUILD THAT DOESN"T FUCKING WORK

[potent quail]

I do sa that is a very unique build i have never heard of before

And when you read the pact it clearly works

[fair swallow]

@rocky harbor flow state

[potent quail]

Does it work at all other bosses? Or fo most have that cap?

[ripe turtle]

Found a bot in leagues worlds

[queen trail]

so you cant hit over 200 anywhere ?

[ripe turtle]

a broken one

[plain pasture]

No it just means your gonna get hit more, less thorns damage which means less healing from the thorns healing + blood fury

[rocky harbor]

has anyone used the conniving clues?
i have natures accord and woodsman so flow state seems not what i need

[ripe turtle]

I have

[potent quail]

You have zeah?

[ripe turtle]

conniving clues, as a clue taker, is pretty bad

ngl

[potent quail]

You did your 75 masters yet?

[rocky harbor]

I was going to choose grimiore but i dont know if i need anything beyond what i have already. and i have piety now...

[tacit oyster]

clue relic is nice if you want to complete all the clue tasks. saves similar time as other relics

[potent quail]

No grimoire is very bad

[shrewd ermine]

alright noted. does blood fury trigger on thorns or just melee?

[ripe turtle]

no because getting the teleport scrolls is so bad

[potent quail]

Well it depends if you have zeah conniving is terrible

[ripe turtle]

been focusing on raids

[rocky harbor]

probably not since i dont know what zeah is

[potent quail]

Kourend and zeah^^

[spring cipher]

thorns too

[potent quail]

is 1 region

[spring cipher]

its so crazy

[queen trail]

the osrs leagues recap said there are 3 people that picked grimoire even though having all the areas that give the prayers and spells that grimoire unlocks, so that is a thing

[ripe turtle]

If you plan to do raids, take eternal sustenance and never look back. It is so nice for QOL

[shrewd ermine]

im guessing then occult isn't that useful then?

[spring cipher]

i dont think ive ever needed to use foods

at all

i just flask

[plain pasture]

Blood fury triggers on all thorns.
So the lower u hit with thorns the lower ur passive healing.
With the amountnof damage thorns do the healing is huge

[ripe turtle]

I took ES and axe

the humble 750 damage hitsplat on olm:

[potent quail]

I do think one of the most unique builds of the league, and in theory quite easy to build into for everyone, literally 1 pact point

And afking before a hard boss to shoot 1 big 200 damage attack still seems hella dope

[spring cipher]

occult is fine if ur purely water maging /surging i think
even as air mage ur bis necklace would be the bone crusher necklace

[ripe turtle]

oh also axe damage isn't reduced on olm hands

that was a lie

[rocky harbor]

I just heal w/water and im tracking the air spells with trying to get prayer bonus.

[shrewd ermine]

yeah I see. I'll try to see if I can make jad work with crystal gear. I have minion which I heard is nice because I can toggle AOE and it will hit the healers too

[potent quail]

The math says it does not

In zeah its really bad as you get masters super easy there

Outside of zeah it gets better though and i dont kow the math here

[rocky harbor]

i was lucky and got imbued heart.

[plain pasture]

Yeh i mean u can kill it regardless.
But max thorns tank build makes it afk.

[ripe turtle]

Also why take slayer relic just get lucky

[rocky harbor]

the one reason i asked about conniving clues is i really enjoy doing them.

[tacit oyster]

yes every relic has regions they are bad in

[potent quail]

Then take it

[plain pasture]

Clue relic this time round is an embarrassing excuse of a relic spot

[ripe turtle]

Trust me it is not at all like the older versions

you do not get enough clue contracts to sustain them

its basically like 1/3 steps you can skip

[shrewd ermine]

i dont like clues

[rocky harbor]

i have the culling spree as well so i get A LOT of elites

[plain pasture]

They also heavily nerfed amount of points from clues whilst simultaneously nerfing the relic.
All rounder F pick

[rocky harbor]

this is my first leagues so i have no older version to compare 😄

[ripe turtle]

^^^^ I regret taking it lol

[shrewd ermine]

50 unique items from master crates and it's 80 points

[hollow garden]

I see it in the DPS Calc, but I fail to understand why Smoke spells are so much worst for Air Prayer build, even though there is a Smoke are now Air spell node and that Smoke Blitz has a higher base hit than Wind Surge

[plain pasture]

I was gonna take it for a air build.
Then realised water surge thorns beats it almost everywhere because of thorns

[ripe turtle]

clues still have some 4k points tied to them so like if you REALLY like doing clues it's not the absolute worst

but it's also like

[shrewd ermine]

true, but it's boring

[ripe turtle]

from my own experience i dont recommend it

[next dust]

50x more kreearas to go

just a bit more afk

[plain pasture]

It's more like 1.8k if u don't factor insane grinds

[ripe turtle]

take something else like eternal sustenance

[tacit oyster]

ancients do not double cast with shadowflame quadron

[rocky harbor]

i can do clues pretty quick because of the mushroom.

[hollow garden]

Has anyone figured out the actual DPS of a Water Thorn build?

It does feel like Thorn claps way hard but I haven't found actual stats.
It's easy to see that 62 DPS Air Prayer is bonkers, harder to know if Water Thorn really competes

[hollow garden]

That makes sense now, thanks! 🙂

[rocky harbor]

so i dont mind having the regular amount of steps.

[plain pasture]

The dps is far beyond what anyone predicted.
Exact number I can't say.
And it's massively dependent on how much hits u take

[rocky harbor]

i DO want to try doing raids and im a panicky bumbler so maybe that eternal sus would be good

[shrewd ermine]

i love getting 🐔blocked because I need a twisted bow, 20 billion gp, and the cure to cancer to progress a single step

[plain pasture]

For example dps on thorns somewhere like leagues jad challenge will be in the hundreds

Because of how much you're hit