leagues-general

[pliant temple]

bc at this point id rather not play because im not having fun with the leagues in general like i did with the last two

[simple marsh]

Then simply don’t I guess?

[pliant temple]

im not going to, i came in here to talk about the fact i didnt care for this years leagues

and it wasnt just because i made the wrong choices for myself

[simple marsh]

kinda was tho

[pliant temple]

no, because i just dont like the pact system

the wrong choices thing made it a bit worse, but i just dont like the skill tree

[old tapir]

this was so easy after doing 18 jads https://i.imgur.com/qoivyXV.png

i feel like a pro gamer

[simple marsh]

I haven’t done this yet

what actually even is it

[old tapir]

its 6 jads but a bunch of stuff spawns after each one you kill

[simple marsh]

like just a bunch of random inferno mobs?

[old tapir]

they're set ones, but yeah, inferno mobs

like 4 rangers spawn after you kill the second jad

[simple marsh]

That doesn’t sound like it would be much harder than the 6 anyway

[shrewd ermine]

[simple marsh]

pro gamer

[old tapir]

probably not with league power

[shrewd ermine]

[old tapir]

but if you're not water thorns you really have to work out the order you kill the jads in so the stuff that spawns isn't same ticking you

[shrewd ermine]

im a little confused how I got hit here though

[simple marsh]

so in other words I dont have to worry

[shrewd ermine]

sorry for firing questions, but I want to work on my thorns tree here. would I be better off starting from the +5 defense lv node or the 10% combat accuracy node

[old tapir]

i mean, in the unlikely event that all the rangers hit over 50 and you're thinking you need to mage pray for the next jad hit

then you might have to worry

but typically no

[narrow epoch]

So many abyssal whips... so few larran's keys...

[old tapir]

probably the accuracy

have to grab it anyway to get to the healing node if you want that

and judging by the zuk clip, more accuracy can't hurt you

[shrewd ermine]

true

also, as a magic user should I use the infernal cape for the 1+ magic attack bonus (and defense) or magic 99 cape for the +1 magic lv?

guessing infernal cape cause prayer bonus and more defense

[old tapir]

you don't have the middle mage node?

that gives +10

[shrewd ermine]

wym

[old tapir]

the one adjacent to the starting regen node

[amber sleet]

i assume they mean since boosts typically dont stack

[old tapir]

magic cape doesn't stack with that +10

[shrewd ermine]

ah rip

[old tapir]

and yeah infernal is better for defensive stats which thorns needs

[shrewd ermine]

okay cool

so many pacts locked behind slayer 😭

and dark bow needing 99 slayer

[short cave]

treating agility like its my homework

100 ardy laps every day

i will et to 99 in 5 dayhs

[narrow epoch]

Yeup. Such is life.

[cyan cobalt]

What should I do next, lads?

[shrewd ermine]

prayer pen if you need it

[narrow epoch]

Wind for prayer restore, and the accuracy bonuses

[cyan cobalt]

Thorns is handling prayer pretty well

[narrow epoch]

Even so

[old tapir]

wind node is very good

[shrewd ermine]

what r ur regions?

[cyan cobalt]

But I’m still getting killed by Thermy pretty fast

Kandarin and Desert so far

[simple marsh]

thermy is a skill check

[old tapir]

its nice to have prayer restore that's not reliant on enemies hitting you for 0

[cyan cobalt]

Echo thermy to be exact but yeah

[shrewd ermine]

so they'd be forced to cast air and water spells?

[cyan cobalt]

I can’t even beat leviathan lol

[old tapir]

no, that first wind node just cares about the spell costing air runes, which all elemental spells do

[simple marsh]

yeah. practice praying + movement without even trying to attack first

[rare hollow]

i have another questizon

[shrewd ermine]

ohhhh damn

wish I knew that

[cyan shale]

#this-or-that message

[rare hollow]

does green logging a boss have a task

[simple marsh]

ca’s yes, clogs, no

[rare hollow]

i only need the staff from doom to green log it

[cyan cobalt]

I thought echo amox was hard enough lmao

[rare hollow]

dangit lol

[shrewd ermine]

ive been using this for prayer restore

has done me well

[rare hollow]

its lovely in inferno

[old tapir]

and because surge spells cost 7 and the % is additive, you have a 105% chance to restore a point, eg, guaranteed

kinda clever

[narrow epoch]

In some places it's even necessary, since you'll get hit so hard through prayers that you're more trying not to get hit at all

[rare hollow]

for sustain

[simple marsh]

Do a few echo therm where you’re just practicing movement and prayers

then, when you get to the enrage, tank the middle orb

[rare hollow]

echo cg no pacts

thats real gaming

[cyan cobalt]

But keep the movement up right?

[simple marsh]

Yes

The pattern for enrage should be

Prayer+circle, just circle, prayer+circle

[cyan cobalt]

Got it

To avoid switching

[simple marsh]

Ye

[pure karma]

anyone know how much rc exp afking nagaus is for an hour?

[simple marsh]

You’ll take ~25-30 damage for the half tanked hits.

But water sustain should be fine to hold that off

[cyan cobalt]

Got it. But should I prioritize prayer pen or regenerate for the future?

[amber sleet]

not much

[potent quail]

its bad, literally any rc option should be better

[amber sleet]

it's like 70k with 16x if u are a build that can kill them very very efficiently

[simple marsh]

how much regen and penetration are you at

[pure karma]

ill avoid that then

i dont have 85 hrs to afk

[cyan cobalt]

80% regen
25% pen

[simple marsh]

prayer pen for sure

[cyan cobalt]

Alright thanks!

[simple marsh]

If you can find one or two more pacts for prayer pen, then practice movement and prayers for a few kills you’ll have it in no time king

[cyan cobalt]

I am debating just going back to moons to get full blue moon gear

[blissful thicket]

Im doing a master clue step to get to the Obelisk of Air how do i get to it without getting into edgeville dungeon?

[cyan cobalt]

Still currently in all mystics

[simple marsh]

Regions?

[cyan cobalt]

Kandarin and Desert

[simple marsh]

committed to a third yet or nah

[cyan cobalt]

Got any suggestions?

[simple marsh]

Tira or Mory if you’re sticking to mage

[pure karma]

isnt tir super strong with crystal armor?

[simple marsh]

Yes

but lithic is a lot of fun too

[tawdry carbon]

yea with blindbag it slaps

lithic is super fun too

if i had t ochoose between xtal armor and lithic id pick lithic

[simple marsh]

plus Mory has the best thorns armors

it’s a tit for tat

[old tapir]

does it actually though

[simple marsh]

Is justi not the best thorns armor?

[cyan cobalt]

I went desert because my clan mate offered to take me through Toa

[old tapir]

indeed, but i'm thinking i'm already hitting 1700 total with oath and its a long way to 1800

[cyan cobalt]

He quit leagues by the time I unlocked desert

[old tapir]

and wouldn't make much of a difference relatively speaking so you actually really want to get to 1900 instead

[lament crater]

whats a good final area? Im a mage with Kourend and Kandarin

[simple marsh]

I would definitely say Mory has the most accessible thorns armor

[cyan cobalt]

Which set is that?

[simple marsh]

w/ barrows

[old tapir]

this is true

[simple marsh]

Easy starter

[potent quail]

could take T for Elves for smithing and crafting and crystal blessing for pstaff

[lament crater]

i got butlers bell for smithing and 99 crafitng already 🙁

[simple marsh]

yeah but what about 50m

[lament crater]

and whats p staff?

[proper wave]

how are you guys getting the thermy CA of only killing it with specs?

[potent quail]

powered staff

[lament crater]

o

[cyan cobalt]

This is gonna be a weird hold up but I have yet to even see prif in the main game. Kinda avoiding it for that

[old tapir]

okay so, justi gets to 1844 total bonuses with this being the rest of your gear https://i.imgur.com/USaLu0H.png

[potent quail]

but yeha besides that not much in T:
Thats my whole list
T
• 200 mil thiving with Larcenist
• 50 mil smith and crafting with Larcenist
• Also gp solve with larc
• Crystal blessing +5 prayair bonus, gives you a bis melee set, ranged set, and powered staff set
Potential fastest task list

[simple marsh]

Totally depends on your spoiler tolerance then

[old tapir]

thorns would be doing 21+10, which doesn't feel like its worth picking an entire region for when oath is doing 20+10

[potent quail]

thats fair, questline and reveal is amazing lol

[amber sleet]

you have a few options:
use a spec that hits really hard and can kill it all in one go (chally)
or
use a spec that isn't as good and then use some kind of spec restore to kill it with more specs
or
use whatever spec you want and then sit there inside the room waiting for spec to come back

[old tapir]

maybe if it got to 22+11 but it doesnt

[simple marsh]

yeh, but if echo thermy is a struggle than full oath is a long way off

justi too I guess tho

[cyan cobalt]

I have gotten echo thermy to like 70 hp at least

[simple marsh]

If you can get him to 70 you can kill him

[proper wave]

thanks

[simple marsh]

no doubt

[shrewd ermine]

I heard after completing sins of the father I can claim the previous reward. Where is that again?

[simple marsh]

Ivan strom iirc

[old tapir]

i was doing echo thermy from the edge of the arena with a 14 point build iirc

[amber sleet]

just whatever you do make sure you stay inside the room, because since it's an instance in leagues leaving will delete that instance and as a result reset thermy

[lone bloom]

does prayer pen work on echo hunllef

[shrewd ermine]

yes!

[amber sleet]

yes

[simple marsh]

ye

[proper wave]

Yeah I just tried that and realized, which is why i asked lol.

[old tapir]

it was right after the buff that made obsidian cape give a point

[tawdry carbon]

what is better single target? air magic or fire magic?

[simple marsh]

air for dps, fire for big number

[tawdry carbon]

whats a good one to mix with water?

air since the good def gear also has pray?

[simple marsh]

you got it

but I think bis dps air gear is pure prayer

[potent quail]

Isnt sunfire used?

[simple marsh]

Ye

[rigid knot]

ANyone able to help me become fight pits champion for a sec?

[old tapir]

of course

what world

[rigid knot]

628 atm

[simple marsh]

It’s probably something like full sunfire, bonecrusher, holy feet etc

region dependent ofc

[potent quail]

Well sunfire is varlamore

I think echo boots is also used so thats the feet slot

[simple marsh]

I’d have to calc it but wraps might compete

[amber sleet]

fortis is also the prayer set

almost everything comes from varlamore for air mage iirc

then u need echo thermy staff+offhand

[scenic garden]

where can I repair my gear?

[amber sleet]

the blacksmith in fortis

or your house

[simple marsh]

Full sunfire, confliction

I think the clue scroll prayer necks are actually better than an occult

[amber sleet]

damb i got the procs

[rare hollow]

gahdamn

[simple marsh]

sheeeeesh

[rare hollow]

spazzbag

[lone bloom]

lmfao echo hunllef beaten first try and crystal blessing 1 kc

im done all echo bosses

[simple marsh]

get back in there for the bowfa

[lone bloom]

already got saeldor

gonna need more armour seeds tho

[languid belfry]

"The BiS shield slot for Water Mage Thorns requires a 1/2000 Metal Dragons grind"

....

[simple marsh]

I went 6x dry for a regular weapon seed after finishing echo hun in like 30kc lmfao

[past birch]

Would anyone like some group content

ToA/Cox/Yama/nex (leagues)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431834766325841920/1427743613768437770/vibing.gif?width=1317&height=587

[tawdry carbon]

down2tob

dont have cox/toa

[old tapir]

he was forced to attack a water thorns main https://i.imgur.com/5alH82W.png

[simple marsh]

There is nothing more satisfying than a missed prayer being reflected for big damage

[past birch]

No I don't have it

[cursive glacier]

I dont think you want full sunfire, the accuracy hit is noticable particularly from the body. You want better prayer gear in other slots so you can put on less punishing armour like the clue scrolls vestments

[rare hollow]

just increase accuracy pacts

[grand fable]

i know the joke has been around but why can i craft a whole ass godsword at 80 but rune items are above that? lmapo

[simple marsh]

totally unrelated but your server tag being cte is so fucking funny to me

[rare hollow]

cuz its called runescape duhhhhh

[grand fable]

haha no

[rare hollow]

haha yes

[past birch]

What are the chances we get a new reset next patch

?

[rare hollow]

little

[cursive glacier]

Why is that?

[simple marsh]

Echo Yama at the halfway point

[rare hollow]

they already abandoned leagues

you're more likely to see 3rd age in maingame

[past birch]

You think so?

[simple marsh]

cte is the brain damage diagnosis that professional athletes get

[scenic garden]

because skill reqs are grossly outdated

[rare hollow]

they legit outlined all the bugs they said they wont fix

[cursive glacier]

Ah well what can i say, i play this game after all

[grand fable]

im 1 shard away from crafting armadyl

[old tapir]

but they can't really fix them without going the whole rs3 M&S path and adding 4 new tiers of stuff, lest there be no smithing unlocks past 59

[past birch]

Damn that sucks

[rare hollow]

yeah

which keeps mage builds further up in the bracket

[grand fable]

dang thats kinda sad

[gritty ice]

I felt immense pleasure and sighed with relief knowing I got to Rune and then uninstalled. I actually can't be bothered anymoreee 7x dry 🤣

[simple marsh]

hot take; give us the orichalchum or whatever dragon ore is and I’m ok with it

[rare hollow]

melee has to come in at full power (scythes/elder/nox) to just barely keep up

[past birch]

But hey maybe they're lazy and just decide to give a reset instead of fixing their stuff

There's hope

[rare hollow]

reset wont help for shit

you've lost on the best regions

if you didnt take em

literally kandarin is number 1 pick this leagues

simply because of magic

and fremmenik? a pathetic 0.5%

[gritty ice]

If you picked Fremnick congrats you wasted 50 hours of your life 100%

[rare hollow]

neutered

[simple marsh]

how do we feel about a kand/asg/Mory dogger light thorns build? 🤔

[past birch]

The helmet could've slightly higher stats and it'd be fine

[scenic garden]

that would be a good thing tho. there are huge gaps in progression.

[simple marsh]

there’s almost literally nothing with going for in frem

Which, tbf, is literally just an inverse of the last time

[rare hollow]

right

[simple marsh]

When kandarin was hot garbage

[rare hollow]

it doesnt mean u do inverse lol

when u see vast disparities you have to balance it not tip the scale entirely

[past birch]

It'd probably be good but the thing is that melee in general doesn't have that good dps, and some tasks will be super hard for you, jad challenges for example

[rare hollow]

its my first leagues what do i genuinely care about the prev leagues

[old tapir]

rune to dragon does feel like a big gap so maybe you put something in there that's like t50

[rare hollow]

if he has mory he can use lithic sceptre and be fine at inferno/jad challenges

[past birch]

What I've noticed tho is that with light thorns you have spare points to go for another attack style, could be crossbows for example since you got zcb

[rare hollow]

idk about the infinite one tho

[simple marsh]

that’s fine, It’ll be on my alt so I can do the tzhaar stuff before respec to dogger build

[scenic garden]

they could easily give us amethyst tools, the resource is already there. tho I guess that might clash with crystal tools (and could confuse newer players)

[simple marsh]

I’ve only got one respec left on my ironmain so that’s gonna be used to clean up messy pacts

[past birch]

That sounds good

[scenic garden]

currently the only use for amethyst is range ammo, seems like they could do more with it

[covert night]

multiplier doesnt work for ecto token?

wtf

[strange jacinth]

can you use a bond without bank pin

[lone bloom]

do chinchompas not regenerate if ur over 100% regen? been throwing 1 chin for ages

[austere mirage]

hardest clue scroll i've had to do.......

||Talk to a person and answer 4, 4 times||

was it worth it?

[cyan cobalt]

No lol

[austere mirage]

its my best in slot so far

[scenic garden]

looks like someone else just made a zenyte

[lone bloom]

why dont chinchompas regenerate

[austere mirage]

If you try to steal it?

[scenic garden]

steal what?

[cyan cove]

would getting a thermy task with culling spree boost damage to it with the slayer helm perk?

[scenic garden]

yes

[lone bloom]

yes since u get slayer xp

[scenic garden]

that's what culling spree does

it gives you helmet buff on task while not having to wear it

[cyan cove]

smh out here not on task fighting him missing a damage boost

[strange jacinth]

anyone got a watermage build for WDA that can 100% afk corp

[covert wolf]

finally no more mixology

[lone bloom]

u need chugging barrel still

[cloud panther]

man

[covert wolf]

already got em

[amber sleet]

alchemist's equipment piece?

potion storage?

[lone bloom]

nope

[austere mirage]

Hehe i am liking the clue scroll perk

[cloud panther]

idk what I wanna do now

[cyan cobalt]

Live

[cloud panther]

I killed the special jad challenge

[austere mirage]

now when i get the thief perk and i get unlimited clue scrolls......... that will be fun

[lone bloom]

im at 51k points rn and all the remaining tasks are the slow grindy ones... gotta hunt 500 black chins in the wildy ahhhhh

[amber sleet]

this one was with popping flask

[covert wolf]

guess it's time to do some agility

just... some...

[lone bloom]

i almost got pked at wildy agil course trying to get the 50 tickets task

and i was at 45

never been so scared

[slim crag]

Just give me the damn gauntlets already reeeeeeeeee

[simple marsh]

pking in leagues is an absolute chud move and no one can convince me otherwise

[past birch]

Was it someone named compy by any chance

[slim crag]

"b-b-but I'm just trying to have fun in the Wilderness you shouldn't have picked that region if you didn't want to--"

[remote cove]

based on the wiki, hydra's claw is non-boosted? D:

[covert wolf]

how much termites do i get if i see one?

[lone bloom]

i got like 150 on my first one

[covert wolf]

whoope

nevermind

240

[lone bloom]

so they are oosted

boosted*

[proper wave]

what defense rating do you need for 20/10 thorns?

[chilly bane]

I've gone form level 75 to level 90 trying to steal a freaking worm from a gnome

[remote cove]

ok, this killing continues then

[chilly bane]

i did not anticipate this is how id get 99 theiving

[lone bloom]

super tanky gear, barrows

[simple marsh]

??

[chilly bane]

trying to complete 1 task lol

[simple marsh]

Dhl drops as a full item

[amber sleet]

claw drops as the full lance

[chilly bane]

ive already got 2 inventories of fire orbs before 1 worm

[proper wave]

i have guthans, suffering, crystal shield, i'm not at 20/10

[lone bloom]

get a dfs

[proper wave]

i really dont wanna farm for a visage

[remote cove]

well fk me, I was just ctrl+f looking for claw

whoops

[simple marsh]

then go for justi

[lone bloom]

i get 11/4 with full obby and malediction ward

my regions have no tank gear

[proper wave]

i'm at 19/9 lol

[past birch]

Every region has full 3rd age

[simple marsh]

justi and a dfs

[round mirage]

you can get d helm from mith drag as a drop?

afk grinding mith drags and just got one

[lone bloom]

the full helm?\

[wary egret]

best way to get medium clues without larcenist or clue relic?

[round mirage]

yeah

[lone bloom]

if so, big grats

super rare

[round mirage]

did not know that was possible

[lone bloom]

like 1/32k in main game

[round mirage]

wtf

1/6.4k in league then wow

[simple marsh]

maybe eclectics ifyou have woodsman

[amber sleet]

you also get a chance for each chewed bones which are much more common

[round mirage]

right thats what im grinding for

thought that was teh only way to get it

[covert night]

are tehy going to add multiplier for ecto tokens?

[past forge]

can i get dust devils from steve?

wiki says nieve and duradel but i cant find nieve lmfao

[wary egret]

dont have woodsman either lol. probably just better off using echo boots instead of devout for air mage

[mighty zodiac]

170 earth naguas and still no drop ;-;

[simple marsh]

yeah, I’d make it a background grind rather than an active one

[spring cipher]

and the visage grind begins

1100 more kc before i hit rate

[simple marsh]

“Begins”

1k in

[spring cipher]

well normally its 1/10k but with 5x its 1/2k

[simple marsh]

anyway you’re gonna get it on 1763

[spring cipher]

i think for any osrs player this is pretty resonable

[round mirage]

hmm whats a good afk spot for it

[spring cipher]

this is the spot where im at

[round mirage]

yeah i noticed. but i dont have that area

[languid belfry]

On one hand, I should be thankful for a lack of dupes. On another hand... https://i.gyazo.com/2a5ee60927c27a00cc2b24a07b566f0a.png

[simple marsh]

Mith dragons is an option

[spring cipher]

prob just the karmaja area then ig

[languid belfry]

I feel like someone at Jagex is laughing at me.

[simple marsh]

with kand

[spring cipher]

doesnt mith dragons hit really hard

[languid belfry]

"Isolate and pick a brother you're close to finishing to beeline that piece"

"You mean all of them?"

[spring cipher]

thats why they're cancer to farm main game

[round mirage]

its slower than like iron or steel

[simple marsh]

does anything really hit a water thorns hard?

[languid belfry]

Mith dragons are afk for water and thorns. Just remember your anti dragon shield

so you don't randomly get spiked to death with 50s

[spring cipher]

you do get chances for chewed bones for a chance at a dragon full helm i guess

so i guess thats a thing

two birds one stone odds i suppose

[round mirage]

yeah but i just got the d helm lol

i wanna switch now

[spring cipher]

oh

is ee

then yea

[languid belfry]

The alternative is, even if unboosted, you can kill Gorvaks via Fairy Ring for a 1/254 at the Dragon Square Shield

[spring cipher]

i think steel/iron dragons on karamja is fine

[round mirage]

iron drags in brimhaven not rly aggro

it feels weird

[languid belfry]

it's not a great rate, but it's better than 1/2000

lol

[spring cipher]

we're looking to make dfs

not square shield

[languid belfry]

I'm aware.

I'm saying that's an alternate shield

if you don't want to suffer through the 1/2000 grind lmao

[spring cipher]

yea but dfs is tankier

and 1/2000 isnt that long

[languid belfry]

yeah

[spring cipher]

when ur this strong in leagues

[languid belfry]

True.

[simple marsh]

It’s also a 1/6k to just get the drop lmao

[spring cipher]

tbh im predicting 2x dry so im prob there for 5000 kc

[languid belfry]

It's not demonic gorillas that basically forcibly speed bump you.

[spring cipher]

maybe 2.5x dry

thats fine with me cause im gonna go for 50m prayer and 50m rc

[languid belfry]

I.E those ones suck because uh. "Fuck you get randomly stopped because of my mechanics, repeatedly."

[spring cipher]

works for me

[simple marsh]

I’m still calling 1763

[spring cipher]

well thank you for believing in me

lol

it would be nice to get it earlier

[simple marsh]

may rngesus bless you

[spring cipher]

but i maxed in main game i think i have patience for it

i went 2.5x dry for a tbow

main game

which would make that roughly 2.5k raids

[languid belfry]

gl there

[spring cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-twitch-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-gif-15932415906993918120

[simple marsh]

you are a stronger woman than I

[spring cipher]

we are scapers

we can handle a grind!

[languid belfry]

I think since I have ToA I'm just going to settle for the elysian spirit shield + dragon square shield swap even if less tanky.

[spring cipher]

glgl

[spring cipher]

[languid belfry]

Yeah well, I'm a FFXIV Leagues tourist. That grind ain't for me.

[spring cipher]

u should really give it a shot , progress doesnt really reset here

[languid belfry]

I say, despite being willing to slam my head against a fight for 20-24 hours a week

[spring cipher]

when new updates come out

[simple marsh]

I am an adolescent iron maingame

[spring cipher]

i think u will enjoy it

[languid belfry]

I mean, that's why I play it between patches.

[spring cipher]

its more of a marathon than a sprint compared to most mmos

[languid belfry]

Problem is they're dropping Kefka ultimate next month.

[spring cipher]

and thats fine

[languid belfry]

Which is gear capped/locked.

So no progression there outside of getting better at the fight.

[spring cipher]

you could afk skill while you're playing another mmo like ff14 and then make progress on ur second monitor

thats kinda the good part about osrs

[languid belfry]

Yeah uh

[simple marsh]

best part of the game. any progress you make will still count even if you take a multi year break

[languid belfry]

I have 80-90 on all melee stats in main game despite not really playing or doing any quests

[spring cipher]

thats exactly what i mean

[languid belfry]

thanks to our lord and savior gemstone crab

"There's a game outside of crab?"

[spring cipher]

u can fish mine and woodcut as well

and then when ur free to play the game

and not distracted

u can quest and make progress

so nothing really is lost

[languid belfry]

I'm aware. But runelite memory leaks like crazy sometimes.

And I can't risk a frame drop in some raiding.

[spring cipher]

download osrs on a small cheaper laptop

[simple marsh]

I also make sure to use the leagues to practice content I’m working on in main game w training wheels

[spring cipher]

[languid belfry]

I'm fine with leaving it on overnight stuff though

[weary shadow]

Phones can be better for AFKing btw, you get up to 30 minutes

[languid belfry]

Oh I play Leagues mostly just because I really do love some of the late game content

like TOA

[spring cipher]

ah

actually i have news for you

[languid belfry]

I enjoy challenging content more than

grinds tbh

[simple marsh]

don’t

[spring cipher]

toa is considered mid game by alot of late game players

[languid belfry]

Great.

[balmy verge]

What npc do you guys think is best to complete the 66 damage with an elemental spell task? I have Priff/Kandarin/Morytania

[languid belfry]

[spring cipher]

its just easier to get into

[languid belfry]

I mean it feels that way.

ToA also feels better designed

[amber sleet]

i mean low invo toa is basically midgame though

[languid belfry]

Than say, CoX.

[amber sleet]

at least i learned 300 toa before i did CG

and faster

[languid belfry]

(I played CoX pre QoL updates for my first leagues)

[sleek quail]

Is there a particular server folks are using for guardians of the rift in leagues?

[simple marsh]

anything with a 100% weakness

[spring cipher]

cox was the first raid yet people whos learned all 3 prefers it like cox/tob>toa

[languid belfry]

I absolutely hate CoX, not even from a difficulty standpoint

But just design.

[spring cipher]

cox is just showing its age

but if u learn it

[languid belfry]

ToB I think is pretty neat tbh

[spring cipher]

its really fun

[languid belfry]

and is a happy mix.

[balmy verge]

I'm not too familiar with monster weakness necessarily. Is there an easy way to filter npc's on the wiki for this?

[languid belfry]

I learned it enough, and my conclusion was while it's kind of "neat"

[simple marsh]

Yeah, just search ‘elemental weakness’

[spring cipher]

like learning how to set the head, skip, and skip mechanics to speed up the raid

is kinda part of the experience

C;

[languid belfry]

I don't care much for mechanics that feel more like exploiting the game engine (Olm 4-1 feels a lot like this), rather than an intentional boss mechanic?

[spring cipher]

theres alot of tech you end up learning that makes it really hands on

[remote cove]

my problem with cox is not everyone gets purple D:

[languid belfry]

Or stuff like...I dunno, guardians point farming.

also yeah CoX rewards

I sent like 150 or something during my first leagues (what's the one before Raging Echoes)

[remote cove]

its like what? 5 people only?

[spring cipher]

emergence gameplay is the best tbh , when players find a way to solve something not intended by the devs is a really cool thing

[languid belfry]

to try and get ancestral robes

[spring cipher]

alot of other mmos dont do that

[languid belfry]

I got one piece.

Fuck that.

[simple marsh]

I didn’t realize how much I knew the ‘language’ or OSRS until I watched new people try and play

even if I don’t consider myself very good

stuff like 2 tile running

[languid belfry]

Emergent gameplay is cool, and should be applauded when it does appear.

But I don't feel like that should be the only option tbh.

[spring cipher]

yea but toa feels so restricted that emergent gameplay didnt happen

alot of late game players hated toa for this

tob is still getting new tech 7 years+ after its release

same withcox

[languid belfry]

ToA felt like a much cleaner design, but it is pretty bog standard.

[spring cipher]

but toa was solved after 2 years

[languid belfry]

I.E there's not a lot of tech for it, I get that.

[spring cipher]

both cox and tob constantly people find new innovations

to go even faster

[languid belfry]

Which is great, but from a non RS main's PoV that feels closer to speedrunner territory than what should be for the general population

[simple marsh]

The firecape speed racing competition is a greaatttt example of emergent gameplay too imo

[languid belfry]

It's fascinating content to watch

But for most people participating in it is uh....

[spring cipher]

i think the reason why people dislike toa (not the majority just the experienced players)
is that it feels too suffocating and doesnt let people innovate strategies

[languid belfry]

ToA is a very calculated dance I feel.

[spring cipher]

and thats inda the issue

[languid belfry]

Which is closer to say, FFXIV, and maybe slightly WoW design.

[spring cipher]

kind of the issue

its like

"yes this goes into the square hole"

and sometimes people are like

"serious how creative"

[languid belfry]

As a FFXIV main, I enjoy it because that's what most of our endgame fights are like. A very punishing and brutal dance at the high end.

[simple marsh]

solved, like you said, to put it succinctly

[languid belfry]

But I can see where OSRS mains who somehow have managed to find stuff like tick eating to do Colosseum prayerless, etc

Don't find it nearly as appealing

[amber sleet]

wow is sort of calculated but mechanics tend to have a lot of rng involved and can overlap at times depending on how you perform them

[spring cipher]

right but we're not talking about that level
we're talking about like small improvements even casual players can do

[amber sleet]

i would say compared to ff14 and osrs there is much less staticness to wow's mechanics

[coarse imp]

Looking for some people to do some quick pest control games on all difficulties for tasks, starting on novice. world 714

[spring cipher]

i think osrs player just like some creativity on the higher end thats all

[languid belfry]

I think one WoW player who did the most recent savage tier put it the best. FF14's mechanics have less randomness, but the individual pressure on each player is way higher.

[spring cipher]

it gives u the feeling

"making progerss"

like "wow the tech i learned just now is making the run feel smoother like a dance"

[languid belfry]

There are mechanics where you have 1/8 potential roles to fulfill or execute

[amber sleet]

probably true, but that kind of needs to be that way by virtue of the smaller group scale of ff14 raids

i think OSRS has higher individual mechanical requirement than mythic raids in wow in most cases

[languid belfry]

And you end up having to memorize all 8. If anyone fucks up, it's done.

[amber sleet]

but it's harder to clear mythic because you need a lot of people to not mess up once

[languid belfry]

Yes. Though recently FF14 did try to make a 36 man content like that and uh.

It did not go over well

[spring cipher]

raid sizes in osrs ranges from like 1-8 on average
with tob being the exception of 3-5

[languid belfry]

trying to organize 36 people much less make them do FFXIV's usual dances

even easier?

Holy shit.

[amber sleet]

yeah

that's my point

[languid belfry]

yeah

[spring cipher]

the good thing with osrs group content is that

you can get a smaller group of friends

and just go for it

and also raids arent hours long

[amber sleet]

also

[languid belfry]

I mean I've soloed most of my OSRS content tbh

[spring cipher]

its like 15-25minutes

[amber sleet]

i could be biased because i am much less familiar with osrs's controls than i am with 3rd person wasd control scheme

so mechanics for me in games like ff14 and wow are easy to deal with

[livid slate]

The skill ceiling of OSRS is so much higher than any other MMO on the market

For WoW/FF14 you can only parse to a maximum output

You literally can't get better

[simple marsh]

that’s just a bias and habit thing

[amber sleet]

to me it feels like i'm playing with a layer of fog over my keyboard inputs when i play osrs

[languid belfry]

The individual skill ceiling is higher.

[simple marsh]

like how I can’t play a shooter on a controller

[languid belfry]

By far.

[eternal heron]

30 dry at barrows lmao. What am I missing besides rng? I haven’t done this shit in 10 years. Is the meta just kill all the brothers?

[spring cipher]

osrs controls are very unique and non transferable like if i hop to ff14 or wow i would be completely out of the loop

[weary shadow]

If they had hotkeys, I don't think that would be the case, but there is a lot more things to learn for sure.

[coarse imp]

starting on novice

[languid belfry]

but I also argue OSRS is closer to a rhythm game in its endgame than a traditional MMO

prayer flicking on rhythm is not a usual skill MMO players are required to know

[weary shadow]

Menu switching and lack of hotkeys is a relic for days gone by, and should be updated for sanity reasons.

[languid belfry]

I.E exact and precise inputs at 0.6 seconds.

[amber sleet]

i would say most likely i learn things much faster in osrs than the average pvmer, but not by much

[spring cipher]

thats because it is

[regal sedge]

No wonder I suck at combat in this game, I have no rhythm 😭

[languid belfry]

Yup. Join the club.

[spring cipher]

osrs at the end of the day is a rhytem game

[amber sleet]

with 3rd person style mmos with wasd movement that i've played, im almost always within the top 1% or even higher

[languid belfry]

I could never go past like, medium or hard difficulty in DDR or Stepmania

[amber sleet]

so definitely osrs feels more esoteric

[simple marsh]

Man, idk how y’all have the time to play more than one mmo anyway lmfaoo

[languid belfry]

so OSRS combat at higher end is: "Oh god fuck. This is why I don't play rhythm games"

[spring cipher]

i like that osrs is pretty unique

[amber sleet]

you don't do more than 1 at a time

i haven't played wow in like 2 years

[languid belfry]

That's the beauty of it. You don't, but as someone else put it, OSRS is always there on the second monitor. Or when a Leagues pops up."

And you pick one main game at a time.

FFXIV is my main game whenever there's a raid season or ultimate

[spring cipher]

i like playing main osrs as well

im really excited for the new raid

[languid belfry]

but in downtime patches I'll just experiment aroiund

[spring cipher]

coming this winter

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/The_Fractured_Archive

im excited

[simple marsh]

I’m too casual to play multiple mmos I guess

[spring cipher]

nah

people have to main mmos

[languid belfry]

Which storyline is that following?

[spring cipher]

mmos take way too much time

[simple marsh]

2050 total iron but I made it right after Twisted leagues

[spring cipher]

u can realistically only main 1

[simple marsh]

So that’s what

7 years?

[languid belfry]

@One thing I always DID like about RS is that it has some really neat stories (this is probably RS3's main selling point)

but OSRS's alternate timeline takes are

[spring cipher]

guthix

[languid belfry]

pretty neat too

[amber sleet]

unless i'm at the point where i'm deep into a phase and just raidlogging i am definitely not playing more mmos at once when i'm invested in one

[spring cipher]

its a guthix themed raid

[languid belfry]

.....Huh.

Are we actually diving into the Gods storylines in OSRS?

[simple marsh]

RS questing is completely unparalleled

[languid belfry]

*Just don't make us do it in a leagues or without quest helper

I.E RS Leagues

[amber sleet]

semi agree

[languid belfry]

*RS3

[spring cipher]

we're never getting the gods back

different story route

[languid belfry]

Good.

[simple marsh]

I always do my first run of a quest without a guide anyway

[languid belfry]

Because honestly as cool as the death of guthix/the World Wakes was

[spring cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEMV1g5ZBjs

[amber sleet]

i like osrs quests a lot design wise, but i think for story games like swtor have probably the best questing/story experience of any mmo

[languid belfry]

it felt like they kept jumping the shark.

after a while

Also Silske was not a remotely well used villain

[amber sleet]

and i dont really even like star wars

[languid belfry]

"What was the point of everything you did?"

"For laughs."

[amber sleet]

and i usually hate leveling in mmos

[languid belfry]

"??????"

[amber sleet]

but i replayed 5 different characters just to level them in swtor

the storylines were that good

[simple marsh]

I stopped playing rs3 shortly after sliskes endgame

[languid belfry]

Like he kills Guthix, is on the cusp of godhood, fucks around with all the gods, but never actually takes the step to godhood

....

And then just kind of dies?

Like what was even the point of anything he did

[simple marsh]

idr how it ends

Or didn’t get there

what happened with mah and all that

[amber sleet]

i don't need like a boss on to convert a tzhaar task into a jad task right?

just hot stuff?

[spring cipher]

i think so

[simple marsh]

I don’t know

[spring cipher]

but u do need to beat zuk once to get zuk as a task?

[languid belfry]

Seren betrays everyone.

[simple marsh]

I don’t think I’ve ever had jad tasks without having like a boss

[languid belfry]

And is the final boss (until Zamorak tries to butt in at the end)

to basically sacrifice all of Glienor to the elder gods.

lol

because she's a good daughter or something

[amber sleet]

you don't get a jad task directly, you get a tzhaar task and they ask if u want to do jad/zuk instead

[simple marsh]

this is why we stan zaros

[languid belfry]

she does have a really good boss track though.

[amber sleet]

but idk if u need like a boss on for that or not

[cursive glacier]

Seren and zaros have serious mommy issues

[languid belfry]

Amen. In order we trust.

[cursive glacier]

In different ways

[amber sleet]

i want to game the system with culling spree to get higher chance of a tzhaar task by turning off like a boss

[languid belfry]

Nah Zaros was in the right.

"Are you serious"

[spring cipher]

all i know is that alot of other mmo players scoff at osrs for looking bad but somehow will ignore the "bad graphics" when they get hooked into the gameplay loop

lol

[simple marsh]

I’m lowk tempted to pick back up my rs3 iron with all the update going on there

I’ve just missed sooooooo much

[languid belfry]

Oh. RS3 does have one fantastic thing though.

It has some great boss tracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akK1NHxE43E

(And the RS3/OSRS teams referencing each other's tracks is also great)

[cursive glacier]

Nah zaros is also in the wrong, hes selfish and power hungry and hides that under his "order" and "for the greater good" sorta deal

[amber sleet]

ok

it does work

u can turn off like a boss and get jad

[languid belfry]

Zaros I wouldn't say is power hungry but more one track mind.

When he's focused on being the leader of an empire, he legit did well for the Majharaat/etc

but when he decided: "I must claim my birthrite" and basically ignored everything else

uhh

yeah

[slim glen]

any knows if theres any world doing pc?? w666 and dedicated world for pc are both empty

[amber sleet]

try the mass worlds

[cursive glacier]

I dont think he did actually, he was very hands off and it sorta worked out of luck.

[languid belfry]

Maybe. It's been a long while since I dug into the lore

[slim glen]

w741 pest control world is empty...

[cursive glacier]

You could argue that he was intentionally hands off cause that was what thr majharrat needed tho

[languid belfry]

The moral of the lesson of that entire arc though was

Guthix was right. The world must be free of the interference of the gods.

[cursive glacier]

Pretty much

[languid belfry]

Because everytime it happened uh, shit ends up poorly for everyone.

[slim glen]

Any down to help on pc W714

[cursive glacier]

My reading of zaros is he has trust and abandonment issues because of his upbringing

Seren also has that but she has issues abandoning other instead of getting abandoned

[cunning oar]

does anyone know why the dps calc max hit is very different from my in game max hit, is it a common thing or is there something I'm probably missing?

It's an air mage build, says max hit is 98 when in game its 81

[languid belfry]

I think like the most chill god was...Armadyl?

And if memory serves that's because he didn't even want to be a god.

[amber sleet]

there's only 100 people on that world

try a mass world

like 400 or 401

that have 2k people each

[cursive glacier]

A lot of the minor gods are chill

[languid belfry]

Do you have every prayer possible on? Does the enemy have innate magic resistance/reduction?

[languid belfry]

Armadyl was a tier 3 god though?

[slim glen]

just found people !!! ty guys

[languid belfry]

I.E same tier as Saradomin/Zamorak

[cursive glacier]

Yea

Out of the big bois arma most chill

[languid belfry]

Not quite sure that's really "minor"

[cursive glacier]

But we have ichtalrin who is also chill

Is what i mean

[languid belfry]

but also his people are almost completely extinct.

oh yeah Ichtalrin is chill

.....

Then you have Amascut

[cunning oar]

aye, I have the 7 prayers matching on both, and its on specific monsters, never heard of magic reduction before tho

[languid belfry]

Who manages to fuck up the world in two seperate runescape timelines

christ.

[cursive glacier]

Amascut has daddy issues

Starting to see a trend here

[languid belfry]

Some enemies have damage reduction vs certain types of damage.

Like just flat out.

[languid belfry]

Takes an adventurer to kick her ass to get her house in order in either timeline

[fluid fable]

Does he?

[cursive glacier]

Yep

[languid belfry]

The whoile necromancy storyline in RS3 including the Desert plot is Amascut's fault

lol

[fluid fable]

In os doesnt he just kinda like, try real hard and get rolled every time he does

[mossy cape]

I know the dual macs are better than infernal tecs on paper.

But is there something behind the scenes I'm not aware of?

It's outrageous how much better/more consistent the infernal tecs are feeling for moons (eclipse/blue) than the dual macs has felt.

[languid belfry]

she almost ended the afterlife.

in RS3.

And that was AFTER we banished the major gods

[cunning oar]

aye, I don't think this is the case since DPS calc allows you to choose specific monsters, which uses their innate elemental weakness to calc max damage. I'm leaning towrds the model on the dps calc being wrong then

Unless something in game is bugged and not applying elemental weakness the way it should

[languid belfry]

probably

[past forge]

welp

occult necklace on 6 KC

[cunning oar]

gratz, now finish the kc and get a million extra necklaces, then never use it once you're an air mage :P

[fluid fable]

Tbf thats also an almost

Amascut just kinda keeps losing

Every where it goes

[cursive glacier]

I mean so does zamorak

[languid belfry]

Zamorak got slapped by Saradomin, slapped against by Zaros for his betrayal

[fluid fable]

Idk rs3 lore, or os really tbf, but i know it a lil more

[languid belfry]

then at the end got punked by the Adventurer turned World Guardian

to literally be the reason all gods of his tier and above are banished from Glienor

he lost to a mortal

[cunning oar]

damn, too bad the earth defence regen pact doesn't stack with a super defence potion, could be like 25% chance to immune and reflect with thorns,

Just tested the water regen pact against a magic potion and it doesn't stack so I assume earth is the same

[languid belfry]

(Alright debatable but still)

like

god damn that's embarassing.

[cursive glacier]

Tbf it was a mortal with anti god powers but yes

[languid belfry]

His daughter on the other hand

[jovial tiger]

full reaper axe before virtus....

[languid belfry]

seems to be doing a better job kingdom building/empire building than he did

@Forcibly bringing all of the Wilderness and all the scattered Zamorak forces to kneel under one banner

and even subjugating some of the Majharrat

[cunning oar]

with that kc? thats lucky as shit lol

[fluid fable]

I dont like god having kids, kinda just defeats point of immortality in my mind

[jovial tiger]

yeah its lucky for axe but crazy for no virtus lol

[languid belfry]

It's monkey paw luck.

[fluid fable]

Gods shouldnt genders or parts

[languid belfry]

She's adopted

I think.

[late helm]

What’s the expected kc for nox hally? Is it 1/40 for any piece?

[long trail]

seren my goat

she's the best

[jovial tiger]

took me 280

[languid belfry]

She tried to offer the entire planet up to feed some eggs.

[cunning oar]

so basically 120 kills should be average backtoobasic

[languid belfry]

And the only reason we got around that was because we doomed some dinosaur people planet to extinction instead

[late helm]

What gear did you use? I’m getting like ~1:00 minute afk times with water thorns

[languid belfry]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Dry_calc

Check your suffering rates.

[late helm]

Mm ok that’s what I thought

[jovial tiger]

whip dfs barrows throrns

[cunning oar]

I get 25 second kills with full air mage, but it isn't afk, have to manually cast water every couple kills

[late helm]

That’s pretty good time

I didn’t spec into air tho

[languid belfry]

Oh thank god. I'm free. https://i.gyazo.com/ea5cefccc086d38bcd94203a3de64c4a.png

[late helm]

I got 40-50 seconds with lithen sceptre

[cunning oar]

I wasn't going to, but it was only 4 pact points to get it, and i use it quite a lot now

[spring cipher]

have u see any of the freaks (insane gamers of osrs) play?

[cunning oar]

I kill sht so fast, I skip most mechanics, then heal anything that does touch me

[spring cipher]

they are absurd

[jovial tiger]

i cant even comprehend awakened vard

[cunning oar]

like echo GGs, he doesn't get a single flame off before he's dead lol

[fluid fable]

I accidently thiught awajened vard

[languid belfry]

I normally watch them. Yes. Settled, Solo Mission, Port Khazard especially

yeah

[fluid fable]

Got himto like 3 quarters then he decided to stop joking around

[languid belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/91dd37b1649486bcc2aa03fee3bbd619.png

What pact should I go for at this point

I'm 36/40

[spring cipher]

have u seen noobtype?

[weary shadow]

Not Awakened lol

[spring cipher]

he didnt make the video but i think he streamed it

he did all yama contracts in one inventory

[cunning oar]

whats your spec? if your thorns/water maeg infernal cape is easy

[languid belfry]

Thorns Water Mage

I tried Phosani Nightmare yesterday but

I cannot kill phase 4

how the fuck do you kill enrage phase on water thorns mage

[cunning oar]

I one shot infernal for first time when I did that

[languid belfry]

[spring cipher]

u mean when the walkers walk into her and heal her?

[cunning oar]

It took me like 16 or 20 attempts on nightmare

[languid belfry]

I meant just damaging her.

[spring cipher]

just keep water surging her

[languid belfry]

Literalyl cannot do damage to her with water surge

[spring cipher]

i killed her with water mage

[jovial tiger]

this is my build...

[languid belfry]

with my accuracy.

[spring cipher]

oh just upgrade ur gear then

[languid belfry]

(this was before I had two accuracy nodes to be fair)

[cunning oar]

you're speccing too much into thorns

[spring cipher]

use mage gear ig

[cunning oar]

get mage gear

[spring cipher]

yea u cant use tank gear

and expect to hit

[languid belfry]

I had it on as a swap.

[cunning oar]

I think i did that shit in fking mystic gear (enchanted actually)

[languid belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/0c664a3bb961e98337b54a2eb3bf9471.png

Admittedly it's kind of shit.

[spring cipher]

i actually might just melee her

[cunning oar]

honestly, you don't get shit between mystic and virtus depending on your regions and barrows luck lol

[spring cipher]

if u want me to

[fluid fable]

Moons is ok

[spring cipher]

i can record a entire kill/gif for it

[languid belfry]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-12-122-133-134-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-44-46-53-56-59-60-68-7-71-74-8-81-84-93-96-97-99

I mean I know the fight now

[cunning oar]

avernic treads shouldn't be too bad for you either

[spring cipher]

ive just respeced into thorns today

[languid belfry]

just, I did it at 4 AM last night and it was just

[fluid fable]

Its like exactly in between myst and virt

[cunning oar]

once you get into the groove, you can literally do infinitely deep delves as water mage

[languid belfry]

"Is this even possible? I'm doing 0 damage."

Yeah.

I mean the other is ToA solos which I think I can do

[spring cipher]

would u like me to record a gif

[cunning oar]

and gauntlets give sooooo much accuracy

[languid belfry]

nah

I'm good.

I just wanted to know if I could actually hit her

[spring cipher]

melee her

[languid belfry]

or if she was just impossible to hit due to 900 magic defense.

[spring cipher]

you melee her main game

shes weak to crush

[languid belfry]

...What's the best crush weapon

1H crush weapon I can get

[spring cipher]

her mace or scythe on crush

[languid belfry]

If you say abyssal bludgeon I'm going to go do another pact

[cunning oar]

wait, you already did the jad league challenge?

[spring cipher]

u could use a cudgeal

[languid belfry]

Yeah.

I brute forced it

[spring cipher]

sarachnis cudgel works

[jovial tiger]

i used whip >.>

[cunning oar]

i tried that and got popped, but I don't have thorns anymore

[spring cipher]

that is a budget nightmare item main game

[languid belfry]

I'm Mory, Kandarin, Desert.

[spring cipher]

just whip her final phase then

now ur making me wonder if I can even kill her with thorns build

one sec

[languid belfry]

I guess I'll give it a shot later then

Go for it.

[spring cipher]

i wanna see cause i ran air mage 90% of the league

[languid belfry]

I used lithic sceptre for phase 1-3 as my main damage

[fluid fable]

Do u have to be on task to get whip?

[languid belfry]

no

[jovial tiger]

thorns dont kill towers... u need a decent wep that attacks fast

[covert night]

do black mystic bottoms count as mystic bottoms in clue scroll?

[fluid fable]

Does it help?

[languid belfry]

the problem is thorns does nothing in last phase

[cunning oar]

towers get ripped apart by water mage + basically full heal you

[languid belfry]

hence the: "Wait can I even do this?"

Yeah they do

I mean I was actually close to Awakened Leviathan

16.1%

was my closest.

[covert night]

????

[cunning oar]

yeah, honestly, drop the shield and use devils element for the last phase

[languid belfry]

🤔 You know what not a bad idea.

I'll try it after another accuracy node.

Inferno should be free at this point with my setup right

(Do I use tank gear or mage gear for inferno?)

[cunning oar]

people like to hype up water thorns build, but it doesn't function together at a lot of things, thorns only shines in certain places as a brute force

mage gear

the power is more behind the healing than the thorns damage

[languid belfry]

Water thorns can brute force 6 jads.

[queen maple]

I got to take like a month off skilling when I get back to the normal game I really went from 40 to 85 woodcutting in like two hours

[cunning oar]

bigger heals, bigger survive

[languid belfry]

but

you need to have multiple heal sources

to tick heal bad damage stacks

I.E I tried everything from tank armor to occult necklace swap

to lithjic

lithic + tank armor can get close, but you're literally riding the line on having your 1t heals line up with jads damage stacking you out

[livid slate]

I afk colo and inferno with tank gear tbh

some people do mage with more attention

But cba

[languid belfry]

I'll just bring both I guess. Pray mage right

[livid slate]

yep

Early waves, prob strongest

But mage for most

[languid belfry]

Oh right I need a second fire cape first

guess I'll go afk fight caves

[livid slate]

You shouldn't?

It's one fire cape to attempt forever

[cunning oar]

do you stand behind pillar at alll auemex, or just center room full tank the whole lot?

[languid belfry]

yeah but fire cape is my bis atm

LMAO

[cunning oar]

i think multiple fight caves are tasks anyways

[languid belfry]

Yeah.

[livid slate]

Center and full tank

[languid belfry]

I'll just afk this till jad

[livid slate]

Pillars makes it longer

[granite timber]

200 year task

[fluid fable]

Tank gears too hard to get 🙁

Im strugglijg with collo yall

[languid belfry]

you want tyo stay center and tank because of the proximity heal node anyway

[livid slate]

regions?

[fluid fable]

My best tank gear i know is only dragon full helm and some other stuff

[languid belfry]

Use Obsidian.

[fluid fable]

But the full helms so slow

[fluid fable]

Classic tank gear

[languid belfry]

It has no magic attack penalties and is roughly equivalent to rune

while doing enough thorns reflect to outpace most of colosseum

[fluid fable]

Im doing melee collo

[cunning oar]

ill trade u an extra justiciar helm for that dfh lol, killed like 400 miths just now and zero chewed

[languid belfry]

Oh. Yeah that's on you

good luck

[fluid fable]

Xd

Im not scrd, just a little bored of myith drags

[languid belfry]

Again what regions do you have

[fluid fable]

Kand, wild, desert

[languid belfry]

Obsidian or rune is the baseline.

Oh desert? Have you do echo KQs yet

[fluid fable]

Ye

[languid belfry]

just get a dragon chainshirt/etc

yeah

[fluid fable]

I have it

[languid belfry]

that works then

[fluid fable]

Working on plate legs from vard, dfh and suffering

[spring cipher]

works for me

[fluid fable]

I also got the drag med helm didnt realise how rare that shit was till yesterday

[languid belfry]

You maged it out?

Alright. I'll try again then.

[livid slate]

Only thorns and tanking?

[languid belfry]

If it's possible then I'll do it.

[fluid fable]

Kinda tempted to just let the 10 def slide

[spring cipher]

thorns but meleeing her and maging pillars

[languid belfry]

Oh you did melee her.

[spring cipher]

ye

[languid belfry]

hmm

[livid slate]

I saw people using d mace early

[languid belfry]

Uhhh. I'll consider it then. I kind of like sticking with my main build path

yeah I had that as a swap

but it was taking forever

[spring cipher]

pure air mage was way faster tho

[languid belfry]

I'll do everything water + thorns can do

[spring cipher]

i got 3:50 kc with air mage and 5 min with thorns

ew

[languid belfry]

then swap to something that suits that fight better tbh

yeah

The reason I picked Mory tbh was because I wanted to try melee this leagues

but then the uh, hallberd/blindbag build ended up being a meme

[spring cipher]

back to dragons i go

[languid belfry]

Didn't pick wildy or asgarnia so crossbow build isn't possible

[fluid fable]

Pick me up chewed bones pls

I need

[languid belfry]

so I guess I'll try air mage and multihit blindbag + maybe 1h thorns later

[spring cipher]

air mage do u have any prayer gear for it

like ardy cloak

[languid belfry]

Kandarin, yes.

[spring cipher]

or sunfire bottom

virtus top

etc

[languid belfry]

I have full sunfire

lol

[spring cipher]

ye u dont need the full set, only the legs are useful