leagues-general

[tawdry carbon]

then got quest cape later

i didnt even afk train
i think i did ds2 to farm vorki pet and i finished a few 96+ melee skills there lol

[winged sinew]

well mid game is base 92 because 99/2 = 92

[livid slate]

For the most part, infamini's point is valid for the most part. If you don't have quest cape, in most cases you don't have access to the whole game, so you're not going to have access to mid or end game content by design.

[amber sleet]

it's not valid for the most part

[livid slate]

Saying pre-quest cape is early game isn't that crazy

[spring cipher]

not even that

[amber sleet]

if they had said "the endgame doesn't start until after quest cape", i might see more of a point

but that wasn't what they said

[spring cipher]

quest cape requirements is like 70s ish

[amber sleet]

they said the game doesn't start until after quest cape, and anyone who doesnt have one isn't actually an osrs player

and just reaching quest cape is casual

that's fucking insanely unhinged levels of alternate reality thinking

[spring cipher]

i will agree with them that the game takes a long ass time to progerss

[tawdry carbon]

i had like 4000 boss kc and 100 cox/30 tob well before my quest cape tho

[spring cipher]

but thats just the nature of osrs

[livid slate]

I can agree/argue for the first part, but not the second part.

[tawdry carbon]

i only did quests for unlocks for the bosses/raids.

[livid slate]

You need to have access to the whole game for the game to "start" so to speak, so there is that I suppose?

But they're still a valid OSRS player in either context.

[amber sleet]

?????????????

[livid slate]

They're just an early game player

[tawdry carbon]

i still stand by the opinion that quest cape shouldnt be grounds for gatekeeping people from doing raids.

its not a hard req

[amber sleet]

why do you need to have access to the entire game for the game to "start"?

that makes no sense lmfao

[crystal kelp]

Or course it shouldn't be

I've got blorva radiant oathplate pals who haven't bothered to do quest cape

[livid slate]

I very much so agree with this, as well.

[tawdry carbon]

yeah

i had high ass kc/clears b4 quest cape

[livid slate]

If you can access the raids, you should be able to play them as you see fit.

[tawdry carbon]

its just a means to an end for me

but im a mechanical player

comes from all the LAN competitions

[livid slate]

Because from a basis of linear progression, your time getting quest cape is less than 10% of the time you actually spend playing OSRS to completion.

[spring cipher]

the original argument was that most people wont understand late game terms cause the community is so small so i said give or take 15-20% of the community would probably understand to a degree even including casual pvm/pvers

[amber sleet]

that is only true if you play the game to completion

[short cave]

is there a fishing trawler world?

[livid slate]

In a typical context, that's technically a demo, if anything.

[amber sleet]

what percentage of players do you think do that?

[spring cipher]

and they say its way less and i disagree cause i dont count people who play an hour a week

and then the argument then shifted here

[amber sleet]

how are you defining "the start of the game" as a point after the stopping point for the vast majority of players who have played the game for thousands upon thousands of hours?

[livid slate]

Most players are early game players. If you ask them about raids, they don't even know the game has raids.

[amber sleet]

that makes no sense

[amber sleet]

that is exactly my point

[livid slate]

I have plenty of friends that play osrs to do farm runs and cut trees, but that is all they do.

[tawdry carbon]

one of my old clanmates was gm and didnt play that much
but when he got on, he sweat his ass off. high efficiency raids/bosses.

[amber sleet]

just because they are early game players or casuals doesn't meant they aren't playing the game though

lmfao

[tawdry carbon]

playtime is also a shite metric

[amber sleet]

if you want to say things

[livid slate]

They are, they're just early game players.

[amber sleet]

say what you mean

[livid slate]

I put "start" in quotations for that reason.

[amber sleet]

okay, and that isn't what infamimi was saying

[tawdry carbon]

the thing is

[tacit oyster]

unlocking access to some content does not mean players are ready to farm it, like doing 1 fight cave unlocks inferno

[tawdry carbon]

a lot of this would be solved if raids were only accessible at lan tournaments

you planked = slap in the back of the head

[spring cipher]

also when i say "play play" i mean people who log in often enough to grind the game and make meaningfull progress

so friends that i have that login just to gemcrab

i dont count

cause they have no quests done

and only have 90s in melees

[amber sleet]

what is meaningful progress to you isn't the same thing as meaningful progress to someone else

you can't just use words that mean one thing

and ascribe a personal internal definiton to them

and expect someone not to disagree with you

when you haven't expounded on that definition at all

[tacit oyster]

people are allowed to do anything they want but you cannot force others to group with someone with 60s stats and rune armour to do cm cox or tob

[tawdry carbon]

that ia gree

but saying oph you need quest cape to max stats and get good raid gear

is cap

lmao

[amber sleet]

this was never part of the discussion

nobody advocated for this at all

[torpid trench]

The problem with elitism and gatekeeping is that it perpetually masquerades as upholding minimum standards

[tacit oyster]

a lot of people want to efficiently farm raid so they will not take random players who have 0 experience with them. It is same in other mmos

[tawdry carbon]

thats not the point im making here tho

saying you need to do quest cape before raiding is a dogshit take

lol

[simple marsh]

it’s me, I am that player

[amber sleet]

not only is that a bad take but that wasn't even how bad the take was

[tawdry carbon]

missing a few random quests isnt stopping you from having your salve at bloat or high combat stats or proper gear to raid

[amber sleet]

the take was if you don't have quest cape you aren't even playing the game

[livid slate]

And there isn't anything wrong with that, at all

[amber sleet]

and you are not even casual level player

[tawdry carbon]

yea but tahst what i was arguing against
since im literally an example against this and i have other friends hwo are examples aginst this

thing is youre arguing against someone who wants to define the game as a straight line thats their "tried and true path"

[livid slate]

We were all that kind of player at some point after all

[simple marsh]

I have only just started to dip my toes into proper pvm this last year, but I’m like 2050 total already

[spring cipher]

and the upholding minimum standards looks like this, dont you think someones a lil silly for thinking this is gatekeepting

this is for minimum standards for cox

[tawdry carbon]

and what about this setup screams qeust cape to u lmfao

[spring cipher]

if u cant even get this what are u doing at a late game raid

[tawdry carbon]

quest cape isnt gonna help u click things mechanically you know how many quest capers cant raid for shit

[spring cipher]

this is all stuff u can get early to mid game

[torpid trench]

If you cant tell the difference between this and what we are discussing, then I wont continue this discussion with you

[old tapir]

i mean, some of these things are a bit expensive

[tawdry carbon]

ur trying to dsicuss w someone who is entirely rigid in their arguments and has to ignore people who are existing contradictions to their argument

[torpid trench]

That is just a random strawman to support yourself, when we are on the same side

dont do that

[amber sleet]

according to infamimi your friends aren't osrs players and aren't worth consideration

[winged sinew]

you need a lightbearer before doing raids?

[heavy dome]

Can I spend League points after the League has finished or does it have to be during?

[spring cipher]

i think its only elitism when they require expensive gear

[tired quiver]

does ibans staff work with powered staff perks?

[tawdry carbon]

no lol

[rancid badge]

i got a trailblazer league ornament kit drop from the jad challenges, is that even usable in any way? i wasnt expecting a drop from an older leagues now

[spring cipher]

it helps cause u can get more specs off for either more dps or more defence reduction

[tawdry carbon]

sure it helps but its not a requirement

[winged sinew]

isn't that a light bearer in the picture?

[tawdry carbon]

yes it is but its not a hard req

its just helpful

[winged sinew]

do you not get it from a raid?

toa

[tawdry carbon]

yes

but u can trade for it, but u also do not need it to clear

ppl were doing quick cms well before lightbearer existed

[winged sinew]

so if you need it minimum and you are ironman

how do you even start toa

[spring cipher]

im pointing out more so the fact that people still complain about it despite being a low barrier to entry but if you meant like people who actually go overboard then yea

[tawdry carbon]

u dont need it is what im saying

[winged sinew]

[spring cipher]

its for mains

[tawdry carbon]

its helpful but i would never bar anyone from a raid for not having lightbearer

lmao

[spring cipher]

ironmen just bring berserker ring

[amber sleet]

my guess is they will say do ToA low invo since that's basically mid/early game content

which i agree with

[winged sinew]

but standards

[tawdry carbon]

again

ur talking to infamimi the godking gatekeeper

[spring cipher]

irons run on a different standard

most people understand

[tawdry carbon]

vs me who is 100% open doors if you learn youre in

[winged sinew]

who decides that?

you?

[tawdry carbon]

i mean obviously yes

theyre the final boss of this discord and all raiding

[spring cipher]

the fact that they're iron lol and people can decide if they wanna go with them

[amber sleet]

there is like a point buried somewhere in the completely braindead shit they are saying

[tawdry carbon]

dont do what they say? youre out...

[amber sleet]

i think they are just very bad a communicating

[tawdry carbon]

who knows

[tacit oyster]

quest cape will tell that players at least have some knowledge of the game. You will not brute force ds2 or dt2 even in bis gear without minimal understanding. It just isnt something players must have to do content, people just like making arbitrary rules/standards to avoid people coming in to leech raids and bring total points down

[spring cipher]

usually these standards are set for people who have a choice to change up their setup

and have the freedom to do so

[tawdry carbon]

yeah but again.. I had plenty of solo raids and a few boss pets before i finished off my quest cape.
so its not a 100% always true rule.

[spring cipher]

(its also why most irons go with other irons cause unless the ironman is ur friend u do feel bogged down)

[tawdry carbon]

some ppl just like pvming

and want to get to pvming quickly

and they have the mechanics to back it up

[winged sinew]

in this picture that is the requirements to do raids includes a rewards from a raid, i guess irons can never raid

[tawdry carbon]

u can see this in other games too bro

theres ppl who talk their ass off on valorant who are hard stuck diamond/ascendant
and ppl can just go in and silently use their mechanics/gamesense to immortal or higher

with 1/10th the playtime

[amber sleet]

i think they are saying for endgame raiding

[spring cipher]

ye and most people are mains and guides are made for mains irons are obviously given some sort of leeway

[amber sleet]

implying hardmodes/high invo

[spring cipher]

have u raided in wdr before

you'd know

[tacit oyster]

yes there will always be few players who have the skill to do things below required standards. general standards are just there to make things easier for the group to filter out unknown players

[tawdry carbon]

thing is i was like that and i got gatekept and had to do my first 100 tob in disorganized ass 416's

[spring cipher]

if u let them use this and that a collective downgrade will make a difference

[tawdry carbon]

then i decided to just start teaching ppl tob so id have ppl to raid with who dont grief

lmao

[spring cipher]

but again for irons it really depends on the person

[tawdry carbon]

and i never gatekept on dumb arbitrary requirements like quest acpe

ever

[livid slate]

I think if we look at the context of a Quest Cape, that is technically the very first instance of an explicitly determined goal in the game that the average player can work toward or accomplish. It shows the player can learn and work towards a specific goal.

[tawdry carbon]

if u have mechanics, and u are genuinely trying to learn, i will raid

[livid slate]

Also after that, given they now have access to everything in the game, those players tend to branch out and learn more.

[amber sleet]

why would quest cape be the first goal?

[spring cipher]

thats why discords like ironscapes exist for people who are undergeared and doesnt meet the requirements to go with mains will go

[simple marsh]

I’d even argue that the “average” player never makes it that far

[spring cipher]

yea this game is a marathon

[tawdry carbon]

so heres the thing

[livid slate]

Because it's a multi disciplined goal, it's not just do one activity, it's do several working toward a goal.

[simple marsh]

By simple merit of being in this discord, you are more invested than the ‘average’ player

[tacit oyster]

yes and how do you filter out players who are there to just leech if not set standards?

[amber sleet]

you can do all the hardest content in the game without ever getting a quest cape though

[spring cipher]

the good thing is that they can take their time /years to reach it eventually but that doesnt make them mid to late game if they havent reached that point

[livid slate]

It's the first major milestone in a typical OSRS account working towards "completion."

[amber sleet]

i don't think most people even think of getting a quest cape as a goal for them

even the people who get to endgame

[livid slate]

But most players won't do that in that order

[tawdry carbon]

u run one, if theyre not up to ur standards and dnot have interest to learn or are toxic, just dont bring them.

[amber sleet]

i disagree

by the nature of the fact that you do not need a quest cape for most of the endgame content

i think that means more people on average will get to those things without doing it

[tawdry carbon]

so heres another example i have
1 of my valorant duos, we were immortal 2/3
They 100% had gaming mechanics

they did not want to do quest cape. they wanted to pvm.

they did only the bare minimum of quests, AFK'd their combat stats while we duo trying to hit radiant
they did just fine in the raids we ran. mechanics were all there.

[winged sinew]

most people bank stand and others gold farm

[simple marsh]

oh wait is this just a dumb early/mid/late game distinction discussion

[winged sinew]

and then the rest is bots

[torpid trench]

I have never once wanted a questcape. I have gotten it multiple times on multiple accounts, including an iron, but it was always just "okay, finished that questline for this diary... holy crap Im like 10 quests from cape... welp, might as well I guess"

[winged sinew]

/s

[tawdry carbon]

they literally cleared diaries, bosses, and raids better than ppl who were 2k+ total and quest cape and better gear

cuz their mechanics were solid

gatekeeping them from pvming because they dont wanna get the quest cape is again an L take

[spring cipher]

mmm in a sense yea cause it all started from me not counting people who barely play as not part of the playerbase

[tawdry carbon]

its not like they have to solve the game. way smarter people did it.

you just need mechanics to execute

[simple marsh]

They’re the bulk of the player base

[amber sleet]

when they say barely play, they mean haven't gotten to an arbitrary point in one specific progression path btw ^

this hypothetical not player could actually have thousands of hours in the game

[tawdry carbon]

its true

path of exile i play 11 years
i place top 10 or 100 in a few race events
but i only play the first week or 2 of a league, finish my placement, peace out

[simple marsh]

The bulk of any games player base will not be on discord and discussion boards. They’re casual.

[spring cipher]

ehhh

[tawdry carbon]

my old clan leader was a gm and didnt play that much

but when they played, they played hard

playtime is a shit metric

[amber sleet]

unironically

[winged sinew]

i bank stand all day, i must be really good

[torpid trench]

This is an objective truth confirmed by dozens of game companies over and over again, there is no "ehhh"

[tawdry carbon]

u can take a player with 10k hours and sometimes their mechanics are crap. more crap than someone with 200.

[amber sleet]

i actually guaratee you

there is someone out there with more playtime than you not afk

that has not gotten a quest cape

@spring cipher

[tawdry carbon]

same

[dense forge]

Wow I love this leagues convo

[tawdry carbon]

i mean this chat devolves into this due to the gatekeeping toxics

[simple marsh]

It’s true. I play magic the gathering too, and I’m active on boards and discords. The average player is using kitchen table rules and made up decks

[tawdry carbon]

now u guysare seeing what ive been fighting for weeks

[amber sleet]

statistically speaking that is more likely to be true than not true

[torpid trench]

Wait, does getting questcape in 2010 gatekeep me from being this person?

[tacit oyster]

I still do not see how it is gatekeeping to set minimum requirements for a group in established raid discord or even for random players to join a small group of friends.

[amber sleet]

no, because you need to re-get the cape now

[tacit oyster]

People are allowed to not take players they do not want to raid with

[tawdry carbon]

im getting at quest cape being a shit requirement.

regardless of ds2/dt2

[amber sleet]

nobody is or has argued against this point one time so far in this discussion

[tawdry carbon]

u dont need quest cape to do ds2/dt2

[amber sleet]

that is not the point we are arguing on

[simple marsh]

The average player in any game ever is a casual

[spring cipher]

Mmmm making a sandwich for myself occasionally doesnt make me a chef/homecook or whatever
people who cook often and learn recipes would be considered that is how im viewing it

[torpid trench]

Cool, Ive been playing since 2006, and if you combine my total time across the half dozen or so accounts Ive had, not including my time on RS3 obviosuly, Id probably exceed 20k total hours with ease

[spring cipher]

thats how i see it anyways

[rare hollow]

hey i just want to ask something

[tawdry carbon]

and you dont need to put 10 hours a day in the kitchen to be a competent chef.
you can do 10 hours a day of your sandwich vs. someone who does 1 hour a day of real culinary art... they are more of a chef than you

[spring cipher]

yao

[rare hollow]

if i have prayer pen nodes

can i take out any crab with any style in tob

[tawdry carbon]

only if its actually prayer, its not defense pen so no

[amber sleet]

no

[torpid trench]

and yet, no quest cape since like 2010-2013ish?

[spring cipher]

nope

[rare hollow]

ah frik

[amber sleet]

nylos don't pray

[spring cipher]

wrong style will null the crab

and u cant hit it anymore irrc

[rare hollow]

they feel like grubs

[torpid trench]

it gets temp immunity

[spring cipher]

because nylos dont have prayers

[tawdry carbon]

correct and they reflect to you

wym iirc you literally gatekept tob in here earlier

[tacit oyster]

yes and you do not need any skills or quests to do cm cox, the minimum requirements are just some easy to identify things. Do you want them to list 50+ quests as requirement instead and add specific boss/content examples that have to be proven instead

[tawdry carbon]

dont iirc just say it how it is

[rare hollow]

thought i could solo my 25 tob

[spring cipher]

u cant prayer pen something that has complete immunity

[amber sleet]

you can, just bring swaps

[spring cipher]

its just how its designed

[tawdry carbon]

FoF, fire mage works well, or bring swaps

[rare hollow]

when did i gatekeep tob lol

[tawdry carbon]

not u, talking to the person who iircd an obvious answer

[rare hollow]

ah

im just in some goofball crystal shadow setup with blindbag

do entries count

[amber sleet]

no

[tawdry carbon]

Im not against minimum reqs.
Im against reqs that id argue arent the minimum. such as quest cape.

[amber sleet]

needs to be normal/hm for the 25 task

[spring cipher]

u could clear nylos with flask explode+ lithic sceptre spec as both does typeless damage
however if u lithic spectre spec something with the wrong style it doesnt deal damage to it but only stuff next to it

[toxic vortex]

failed 3rd age

[amber sleet]

if u expand it it says so

[rare hollow]

oh i have lithic yeah

[spring cipher]

so its still possible

just difficult

as long as u manage to keep one pillar alive ur good

[torpid trench]

Anyone who thinks that gatekeeping isnt a big problem should make a fresh acc, bring it up to the minimum ToB reqs, and go try to find a team

[tawdry carbon]

lithic alone w specs isnt enough to solo because you kill the blue crabs a little too fast to spread enough damage ot the others.

fire on the other hand does well.

[torpid trench]

Get back to us in 3-5y

[tacit oyster]

nothing is minimum requirement though. you can run toa with a salamander, no armor and prayer flick everything

[tawdry carbon]

this was literally me. I 416'd 100kc before anyone even talked to me.

[rare hollow]

sadly i dont have those fire nodes but tbh i can just ignore tob

[tawdry carbon]

just run with ppl.

[spring cipher]

i mean i did just that 3 years ago when people gatekept 5x harder than now

[rare hollow]

all tobbers are gae

[tawdry carbon]

unlike this chat and infamimi, ppl are actually friendly.

[spring cipher]

people actually want to teach new players more ofteh now

[tawdry carbon]

and wont bar u from joining

[spring cipher]

and it took me about a weeks worth of learning to find a consistent group

[tawdry carbon]

yeah cuz u guys gatekept everyone to the point you ran out of people to play wiht lmfao

[rare hollow]

doesnt matter

[torpid trench]

416'd?

[spring cipher]

i got void, i got dwh i got 90s in stats and 94 mage and i got into a team

[winged sinew]

lets gatekeep to make less people join

[tawdry carbon]

ffa tob world

[spring cipher]

so idk where this gatekeep is coming from

[torpid trench]

Oooh

[rare hollow]

all i gotta do is 150 shamans, dhl and 1 araxxor

[spring cipher]

like the only gatekeep is people not wanting to meet basic standards

[rare hollow]

we got 40 pacts by then

[coarse pond]

You lot think I can afk inferno with powered staves thorns without the blood fury? :S

[tawdry carbon]

u literally gatekept raids/pvm behind quest cape earlier lol

[rare hollow]

blood fury is really nice for it ngl

[tawdry carbon]

fully afk no, but mostly afk yes.

[rare hollow]

especially after blobs die into mini blobs

[dense forge]

Real, I'm skipping all the crappy stuff to get 40 pacts first

[coarse pond]

okay alright but like, just auto retaliate, watch the screen and eat if necessary?

[rare hollow]

do not auto retaliate lol

[tawdry carbon]

i dont think you can sustain zuk shield without moving once in a while w powered staff sustain.

auto retaliate is fine till last wave

[coarse pond]

Ill do zuk as normal

[tawdry carbon]

then yea

u can mostly afk

[coarse pond]

and tri jad without issue

[amber sleet]

put on tank gear and make sure you pray mage when the magers/blobs come out and u should be good

[coarse pond]

just dont wanna respec just to chill inferno + colo and then realize I don't have enough sustain

[tawdry carbon]

u can just camp it the entire time sustain should be enough to keep his prayer high

assuming his gear is decent

[coarse pond]

I have W/A currently

[rare hollow]

water ahrims

[coarse pond]

ah okok

[tacit oyster]

nothing is 100% guaranteed afk zuk, even if there are youtube click baits saying it. even max water thorns can die to zuk if you do not get reflects and zuk hits 2-4 large hits in row

[tawdry carbon]

i think he means water/air hybrid

[kind cairn]

Since increased accuracy in all combat styles is percentage based does that mean that if I have a magic bonus that is 0 or negative that I won't recieve any accuracy bonus at all?

[rare hollow]

oh that means he's just op go send it superman

[winged sinew]

zuk can hit 144

[amber sleet]

yeah you can't afk the jads/zuk obviously

but up to that point you can

[winged sinew]

i leanred that the hard way

[simple marsh]

V funny example, as someone who cooks for a living. There’s different levels of engagement, certainly. But anyone who cooks in any capacity is still cooking.

[rare hollow]

gahdamn

[tawdry carbon]

you can afk the jads

[coarse pond]

Got bandos gear accursed sceptre a shield and armadyl helm for now

[winged sinew]

well i wanted to see what he would hit

[spring cipher]

yea i tried it out and it doesnt let u full afk cause with thorn afk build u dont heal nearly enough

[rare hollow]

you have not seen my roommate

well ex-roommate

fk that fool

[amber sleet]

i mean you can but you're definitely allowing for chances to die by doing that

[spring cipher]

ye but i view it in the same way like
"yea best i can cook is instant noodles lol im not a cook"

xd

[tawdry carbon]

pure time investment isnt a tried and true discussion tho
my point i made earlier which 1:1 applies to osrs

your 10 terrible gameplay hours <<< someone competent's 1 gameplay hour

[rare hollow]

hold on i need to read

[tawdry carbon]

(not saying youre terrible, just saying)

for ex you spend 20 extra hours finalizing your quest cape before raiding..
vs someone who has the stats and puts in 20 hours into raiding
they will be more competent at that content than you, regardless of your quest cape.

[rare hollow]

yeah fair point

[static arch]

How annoying is Phosani with Water/Thorns?

[spring cipher]

i just see it as
"doesnt really cook" instant noodles, scrambled eggs anything u can microwave
"casually cooks" makes food , follows recipes, makes food for friends or family here and there
and then the "sweaty cooks" people who cook for real at restaurants and works through a shift

xd

idk if that gets my point across

[tawdry carbon]

probably not horrible just slower?

i did it with blidnbag

[rare hollow]

sweaty cook = chef

[spring cipher]

but thats the comparison im tryin to make

exactly

[rare hollow]

pnm is always annoying

[tawdry carbon]

u dont have to cook at a restaurant to be a good chef.

[static arch]

Figuring maybe you can just tank the big hits half the time if you heal enough

[tawdry carbon]

someone i know is a private cook for rich ppl in LA and just cooks their dinners to restaurant standards

[rare hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bear-carmen-berzatto-carmy-jeremy-allen-white-jaw-gif-13487111760924528729

[amber sleet]

i think your assessement here is much more realistic, and isn't really even close to the way you applied the same definitions to osrs players

[tawdry carbon]

so the time they spend isnt an entire night shift at a kitchen. its prep for a family's 3 meals

[amber sleet]

also, if you had even actually given a proper explanation of what you meant at all, you would have done a lot better

[tawdry carbon]

but they 100% can fit into any michelin restuarant if they wanted to

at least from a cooking aptitude perspective, actual food rush is another story cuz its more logistical/organizing/teamwork

[tawdry carbon]

it also contradicts their own example because quest cape could fit both a sweaty osrs player and a casual one lmao

[coarse pond]

you reckon these defenses are decent enough for inf + colo with the powered staff thorns build?

[simple marsh]

They’re all cooking though. With different levels of commitment and intensity, for sure, but still.

[rare hollow]

i did it with less

send it

have u done colo in maingame

[coarse pond]

nope

[spring cipher]

its just how i view it lol

[rare hollow]

ok

do you know how to flick prayers

[coarse pond]

did to wave 10 last night with kbd crossbow

[tawdry carbon]

u just need to know what can stack you out

[rare hollow]

manticores

[tawdry carbon]

u dont need any of the maingame solves imo

[coarse pond]

then didn't see the manticore so I died

[spring cipher]

like i dont cook at all, if i made a pb and j sandwich a week ago that doesnt make me a cook xd

but you cook as your job/career

[coarse pond]

yeah manticores aren't a problem as long as I see them

[spring cipher]

so you're a cook/chef

[rare hollow]

yeah manticores will tear u lol but you'll learn them fast

[tawdry carbon]

gzzz i gotta add mine

id argue manticores are easiest to learn bceause their pacing is actually intuitive

[coarse pond]

I had the double hits on them but I mean I didn't miss a flick on all the ones I did see

[rare hollow]

true

[coarse pond]

I went north side and apparently that's bad

[rare hollow]

i think one got him outside his view

oh yeah that is bad

[tawdry carbon]

a lot of old pvm content is like playing a rhythm game in slow motion

the fact its slower/more forgiving actually makes it harder for peopl ewho actually have mechanics

lol

[rare hollow]

the most annoying mob in colo is that ranger dude

stop checking my tiles

[tawdry carbon]

the jav chuckers?

[rare hollow]

yeh

[tawdry carbon]

i love em

[rare hollow]

double shockers for you

[amber sleet]

okay, if you cooked a meal for people once every 1-3 days, would you consider yourself a casual home cook then?

[simple marsh]

Maybe a better differentiation would be making food vs cooking. Everyone who plays RS is making food, but not everyone is cooking.

[spring cipher]

hmm

thats a good point

[tacit oyster]

I love flask of fervour for colosseum. wave 11 "solve" run into everything and pop flask for 20sec wave clear

[rare hollow]

you will get a double south spawn and they will be not be humble

oh i keep forgetting about my flask

i did a lot of content without it

returning to content with it now i just lose track of it

[spring cipher]

well thats why when i said "playing playing" in quotations that was what i was getting at

lol

[rare hollow]

imo flask has to be the best t8

[simple marsh]

I’m missing messages cause I’m at work, sorry

[rare hollow]

minion is a close 2nd

[tawdry carbon]

flask is best but minion is cutest

[rare hollow]

and axe is just garbage

[tawdry carbon]

flask>axe>minion imo

Axe in hmt is cozy af

[amber sleet]

axe is nice at tob

[rare hollow]

what if i didnt do tob

[amber sleet]

then u dont want axe

[tawdry carbon]

if u dont do any raids, axe is dog

[rare hollow]

see

yeah lol fair points all around

[tacit oyster]

i see people spamming axe on bosses trying to get most out of it and just missing out on 1-4 hits because of it

[spring cipher]

anyways Defont ill leave ya to that i wont bother ya at work

[simple marsh]

I’m just partaking in particular, because I, by your original standards, likely wouldn’t be considered playing playing

[tawdry carbon]

same here

[amber sleet]

most people wouldn't be

[simple marsh]

I’m done in 15 minutes, haha

[tawdry carbon]

according to infamimi i dont play this game at all

[amber sleet]

i don't even think most people in this discord would be

[tawdry carbon]

🤣

[spring cipher]

i have alot of respect for people who work in kitchens/restaurants

[tawdry carbon]

cause i cant butter a potato lmao

[spring cipher]

that shit is brutal

[rare hollow]

fk me lad

buttering a potato top endgame content

[tawdry carbon]

right

lmao

like bro do you know when the last time i buttered a potato in a solo CM was?

but taht goes back to my original point

people can play 2000 hours it might not equal someone else's 5 hours

which is why the level of gatekeeping and arbitrary standards this server tries to set to lock people behind even attempting content is obscene

[spring cipher]

but dont u have gm quests completed and whatnot that would make u technically actively playing enough to be considered
i was mostly weeding out people nightmare zone/gemcrab afkers no quest done no rfd, no gm quest done, none of the essentials

[tawdry carbon]

you can absolutely cox without a lightbearer like what

lol

[spring cipher]

the end game is to make the best potato

[simple marsh]

I’m somewhere in the middle there. 2050 total iron, but I still have most of the ‘major’ quests to do

[rare hollow]

i know a guy with 4 tbows in his name

[spring cipher]

then thats playing playing

[rare hollow]

no ds2, no sotf

idk whats going in his mind

sends cms all day

[spring cipher]

head empty , wallet full, mind happy

tho thats wild

that many runs and no assembler

[simple marsh]

It’s also taken me 6ish years. I started my ironman after Twisted Leagues

[rare hollow]

and he's doing all the work at olm skippin n shit, all this on mobile

when you're rich like him, quests dont mean much ig lol

[tawdry carbon]

yeah but according to infamimi they should have been barred from raiding

bet they have more cm kc too

[rare hollow]

let me check

[spring cipher]

yea but u can see visible progress
quest cape being mid game is just a much easier checkpoint to set it at
ironmen also run on different timers cause that gamemode takes way longer lol

[tawdry carbon]

also pvming on mobile isnt as hard as you think

[rare hollow]

154 cms

[tawdry carbon]

i do a lot of pvm on mobile

[rare hollow]

tho he does have 760 normals

[simple marsh]

I get ya. I just don’t think people like being told they’re not “playing playin” because they enjoy interacting with different content than someone at a different intensity. It comes off as pompous or condescending

[tacit oyster]

yet he is refusing to spend some time to fill the requirements a large raid discord has and wants them to make exception

[tawdry carbon]

well now u see what ive been fighting this whole time defont

[tawdry carbon]

peer pressure is a poor argument against correctness as well imo

[simple marsh]

I prefer not to think of it as a fight. Too aggressively charged

[tawdry carbon]

im never gonna say no you cant join my raid because u arent wearing a lightbearer or have a quest cape

[tawdry carbon]

i can respect that stance but im a believer of the tolerance paradox
ignorant negative gatekeeping u gotta meet with a similar level of energy

thats just me tho

sure, its optimal

it doesnt mean you should be banned

its that type of attitude that prevents any game community from growing

[tacit oyster]

you are free to do learner raids all you want. most of the raid discords also allow learner/normal raids without the requirements, you just cannot enter the "matchmaking" that is specifically for players who have all the requirements filled

[tawdry carbon]

thats fine then

the point im getting at is the perspective "you are not playing osrs. you are not a raider. you cannot raid unless you do <arbitrary requirement that i as someone who has done a lot of pvm does not view as a hard req>"

is a L take

[spring cipher]

a lil bit but im going by technicality lol

[simple marsh]

I’d counter this by saying I probably made more headway on giving them something to think about and chew over than any amount of aggressive retaliation

[tawdry carbon]

i mean by the standards set by this server

one of my friends without quest cape

isnt a "pvmer" lol

[simple marsh]

goomba fallacy

[tawdry carbon]

although i always memed on him for that dogwater cg kc

[static arch]

Does the melee-only Jad III challenge fail if you mage/range the nibblers, or only if you mage/range Jad?

[rare hollow]

8 doom kc doe

[tawdry carbon]

right

[rare hollow]

he's got some skill

[tawdry carbon]

but he doesnt have quest cape

so he doesnt play osrs?

hes not eligible to raid?

[spring cipher]

i suppose i wouldnt be offended if u told me i dont cook at all and id be like "hell yea i only can make instant noodles"

"yea you right chef"

[rare hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bear-tv-show-jeremy-allen-white-scrubbing-the-floor-gif-8781119868316163029

[simple marsh]

Respectfully, your statement comes across more along the lines of ‘you can’t feed yourself’

If that makes sense

[tawdry carbon]

one of my other friends, missing a quest or 2 iirc
also "not a pvmer, cant raid, shouldnt be allowed in"

like come on lol

[spring cipher]

if i baked cakes or cooked dishes at home and i looked up stuff to make and id go "excuse me but i cook occasionally"

hmm

well it wasnt meant for that lol

at least what i wanted to say wasnt going for that angle

[rare hollow]

3287 deep delves

is he ok

[simple marsh]

Yeah I don’t think there was any malicious intent

[slim glen]

hi there im new in this server, im looking for the scritic route that match the leagues planner build W/D/A, does any have it?
im like at 14k points but wanna speed up cause is my second char

[peak crypt]

I need to skull for rev caves. Is there a specific world that the emblem trader is in on the rev caves

[ruby lion]

in every world

[smoky raft]

ah shit

I have to do math

[peak crypt]

I'm a bit unfamiliar with it. Just got some advice to go do it. Where is he in the cave? I can't find anything on the wiki about location in it

[ruby lion]

roams the cave, could be anywhere

[spring cipher]

[[emblem trader]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Emblem_Trader

[simple marsh]

I hope what I’m saying makes sense. I don’t think your pov is inherently wrong, just that the delivery could maybe use some work

[peak crypt]

Yeah I have the wiki pulled up... Just says he roams the rev caves. But not where in there

[spring cipher]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Emblem_Trader#Revenant_Caves

i think his wander range

is huge

[spring cipher]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900966887251402805/1375202769555820665/1.1x.webp

[peak crypt]

Thanks

[spring cipher]

sometimes ill be in rev caves and go

[tawdry carbon]

good luck geting them to agree

[spring cipher]

"oh hey emblem trader why are you here"

[tawdry carbon]

we seem to want to ban anti-gatekeepers here..

[simple marsh]

Anyway, all that said, I’m gonna have to send some blind Cox during this leagues

[tawdry carbon]

if i had Z i'd send em with you 😭

[simple marsh]

What do y’all eager my odds are

[spring cipher]

just go for it

well

tbh id 100% recommend skipping to do cms

cause ur odds at purple is far better

i did like 9 cox reg runs with friends in leagues and we saw 1 purple for one of us in 9 runs

with cms u see it like every raid basically

[simple marsh]

I’m planning on going in near completely blind. No idea about the majority of mechanics besides tangential information from content creators

[spring cipher]

eugh thats gonna be rough the only advice is

[gentle rune]

Infamimi did you do normal cox run w 1 person

[spring cipher]

phase 3 (the phase before final phase) u need to kill both hands at the same time otherwise the hands will respawn

[simple marsh]

I’m fucked

It’s soooo much more fun trying to piece shit together yourself though, imo

At least in the beginning

[tacit oyster]

meta in league is to hit someone and insta hop worlds

[gentle rune]

Defontino can i do cox w you tho

[kind cairn]

Is there a delve level that I am guranteed rare loot on? I heard you can get avernics/confliction gauntlets at delve 4+ but i'm up to like level 15 and still nothing

[tacit oyster]

if they get oneshot its their fault for being weak

[simple marsh]

As long as you don’t mind my likely many deaths

[spring cipher]

it is but human beings like things solved for them and will rather watch guides, a lot of people dont take too kindly to completely blind attempts

[gentle rune]

Ok worlds

[simple marsh]

Bustr Bluth in game, I’ll be on later

[peak crypt]

Yeah I'm not a pk-er any what so ever so I'm a fish out of water rn lol

[simple marsh]

Out of curiosity, hiscores me @spring cipher and lmk where you think I’d be at playability wise lmfaoooo

[spring cipher]

well everyone learns at their own pace

so its hard for me to say

and idk if pea has main game exp or just leagues exp

[simple marsh]

For shits and gigs

[spring cipher]

and then theres the whole "do u wanna brute force this or learn it the normal way"

[simple marsh]

Brute force but attempting mechanics

[spring cipher]

learning the methods means skipping the mechanics

theres a method called skipping

[simple marsh]

I’m nowhere near Cox ready in maingame anyway

[spring cipher]

where u have to position in a way where u can have one guy skip the mechanics and prevent it from happening

hence there wont be any mechanics/specials to deal with

but that is the mechanic

or brute force and tank all the specials

its kinda hard to explain unless you finally get in there to learn it

[smoky raft]

man I didn't even need to look up an echo amox guide

[spring cipher]

leagues doesnt require properly learning it tho

[smoky raft]

thorns and minion took care of her before I could tell what was going on

[gentle rune]

I have main game experience

[simple marsh]

I’d describe my leagues playstyle as “cheesing it, but trying to learn mechanics to take back in to maingame”

[spring cipher]

okay so pea will give you proper advice

[gentle rune]

I mean i would just do it solo for the sake of having ppl w me

[bronze tangle]

Anyone got any good tips/guides for solo toa? Never done it before (at all). KB/Water build, w/z/d. Planning on doing it with eclipse armour.

[short cave]

my strategy for herb rn is super attack crafting w butler bell to give me irit potion but that gets me to 9m. i can get around 1.5m from butlers exp gain. how do i get the final 2.5m to 13m?

[hazy anvil]

plant herbs and gather secondaries?

[tacit oyster]

you could make the butler bring you herbs instead and make the unf potions yourself. he brings half the amount if he has to process them

[short cave]

yeah but lose the xp gain

[jovial tiger]

which should i lamp?
I have no relics for herblore or hunter

[short cave]

herbs also not a problem, the secondaries are the issue

[gentle rune]

Does the range echo fires as a normal hit or does the passive effect also applies

[placid creek]

struggling to find good crafting exp without thieving relic

[short cave]

do u have priff?

[spring cipher]

that..... well
after doing hmt with leaguers i can confirm after wiping 6 times in a row they dont know the mechanics anyways lol again im only basing it off my own experience

[tacit oyster]

they take your weapons normal max hit and use that as 0-max without any other effects

[toxic vortex]

definitely not construction

[hazy anvil]

imo herblore. You could AFK chop logs and sawmill them, but it will cost money. Hunter is just rumors

[gentle rune]

So demonic pacts also applies since it increases your min max hit

[placid creek]

I do, but I thought I either needed infinite gold or thieving relic for it

[tacit oyster]

like if you get crossbow bolt proc the ranged echo will not factor the bolt effect

[tacit oyster]

not sure about the bow pact for min/max hit. should work at least for max hit since the crossbow pact for +70% damage works on echo. though echoes from crossbow are not guaranteed to max hit either

[gentle rune]

It should

[simple marsh]

Valid. I use these to attempt content I can’t actually do yet, but also try not to build bad habits in the meantime

[spring cipher]

i think you should treat it like having to relearn completely if u were to learn it main game

and just have fun in leagues

thats my take on it

leagues arent supposed to be stressful

u can stress urself learning it later

[simple marsh]

I definitely do that with some of the super late stuff I’m not near

[spring cipher]

just click the boss and watch him explode

tactical nuke him

[simple marsh]

But I also use it to learn stuff with extra pillowing, like prayer and weapon switches for CG

[gentle rune]

Tbow is where you start playing the game so get it quick

[placid creek]

I like using leagues to learn bosses so I can kill them easier in main next league

[rare hollow]

there is no guaranteed delve

[old tapir]

does anybody have a clip of them doing a p1 sire kill

i am curious

[spring cipher]

it doesnt exist however jagex did confirm that deep delves are bugged so ur best bet at rolling drops in leagues is doing 1-8

[rare hollow]

iirc one of the delve wr attempts in maingame never even got 1 unique in his entire run

[spring cipher]

yea cause its bugged

[rare hollow]

deep delves arent bugged lol its just some myth

[spring cipher]

someone confirmed it with jmods

[rare hollow]

ive seen drops at 14 and 15 before

[bronze tangle]

Also solo cox before toa?

[simple marsh]

I also try out content I didn’t think I could do maingame in leagues

[spring cipher]

the bug isnt that u dont get drops, the bug is that the drop rate boost ur supposed to get isnt given

[tacit oyster]

looking at wiki dps calc the minimum hit of ranged echoes on bow does increase if you have stacks

[spring cipher]

so it feels kinda weak

[simple marsh]

Like, I never touched Doom until this league, and now I’m relatively certain I could at least send some shallow delves on maingame

[rare hollow]

i think it just stays at a static 7 is my best guess at whats going on in deep delves

[simple marsh]

Still a long way off 8s, but still

[rare hollow]

jmods dont bother to fix because it can affect delve unique prices

[spring cipher]

8 was brutal to learn and i learned in max gear

[rare hollow]

so they just leave it as it is

[spring cipher]

i remember finally hitting delve 8 after 1 week and im like

"oh my god what the fuck is that"

and then exploded

cause i prayed first ball explode too early

[simple marsh]

Yeah, I’m relatively certain I could probably do like 3-5’s in maingame if I put my nose to the grindstone

[spring cipher]

i think anyone can push all the way up to 6 at least

[rare hollow]

7

[spring cipher]

or even 7 yea

but 8 is a different story

[simple marsh]

Respectfully, you’re biased by your own ability lmao

[rare hollow]

8 is where you hit the wall

and after that delve is basically done with new mechanics

enjoy dealing with all the acid piss in the arena

[spring cipher]

6 is like dt2 boss tier

but past that i think it does get alot harder

[late helm]

I tried echo amox very early on with like 3 demonic pacts. A lot of the echo bosses actually have really cool mechanics but a lot of people brute force them after they have a strong build and don’t really get to appreciate a challenging fight

[simple marsh]

Which is a considerable challenge for the average player

And that’s just for the quest kills

[rare hollow]

if there were no prayer pen nodes and people did echo cg

youd see a different story

the most engaging fight in leagues imo

if u dont cheese it

[simple marsh]

I wouldn’t even look twice at echo hun without prayer pen

[late helm]

You can get some decent supplies from some bossing but without thieving, it is a more tedious solve at places like Aldarin gem shop

[simple marsh]

Wayyyy beyond my skill level

[rare hollow]

did that shit with melee get gud

[tacit oyster]

run into echo amoxliatl with maxed crossbow and 2 shot it before any mechanics

[simple marsh]

I’m ass bro

[rare hollow]

good thing im an ass guy

dap me up

[pulsar oriole]

😂

[simple marsh]

But I’m also annoyingly determined

[rare hollow]

i specifically made my build just overtuned enough to make more mistakes at bossing

[late helm]

It definitely is a fun fight, just not a fight I want to grind and potentially go dry at

[rare hollow]

but not enough to shut down basic functions

[pulsar oriole]

Echo cg probably the hardest echo boss if u dont have many pacts

[rare hollow]

cuz i want to learn some fights

learnt pnm

now i have to learn awakened vard

he's going to tear 5 new holes in me

[placid creek]

yeah, currently cutting 90 inventories of rubies at toci

[late helm]

I found echo thermy pretty challenging at the start

[tacit oyster]

I ran at echo amoxliatl with ham joint and blindbag build, then i noticed every weapon is same tick in last phase and i was just nerfing myself for around 20kc

[late helm]

Without healing, you have to be pretty consistent with good timing

[simple marsh]

For whatever reason, I actually find prayers and movement mechanics easiest to learn

[spring cipher]

maybe its some sort of dissonance cause cause im happy with my delve 10 clear and i see friends go “wow delve 25 is so free, free if human” as a joke

[toxic vortex]

i didn't have to stick around for long

[rare hollow]

the ham was critical for the blindbag stack

[spring cipher]

i am by far the worst player among friends

[simple marsh]

I can’t gear switch to save my life

[late helm]

I had a similar loot table - you were close to 50 kc anyways

[toxic vortex]

but thats combined between normal + echo

[simple marsh]

From my perspective and skill? You’re the worst ball player in the nba

still in the nba tho

[placid creek]

I can't wait to get my ham for blindbag ham ranged

[late helm]

Ooooh I had to get all 50 kc haha

I am kinda annoyed how long arraxor takes in Leagues tho… like I don’t want to grind him for 500kc

[spring cipher]

you should see me bossing i struggle alot

[toxic vortex]

I'm at 200kc for rax

I just need the last hally piece

[smoky raft]

ok so as some of you know, I am the worlds number one earth mage fan

I am earth mage ride or die

[placid creek]

I'm stuck on slayer because I took a 5kc Vardovis task lol

[late helm]

I’m at 320 or so I think with only 1 piece and 2 heads lol

[smoky raft]

turns out! one of the earth mage pacts is lying in its description and is actually better than it says it is

[toxic vortex]

i have 2 pieces, 2 rancour, 4 heads, and a jar of venom

[late helm]

Wtf?!

[rare hollow]

he said the thing

[kind cairn]

bugged how?

[rare hollow]

forehead

[tacit oyster]

i made zcb build just to find out the zcb spec prevents ranged echoes from spawning, still regens bolts normally just cannot do echoes

[smoky raft]

this pact right here, specifically

it doesn't cap at 20% of your base Defence level. It caps at 20% of your boosted Defence level

[tacit oyster]

have to acb as spec weapon or just not spec at all for optimal dps

[smoky raft]

my current max def level (achievable after 3 attacks, or 9 ticks of combat) is 172

[rare hollow]

so wait

its calculating after the passive def pact boosts?

[smoky raft]

keep in mind: for every 12 pacts, I get 2 flat damage (1 for each shadowflame projectile)

[smoky raft]

yes!

[scenic garden]

that's insane

[rare hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[smoky raft]

the rock business is BOOMIN

[toxic vortex]

I'm still doing clues, trying to get my last zammy item

[late helm]

This is tilting

[toxic vortex]

I still dont have the hally

[spring cipher]

basically deep delves have worse odds for loot somehow

[late helm]

I have 1 piece at 320 kc 😭

[scenic garden]

if you have kandarin, and haven't done so already, the mages outside the ourania altar place drop robes that count as zammy items

[toxic vortex]

first thing I did

cant use duplicate items

[spring cipher]

big smoke’s order?

[smoky raft]

this also means that, with all the passive def level pacts, and the eart regen pact procced, your visible def level will be 190, or a +30 to both min and max hit

[late helm]

Ooooh is that like 2 uniques?

[toxic vortex]

yes

[tacit oyster]

My main game araxxor log

[pulsar oriole]

That sucks lol

[late helm]

Oof

[scenic garden]

ye, top and bottom

so you only need 3 clue items after that

[smoky raft]

(you can also skip one of the minor def pacts, hitting 184 visible def and still getting the +30 threshold)

[toxic vortex]

yeah and I'm really struggling on that third

[smoky raft]

prayair aint got SHIT on me

[toxic vortex]

15 easy, 35 medium, 32 hard, 2 elite, and 2 masters

2 zammy items

[scenic garden]

I guess I got lucky cause I had a zammy robe bottom early, got coif from a few mediums, then remembered I had a zammy blessing on

[smoky raft]

unholy symbol?

[scenic garden]

oh that too

[smoky raft]

can be crafted in Kandarin after completing Observatory Quest

takes like 10 minutes

[scenic garden]

think you can buy the mould for that?

[toxic vortex]

yeah but I have to do that quest first

I figured clues would be easier

and I need the clogs anyway

[smoky raft]

fair enough

[sharp sparrow]

Hey all, I picked wildy for first area, was planning on picking tirannwyn for second, is there an option thats easy/quicker? I probably will burn out and quit if tirranwyn locks me in anyway haha

[regal spindle]

Is the meta for 99 fletching still to buy arrowheads at range guild?

[simple marsh]

If you have asg, you can also use the heraldic helms

From sir renitee

[smoky raft]

I have kandarin and wildy so I just did

• zammy cape
• zammy cape 2
• zammy staff
• robe top
• robe bottom

[toxic vortex]

I do not

[spring cipher]

well u can prob brute force it now

[toxic vortex]

if you have culling spree you can buy the task storage unlock for freee

store the vard task

get a new one

[regal spindle]

Is the meta for 99 fletching still to buy arrowheads at range guild?

[toxic vortex]

It is a meta

[regal spindle]

What else is good and abuses the instant processing

[spring cipher]

hows valetotems

seems chiller to vale

[marsh haven]

is it a bug?

[spring cipher]

even if worse xp

[toxic vortex]

are you including virtual levels?

[marsh haven]

ah

[spring cipher]

virtual levels?

o ye

[regal spindle]

Why would anyone do vale totems aside from tasks when relic gives instant processing

[toxic vortex]

not everyone took woodsman

[spring cipher]

oh woodsmen then yea

[toxic vortex]

closing in on 200 clog slots

[spring cipher]

i didnt follow the meta for that one

[static arch]

Can you boost slayer to get tasks above your level, or only to kill monsters that don't require the task?

[toxic vortex]

Only to kill what doesn't need a task to kill

[static arch]

Thanks

[toxic vortex]

The only real exception to that piece is cerberus

you only need like 88 slay for hellhounds or whatever, so you can boost to kill cerb

[tacit oyster]

also araxxor if you get spider task from turael

[toxic vortex]

at least I get to chop with my new axe

[late helm]

You get some pretty easy points at vale totems. Tons actually

[tacit oyster]

you do need to do quite a lot of vale totems to get the 10k capacity spool and all other uniques

[regal spindle]

Thatd be why i mentioned tasks lol

[tacit oyster]

for most vale offerings might be best way to get the high tier tree seed from nest too

[late helm]

Some people like to run around instead? Tasks is a big reason to do it tho lol and you might get around 90 fletching from just completing your tasks

[regal spindle]

Been trying to avoid vale because i got 99 woodcutting afk, dropping all logs and now i need logs

[late helm]

Do you have transmute?

[regal spindle]

Ya

[late helm]

You can cut teaks willows or oaks or something and transmute them for vale totems

[simple marsh]

just go afk willows/maples for an hour

[lone bloom]

does echo hunllef count for gc kc

[simple marsh]

Yea

Also speed runs

[scenic garden]

that sounds like a terrible idea when there are 3 other skills that depend on woodcutting and you're an ironman lol

[lone bloom]

cool so i can just kill 50 echo hunllefs since its free afk kills

[scenic garden]

4 if you count early range weapons

[simple marsh]

that’s what i did for 50 amox kills early going dry on the infernals

[modern ginkgo]

Someone do echo cerb for me please lmao

Still struggling proving how bad I am

[scenic garden]

how is hunllef "free afk kills"? at minimum you need to prayer swap and dodge tornados to not rip immediately, and that's with 1t staff healing

[late helm]

You could probably get enough logs with the barb thing or endless harvest in 30 minutes to greenlog vale totems

[regal spindle]

Not really. Relic auto burned all the logs actually, to 99 fm

[late helm]

Osrs definition of afk

[scenic garden]

that's the farthest thing from the definition of afk 🤨

[late helm]

I’ve seen people describe worse as afk when it comes to RuneScape, but yeah it definitely isn’t afk

[tacit oyster]

I still remember everyone calling zulrah afk moneymaker

[lone bloom]

zulrah is afk

[scenic garden]

zulrah is definitely close enough to afk

turn on prayers and hit him, just need to move and swap prayers when he moves. pretty safe fight.

[late helm]

I find mage Yama more chill than zulrah

And like 3x as profitable

[amber sleet]

only thing i hate about zulrah is that she can smoke you through mage pray during mage phase because she can just decide to range u like 5x

[scenic garden]

?

[amber sleet]

otherwise it's a very chill fight

[scenic garden]

that's never happened to me

even on main game

[amber sleet]

i don't believe u

it happens so often theres no way it hasnt

unless u never kill zulrah

[scenic garden]

did you get smoked by snakelings?

[amber sleet]

no

she can range during mage phase

[tacit oyster]

zulrah has range phase and 2nd range phase, there is no mage phase

[amber sleet]

the times where i see zulrah only mage during a mage phase are like 1/10 compared to the times she shoots at least 1 range at me during a mage phase

[spring cipher]

really? as someone whos done 3000 kc there vs 7000 kc at zulrah i think yama is def more mundane lol

oh in leagues

i tabbed to the wrong channel

[amber sleet]

just for additional proof even though I know for like 1000% certain i was not insane

[scenic garden]

I guess I've just never gotten rekt by it

[next dust]

top and bottom from the same kill?

[late helm]

I thought that was the jad phase

[spring cipher]

its telling you to be a mage

it speaks to you

jad phase is always green but you might as well call blue phase jad phase

[amber sleet]

you could call it jad phase in that she does both styles of attack

but you can't predict them like jad phase so its impossible to avoid the damage consistently

[spring cipher]

thats why blue phase i call it the "fuck you phase" cause zulrah goes "fuck you i win"

"pray this!"

[lone bloom]

getting 1 minute echo hunllef kills nb

consistently too

[tacit oyster]

been afking this account on the side, all 99 skills are at 50m xp, thieving 200m

[tawdry carbon]

AYYYYYY

[amber sleet]

show kc

i need to know if spooned so i can decide if i hate you or not

[tawdry carbon]

from chewed bones

[amber sleet]

wtf

[tawdry carbon]

dfs is another 400 pointer tho

[kind cairn]

hmmm I can't seem to attack vardorvis for some reason anyone have any idea why?

[late helm]

Does he attack you?

[kind cairn]

no

[spring cipher]

what weapon do u have

[late helm]

So you can’t initiate the fight you mean?

[kind cairn]

staff

[tacit oyster]

magic cannot hit it first hit i think

[spring cipher]

what kind of staff

[spring cipher]

if u shoot it with magic enough times he does activate

[kind cairn]

shadowflame quadrant

[spring cipher]

do u have runes

[kind cairn]

yes

[spring cipher]

did u set a spell for it

[kind cairn]

i am shooting spells at hjim

he is not activating

[late helm]

What if you kick him?

[spring cipher]

u need to melee him once to activate him or shoot him 25 times with magic

[late helm]

Kick him in the balls

[spring cipher]

to activate him

[tacit oyster]

i guess he has high magic defence so you splash a lot. have to hit him to start fight, ranged always hits 0 1st hit

[spring cipher]

normally vard doesnt really activate outside of getting meleed first to start the fight

[livid slate]

You have to melee vard at the start

Only bypass is using minion and it defaults to melee as his weakness and hits for you

But that rarely happens

[spring cipher]

i also found out that u can spam mage at it til it activates but its way slower

[livid slate]

That chance must be so low lmao

[spring cipher]

its like a good 5 seconds

of surging lol

vs instantly if u punch it

[past birch]

You can range too. Hits for zero but at least wakes him up

[livid slate]

I see I see

[late helm]

I always kick him in the balls to initiate the fight

[near bison]

someone bless me so i dont take 75 to get this dumb top

[tacit oyster]

i just dwh spec vardovis 1st hit since defence reduction helps and deals damage while waking him up, i guess mage users wouldnt really care about defence reduction though

[queen fable]

Do eclipse only

[past birch]

Just as his head is in a root separated from his body, his balls are somewhere in the forest

[near bison]

i'm 50 in a row eclipse only 🥲

well at 30 i did a duo blood and eclipse for the helm

then back to eclipse only

[queen fable]

Rip. I went 442 main game to get all eclipse only on my iron, it's rough mate

[late helm]

You don’t know, do you?

[near bison]

riiip

[lone bloom]

dupe enhanced crystal weapon seed

i need the armour seeds -.-

[next dust]

rip. i dont have morytania

cant use this

[late helm]

Keep going master chief

[rare hollow]

how did u acquire bonecrusher neck

[austere mirage]

I was just chilling before I went bed
Brain: if you get 3 levels in something you will get larcany and be able to auto steal while at work
Me: ahhh fuck

[summer verge]

What are some interesting goals to shoot for after unlocking my zones + relics? I'm sorta bad at bossing, but figure I should go for a ToB completion at least

[austere mirage]

I now have 219 coin pouches on me

*240

[summer verge]

It caps at 280

[spring cipher]

hydra drops it whole

[austere mirage]

Apparently larcany increases clue scroll drop when pick pocketing, with my clue scroll perk....

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[spring cipher]

meanwhile you finally get larceny and ur auto thieving a gemstall
me a non larceny user grabs the gem once and stops your actions

[sharp sparrow]

better second area, elves or kandarin?

have wildy rn

[summer verge]

If you can do echo hunlef, go prif

get your crystal armor

[thorn marsh]

Are there any decanters for potions anywhere to consolidate doses anywhere, or is the NPC at the Grand Exchange the only person whomst does that..?

[spring cipher]

yep

you are right

[thorn marsh]

Oof..

[spring cipher]

thats the only decanter

[thorn marsh]

Looks like I'm dropping all these prayer potions I'm stacking up from maniacal monkeys.. No fucking chance I'm going to bother to decant nearly 1,000 1-dose potions by the time I'm done training Ranged to 50M..

[austere mirage]

That's fine I will be in people's pockets more, I want them scrolls

[spring cipher]

no no u keep the 1 doses in ur bank

and then sip them whenever u need to refill 2 prayer points to top it off

🤣

[thorn marsh]

I've got the pact to regen 2 Prayer points whenevs I get hit for 0.. I'm never low on prayer..

[spring cipher]

i see

then yea its useless

[thorn marsh]

I'm 1t Trident with water/air regen and thorns and whatnot.. I don't even bother bringing food or prayer pots for almost anything..

[toxic vortex]

I'd consider getting the chug jug actually

[thorn marsh]

I'll get the chug jug at some point just for the leagues task..

I haven't done my Mixology grind yet..

[tacit oyster]

desert has decanter, otherwise better get potion storage

[thorn marsh]

Can you decant potions from the storage menu..? I've never gotten it before..

[tacit oyster]

you can right click the potion icon to change dose

[thorn marsh]

That's extremely useful..

Gods, I need to get that in the main game too..

If nothing else than to free up bank space..

It takes so much space to leave four placeholders for every potion to keep them organized because I'm too lazy to decant everything every time I bank for any reason..

[formal gulch]

I've heard negative things about the potion storage so I'm never gonna touch it.

Close-mindedness ftw.

[amber sleet]

what's wrong with potion storage?

[tacit oyster]

it used to be very buggy on release, now its fine. Bank layouts plugin can even pull potions from storage now

[formal gulch]

Good question.

[thorn marsh]

Between the boosted points and the near-infinite Unfinished Potions I have stacked up from my butler, I suppose Leagues is a great chance to see how Potion Storage works..

[amber sleet]

i didnt even realize it was a thing until this league

[thorn marsh]

Even if it isn't actually a leagues task..

[amber sleet]

and now i'm wondering why i never got it on main

it's so nice

[thorn marsh]

I've never even been to Varlamore yet in the main game, so there was a lot of new shit for me to learn about here..

[merry sphinx]

wildy alter afk offering bones

[formal gulch]

How do Barbarian Assault?

[near magnet]

can i check current hunter rumor without going to the guild?

[merry sphinx]

if you have the quetzal whistle

[toxic vortex]

^

[thorn marsh]

Are rumors a good way to get Hunter exp, or should I just do enough to get enough feed to build all the landing zones and then just do chins to 99..?

[tacit oyster]

whistle has option to check rumour, rumours plugin would probably remember it too

[tawdry carbon]

why do i see everyone wearing a DFS?

[merry sphinx]

50 rumours is a task i think

[amber sleet]

because it's thorns bis aside from dinhs

[tawdry carbon]

50 rumours is a task

[merry sphinx]

i got to 99 in like 2 hours doing rumours

[tawdry carbon]

my wife got quetzin on her like 80th rumor

she just likes rumors lol

[thorn marsh]

At the rate I'm getting Quetzl food, I'll have 50 rumors before I get all the feed I need.. ;_;

[tawdry carbon]

yep thats how it goes

[austere mirage]

Who is the best targets to pickpocket for clue scrolls in varlamore? Im semi area locked till I've finished hunter rumours

[amber sleet]

that's normal

[thorn marsh]

What tier scrolls..?

[amber sleet]

i got enough for my landings at exactly 50 rumors

[austere mirage]

High as possible

[tacit oyster]

only wealthy citizens give clues and those are easy clues

[merry sphinx]

rumours got me to lik e92 hunt in the main game

i hated hunter before rumours

[austere mirage]

Sad I got my hopes up then

[thorn marsh]

Ecclectics in Puro give Mediums at 1/25..

[tacit oyster]

medium/hard/elite clue thieving only for kandarin pickers

[regal spindle]

are there any other simple tasks that come to mind, which only need gp such as paying off Andras,(phasmatys) or paying off the fee for brimhaven dungeon?

[amber sleet]

do u have kandarin? kandarin is the best clue enjoyer spot for larcenist havers

[thorn marsh]

If you have the Hunter relic, it's even better since you get guaranteed catches and double loot..

[amber sleet]

u can pickpocket almost every scroll in kand

[tawdry carbon]

the crown in tiranwin

[austere mirage]

Nope varlamore only

[past birch]

No thorns, no overhealing, this was HARD!!

[amber sleet]

are u staying varlamore locked forever or do u plan to have kand eventually maybe?

[merry sphinx]

damn we go a pro gamer

[thorn marsh]

How do the challenges for more than Triple Jads work..? Do they offset their attacks still so that you can always prayer-swap to block damage..?

[livid slate]

Special gives you a 1 tick break after 6

[amber sleet]

as long as you don't stop their attack cycle by getting melee'd / outranging them yes

[austere mirage]

I was thinking to head to elf land next, but before that its the force choice

[formal gulch]

The most adorable critter in OSRS. Behold, anger incarnate:

[livid slate]

Infinite does not

[formal gulch]