leagues-general

[surreal kiln]

yeah that was just like guards

on top of varrock

[tacit oyster]

only place where it would have been nerfed is ham members but those burned with misthalin

[livid slate]

Go to top floor and claim the whistle because it only takes 10 to get it guaranteed

[static arch]

I had a blood shard spot where 12x was the average.

[surreal kiln]

nothing else is that close to each other

[merry sphinx]

oh

[cyan cove]

I took barb gathering and I wish it had the no reload times on harvestables

[winged sinew]

i just realise how good my teleports to bank and fairy mushroiom is

[surreal kiln]

yeah I was there too but mostly got 7-9

[livid slate]

Get cooked lmao

I did the same thing

Don't worry

[winged sinew]

i have to walk everyhwere on my alt

at least the bank one is really goof

good

[tacit oyster]

where you do find 12 pickpocketable vyres in 10x10 tile grid

[merry sphinx]

my 2nd account too ive done this before lmao

[surreal kiln]

now you can just afk plop yourself anywhere and with kandarin you have about 1480 pouches cap

its insane

[surreal kiln]

you would need to bait combat vyres in houses

[peak crypt]

Now that I'm having to farm hunleff echo, I miss my dry zulrah lol... This sucks

[surreal kiln]

it wasnt really that consistent

[near solstice]

Is the drop boost working right at doom?

[livid slate]

I genuinely don't know how to farm clues for clue scroll tasks in WAZ without clue relic

[copper gorge]

You always tp out of barrows. Restock if needed then reload. I always do verac, dh, ahrims, karils, guth, torag order.

[livid slate]

How would someone get enough mediums for ranger boots

[surreal kiln]

wildy has hard clues easy

and varla is easy clues

meds? sounds like pain tbh

unles some wildy monsters in slayer cave

[static arch]

It's been awhile, but we picked a particular target in the left area, west of the bank, we were getting 12x blood shards each time they dropped. Sometimes 13. A few tiles away we were only getting 9-10. 🤷

[tacit oyster]

eclectic implings best without kandarin + larcenist

[livid slate]

I'm trying to plan my second account out without missing anything like the first time

[livid slate]

Oof

[static arch]

It counted the Sentinels and nobles. And most of the Sentinels between the bank and altar were aggro'ing onto people killing them afk for slayer on the top left corner of the building, so I think they were within range.

But yeah, the 10x loot is definitely stronger for Priff and stalls.

[shrewd ermine]

I do this order usually but it depends on where the dungeon is. basically I try to end in the center

[static arch]

And house keys, but that's a super short stay for points.

[peak crypt]

Is hunleff and demonic gorillas the only mobs in leagues to have to worry about prayer pen?

[surreal kiln]

doom grubs you can do too wiht pray pen

[static arch]

Thermo echo, ToA enemies

I assume others, but I'm sick and brain is being lazy in recollection.

[surreal kiln]

[winged sinew]

too bad i can't fight it

[peak crypt]

Oh didn't realize thermy had prayer

[tacit oyster]

so best case is you get 12 vyres in the same area after luring all that aggro and hoping no one kills or releases them from building and hoping the pickpocketable ones wander close to each other

[static arch]

Yeah. When he enters his spirit bomb phase, he prays against whatever you last damaged him with before the phase started.

[tacit oyster]

oh yama dossiers are so stupid in this league... they give 15x same contract

[static arch]

So you don't need the pen, but you can be lazy with it.

[static arch]

I had the best case going back then for ~6 hours.

[cyan cove]

just beat echo thermy and got his weapons, bro why is the lithic scepter feel stronger

1 tic vs 2 tic ngl

[static arch]

People consistently worked together to set it up because we has Dodgy

[tacit oyster]

i highly doubt that since the pickpocketable ones wander a large area

[kind cairn]

Is thorns practically useless in ToB?

[cyan cove]

I hope they give us another grid masters between leagues

[kind cairn]

I'm not sure if my thorns is actually hitting any of the bosses

[static arch]

We also yelled at anyone who messed it up, and had 1-2 people dedicated to fixing it when it got goofed.

[peak crypt]

Well I respec'd for hunleff and demonic gorillas. Been here a little while going dry. So thought before I respec I should clear any prayer pen content. Aside from doom I suppose. I can go back and grab like one node for that later

[cyan cove]

getting hit in ToB usally isn't recommended

[kind cairn]

water mage, sorry prolly should have pre-faced with that

[static arch]

Makes sense. I'm getting close to krakens atm, then that grind should get me to the lvl for Thermo

So might go in with just the 25% pen

not sure on what I'm picking for my last area, though

So waiting on resetting anything.

Wait, is it 3 or 4 areas after Karamja?

just 3, right?

[tacit oyster]

3 after karamja

[thorn marsh]

Varlamore, Karamja, and three areas of your choice..

[static arch]

yeah, then 8 taks off my last one

Thinking to skip the ones with really unfun pact tasks.

Going water thorns, so T seems irrelevant.

[peak crypt]

I picked wildy, kandarin, and tirannwn. Wish I swapped wildy with asgarnia

[surreal kiln]

no regrets

[shy light]

when you are melee only but your ranged echos pop off hard, "the archer"

[surreal kiln]

the silly titles it sometimes generates based on stuff is hillarious tbh

[static arch]

Lowkey tempted to go Wildy as my 3rd area, just so I can try and farm out an Ely to put with Justy

But then I remember the league ends in like a month and a half

[surreal kiln]

I did duo with both had a tank title, aka The Leech and The Anchor 🤣

so I wonder where was the MVP in that

🤣

[static arch]

Does Thorn damage calc pre or post % mitigation from Ely and Justy effects?

for this

[surreal kiln]

plenty time to try out, but getting ely I think is still tough even on leagues

:D

[tacit oyster]

i had mvp with anchor since i died in first room

[frigid apex]

It’s only 1/800 :)

Ely + zcb is my dream

[peak crypt]

I just want to be done with echo hunleff desperately. I want my own gear back. I'm so dry on these last armor crystals

[tacit oyster]

oh wait anchor* not leach

[surreal kiln]

I did get mvp with the anchor too

but they both are negative titles

🤣

[shy light]

my leagues equipment kinda funny setup

[kind quail]

The double hit thorns works? it doesnt seem to for me

[shy light]

it worked for me when I was on a thorns build

[smoky raft]

it only procs on thorns, not the other recoil effects

[tacit oyster]

it only applies to thorns, not recoil

[smoky raft]

do you have a shield equipped? adn the thorns pact unlocked?

[granite timber]

when are we gonna get

zenythe bolts

[surreal kiln]

in a zenith

[shrewd ermine]

a portal nexus is just a better portal chamber right?

[kind quail]

I am genuenly stupid then, Time to respec, 2 wasted points

[smoky raft]

pretty much

[tacit oyster]

costs more to add teleports to it but can have more in same room

[shy light]

In a true copper short sword.

[surreal kiln]

[shrewd ermine]

these all have the same functionality right?

[peak crypt]

yes

[near magnet]

im unlocking my last area, have mory and kandaring so far. any recommendations on last unlock?

[shy light]

yes but each tier can hold more teleports, which isn't really needed in leagues

[shrewd ermine]

can I set a portal to barrows if I only have the standard spellbook?

cause barrows teleport is arceus

[toxic vortex]

you have to charge the portal with the spell in question

which would mean being on that spellbook

[copper gorge]

Damn i got devils element at 2 but im at 15 kc myself

[shrewd ermine]

rip :(

[peak crypt]

You mean with the right spealls? transmute

runes sorry lol. was mid hunleff

[toxic vortex]

makes up for not getting the nox hally pieces in 150kc

[kindred cypress]

what happens when you lose echo items, you have to grind them back?

[shrewd ermine]

nah, like I dont think I can cast the barrows tp spell because I'd need the arceus book

[copper gorge]

Hoping i dont go the full 35 for shadowflame that would be almost 3 hours of echo thermy

[toxic vortex]

you should reclaim them from death and/or your gravestone

if you double died and lost everything, then yes

[kindred cypress]

lost lost

ah rip

[jolly spade]

I got redwood totem credit when making a magic wood totem, kinda cool but seems like a bug

Cuz idk where to get redwood logs without WC guild

[copper gorge]

Lol i mean when youre dry, youre dry

[copper gorge]

Transmuter baby

[jolly spade]

I didnt go transmute, think its kinda bad

But does fix a lotta gaps

[shrewd ermine]

transmute imo is the best relic if you know how to combine it with other relics

[copper gorge]

Can get redwoods from mory with gold chest

[toxic vortex]

not a bug, they gave that task to everyone

[smoky raft]

they patched this in because not everyone has access to redwood logs, and they wanted all tasks to be completable by anyone who has its region unlocked

[cyan cove]

what gear are water thorns people using to run ToB pretty successfully

[livid slate]

Transmute is going into golden god jail after this league

They ain't bringing that back

[jolly spade]

Huge. Ty! And dev teams

[peak crypt]

Ohhh yeah. One more armor seed to go baby! And I'm DONE!!

[copper gorge]

They made it incredibly expansive. Which is wild.

I definitely didnt think it would be as good as it is.

[copper gorge]

Gl gl

[dense forge]

Yeah I definitely discarded it originally since I didn't realize how many things it covered

[cyan cove]

what gear and builds are people using to run ToB

[shadow burrow]

For a water mage thorn build what’s the best armor to use? Should I be going for ancestral or should I pick mory too for justicar?

[shrewd ermine]

how do I equip a tbow when I only haveTKM 😭

[livid slate]

1tick thorns mage for a while, but now I'm air/water thorns mage

I see a bunch of KB ice builds as well

[peak crypt]

It lets you pick one of any of the megarare weapons

[cyan cove]

1tick thorns mage with lithic staff im assuming

[livid slate]

Mega rare voucher gives you a choice

[shrewd ermine]

i see

[cyan cove]

I want a DFS to swap for my dragon sq

[livid slate]

That or any other good one

I used sang for a while

[shadow burrow]

What armor were ya wearing

[dense forge]

1t lithic has to slap in nylo room lol

[livid slate]

Justi for staff tank, the prayair setup for now

Which is prayer gear + virtus top

[peak crypt]

Its funny. I've played so much BDO that when I read "DFS" I just hear "duel for spot" lol

[shadow burrow]

What regions ya take?

[eternal heron]

Vissy is what 1/2k for us non wildy noobs?

[livid slate]

KTM

[shadow burrow]

Was the crystal armor def needed?

Or now you’re not even using It so don’t matter

[livid slate]

offensively, yes

For tanking, no

[shadow burrow]

I figured for water thorns crystal would be kinda pointless since ya want as much tank

And for air you want prayer

[livid slate]

crystal does fall off later for sure

but I think it's worth getting

[shadow burrow]

Yeah just unsure if it’s worth taking the region for It or going kourend kandarin mory

Wasn’t sure if virtus and justice best It out

[livid slate]

Tir is a good region

People have gone KTZ or KTM

The experience is good for both, I'd say

KTM is for bloodshards for harder tanking

KTZ is more prayair with prayers and dragonbone necklace

[shadow burrow]

Ahhh true

[crystal kelp]

Dragonbone necklace is Fremmy

[tacit oyster]

hydra drops this too

[livid slate]

Yeah I heard Hydra drops it completed

[smoky raft]

just hit 40k points

[crystal kelp]

Ahh bone crusher necklace, that makes more sense

[dusk cedar]

does the knight waves miniquest have to be done with melee? or can i use magic attacks?

[long trail]

yo can duradel give araxytes or am i wasting points

[tacit oyster]

melee only and no prayers

[dusk cedar]

ok thanks

[toxic vortex]

echo thermy done

[dusk cedar]

thanks. been a decade sincei've done this miniquest.

[merry sphinx]

kings message is pointless right?

if you dont have tiran u cant do regicide and having tiranwyn auto completes it

[toxic vortex]

correct

its just a byproduct of taking kand and the quests that it completes

[long trail]

any clues gamers

[toxic vortex]

yes

I have an araxyte task from duradel rn

[heavy dome]

Am I right in thinking that I should be able to catch and loot implings without needing jars?

[long trail]

ok tysm

back to rolling

[merry sphinx]

in puro puro u need jars

[shrewd ermine]

I did T first. actually isn't a bad decision at all since you can complete gauntlet with very little

[dusk cedar]

yes.

[velvet hornet]

is it worth respecing to fuck aroudn with the blind bag ? i have asg, kan, wildy 4 respecs left

[livid slate]

No problem with that at all, I've seen a few people do that

[heavy dome]

Oh ok, following a leagues starter guide and it never mentioned needing jars in puropuro

[velvet hornet]

wondering if it sworth trying over other stuff

[toxic vortex]

eh

[merry sphinx]

you kind of need mory for blindbag to be good

[velvet hornet]

need scythe i assume?

[merry sphinx]

you can stack boppers tho

[livid slate]

boppers > scythes, unfortunately

[velvet hornet]

boppers?

[merry sphinx]

dual mac

[shrewd ermine]

this barrows grind is so bad 😭

[velvet hornet]

ah so does that mean mory is not needed?

i mean more less feel great im just wondering if i shoudl fuck aroudn with it

[merry sphinx]

it can still be decent yeah

i saw someone stack all the boppers and lesser variants

[velvet hornet]

any other stand out builds i should try before league ends?

like ill be missing out type shit

[merry sphinx]

go crossbow build with the kings barrage

[long trail]

mory if you're gonna want to do bluetooth blindbag, or want rancour
with kand u can get a torture and bluetooth isnt needed so

[merry sphinx]

then branch into blindbag

[coarse imp]

Looking for people for all levels of pest control. world 666

[velvet hornet]

i started that

[glacial lion]

Does the t8 relic flask explode for ~60 damage three times or ~60 damage total over three explosions?

[merry sphinx]

mine does 73 damage

each time

3 explosions

[glacial lion]

Nice ty

[velvet hornet]

if you have wildy it aparently one shots people so theres that lol

[merry sphinx]

griefing in league is kind of goofy

[velvet hornet]

i didnt think thtat stuff was suposed to pvp enabled

yeah its happedn to me like 10 time snow

i hav minion

whats the fastest way to get larrans keys?

im just doing slayer adn when i get revs i do 200 dragons every time

[old tapir]

extremely funny watching the moons smack me and take 80 damage

[dense forge]

Try to get a task of something in the wildy cave that has a slayer req

[velvet hornet]

like nechs?

[dense forge]

Odds are boosted by like 35% if you match both of those

Yep

[shrewd ermine]

how do you lose agility in barrows?

just being underground?

[dense forge]

Karil's passive

They have a chance to lower your agility on hit, even if that hit is a 0

[shrewd ermine]

ah rip

[rare hollow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1t3d6uv/i_went_over_9x_the_drop_rate_in_a_temporary_game/

never let jagex think red prison isnt a prison

[toxic vortex]

more like red gulag

[glacial ridge]

do wildy weapons drop in order or can i be unlucky with dupes before getting all?

[crystal kelp]

Deserved for being an ironman

[white jay]

if I went tiranwin/kandarin for water thorns, what should i take as last area? Desert? Wildy?

[peak crypt]

Does crystal blessing only work with powered staves? So wouldn't work with quadrant?

[livid slate]

Only powered staves

[peak crypt]

Dang I was really banking on using crystal armor and blessing with quadrant

[livid slate]

Imo, Zeah/Mory/Desert if you want to raid. Wildy if you just want to have fun doing content you may not normally experience

[pulsar oriole]

Why desert how does that help a water mage

[livid slate]

It doesn't, you get ancients, but that isn't really anything special

But they seem to be interested in it

[pulsar oriole]

I did same build but did kourend last i dont recommend

The pacts and tasks suck

[livid slate]

Z is a tough area from what I've heard

Most cases people have had to bite the bullet and play water thorns to clear the content slowly but safely

[pulsar oriole]

its not the content being hard its all RNG pacts

get lance

get full oathplate

zzz

[livid slate]

You can skip those two and get 40 easily

So I'm not sure what the issue is with that

[pulsar oriole]

when u only have a few pacts left to unloick most of them are RNG

i did all the ones that arent lol

[livid slate]

What are your regions?

KTZ?

[pulsar oriole]

ye also 4x dry on enh so cba with that pact to

[toxic vortex]

aranea boots got

back to rax

[pulsar oriole]

i guess i could do awakened vard but that would be so ass with mage

[livid slate]

I'd just skip the hydra one, tbh

You can easily get 40 without that

Just a matter of patience

[shy light]

worked my way up to a solo 300 with blind bag 😄

[pulsar oriole]

thats fair ty for your confidence king

[livid slate]

You'll get the drops trust

Or you'll have a funny screenshot for later

Like this one:

[fallow vault]

can Poison be redirected with thorns?

[shy light]

no

[fallow vault]

ofc they wouldnt allow that 😄

what about araxxors poison on the ground?

[shy light]

this 300 was so chill I may use these invos in the main game since I have a fang 😄

[peak crypt]

I'm FINALLY done with the prison that is Hunleff. Thank GOD

[small jasper]

does anyone have a good pray-air build? in terms of gear?

[latent pumice]

Anyone know why i cant kill thermy on a smoke devil task?

[small jasper]

im trying to reach 50 prayer bonus but kinda tough, my regions are kandarin, mory, asgarnia

[tacit oyster]

so only colosseum and clues for prayer

[simple marsh]

clue gear

[tight thorn]

Folk, how do I get Wrath runes? Got Kandarin and Tyrranwn unlocked

[livid slate]

Barb assault

[latent pumice]

95 runecraft

Unless you have transmute

[cyan cove]

whats good gear to farm before trying to get full justiclar? I have full Dh besides his helm and it feels so weak

[peak crypt]

I have kbd cbow already. Just finished up hunleff. What should i make for my enhanced crystal? Honestly I don't think I'll ever use either of the weapons. Maybe Saeldor? Since I have cbow already?

[pulsar oriole]

What the fuck lol

[toxic vortex]

one more hally piece

question will ultimately become, do I stick it out for the 300kc task

[tight thorn]

Do we have a world for barb assault?

[small jasper]

666

[sleek lintel]

anyone know which world people jump to do some mass "Nightmare" ?

[velvet hornet]

ffs im like 300kc split between vet and cal no blade XD

[pure karma]

maxing feels so far away lmao

[velvet hornet]

does this make it so if i use water wave, i get the heal and theg burns at the same time?

[small jasper]

that is the worst relic in the game

dont take it

pact*

[tacit oyster]

it means Blood spells on ancient spellbook

[pure karma]

water wave isnt blood

[velvet hornet]

oh blood spells ok got it iwa sthinking spells cast with bloods

dumb lol

[dense forge]

What are people doing for construction without Tiranwyn?

[potent quail]

you heal from the blood barrage and get the benefit of the fire mastery

the problem is you kinda burn your health away

[potent quail]

how does tyr help with con?

[pure karma]

jagex should clarify what they mean by this

[dense forge]

Def thought smithing in my head lol

[potent quail]

well ironicly the others dont help
we have a smoke rune

[velvet hornet]

didnt even occur to me, i dont have desert anyway

[potent quail]

well i have butler
So i put him in planks for 3 days
then spam mahogany tables
mahogany benches and teak benches (superior garden)

i have both butlers

[next dust]

how can i get my "CoX" clear for the diary?

ive never done a raid before

[chilly pine]

if you have asgarnia, you can do mahogany homes
if you have transmute, you can turn your logs into teak/mahogany
there's a saw mill in varlamore

if you have kandarin, there's teak trees near B K P fairy ring

[dense forge]

Ok I'll look into teak benches ty all

[surreal kiln]

tbh you outweight the problem on single target around

20% magic dmg

the benefits of bloodfire are amazing

[glacial ridge]

do wildy weapons drop in order or can i be unlucky with dupes before getting all?

[past birch]

You can get unlucky

[glacial ridge]

oh alr ty

[strange jacinth]

doing a 2nd playthrough and liking it way more the second time

larcenist is so good

[spring cipher]

just clear it

[gentle rune]

@spring cipher will you do cox w me

[wooden hamlet]

Is there a league tobs world?

[gentle rune]

Accidentally reset now i dont have heals

[static arch]

Hmm, didn't exepct Ouri altar to be more xp than making bloods, and bloods to be more than making wraths

[kind pecan]

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[wooden hamlet]

Ty

[kind pecan]

npnp

[spring cipher]

i think leagues discord probably have people looking

[strange jacinth]

actually poggers

[austere mirage]

What is a strong melee build?

[static arch]

Wonder how many kills Visage will actually take

kind of tempted to move from black to mith dragons, just in case the yolo full helm drops

[gentle rune]

Its not that easy to find ppl for raids some arent willing to do cms

[spring cipher]

im doing mith dragons rn

i did about 1500 brutal black dragons and now about 1000 mith

i figured i might as well

also

whats wrong with cms

in leagues they're practically free

[tacit oyster]

i feel like i need to go for 500+ kc for dossiers

[near bison]

the grind continues 🥲

[cursive glacier]

contracts are fairly quick from killing demons

[thorn marsh]

How long does it typically take Ents to do a cycle at Vale Totems..? I'm going around all eight ritual sites, and the Magic totems I'm building are still on the last durability tick by the time I get back to the start of the loop..

[livid slate]

It takes several for higher tiers at vale totems

Several full cycles, as opposed to one for lowers

[thorn marsh]

Oof..

[copper gorge]

I have 21 kills and 1 item. What is this????

[crystal kelp]

Rng baby

[near bison]

sheeesh

doing all 3?

it's like 1/3 or 1/6, one of those 2 if you do all 3

[copper gorge]

10 for just blue 11 for all 3.

Not fun to mage them.

[spring cipher]

dang u have 1 oathplate piece at 42 kc? im still at 0

at 150 kc

XD

[near bison]

i have yet to get a single drop just doing 1

i was 30 in a row on just eclipse

feels bugged lol

i broke my 30 streak, did a blood and eclipse and got the helm

[static arch]

Oh, kraken is immune to thorns

oof

[copper gorge]

Thats why i started doing all 3.

[strange jacinth]

kourend or mory 2nd

[winged sinew]

my biggest tip if you don't pick abundance to make money to buy weapons armour and basic shit in the beginning of your character, get 20 crafting fast, head to aldarin and cut gems until you have 100k which takes less than 10 min

then just get what you want

small stuff like mith armor

runes

arrows

like rune pickaxe

for 32k

[covert wolf]

another stupid way is afk jelly while wearing ring of wealth

[winged sinew]

yea but u am speaking about no combat stats

not gear

just get money right away

get a glass blower

[covert wolf]

no combat pretty much always high alch

[winged sinew]

buy bucket of sand

[covert wolf]

but you need to combat to high alch

[winged sinew]

buy i am not talking about alching

create beer glass

get 20 crafting

go to aldarin

print money

absoulte quickest way to start makign money for all the small shit

you don't need to worry about food

health

gear

just print money

i am in steel

i wanted rune pick

and i didn't want to level up combat

i think to get teh glass blower and some crafting you will have to cut some logs

or sell all your stuff to general store

then you can go to different shops and buyin some armour

[dusk cedar]

Sherlock just gave me the challenge of killing a spiritural mage. I need 10 more slayer levels to attempt it. guess i'm holding off on finishing this clue for now.

[winged sinew]

i hate those type of clues

but it is a master clue or elite

[dusk cedar]

master

[winged sinew]

so it does make sense that it requires some work

[dusk cedar]

i still need superior monsters to show up anyway, so i'm just gonna plug away at it.

[winged sinew]

sherlock once told me to show i can cut a yew tree twice

in a row

like sherlock can you not remember i can do that?

sherlock was like "show me again"

[dusk cedar]

at least that one is close by

[winged sinew]

several

by the church and the path towards catherby

6 tress at chrurch and 4-5 towards catherby

been thgere too many times

[dusk cedar]

the sherlock ones are the ones that keep stopping me for a bit.

[winged sinew]

the next one i need 91 fishing

for some eel

[dusk cedar]

i have to keep going and leveling up or playing a minigame.

[winged sinew]

why i am jsut a fishing guild while i play on alt

75 atm but i got abundance

[dusk cedar]

nice.

[winged sinew]

i will just get rune rank and then just play on my main or alt

just mess around

[dusk cedar]

i'm just getting as many tasks done as i can. i do want to unlock the last relic if possible.

[winged sinew]

nice

i picked flask

what will you pick?

[dusk cedar]

haven't decided yet.

[winged sinew]

flask seems great for pvm, allows for a 2nd attemp

[dusk cedar]

wish they had reloaded twice

[toxic vortex]

no way they'd do that

[winged sinew]

minion is great for slayer and constant damage 30 min

picks up loot

flask heals , restores prayer and makes you invinceble for 1.2 seconds

last one doesn't exist

time to get to mining

with my new rune pickaxe

[dusk cedar]

i want dragon tools.......

[static arch]

Well, that went faster than I expected.

[winged sinew]

nice

[static arch]

Time to go farm out a whip

[winged sinew]

light blindbag build

?

[static arch]

just need the abyssal tenctacle task for pact point, doing water thorns

[winged sinew]

oh okay

[dusk cedar]

why aren't the superior monsters not showing up for me? i haven't even gotten the kill 10 task done.

[glacial ridge]

does shield have o be in the name for thorns to work? or can i use a malediction ward or the off hand for the echo staff

[winged sinew]

just unlucky or you turned them off

at slayer master

[winged sinew]

no

[dusk cedar]

just unlucky

[winged sinew]

has to be a shield

not be called shield

[crystal kelp]

Ward should count I think

[glacial ridge]

so malediction ward is a shield?

ty

[winged sinew]

yes

i have pretty much done everything i wanted on my main leagues character

[glacial ridge]

does having prayer prot lower thorns dmg?

[winged sinew]

i just want rune rank

and i have 1 month to get there

[winged sinew]

no

[glacial ridge]

ty

[winged sinew]

wait,

let me check

[glacial ridge]

im so new to the thorns build, feels like im doing much less dmg than the kings barrage build

40 pacts btw

[winged sinew]

if you take 0 damage you still proc thorns

[glacial ridge]

hopefully i built it right

[winged sinew]

so yes

[glacial ridge]

ok ty

[winged sinew]

if you take 0 damage

[glacial ridge]

so thorns having nothing to do with how much dmg they deal?

[winged sinew]

so it would trigger

[glacial ridge]

thats what i thought

[cursive glacier]

theres a seperate part of thorns that reflects damage, and ring of suffering needs you to take damage

[winged sinew]

it based on defensive stats of gear

[cursive glacier]

theres also echo boots for taking damage

[glacial ridge]

oh ok

[winged sinew]

this one

XD

[glacial ridge]

got it

[winged sinew]

my mb

[glacial ridge]

the only good defense gear i can get in my areas is torva

guess i gotta get that asap then

[cursive glacier]

what areas do you have?

[glacial ridge]

kandarin asgarnia wildy

i did it for the cbow build

got 40 pacts and bored of it

so i respecced to water mage thorns

[dusk cedar]

i need tank/mage gear.

[cursive glacier]

i mean torva is fairly good yea

[glacial ridge]

yea but the accuracy is shit

and im already missing alot

[winged sinew]

as kandarin get mystic

to start

[cursive glacier]

against a lot of stuff you dont really care about hitting, just need water rune regen to heal

[dusk cedar]

I picked Kourend, Kandarin, and Asgarnia. What gear can I get that's tanky and mage accurate?

[winged sinew]

go to magic guild

[cursive glacier]

and with accuracy pacts you can still hit a lot

[winged sinew]

and buy mystic

[dusk cedar]

I have mystic.

I want to not be squished though

[glacial ridge]

im using full bandos

for now

until torva

[cursive glacier]

the only things i think exist in that category are ahrims

and its not even that tanky

[tacit oyster]

pretty much nothing is both tanky and high magic attack. Ahrim in morytania closest but still pretty low defensive stats

[dusk cedar]

can't go to mory.

i just don't want to be insta killed when i go into the coli.

[tacit oyster]

virtus is slightly lower defensive stats than ahrim

[winged sinew]

well, some regions don't have specific gear

[cursive glacier]

yea virtus is also fine but againt its not really tanky

[dusk cedar]

i'll just keep doing my best with what i have

and forget about any tasks that need the coli.

[cursive glacier]

like virtus legs have combined defense of ~110, while something like torva legs has ~340

you dont really need mage accuracy for colo if doing a thorns build

[dusk cedar]

i keep getting killed on wave one.

[cursive glacier]

what gear/pacts do you have?

[dusk cedar]

right now, mystic

[copper gorge]

If youre doing thorns get obby for semi cheap.

Semi cheap and not horrible.

[dusk cedar]

I wish the pacts screen wasn't so zoomed in. I can't see anything on it.

[copper gorge]

Not magic accurate.

[cursive glacier]

what about weapons/jewelry and pacts?

[dusk cedar]

amulet of fury. blessing. ardy cloak 2. and an antidragon shield as it was the only shield i had that didn't lessen my magic accuracy.

i do have the obby shield in my bank.

i'm trying to go for a water/thorns build, but the tree is confusing

[cursive glacier]

How many pact points do you have?

[dusk cedar]

12

[cursive glacier]

Thats honestly a bit early for water thorns to go fully online

[dusk cedar]

i am not good at bossing and complicated mechanics.

[copper gorge]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1y3kEjm8SCOEwCCR8AACBAAA.wB_5C3_qD_6T__hX_ud_-BN_7G_9yb_5X_7TH_07f-7f_Jl_8df-xj_8Z__rX_2___bv_sdf_Ed_6V_-n7_3h_4&name=STARTER

[dusk cedar]

right now, i just want to complete wave one for the task.

[copper gorge]

This is fauxs guide for water thorns

[cursive glacier]

Id say if youre struggling with colo just come back later with more points

[copper gorge]

Numbered unlocks.

[winged sinew]

this is what i made

[cursive glacier]

If you want just wave 1, hide behind a pillar and safespot the guys

If you pray and take one at a time you can do it safely

[dusk cedar]

i'll try that. and the pillar

[copper gorge]

What does your pact tree look like now, and any resets?

[winged sinew]

I would do this but not get the 2h shield and offand

[copper gorge]

What pact tasks do you need to do?

[winged sinew]

i would do this https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=STARTER&share=123kEzmsSCOEwCCRsAACBAAA.wB_5C3_gP_2_f_IX_8qf_A9_4n_9q__4B_7Af_lLf-e__Zs_8y_-2d_4g3_sb_2pv_fX_tz_-If_6A_8n3_3h_4

[smoky raft]

we chillin

[glacial ridge]

im thinking what spirit shield is best for me, thorns water mage build.

2 of them gives 263/262 total defence

1 gives 235 but 3% magic dmg plus 20 accuracy

compared to the malediction i have which gives 165 and 2% magic dmg and 13 accuracy

[cursive glacier]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1w3kEzycSCPEwCCR8AACBAAA

Heres my final build

[glacial ridge]

ive got the exaaaaact same xD, and i freestyled it

[cursive glacier]

And ill throw an early game build in as well

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1i1EEACMSAAEACCRYAACBAAA

[glacial ridge]

im thinking what spirit shield is best for me, thorns water mage build.

2 of them gives 263/262 total defence

1 gives 235 but 3% magic dmg plus 20 accuracy

compared to the malediction i have which gives 165 and 2% magic dmg and 13 accuracy

[dusk cedar]

equip a moon's piece. i just gotta go and do more of them for that. 150 lizardmen shaman. the echo bosses. several bosses. getting the d def. (gotta remember to go and get that)

[copper gorge]

Some bosses you are gunna die, thats just how it is. Took me a bit to learn echo thermy.

Echo amox was a clusterfuck.

I would work on getting 93 slayer asap because the kraken tasks are all super easy.

[winged sinew]

how often are you wearing a two handed shield?

[copper gorge]

Dins

[winged sinew]

you giot dins

[smoky raft]

that pact is pretty unique in that it works with non-shield offhands

hence why they didn't just say "shield"

[cursive glacier]

Its just really nice it works so long as youre not wearing a 2h weapon basically

[winged sinew]

so you do cox with that build?

[cursive glacier]

Yea

I do everything ith it

[winged sinew]

do you have dins

?

i find this build weird

because thorns requires shield

but the other one only works with 2 handed shields

so do you use dins?

[cursive glacier]

No, it doesnt say that

[crystal kelp]

Torva dinhs goes brrr

[cursive glacier]

It works with any offhand

[winged sinew]

2 handed shield

but thorns

[cursive glacier]

Yea

[winged sinew]

work with shield

[cursive glacier]

So i use a dfs

[winged sinew]

or a offhand

[crystal kelp]

A dfs is an offhand

[winged sinew]

it is?

[crystal kelp]

Are you struggling with the sentence or something?

[winged sinew]

i thought it was a 1 handed shield

[crystal kelp]

You seem to just be repeating the same thing

[cursive glacier]

Yea it goes in the offhand not the mainhand

[amber sleet]

All one handed shields are offhands, but not all offhands are shields.

[winged sinew]

oh

[amber sleet]

Just like how all bananas are fruits, but not all fruits are bananas.

[winged sinew]

i thought offhand was something like defender

becasue defenders are not shields

[amber sleet]

Offhand is anything in the offhand.

[crystal kelp]

The slot is called 'offhand'

[winged sinew]

npo

no

shield_slot

but i didn't know shields are offhands

that was my bad

i thought defenders are offhands

[crystal kelp]

Thought they changed it

[winged sinew]

so why specify 2 hand shields and not say shields

2 handed shields or shields

[crystal kelp]

To make it work with other off hands like defenders

Or the Kandarin offhand from thermy

[winged sinew]

oh okay

[cursive glacier]

Like i said initially, it works so long as youre not wearing a 2h weapon other than dihns basically

[amber sleet]

Because shields are already included in the offhand part, but they specifically wanted to make an exception to allow dinhs as well, which is something that reasonably should benefit from thorns type nodes but isn't an offhand.

[winged sinew]

but wouldn't it be more clear to write shields and offhands

since dins is a shield

[amber sleet]

Think about it this way: if they removed the part about two handed shields, what would change about the statement?

The only difference would be now dinhs isn't included.

[cursive glacier]

It would lead to confusion in a different way

[amber sleet]

So, the reason they mentioned two handed shields was specifically to call in an exception for dinhs.

[cursive glacier]

Because then people would think shields are not offhands, and that interpretation messes with other stuff

[winged sinew]

the fact that it says 2 handed shields make me think okay if they had to specify 2 handed then 1 handed shields it will not work with

[amber sleet]

Why? Shields are offhands.

[winged sinew]

well why not write shields then?

jsut shields

why specify 2 handed

[amber sleet]

????

[cursive glacier]

Im out

[amber sleet]

i explained this like 3 times now

[dusk cedar]

maybe they should have written "shield, including two-handed"

[winged sinew]

why?

[crystal kelp]

That doesn't cover defenders and such

[winged sinew]

is two handed shields not a shield?

[dusk cedar]

and then continued with offhand.

[winged sinew]

yes

"shields and off-hands"

[cursive glacier]

The only way you are going to get a universally unambiguous definition is explicitly listing every item it works with

[crystal kelp]

And their cosmetic variants

[cursive glacier]

Yea because those are different items

[crystal kelp]

Surely they just list the ID numbers of all the items that work and not their name

[cursive glacier]

That seems more clear to me

No ambiguity if we have the exact ids

[amber sleet]

[winged sinew]

what does 2 handed shields and 1 handed shields not have in common (can't be held up by 1 hand)
what does both have in common (they are shields)

[amber sleet]

what do one handed shields and defenders have in common?

they are offhands

[winged sinew]

then why not write shields and off hands?

[amber sleet]

so

you see what you just did there?

you read what i said

and you asked

[winged sinew]

i did

[amber sleet]

why not do something they already just did explicitly

[crystal kelp]

I think from a game technical point of view, a 2 handed shield and a shield are different things because you can attack with a 2 handed shield

[amber sleet]

but in different words

they could have worded it the way you wanted

[cursive glacier]

a shield is not a concrete classification

[amber sleet]

it would've been slightly more redundant that way

and it might've specifically made it easier for you in particular to understand

[crystal kelp]

"everything is a shield if you're brave enough"

[amber sleet]

but there's also any number of other ways they could've also worded the same thing

[cursive glacier]

its a vague classification thats basically "if it looks and feels like a shield" its a shield

[crystal kelp]

What if it also quacks?

[winged sinew]

it's like being specific about something that doesn't need to be specific if it includes everything

[amber sleet]

the fact of the matter is the way it is currently worded explicitly does communicate effectively what it is meant to do

[cursive glacier]

sorry then its a duck not a shield

[winged sinew]

like I wash ford cars at my store

WHAT you don't wash other brands cars?

NO

i wash all cars

but i said ford oinly

only

[crystal kelp]

So you don't wash vans?

[winged sinew]

why say ford cars

when it is all cars

[cursive glacier]

exactly!

why say you do shields and offhands when its just offhands (and dinhs)

[amber sleet]

your analogy is disanalagous to the situation

[crystal kelp]

It's like going in circles with someone who's running into a wall every cycle

[winged sinew]

because off hands are nopt shields

[amber sleet]

one handed shields are offhands

not all offhands are shields

[crystal kelp]

The parent classification is off hand

[winged sinew]

yes

[crystal kelp]

So you would use off hand

[cursive glacier]

cars are not ford, ford cars are cars

[placid creek]

Do you need Asgarnia and Mory for slayer helm?

[crystal kelp]

Don't need asg

[placid creek]

How do you get the goggles? I can't find them, unless I'm blind

[crystal kelp]

Don't need em if quest isn't done

When it's done it's in any slayer shop

[placid creek]

ohhhh, I see

[crystal kelp]

Goggles help

[winged sinew]

dinhs us a shield , i think saying it would work with shields and offhands includes dins''

[amber sleet]

it would

but so does the way it is worded already

if it was worded the way you are saying

someone might come along and be confused in a different way

and ask

why not word it this way: (the way it is already worded)

and we'd be going in circles again

at the end of the day either way works, but this is the way it is worded

[winged sinew]

would anyone be confused if it said shields?

i don't think so

[amber sleet]

you're a perfect example of why you might be surprised

because the perfectly explicit current wording is being misunderstood by you somehow

[winged sinew]

dins is a shield

so i expect it to work

[cursive glacier]

yes yes they would

since the wording you're suggesting is (once again) suggesting that shields are not offhands

[winged sinew]

if you see dins do you not think that is a big ass shield?

[toxic vortex]

damn thats really convenient

fishing cape can teleport to fishing guild or otto's grotto

[winged sinew]

no i am not

I said i thought off hands was something else

i was wrong there

but i rather have it say shields and off hands

instead of 2 handed shields and off hands

[amber sleet]

that's cool

[cursive glacier]

yea and im telling you for the fourth time now that is confusing in a different way. Perhaps not to you, but it implies shields are not offhands because you have to specify them seperately

[amber sleet]

you'd rather it that way

someone else would rather it some other way

but the way that matters is the way the devs wanted it to be

and neither one of us is in control of that so this conversation is mostly pointless

the description is explicitly correct

so our preferences are irrelevant

[winged sinew]

it is correct

i just didn't know shields counted as offhand

so i threw me off

what other items only only as offhand but not a shield that is not the defenders and god books?

[toxic vortex]

defenders, god books

[amber sleet]

devil's element

[toxic vortex]

devil's element

[amber sleet]

antler guard

the mushroom

[winged sinew]

i was gonna sak

[toxic vortex]

book of the dead

[amber sleet]

probably others i'm not thinking of

[winged sinew]

ask

about the mushroom

[tawdry carbon]

mith dragons are good afk thing to do points wise right?
d full helm + visy?

[winged sinew]

not the slightest imo

takes too long

but it is afk

if you can heal yourself

[tawdry carbon]

blood fury blindbag is plenty of heals

as long as u dont carry ur scythe it wont unekip your shield

[cursive glacier]

briefcase, saw, knife, hammer, any book, aquantine hopper, mooleta (sorta a defender),

[winged sinew]

mooleta is a defender

waht is the highest def item that is not a shield?

i wonder

some quest item

[cursive glacier]

why is mooleta a defender?

[winged sinew]

they said so in a live stream?

[spring cipher]

it works like a defender

[cursive glacier]

what does "works like a defender" mean?

[winged sinew]

looks like a defender, works like a defender, smells like a defender

[cursive glacier]

what special properties does a defender have?

[spring cipher]

this is a dragon defender

[winged sinew]

offensive off hand weapon

[cursive glacier]

because if you ask me, i woulda said a defender is an item with defender in the name, and specifically obtained from warriors guild

[winged sinew]

usually boost str

[cursive glacier]

im happy to be wrong

[winged sinew]

it is sort of a dagger

[static arch]

So, Desert feels pointless. Wildy would just give Ely, which would be a huge grind. So between K, Frem, and Asg, which has the fun content?

[cursive glacier]

it doesnt really look like a defender to me, idk what "works like a defender means" if defenders dont have any special properties, and it doesnt smell like a defender to me either

[winged sinew]

it looks like a pointy stick

a knife

[cursive glacier]

so does a fletching knife and a bronze sword

[spring cipher]

we call the new offhand dps item a defender too from varlamore

tbh

the ones that drop from the custodian stalkers

people typically mean
defenders= offhand that gives melee dps over defence

shield= offhand that gives more defence

[cursive glacier]

i wouldnt have known that from just in game information unfortunately

[winged sinew]

The mooleta is the only shield slot item to give melee strength, stab, slash, and crush bonuses in free-to-play.

[winged sinew]

ii said this earlier

[amber sleet]

f2p can get mooleta?

[winged sinew]

yes

[amber sleet]

i thought it was a members only drop

[spring cipher]

nope

its f2p's only source of a defender

pretty cool tho

[amber sleet]

i see

they changed their minds before release

[spring cipher]

well yea alot of the terms we use are from the community

like bow of faeridein or whatever

we just dubbed it as bowfa

its not an official name

but thats what everyone calls it

and something as simple as

[winged sinew]

bow of faeridein too long to say while playing

[spring cipher]

"do you own bow?"

[tawdry carbon]

it takes some time to catch on to the lingo

a lot of people dont realize they gatekeep inforamtion adn you cant even wiki stuff sometimes.

[spring cipher]

most people would recognize it as

"do you own a twisted bow"

[winged sinew]

t bow

[spring cipher]

thats why when u own both a scy and tbow

people call it bow/scy

[amber sleet]

you should probably reword this to

most people who raid

[tawdry carbon]

thing is its not just people who raid rixxy

[amber sleet]

because people who raid are probably a tiny minority of the overall population

[tawdry carbon]

some people pvm for a long time and are just coming back

[amber sleet]

i don't think most people would know bow means tbow

[tawdry carbon]

i arleady fnished tbow/scy rebuild before bowfa even existed

lol

[spring cipher]

oh i guess yea late game players use that term more often

cause yea

people would say staff=shadow tho most people call it shadow
bow= tbow
scy=scythe

[tawdry carbon]

thats one of the thing i think that poe does really well though

you dont have to type the item out if you have it

you can hyperlink it to the chat

[amber sleet]

most games do that

osrs is one of the only ones that doesn't in my experience

like almost every other mmo i can think of has that

[tawdry carbon]

poe2 tooltips are so well designed from a ui/ux

[amber sleet]

if not every one

[tawdry carbon]

key term gets an underline, hyperlink to antoher tooltip

[spring cipher]

osrs is also based off a browser mmo

back in the early 2000s

[spring cipher]

lol

[tawdry carbon]

one of the best changes they made in the sequel

dont know what the hell a key term means? its underlined, click it

[amber sleet]

but yeah poe is particularly good about keywording and denoting internal definitions

[spring cipher]

i wanna say 20% of the community raid including like people who only raid casually for the clear without learning any tech

[amber sleet]

as someone who plays a lot of tabletop games i appreciate it

[spring cipher]

prob under 5% if learning tech

[tawdry carbon]

and id argue in that 5%

4.99% of them are elitist gatekeeping losers

[amber sleet]

i wouldn't be surprised if it was less than that

[tawdry carbon]

i raided with one guy

who talked tons of shit about a suboptimal tob run

and fucking planked 3 times

hahahaha

[amber sleet]

keep in mind even the people you might consider "casual" are still the ones you actually notice in the spaces you particularly move through

[tawdry carbon]

idc if ppl raid optimally

i only care if they are jerks

[amber sleet]

the actual real casual players do not engage with third party anything around the games they play

[spring cipher]

if we included botted accounts and people who play once a month then yes
if we only include people who play often then the number goes up

[tawdry carbon]

or completely throw

[amber sleet]

they just play the game

[toxic vortex]

whats the closet teleport to the charter ships?

sunset coast?

[tawdry carbon]

isnt the fortis quetzal kinda close

[toxic vortex]

i think its close-ish

[tawdry carbon]

sunset might be closer

[amber sleet]

yes, casual players tend to not have as much time to spend on the game, or choose not to spend as much time on it

[toxic vortex]

probably negligible

[amber sleet]

they are still part of the population of players though

[spring cipher]

im talking casual players that play the game daily cause playing once a week or month i wouldnt include in the statistic as they barely exist

or not even daily

once every two days works too

[amber sleet]

they definitely exist from a monetary standpoint

[tawdry carbon]

i think play time isnt agood way to discern casual vs sweat

[spring cipher]

and if we're talking people who spent time properly playing

[tawdry carbon]

some ppl are very skilled and their 1 hour of sweating >>>> a lot of "non casual" people playing for 8 straight hours

[spring cipher]

then we're gonna say the cut off of people playing properly/decent amount would be quest cape

imo

[amber sleet]

lol

your idea of casual is warped

[spring cipher]

at least then they finally dipped their toes into the game

[amber sleet]

is all im saying

[tawdry carbon]

infamimi is a curious one

[spring cipher]

tbf the game only starts

post quest cape

cause quest cape is like

"story mode completed"

[tawdry carbon]

i kinda disagree

[spring cipher]

and u finally start the grind towards the mid and late game

[amber sleet]

that might be one of the dumbest things i've ever seen you say

ngl

[tawdry carbon]

I did a lot of fast cox cms wel lbefore quest cape

but i race on d2/poe for years

[spring cipher]

in the grand scheme of the game its pretty factual

if u played till the late game

[amber sleet]

not really

[spring cipher]

you'd know it takes up about only 20% of the total journey

[amber sleet]

from the standpoint of the vast majority of the playerbase

it's completely out of touch with reality

factually

[tawdry carbon]

idk about most playerbase

i just know about me

a lot of mimis takes dont apply to me

at all

[spring cipher]

factually ur only 20% or less completed of the way there after quest cape lol

[tawdry carbon]

and i assume theres more like me

[spring cipher]

so technically it is early on

[tawdry carbon]

auemex is here

lay down the LAW BROTHER

[spring cipher]

but thats for people who play play the game

[gusty hare]

league got me into OSRS for the 1st time, looking at guide for normal osrs staying in winterholdt till 99 firemaking seems life draining

[tawdry carbon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/clap-hunter-soul-of-cinder-C6lzMf9f2ZPwNgcGaK

[spring cipher]

not occasionally tourist

[gusty hare]

may just stick with leagues

[amber sleet]

this is not equivalent to "the game only starts after x" though

[livid slate]

Considering quest cape reqs and that 92 is half of 99, finishing the quest cape is more like the end of the early game, tbh

[toxic vortex]

thats because it is

[tawdry carbon]

you do not have to do this at all

[toxic vortex]

don't listen to that

[tawdry carbon]

do not listen to it

[amber sleet]

most people will never have quest cape and they will play the game for thousands of hours and love it

[tawdry carbon]

if u wanna raid just pick path of least resistance for the raid u want reqs for and fuckin send it

[amber sleet]

has the game not started for them?

[spring cipher]

yea but u dont have to do that and even nowadays ironmen guides dont require u to do that anymore

[livid slate]

I'd argue the mid and end game haven't started for them, no

[spring cipher]

its not my issue they sit at the bank half the time not playing the game lol

[amber sleet]

that wasn't the argument being provided

[glacial ridge]

fastest way to fill up suffering? last time took my hours and after a few days im almost fully out

[amber sleet]

i would agree with that one though

[livid slate]

A good portion of OSRS players rarely leave early game, most never leave mid game

[glacial ridge]

making recoils gets long

[spring cipher]

mid game = quest cape
late game= raids/doom colo inferno
end game= collection logs pets, gm

[tawdry carbon]

thing is some ppl (myself included) go the route of knocking out requirements to do some pvm as soon as possible

i had done a good CMs and solo and tob before my quest cape.

[narrow epoch]

I unlocked the final relic... and have decision paralysis

[tawdry carbon]

incl. a few boss pets

[amber sleet]

i can literally show you a fully documented playthrough of a guy who has over a month of ingame time of actually actively playing the game and has done like less than half the quests

i think you actually just don't understand what you are saying

[tawdry carbon]

spooned at 2.3k kc in each case, but regardless.. some ppl dont go that route

[spring cipher]

you do realize that osrs is a long term MARATHON game right

[livid slate]

The thing that is nice about OSRS though, is that the progression isn't linear like other MMOs

[amber sleet]

yes

[spring cipher]

so that means

[livid slate]

So like you can be in the early game and do end game content

[spring cipher]

the checkpoints are also longer

[amber sleet]

yes

[tawdry carbon]

i agree
I just think gatekeeping pvming from something as arbitrarily dumbb as a quest cape is silly

[amber sleet]

but the time people have to spend on the game

[spring cipher]

so you agree with my point then

[amber sleet]

is relatively the same

no

because you're drawing a conclusion that's completely incongruent with what you just said

[narrow epoch]

I'm leaning towards the axe, but I'm not set up as a melee or thrown ranged weapon build.

[tawdry carbon]

im not saying youre gatekeeping.. just saying "yooure not endgame or doing raids/colo/inferno/boss pets until yuo get your quest cape" is an L take

[spring cipher]

just because you cant make it to the end of the finish line doesnt mean the end of the finish line is 30 meters instead of the full 2km or however far people have to run

[tawdry carbon]

and if its supposed to be fact its already wrong by my existence

[spring cipher]

💀

[amber sleet]

you didn't say the end of the finish line

[tawdry carbon]

i think your mistake is assuming its a straight line to begin with.

[amber sleet]

you said the start line for the game

[tawdry carbon]

theres like 3-4 different paths to the your metric here

[amber sleet]

was well past the actual finish line most people experience

[spring cipher]

when i count people as playing theres a criteria cause otherwise you could say im a wow player with 10 minutes in the game and logging off forever

[amber sleet]

which is actually delusional

[tawdry carbon]

this take is just wrong imo

[spring cipher]

or logging in once a year to say hi to someone and logging off

clearly you are clueless

[amber sleet]

there are people who play wow and never touch raids, almost never do dungeons beyond like super suboptimal pugs that take hours for a 15 minute dungeon, and have been playing the game for 20 years

[spring cipher]

and clueless about the topic so be quiet

[tawdry carbon]

some ppl play only 2 months out of the year but when they play, they play hard.

[amber sleet]

they spend all their time leveling

that is most of the wow playerbase

i consider them wow players

i think you'd be deluded not to

[tawdry carbon]

i played pre-wotlk and 99% of my time was spent in low level twink wsg

[amber sleet]

but they play the game very differently than i do

that doesn't mean their experiences don't matter and shouldn't have an input on the game, or that they "haven't started the game"

[tawdry carbon]

like i said

infamimi isnt the first person who tried to gatekeep me from raids by saying quest cape first

too bad i went and got gud at raiding and bossing anyway